I've been playing WoW since the start, with some pauses along the way (never more than 6 months). I don't do group content any more, at least since mid bfa. I got bored of the guild's dramas and bored of the "second job" that WoW had become. Now at 50, I connect mainly to relax after work and enjoy the storylines (when they're good, which is the case in this expansion) and satisfy my collector brain. I am not a good player, I struggle to remember my keybinds, and I can "panic" when there's too much information on screen. So delves for me are at the same time intimidating and AWESOME. I can do finally "dungeon like" content at my own pace, without the pressure of people in a pug wanting to do everything at light speed. I can take the time to understand what I'm doing wrong. And I can slowly but steadily upgrade my gear. But they are intimidating. As I said, I'm not a good player, and I sometimes feel like I'm not good enough to even try the higher level delves. I'm stuck for the moment at level 6 delves, and with a lot of deaths. And when I finish a delve of this difficulty, I'm exhausted ! But oh so proud of me :'D But level 7 kicked my ass and throw me out with a warning ! I really hoped delves are here to stay !
I've played since 2008, December 2008, specifically. Blizzard/Xbox aren't stupid. A lot of us loyal, old timers are slowing down. But at the same time, we've got the kids off too, or out of college, the house paid for, and a lot of disposable income. Yeah, delves are perfect for solo players and we're loving them.
I'm also stuck at t6. I got tired of getting 1 shot and haven't played in 2 days. I'm so frustrated with this "solo" content that I don't even want to log in anymore. Delves were the reason I decided to give wow another shot after I stopped playing in 10.1, but they missed the mark... by a long shot
Played since August 08 and yeah my group participation hasn't been notable since maybe pandaland. I'm a disabled vet with neuro issues so a lot of the high-end content gets to be too much for me. The delves have been interesting so far but I have yet to be able to get too far into the levels because of neuro issues but they're a fun extra feature. Closing in on 50 myself so between these and warbands they've still got their hooks in me all this time later :)
I feel you my man! Same situation here. I was never a great player but had my moments. PvP is not for me because I also panic when the pace is so fast but I know my class (been playing pally since 2009). I enjoy the balance of delves and the sense of achieving something. Finished my first level 5 delve a couple of days ago after struggling for hours and it was so satisfying! It is not much but it was my effort and I got a nice gear upgrade so yeah. (Oh and I am so inlove with the mount)
As a solo I love delves and really don’t want the focus shifted to please the mythic raiders so they can get a week or two of gearing before it’s forgotten while I’m left with no gearing options again.
Maybe you're just playing the wrong game if you want an MMO to be an entirely soloable gameplay experience that also gives you equal or near equal rewards without having to work and cooperate with other people
@@mooninites755 The gaming scene is changing. Circa 2000 mutli player gaming was limited, then WOW came along and we all jumped on board that train. Then slowly wow as a game became worse (cata, mop, wod, bfa, SL) as well as ever more elitist and toxic. A LOT of us started hopping OFF the WOW train. Blizz finally realized this and are now making a better game (DF and WW) with content for those of us that want to solo (to avoid elitism/toxicity ) with meaningful progression but still want to play WOW. Your comment feels like it's from 2014 not 2024 . Blizz want every gamer playing their game, not just group oriented people.
@@sardonicspartan9343 That's a purely marketing ploy. Of course they want to say it's from every type of player, because they want to accept money from everyone will to pay. It's like you bought an FPS game and now are complaining you have to use a gun. User error.
@@MiS_4n_THr0_pic_NiH_il.i5t The game did not "slowly become more elitist and toxic". The playerbase just got better and you didn't. There became actual expectations to the content you wanted to do and you didn't meet them. There were far more barriers to entry in the classic era (Vanilla thru WotLK) than post-Classic era for nearly all end-game content. True toxicity is the expectation that you should be able to do every type of content just for showing up, regardless of skill level or willingness to play with others.
They need to stop adjusting the game to the top game players. Yeah, they'll push through it and claim they're easy. Some of us have jobs and families and responsibilities. I shouldn't see trash hitting for 2 million as a tank.
You nailed the problem there. I was optimistic that maybe delves might be what I want but I am finding them to be too tedious to waste my time on. My sub runs out 18 Sept. I'm giving it one more month and I'll just cancel again and wait to see if they what happens in the future.
I think the assumption that top end players want this to be challenging content is a bit of an incorrect assessment. Delves are not designed for top end players and that's extremely evident by the fact that this is the only week they will be relevant to them. Top end players are doing delves because it awards the best gear, not because they want challenging solo content (although some probably do). I can guarantee they want to gear in the most efficient way possible, which delves, in their current state, are not by any means efficient. Also, the idea that top end players don't have jobs, families, and responsibilities as well seems pretty ignorant on your part
As a casual player who plays solo 99% of the time, Dragonflight brought me back after stopping in 2018. One reason was prostate cancer the other was the mess created by Shadowlands. I think Dragonflight is great overall. I have a problem with dungeons and raids as they are time intensive. If you're in a guild it generally is an evening thing since people do work. I learned early that if you don't have heavy dps or you accidently mess up it gets nasty after awhile. I loved the follower dungeon concept since you can learn a dungeon without nasty comments. I love crafting as well but I have some things I disagree about it. TWW is a blessing for me with Delves as it challenges me yet you still can have grouping. I generally hate PvP as I'm not great at it. Coming back in 2022 was for me a game changer but I still have a lot of catching up with the content between 2018 and 2022 as well. Having one level 80 and 14 level 70 alts, 6 of them created in MoP, plus lower levels including an early level Earthen Shaman has me quite busy when I come on. All I can say is bring it on WoW with more content for players like me that solo!
@@WayneWatson1 You are 100% right. Sadly, the loudest group are also those that are the minority. WOW made the Delves for us casual players to be our alternative to raids and mythics. Now the raid and mythic groups are complaining about the Delves and WOW needs to stop listening to them. That group is NEVER happy with anything and they are loud about it. But they absolutely do not represent the majority.
I’m a solo player that plays at most 2 days a week for a couple of hours due to work and family Delves have been awesome I just hope they don’t make it too easy. I’ve done all the way to tier8 solo on my main a BM hunter with Bran as a healer spec . I think of them as solo M+ challenges.
And the inverse is also true, which a lot of people don't want to admit. 'No matter how easy content is, there will always be people who aren't good enough to complete it'.
I posted pn the forums earlier and said “I’m living in Delves” for the very reasons you said. Progression is based on me and my abilities. Not worrying about someone else. Guaranteed gear drops and such. 4 Bountiful delves run and 4 slots of champ gear and 1 610 item from the rare chest. Also people need to treat this like they would a progression raid. Food, flasks, health pots (2 types on separate cooldowns. Cavedwellar and Algari) enchanted gear and such. And for underwater delves, noggintoggers! 31s for 5 vs a bunch of gold for each water breathing. Or fishing pole for that.
It has nothing to bring me back for. Got the champ gear so now what? Catch up gear, nope.. A silly mount, nope... why would i return? Vendors have garbage on them, nothing there..
@@JVL1988 What a weird comment to make. Are you trying to imply that because I like the system I don't know there are other systems? Are you also implying that because of the other systems you don't do delves?
@@timgersh6787 the thing is, it wasnt super easy. It had challenge, but it was fun challenge. This new change made it just boring and tedious when killing a one random elite takes up ages
It's not about being easy, it's about being fun. Stuff has way too much life, nothing is happening, it's just boring and a massive waste of time, should it turn out that you can't do the final boss after all. I'm all for a challenge. Champion and Hero Gear shouldn't just be thrown at players like it was on day one. But right now Delves are just a boring version of Dungeons.
Delves should allow you to progress brann and the season journey while leveling up alts the whole point of this thing was to be casual and alt friendly not have high ranking endgame gear. Most players like myself don’t get involved in the hamster wheel Ilv grind no offense to those who do but if it’s not a PERMANENT account unlock like TMog mounts or world unlocks i don’t care about it. If you want delves to last all season long and be good content for casual people like myself than the whole way brann and season journey is progressed needs to be changed. Regular delves are pointless if you can’t level up brann and do the delve journey in them especially true for Alts.
Source that you are like "most players" please. I think I am like "most players", I enjoy better gear AND Xmog. Look, you be you, but the problem with people like you is when you ASSUME you are the majority voice and everyone has to play by your rules and wants. You say you don't want gear, you just want casual delves? Fine... stick to Delves tier 1 through tier 3... you won't get any gear, but you can do Delves all day long... just don't bother the rest of us who FINALLY have a way to get better gear without being forced to only do group runs on a timer. I know the majority of people like me (I can make up percentages too) prefer a way to get better gear going solo that isn't timed. You do you... enjoy low level Delves with no gear rewards... let the rest of us (the majority) get better gear our way. Everyone wins!
I'm so tired of blizzard seemingly not knowing what they are doing. I was excited for delves being a completely solo player. I used to lead a Cutting Edge Mythic Raiding guild for 8 years and that's not the life I want anymore. I got home later in the evening on the night those first hotfixes came out and I felt like i had 'missed out'. Yes, i realize there's still months to gear, but I'm playing WoW NOW and I don't play for a whole season. It just feels terrible when they promise something and then make mistake after mistake after mistake with the delivery. These people have been doing this shit long enough and it's always the same excuses.
I like delves a lot except for the fact many bosses require a class that has in infinite pool of interrupts to prevent being insta-dead. If your class/spec doesn't have a lot of interrupts or the one interrupt you have is a very long cooldown then you cannot do high level delves.
This was the problem with Horrific Visions. My Prot Pally & DH had no problems going through them. Sure, it was a challenge w/the masks since I wasn't raiding or doing M at the time but it was doable. Trying to do the same content with a Warlock who had one interrupt (besides fear if it worked) that was on a cast timer longer than the boss took to cast the spell SUCKED!
I'm gonna call BS on this... is it easier with more interupts? Of course it is... is it impossible with no or few interrupts? No, it's not. Most of the boss fights have many things that can insta-kill you, yes indeed... but there's an answer to pretty much all of them. 1) interrupt 2) run (put distance on an AoE) 3) pop defensive 4) get out of the way 5) Brann heals you know, do the potion dance If you can't do one of them (like no interrupt available) usually one or more of the other options will prevent a Death. Literal one shot mechanics are usually dealt with a get out of the way and/or powerful AoEs usually tick to killing you which can be dealt with either an interrupt, distance, defensive or health boosts during the ticks (self heals, potions, stones or Brann potion dance). If you just throw up your hands blame interrupts only and say it's impossible... you're just not trying all the options if you just blame interrupts and nothing else, that's on you.
As a player whos not really invested in guilds (im a dirty guild hopper just looking for my next aotc clear); delves are AMAZING! I love how when i die to a boss, im able to take my time, repair, eat(irl too), and swap talents/specs to adapt, with no pressure from having to 'pause' the game for others. I spend alot of time in delves looking around for treasures, which also helps me soak in the amazing work the devs put into creating the environments, its very immersive, relaxing/stressful at the same time, and overall a BIG WIN!!! If youre new to delves/wow, and youre unable to clear solo, dont feel pressured to sit in the pug 'queue', unfortunately its full of people looking for carries/meta specs, being declined 15 times in a row doesnt feel good, and dungeons are a better form of group content anyway; delves are most fun when you can take as much time as you want to gather/fish, look for treasures, or just take a 5 minute break inbetween mobs/bosses.
It’s completely broken since the hotfix. It’s all down to what class and spec you now play when doing solo delves. Even playing lvl 4 delves that were okay are now mega hard on certain classes/specs now forcing people to group or play specs they don’t like. No one says anything about making the content face roll but even groups find it hard to do lvl8 content now. They have to fix it asap
T8 seemed a very little harder but still can be solo if you play the right class. Blizz needs to tune classes that all of them can solo t8 delves. 596 shadow and i cant clear the last boss in the waterworks. The fire aoe just kills me the second time he does it. I was doing solo t8 on my ww monk and it had 572ilvl just cuz i can heal instantly for 1.6m every few seconds. Priest cant do that.
T8 delves are giving hc raid gear. Thats before m+ even started. So its ok if youre struggling with a t4 or t5... or did you wanted t8 to be easy so you can complain there isnt a challange and gear is being handed out freely without skillcurves, like we did for a few expanions...?
I got tired of getting 1 shot and haven't played in 2 days. I'm so frustrated with this "solo" content that I don't even want to log in anymore. Delves were the reason I decided to give wow another chance, but they missed the mark... by a long shot
I hope they fix delves before all the casuals stop playing. My wife only has 2 hours a day to play with me and getting one shot non stop by trash in the feature that brought us back to wow made her quit....
Yep! It’s obvious Blizz intended delves to be aimed exactly at solo/small groups without specifically saying so, so made them accessible to full groups to avoid backlash about that. So of course, with sweatlord raiders/Mplus players having access of course they are going to want it to be tailored to their wants. Delves have the potential to be SUCH a permanent and awesome form of endgame for casual/solo/small group players for the foreseeable future if they don’t fuck it up. It’s what brought me back instead of just playing FF14, and I imagine many many people in a situation like mine were brought back by delves too.
