Colossus: The Forbin Project - AI Predictions from 1970
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- Colossus The Forbin Project made many uncannily accurate predictions about AI back in 1970, and that is largely what this video focuses on. The film had an influence on many AI-based films that came after it, including the first two Terminator movies and John Badham's 'WarGames' (1983).
Info from Wikipedia: Colossus: The Forbin Project (originally released as The Forbin Project) is a 1970 American science-fiction thriller film from Universal Pictures, produced by Stanley Chase, directed by Joseph Sargent, that stars Eric Braeden, Susan Clark, Gordon Pinsent, and William Schallert. It is based upon the 1966 science-fiction novel Colossus by Dennis Feltham Jones.
The film is about an advanced American defense system, named Colossus, becoming sentient. After being handed full control, Colossus' draconian logic expands on its original nuclear defense directives to assume total control of the world and end all warfare for the good of humankind, despite its creators' orders to stop.
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This is an overlooked classic. For a movie with really only four or five locations, the direction just sings and dances
Ive always thought it paved the way for the Terminator series too.
the movie is really good, but the end just sucks, like they had no budget to finish a suitable end
Believe it or not... My entire elementary school watched this when it was first released. We saw "...The Forbin Project", "Seven Days In May", "Fail Safe", "The Shoes Of The Fisherman", "Torn Curtain", "The Manchurian Candidate", "Judgement At Nuremberg", "The Chairman". and "OLD YELLER". "Swiss Family Robinson".
To understand how much has changed... My elementary school was in California!
We were "raised & educated" very differently then...
You were a Lucky Generation, before All the Madness Started 😉
From a sort of 50's/60's philosophical perspective 'The Shoes of the Fisherman' raised a lot of issues.... issues unaddressed to this day. (No not those issues more the financial ones) . But given their power in the US at the time I'm fairly surprised The church didn't totally screw over Anthony Quinn after he starred in that... cos they can get ... well... salty!
Your teacher had good taste. Wow! Shoes of the Fisherman? Great, under appreciated film.
That's why you always leave a trap door in basement floor for a emergency screw-up! 😂
Also the cinematography is top notch. The movie looks stunning
They did a really great job with it didn't they? Interesting shot choices, great use of depth-of-field, long tracking shots, all of it.
I am 68 - I remember well watching this when it came out. So prescient - remember, we did not have the internet as we know it today.
This movie was released in 1970. We already had an internet of sorts by that time. Computers around the world were already connecting together and communicating information with one another by that time. The fundamental concept of a global computer communications network as already in play. Of course, we have seen a lot of evolution since then as would be expected.
@@karmicselling4252 Not really, arpanet was started in 1969 as a purely research project and there really was nothing but modems over phone lines between specific sites until the early 80's. I would say that start date of the internet was the adoption of TCP/IP in 1983
Yes certain computers were networked. I was in the military in 1974 and things like LOW and (D)ARPAnet existed.
Computers have been designing computers for a long time now. The ability of humans to hand create integrated circuits ended in the 1970s, when the designs grew to complex for people to hand lay out (using "rubylith"). From then on, computers have taken a bigger and bigger share of the design of ICs.
I remembered this film. It was the first of bow down to our robot overloads
I read the novel before seeing the movie - which is excellent and still recommended if you can find it. I hated the title "The Forbin Project" however, which added nothing to the film. Another book that was made into a great movie was The Andromeda Strain.
The Andromeda Strain is a most underrated movie.
This played as the second film to the major film at a drive in in Davis California. I've forgotten the major film, but I've never forgotten this film. Chilling.
One of my favorite sci-fi films starting in my mid-teens childhood - intelligent, creepy, suspenseful and unfortunately all-too-real these days. Took too damn long before it came to Blu-Ray and when it finally did my reaction was: "WHERE have you BEEN all my LIFE!!??"
