Great work. I've felt like I'm going crazy for years hearing this. Michael Cimet's book on Kubrick and Lee Unkrich's book on The Shining put some of this to bed as well.
This is a good video. I've always wondered about that Dr. Phil interview but I could never force myself to watch it. I hate the idea that he exploited her and I don't like seeing that happen to people. She didn't deserve that at all.
100% agree! Shelley didn't deserve to be exploited as well as any person who was in the spotlight for years and retires. I never wanted to watch the Dr. Phil episode because I don't like the "Jerry Springer" platform/freak show, but I was forced to watch it because of this Rob Navarro conspiracy. And a few youtube channels annoyed me because they were "referencing the Dr. Phil episode" as proof that Stanley Kubrick messed her up, so I had to rewatch this Dr. Phil episode 3 times! And there is NOTHING on that episode that Shelley calls out Stanley as being very mean to her. And only to her. It's a rough episode, don't recommend it. And while digging up the OTHER Shelley Duvall mistreatment rumors I'd learned that 99.9% is internet made up stuff. My wife thinks there has to be something I'm missing but I'm not finding it. And I don't think it exists. I do think it's interesting to find out that Shelley was injured in Time Bandits (sounds like she had a concussion - which seems like a huge deal in sports). I hope she had that taken care of but I'm not finding any other stories of the injury. And most likely in the 1980's - she brushed it off. Thanks for watching.
@@tankardoftales4645 I might get into this in my upcoming Coffee Break. But it just seems like there's a lot of Kubrick hate going on. A lot of unsubstantiated stories that he was a bad guy, with absolutely no evidence to back them up. Something is up! I'm thinking his movies pissed off the establishment and they're just now realizing what he truly revealed about them. That's why these analyses are important. I think people like us need to keep an eye on this. Something is waiting to be revealed, IMO.
@@theobjectofart Seems like something strange is happening. I think Cancel Culture is looking for another target and Stanley Kubrick has a bullseye. I think it's a unfair cancelation because the original sources (stuff that Shelley said were taken out of context) are not hard to find. It makes me believe those jumping on canceling Stanley Kubrick are reactionary from an earlier besmirching video. Did someone from the establishment started the rumor? Maybe John Kim has a good idea? He seems to know all about the establishment connections. I think it's the snobs in the Oscars that started the rumor. Shelley's comment was aimed at the movie critics and the Oscars. She was hurt by the razzes nomination. I'm excited for your coffee breaks. Just don't worry about rushing the videos. This silly video took almost a month for us to make.
@@tankardoftales4645 the me too movement generated a lot of stories for the media. They might have been trying to manufacture a narrative just to get a good story, or it could have been something more nefarious. I have come to the conclusion that in an interview that is going to be broadcast/ published, one should treat it in the same way as you would if you were giving testimony in court. You are being tried in the court of public opinion, and the interviewers have an agenda, just like a prosecutor would.
This whole Shelley narrative is so silly. She herself spoke very highly of Kubrick and said she did indeed have a very hard experience making the Shining but not that she was “abused” in any way. She did say she went through a breakup and indeed SK is a very demanding director (as most great directors are). She said she grew more as an actress during that year than on any other film. So yeah, this is all people making up stuff for their own reasons. Whatever her problems have been in recent years it’s a huge stretch to say it was due to her experience on the Shining. Unless these people know more about her than she herself knows which is preposterous.
A pinch of salt about "poor, pathetic Shelley Duvall!" and what Kubrick - the vile beast! - did to her: let me see if I have this correct: she was so damaged by working with Kubrick that she went on to do another 19 films over the next twenty years. During that time, she created and executive produced a string of television series, acted in over two dozen television films, and hosted several television shows - which she also occasionally wrote for. Wow - Kubrick really did a number on her! He destroyed her so badly it took nearly twenty years for his cruelty to exact its toll! Dr. Phil showed us! During her post-Kubrick period, she was so traumatized she wound up with two Primetime Emmy nominations, a Peabody Award, and seven CableACE Awards (and 14 nominations). No doubt about it, working with Kubrick - the vile beast! - ended what could've been a successful career. He has a lot to answer for, the swine! Thank Goodness that finally, with decades of hindsight - and people repeating the same stories thanks to Dr. Phil - we've been able to reduce her entire career to a cliche! I'm glad Kubrick, who died in 1999, is being punished for his entire career. Burn the films! Die, monster, die! 🙄
@@tankardoftales4645 I think we both do our best to defend Kubrick: a genius who faked the moon landing, destroyed the lives of everyone he worked with, and was murdered by the Illuminati for not including full-frontal nudity of Nicole Kidman in his final film. Our work is cut out for us, Tankard O'Tales! Have a safe and wonderful week, wherever you are! 🐧
@@TheStockwell I think Kubrick and Shelley are victims for this strange hoax. Do you think this hoax was created by the establishment? It sounds like it. When I was digging into the mistreatment mystery I came to the belief that somebody partial remembered the 1980 Ebert Interview and assumed it was in context to Stanley making it hard on her, I would believe this was pre internet days (Mid 1990's or very early 2000's) where people don't know how to find the sources because they are not in the internet. But I would believe after 2008, people have found and read the 1980 interview and find out that Shelley was talking to the Movie Critics for overlooking her hard work. So maybe somebody is purposely pushing a false narrative? or maybe we just got too many people wanting to cancel Stanley Kubrick because they are mindless trolls.