As someone who runs a whole bunch of alts, I'm hoping Delves will remain solo-friendly for the sake of getting decent gear, without worrying about lining up for groups and being rejected at every turn because our class cannot tank or heal. The issue with the companion (Brann) so far is that they're more effective as damage dealers than as a healer, but that's a role that the vast majority of players already cover, while healers and tanks are much harder to find. Weren't the companions supposed to fill in a role that your class couldn't?
Brans experience is shared across your warband. Means he will level quicker than your characters of your running multiple. I run a shaman, warrior and hunter, my bran is level 28, makes a huge difference. Can comfortably do tier 7, even push to an 8 and I'm undergeared and never do raids or mythic. It's a fab activity for people with alts 😊
@@MrGodlymuppet It's worth noting that past level 15, Bran will only get experience from Bountiful Delves, so you can't just do regular delves for the sake of pumping up Brann at that point. My point being is that Brann being noticeably better at a DPS role than he is at healing kind of defeats the purpose of him covering different roles that your current character may lack, especially if you don't roll a healer or even a tank.
I have not played group content for the past several expansions. I have played since the beginning with some gaps. I once belong to a mid level raiding guild. It was fun. I have never had the unlimited time commitment to play and get the gear needed for to play at higher levels. When I started the guild was really good at explaining what your role was in the raid, the mechanics, but most of all patient. They helped run dungeons and again they helped, because others were new too, or for those playing a different spec. Unfortunately over time the guild ended. I tried doing pugs, even other guilds. But it was totally not the same. I would get kicked from dungeons, yelled at, loot given to others.... I guit the game for awhile. Came back tried LFG, yup same thing. Rude, inconsiderate... mythic well if you don't have the gear many don't want you tagging along. So I have not seen the inside of many dungeons, nor a raid ,nor anything mythic. Unless you count solo low level dungeons just to see what was inside 😅. I only was able to watch the end cut scenes of these raids etc, when they were posted on TH-cam lol. I did not do the mage tower. But when torgest happened it was a game changer. My pace, my gear, my rewards, win or lose... no being told your a horrible player, being kicked, etc. I learned without the rude inconsiderate people. When DF did follow dungeons that was the first time in years for myself to do a dungeon. Playing the game is fun, but not doing dungeons, mythic, raids etc and the way blizzard made the game to be so focused on end game play it was like playing half a game. You don't get the experience the entire game. I admit I have not purchased the TWW. I am tired of playing half a game... lol even getting some mounts you need to find a group... Am on the fence, but I do like what I have been reading about delves and the follower dungeons. I just wish you could get good gear or rewards from a follower dungeon. DF did not, but I was able see what there were all about.
I like to think at this early stage there're certain ways to approach it, in this case focusing on crowd control, kiting, line of sight etc. The gear will come and the trend will shift towards your own performance as you can better hold your own, in the meantime you're learning the different encounter mechanics, mob placements, how the stories work etc.
@@SoulSoBreezy as of right now, with a lvl 36 brann, i afk them on my prot warrior/survival hunter, but my priest is basically unable to do them at the same ilvl
@@SoulSoBreezy The line of sight doesn't work on some casters, they keep casting through the walls. There seems to be a lot of bugs, compared to dungeons, unfortunately. If I remember right Torghast was more finished in start, though it still had it's share of very annoying mobs and scaling issues.
It shouldn’t be a step that’s the problem. That’s what’s making them suck. Now they’re required. Now they’re a job.. now you gotta do homework. Just let them have mythic track gear and let people have fun even if they’re bad at the game
I am a big fan of the delves and follower dungeons. I used to do group content with a mid range raiding guild for nearly 15 yrs and these last few expansions I have run solo. Between the high chances of finding elitism in game and the hassles of guild drama happening I very rarely touch group content. As I got older, and because of the nerve damage in my hands, I no longer can react as fast as I could in my younger days which made finding mythic plus dungeons harder for me to get done. Delves need some tuning.. I jumped into a lvl 8 and died twice within the first two pulls. The damage the mobs pump out need to be adjusted and gear needs be better..
Forget soloing a delves as a balance Druid now. I could handle a few mobs but now they all hit like a truck and I can’t no longer go higher than a 4. Bran is not helping at all. It was fun but Blizzard has made solo content unsoloable.
Learn to not face tank everything? Level up Brann (a feature of the system), let him DPS and he will start to kill most things pretty well. Just pull with a moonfire, let him tank it and help him and help keep him alive. Use his abilities. Don’t be afraid to use your keys on a 4 or 5 for gear if you are lacking.
@@keithb6344 Why does everyone assume when you have trouble that you pull everything on the map? I used to be able to handle a bad pull of 3-4 mobs. Now I’m lucky if I survive 2 mobs. Oh and forget Underdeep with its waves of mobs. My Bran is level 15 and struggle in both his roles. I thank you for your advices, but I tried it. Balance Druid is too broken for these so called hot fixes. Delves were made especially for us solo players in mind and the raiders and mythic players ruined it yet again by abusing it
@@madcalibur9410I was speaking as a balance Druid that has no mythic or other delve gear. My Druid I use for framing. I did some just to try it out and 7s were tough but I completer two of them already. Level up your Brann.
Balance druid, same. Not everyone will be mythic or raid geared over time: I won't. With a tank friend it was ok but yesterday it was like hitting a wall. Let's see what today's change do because yesterday, even the guildies mythic geared were dying. Later in the season won't be better if we are denied even the gear from Delves.
My biggest frustration with delves right now is that the “best” way to do them is in a group despite them clearly being targeted for solo players. If this doesn’t change asap, I worry blizz is letting victory slip from their hands
@@wiziek Doing 8's right now. Did 7's and 8's with undergeared friends last night. It's not easy, but what's the point in doing them if they're just a zerg?
I am firmly the type of player Delves were aimed at, and I am loving them. I had no expectation of immediately doing 8's day one, I expected to progress over the season. IMO Delves are fantastic in concept, admittedly poor in execution, but we should have fully expected a solo friendly spec agnostic end game pillar to require a metric ton of iteration and tweaking to get right. I recognize they have a lot of problems, and the hotfixes were messy. I just hope Blizzard are listening to the true Delve audience, the people who these were designed for and not the visitors who will be gone in a few weeks.
I HATE PVE and somehow I like these delves lol. I mean I loathe every quest, don’t like dungeons or raids. I play Survival Hunter in PvP and that’s it. The delves so far have been fun though. I went around and ran every single one of them and didn’t and still don’t care about the rewards at all. I play for fun not “rewards” back in the day games were fun just to play, that’s how PvP is to me, and not just a grind for some carrot on a stick. Glad you’re enjoying them too, I was shocked to be lol
I think this is me. Lol. I enjoy the delves! I can’t always do a dungeon, I like the “lower stakes” gameplay. I can play dungeon like content at my own pace and still get some loot/rewards!
I LOVE LOVE LOVE delves! I feel like WoW is for me now! It's finally delivering on the promise it's held for 20 years for me. I am so happy. I play mostly solo, sometimes duo with friends or family, and occasionally large group or easy group content. I don't enjoy high pressure, competitive environments, but I do LOVE challenges, solo or cooperative. I cannot overstate how thrilled I am. I trust scaling and tuning will come in time.
There needs to be more solo content. I'm mostly a solo player and I'm ilvl *600* for 1 week after they released. And now I have to start playing Mythic+ with people, which means, no more solo for me. I don't know what's the best way to proceed, but for example, they could make 12 delves with difficulty options for them, but first 3 delves go up to maximum of 584 ilvl, next 3 go to 597, next 3 to 610 and final 3 to 623 and you need to complete all difficulties on every 3 to unlock the next tier. And as those packs of 3 goes further, they become harder, with more environmental mechanics and also looking fancier, taking longer to complete etc etc. So in this way, a solo player will have a biiig and long journey ahead of him until he reaches the final 3 and starts getting 623 drops. And they can release them in time. First 3 in the 1st week, next 3 in the 3rd week etc. So when I'm done with the delves and have time to spent, I can do other content, waiting for the next 3 to come. I really want to spend the time and put the hard work to grind myself up to 623 for example, but currently...I made it to 600 in a week and I have to start playing with groups again. So the big and revolutionary new thing in WoW was finished by me for a week. Realistically, without delves, I would've reached this ilvl in a month, probably? So it saves me some time, that's all it does. Cool but...yeah. It's a very very nice step forward tho, this whole thing will evolve and mature over time and new ideas will be implemented.
Delves are my endgame. I have no interest in mythic plus or raids outside of raid finder. I want to level a bunch of characters and collect cool stuff without having to rely on random people.
I feel like I’m one of the players Delves were made for. I’ve been playing since Vanilla, mostly with IRL friends, but as life goes on most have moved on and retired or play less frequently and I haven’t been part of a raiding guild since BfA and trying to find PUGs stresses me out. I was very excited to have a real progression path with Delves and I’m still excited and hopeful it all comes to fruition. I’ve enjoyed them so far, although yesterday’s did feel a bit more punishing but still got through it. Having this has also made me more open to trying to do more PUG or queued group content than previous expansions since I’m not as worried about being so far behind on iLvl and not being able to catch up without an active guild or group. I’m looking forward to Blizzard finding a good balance with their difficulty and seeing this continue to become a real evergreen pillar of the game.
Leave delves SOLO. We do want that. If you want to group up do dungeons or raids. Tune delves only around solo content. Should never have allowed more than 1 player.
Solo is great but being able to group with my spouse or my spouse & a friend without having to pick up the rest is sooooo nice. I think Brann should be the '5th' member however. If you want 5 man content, do dungeons /shrug.
I find it pretty unsatisfying that the max level reward from bountiful tier 8 delves in not fully upgradable without doing m+ or heroic raids. I am not saying that I want the rewards to be higher ilvl, but having these pieces equipped that tell me to do the content that I don't want to do doesn't feel great. It's what they did to raiders that had to farm AP to get the most out of their raid gear, but now they do it to solo players.
I felt that too, but then I remembered if I'm not gonna do high M+ or heroic raids why do I even need higher ilvl than 603? Just my own thought process
Imo the mats needed to upgrade the items should drop from the content you're doing. If you wanna push for higher gear then you enter the next level of difficulty by choice.
@@1337139 The answer is the same as it has always been: To allow me to take on the challenges of my own choosing. Whether that's soloing dungeons, carrying guildmates, gathering renown quickly, clearing world quests more efficiently, contributing significantly to group content, or even things that are wilder and more ridiculous is entirely up to me. I think this expansion has been a significant first step in bringing parity to the player base, and that's only going to continue when Microsoft sees how solo players equal more sub income.
@@MiS_4n_THr0_pic_NiH_il.i5t Isn't the conversion rate pretty horrid or something..? And was there some prerequisite to be able to start converting them..? 🤔
This expac is awesome even with the problems. WOW is a place where players who make real money and who don't exist, is almost imposible these two types can coexist. In General "The community" will only transmit words that best suit it. That's why guilds are only useful for those who handle them and in general they are really bad for most players... in wow everything is based on the best armor and equipment, in order to have control in the mind of players promulgating stupid things like highest damage, Meta classes, IO, logs and sites that serve them in control like discord, addons, raider io, etc etc....that's why a large amount of players just want "SOLO" content cuz this days end game sux without it !!!! Fix the behavior of guild's will change this issue....and Delves is a great opportunity to offer new players a way to LEARN how to play they classes
One critically important little phrase in this video real stands out for me Soul - "small groups". Delves give us an amazing flexibility for the first time to solo something, or go in with multiple people up to a full dungeon group set (still extended by Brann). It has been an utter and total game changer for my wife and I, both of us have been soloing Delves and also grouping up together tackling them as a pair where we strategize completely differently - particularly for the bosses in higher tiers. It's a new form of the game, a new type of dungeon content, not just "groups" but "small groups". I don't get the rationale for some people who are arguing for "make them solo only"; how and why could this possibly make any sense? - the people asking for this can run them solo anyway, and by definition those people are not in competition with others.
I’m in the same boat! My wife and I I play together and it’s fun having content we can do just us. Thats what excites me the most about them. If only you could get anything past the first 4 of the week.
Husband and I also love to duo delves but the 'fixing' of the awful previous 'hotfix' is still making it very challenging. We're on T8 bountifuls which weren't face-roll before they 'fixed' them mid evening - so we were going to try a T9 bountiful the following night. We ended up doing another 8 bountiful and man it was a slog. The mobs HP had gone through the roof (trash mobs some had 40mil hp and end boss had 114million hp - between us we have 10 mil hp..) we did kill it but damn, it was a bit too tense lol
I thought I was going to hate them, but I’ve fallen in love. The challenge, pace, and CC fills a hole that, for me, has been missing since Mythic+ released. Old school TBC dungeon style
The delves themselves are quite a fun feature, and the method of weekly keys/daily delves works nicely for my casual self. It just feels like the movs health take foreeeever to get through
I actually wish they would put a version of torghast in caverns of time where each floor has different types of enemies from across wow and warcraft history. Every num er of floors get a chest with gear and as you go higher up gear gets better (floor 5 explorer path, floor 10 adventure, floor 15 vet, etc). This could be evergreen to with scaling
The well geared players love delves. It's part of the raid and mythic+ fun now. But for the casual and world content players, it's too hard as squishy caster, especially since today's changes. If this was meant to help us access a few nice drops, we will never reach those because we don't have the gear to withstand the millions in damage of some hits! So good idea, another content as non-tank casual I will probably never do, though we were told it was for us. It also means goodbye to the transmorg and other fun stuff. RIP delves... back to wq, events and armies of alt.
