And personal experience if possible. Or buying with good return policy. As you can see from the comments, some agree with him and praise him while others actually like the set. It only goes to show how subjective audio is just as with everything else if not even more. Crin, Timmy, HBB are good examples of that - all have different preferences and libraries. However, i do think its crucial for reviewers to be objective while reviewing a product. It may not suit your personal taste but that doesn't make it a bad product.
@@3ildcard@Divinity_vA Honestly, I prefer subjectivity and user experience, it's interesting to know what sound he perceives and how pleasant it is for him. Still, you can say that it's a good IEM, but it's not for you. For him it's a 3 star set, but maybe for you it's a 5 star set.
Some reviewers spend more time on the sets, some do tip rolling or experiment with balanced cables, others prefer to use EQ, etc. But just as there are people who want to experiment, there are others who want everything to work just plug and play and it's still fine because everyone has different needs. In conclusion, subjectivity.
Great review. I agree a lot with your take on it. It’s good, but some things are just a bit overdone. It gives an essence of “artificial detail”, which I’m sure some do like a lot.
Yeah honestly the IEM it reminds me most of is the KZ Castor, which is actually low-key kind of impressive for a KZ (especially at the price), but I don't really enjoy it much because it's a bit artificial sounding and too much. If it was a dessert, it'd be like pure strawberry jam filling vs. the chocolate-covered strawberry I'd rather have.
@sidesaladaudio I hear that especially on this set as a overdone harmonics , for my cmybol crashes has a second overtone of sharpness at a higher pitch like a high frequency wave that adds a layer of music that should not be there and makes it not only sound off in a unnatural way. That's how I hear it, and that is exasperated with the set I tested because there is less weight down below to counter balance the upper mids and especially those high.
I actually bought the Estrella and used it myself for a few days but it was just crazy sharp and treble heavy to listen to anything for more than like 10 minutes (sounded deep fried and splashy). I think it’s a cool iem either way (even if I returned it) but I really don’t like how Jay acts when someone criticizes it as well as how he advertises it and even says straight up that it’s the best iem under 1000 and then reviews it as if it’s not his iem. That’s predatory business. It’s just as good if not worse than any other iem in its price bracket. I used to really love his videos and stuff but after being tricked into buying his iem, I don’t think he is trustworthy in any sense. Thanks for being honest, a lot of the reviews of this thing are by people who got payed off or friends of Jay (which I fell for like a genius).
I tried to tell people to take his opinion with a grain of salt regarding the Estrella since he now has a dog in the game, and his fans just spat on me.
@@fador1337 Well jokes on them, they're wasting their money on stuff they don't need cuz a dude online told them they should. Buy product, get excited for new product.
@@fador1337 thats the thing. His fans are just that... fans. They're basically just buying his "merch" regardless what it sounds like. And Zigaatt is making bag so they don't care either. Jay on the other hand is here thinking this is all happening due to his good ear and audio experience. Dudes a clown
Jay didn't take my review of the Estrella too well at all! Mine has less bass than yours, so you can imagine what that does to the perception of the mids and treble wowzers! Good honest review MRS.
@jayyaudio Maybe you should watch my Arete video and honestly grow up a little Jay. Your comments just show your immaturity. There is no conspiracy, unit variances maybe but that's not a me problem. Everything in my review was spot on the way I heard it. So you can stop bieng saucey about my review and move on and learn, or not that's a choice you make. I may have said something you didn't like to hear but ultimately you made yourself mad. Honestly think about the set I tested. 10db bass shelf vs your intended target and advertised boast of 15db. What do you think will happen to the sound with 33% less bass to the overall sound signature? Our ears carry sound from lowest octaves to the highest and effects each harmonics in turn. So if you hear less bass your brain will precieve more highs. That 5k peak not so good for me as was the treble extension. Sorry I didn't like your set. My library, My tastes, My Ears. Budda once said "Staying mad at someone is like holding a hot coal in your hand with the intent of throwing it at somebody. But in the end, it's just you that gets burned."
When I saw all the reviews on youtube about the Estrella, I thought I had bad hearing because the Estrella came out to be hot on the treble and vocals. It is a bit sibilant to be honest. Thanks to this review I now know my hearing is alright.
Looking at the graph, I would have come to a similar conclusion to you. However, I just bought it, listened to it and found it very engaging. To my surprise, I have not yet found it fatiguing. I didn't find Estrella strayed too far from Harmon that it ruined timbre for a lot of rock, metal and hip hop. If I delved into the jazz side of my library, I'm sure I would find it to be overcooked, but that's not what Estrella is for.
This is the perfect example of everything needing more than one iem in their collection. 1 for excitement (this iem) and another to just chill out and relax to. To make this the perfect iem I would reduce the bass shelf down 2dB and reduce the 4-6kHz region about 2dB. But this iem is awesome when you want to rock out for an hour or so (not too long)
@@jyan727 from what I gather, it brings down the bass and leaves everything else alone for the most part. BUT since it doesnt affect mids and treble, the high gain in those regions were intended to combat the bass levels, so by bringing down the bass with the tape mod, the high mids and treble can be too much energy for the overall mix. It can come across as too hot or spicy, sibilant, or fatiguing. If you love high mids and treble it might be alright with the tape mod. Im more of a bads guy and a little sensitive to the areas that are boosted past 3.5k so this set i dont think will be good for me
Wow, most reviews I have watched on this IEM gave me the impression that it's tuned to compete with $500-600 range IEMs. Thanks for the no- nonsense review as always.