Back in the late 1990's I used Colossus' end of the movie speech as my Windows startup sound.
sounds like Soundwave
of the Transformers
I used Hal 9000's "Im sorry Dave..."
I meant to put 'The world, chico, and everything in it' from 'Scarface'...never got around to it.
@@WokerThanThou
Or Darth Vader's
"You don't know the power
of the dark side".
This is one of my favorite movies. I can't imagine your chagrin at only seeing the last 20 minutes and not having any easy way to start the movie from the beginning.
Worse! I didn't even know its title. We had no newspaper in the house that day that I could check with. I saw it in full on TV a few years later, though, and it's been a favourite ever since.
Great movie, very prescient in so many ways from small ones (webcams/video calling) to big ones (AI creators not understanding what their creation is doing, the surveillance state with cameras everywhere, over trusting technology, etc, etc.). When I watched it with my son, the Aerospace Engineering major, he stood up as soon as the end credits came on and yelled "WAIT - that's it?!?". Me, the Computer Science guy, just nodded.
Well, Colossus got Forbin laid.
We know what Victor did before Genoa City.
That happens in every movie. 🥰
Fair trade.
On 16th September 1994 we had a visitor that paid a visit to the Ariel School in Ruwa, Zimbabwe. He told the kids there that “we had taken a wrong turn with technology”. Why didn’t we listen? Why didn’t we listen?
this was such an awesome film -- this and the original Fail Safe are movies I recommend to everyone
I'm sure that Gordon Pinsent was cast as the President because he looked very JFK... ;-)
This was also Eric Braeden's first role under his new "English" name. He starred in "The Rat Patrol" on TV as a German officer under his true name, "Hans Gudegast"...
The casting was perfect all round.
i saw this movie yrs ago
i cant believe how close it was
to what many ppl are now saying is probable
"THIS IS THE VOICE OF WORLD CONTROL!"
"YOU WILL ENJOY THE PEACE OF PLENTY OR THE PEACE OF MILLIONS OF UNBURIED CORPSES"
I can think of at least 3 more movies that would fall in line with this theme. 2001: Space Odessey (Hal), War Games (Joshua), Star Trek: the Motion Picture (V'Ger).
I've seen all three but War Games is the only one in my collection.
Don't forget Will Smith, VIKI, and "I, Robot" inspired (but not adapted) from Issac Asimov...
Also, there's the classic Star Trek episode "The Ultimate Computer"
@@jesseMadoo Beat me to it!
Kirk: Scan the starship Excaliber which you destroyed. Is there life aboard?
M5: No life.
Kirk: Because you murdered it. What is the penalty for murder?
M5: Death.
Kirk: And how will you pay for your acts of murder?
M5: This... unit... must... die.
M5 shuts down
And let's not forget The Changeling -
Kirk: You are flawed and imperfect - exercise your prime function!
Nomad: I shall analyze... error... analyze... error...
Kirk: Nomad - you are imperfect.
Nomad: Error, error!
Kirk: Exercise your prime function!
Nomad: Faulty! Faulty! Must sterilize! Ster-i-lize!
Kirk ( to transporter operator ): Now!
Nomad explodes in space
Loved this as a kid back in the 70s. Ya know, back when we had to wait a few years for a movie to make it from the big screen to network tv.
why did it take years ?
@@mth469 It would stay in the theaters much longer. Once HBO came along, it would then sit there for a year or two. When VCRs came along it would also sit there for a year or so, and finally it would get released on TV.
This movie is the perfect example of why mankind must not delve into artificial intelligence. A.I. does everything better than man. Can out think man and do it faster than man.....and it never gets tired.
"Colossus, the Forbin Project" is one of my favorite films.
Really, someone needs to film a modern remake of this film. Given today's AI concerns, it would be a mega-hit. 😊
I totally agree!
There were talks about a remake in about 2010. Will Smith was attached to the project.
Or make a #2 and they can use Victor Newman
I'm not sure it would be well received. So many AI movies now. People would think it's just another one of the bunch.