Yeah they are tuning these for higher geared then someone casual with say a 560 or so ilvl. You grind and hope the item at the end from the coffer is something you need. I would suggest maybe making these items warband bound so if you get something you don't need maybe an alt can use it.
I hear ya, but you have more than eight Tiers of Delve difficulty to progress through, and a whole season to do it. You also have a companion, Brann, to progress during the season as well. So, when you say Delves are too hard for a squishy caster like yourself during the very FIRST week of the season, I have to ask; What is the tier level of the Delve you are trying to complete? What is the level of Brann himself? What is your current gear ilvl?
I think at least initially delves should be solo only, focusing on their target audience, and blizzard should be balancing them so the solo DPS, healer or tank had a positive experience. Maybe someday provide group content, but first get the solo experience right. I also think they should have made the release schedule more gradual with up to tier 3 initially, then maybe up to tier 6, and finally 7+. What you want to do is time the release of the nicer rewards so that raiders/mythic players are already off doing their own thing.
I am a solo player. I play solo cause I like to do things on my own and not on some schedule for a raid team. I haven't raided for a very long time, the last time I raided was Lich King. I Stop due to the fact how our guild at the time played favorites, gearing up those who had a so called had a name, and than once had their gear left the for another raiding guild. Ok a bit more personal than I wish to say. But than we saw how top raider were use their gear to sell runs. You are getting the picture. Now with have delves. The big hype of them were they were to be for the solo player, tho you could invite friends to join you. Delves should be for everyone I have to agree. On the other hand who are you rewarding? The solo play who soloed the Delve or the group? If a player solos the Delve should they receive better gear or maybe a title like the mage tower? I don't know what is fair, but if you are going to make this huge hype that is for solo players and trust me I know many content creators that fed this Hype! I Just know I wish to play the game and have fun! But it is frustrating with you play hard earn money for a something that is broken. I do apologize Soul, you are a good content creator, sorry for the Rant! Respect to ya!
I absolutely love delves. I’m glad bliz is working on fixing them. This is my favorite content in the game right now. Follower dungeons would be my favorite if I could choose the followers from my garrison or order hall or even my alts and scale to m+
Follower dungeons would be better if that damn hunter would stop disengaging into packs I haven't pulled... oh wait, that's LFG, no wait.... Game reality check here, brb.
Solo player here, solo in the sense that I don't do group content. For context, my main is a balance Druid, ilvl 567. I was very much looking forward to delves, and at this time, I am highly disappointed in them. Did a level 3 delve yesterday, a delve I was able to do without much problem a few days ago, and every encounter with gold mobs was like a boss fight. My interrupts either didn't work or the mob was immediately casting again. I was doing a bit of damage, but losing much more HP. My self-heal was nearly worthless. After a half hour of that, I quit. Right now, these delves are overtuned for my definition of solo player, one who is in mostly WQ gear and who isn't going to be doing group content. That I have to fight like hell to clear a delve level that likely would not have offered any ilvl slot upgrade is incredibly disappointing. Honestly, I wasn't going to buy this expansion until I heard about Delves. If this doesn't work out, for any reason, well, I consider this to be their last shot, frankly.
I'm in a very similar boat - really disappointed in the way they ruined them with a hotfix. I was doing Tier 4 no problem earlier in the week but now after their "fix" I'm losing HP faster than I can react. These are base attacks from Kobalds hitting for 1.3 mil over and over - there is no interrupting it. Being that I know how much fun this content was bums me out at how bad it feels now. I'm not looking to hit delve 8's but god damn did they suck the fun and enjoyment out of it.
I really like the Delves although, I do play multiple toons and found some classes (mage for example) I dont even bother trying harder content without help, its just too frustrating. As for the slower start - myself and most of my guild really REALLY like the delay in releasing the hamster wheel, er, I mean M+ grind. I have heard some complain about it but, from where I sit, that's been few. I delay has made it way easier to enjoy the leveling process without the additional pressure of prepping for Raid. Its a tough one to balance in such a diverse population and I give credit for the attempt.
Delves are still out of whack for solo players. You can't survive unless you are the toughest badazz solo class. mages can forget it. They need to apply the same follower style group to delves. They still need groups cause Brann just sucks. Frackin sporebits 1 shotting a 4.7mil ret paly or close to it, only to immediately respawn on top of you, constantly.
@@danielkerber8667 he's at 26 at the moment. The delves mechanics are just way out of whack. Mobs with as much health and damage output as a boss and then add in the adds that swarm you from another room.
I love delves. I love solo content. I loved the Brawlers Guild and the Green Flame Warlock quest. I've been yearning for Quality Challenging Solo Content that is Fun. Delves Deliver on that However I think Blizzard fucked up. Delves are fun, and challenging But Blizzard forced EVERYONE into doing delves. What do I mean by forced? Well, if you want to be Mythic ready for next week, you NEED to farm as many delves as humanly possible. I don't think they should have allowed Tier 8 Delves yet, letting that be the PINNACLE of gear for this week was a BAD idea. If Delves are supposed to Compete with Raids and Dungeons for "Endgame content" Why did they give us access to ALL delves, but not access to ALL dungeons/raids They should have treated Delves the same way as other content, gate the BIG BALLER gear for the later week. Especially since this has SOURED many people on delves. I think Delves are great, and I'm so happy to see them, but I hear from my Mythic+ Andies about how mad they are that they have to do them, and I think they're right, forcing players to do them (especially in this broken state) was a mistake.
If you love them, and other people don't, why're you letting their problems make you think "blizzard fucked up?" The people you're talking about are tripping themselves up over their self-inflicted pressure and it doesn't need to spill into your enjoyment. Sounds rude but really, let em seethe. Stick to your happiness.
I love delves, been clearing tier 6 and 7 main, but i have taken one tier 8 delve. I like to progress in delves. I have currently 8 level 80 characters that have done 8 each delves each for the reward from great vault next week.
I was a sweaty player in my 20s. Now I have kids, work, other things I enjoy. I don’t play enough hours or at consistent enough times to do group content anymore. The promise of rewarding solo content sounds very good to me.
wasn't delves supposed to be solo content? They should make it solo, you shouldn't enter in group and that would solve some of the problems of scaling and damage, etc.
They were definitely supposed to be solo. The issue with making them solo only is rooted in blizzards need to make things "challenging". Solo challenging for a dk, warrior, or paladin = completely impossible for most casters (especially developing evokers). If they make it doable for average casters, then that same dk, warrior, and paladin are indestructible unstoppable machines that clear it in a min 30 sec.
you have to make them a challenge if you want them to drop gear that is worth playing the mode for, if its to easy you cant have it drop gear even close to mythic iL which will make no one want to run them, it will become dead content for like 100 people like pet battles.
This. Why are we even talking about scaling for groups. There should be no groups for it anyway, it was supposed to be solo. With a group it’s just a dumbed down m+ dungeon anyway, like why allow people to degen grind with a group in the first place?
I always thought I was an ok player. It turns out Delves showed me how bad I actually am. I love the idea of delves, and I'm still excited about them. I think that, for me, it'll take me most of the season to get to Zekthirs Lair, if at all. I'm leveling a few toons up to 80 just to find a class/spec I enjoy playing AND can run delves well enough to get vault each week.
Hey Soul, what are your thoughts on giving players an option when making a character (or when ever), the ability to make your experience in wow Easy/medium/ or hard, scaling mobs, bosses, quests ect to make things easier or hard and scaling the EXP/ gear rewards along the way.
Weird, for lack of a better term. One can easily choose a different gameplay style by self-capping their own item level and as they level mobs get stronger while they do not. The feeling of difficulty gets weird as soon as other players jump in via queue or naturally out in the world. Broadly, there're so many ways to "make world content more meaningful" that no matter what Blizzard does there's gonna be a LOT of groaning.
I've been a hardcore raider (8 hrs a day 6 days a week MC, BWL, AQ, etc.), I've done solo casual, did PvP during BC, back to raiding in Wrath, back to solo casual w/Cata, started the LFG/LFR thing in Pandaria, etc. Can say I've done all but Mythic+/Mythic raid & I HATE having to pug. I did some M dungeons in BFA & SL but I hated doing even normal/heroics in DF. Delves are such a great opportunity. This is the first time in a long time I've had good gear in the first season w/o having to deal w/pugs or waiting for the WB to drop a piece. The thought of being able to gear up alts without having to find decent groups or pray for competent LFR's is a true relief. As a Prot Pally main I don't think being hit by 2-3 mobs for over 600k at a time from simple melee attacks, while 2 casters stand on opposite sides nuking the hell out of me is fun, but I know delves are a work in progress & I'm ok with that. I just hope they don't push them under the rug because the 'more vocal' minority says they suck or are useless because they aren't for them.
My partner and I have been playing since day one of vanilla (earlier than that, in fact). I have never seen her as excited about a feature in WoW as she has been about delves. Huge success.
As a solo player, I despise Delves even more than I despised Torghastly. The real problem is being constantly harangued to complete Delves for storyline content and upgraded gear. Sure, as a tank I can survive, but it takes ages and it’s absolutely frustrating to run the same content over and over. I wish Blizz would make Delves follower content but I understand that’d be a pain to code and balance.
Yes! Look, I get that the pumpers are gonna complain that it's easy gear and everything, but who cares. It's a game. I don't believe I need to "earn" everything like a job. Just make it fun. Get easy good gear, let me go with followers. Let us do Heroic with followers too. All that. You want casual players to actually have fun... Do that. If M+ folks complain, who cares. If an NBA player says a 10 foot hoop is too low, do we make it 15 ft? No we don't.
I think from Blizzard's perspective, Brann IS the follower content for Solo Delves, while the regular followers are the content for Normal Dungeons. Blizzard does not expect a player to Solo Normal Dungeons without followers, and I don't think they expect a player to Solo Delves without Brann.
My biggest issue with delves is the lack of getting gear without keys. The ilvl of the gear drop is really low. It should at least scale with delves. Dungeons/raids drop higher level gear at higher difficulty without having to farm other items. It doesn’t even make sense, you have to do 8 delves a week to fully unlock the vault, but you can only get gear from 4. So half the delves you do have no point other than unlocking vault slots.
I came back this week for TWW (after leaving in late BfA)... solo content is, at the moment, what I'm here for. And in fact, I've always loved solo or small group stuff. Remember MoP scenarios?
Delves are the only grind that i have enjoyed ever in this game. Brann is starting to be a real badass too because i have leveled it with 4 characters.
Brann progression SHOULD be the key to Delve progression for players during the Season. If not, then players who get to the point where they are able to do Tier 8 delves comfortably will no longer care to continue to level Brann.
Im loving the delves, although I’ve only done 4 bountiful t8s this week it’s been super rewarding! It’s nice to have challenging content I can do with my wife or some other friends and we have to actually strategize or small pull to complete. The first one we did we ended up bricking because we died so much but then we got the hang of it and it’s been so fun! And hay if someone wants to zoom through content and min max theirs then that’s fine by me. I however will be keeping this content as fun challenging content I can do with friends and playing the way we want to, and the specs we want to
They ruined delves this morning, I can’t even clear tier 8 on my healer anymore bran does barely any dmg and my bran is level 30… he can’t hold aggro on my dps classes so I get like 3 tapped in solo runs with them.
Balancing this is definitely going to be a difficult task. I am a Resto Druid who likes to play solo content as Resto. I understand I am going to be weaker in terms of DPS, but there are players like that want to solo in a healing spec. I'm ilvl 583 and I struggled with tier 7 before the patch. But i did a tier 6 and it was VERY challenging but I made it through! It felt really rewarding and I hope they can continue this feeling. I also want them to have difficult for Group play, as I found it really fun!
What I wish is that Delves were solo only. Make some Delves group ones, sure. But make some only solo. Lock out the option for groups. Let me have straight up solo content.
Carlos, Ccan you tell us more about this? I truly want to understand this position. Why would solo-only help achieve what you want? Is it because the flexibility seems to make it difficult for Blizz to get the scaling right?
@@00Recoildo a degree, yes. Scaling will always be more difficult when dealing with scaling group sizes. Not to mention group synergies. But more to the point, or at least my point. If it remains a group option then the metrics of its long term viability will be group based. And currently those numbers are inflated by people pre gearing. Once those groups fall off, and they will, it will, at least on paper, suggest a drop in popularity. A false reflection as the previous highs were people grinding gear bot actually trying to change themselves on a solo basis.