@Musicophile-p5l Thats part of the hype train and collaboration sets are the worst, it's like a circle jerk of influencers acknowledging each other so as to not ruffle the feathers on sensitive birds or to add to the already highly non subjective bias they must have with reviewing thier sets they profit from against competitors sets. There is no way - NO WAY you can remain Objective! COMPETES WITH $1000 SETS! That's what was hyped by Jay - does he honestly feel that way? The Estrella does not compete with $1000 sets. It does not even compete at $300. In my opinion.
@@tonedeafmonkit does worth the hype. I own both the estrella and hype 10. Estrella sounds more pleasant to me. It has that exciting factor but never too much. Resolution and imaging is pretty good at its price point. Not saying it’s better than hype 10 but it is closer than you think. Tuning is often 90% of an iem and I think jay nailed it on this one. Most of my friends I lent them they gave positive feedback as well.
Super review only enjoys neutral hence he likes the mega5 so much but it’s just boring to me. What I’m trying to show is tuning is subjective to person
The Estrella definitely leans hard into its top end. IMO the bass quality is lacking, despite its big quantity. Just doesn't compare to its top end, so I EQ the low end down a few dB. It's too much. Helps minimize the overly artificial sounding sense of contrast too. I think Jay missed the ball by deciding ultimately to kick up the bass and then tell people to do a tape mod. I suspect the folks at Ziigaat persuaded him to go for a v-shape when he really wanted to go for a vocals and treble set. Telling people to do a tape mod is not a good solution IMO.
My Estrella unit is great and I like them a lot. They are very engaging and you can listen great on lower volume too. My unit has a ton of bass and it balances the higher registers out (but I‘m kind of a treblehead). I did some comparison and the resolution is very good compared to IEMs till around 600 bucks. But the real stand out for me is the exceptional wide soundstage and holography. Wow!
Reviews like these make me really appreciate reviews that have a few different IEMs to compare the one IEM to. This allows for reference points in treble, bass, mids, details, ect to be made more clearly. It gives more value and structure to the review. I do appreciate everyone having their own style of reviewing, but I think the method I’ve just layed out is a better one adapted by some reviewers out there like AtechReviews and Akros. I like the terminology (cooked) and the notes you draw to in your reviews, also the side view fit of the iem that you do is awesome. If you were able to draw a couple comparison to, for example, the pilgrim or mega5est in this review it would help shed light on what ways the Estrella doesn’t stack up to them. Just my two cents, Cheers!
I've got the Dunu Davinci, Pilgrim and Ziigaat Estrella. The Pilgrim was incredibly disappointing, lots of detail but no emotion. The Davinci was better, but the Estrella is way more fun. Works especially well for female vocals and classical. Also, wins for Louis Armstrong - spacious and good staging.
Opinions vary.... Preferences vary.... I am both treble sensitive and don't like way too much sub and mid bass presence.... If the mids are way on to my face it gives me a headache.... I prefer everything at a balance with great sound stage and details.... But its just my preference..... For me @Super*Review has been my go to reviewer with great explanations and comparisons.... I am from India.... People tend to see $50 products as expensive stuff.... So buying IEM with the price tag of more than $100 dollars is a luxury.... But I was lucky enough to try many iems from my friends and colleagues and have managed to identify my needs regarding audio products.... I would really love to ask Mark sir if spending more than 100 bucks on IEMs worth the upgrade from the cheapies of upto $50 dollar price tag? Or is it just more of diminishing return thing? It is my earnest request to Mark to answer this question.... ❤️ Your reviews....
There's no easy way to answer the question. I could be happy with IEMs like the Moondrop LAN and Tin C2. There are things more expensive IEMs do that I like, and that I can't find in cheaper IEMs, but there are also a lot of expensive IEMs that are way worse than C2 and LAN. #1 suggestion: Get good with parametric EQ. You can get results with a $50 IEM that rival expensive sets. And if you find a tuning you really like with PEQ, and want to buy an expensive IEM with that tuning, you saved yourself a lot of wasted effort trying expensive IEMs that aren't what you want.
@@SuperReview Thank you very much for the reply sir.... Since I am a newbie to this hobby I don't really understand a lot of stuff.... After a year and a half I learnt to understand FR graphs quite good now.... I try EQ ing my IEMs(Hola, Salnotes zero, Zero: Red).... Most of the time I end up messing it up.... 😅 Still trying my best... Actually I would love to see a video from you explaining how to EQ🥺❤️....