@@tankardoftales4645 My guess would be the final possibility you offered mindless trolls. We live in an age in which people think rewriting, reinterpreting, contradicting, or totally trashing known history and people is some sort of respectable activity. As soon as something happens, you'll see people saying that isn't what happened - or that the truth is being withheld by Sinister Forces or some other spooky thing. You name it and it's bound to be a conspiracy attached to it. The weather, the death of a well-known person, anything political, food, leash laws, a new album by Taylor Swift - it's all the work of the mysterious and powerful Elites. When it's *not* the mysterious and powerful Elites, it's the work of our shape-shifting Reptilian Overlords! It's, you know, nuts how people believe nothing but imagine everything. I'd write more, but I need to shower and get dressed for my weekly QAnon bowling night. Tonight's theme: the hidden links between Satanism and chocolate chip cookies. 👹 + 🍪
To be fair, I believe they also very idiotically gave Stanley Kubrick a Razzie for director so they were just stupid! Y’all have to remember, this was late 70’s, early 80’s so things were different
It was different. Agree. I think Shelley Duvall really hurt by the razzies nomination. The Ebert interview was her way tell critics like Ebert that she worked very hard to play Wendy and all they did was focus their attention of Stanley Kubrick. Where they stupid? I think heavy influenced by Stephen King bitching about the Shining and a jealousy of Horror was a very popular genre. In the late 1990's Siskel and Ebert said they should never gave reviews of horror films because they viewed horror differently.
Talking about the Dr Phil Show? I agree it's a very hard show to watch. Although, my attraction to the show started with all the "robotic TH-camrs" seemed to connect Shelley Duvall mistreatment of Stanley Kubrick to the Dr Phil Show. And naturally, I saw nothing in the Dr Phil Show that connects Shelley's Issues to Stanley Kubrick. Then I had to find another version of the Dr Phil Show just to make sure what I'm looking for was not edited out. Then I watched a 3rd time, this time to prepare for my video. I do not recommend anybody with a conscience to watch any of the Dr Phil Shows, it's one of the worst exploitations shows around.
I think thr behind-the-scenes shows a clear picture of events. Kubrick was bullying her a bit but she was being a bit of a whiner, too. The multiple takes are crazy but I don't think he mistreated her anymore than any other taskmaster, misogynistic boss did in 1980.
I've watched/read ton of Shelley Duvall interviews. She highly respected Kubrick. I think to the point that she changed from an actress to a movie producer/director/filmmaker. There an interesting 1998 interview she's plugging her new horror series and credited her experience in the Shining. I'm not sure as for the motive for making Kubrick a monster, it does make the conspiracies that he was assassinated for Eyes Wide Shut is a possibility.
I heard a clip of her insinuating that he mistreated her, and even Jack Nicholson commented on how it was a very "different" experience, for Shelly. The man that played Dick Halloran claimed mistreatment, and would shake and be visibly upset just trying to talk about it.