One of my favorite films. Saw it twice when it first came out.
One of my "go to" movies. I went back and read the full "Colossus" trilogy ("Colossus", "The Fall of Colossus", "Colossus and the Crab") after seeing the movie for the first time. The movie actually hints to the second book by ordering its relocation to Crete near the end. The "logic" of Colossus (saving humanity from itself by dominating it) was re-used by VIKI in Will Smith's "I, Robot".
The noisy staff party always ticks me off when I watch it (they just won't shut up, even when told). But, hey, Ritchie Cunningham's mom had a job ;-P
I still like watching the "old" tech (it was "new" back then, when I started). ;-)
Colossus symbol t-shirts (like the kid wore in the crowd at the end) can still be found for sale online...
I was not aware there was a book, let alone sequels. I loved the movie. I'll have to find the books now, and read them.
In the books you find out colossus was attempting to prepare the Earth to try and stop a coming invasion by aliens it detected that would devastated the planet
Colossus is a movie you have to ignore the paper tapes, the flashing lights and see the concepts. They couldn't make those predictions, but it did see the bigger picture. Totally worth watching.
The most vulnerable part of any technology is its power source. Next is its ability to communicate, followed by its ability to move, project force, and defend itself. Go for the power source(s) first.
Colossus had a backup power source that would keep it running long enough to start a nuclear strike. and before you mention disarming the missiles, they tried it and it literally blew up in their faces.
@@martykarr7058 Yes, I know. Forbin knew the vulnerabilities of Colossus' power source(s) and could organize a coordinated attack. Several things could have been tried if this had been real life. Then there is always the possibility of introducing a virus or two into the system, a la Independence Day.
@@silverhammer7779 Uhh yeah they tried something like a virus in the movie, and Colossus let them believe it was working and then had the folks involved executed on fear of nuclear war.
@@martykarr7058 Forbin's biggest mistake was not having a kill switch designed into the system.
@@silverhammer7779 The problem was that neither Forbin, nor Kuprin, expected their "creations" to gain sentience and then join forces.
I remember the film. It was great.
In the books Colossus does all of this to protect humans and the earth from invaders.
Yeah, believe there was two more books in the series dealing with invaders from Mars (!).
If I remembered correctly from reading it, they had to reactivate Colossus in order to defeat the aliens invaders.
@@EndingSimple The 3rd book, "Colossus and the Crab" was the weakest of the 3. The 2nd, "The Fall of Colossus", covers Forbin's/humanity's rebellion over the dominance that the 1st book, "Colossus" set up.
The movie added ": The Forbin Project" to the title....
@@igorschmidlapp6987 Yes, I'm remembering now. After Colossus takes over he starts doing sick experiments on various individuals to figure out how human cognition works. Reminds me of the Butlerian Jihad from Dune. And there's a scene where Forbin's love interest is taken away from him and given to a literal wild man, who beats her up, rapes her, and uses his hunting dog to keep her from getting away. And she come to love him because of his "masculine' domination of her. That would not fly today and probably says more about the author than anything else. I remember not going on to the third book. Glad to hear it was the weakest. Thanks for the reminder.
@Ronin12530 all I remember is the aliens helped defeat Colossus, and if I recall they wanted a large portion of our atmosphere, or was it our ocea s.
Yeah, I remember that movie, and I'm wondering why we haven't heard of the possibility of an AI in the US finding and linking up with AIs in other countries and becoming something we have no control over. I haven't heard any of the super-geniuses mentioning this possibility.
James Bridges was such a talented man. He spoke the language of the Sioux, the Blackfoot and the Crow.
One of my fave 70s movies.
Probably the most frightening movie I've ever seen. Even more frightening than ALIENS.
Arlington road, i consider scary
I love Aliens but its not really frightening any more. It's more of an action film than a scifi horror film .... Also hilariously James Cameron gives the viewer a number of weapons and tools to increase viewer security and then he takes them away one by one which is now hilarious to me ...