Funny how so many have an opinion who haven’t even tried them. I’m a basshead who is sensitive to treble. I have many basshead sets: Scarlet Mini, Legato, Bravado mkII, OH10, Doscincos, Meteors and others. I love the Doscincos so much (may be the best basshead set under $500) so was curious about the Estrellas. They’re very much like the Doscincos but have a bit more sparkle and width. The soundstage is something ethereal. It all comes down to how we listen folks. I’m an electronic musician with many headphones as well. I use the LCD X 2021 as my main cans to mix. I’m also a gamer. Let me tell you how good the Estrellas are just hooked up to my PS5 controller. The extra bass, treble and width sound amazing on the PS5. I use Spotify as my background music when I game (usually VR). There is no EQ on console Spotify as there is on mobile. The Doscincos are great for gaming but I feel the Estrellas are even better. The layering and separation are great as you mention. I have certain uses for different iems. The Doscincos are great to mix on, as are the Meteors. The Estrellas are great for just plugging in for gaming or YT music and Im a very happy owner. The dual isobaric DDs slam harder than they graph. The new E50 super tweeters sound like ESTs. The treble exists higher in your head and the music resides in a bigger space. Like the sphere of sound around your head is larger than most. It’s not an all rounder but a very important and unique iem in my lineup that gets used every day. They do better with Azla ASMR tips to enhance bass and limit treble a bit. People like Mark and Timmy etc are more neutral fans, this iem is not for them. Although I still will thank you Mark for your Meteor review that nudged me to get them. I love that the Estrella is not the same boring tuning being put out over and over again and I wanted them over the DaVinci, Hype 4 and Tea Pro, and am thrilled. This iem has had me say WOW to certain tracks more than any other.
I could buy open box hype4 for $200 and I passed on it because I liked doscincos better . I was ready to grab estrella because I loved their tunning similar to docincos but with better extended treble but I found campfire atlas on drop for under $300 and could not resist such a good deal . Atlas is exactly what I was looking for in iems , sound signature similar to fostex th900 or kennerton gh50 . It sound great on qudelix 5k and sounds amazing on burson conductor 3r with Feliks echo mk2 tube amp ....
Got mine about a month ago, and they can get a bit shouty but when listening to extreme metal I got so much more details retrieval and separation much more than the Chopin (very uncomfortable by the way) that for me the estrella even if they can get fatiguing are really good for my point of, they should be sold 250 max I think
This is the IEM that has made me stop being ambitious with my buys. I bought it before knowing much about it, and yeah, it's just far too aggressive in its sound in the treble for the genres I listen to. But I love the content Jay puts out so in the end I'm happy to have supported him. He said in his interview with Crinacle that he wouldn't go as spicy in the treble in his next IEM, I'd like to see that.
can anyone help me.. i just got the ziigaat arete.. i love em and they are good for music and great for gaming (atleast the game i play).. that was my goal.. a gaming/music iem... but im still super curious about the estella because tho i do want a ''gaming'' iem i still want really good music performance. for someone who has both am i missing out on anything... is it worth it for me to try them out (i do have the option to send back to amazon) ... thanks for your feedback in advance
It is an extreme IEM I would agree. But if you work with it, you are rewarded (source, tips, cable, mods). It's very good hardware, is my point, but it's not exactly plug and play.
How's Estrella fare against one in the same price or higher for you? Cuz I don't see any in-depth comparison here, so I'd love to know your opinion. Thx in advance.
As always your reviews are detailed and informative. I am really waiting for your review of the hidizs mp 145 . A big thanks for all the wonderful reviews sir 😊 cheers
Good for the price. Bassy in stock form. After its eqed the same is other planars the bass is a touch slower and the treble a touch better. Most planars are kinda the same nowadays
Want to get into IEMs, however I can only use them for an hour until my ears canals become sore. In your opinion what is the most comfortable IEMs you have tried?
Im going to give these a try. If they are harsh in the trebel and somehow I dont hear it, I might be in trouble lol but maybe in a good way. Ill give these a try. I wish there were some comparisons though. I really like the Da Vinci Edit: I just bought the Estrella, and I REALLY like them. They make the music in your face and engaging but it sounds spacious at the same time.
Also, it's EASY to get a ish-load of bass if you simply remove the lower mids and the mids, and boost mid-highs and highs or air. But you get a hollow, piercing sound. Like the Simgot EW300. The question is, would you trade a great bass for literally everything else on the spectrum? Right...
hello, thank-you for your review. I don't think I have seen your five star review system before. Do you have a spreadsheet with all your IEM, and headphones ratings?
well on the graph it doesn't seem particularly compliant to the end-game target. more bass, more 1khz, no 3khz peak, *less* lower treble. shows how grating a real end-game-tuned iem will sound!
Dusk, Meteor, Kinda Lava, IE 600 all have pretty standout bass and high ratings from me. If you just want lots of bass and don't care about the rest sounding good, yeah, that's not me.
Jay had been hyping the Simgot EA1000 as the best IEM in it's price range. Due to this Crinacle was being inundated with requests to review the EA1000 (this was back when he was still reviewing IEMS). When he finally did he basically said the EA1000 is "mid" and has shout and treble problems and that his new upcoming collab "Singolo" had groundbreaking new tech inside and was basically the true gods gift to single DD audio that Jay had been claiming the EA1000 to be. Jay didn't take this well and responded with a video called "Why you SHOULDN'T trust Crinacle". Singolo was released and was more or less as "mid" as the EA1000 and in the interim everything has blown over and Jay and Crin have gotten passed it. Moral of the story: everyone has their own preferences.
ZiiGaat has one of the Best IEMs in that $200-300 price range with the Worst accessories especially the cables for the last few are even worse then Cincotres and Doscinco and the case is just a joke btw this exact case companies can buy in China in bulk for several cents that how much it costs to ZiiGaat to put this thing in their IEMs it the same for the cables and eartips well even worse for the eartips
Yup this is a fact. I used to watch Jay's audio but over time I found he was really sensitive and reactive to those who don't agree with him. He probably went after crinacle for clout
By creating Estrella you have created not only an excellent listening tool, but also an equally excellent tool for testing your listening skills. And if someone fails the test, it is not a problem with the device.
