We took a test drive last weekend. My wife and I have never sat in or driven a Tesla before that. Never experienced FSD until then either. I have no idea what version we were using, but it was amazing. I intervened twice, but in hindsight, the car was right both times and I was wrong. When we got home, we ordered one. Model Y, rear wheel drive. With FSD.
Congratulations! A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
Another Model 3 owner in the UK here. I purchased FSD with the car back in 2019 and still patiently waiting... hoping for early next year to get a chance to test it! Great to see how far it's come with 12.5, although I do think these no intervention videos might start getting boring! Keep up the good work. Btw, long term stock holder since early 2018 so I'm lucky enough not to be worried about the short term dip, and am continuing to buy!
@@bocajuniors55 Yes, but in Europe last week we got a new update that adds automatic traffic light traversal on green... so now we can drive through multiple traffic lights without having to confirm with the stalk, only having to hold the wheel every 15-20 seconds for the nag 😆 It's actually a big improvement, so I'm not complaining...
@@RioPerez1 Was kinda complicated, and i get why it was confused. We came up to a red light that had two left turn lanes, one go straight lane, and one turn right lane. I wanted to go straight, but tesla stopped in the 'right' left turn lane. I would have let it go, but another car came up besides us to go straight, so i disengaged, waited, then reengaged when it was safe to continue going straight.
The reason why i say i understand why it was confused, because if it had gone straight from where it was, it would have been on track, on the other side of the light, which had two lanes going straight. but the right lane there was for a different flow of traffic. so confusing for it, and im sure for other humans that were unfamiliar with that intersection
Just did my first drive on 12.5 did mostly perfect only time I disengaged was when it got on the highway then changed lane out of the slow lane. It changed into a blind spot of a big rig and just sat there.
When FSD final version works out, it will have big impacts on Tesla stock with crazy valuations. The shared property model will be the future. Your car parked out front may leave middle of night picking up an unknown person at airport and comes back two hours later. You don’t even know this event but it earns some taxi money for you.
_When FSD final version works out, it will have big impacts on Tesla stock_ The ways things are going over the last 6 months, FSD will never reach Level 5 Full Autonomy. Every time a new version of the software is released, it continues to makes mistakes every day on a challenging route. 100 percent human supervision is required.
you can try it out 99 bucks a month instead of paying the 8k to try it out. I would suggest that before buying the whole thing to see if you like it. Especially if you only are going to have the car for a few years before trading in, and upgrading.
4:10 Sadly no FSD here in Germany yet, but hey Elon said FSD maybe toward the end of the year in Europe, so maybe as a first release they might do a free month over here which would be awesome
No Tesla as yet. Just fascinated by this journey towards FSD. Thanks for sharing. I think you might be missing something about auto margins. Cybertruck is not yet positive but heading to it. Each one sold is a cost until its startup costs finished. It’s ramped up massively. If you take the Cybertruck ramp up out of their figures they actually lowered the cost of goods which INCREASED their margins.
Hello! I’m a Tesla FSD owner in souther California. Orange County to be exact. My FSD is pretty hard to test and I miss a lot of my connections to different freeways and off-ramps cuz it just waits too long to get over and ends up missing the ramp. So when I have the time and the power, I’ll let it do its thing. I have also been hearing the buzz around 12.5 but I don’t exactly is new or different. Great video!
Yep this looks like late deceleration is still an issue as it has been on every FSD build the past couple years. Glad that people claim this build is more smooth overall, really hoping the hard deceleration for most stops especially when driving faster than ~40mph gets fixed asap.
@@maxsteele1 Last night while testing a few scenarios, it worked out great. This morning though it was dark, it had a couple issues with Signaling . Was really weird. At a stop sigh going straight, and it signaled as if it was going left. and another signaling issue, when taking a highway exit, it signaled left, then signaled right then took the exit. Not sure what was going on there
Anyone here with FSD please put stats on the FSD community tracker. It is really helpful to see aggregate results as FSD gets better. As far as I know you can even make it report automatically.