One thing they should avoid is haphazardly hotfixing back and forth between extremes, that turns off players real fast. At least, I haven't been eager to try em since running into those bogus named mini bosses and getting completely hosed
I love delves. Most of my chars are Horde on a big horde server, but some of them are alli on a near dead server with lfr times up to 40 mins in prime time, and leveling dungeons take up to 10 mins, even as a healer. Each delve has a quest with 86k (i think) xp as reward, making them very easy for leveling. Today i played 6 delves at 5-7 with my destro wl, my mm hunter and my uh dk (each of them used 2 keys). None of them had problems (just use cc and potions). Great way of wasting some time and getting better gear. And yes, I do think, for the reward you get, you should be able to get out of some aoes and kick some casts.
I'm enjoying the delves, my guild had groups running them yesterday and we had a blast. No speed runs in my guild I am usually the healer and if they speed off into mobs I let them die until they figure it out. My only complaint at the moment with delves is that they don't have guild achieves. If they are to be permanent I would have expected that there would be guild achieves as well.
I been playing since vanilla. My guild does normal and hc raiding and m+ dungeons but I prefer solo play with guild chat. I didn't do any tww dungeons except the one for story so my Frost DK was pretty low geared when I started delving. Defeated T8 with relative ease, have multiple 610 items on now as well as 603s and 3x 616 filled for the vault. I'm having a blast with delves 😊
I really enjoy the delves. The only 2 tier 8s I haven't been able to solo on the mage so far is waxface and sinkhole. Gave up on waxface and didn't even try sinkhole cus I hate water levels. Item level 602 even with skipping those 2.
For decades I would only do extreme soloing. I would work so hard on finding a way to make gold, gear, challenge myself and have fun all by myself. Some examples: Firelands trash soloing as a hunter for BoEs / Rep. Level 60 Frost Mage solo farming Lord Incendius in BRD for Large Brilliant Shard farm. I would always seem to find a fun and challenging solo thing to do because I dont like competition in the open world, like gathering or pvp or rare / treasure hunting, i feel like thats too many bots and real world gold farmers. Group stuff might be more ilvl, but if I have to be in a guild show up on their schedule, hope 15 other people are good enough to get items, and then get lucky enough to get an item - its never been worth it for me. So now, I get to do EVERYTHING in a delve. Tier 6 farms Carved Crests, which can be turned into weathered for low ilvl alts, or 90 of them turned into 15 runed to upgrade champion gear. Zekvir shows up occasionally and gives me epics, bounty maps for 610 hero gear, and coins. Bountifuls give me a chance for end game comparable gear every single run. I can farm gold with profane tinderbox randoms. My alts get gear with warbound items. Even as a non gatherer, after an hour of delves, brann pulls up plenty of herbs ore and fish. Not to mention raw gold per hour is amazing. Never in my life did I think Id get a full wow end game experience covering all the bases in a solo environment. The kicker is this - there are NEAR INFINITE delves to do. 12 Delves, 4 scenarios = 48 variations. But wait, they can be backward or forward on the map, they can have a variety of mob types and spawn points, the herbs/ore/fishing pools are different every run making pathing different every run. Its literally thousands of solo raids to run in 10-15 min. Im mind blown.
Because of the state of my life, I’m an active duty army LTC who is married with 5 kids, I don’t get to do reading the way I did in 2004-2008 - but I still play. Usually I end up as a expansion tourist who keeps playinggn any paying but stops logging in after the thrust of the first patch (maybe the next few patches of the expansion is good) to see the story and play the dungeons and maybe LFR. I am more engaged in wow than I have been since … WOD, or maybe the first patch of legion. So I think for the audience type I am a member of, it’s working.
And here is the other thing. I’m not good at this game anymore, nor do I have the time to get good. I am ok with the fact that clearing a level 5 bountiful delve takes all of my life’s but I can beat it. Tier 8 should be beyond my skill level as it should equal heroic raids. With enough reps and time, I expect to get there. For now, I will try a level 6 bountiful today and I expect a 50/50 chance that I beat it. And I’m ok with that
I personally have been LOVING delves. I really dont like the toxic atmosphere of mythic dungeons so me and my irl buddy have been 2 manning tier8 pretty easily! I play a prot paladin and solod tier11 so maybe i just play a good class for solo but ive been having a blast and im swimming in 603/610 gear!
I like the concept of Delves. I have some issues with the first implementation. I think solo was over tuned and group was under tuned. The current tuning isn’t perfect, but already better. I played M+ in the past and raided in the very past. I think Delves suit me much more these days than M+ and raids. But there are still issues that have to be addressed, like crest acquisition. There are runs where I don’t get any crests at all. The discount for both crest as stones should be fixed as soon as possible.
Been running tier 8 delves solo (on prot warr, aff lock and rsham). Mainly positive, but some weird scaling issues like unavoidable damage on last bosses that just isn’t survivable even though rest of the delve went fine. So far at least one bountiful per day has doable in my 570-580 gear.
The ONLY reason for Brann existence is to help the Solo player complete the Delve. I agree that Brann should not be included in a group doing a Delve. That may even address some of the balancing issues between Solo and Group Delves.
But you dont get xp for Brann if he's not in so if youre someone who groups alot, your Brann will be so low level that he'll be totally useless when you have full t7-t8 gear gotten with a grp. Edit: now that i think of it, it probably is better that Brann joins your party than not so he can be powerful for you to help solo? You struggle with a t8 delve, you do it with a grp and level Brann while doing so and he will be stronger for when you go in solo. Stupid mechanic i know but just a thought ive got
@@1337139 yeah but giving him xp while not being there seems so off to me. I hate these kinds of automations in games; do this and get free xp somewhere for free without using or doing it...
I’ve been loving delves, they are the perfect content for me. I’ve been running tier 7s on my destro lock - challenging but very doable. I never expected to go into 8s straight away despite content creators suggested this was what you should do. I actually expected only to be able to do 5s this week for the veteran gear and then progress later. I think they should have been capped at 5 for the first week to avoid groups spamming them for easy loot. I’ll be happy when that crowd move onto M+ to stop the complaining drama about the recent new tuning.
I wonder what will happen when we're in raid tier 2 and 3. Will it be left to die or will it keep pushing the gear level and difficulty up? I really love Delves though
As the target audience I think delves have potential but they have me concerned because of the way they decided to balance them. IMO the best way they could make delves challenging is to lean into the mechanics of the delves. That and they should tune the life and damage of the empowered packs not the whole instance. If I die because I didn't move out of a trap then I can learn and improve. If I die to tiny trash mobs who can melee me with unavoidable damage that is not fun. These need to be fun for me to get hooked and do regularly. I loved the mage tower and the green fire quests when they came out. They were a big challenge but felt doable if you could properly do the mechanics. Delves right now feel like I am locked at a level till I can get enough health and gear to survive. One of those feels artificial and one feels like a fun challenge to work at.
As a mainly solo player that prefers mage I’m loving delves as solo content. Managed to solo a 10 last night! Gonna see if I can manage an 11 before reset. It’s refreshing that CC is useful and almost necessary again
"Cleverly", the only times Delves were positively received were when they were erroneously bugged to become EASIER when playing with friends AND when Brann was so powerful he basically did the content for you. That's what makes players happy, easy breezy content and loot raining from the sky, not challenge.
Ah right because when they are too hard it is okay too? They weren't clearly balance before, they were too hard solo (try doing it on priest, mage etc) and not that straightforward in groups bigger then 2, no idea what killed me and half of party, it was just 1 shot during least boss instead of burning us very low. Currently running around and barerly doing any dmg and letting bran tank isn't really feasible especially if you can't heal yourself.
For me personally, and only during this first week of season 1, it sucks that you can get higher iLevel gear in Delves compared to what’s available in dungeons. I feel somewhat pressured into doing them, but from next week onwards I‘ll probably not going to bother. Putting that aside, I‘m a big fan of the concept of giving solo players and small groups a form of endgame progression
Time Stamp 7:50 ; Yes, all the issues you listed that Blizzard has to face when designing Delves are challenging. However, Blizzard has had the experience of Horrific Visions in BFA and Torghast in Shadowlands to draw from. In addition, Blizzard had a FULL development cycle, including an Alpha and Beta, to get it right. I personally, don't give much slack to Blizzard at this point given the major changes they are making to Delves during the FIRST week of the new Season.
Remember when alpha came out and only the cool kids got to play? They all said, "Delves are too easy, they're crap." So when beta was released, the delves were so difficult that players couldn't finish them, but at least the cool kids didn't complain on youtube. That whiplash led directly to the scaling confusing we see now.
I've played wow since Whizbang Dustyboots posted his report of F&F alpha gameplay on Graffes back at the beginning. I was a raider until right around Cata, when the career, wife and kids and other interests made me a lot more casual. I generally play twice a week on Wednesdays for 2-3 hours and on Saturdays for 3-4. I joined a guild during DF that raids normals and we have a handful of sweats who love M+ as well. All that said, I am an outlier in the casual space because I enjoy YT content and I'm not shy about occasionally posting comments. I suspect that most who play wow as little as I do don't consume much outside the game itself and aren't offering feedback in the traditional sense. I'm concerned that delves in particular are going to get plenty of feedback from the more hardcore/optimizer crowd and the squeaky wheel will get the grease. For my part, I love the idea of delves, but they don't feel particularly great with a caster DPS spec. Especially if the player, like me, isn't particularly optimized already. Like follower dungeons, they aren't particularly great for XP on the way to 80, and the reward system isn't rewarding in the same way a "rare" drop from an old school MMO was. I'm not sure what can be done to provide a more satisfying experience for the casual player, other than ramping up the rewards for true solo players a bit to offset the optimized group meta typical in M+. Even that is certain to have unintended consequences if not managed with care. Thanks for the content, Soul. I appreciate you!
Well broken down. I am so happy to see that there are others like me. No, I will not expand on that, just know that other posters are very appreciated, thank you.
I really like delves but they're easier with groups. With solo, you have to be really good at using your entire toolkit. Such a great alternative to M+!
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I've been playing WoW since the start, with some pauses along the way (never more than 6 months). I don't do group content any more, at least since mid bfa. I got bored of the guild's dramas and bored of the "second job" that WoW had become. Now at 50, I connect mainly to relax after work and enjoy the storylines (when they're good, which is the case in this expansion) and satisfy my collector brain. I am not a good player, I struggle to remember my keybinds, and I can "panic" when there's too much information on screen.
So delves for me are at the same time intimidating and AWESOME. I can do finally "dungeon like" content at my own pace, without the pressure of people in a pug wanting to do everything at light speed. I can take the time to understand what I'm doing wrong. And I can slowly but steadily upgrade my gear. But they are intimidating. As I said, I'm not a good player, and I sometimes feel like I'm not good enough to even try the higher level delves. I'm stuck for the moment at level 6 delves, and with a lot of deaths. And when I finish a delve of this difficulty, I'm exhausted ! But oh so proud of me :'D But level 7 kicked my ass and throw me out with a warning !
I really hoped delves are here to stay !
I've played since 2008, December 2008, specifically. Blizzard/Xbox aren't stupid. A lot of us loyal, old timers are slowing down. But at the same time, we've got the kids off too, or out of college, the house paid for, and a lot of disposable income. Yeah, delves are perfect for solo players and we're loving them.
I'm also stuck at t6. I got tired of getting 1 shot and haven't played in 2 days. I'm so frustrated with this "solo" content that I don't even want to log in anymore. Delves were the reason I decided to give wow another shot after I stopped playing in 10.1, but they missed the mark... by a long shot
Played since August 08 and yeah my group participation hasn't been notable since maybe pandaland. I'm a disabled vet with neuro issues so a lot of the high-end content gets to be too much for me. The delves have been interesting so far but I have yet to be able to get too far into the levels because of neuro issues but they're a fun extra feature. Closing in on 50 myself so between these and warbands they've still got their hooks in me all this time later :)
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I feel you my man! Same situation here. I was never a great player but had my moments. PvP is not for me because I also panic when the pace is so fast but I know my class (been playing pally since 2009). I enjoy the balance of delves and the sense of achieving something. Finished my first level 5 delve a couple of days ago after struggling for hours and it was so satisfying! It is not much but it was my effort and I got a nice gear upgrade so yeah. (Oh and I am so inlove with the mount)
As a solo I love delves and really don’t want the focus shifted to please the mythic raiders so they can get a week or two of gearing before it’s forgotten while I’m left with no gearing options again.
Maybe you're just playing the wrong game if you want an MMO to be an entirely soloable gameplay experience that also gives you equal or near equal rewards without having to work and cooperate with other people
@@mooninites755funny thing... blizzard disagrees with you. They have said that several times now. WoW is for every type of player.