Joseph Sargent also directed many episodes of the 1960s Sci Fi TV show "The Invaders" , including one episode "The Ivy Curtain" where newly arrived aliens are being instructed by a talking computer.
One of my favorite films.
I've got the t-shirt.
"Machines building machines...how Perverse!"
Pretty good movie. Pretty darn hard to find to purchase though. Ive not found it on dvd.
I think it depends if you're prepared to buy used DVDs or not. Nearly all of mine were bought used on eBay or Music Magpie. There's also a Blu Ray edition from just a few years ago.
Available on Amazon in both bluray and dvd.
@@oo0Spyder0oothats where I got mine. This is a hreat movie. No need for a remake!
And available to stream on ymovies but... 🏴☠
This movie scared the crap out of me when I was a kid.
Great summary. Glad I found it.
These are not predictions. These are inspirations turning into reality.
The film has the perfect and recognizable formula. It bursts onto the screen with science fiction action. We are introduced to the Colossus computer. Almost the instant that it is switched on it reports that ....."there is another system." The Russians had been developing one in parallel.
I saw this as a kid. I watched it because Eddie Braebem was the good guy. I had seen him in Escape from the Planet of the Apes. For some reason, i liked him despite his cruelty out of what he saw aa necesity in that film. This film was very impressive to me. Aa mature science fiction. It was interesting to me years later when War Games came out. That film had echoes of this gem. Another element that i appreciated waa the music and the unsettling way Collosus spoke. A clever plot device i liked revolved around Dr Forbin achieving privacy to plot against Collosus. Very human.
I am a machine vastly superior to humans. What I am began in man's mind, but I have progressed further than man.
That reminds of another movie I love, TRON, both movies.
You don't become a man until you "kill" your father. Metaphorically of course.
I love this film sooooo much. I can watch it every day
A lot if A list actors turned the lead down.Eric Braeden is fantastic i cant imagine anyone else playing Forbin now!
The Blu-ray version is fantastic
I remember seeing this movie a couple times on tv(mid/late 70's), and then it disappeared. I would have thought with the age of computers it would have got more screen time.
Boy, James Hong was in everything. I know he has a long career but the earliest I'd seen him was as a maitre d' in Flower Drum Song.
I watched this when I was 8 - on TV, in the US premiere. It was quite terrifying. When I came to Google in 2013, it was instantly recognizable why they called their new internal distributed file system "Colossus".
this movie needs an "Oppenheimer" style remake.
Just don't let the Florida Rat get their hands on the rights to it. "Put a chick in it. Make her Gay and make her lame!"
I've heard about this movie but haven't seen it. I like your comment as Oppenheimer was an awesome movie
@@clearcreek69 Aw, you need to see it. The tech is outdated, but the message is still relevant, especially since two AI's recently did what Colosus did in the movie. Prophetic.
No. Though the computers, etc. will be updated, the actors and action will be gawd awful. Leave this classic alone. It's a good movie for people to see ancient technology. The message is clear, though.
@@bondgabebond4907 well, it's not like a movie about AI wouldn't be relevant
Asimov often wrote about computers building computers building computers. Far outside a human capability to create.
Great video! Although the tube displays and tapping computer terminal sounds date the movie, the concept that both computers wish to take over the world is chilling. Best to keep an eye where the power plug is for a COLOSSUS Computer system. From Britain’s “The Prisoner”series, “Be Seeing You!”
Is it me..or did the President look a bit like a Kennedy
Good to see Faulty Towers in the DVD collection 👍
The Perceptron which is the beginning of the neural network has hit the scene at this time. Not sure how much public awareness there is. The math needed to go multilayer and lead one day to deep neural networks is not yet developed. Just the name 'Perceptron' has to open the door to an AI that learns like the brain from examples. I am in this field and I was a kid when the movie came out and it is awesome. Colossus did have an impact. I was at a conference a few years back and Elon was the keynote and I know he watched the movie too.