I agree with you, Rio. Elon is currently dedicating the company's resources to achieving 100% Full Self-Driving (FSD), and I believe they will soon complete the technology to the level of driverless taxis.
Tesla owner from uk, no fsd at the moment. I've used basic autopilot in heavy rain and lorry spray on the uk and European motorways, and the system works well. In fact, I feel safer having autopilot do the hard work in those situations than me driving.
It looks like the car manufacturers in Europe will have to go bankrupt before FSD becomes legal here. Autopilot is legal but not FSD. The opposite of what is logical.
Initially, there will be limitations depending on the weather. On days with heavy rain or snow, FSD might not be allowed to operate. However, as FSD technology advances, it will likely be able to function even during significant rain or snow.
Agree 100%! A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
FSD has worked fine in rain for a while now. I think the last version that would not engage with rainy weather was released over a year ago (Early V11).
At least the autowipers finally seem to work. Slow down when waiting on a red light, accelerate when resuming to drive. On previous versions it was quite the opposite…
Once FSD will become "Unsupervised", it will be eventually classified as a SAE Level 4 of automation. Just as a reminder, beyond Level 3, the responsibility in case of an accident is given to the car/car company, and it won't be the driver's fault. But between a Level 4 (potentially FSD with vision only, at the CURRENT STATE OF TECHNOLOGY) and a Level 5, the difference is exactly the environmental conditions in which it operates, with Level 4 being limited in critical weather scenarios, but completely autonomous in the other cases. I think the gap between L4 and L5 will be filled by Tesla with HW5, but vehicles equipped with HW3 and HW4 are going to be reasonably able to perform Level 4 autonomous drives.
This clip th-cam.com/video/l87gU_pGP5U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3RtzSZcxm8V1pqmW is my first drive in the dark with FSD v12.5 (version number visible on the display) installed in my 2024 MYP. Here's an 8-ish minute drive in stormy weather th-cam.com/video/jCT8NVfyOQA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LAs7bk9AMZEfJeCm shortly after installing FSD v12.5 in my 2024 MYP yesterday -- Oh you will see lightning and flashing red light along the way; I think my MYP did reasonably well with v12.5 all things considered.
more turns/cars exiting/entering the road on the right lane. stay on the left lane until you need to enter the right lane for a turn or to enter a parking area.
And what extra sensor, what type would give more correct information? I don't think lidar works in the rain, because the light gets scattered. Radar can see through rain, but does it give enough data? Radar can't see details nor for example the colors of the stoplight. More cameras is probably best, with mini wipers.
I think that vision only is possible, but I would say that the best way for that to work is to have cameras with high frames per second. I'm not sure what their capability is now, but a high fps is important for those very rare split second decisions that can prevent a serious accident. But also, people need to realize that when the fully autonomous robotaxi does get on the roads, at least some accidents will happen. That is absolutely impossible to avoid, even if you had the most perfect system in the world. If someone darts in front of you in a small space while you're going 60 mph, the car just can't physically stop in time in certain cases. But some people honestly think that autonomous cars aren't acceptable unless they can achieve 0 accidents and that's ridiculous.
@@brock8752 Zero no, but as safe as possible please. I am almost completely paralyzed by a car crash. With 12.5 this crash would not have happened. A higher framerate, yes but when the camera doesn't see because of rain or snow or bugs.. that was the topic and I guess solutions are: more cameras and all cameras need to be able to clean themselves somehow. Also stereo cameras, why is that not used? 2 "eyes" see more than 1 and the depth information seems potential very useful to me.
@@brock8752 I asked ChatGPT4o, got this answer "The frame rate (fps) of the front camera of a Tesla Model 3 with Hardware 3 (HW3) is typically 36 frames per second (fps). This information is based on the capabilities of the Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) hardware provided by Tesla." and "The highest frame rate camera on a Tesla Model 3 with Hardware 3 (HW3) is the forward-facing main camera, which can record at 60 frames per second (fps). This high frame rate is utilized to capture detailed video data, which is crucial for the vehicle's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities." So 60 FPS.