@@SuperReview just try it once if you still have the unit. The tapemod was the original tuning for estrella, intended for acoustic tracks. It become more detailed and brings out the mids. Maybe you'll like it more.
Well.. if you have to put a piece of tape for obtaining another (better?) result, better buy another iem. 300$ and having to tape an hole.. it's not really the purpose of the purchase
What is the difference between an enduser and a formal reviewer? Enduser will change the cable to graphene, select the ear pads, warm up the headphones for 100 hours. And then he will record the review. Unfortunately and fortunately, Estrella turned out to be too complicated for many people. This is what differentiates an electron microscope from a hammer. Unfortunately, you thought it was a hammer and began to evaluate it from the point of view of driving nails.
@@SuperReview Haha, wow, I had no idea! Wouldn't have guessed, to be honest. Now there's no choice but to admit that I'm an impostor. I am Slavic and this this username is one of my unimaginative pseudonyms. I know, like, three and a half words in Spanish.
Mark your review seems biased to me and you lack depth of thought. Lacks many comparisons with other IEMs. And yes, Estrella competes with many IEMs above its price point, even some blown directly by Estrella. Your reviews are for beginners audiophile! It's time to start doing in-depth reviews instead of spending half an hour describing what's in the box it's just frivolous! This hobby is subjective, but try not to be so superficial. Have a nice day!
I think you took a swing at this IEM and missed badly maybe even dropped the bat. See ya on the next one. I absolutely love the Estrella, except the crap cable.
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Having third party reviews are soooo important. Thank you
And personal experience if possible. Or buying with good return policy. As you can see from the comments, some agree with him and praise him while others actually like the set. It only goes to show how subjective audio is just as with everything else if not even more. Crin, Timmy, HBB are good examples of that - all have different preferences and libraries. However, i do think its crucial for reviewers to be objective while reviewing a product. It may not suit your personal taste but that doesn't make it a bad product.
@@3ildcard@Divinity_vA Honestly, I prefer subjectivity and user experience, it's interesting to know what sound he perceives and how pleasant it is for him. Still, you can say that it's a good IEM, but it's not for you. For him it's a 3 star set, but maybe for you it's a 5 star set.
Some reviewers spend more time on the sets, some do tip rolling or experiment with balanced cables, others prefer to use EQ, etc. But just as there are people who want to experiment, there are others who want everything to work just plug and play and it's still fine because everyone has different needs. In conclusion, subjectivity.
Be careful, Mark
Tomorrow there’ll be a Sharur & Jays Audio collab Video titled “why you shouldn’t trust Super*review” 💀
@@Tssukiii that makes the audio community toxic bro
You should trust him, he's Stanford student after all. 😜
actually, why would sharur like estrella. not harman, not his endgame target.
@@Helmond2017 Who?
Of course, in fact you shouldn't trust anyone besides yourself.
Never fear what another reviewer thinks about your opinion. They can kick rocks
Great review. I agree a lot with your take on it. It’s good, but some things are just a bit overdone. It gives an essence of “artificial detail”, which I’m sure some do like a lot.
Yeah honestly the IEM it reminds me most of is the KZ Castor, which is actually low-key kind of impressive for a KZ (especially at the price), but I don't really enjoy it much because it's a bit artificial sounding and too much. If it was a dessert, it'd be like pure strawberry jam filling vs. the chocolate-covered strawberry I'd rather have.
@sidesaladaudio I hear that especially on this set as a overdone harmonics , for my cmybol crashes has a second overtone of sharpness at a higher pitch like a high frequency wave that adds a layer of music that should not be there and makes it not only sound off in a unnatural way. That's how I hear it, and that is exasperated with the set I tested because there is less weight down below to counter balance the upper mids and especially those high.
I actually bought the Estrella and used it myself for a few days but it was just crazy sharp and treble heavy to listen to anything for more than like 10 minutes (sounded deep fried and splashy). I think it’s a cool iem either way (even if I returned it) but I really don’t like how Jay acts when someone criticizes it as well as how he advertises it and even says straight up that it’s the best iem under 1000 and then reviews it as if it’s not his iem. That’s predatory business. It’s just as good if not worse than any other iem in its price bracket. I used to really love his videos and stuff but after being tricked into buying his iem, I don’t think he is trustworthy in any sense. Thanks for being honest, a lot of the reviews of this thing are by people who got payed off or friends of Jay (which I fell for like a genius).
I tried to tell people to take his opinion with a grain of salt regarding the Estrella since he now has a dog in the game, and his fans just spat on me.
@@fador1337 Well jokes on them, they're wasting their money on stuff they don't need cuz a dude online told them they should. Buy product, get excited for new product.
@@fador1337 thats the thing. His fans are just that... fans. They're basically just buying his "merch" regardless what it sounds like. And Zigaatt is making bag so they don't care either. Jay on the other hand is here thinking this is all happening due to his good ear and audio experience. Dudes a clown
Jay didn't take my review of the Estrella too well at all! Mine has less bass than yours, so you can imagine what that does to the perception of the mids and treble wowzers! Good honest review MRS.
Funny, some people are suggesting I use tape over the vent to get less bass, doesn't seem like that'd improve the spice levels.