@@mooninites755 The gaming scene is changing. Circa 2000 mutli player gaming was limited, then WOW came along and we all jumped on board that train. Then slowly wow as a game became worse (cata, mop, wod, bfa, SL) as well as ever more elitist and toxic. A LOT of us started hopping OFF the WOW train. Blizz finally realized this and are now making a better game (DF and WW) with content for those of us that want to solo (to avoid elitism/toxicity ) with meaningful progression but still want to play WOW. Your comment feels like it's from 2014 not 2024 . Blizz want every gamer playing their game, not just group oriented people.
@@sardonicspartan9343 That's a purely marketing ploy. Of course they want to say it's from every type of player, because they want to accept money from everyone will to pay. It's like you bought an FPS game and now are complaining you have to use a gun. User error.
@@MiS_4n_THr0_pic_NiH_il.i5t The game did not "slowly become more elitist and toxic". The playerbase just got better and you didn't. There became actual expectations to the content you wanted to do and you didn't meet them. There were far more barriers to entry in the classic era (Vanilla thru WotLK) than post-Classic era for nearly all end-game content. True toxicity is the expectation that you should be able to do every type of content just for showing up, regardless of skill level or willingness to play with others.
They need to stop adjusting the game to the top game players. Yeah, they'll push through it and claim they're easy. Some of us have jobs and families and responsibilities. I shouldn't see trash hitting for 2 million as a tank.
I couldn't agree with this more! Delves were meant for the "non elite" players. Leave it alone!
You nailed the problem there. I was optimistic that maybe delves might be what I want but I am finding them to be too tedious to waste my time on. My sub runs out 18 Sept. I'm giving it one more month and I'll just cancel again and wait to see if they what happens in the future.
I think the assumption that top end players want this to be challenging content is a bit of an incorrect assessment. Delves are not designed for top end players and that's extremely evident by the fact that this is the only week they will be relevant to them. Top end players are doing delves because it awards the best gear, not because they want challenging solo content (although some probably do). I can guarantee they want to gear in the most efficient way possible, which delves, in their current state, are not by any means efficient.
Also, the idea that top end players don't have jobs, families, and responsibilities as well seems pretty ignorant on your part
Then it shouldn't reward equal loot.
As a casual player who plays solo 99% of the time, Dragonflight brought me back after stopping in 2018. One reason was prostate cancer the other was the mess created by Shadowlands. I think Dragonflight is great overall. I have a problem with dungeons and raids as they are time intensive. If you're in a guild it generally is an evening thing since people do work. I learned early that if you don't have heavy dps or you accidently mess up it gets nasty after awhile. I loved the follower dungeon concept since you can learn a dungeon without nasty comments. I love crafting as well but I have some things I disagree about it.
TWW is a blessing for me with Delves as it challenges me yet you still can have grouping. I generally hate PvP as I'm not great at it. Coming back in 2022 was for me a game changer but I still have a lot of catching up with the content between 2018 and 2022 as well. Having one level 80 and 14 level 70 alts, 6 of them created in MoP, plus lower levels including an early level Earthen Shaman has me quite busy when I come on. All I can say is bring it on WoW with more content for players like me that solo!
No matter how hard something is, there will always be someone who wants it to be harder.
They need to stop tuning things for the elite players because they are bored and remember us avg people
@@WayneWatson1 You are 100% right. Sadly, the loudest group are also those that are the minority. WOW made the Delves for us casual players to be our alternative to raids and mythics. Now the raid and mythic groups are complaining about the Delves and WOW needs to stop listening to them. That group is NEVER happy with anything and they are loud about it. But they absolutely do not represent the majority.
I’m a solo player that plays at most 2 days a week for a couple of hours due to work and family Delves have been awesome I just hope they don’t make it too easy.
I’ve done all the way to tier8 solo on my main a BM hunter with Bran as a healer spec .
I think of them as solo M+ challenges.
And they need to be ignored
And the inverse is also true, which a lot of people don't want to admit. 'No matter how easy content is, there will always be people who aren't good enough to complete it'.
I posted pn the forums earlier and said “I’m living in Delves” for the very reasons you said. Progression is based on me and my abilities. Not worrying about someone else. Guaranteed gear drops and such. 4 Bountiful delves run and 4 slots of champ gear and 1 610 item from the rare chest.
Also people need to treat this like they would a progression raid. Food, flasks, health pots (2 types on separate cooldowns. Cavedwellar and Algari) enchanted gear and such. And for underwater delves, noggintoggers! 31s for 5 vs a bunch of gold for each water breathing. Or fishing pole for that.
found SFA gear there omg what are you on
Really great advice on cavedweller + Algari
I really hope blizzard keep delves going forward. Been one of the funnest grinds i've had in recent memory.
It has nothing to bring me back for. Got the champ gear so now what? Catch up gear, nope.. A silly mount, nope... why would i return? Vendors have garbage on them, nothing there..
@@ogreth9438 Cool i guess you'll go play another game then or do another hobby. What's the problem?
@@stuartfury3390 Wait until you find out WoW has more to do than delves. It'll shock you.
@@JVL1988 What a weird comment to make. Are you trying to imply that because I like the system I don't know there are other systems? Are you also implying that because of the other systems you don't do delves?
@@ogreth9438okay try hard
the current fix they did did make the fun and challenging bit into slow and tedious slog
yea I know, it sucks because whats wrong with easy?
@@timgersh67872s are easy. Some people want a challenge.
@@timgersh6787 the thing is, it wasnt super easy. It had challenge, but it was fun challenge. This new change made it just boring and tedious when killing a one random elite takes up ages
@@timgersh6787if you want easy, blizzard will lower the gear value. Use your brain dude.
It's not about being easy, it's about being fun. Stuff has way too much life, nothing is happening, it's just boring and a massive waste of time, should it turn out that you can't do the final boss after all.
I'm all for a challenge. Champion and Hero Gear shouldn't just be thrown at players like it was on day one. But right now Delves are just a boring version of Dungeons.
Delves should allow you to progress brann and the season journey while leveling up alts the whole point of this thing was to be casual and alt friendly not have high ranking endgame gear. Most players like myself don’t get involved in the hamster wheel Ilv grind no offense to those who do but if it’s not a PERMANENT account unlock like TMog mounts or world unlocks i don’t care about it. If you want delves to last all season long and be good content for casual people like myself than the whole way brann and season journey is progressed needs to be changed. Regular delves are pointless if you can’t level up brann and do the delve journey in them especially true for Alts.
Source that you are like "most players" please. I think I am like "most players", I enjoy better gear AND Xmog.
Look, you be you, but the problem with people like you is when you ASSUME you are the majority voice and everyone has to play by your rules and wants.
You say you don't want gear, you just want casual delves?
Fine... stick to Delves tier 1 through tier 3... you won't get any gear, but you can do Delves all day long... just don't bother the rest of us who FINALLY have a way to get better gear without being forced to only do group runs on a timer.
I know the majority of people like me (I can make up percentages too) prefer a way to get better gear going solo that isn't timed. You do you... enjoy low level Delves with no gear rewards... let the rest of us (the majority) get better gear our way.
Everyone wins!
I'm so tired of blizzard seemingly not knowing what they are doing. I was excited for delves being a completely solo player. I used to lead a Cutting Edge Mythic Raiding guild for 8 years and that's not the life I want anymore. I got home later in the evening on the night those first hotfixes came out and I felt like i had 'missed out'. Yes, i realize there's still months to gear, but I'm playing WoW NOW and I don't play for a whole season. It just feels terrible when they promise something and then make mistake after mistake after mistake with the delivery. These people have been doing this shit long enough and it's always the same excuses.
I like delves a lot except for the fact many bosses require a class that has in infinite pool of interrupts to prevent being insta-dead. If your class/spec doesn't have a lot of interrupts or the one interrupt you have is a very long cooldown then you cannot do high level delves.
News flash: Blizzard doesn't know how to balance content for all their classes.
This was the problem with Horrific Visions. My Prot Pally & DH had no problems going through them. Sure, it was a challenge w/the masks since I wasn't raiding or doing M at the time but it was doable. Trying to do the same content with a Warlock who had one interrupt (besides fear if it worked) that was on a cast timer longer than the boss took to cast the spell SUCKED!
I'm gonna call BS on this... is it easier with more interupts? Of course it is... is it impossible with no or few interrupts? No, it's not.
Most of the boss fights have many things that can insta-kill you, yes indeed... but there's an answer to pretty much all of them.
1) interrupt
2) run (put distance on an AoE)
3) pop defensive
4) get out of the way
5) Brann heals you know, do the potion dance
If you can't do one of them (like no interrupt available) usually one or more of the other options will prevent a Death.
Literal one shot mechanics are usually dealt with a get out of the way and/or powerful AoEs usually tick to killing you which can be dealt with either an interrupt, distance, defensive or health boosts during the ticks (self heals, potions, stones or Brann potion dance).
If you just throw up your hands blame interrupts only and say it's impossible... you're just not trying all the options if you just blame interrupts and nothing else, that's on you.
As a player whos not really invested in guilds (im a dirty guild hopper just looking for my next aotc clear); delves are AMAZING! I love how when i die to a boss, im able to take my time, repair, eat(irl too), and swap talents/specs to adapt, with no pressure from having to 'pause' the game for others. I spend alot of time in delves looking around for treasures, which also helps me soak in the amazing work the devs put into creating the environments, its very immersive, relaxing/stressful at the same time, and overall a BIG WIN!!!
If youre new to delves/wow, and youre unable to clear solo, dont feel pressured to sit in the pug 'queue', unfortunately its full of people looking for carries/meta specs, being declined 15 times in a row doesnt feel good, and dungeons are a better form of group content anyway; delves are most fun when you can take as much time as you want to gather/fish, look for treasures, or just take a 5 minute break inbetween mobs/bosses.
It’s completely broken since the hotfix. It’s all down to what class and spec you now play when doing solo delves. Even playing lvl 4 delves that were okay are now mega hard on certain classes/specs now forcing people to group or play specs they don’t like. No one says anything about making the content face roll but even groups find it hard to do lvl8 content now. They have to fix it asap
no need to fix it for others that do fit ( i totally get what you said and agree about specs there) but I'm done now and dont need to return.. ever..
Groups find it hard because it's harder in groups now. I don't see any difference doing it solo. 8's are doable even on my alt rogue at 575ivl.
T8 seemed a very little harder but still can be solo if you play the right class. Blizz needs to tune classes that all of them can solo t8 delves. 596 shadow and i cant clear the last boss in the waterworks. The fire aoe just kills me the second time he does it. I was doing solo t8 on my ww monk and it had 572ilvl just cuz i can heal instantly for 1.6m every few seconds. Priest cant do that.
@@Vandiekins literally same, 596 spriest and dont have enough defensives to survive all the damage output
T8 delves are giving hc raid gear. Thats before m+ even started. So its ok if youre struggling with a t4 or t5... or did you wanted t8 to be easy so you can complain there isnt a challange and gear is being handed out freely without skillcurves, like we did for a few expanions...?
I got tired of getting 1 shot and haven't played in 2 days. I'm so frustrated with this "solo" content that I don't even want to log in anymore. Delves were the reason I decided to give wow another chance, but they missed the mark... by a long shot
I hope they fix delves before all the casuals stop playing. My wife only has 2 hours a day to play with me and getting one shot non stop by trash in the feature that brought us back to wow made her quit....
584 paladin doing a level 5 just humming along and then one shotted, all my health gone in one hit....
Wait for people telling you need to progress more with gear.
iv solo'd T8s with my 580 paladin, dk and DH today. just dont sit in 1shot mechanics....
I soloed tier11 on my prot paladin, 593 ilvl. Literal skill issue
@@ryankings6755 stop trolling
I finished T8 last night was a 570 unholy dk. Need to test if it's they same now
My take is delves should've been restricted to 1 or two players at most, and scaled around that.
Yep! It’s obvious Blizz intended delves to be aimed exactly at solo/small groups without specifically saying so, so made them accessible to full groups to avoid backlash about that. So of course, with sweatlord raiders/Mplus players having access of course they are going to want it to be tailored to their wants. Delves have the potential to be SUCH a permanent and awesome form of endgame for casual/solo/small group players for the foreseeable future if they don’t fuck it up. It’s what brought me back instead of just playing FF14, and I imagine many many people in a situation like mine were brought back by delves too.
As someone who runs a whole bunch of alts, I'm hoping Delves will remain solo-friendly for the sake of getting decent gear, without worrying about lining up for groups and being rejected at every turn because our class cannot tank or heal. The issue with the companion (Brann) so far is that they're more effective as damage dealers than as a healer, but that's a role that the vast majority of players already cover, while healers and tanks are much harder to find. Weren't the companions supposed to fill in a role that your class couldn't?
Brans experience is shared across your warband. Means he will level quicker than your characters of your running multiple. I run a shaman, warrior and hunter, my bran is level 28, makes a huge difference. Can comfortably do tier 7, even push to an 8 and I'm undergeared and never do raids or mythic. It's a fab activity for people with alts 😊
@@MrGodlymuppet It's worth noting that past level 15, Bran will only get experience from Bountiful Delves, so you can't just do regular delves for the sake of pumping up Brann at that point. My point being is that Brann being noticeably better at a DPS role than he is at healing kind of defeats the purpose of him covering different roles that your current character may lack, especially if you don't roll a healer or even a tank.