@GiesbertNijhuis I agree with you. They need to be as safe as possible. What I was saying is just that other technologies have their drawbacks as well, and that many people do think that autonomous should never get into an accident, which isn't realistic. I don't know exactly how autonomous can be the best with vision, but it may need some of what you said. My point is that we need a company to eventually prove that an autonomous car is significantly less likely to get into an accident when compared to humans; once such a car comes about, we still have to accept that it will still get into accidents occasionally. As long as it is proven to be a lot better than humans on average even with a vision only approach, then it should be allowed. I think we all want the overall goal: car accident numbers decreasing each year once we have autonomous cars.
@GiesbertNijhuis Also, when I brought up the topic of people wanting no accidents, I wasn't specifically saying that I'm response to your comment. I agree with your comment, and that was just something I hear a lot. The expectation that an autonomous car should be absolutely perfect, I mean.
Australia 10kw roof-top solar installed for about $7k AUD and Tesla battery around $15k AUD. Because our electricity is expensive payback is a lot sooner.
Thanks for the video. I just moved to southeast Houston in February. Been following Tesla since it came out. Could you talk about it's successes and your opinion on how fast it is improving? Considering the potential of exponential growth involved in AI and such technology. It could improve very quickly. I am almost certain that Tesla will solve it and become the biggest company on earth in the next 5-10 years. This is mainly because I study the Bible and it basically foretells it almost perfectly. Anyway, God bless you and hope you read the Bible. All things are held together by the word of His power (The Holy Bible). Jesus Christ is the only way to God.
What a drama, the stock is down, add to it oh no there's a lot of risk. If you can't stand the volatility, don't buy the stock. It raining, this can be very dangerous😂, i have to hold on for dear life. Humans drive during heavy rain storms, they do at lower speeds and are more cautious.
If you are very concerned about cameras seeing through rain, stand out in the rain and shoot some videos on your iPhone. Rain isn’t great, but it isn’t as bad as what people think.
@@blessguy5330 Good points.. think I saw the same video taken during the last hurricane passing through Houston, TX. A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
We took a test drive last weekend. My wife and I have never sat in or driven a Tesla before that. Never experienced FSD until then either. I have no idea what version we were using, but it was amazing. I intervened twice, but in hindsight, the car was right both times and I was wrong. When we got home, we ordered one. Model Y, rear wheel drive. With FSD.
nice!
nice
Congratulations! A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
Congrats, you guys are going to love it
cancel the order and buy used from tesla's website. you will save a significant amount of money and get a better car.
No more touching the steering wheel feels better.
Night and day tbh
Another Model 3 owner in the UK here. I purchased FSD with the car back in 2019 and still patiently waiting... hoping for early next year to get a chance to test it!
Great to see how far it's come with 12.5, although I do think these no intervention videos might start getting boring! Keep up the good work.
Btw, long term stock holder since early 2018 so I'm lucky enough not to be worried about the short term dip, and am continuing to buy!
Wow, hope you get your monies worth with the FSD purchase.
You have waited 5 years?!
@@bocajuniors55 Yes, but in Europe last week we got a new update that adds automatic traffic light traversal on green... so now we can drive through multiple traffic lights without having to confirm with the stalk, only having to hold the wheel every 15-20 seconds for the nag 😆 It's actually a big improvement, so I'm not complaining...
would have been epic if you had that lady on video
yeah, I may start recording all my fsd drives just incase I hit gold again.
Windshield cams fail in Vegas heat. Interested in your roof mount. What cam are you using???
Delkin Devices Fat Gecko Triple Suction Camera Mount and a GoPro 10, highly recommend
Wow, keep em' coming this is really interesting to see. Subbed!
thanks!