@@tankardoftales4645 yeah I've seen a few of those too... But this one is the most recent I have seen. When she says the end justified the means... The means was hurting her so she appeared truly hurt on screen, ya know what I mean? I've seen other stuff about how they weren't allowed to speak to her and stuff like that, or allowed to comfort her if she was hurt or crying etc. th-cam.com/video/xOlzponEKbs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8-qjh0jNVxx4Sk1y
@@tankardoftales4645 oh yeah,I found it; forgot it was a short! This one has Shelly describing it being tumultuous (though I've seen that longer interview and she has positive things to say...I guess, ss positive as they could be lol).... But this also showed Jack trying to delicately say that he had a great time filming but it was very different for Shelly. th-cam.com/users/shorts2dyjlwvc__Y?si=dZdzSawn8jDtuUGA
I totally understand about the reading I can read to myself but sometimes still stumble but reading out aloud its a mumble blur even if I'm just reading to my child I'm stumble over my words just speaking I have my partner read a lot for me The hair conversion seems like it was them joking with each other look at shells smile My partner and me joke like that if others heard it they would think we was aholes to each other and shouldn't be together I've had people even mention it lol I'm like nah we good 😊😂❤
Shells was NEVER forgotten but she was ready to live her life in private and yes phill is a jerk I didn't watch the interview because it was him doing the what he calls inveiwing btw Phil boy got his License Revoke
I hate reading! I don't like my voice and I know I'm going to stumble on people's names... That's why I have my wife do it. And these articles are very important too because they tell the full context for the story and when we only see the snippets of it - it does make it sound that Stanley was a monster. But Shelley's complaint was aimed at the movie critics.
@@iiisaiahhh I know she was never forgotten but I know the reason behind the interview was to give Phil a "gold metal' for canceling Stanley Kubrick's legacy. The interview was painful to watch. And I watch it 3 times. I know the interview was also heavily edited to make Shelley look nuts. But if you do watch the video, in the first 5 minutes you can see her calling Dr. Phill a Roosevelt (Which implies he lied to her about the interview...) I'm happy Shelley acting in a low budget horror movie.
Regardless what I believe, I posted all facts that shows Stanley Kubrick didn't mistreat Shelley Duvall. Also, according to the Ebert interview (the one often taken out of context) Shelley Duvall was experiencing an issue from an injury she received from filming Time Bandits. Thanks for watching.
Hey my man great videos and information! Keep up the good work and passion!👏
Thanks! I'm happy to know that you enjoyed the video.
Great work. I've felt like I'm going crazy for years hearing this. Michael Cimet's book on Kubrick and Lee Unkrich's book on The Shining put some of this to bed as well.
Thanks and you're not going crazy. It's just that too many youtubers are repeating the BS rumor, lazy on their part.
This is a good video. I've always wondered about that Dr. Phil interview but I could never force myself to watch it. I hate the idea that he exploited her and I don't like seeing that happen to people. She didn't deserve that at all.
100% agree! Shelley didn't deserve to be exploited as well as any person who was in the spotlight for years and retires.
I never wanted to watch the Dr. Phil episode because I don't like the "Jerry Springer" platform/freak show, but I was forced to watch it because of this Rob Navarro conspiracy. And a few youtube channels annoyed me because they were "referencing the Dr. Phil episode" as proof that Stanley Kubrick messed her up, so I had to rewatch this Dr. Phil episode 3 times! And there is NOTHING on that episode that Shelley calls out Stanley as being very mean to her. And only to her.
It's a rough episode, don't recommend it.
And while digging up the OTHER Shelley Duvall mistreatment rumors I'd learned that 99.9% is internet made up stuff. My wife thinks there has to be something I'm missing but I'm not finding it. And I don't think it exists.
I do think it's interesting to find out that Shelley was injured in Time Bandits (sounds like she had a concussion - which seems like a huge deal in sports). I hope she had that taken care of but I'm not finding any other stories of the injury. And most likely in the 1980's - she brushed it off.
Thanks for watching.
@@tankardoftales4645 I might get into this in my upcoming Coffee Break. But it just seems like there's a lot of Kubrick hate going on. A lot of unsubstantiated stories that he was a bad guy, with absolutely no evidence to back them up. Something is up! I'm thinking his movies pissed off the establishment and they're just now realizing what he truly revealed about them. That's why these analyses are important. I think people like us need to keep an eye on this. Something is waiting to be revealed, IMO.
@@theobjectofart Seems like something strange is happening. I think Cancel Culture is looking for another target and Stanley Kubrick has a bullseye. I think it's a unfair cancelation because the original sources (stuff that Shelley said were taken out of context) are not hard to find. It makes me believe those jumping on canceling Stanley Kubrick are reactionary from an earlier besmirching video.
Did someone from the establishment started the rumor? Maybe John Kim has a good idea? He seems to know all about the establishment connections.
I think it's the snobs in the Oscars that started the rumor. Shelley's comment was aimed at the movie critics and the Oscars. She was hurt by the razzes nomination.
I'm excited for your coffee breaks. Just don't worry about rushing the videos. This silly video took almost a month for us to make.