@SuperReview It would make it worse and if you already got driver flex good chance that would probably damage the driver?
Because you straight up lied about them that was debunked by your own viewer in the comments.
But thank you Mark for the review!
@jayyaudio
Maybe you should watch my Arete video and honestly grow up a little Jay. Your comments just show your immaturity.
There is no conspiracy, unit variances maybe but that's not a me problem.
Everything in my review was spot on the way I heard it.
So you can stop bieng saucey about my review and move on and learn, or not that's a choice you make. I may have said something you didn't like to hear but ultimately you made yourself mad.
Honestly think about the set I tested. 10db bass shelf vs your intended target and advertised boast of 15db. What do you think will happen to the sound with 33% less bass to the overall sound signature? Our ears carry sound from lowest octaves to the highest and effects each harmonics in turn. So if you hear less bass your brain will precieve more highs. That 5k peak not so good for me as was the treble extension. Sorry I didn't like your set.
My library, My tastes, My Ears.
Budda once said "Staying mad at someone is like holding a hot coal in your hand with the intent of throwing it at somebody. But in the end, it's just you that gets burned."
@@jayyaudio Dude can't take criticism if it's even remotely strong worded.
Jay said the Estrella competes with anything under $1000 yet I find that it doesn't even compete within the $300 price area.
It's a matter of preference. For me, quite a few things I'd prefer under $1,000.
When I saw all the reviews on youtube about the Estrella, I thought I had bad hearing because the Estrella came out to be hot on the treble and vocals. It is a bit sibilant to be honest. Thanks to this review I now know my hearing is alright.
The bass was quite enjoyable for me on this one.
It's pretty fun.
This is personal preference but I really like the Estrella. It fits my target preference in music. I like it just as much as the Da Vinci IEM.
Looking at the graph, I would have come to a similar conclusion to you. However, I just bought it, listened to it and found it very engaging. To my surprise, I have not yet found it fatiguing.
I didn't find Estrella strayed too far from Harmon that it ruined timbre for a lot of rock, metal and hip hop. If I delved into the jazz side of my library, I'm sure I would find it to be overcooked, but that's not what Estrella is for.
Good review, hopefully you get a chance to review the Tea Pros soon.
This is the perfect example of everything needing more than one iem in their collection. 1 for excitement (this iem) and another to just chill out and relax to. To make this the perfect iem I would reduce the bass shelf down 2dB and reduce the 4-6kHz region about 2dB.
But this iem is awesome when you want to rock out for an hour or so (not too long)
Curious but does the tape mod do that at all? Or does it mostly just reduce the bass?
@@jyan727 from what I gather, it brings down the bass and leaves everything else alone for the most part. BUT since it doesnt affect mids and treble, the high gain in those regions were intended to combat the bass levels, so by bringing down the bass with the tape mod, the high mids and treble can be too much energy for the overall mix. It can come across as too hot or spicy, sibilant, or fatiguing.
If you love high mids and treble it might be alright with the tape mod. Im more of a bads guy and a little sensitive to the areas that are boosted past 3.5k so this set i dont think will be good for me
@@jyan727 Reduces the bass only
@@saucyg6371 Understood! Thanks for the explanation.
Yep this is right in line with my opinion of it. I’m bummed I can’t return it, but oh well.
Wow, most reviews I have watched on this IEM gave me the impression that it's tuned to compete with $500-600 range IEMs. Thanks for the no- nonsense review as always.
This is just my opinion, others can have their own.
@Musicophile-p5l Thats part of the hype train and collaboration sets are the worst, it's like a circle jerk of influencers acknowledging each other so as to not ruffle the feathers on sensitive birds or to add to the already highly non subjective bias they must have with reviewing thier sets they profit from against competitors sets.
There is no way - NO WAY you can remain Objective!
COMPETES WITH $1000 SETS!
That's what was hyped by Jay - does he honestly feel that way? The Estrella does not compete with $1000 sets. It does not even compete at $300. In my opinion.
@@tonedeafmonkit does worth the hype. I own both the estrella and hype 10. Estrella sounds more pleasant to me. It has that exciting factor but never too much. Resolution and imaging is pretty good at its price point. Not saying it’s better than hype 10 but it is closer than you think. Tuning is often 90% of an iem and I think jay nailed it on this one. Most of my friends I lent them they gave positive feedback as well.
Super review only enjoys neutral hence he likes the mega5 so much but it’s just boring to me. What I’m trying to show is tuning is subjective to person
@@annoymusi2735 yeah mega5est is a snoozefest imo, but theres someone who really like it
The Estrella definitely leans hard into its top end. IMO the bass quality is lacking, despite its big quantity. Just doesn't compare to its top end, so I EQ the low end down a few dB. It's too much. Helps minimize the overly artificial sounding sense of contrast too. I think Jay missed the ball by deciding ultimately to kick up the bass and then tell people to do a tape mod. I suspect the folks at Ziigaat persuaded him to go for a v-shape when he really wanted to go for a vocals and treble set. Telling people to do a tape mod is not a good solution IMO.
Watch his vid, he says he boosted it because a poll wanted more bass. I dont really agree with the treble and high mids boost however
My Estrella unit is great and I like them a lot. They are very engaging and you can listen great on lower volume too. My unit has a ton of bass and it balances the higher registers out (but I‘m kind of a treblehead). I did some comparison and the resolution is very good compared to IEMs till around 600 bucks. But the real stand out for me is the exceptional wide soundstage and holography. Wow!