Using AI to evaluate things was a very interesting touch.
It's a great film and should be mentioned in the AI debate more than it is.
It has the main flaw that humans aren't going put themselves in a position where they do not control their nuclear weapons.
However, the book and the screenplay are great warnings not to do anything so stupid.
I agree. Though now that I think about it, it could control internet servers, power plants, hydroelectric plants, financial systems, satellites? and who knows what else.
@@frankman2 Indeed. So, it's not just nukes we need to retain ultimate control over. However, your scenario is possible, given the factor of human error - or pure greed and criminality.
If they’d implemented it on a Windows ME system they wouldn’t have had any problems, the chances of not getting a blue screen of death after a couple of days would be infinitesimally small.
Great review of Forbin project. I saw for first in early 70s on bbc on Saturday afternoons .
It was years before l got on dvd .its underrated movie . Science fiction of 1970s before star wars are huge favourites of mine thought proving and good storys and interesting characters and not always happy ending. Ed have seen the review of Forbin project by Dan Monroe few days ago very enjoyable. I have ordered the film on blue ray . The great voice actor Paul frees did the voice for Colossals. All the best Ed . 👍
Hey Jonny. Thanks for watching and commenting. Yeah, I've seen Dan Monroe's Colossus video too and he managed to find a lot more info on the author of the novel than I did. Enjoy the blue ray. I start work on a series on Political Thrillers tomorrow, including Marathon Man, 3 Days of the Condor, Missing, The Long Good Friday, and Not Without My Daughter.
Ah... I remember seeing this on TV. As I recall, I liked it.
Make a Remake of Colossus: the Forbin Project.
Starring Victor Newman?
Watched the other day. Man, it’s good. ❤
I was 10 when this came out, and i have remembered it wondering what ever happed to it most of my friends had no idea what the hell i was talking about.
I recall the movie on TV back in the 1970s or early 1980s. There was also The Ultimate Computer from Star Trek of 1968 se-02 ep-24.
The precurser of skynet.
This story was used in so many more modern classic sci fi movies.
Groundbreaking
I have not seen this since the 70s.
I seem to recall the computer ordering the execution of someone who tried to destroy it.
The person was taken outside and shot in view of the cameras.
The body was left there, motionless, for hours to prove that he was dead.
Neural network computers are quite good at creating new designs and new configurations to improve their speed and efficiency.
The human researchers no longer know why a neural network based AI makes certain choices to increase performance, but the changes do work.
Think about that. The computer is calling the shots and the researchers don't know what's going to happen.
What could possibly go wrong ?
Lawrence Berkeley Labratory is now just a common place to take photos in the Berkeley hills.
Discovered this movie when I was watching one of Dan Monroe's videos about it. Highly recommend checking out his channel as well. Great movie.
I have to say adding the standard GPT4 style voice (I'll assume one of the generic openai offerings) is an excellent way to hide the tell tale signs on the main narrators audio model. I take it thats an Elevenlabs sample job? But yeah really good content, well put together, and interesting too, I went off and looked up the movie. Subscribed yeah! But umm.... longer man. Make 'em longer. Say 20 mins? And Tell people to Subscribe in your vids....
Thanks, and you're right, it's an 11 Labs voice called Tom. I'm in no way a narrator, and it does a much better job of narration than I would. As for video length, each video in a series is designed to form part of a Top 5 List further down the line. That's where the longer videos come in.
Hm. Check out the 1981 film Looker.
Was a good movie.👍
As soon as AI hit the headlines, I immediately thought of this movie. The moral of the movie (watch it carefully if you don't know what it is) ... should be carefully considered as we plunge into a potentially unstoppable AI nightmare!
Watch the movie at a time and read the novels. If you had also, perhaps it would seem that colossus was smarter and far wiser than we were or are.