I really hope delves get put into old world areas too
I have not played group content for the past several expansions.
I have played since the beginning with some gaps. I once belong to a mid level raiding guild. It was fun.
I have never had the unlimited time commitment to play and get the gear needed for to play at higher levels.
When I started the guild was really good at explaining what your role was in the raid, the mechanics, but most of all patient. They helped run dungeons and again they helped, because others were new too, or for those playing a different spec.
Unfortunately over time the guild ended.
I tried doing pugs, even other guilds. But it was totally not the same. I would get kicked from dungeons, yelled at, loot given to others.... I guit the game for awhile.
Came back tried LFG, yup same thing. Rude, inconsiderate... mythic well if you don't have the gear many don't want you tagging along.
So I have not seen the inside of many dungeons, nor a raid ,nor anything mythic. Unless you count solo low level dungeons just to see what was inside 😅.
I only was able to watch the end cut scenes of these raids etc, when they were posted on TH-cam lol.
I did not do the mage tower.
But when torgest happened it was a game changer. My pace, my gear, my rewards, win or lose... no being told your a horrible player, being kicked, etc. I learned without the rude inconsiderate people.
When DF did follow dungeons that was the first time in years for myself to do a dungeon.
Playing the game is fun, but not doing dungeons, mythic, raids etc and the way blizzard made the game to be so focused on end game play it was like playing half a game. You don't get the experience the entire game.
I admit I have not purchased the TWW. I am tired of playing half a game... lol even getting some mounts you need to find a group...
Am on the fence, but I do like what I have been reading about delves and the follower dungeons. I just wish you could get good gear or rewards from a follower dungeon. DF did not, but I was able see what there were all about.
delves are awesome... for the specs that it works for. soloing delves on some specs is just masochistic.
I like to think at this early stage there're certain ways to approach it, in this case focusing on crowd control, kiting, line of sight etc.
The gear will come and the trend will shift towards your own performance as you can better hold your own, in the meantime you're learning the different encounter mechanics, mob placements, how the stories work etc.
@@SoulSoBreezy as of right now, with a lvl 36 brann, i afk them on my prot warrior/survival hunter, but my priest is basically unable to do them at the same ilvl
@@SoulSoBreezy The line of sight doesn't work on some casters, they keep casting through the walls. There seems to be a lot of bugs, compared to dungeons, unfortunately. If I remember right Torghast was more finished in start, though it still had it's share of very annoying mobs and scaling issues.
Should be solo only for delves.. groups have plenty to do
It shouldn’t be a step that’s the problem. That’s what’s making them suck. Now they’re required. Now they’re a job.. now you gotta do homework.
Just let them have mythic track gear and let people have fun even if they’re bad at the game
I am a big fan of the delves and follower dungeons. I used to do group content with a mid range raiding guild for nearly 15 yrs and these last few expansions I have run solo. Between the high chances of finding elitism in game and the hassles of guild drama happening I very rarely touch group content. As I got older, and because of the nerve damage in my hands, I no longer can react as fast as I could in my younger days which made finding mythic plus dungeons harder for me to get done.
Delves need some tuning.. I jumped into a lvl 8 and died twice within the first two pulls. The damage the mobs pump out need to be adjusted and gear needs be better..
crowd control, 100%
Forget soloing a delves as a balance Druid now. I could handle a few mobs but now they all hit like a truck and I can’t no longer go higher than a 4. Bran is not helping at all.
It was fun but Blizzard has made solo content unsoloable.
Same here, the effort just doesn't seem worth the reward anymore. I do hope they tune the damage bursts and mob health some.
Learn to not face tank everything? Level up Brann (a feature of the system), let him DPS and he will start to kill most things pretty well. Just pull with a moonfire, let him tank it and help him and help keep him alive. Use his abilities. Don’t be afraid to use your keys on a 4 or 5 for gear if you are lacking.
@@keithb6344 Why does everyone assume when you have trouble that you pull everything on the map? I used to be able to handle a bad pull of 3-4 mobs. Now I’m lucky if I survive 2 mobs.
Oh and forget Underdeep with its waves of mobs.
My Bran is level 15 and struggle in both his roles.
I thank you for your advices, but I tried it. Balance Druid is too broken for these so called hot fixes. Delves were made especially for us solo players in mind and the raiders and mythic players ruined it yet again by abusing it
@@madcalibur9410I was speaking as a balance Druid that has no mythic or other delve gear. My Druid I use for framing. I did some just to try it out and 7s were tough but I completer two of them already. Level up your Brann.
Balance druid, same. Not everyone will be mythic or raid geared over time: I won't. With a tank friend it was ok but yesterday it was like hitting a wall. Let's see what today's change do because yesterday, even the guildies mythic geared were dying. Later in the season won't be better if we are denied even the gear from Delves.
My biggest frustration with delves right now is that the “best” way to do them is in a group despite them clearly being targeted for solo players. If this doesn’t change asap, I worry blizz is letting victory slip from their hands
Delves are unplayable either way currently.
@@wiziek I bet you haven't even tried.
@@stuartfury3390 More like you haven't tried them since thursday/friday unless you are talking about something like level 1-3 delves.
@@wiziek Doing 8's right now. Did 7's and 8's with undergeared friends last night. It's not easy, but what's the point in doing them if they're just a zerg?
@@stuartfury3390 Mhm sure you are doing it, in your dreams.
I am firmly the type of player Delves were aimed at, and I am loving them. I had no expectation of immediately doing 8's day one, I expected to progress over the season. IMO Delves are fantastic in concept, admittedly poor in execution, but we should have fully expected a solo friendly spec agnostic end game pillar to require a metric ton of iteration and tweaking to get right. I recognize they have a lot of problems, and the hotfixes were messy. I just hope Blizzard are listening to the true Delve audience, the people who these were designed for and not the visitors who will be gone in a few weeks.
I HATE PVE and somehow I like these delves lol. I mean I loathe every quest, don’t like dungeons or raids. I play Survival Hunter in PvP and that’s it. The delves so far have been fun though. I went around and ran every single one of them and didn’t and still don’t care about the rewards at all. I play for fun not “rewards” back in the day games were fun just to play, that’s how PvP is to me, and not just a grind for some carrot on a stick. Glad you’re enjoying them too, I was shocked to be lol
I think this is me. Lol.
I enjoy the delves! I can’t always do a dungeon, I like the “lower stakes” gameplay. I can play dungeon like content at my own pace and still get some loot/rewards!
Love them so far.....way more than I thought I would. Waxface is the only one I haven't been able to solo at tier 8 so I just skip that one.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE delves! I feel like WoW is for me now! It's finally delivering on the promise it's held for 20 years for me. I am so happy. I play mostly solo, sometimes duo with friends or family, and occasionally large group or easy group content. I don't enjoy high pressure, competitive environments, but I do LOVE challenges, solo or cooperative. I cannot overstate how thrilled I am. I trust scaling and tuning will come in time.
There needs to be more solo content. I'm mostly a solo player and I'm ilvl *600* for 1 week after they released.
And now I have to start playing Mythic+ with people, which means, no more solo for me. I don't know what's the best way to proceed, but for example, they could make 12 delves with difficulty options for them, but first 3 delves go up to maximum of 584 ilvl, next 3 go to 597, next 3 to 610 and final 3 to 623 and you need to complete all difficulties on every 3 to unlock the next tier. And as those packs of 3 goes further, they become harder, with more environmental mechanics and also looking fancier, taking longer to complete etc etc. So in this way, a solo player will have a biiig and long journey ahead of him until he reaches the final 3 and starts getting 623 drops. And they can release them in time. First 3 in the 1st week, next 3 in the 3rd week etc. So when I'm done with the delves and have time to spent, I can do other content, waiting for the next 3 to come. I really want to spend the time and put the hard work to grind myself up to 623 for example, but currently...I made it to 600 in a week and I have to start playing with groups again. So the big and revolutionary new thing in WoW was finished by me for a week. Realistically, without delves, I would've reached this ilvl in a month, probably? So it saves me some time, that's all it does. Cool but...yeah.
It's a very very nice step forward tho, this whole thing will evolve and mature over time and new ideas will be implemented.
Delves are my endgame. I have no interest in mythic plus or raids outside of raid finder. I want to level a bunch of characters and collect cool stuff without having to rely on random people.
I feel like I’m one of the players Delves were made for. I’ve been playing since Vanilla, mostly with IRL friends, but as life goes on most have moved on and retired or play less frequently and I haven’t been part of a raiding guild since BfA and trying to find PUGs stresses me out. I was very excited to have a real progression path with Delves and I’m still excited and hopeful it all comes to fruition. I’ve enjoyed them so far, although yesterday’s did feel a bit more punishing but still got through it. Having this has also made me more open to trying to do more PUG or queued group content than previous expansions since I’m not as worried about being so far behind on iLvl and not being able to catch up without an active guild or group. I’m looking forward to Blizzard finding a good balance with their difficulty and seeing this continue to become a real evergreen pillar of the game.
Leave delves SOLO. We do want that. If you want to group up do dungeons or raids. Tune delves only around solo content. Should never have allowed more than 1 player.
Solo is great but being able to group with my spouse or my spouse & a friend without having to pick up the rest is sooooo nice. I think Brann should be the '5th' member however. If you want 5 man content, do dungeons /shrug.
Means alot of players like solo content with the option to do group if they want to not made to
I find it pretty unsatisfying that the max level reward from bountiful tier 8 delves in not fully upgradable without doing m+ or heroic raids. I am not saying that I want the rewards to be higher ilvl, but having these pieces equipped that tell me to do the content that I don't want to do doesn't feel great. It's what they did to raiders that had to farm AP to get the most out of their raid gear, but now they do it to solo players.
I felt that too, but then I remembered if I'm not gonna do high M+ or heroic raids why do I even need higher ilvl than 603? Just my own thought process
Imo the mats needed to upgrade the items should drop from the content you're doing. If you wanna push for higher gear then you enter the next level of difficulty by choice.
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The answer is the same as it has always been: To allow me to take on the challenges of my own choosing. Whether that's soloing dungeons, carrying guildmates, gathering renown quickly, clearing world quests more efficiently, contributing significantly to group content, or even things that are wilder and more ridiculous is entirely up to me.
I think this expansion has been a significant first step in bringing parity to the player base, and that's only going to continue when Microsoft sees how solo players equal more sub income.
You actually can convert lower crests into higher crests. So it IS possible without M+/raiding, just gonna be a real grind.
@@MiS_4n_THr0_pic_NiH_il.i5t Isn't the conversion rate pretty horrid or something..? And was there some prerequisite to be able to start converting them..? 🤔
This expac is awesome even with the problems. WOW is a place where players who make real money and who don't exist, is almost imposible these two types can coexist. In General "The community" will only transmit words that best suit it. That's why guilds are only useful for those who handle them and in general they are really bad for most players... in wow everything is based on the best armor and equipment, in order to have control in the mind of players promulgating stupid things like highest damage, Meta classes, IO, logs and sites that serve them in control like discord, addons, raider io, etc etc....that's why a large amount of players just want "SOLO" content cuz this days end game sux without it !!!! Fix the behavior of guild's will change this issue....and Delves is a great opportunity to offer new players a way to LEARN how to play they classes
One critically important little phrase in this video real stands out for me Soul - "small groups". Delves give us an amazing flexibility for the first time to solo something, or go in with multiple people up to a full dungeon group set (still extended by Brann). It has been an utter and total game changer for my wife and I, both of us have been soloing Delves and also grouping up together tackling them as a pair where we strategize completely differently - particularly for the bosses in higher tiers. It's a new form of the game, a new type of dungeon content, not just "groups" but "small groups". I don't get the rationale for some people who are arguing for "make them solo only"; how and why could this possibly make any sense? - the people asking for this can run them solo anyway, and by definition those people are not in competition with others.
I’m in the same boat! My wife and I I play together and it’s fun having content we can do just us. Thats what excites me the most about them. If only you could get anything past the first 4 of the week.
Guys tell me how do I find a wife that will play WoW with me. Would be a dream come true
Lets see after they reduce the rewards for bountiful chests to veteran track gear (which they will) if you have the same enthusiasm for them.
Husband and I also love to duo delves but the 'fixing' of the awful previous 'hotfix' is still making it very challenging. We're on T8 bountifuls which weren't face-roll before they 'fixed' them mid evening - so we were going to try a T9 bountiful the following night. We ended up doing another 8 bountiful and man it was a slog. The mobs HP had gone through the roof (trash mobs some had 40mil hp and end boss had 114million hp - between us we have 10 mil hp..) we did kill it but damn, it was a bit too tense lol
Delves are ok but I don’t really care because soon the gear from them won’t matter
I thought I was going to hate them, but I’ve fallen in love. The challenge, pace, and CC fills a hole that, for me, has been missing since Mythic+ released. Old school TBC dungeon style
The delves themselves are quite a fun feature, and the method of weekly keys/daily delves works nicely for my casual self.