Lol. Excessive high end energy is not resolution.
Reviews like these make me really appreciate reviews that have a few different IEMs to compare the one IEM to. This allows for reference points in treble, bass, mids, details, ect to be made more clearly. It gives more value and structure to the review. I do appreciate everyone having their own style of reviewing, but I think the method I’ve just layed out is a better one adapted by some reviewers out there like AtechReviews and Akros.
I like the terminology (cooked) and the notes you draw to in your reviews, also the side view fit of the iem that you do is awesome. If you were able to draw a couple comparison to, for example, the pilgrim or mega5est in this review it would help shed light on what ways the Estrella doesn’t stack up to them.
Just my two cents, Cheers!
Excellent review. Evrything you said i agree. It's not that good
Your point about his comment on Simgot is right on. Really turned me off to him.
I've got the Dunu Davinci, Pilgrim and Ziigaat Estrella. The Pilgrim was incredibly disappointing, lots of detail but no emotion. The Davinci was better, but the Estrella is way more fun.
Works especially well for female vocals and classical. Also, wins for Louis Armstrong - spacious and good staging.
Opinions vary.... Preferences vary.... I am both treble sensitive and don't like way too much sub and mid bass presence.... If the mids are way on to my face it gives me a headache.... I prefer everything at a balance with great sound stage and details.... But its just my preference..... For me @Super*Review has been my go to reviewer with great explanations and comparisons.... I am from India.... People tend to see $50 products as expensive stuff.... So buying IEM with the price tag of more than $100 dollars is a luxury.... But I was lucky enough to try many iems from my friends and colleagues and have managed to identify my needs regarding audio products.... I would really love to ask Mark sir if spending more than 100 bucks on IEMs worth the upgrade from the cheapies of upto $50 dollar price tag? Or is it just more of diminishing return thing?
It is my earnest request to Mark to answer this question.... ❤️ Your reviews....
There's no easy way to answer the question. I could be happy with IEMs like the Moondrop LAN and Tin C2. There are things more expensive IEMs do that I like, and that I can't find in cheaper IEMs, but there are also a lot of expensive IEMs that are way worse than C2 and LAN.
#1 suggestion: Get good with parametric EQ. You can get results with a $50 IEM that rival expensive sets. And if you find a tuning you really like with PEQ, and want to buy an expensive IEM with that tuning, you saved yourself a lot of wasted effort trying expensive IEMs that aren't what you want.
@@SuperReview Thank you very much for the reply sir.... Since I am a newbie to this hobby I don't really understand a lot of stuff.... After a year and a half I learnt to understand FR graphs quite good now.... I try EQ ing my IEMs(Hola, Salnotes zero, Zero: Red).... Most of the time I end up messing it up.... 😅 Still trying my best... Actually I would love to see a video from you explaining how to EQ🥺❤️....
Funny how so many have an opinion who haven’t even tried them. I’m a basshead who is sensitive to treble. I have many basshead sets: Scarlet Mini, Legato, Bravado mkII, OH10, Doscincos, Meteors and others. I love the Doscincos so much (may be the best basshead set under $500) so was curious about the Estrellas. They’re very much like the Doscincos but have a bit more sparkle and width. The soundstage is something ethereal. It all comes down to how we listen folks. I’m an electronic musician with many headphones as well. I use the LCD X 2021 as my main cans to mix. I’m also a gamer. Let me tell you how good the Estrellas are just hooked up to my PS5 controller. The extra bass, treble and width sound amazing on the PS5. I use Spotify as my background music when I game (usually VR). There is no EQ on console Spotify as there is on mobile. The Doscincos are great for gaming but I feel the Estrellas are even better. The layering and separation are great as you mention. I have certain uses for different iems. The Doscincos are great to mix on, as are the Meteors. The Estrellas are great for just plugging in for gaming or YT music and Im a very happy owner. The dual isobaric DDs slam harder than they graph. The new E50 super tweeters sound like ESTs. The treble exists higher in your head and the music resides in a bigger space. Like the sphere of sound around your head is larger than most. It’s not an all rounder but a very important and unique iem in my lineup that gets used every day. They do better with Azla ASMR tips to enhance bass and limit treble a bit. People like Mark and Timmy etc are more neutral fans, this iem is not for them. Although I still will thank you Mark for your Meteor review that nudged me to get them. I love that the Estrella is not the same boring tuning being put out over and over again and I wanted them over the DaVinci, Hype 4 and Tea Pro, and am thrilled. This iem has had me say WOW to certain tracks more than any other.
Why it looks like a paid comment
I could buy open box hype4 for $200 and I passed on it because I liked doscincos better . I was ready to grab estrella because I loved their tunning similar to docincos but with better extended treble but I found campfire atlas on drop for under $300 and could not resist such a good deal . Atlas is exactly what I was looking for in iems , sound signature similar to fostex th900 or kennerton gh50 . It sound great on qudelix 5k and sounds amazing on burson conductor 3r with Feliks echo mk2 tube amp ....
except obviously person doing this review. did try them
It's a fun and exciting IEM, i tried a friend's unit. Although female vocals were a bit sharp for my liking.