Got 12.5 last night, only had one issue, otherwise very smooth ride
what was the one issue?
@@RioPerez1 Was kinda complicated, and i get why it was confused. We came up to a red light that had two left turn lanes, one go straight lane, and one turn right lane. I wanted to go straight, but tesla stopped in the 'right' left turn lane. I would have let it go, but another car came up besides us to go straight, so i disengaged, waited, then reengaged when it was safe to continue going straight.
The reason why i say i understand why it was confused, because if it had gone straight from where it was, it would have been on track, on the other side of the light, which had two lanes going straight. but the right lane there was for a different flow of traffic. so confusing for it, and im sure for other humans that were unfamiliar with that intersection
Just did my first drive on 12.5 did mostly perfect only time I disengaged was when it got on the highway then changed lane out of the slow lane. It changed into a blind spot of a big rig and just sat there.
Yikes, little things like that still need improvement.
When FSD final version works out, it will have big impacts on Tesla stock with crazy valuations. The shared property model will be the future. Your car parked out front may leave middle of night picking up an unknown person at airport and comes back two hours later. You don’t even know this event but it earns some taxi money for you.
I cross my fingers for that!!
It's a great vision
_When FSD final version works out, it will have big impacts on Tesla stock_
The ways things are going over the last 6 months, FSD will never reach Level 5 Full Autonomy. Every time a new version of the software is released, it continues to makes mistakes every day on a challenging route. 100 percent human supervision is required.
I’m gonna put it up on TH-cam!
Picking up the 2024 model 3 AWD today, I’ll subscribe to fsd to try it out
you can try it out 99 bucks a month instead of paying the 8k to try it out. I would suggest that before buying the whole thing to see if you like it. Especially if you only are going to have the car for a few years before trading in, and upgrading.
@@MrFrmartin yea that’s exactly what I am doing , actually might have a month of it free will ask today
you get a month for free
@@winnerdanny7 Sweet, thanks
4:10 Sadly no FSD here in Germany yet, but hey Elon said FSD maybe toward the end of the year in Europe, so maybe as a first release they might do a free month over here which would be awesome
Don't hold your breathe, but when Europe receives FSD it's going to be on point.
No Tesla as yet. Just fascinated by this journey towards FSD. Thanks for sharing.
I think you might be missing something about auto margins. Cybertruck is not yet positive but heading to it. Each one sold is a cost until its startup costs finished. It’s ramped up massively. If you take the Cybertruck ramp up out of their figures they actually lowered the cost of goods which INCREASED their margins.
Great point
Was in Texas all last week, only rained once. Wish it had rained more. Was so hot in San Antonio where I was.
Hello! I’m a Tesla FSD owner in souther California. Orange County to be exact. My FSD is pretty hard to test and I miss a lot of my connections to different freeways and off-ramps cuz it just waits too long to get over and ends up missing the ramp. So when I have the time and the power, I’ll let it do its thing. I have also been hearing the buzz around 12.5 but I don’t exactly is new or different. Great video!
Yellow Light, Yellow Light, Yellow Light.. (Hands prepared to stop).. then long relief sigh ...phew...
Yep this looks like late deceleration is still an issue as it has been on every FSD build the past couple years. Glad that people claim this build is more smooth overall, really hoping the hard deceleration for most stops especially when driving faster than ~40mph gets fixed asap.
@@maxsteele1 Last night while testing a few scenarios, it worked out great. This morning though it was dark, it had a couple issues with Signaling . Was really weird. At a stop sigh going straight, and it signaled as if it was going left. and another signaling issue, when taking a highway exit, it signaled left, then signaled right then took the exit. Not sure what was going on there
Anyone here with FSD please put stats on the FSD community tracker. It is really helpful to see aggregate results as FSD gets better. As far as I know you can even make it report automatically.
Definitely need to jump on that
I agree with you, Rio. Elon is currently dedicating the company's resources to achieving 100% Full Self-Driving (FSD), and I believe they will soon complete the technology to the level of driverless taxis.