It just feels like the movs health take foreeeever to get through
I hate the movs too.
I actually wish they would put a version of torghast in caverns of time where each floor has different types of enemies from across wow and warcraft history. Every num er of floors get a chest with gear and as you go higher up gear gets better (floor 5 explorer path, floor 10 adventure, floor 15 vet, etc). This could be evergreen to with scaling
That's a great idea - and a great way to inject little nuggets of lore and make them both accessible and relevant to all players on a constant basis.
tell that to the kobold mystic who juts hits for 3 mil for no raisins.
Gotta interupt
@@1337139 it's a melee hit not a cast
@@ninjatvlv6101 they don't melee for 3 mil.
The well geared players love delves. It's part of the raid and mythic+ fun now. But for the casual and world content players, it's too hard as squishy caster, especially since today's changes. If this was meant to help us access a few nice drops, we will never reach those because we don't have the gear to withstand the millions in damage of some hits! So good idea, another content as non-tank casual I will probably never do, though we were told it was for us. It also means goodbye to the transmorg and other fun stuff. RIP delves... back to wq, events and armies of alt.
It is for you. you just need to actually play and get good at it. I'm literally a squishy caster casual and I'm loving them.
Yeah they are tuning these for higher geared then someone casual with say a 560 or so ilvl. You grind and hope the item at the end from the coffer is something you need. I would suggest maybe making these items warband bound so if you get something you don't need maybe an alt can use it.
I hear ya, but you have more than eight Tiers of Delve difficulty to progress through, and a whole season to do it. You also have a companion, Brann, to progress during the season as well. So, when you say Delves are too hard for a squishy caster like yourself during the very FIRST week of the season, I have to ask; What is the tier level of the Delve you are trying to complete? What is the level of Brann himself? What is your current gear ilvl?
I think at least initially delves should be solo only, focusing on their target audience, and blizzard should be balancing them so the solo DPS, healer or tank had a positive experience.
Maybe someday provide group content, but first get the solo experience right.
I also think they should have made the release schedule more gradual with up to tier 3 initially, then maybe up to tier 6, and finally 7+. What you want to do is time the release of the nicer rewards so that raiders/mythic players are already off doing their own thing.
I am a solo player. I play solo cause I like to do things on my own and not on some schedule for a raid team. I haven't raided for a very long time, the last time I raided was Lich King. I Stop due to the fact how our guild at the time played favorites, gearing up those who had a so called had a name, and than once had their gear left the for another raiding guild. Ok a bit more personal than I wish to say. But than we saw how top raider were use their gear to sell runs. You are getting the picture. Now with have delves. The big hype of them were they were to be for the solo player, tho you could invite friends to join you. Delves should be for everyone I have to agree. On the other hand who are you rewarding? The solo play who soloed the Delve or the group? If a player solos the Delve should they receive better gear or maybe a title like the mage tower? I don't know what is fair, but if you are going to make this huge hype that is for solo players and trust me I know many content creators that fed this Hype! I Just know I wish to play the game and have fun! But it is frustrating with you play hard earn money for a something that is broken. I do apologize Soul, you are a good content creator, sorry for the Rant! Respect to ya!
I absolutely love delves. I’m glad bliz is working on fixing them. This is my favorite content in the game right now. Follower dungeons would be my favorite if I could choose the followers from my garrison or order hall or even my alts and scale to m+
Follower dungeons would be better if that damn hunter would stop disengaging into packs I haven't pulled... oh wait, that's LFG, no wait.... Game reality check here, brb.
Solo player here, solo in the sense that I don't do group content. For context, my main is a balance Druid, ilvl 567. I was very much looking forward to delves, and at this time, I am highly disappointed in them. Did a level 3 delve yesterday, a delve I was able to do without much problem a few days ago, and every encounter with gold mobs was like a boss fight. My interrupts either didn't work or the mob was immediately casting again. I was doing a bit of damage, but losing much more HP. My self-heal was nearly worthless.
After a half hour of that, I quit.
Right now, these delves are overtuned for my definition of solo player, one who is in mostly WQ gear and who isn't going to be doing group content. That I have to fight like hell to clear a delve level that likely would not have offered any ilvl slot upgrade is incredibly disappointing.
Honestly, I wasn't going to buy this expansion until I heard about Delves. If this doesn't work out, for any reason, well, I consider this to be their last shot, frankly.
I'm in a very similar boat - really disappointed in the way they ruined them with a hotfix. I was doing Tier 4 no problem earlier in the week but now after their "fix" I'm losing HP faster than I can react. These are base attacks from Kobalds hitting for 1.3 mil over and over - there is no interrupting it. Being that I know how much fun this content was bums me out at how bad it feels now. I'm not looking to hit delve 8's but god damn did they suck the fun and enjoyment out of it.
I really like the Delves although, I do play multiple toons and found some classes (mage for example) I dont even bother trying harder content without help, its just too frustrating. As for the slower start - myself and most of my guild really REALLY like the delay in releasing the hamster wheel, er, I mean M+ grind. I have heard some complain about it but, from where I sit, that's been few. I delay has made it way easier to enjoy the leveling process without the additional pressure of prepping for Raid. Its a tough one to balance in such a diverse population and I give credit for the attempt.
Delves are still out of whack for solo players. You can't survive unless you are the toughest badazz solo class. mages can forget it. They need to apply the same follower style group to delves. They still need groups cause Brann just sucks. Frackin sporebits 1 shotting a 4.7mil ret paly or close to it, only to immediately respawn on top of you, constantly.
ive been doing t8s on my mage solo all week
Get Bran leveled. It helps a ton. Don't be afraid to go to lower level delves to lvl Bran up then come back.
@@danielkerber8667 he's at 26 at the moment. The delves mechanics are just way out of whack. Mobs with as much health and damage output as a boss and then add in the adds that swarm you from another room.
I love delves. I love solo content. I loved the Brawlers Guild and the Green Flame Warlock quest.
I've been yearning for Quality Challenging Solo Content that is Fun. Delves Deliver on that
However I think Blizzard fucked up.
Delves are fun, and challenging
But Blizzard forced EVERYONE into doing delves.
What do I mean by forced? Well, if you want to be Mythic ready for next week, you NEED to farm as many delves as humanly possible.
I don't think they should have allowed Tier 8 Delves yet, letting that be the PINNACLE of gear for this week was a BAD idea.
If Delves are supposed to Compete with Raids and Dungeons for "Endgame content"
Why did they give us access to ALL delves, but not access to ALL dungeons/raids
They should have treated Delves the same way as other content, gate the BIG BALLER gear for the later week.
Especially since this has SOURED many people on delves. I think Delves are great, and I'm so happy to see them, but I hear from my Mythic+ Andies about how mad they are that they have to do them, and I think they're right, forcing players to do them (especially in this broken state) was a mistake.
If you love them, and other people don't, why're you letting their problems make you think "blizzard fucked up?" The people you're talking about are tripping themselves up over their self-inflicted pressure and it doesn't need to spill into your enjoyment.
Sounds rude but really, let em seethe. Stick to your happiness.
Delves are a goddamned mess right now.
I'm liking the delves, there fun they make you think about ways to get through. Like the in invisibility potion. Keep it up!
I love delves, been clearing tier 6 and 7 main, but i have taken one tier 8 delve. I like to progress in delves. I have currently 8 level 80 characters that have done 8 each delves each for the reward from great vault next week.
I was a sweaty player in my 20s. Now I have kids, work, other things I enjoy. I don’t play enough hours or at consistent enough times to do group content anymore. The promise of rewarding solo content sounds very good to me.
Delves were fun, but they mucked up the hotfixing, and now they're tedious solo (even at sub 8). Tedium does not equal hard, nor does it equal fun.
wasn't delves supposed to be solo content? They should make it solo, you shouldn't enter in group and that would solve some of the problems of scaling and damage, etc.
They were definitely supposed to be solo. The issue with making them solo only is rooted in blizzards need to make things "challenging".
Solo challenging for a dk, warrior, or paladin = completely impossible for most casters (especially developing evokers). If they make it doable for average casters, then that same dk, warrior, and paladin are indestructible unstoppable machines that clear it in a min 30 sec.
you have to make them a challenge if you want them to drop gear that is worth playing the mode for, if its to easy you cant have it drop gear even close to mythic iL which will make no one want to run them, it will become dead content for like 100 people like pet battles.
@@strugl3snugle245 no one has ever not run something because it was too easy.
This. Why are we even talking about scaling for groups. There should be no groups for it anyway, it was supposed to be solo. With a group it’s just a dumbed down m+ dungeon anyway, like why allow people to degen grind with a group in the first place?
@@Yerdone92 exactly
I always thought I was an ok player. It turns out Delves showed me how bad I actually am. I love the idea of delves, and I'm still excited about them. I think that, for me, it'll take me most of the season to get to Zekthirs Lair, if at all. I'm leveling a few toons up to 80 just to find a class/spec I enjoy playing AND can run delves well enough to get vault each week.
Hey Soul, what are your thoughts on giving players an option when making a character (or when ever), the ability to make your experience in wow Easy/medium/ or hard, scaling mobs, bosses, quests ect to make things easier or hard and scaling the EXP/ gear rewards along the way.
Weird, for lack of a better term.
One can easily choose a different gameplay style by self-capping their own item level and as they level mobs get stronger while they do not.
The feeling of difficulty gets weird as soon as other players jump in via queue or naturally out in the world.
Broadly, there're so many ways to "make world content more meaningful" that no matter what Blizzard does there's gonna be a LOT of groaning.
solo content that you need a group to do if you don't want to waste your keys and time.
I've been a hardcore raider (8 hrs a day 6 days a week MC, BWL, AQ, etc.), I've done solo casual, did PvP during BC, back to raiding in Wrath, back to solo casual w/Cata, started the LFG/LFR thing in Pandaria, etc. Can say I've done all but Mythic+/Mythic raid & I HATE having to pug. I did some M dungeons in BFA & SL but I hated doing even normal/heroics in DF. Delves are such a great opportunity. This is the first time in a long time I've had good gear in the first season w/o having to deal w/pugs or waiting for the WB to drop a piece. The thought of being able to gear up alts without having to find decent groups or pray for competent LFR's is a true relief. As a Prot Pally main I don't think being hit by 2-3 mobs for over 600k at a time from simple melee attacks, while 2 casters stand on opposite sides nuking the hell out of me is fun, but I know delves are a work in progress & I'm ok with that. I just hope they don't push them under the rug because the 'more vocal' minority says they suck or are useless because they aren't for them.
My partner and I have been playing since day one of vanilla (earlier than that, in fact). I have never seen her as excited about a feature in WoW as she has been about delves. Huge success.
As a solo player, I despise Delves even more than I despised Torghastly. The real problem is being constantly harangued to complete Delves for storyline content and upgraded gear. Sure, as a tank I can survive, but it takes ages and it’s absolutely frustrating to run the same content over and over.
I wish Blizz would make Delves follower content but I understand that’d be a pain to code and balance.
Yes! Look, I get that the pumpers are gonna complain that it's easy gear and everything, but who cares. It's a game. I don't believe I need to "earn" everything like a job. Just make it fun. Get easy good gear, let me go with followers. Let us do Heroic with followers too. All that. You want casual players to actually have fun... Do that. If M+ folks complain, who cares. If an NBA player says a 10 foot hoop is too low, do we make it 15 ft? No we don't.
I think from Blizzard's perspective, Brann IS the follower content for Solo Delves, while the regular followers are the content for Normal Dungeons. Blizzard does not expect a player to Solo Normal Dungeons without followers, and I don't think they expect a player to Solo Delves without Brann.
Been playing wow 20 yrs, enjoying delves with my bud every evening!
My biggest issue with delves is the lack of getting gear without keys. The ilvl of the gear drop is really low. It should at least scale with delves. Dungeons/raids drop higher level gear at higher difficulty without having to farm other items. It doesn’t even make sense, you have to do 8 delves a week to fully unlock the vault, but you can only get gear from 4. So half the delves you do have no point other than unlocking vault slots.
You can get more than 4 keys a week.
@@keithb6344 More? Like maybe 1 more from shards? Most likely less? Stop trolling.
I love Delves, and love even more that they are challenging and require a little bit more thought than a typical, "1234" rotation.
Stop trolling, something being impossible isn't hard.
I came back this week for TWW (after leaving in late BfA)... solo content is, at the moment, what I'm here for. And in fact, I've always loved solo or small group stuff. Remember MoP scenarios?
if they make delves too hard and not completable solo then they will just make a separate type of... dungeon... which we have already.
Delves are the only grind that i have enjoyed ever in this game. Brann is starting to be a real badass too because i have leveled it with 4 characters.
Brann progression SHOULD be the key to Delve progression for players during the Season. If not, then players who get to the point where they are able to do Tier 8 delves comfortably will no longer care to continue to level Brann.