Got mine about a month ago, and they can get a bit shouty but when listening to extreme metal I got so much more details retrieval and separation much more than the Chopin (very uncomfortable by the way) that for me the estrella even if they can get fatiguing are really good for my point of, they should be sold 250 max I think
This is the IEM that has made me stop being ambitious with my buys. I bought it before knowing much about it, and yeah, it's just far too aggressive in its sound in the treble for the genres I listen to. But I love the content Jay puts out so in the end I'm happy to have supported him. He said in his interview with Crinacle that he wouldn't go as spicy in the treble in his next IEM, I'd like to see that.
can anyone help me.. i just got the ziigaat arete.. i love em and they are good for music and great for gaming (atleast the game i play).. that was my goal.. a gaming/music iem... but im still super curious about the estella because tho i do want a ''gaming'' iem i still want really good music performance. for someone who has both am i missing out on anything... is it worth it for me to try them out (i do have the option to send back to amazon) ... thanks for your feedback in advance
Nice review, thanks!
The best non spanish speaker pronunciation of the set name
It is an extreme IEM I would agree. But if you work with it, you are rewarded (source, tips, cable, mods). It's very good hardware, is my point, but it's not exactly plug and play.
How's Estrella fare against one in the same price or higher for you? Cuz I don't see any in-depth comparison here, so I'd love to know your opinion. Thx in advance.
Those ziigaat eartips do not work for me and the cable is subpar...but they sound profiles ziigaat is putting out is legit.
As always your reviews are detailed and informative. I am really waiting for your review of the hidizs mp 145 . A big thanks for all the wonderful reviews sir 😊 cheers
Thanks, but don't wait for Hidizs review, not coming.
Good for the price. Bassy in stock form. After its eqed the same is other planars the bass is a touch slower and the treble a touch better. Most planars are kinda the same nowadays
Want to get into IEMs, however I can only use them for an hour until my ears canals become sore. In your opinion what is the most comfortable IEMs you have tried?
AirPods Pro, Sennheiser IE 200/600/900.
Hi sir which one do you prefer this ziigat x jay estrella or hype 4 thie audio?
Thx sir
I would pick Hype. Dusk is my favorite though you didn't ask about that so sorry.
@@SuperReview thx sir for ur answer....😊...you mean moondrop duskx crinacle?
@@charischandra8894 Yes, the new one (2024).
@@SuperReview thx sir for ur reply ....God bless
Im going to give these a try. If they are harsh in the trebel and somehow I dont hear it, I might be in trouble lol but maybe in a good way. Ill give these a try. I wish there were some comparisons though. I really like the Da Vinci
Edit: I just bought the Estrella, and I REALLY like them. They make the music in your face and engaging but it sounds spacious at the same time.
Also, it's EASY to get a ish-load of bass if you simply remove the lower mids and the mids, and boost mid-highs and highs or air. But you get a hollow, piercing sound. Like the Simgot EW300. The question is, would you trade a great bass for literally everything else on the spectrum? Right...
hello, thank-you for your review. I don't think I have seen your five star review system before. Do you have a spreadsheet with all your IEM, and headphones ratings?
Not in a spreadsheet, but my scores are displayed on Squiglink: squig.link/
I will stick to my Moondrop Dusk as a better value hehe
Ziigaat Logo and name, both are horrendous. No matter how good iems they make, that logo will forever scream cheap in Chinese.
It’s fascinating how different my opinion is compared to yours, Mark but nonetheless I respect it!
🤙 I respect you too.
@@SuperReview nothing but love, Mark 🤝
I'm only listening to you, crinacle and the headphone guys atm. Jay and Hbb just flat out shill Simgot.
Crin is the worst shill in the industry man 😂😂
Try tape mod
It's more like your preferences
Jay's claims were for this tuning
This hard v shaped voted by the audiences
Driver flex already there. With Tape mod it will be very very bad.
Godspeed with the hoard coming your way 😅
Mark, are u going to review the xenns mangird tea pro?
Not planning to.
@@SuperReview because it hasn't been sent to you or you are not interested in?
@@SuperReview Aww... My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
How come, though?
@@haomingli6175 I've got a backlog and if I added Tea Pro to my backlog by the time I got to it people wouldn't care.
I believe this is based on a target that Jay has come up with in combination with that Sharur kid
To a Symphonium iem
Sharur...
I LMAO evrytiem
well on the graph it doesn't seem particularly compliant to the end-game target. more bass, more 1khz, no 3khz peak, *less* lower treble. shows how grating a real end-game-tuned iem will sound!
would you review the ziigaat cincotres?
Probably not.
You give low ratings to IEMs with powerful bass. Your reviews are consistent and trustworthy.
Dusk, Meteor, Kinda Lava, IE 600 all have pretty standout bass and high ratings from me. If you just want lots of bass and don't care about the rest sounding good, yeah, that's not me.
Canon 2 and Ie600 are lovely sounding with awesome boosted basss. You are awesome reviewer @@SuperReview
hbb's blon z300 has big bass and mark gave it 4 star
We all knew you would not enjoy this one😉 - should just have gone straight to the Tea Pro test😂
Really? I didn't.
sometimes followers know you better😊
I agree. I honestly think it's an overall good thing, though. If someone is familiar with a reviewers preference, then it helps all the more I'd say
Driver flex is kind of a deal breaker tbh
It's pretty unpleasant.