@@tankardoftales4645 the me too movement generated a lot of stories for the media. They might have been trying to manufacture a narrative just to get a good story, or it could have been something more nefarious. I have come to the conclusion that in an interview that is going to be broadcast/ published, one should treat it in the same way as you would if you were giving testimony in court. You are being tried in the court of public opinion, and the interviewers have an agenda, just like a prosecutor would.
This whole Shelley narrative is so silly. She herself spoke very highly of Kubrick and said she did indeed have a very hard experience making the Shining but not that she was “abused” in any way. She did say she went through a breakup and indeed SK is a very demanding director (as most great directors are). She said she grew more as an actress during that year than on any other film. So yeah, this is all people making up stuff for their own reasons. Whatever her problems have been in recent years it’s a huge stretch to say it was due to her experience on the Shining. Unless these people know more about her than she herself knows which is preposterous.
A pinch of salt about "poor, pathetic Shelley Duvall!" and what Kubrick - the vile beast! - did to her: let me see if I have this correct: she was so damaged by working with Kubrick that she went on to do another 19 films over the next twenty years. During that time, she created and executive produced a string of television series, acted in over two dozen television films, and hosted several television shows - which she also occasionally wrote for.
Wow - Kubrick really did a number on her! He destroyed her so badly it took nearly twenty years for his cruelty to exact its toll! Dr. Phil showed us! During her post-Kubrick period, she was so traumatized she wound up with two Primetime Emmy nominations, a Peabody Award, and seven CableACE Awards (and 14 nominations).
No doubt about it, working with Kubrick - the vile beast! - ended what could've been a successful career. He has a lot to answer for, the swine! Thank Goodness that finally, with decades of hindsight - and people repeating the same stories thanks to Dr. Phil - we've been able to reduce her entire career to a cliche! I'm glad Kubrick, who died in 1999, is being punished for his entire career. Burn the films! Die, monster, die! 🙄
Spoiler Alert!
And very well said, too.
Maybe my video starts a trend of squashing the rumor. Fingers crossed.
@@tankardoftales4645 I think we both do our best to defend Kubrick: a genius who faked the moon landing, destroyed the lives of everyone he worked with, and was murdered by the Illuminati for not including full-frontal nudity of Nicole Kidman in his final film. Our work is cut out for us, Tankard O'Tales!
Have a safe and wonderful week, wherever you are! 🐧
@@TheStockwell I think Kubrick and Shelley are victims for this strange hoax.
Do you think this hoax was created by the establishment? It sounds like it. When I was digging into the mistreatment mystery I came to the belief that somebody partial remembered the 1980 Ebert Interview and assumed it was in context to Stanley making it hard on her, I would believe this was pre internet days (Mid 1990's or very early 2000's) where people don't know how to find the sources because they are not in the internet. But I would believe after 2008, people have found and read the 1980 interview and find out that Shelley was talking to the Movie Critics for overlooking her hard work. So maybe somebody is purposely pushing a false narrative? or maybe we just got too many people wanting to cancel Stanley Kubrick because they are mindless trolls.
@@tankardoftales4645 My guess would be the final possibility you offered mindless trolls. We live in an age in which people think rewriting, reinterpreting, contradicting, or totally trashing known history and people is some sort of respectable activity.
As soon as something happens, you'll see people saying that isn't what happened - or that the truth is being withheld by Sinister Forces or some other spooky thing.
You name it and it's bound to be a conspiracy attached to it. The weather, the death of a well-known person, anything political, food, leash laws, a new album by Taylor Swift - it's all the work of the mysterious and powerful Elites. When it's *not* the mysterious and powerful Elites, it's the work of our shape-shifting Reptilian Overlords!
It's, you know, nuts how people believe nothing but imagine everything.
I'd write more, but I need to shower and get dressed for my weekly QAnon bowling night. Tonight's theme: the hidden links between Satanism and chocolate chip cookies. 👹 + 🍪
@@TheStockwell thanks and agree...
Good luck with the bowling 😉
To be fair, I believe they also very idiotically gave Stanley Kubrick a Razzie for director so they were just stupid!
Y’all have to remember, this was late 70’s, early 80’s so things were different
It was different. Agree. I think Shelley Duvall really hurt by the razzies nomination. The Ebert interview was her way tell critics like Ebert that she worked very hard to play Wendy and all they did was focus their attention of Stanley Kubrick.
Where they stupid? I think heavy influenced by Stephen King bitching about the Shining and a jealousy of Horror was a very popular genre. In the late 1990's Siskel and Ebert said they should never gave reviews of horror films because they viewed horror differently.
Watching that movie once was enough for me. I actually have a conscience.