Tesla owner from uk, no fsd at the moment. I've used basic autopilot in heavy rain and lorry spray on the uk and European motorways, and the system works well. In fact, I feel safer having autopilot do the hard work in those situations than me driving.
hopefully fsd is released in the uk soon
It looks like the car manufacturers in Europe will have to go bankrupt before FSD becomes legal here. Autopilot is legal but not FSD. The opposite of what is logical.
Initially, there will be limitations depending on the weather. On days with heavy rain or snow, FSD might not be allowed to operate. However, as FSD technology advances, it will likely be able to function even during significant rain or snow.
Agree 100%! A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
yeah, I agree it's a work in progress
FSD has worked fine in rain for a while now. I think the last version that would not engage with rainy weather was released over a year ago (Early V11).
At least the autowipers finally seem to work. Slow down when waiting on a red light, accelerate when resuming to drive. On previous versions it was quite the opposite…
yeah, the arutowipers finally seem locked in
Why is it driving on the left side of the road? King of the road?
Why did it cut to the next lane at that very first right hand turn? My car does that sometimes too and I think it’s dangerous
Yes, definitely a concern
Once FSD will become "Unsupervised", it will be eventually classified as a SAE Level 4 of automation. Just as a reminder, beyond Level 3, the responsibility in case of an accident is given to the car/car company, and it won't be the driver's fault. But between a Level 4 (potentially FSD with vision only, at the CURRENT STATE OF TECHNOLOGY) and a Level 5, the difference is exactly the environmental conditions in which it operates, with Level 4 being limited in critical weather scenarios, but completely autonomous in the other cases. I think the gap between L4 and L5 will be filled by Tesla with HW5, but vehicles equipped with HW3 and HW4 are going to be reasonably able to perform Level 4 autonomous drives.
This clip th-cam.com/video/l87gU_pGP5U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3RtzSZcxm8V1pqmW is my first drive in the dark with FSD v12.5 (version number visible on the display) installed in my 2024 MYP. Here's an 8-ish minute drive in stormy weather th-cam.com/video/jCT8NVfyOQA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LAs7bk9AMZEfJeCm shortly after installing FSD v12.5 in my 2024 MYP yesterday -- Oh you will see lightning and flashing red light along the way; I think my MYP did reasonably well with v12.5 all things considered.
Does 12.5 address school zones? Thats a big issue for me as I am surrounded by them and they are photo enforced.
Great question, I will test.
If vission works for humans then visions will work for the @Tesla products
What did it do that pissed her off?
She stopped on the road for a turtle and 12.5 tried to zoom around her unsuccessfully.
@@RioPerez1 so something a normal driver would have probably done. Was the turtle visible before it tried to go around?
I've noticed that fsd keeps you on the left lane without a reason. Why doesn't it go back to the right after a while? I have a TM3, no fsd yet.
more turns/cars exiting/entering the road on the right lane. stay on the left lane until you need to enter the right lane for a turn or to enter a parking area.
It does sometimes change to the slower lane (seen on whole mars). But yes, it should always do when slower.
And what extra sensor, what type would give more correct information? I don't think lidar works in the rain, because the light gets scattered. Radar can see through rain, but does it give enough data? Radar can't see details nor for example the colors of the stoplight. More cameras is probably best, with mini wipers.
I think that vision only is possible, but I would say that the best way for that to work is to have cameras with high frames per second. I'm not sure what their capability is now, but a high fps is important for those very rare split second decisions that can prevent a serious accident. But also, people need to realize that when the fully autonomous robotaxi does get on the roads, at least some accidents will happen. That is absolutely impossible to avoid, even if you had the most perfect system in the world. If someone darts in front of you in a small space while you're going 60 mph, the car just can't physically stop in time in certain cases. But some people honestly think that autonomous cars aren't acceptable unless they can achieve 0 accidents and that's ridiculous.