If you found the treble spicy, try sancai tips, saw a review calling it tip sensitive
Damn, you really are playing with fire in this one....yet ready for the backlash😢
Could someone feel me in on that simgot thing mentioned in the beginning, please?
Jay had been hyping the Simgot EA1000 as the best IEM in it's price range. Due to this Crinacle was being inundated with requests to review the EA1000 (this was back when he was still reviewing IEMS). When he finally did he basically said the EA1000 is "mid" and has shout and treble problems and that his new upcoming collab "Singolo" had groundbreaking new tech inside and was basically the true gods gift to single DD audio that Jay had been claiming the EA1000 to be. Jay didn't take this well and responded with a video called "Why you SHOULDN'T trust Crinacle". Singolo was released and was more or less as "mid" as the EA1000 and in the interim everything has blown over and Jay and Crin have gotten passed it. Moral of the story: everyone has their own preferences.
@@TonkyTronicus thank you
Not a big fan of the massive Ziigaat logo as well. Still waiting for MRS Collab.
Curious what the Ziigaat name means.
@@SuperReview Straight from ziigaat themselves, it means, "Zero in on Ideas, Innovate, Grow and Achieve All Together"
@@KaibillKaan as insane as febos from hisenior, feel the beauty of sound
Lol febos. Holy crap I thought it was pelos. Thanks
@@KaibillKaanThis is almost as bad as the og BELIEF LETMUSICBURN OPPOTY NEVERGIVEUP
😱😱 impress
you are my jesus
ZiiGaat has one of the Best IEMs in that $200-300 price range with the Worst accessories especially the cables for the last few are even worse then Cincotres and Doscinco
and the case is just a joke btw this exact case companies can buy in China in bulk for several cents that how much it costs to ZiiGaat to put this thing in their IEMs it the same for the cables and eartips well even worse for the eartips
Come on Mark release the supermix 4 video thats in the vault.
Supermix4 is similar to Estrella, too bright, but with less bass.
Jay is a spoiled brat. Just listen to his video with crinacle. So reactive and immature
Yup this is a fact. I used to watch Jay's audio but over time I found he was really sensitive and reactive to those who don't agree with him. He probably went after crinacle for clout
Appreciate the review Mark ❤️
Congrats on the launch 🤙
By creating Estrella you have created not only an excellent listening tool, but also an equally excellent tool for testing your listening skills. And if someone fails the test, it is not a problem with the device.
Estrella to me sounds like a mini Monarch Mk3.
U mean better
@@heyking8583 The bass is faster on Estrella but overall MMK3 is the winner for me.
Did you try the Tapemod? It brings down the bass significantly.
Nah, the bass is probably the best part. What's that do to the driver flex?
@@SuperReview just try it once if you still have the unit. The tapemod was the original tuning for estrella, intended for acoustic tracks. It become more detailed and brings out the mids. Maybe you'll like it more.
Well.. if you have to put a piece of tape for obtaining another (better?) result, better buy another iem. 300$ and having to tape an hole.. it's not really the purpose of the purchase
@@chinmayrasam because it has so much treble, you need the bass to balance it out.
this vs SM4?????
SuperMix is similarly too spicy, I heard that one as more sibilant too.
@@SuperReview any chance of reviewing em?
Nah.
What is the difference between an enduser and a formal reviewer? Enduser will change the cable to graphene, select the ear pads, warm up the headphones for 100 hours. And then he will record the review. Unfortunately and fortunately, Estrella turned out to be too complicated for many people. This is what differentiates an electron microscope from a hammer. Unfortunately, you thought it was a hammer and began to evaluate it from the point of view of driving nails.
Why does everyone pronounce it's name as EstreYa instead of EstreLLa? There seems to be something I'm not getting here...
Wait, how do you pronounce your username?
@@SuperReview [ˈxwãn] [ˈblãŋ.ko]
That is, in a Mexican Spanish manner, im case you don't know IPA (I myself do no't 😅).
OK, I asked because "estrella" is Spanish for "star" and in Spanish a double-L is pronounced as an English Y-sound.
@@SuperReview HAHAHAHAHHAHA this is comedy gold
@@SuperReview Haha, wow, I had no idea! Wouldn't have guessed, to be honest.
Now there's no choice but to admit that I'm an impostor. I am Slavic and this this username is one of my unimaginative pseudonyms.
I know, like, three and a half words in Spanish.
I like my chinese fried rice overcooked. I don't want to cook my iem at all. Whoever told you to cook an iem is giving bad advice.
Don't knock it 'til you try it. Meteor with a little peanut oil on high heat is pretty good.
Apperamtly I should have cooked popcorn.
Mark your review seems biased to me and you lack depth of thought. Lacks many comparisons with other IEMs. And yes, Estrella competes with many IEMs above its price point, even some blown directly by Estrella. Your reviews are for beginners audiophile! It's time to start doing in-depth reviews instead of spending half an hour describing what's in the box it's just frivolous! This hobby is subjective, but try not to be so superficial. Have a nice day!
Gotcha.
What is electronic music 😂
LOL only word I could think of was "techno" and that sounded so '90s.
I think you took a swing at this IEM and missed badly maybe even dropped the bat. See ya on the next one. I absolutely love the Estrella, except the crap cable.
Dropped the bat, haven't heard that part of the metaphor before.
Nothing under $1000 can touch this