Talking about the Dr Phil Show? I agree it's a very hard show to watch. Although, my attraction to the show started with all the "robotic TH-camrs" seemed to connect Shelley Duvall mistreatment of Stanley Kubrick to the Dr Phil Show. And naturally, I saw nothing in the Dr Phil Show that connects Shelley's Issues to Stanley Kubrick. Then I had to find another version of the Dr Phil Show just to make sure what I'm looking for was not edited out. Then I watched a 3rd time, this time to prepare for my video.
I do not recommend anybody with a conscience to watch any of the Dr Phil Shows, it's one of the worst exploitations shows around.
I think thr behind-the-scenes shows a clear picture of events. Kubrick was bullying her a bit but she was being a bit of a whiner, too. The multiple takes are crazy but I don't think he mistreated her anymore than any other taskmaster, misogynistic boss did in 1980.
'clumps of hair' as Kubrick motions to the 3 strands she's holding was great comedic timing.
I've watched/read ton of Shelley Duvall interviews. She highly respected Kubrick. I think to the point that she changed from an actress to a movie producer/director/filmmaker. There an interesting 1998 interview she's plugging her new horror series and credited her experience in the Shining.
I'm not sure as for the motive for making Kubrick a monster, it does make the conspiracies that he was assassinated for Eyes Wide Shut is a possibility.
I believe her hair was stuck in the window.
I heard a clip of her insinuating that he mistreated her, and even Jack Nicholson commented on how it was a very "different" experience, for Shelly. The man that played Dick Halloran claimed mistreatment, and would shake and be visibly upset just trying to talk about it.
Every clip I found was taken out of context. If you remember the clip, please post a link. I would like to review it. Thanks.
@@tankardoftales4645 yeah I've seen a few of those too... But this one is the most recent I have seen. When she says the end justified the means... The means was hurting her so she appeared truly hurt on screen, ya know what I mean? I've seen other stuff about how they weren't allowed to speak to her and stuff like that, or allowed to comfort her if she was hurt or crying etc. th-cam.com/video/xOlzponEKbs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8-qjh0jNVxx4Sk1y
@@tankardoftales4645 oh yeah,I found it; forgot it was a short! This one has Shelly describing it being tumultuous (though I've seen that longer interview and she has positive things to say...I guess, ss positive as they could be lol).... But this also showed Jack trying to delicately say that he had a great time filming but it was very different for Shelly. th-cam.com/users/shorts2dyjlwvc__Y?si=dZdzSawn8jDtuUGA
I saw an interview where he seemed weary about the experience but ultimately said good things about the director. I'd be interested in a link, too.
th-cam.com/users/liveApEh9Sm4BR0?si=VPaYogceqJYuH7M5
1:42:00 is about where it starts!
I totally understand about the reading I can read to myself but sometimes still stumble but reading out aloud its a mumble blur even if I'm just reading to my child I'm stumble over my words just speaking I have my partner read a lot for me
The hair conversion seems like it was them joking with each other look at shells smile
My partner and me joke like that if others heard it they would think we was aholes to each other and shouldn't be together I've had people even mention it lol I'm like nah we good 😊😂❤
I can't even type lol I had to edit and re-edit my comment😂
Shells was NEVER forgotten but she was ready to live her life in private and yes phill is a jerk I didn't watch the interview because it was him doing the what he calls inveiwing btw Phil boy got his License Revoke
I hate reading! I don't like my voice and I know I'm going to stumble on people's names... That's why I have my wife do it. And these articles are very important too because they tell the full context for the story and when we only see the snippets of it - it does make it sound that Stanley was a monster. But Shelley's complaint was aimed at the movie critics.
@@iiisaiahhh I edit a million times and then find myself editing again and a day later I still find mistakes.
@@iiisaiahhh I know she was never forgotten but I know the reason behind the interview was to give Phil a "gold metal' for canceling Stanley Kubrick's legacy.
The interview was painful to watch. And I watch it 3 times. I know the interview was also heavily edited to make Shelley look nuts. But if you do watch the video, in the first 5 minutes you can see her calling Dr. Phill a Roosevelt (Which implies he lied to her about the interview...)
I'm happy Shelley acting in a low budget horror movie.
I was interested until you said you believe the Wendy theory. It's absolutely absurd.
Regardless what I believe, I posted all facts that shows Stanley Kubrick didn't mistreat Shelley Duvall. Also, according to the Ebert interview (the one often taken out of context) Shelley Duvall was experiencing an issue from an injury she received from filming Time Bandits.
Thanks for watching.