@@brock8752 Zero no, but as safe as possible please. I am almost completely paralyzed by a car crash. With 12.5 this crash would not have happened. A higher framerate, yes but when the camera doesn't see because of rain or snow or bugs.. that was the topic and I guess solutions are: more cameras and all cameras need to be able to clean themselves somehow. Also stereo cameras, why is that not used? 2 "eyes" see more than 1 and the depth information seems potential very useful to me.
@@brock8752 I asked ChatGPT4o, got this answer "The frame rate (fps) of the front camera of a Tesla Model 3 with Hardware 3 (HW3) is typically 36 frames per second (fps). This information is based on the capabilities of the Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) hardware provided by Tesla." and "The highest frame rate camera on a Tesla Model 3 with Hardware 3 (HW3) is the forward-facing main camera, which can record at 60 frames per second (fps). This high frame rate is utilized to capture detailed video data, which is crucial for the vehicle's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) capabilities." So 60 FPS.
@GiesbertNijhuis I agree with you. They need to be as safe as possible. What I was saying is just that other technologies have their drawbacks as well, and that many people do think that autonomous should never get into an accident, which isn't realistic. I don't know exactly how autonomous can be the best with vision, but it may need some of what you said. My point is that we need a company to eventually prove that an autonomous car is significantly less likely to get into an accident when compared to humans; once such a car comes about, we still have to accept that it will still get into accidents occasionally. As long as it is proven to be a lot better than humans on average even with a vision only approach, then it should be allowed. I think we all want the overall goal: car accident numbers decreasing each year once we have autonomous cars.
@GiesbertNijhuis Also, when I brought up the topic of people wanting no accidents, I wasn't specifically saying that I'm response to your comment. I agree with your comment, and that was just something I hear a lot. The expectation that an autonomous car should be absolutely perfect, I mean.
Australia 10kw roof-top solar installed for about $7k AUD and Tesla battery around $15k AUD. Because our electricity is expensive payback is a lot sooner.
Those are amazing rates, way cheaper down under.
@@RioPerez1 we get Chinese panels. Maybe US doesn’t or tariffs bring up the price.
Thanks for the video. I just moved to southeast Houston in February. Been following Tesla since it came out. Could you talk about it's successes and your opinion on how fast it is improving? Considering the potential of exponential growth involved in AI and such technology. It could improve very quickly. I am almost certain that Tesla will solve it and become the biggest company on earth in the next 5-10 years. This is mainly because I study the Bible and it basically foretells it almost perfectly. Anyway, God bless you and hope you read the Bible. All things are held together by the word of His power (The Holy Bible). Jesus Christ is the only way to God.
Put a sticker saying "Elon loves Trump" in the front and back, you can save some dirty looks and abuses!
whitb that left lane sticking you may get a ticket if a cop whit a bad day folow you.
yep, that was a bad start
What a drama, the stock is down, add to it oh no there's a lot of risk. If you can't stand the volatility, don't buy the stock. It raining, this can be very dangerous😂, i have to hold on for dear life. Humans drive during heavy rain storms, they do at lower speeds and are more cautious.
lol, well I have to talk about something
If you are very concerned about cameras seeing through rain, stand out in the rain and shoot some videos on your iPhone. Rain isn’t great, but it isn’t as bad as what people think.
Someone tested It In a hurricane and It did flawless aside from when there was a big puddle and It disengaged
@@blessguy5330 Good points.. think I saw the same video taken during the last hurricane passing through Houston, TX. A moment earlier I added my comment to this video; please feel free to check out the video clips in my entry to see how well my 2024 MYP operated under FSD v12.5 both in the dark (first clip) and stormy conditions (second clip) -- btw as per Elon, FSD v12.5's initial rollout is currently focused on Model Y units equipped with HW4.
@@TuneupMagic Yeah I see that, I always get It first.
Lidar far worse than cameras in rain
People still think Tesla is just a car company...smh