Can tell you never used him as a "healer." Absolutely worthless as a healer.
@@christopherdaffron8115 They need to remove the requirement for bountiful delves to level Brann above 15.
Im loving the delves, although I’ve only done 4 bountiful t8s this week it’s been super rewarding! It’s nice to have challenging content I can do with my wife or some other friends and we have to actually strategize or small pull to complete. The first one we did we ended up bricking because we died so much but then we got the hang of it and it’s been so fun! And hay if someone wants to zoom through content and min max theirs then that’s fine by me. I however will be keeping this content as fun challenging content I can do with friends and playing the way we want to, and the specs we want to
They fixed delves so the progress bar for the season actually works yet?
The more solo content the better! Loving Delves. Fun with a group but not necessary. That’s the way it should be.
They ruined delves this morning, I can’t even clear tier 8 on my healer anymore bran does barely any dmg and my bran is level 30… he can’t hold aggro on my dps classes so I get like 3 tapped in solo runs with them.
Balancing this is definitely going to be a difficult task. I am a Resto Druid who likes to play solo content as Resto. I understand I am going to be weaker in terms of DPS, but there are players like that want to solo in a healing spec. I'm ilvl 583 and I struggled with tier 7 before the patch. But i did a tier 6 and it was VERY challenging but I made it through! It felt really rewarding and I hope they can continue this feeling. I also want them to have difficult for Group play, as I found it really fun!
What I wish is that Delves were solo only. Make some Delves group ones, sure. But make some only solo. Lock out the option for groups. Let me have straight up solo content.
Carlos, Ccan you tell us more about this? I truly want to understand this position. Why would solo-only help achieve what you want? Is it because the flexibility seems to make it difficult for Blizz to get the scaling right?
@@00Recoildo a degree, yes. Scaling will always be more difficult when dealing with scaling group sizes. Not to mention group synergies.
But more to the point, or at least my point. If it remains a group option then the metrics of its long term viability will be group based. And currently those numbers are inflated by people pre gearing. Once those groups fall off, and they will, it will, at least on paper, suggest a drop in popularity. A false reflection as the previous highs were people grinding gear bot actually trying to change themselves on a solo basis.
I like them so far. I just don't like having to switch my spec from dps to tank for some of the boss mobs
It's nice to have mobs that don't die in 2 hits and actually have a challenge where you feel like you accomplished something
One thing they should avoid is haphazardly hotfixing back and forth between extremes, that turns off players real fast. At least, I haven't been eager to try em since running into those bogus named mini bosses and getting completely hosed
delves are pretty cool just its kinda rough since im mostly a holy priest
I have really liked solo delves. I would be running more now but getting more keys can be tedious.
I love delves.
Most of my chars are Horde on a big horde server, but some of them are alli on a near dead server with lfr times up to 40 mins in prime time, and leveling dungeons take up to 10 mins, even as a healer.
Each delve has a quest with 86k (i think) xp as reward, making them very easy for leveling.
Today i played 6 delves at 5-7 with my destro wl, my mm hunter and my uh dk (each of them used 2 keys). None of them had problems (just use cc and potions). Great way of wasting some time and getting better gear.
And yes, I do think, for the reward you get, you should be able to get out of some aoes and kick some casts.
I'm enjoying the delves, my guild had groups running them yesterday and we had a blast. No speed runs in my guild I am usually the healer and if they speed off into mobs I let them die until they figure it out. My only complaint at the moment with delves is that they don't have guild achieves. If they are to be permanent I would have expected that there would be guild achieves as well.
I been playing since vanilla. My guild does normal and hc raiding and m+ dungeons but I prefer solo play with guild chat.
I didn't do any tww dungeons except the one for story so my Frost DK was pretty low geared when I started delving.
Defeated T8 with relative ease, have multiple 610 items on now as well as 603s and 3x 616 filled for the vault.
I'm having a blast with delves 😊
I really enjoy the delves. The only 2 tier 8s I haven't been able to solo on the mage so far is waxface and sinkhole. Gave up on waxface and didn't even try sinkhole cus I hate water levels. Item level 602 even with skipping those 2.
For decades I would only do extreme soloing. I would work so hard on finding a way to make gold, gear, challenge myself and have fun all by myself. Some examples: Firelands trash soloing as a hunter for BoEs / Rep. Level 60 Frost Mage solo farming Lord Incendius in BRD for Large Brilliant Shard farm. I would always seem to find a fun and challenging solo thing to do because I dont like competition in the open world, like gathering or pvp or rare / treasure hunting, i feel like thats too many bots and real world gold farmers. Group stuff might be more ilvl, but if I have to be in a guild show up on their schedule, hope 15 other people are good enough to get items, and then get lucky enough to get an item - its never been worth it for me. So now, I get to do EVERYTHING in a delve. Tier 6 farms Carved Crests, which can be turned into weathered for low ilvl alts, or 90 of them turned into 15 runed to upgrade champion gear. Zekvir shows up occasionally and gives me epics, bounty maps for 610 hero gear, and coins. Bountifuls give me a chance for end game comparable gear every single run. I can farm gold with profane tinderbox randoms. My alts get gear with warbound items. Even as a non gatherer, after an hour of delves, brann pulls up plenty of herbs ore and fish. Not to mention raw gold per hour is amazing. Never in my life did I think Id get a full wow end game experience covering all the bases in a solo environment. The kicker is this - there are NEAR INFINITE delves to do. 12 Delves, 4 scenarios = 48 variations. But wait, they can be backward or forward on the map, they can have a variety of mob types and spawn points, the herbs/ore/fishing pools are different every run making pathing different every run. Its literally thousands of solo raids to run in 10-15 min. Im mind blown.
Because of the state of my life, I’m an active duty army LTC who is married with 5 kids, I don’t get to do reading the way I did in 2004-2008 - but I still play. Usually I end up as a expansion tourist who keeps playinggn any paying but stops logging in after the thrust of the first patch (maybe the next few patches of the expansion is good) to see the story and play the dungeons and maybe LFR. I am more engaged in wow than I have been since … WOD, or maybe the first patch of legion. So I think for the audience type I am a member of, it’s working.
And here is the other thing. I’m not good at this game anymore, nor do I have the time to get good. I am ok with the fact that clearing a level 5 bountiful delve takes all of my life’s but I can beat it. Tier 8 should be beyond my skill level as it should equal heroic raids. With enough reps and time, I expect to get there. For now, I will try a level 6 bountiful today and I expect a 50/50 chance that I beat it. And I’m ok with that
And it autocorrected from raiding to reading. I don’t get to do raiding lol
I personally have been LOVING delves. I really dont like the toxic atmosphere of mythic dungeons so me and my irl buddy have been 2 manning tier8 pretty easily! I play a prot paladin and solod tier11 so maybe i just play a good class for solo but ive been having a blast and im swimming in 603/610 gear!
I like the concept of Delves. I have some issues with the first implementation. I think solo was over tuned and group was under tuned. The current tuning isn’t perfect, but already better. I played M+ in the past and raided in the very past. I think Delves suit me much more these days than M+ and raids. But there are still issues that have to be addressed, like crest acquisition. There are runs where I don’t get any crests at all. The discount for both crest as stones should be fixed as soon as possible.
Delves were marketed as solo content and they should BE balanced for solo content.
As long as I can progress by myself, I'm happy.
Been running tier 8 delves solo (on prot warr, aff lock and rsham). Mainly positive, but some weird scaling issues like unavoidable damage on last bosses that just isn’t survivable even though rest of the delve went fine. So far at least one bountiful per day has doable in my 570-580 gear.
Soul!!!!!! Love your channel !!!!
I really believe that Delve groups should be limited to two ppl. And disabling Bran while in groups.
The ONLY reason for Brann existence is to help the Solo player complete the Delve. I agree that Brann should not be included in a group doing a Delve. That may even address some of the balancing issues between Solo and Group Delves.
But you dont get xp for Brann if he's not in so if youre someone who groups alot, your Brann will be so low level that he'll be totally useless when you have full t7-t8 gear gotten with a grp.
Edit: now that i think of it, it probably is better that Brann joins your party than not so he can be powerful for you to help solo? You struggle with a t8 delve, you do it with a grp and level Brann while doing so and he will be stronger for when you go in solo. Stupid mechanic i know but just a thought ive got
@@RidoDragojust give follower exp for everyone on delve complete if it's a big problem imo
@@1337139 yeah but giving him xp while not being there seems so off to me. I hate these kinds of automations in games; do this and get free xp somewhere for free without using or doing it...
I’ve been loving delves, they are the perfect content for me. I’ve been running tier 7s on my destro lock - challenging but very doable. I never expected to go into 8s straight away despite content creators suggested this was what you should do. I actually expected only to be able to do 5s this week for the veteran gear and then progress later. I think they should have been capped at 5 for the first week to avoid groups spamming them for easy loot. I’ll be happy when that crowd move onto M+ to stop the complaining drama about the recent new tuning.
I wonder what will happen when we're in raid tier 2 and 3. Will it be left to die or will it keep pushing the gear level and difficulty up? I really love Delves though
As the target audience I think delves have potential but they have me concerned because of the way they decided to balance them. IMO the best way they could make delves challenging is to lean into the mechanics of the delves. That and they should tune the life and damage of the empowered packs not the whole instance.
If I die because I didn't move out of a trap then I can learn and improve. If I die to tiny trash mobs who can melee me with unavoidable damage that is not fun. These need to be fun for me to get hooked and do regularly.
I loved the mage tower and the green fire quests when they came out. They were a big challenge but felt doable if you could properly do the mechanics. Delves right now feel like I am locked at a level till I can get enough health and gear to survive. One of those feels artificial and one feels like a fun challenge to work at.
As a mainly solo player that prefers mage I’m loving delves as solo content. Managed to solo a 10 last night! Gonna see if I can manage an 11 before reset. It’s refreshing that CC is useful and almost necessary again
"Cleverly", the only times Delves were positively received were when they were erroneously bugged to become EASIER when playing with friends AND when Brann was so powerful he basically did the content for you. That's what makes players happy, easy breezy content and loot raining from the sky, not challenge.
Ah right because when they are too hard it is okay too? They weren't clearly balance before, they were too hard solo (try doing it on priest, mage etc) and not that straightforward in groups bigger then 2, no idea what killed me and half of party, it was just 1 shot during least boss instead of burning us very low.
Currently running around and barerly doing any dmg and letting bran tank isn't really feasible especially if you can't heal yourself.
For me personally, and only during this first week of season 1, it sucks that you can get higher iLevel gear in Delves compared to what’s available in dungeons. I feel somewhat pressured into doing them, but from next week onwards I‘ll probably not going to bother. Putting that aside, I‘m a big fan of the concept of giving solo players and small groups a form of endgame progression
Time Stamp 7:50 ; Yes, all the issues you listed that Blizzard has to face when designing Delves are challenging. However, Blizzard has had the experience of Horrific Visions in BFA and Torghast in Shadowlands to draw from. In addition, Blizzard had a FULL development cycle, including an Alpha and Beta, to get it right. I personally, don't give much slack to Blizzard at this point given the major changes they are making to Delves during the FIRST week of the new Season.
Soul always has his head up Blizzard's ass. Expect him to always make excuses, even invalid ones to support them.
Remember when alpha came out and only the cool kids got to play? They all said, "Delves are too easy, they're crap." So when beta was released, the delves were so difficult that players couldn't finish them, but at least the cool kids didn't complain on youtube. That whiplash led directly to the scaling confusing we see now.
I've played wow since Whizbang Dustyboots posted his report of F&F alpha gameplay on Graffes back at the beginning. I was a raider until right around Cata, when the career, wife and kids and other interests made me a lot more casual. I generally play twice a week on Wednesdays for 2-3 hours and on Saturdays for 3-4. I joined a guild during DF that raids normals and we have a handful of sweats who love M+ as well. All that said, I am an outlier in the casual space because I enjoy YT content and I'm not shy about occasionally posting comments.
I suspect that most who play wow as little as I do don't consume much outside the game itself and aren't offering feedback in the traditional sense. I'm concerned that delves in particular are going to get plenty of feedback from the more hardcore/optimizer crowd and the squeaky wheel will get the grease. For my part, I love the idea of delves, but they don't feel particularly great with a caster DPS spec. Especially if the player, like me, isn't particularly optimized already. Like follower dungeons, they aren't particularly great for XP on the way to 80, and the reward system isn't rewarding in the same way a "rare" drop from an old school MMO was.
I'm not sure what can be done to provide a more satisfying experience for the casual player, other than ramping up the rewards for true solo players a bit to offset the optimized group meta typical in M+. Even that is certain to have unintended consequences if not managed with care. Thanks for the content, Soul. I appreciate you!
Well broken down. I am so happy to see that there are others like me. No, I will not expand on that, just know that other posters are very appreciated, thank you.
I really like delves but they're easier with groups. With solo, you have to be really good at using your entire toolkit. Such a great alternative to M+!