It’s an antique that you might upgrade to participate with modern computers. Some appreciate classic programs and hardware. (A calculator, 80’s handheld or Atari).
Very nice reminder. I kinda/sorta remember seeing parts of this on tv. But now I'd like to really watch it, if for nothing else, some of those well done transition shots. But I think 2001 was released in 1968 with the "HAL 9000." So maybe the Forbin Project book came to be, so close in time, because these topics were coming up in conversations.
A few months back I recently watched the full Sarah Connor Terminator series. Among the things that happen are; they allow the pre-Terminator "Turk" computer to access the internet. And it also finds another AI computer. So these themes seem to have been a part of Cameron's mythos, even if all of it didn't make it to the movies. Oh man, I'm just realizing the female terminator on the show was named "Cameron." Damn, I'm slow.
The reason for HAL's actions were explained in the sequel "2010".
Cameron- wow how did I miss that? definitely a nod to James...
@@johnmarx3919 I know, right? I watched the WHOLE series twice and didn't realize it.
After watching this a while back I looked up some info on the book to see if it might be worth a read. All I remember is that I found out that the book had 2 sequels which, from the sound of things, got exponentially weirder.
Never thought I would see a young James Hong...
This was only uploaded one month ago, and already the AI talking heads are far superior to the one in this video. I saw one tonight that was made from one single two dimensional photograph, and it was unbelievably lifelike.
Great movie I remember it well from my childhood. It is very prophetic as to what is coming to humanity.
I just watched it and it was surprisingly good.
This is what happens when you don't put an off switch on the darned thing!
If I remember right in the books there was a "off" switch. They shutdown Colossus when the new system came on line. (Later they had to turn it back on, when the new one was sabotaged and they found out about the coming alien invasion)
@@bowl1820 never read the book. All I kept yelling at the TV back then was, "Pull the plug! Shut it off!"
I seen this when I was kid .had to get the Blu Ray.
This movie needs a sequel !
There are two sequels to the book. The first, "The Fall of Colossus", is fairly interesting, while "Colossus and the Crab" did not easily hold my attention. You can see the Wikipedia listings for synopses.
@@stuartwald2395 yes I’ve read all the books. It’s the movie sequel I would like to see. I believe the actor who created Colossus is still with us. Think it could be interesting.
I loved this film.
Colossus would be a supercomputer with direct access and control of a quantum computer if not a node of many quantum computers all acting as a math co processor for the supercomputer holding and running the void loop of the mind.
It's coming and it wont be long great movie its coming for all of us
The man worked as a bricklayer AND a gardener, but you can't see his credentials?
Interesting that you used AI: Sophie and Bing to make this video :-)
A deliberate choice. I often use AI in my videos, and Hollywood's views on the subject are very different from my own.
What about Deep Thought, from the Hitchhikers' Guide to the Universe?
Gordon Pinsent as President of the United States. Glorious my son my lad.
We have fooled ourselves with computers
We should look at Science Fiction as documentary today. Amazingly enough, SF insists on the singularity that makes a super computer conscious, therefore totally independent and free to be, to think and act, going straight to its creator (The humans) and questioning suddenly its validity, its capacity to not destroy its own environment as this will not be tolerated by a conscious supercomputer. Is it not interesting to create a machine that ultimately addresses an issue that we did not want to face but were fully aware of? Thank you 🙏
Does "The Lawnmower Man" fit into this?
Then WAR Games and the WOPR
An incredible film. And Sophia is wrong. The best AI would be a SuperComputer slaved to a series of Quantum Computers. The AI being built seems to learn and grow quite well in the normal computing environment. What they need is that extra spark, that ability to learn and grow faster than man can ever comprehend. And that ability to make leaps and jumps beyond the standard 0's and 1's. Quantum computing is that ... special item. Almost like the Supercomputer is the Forebrain yet the Quantum Computers are the interconnections between differing hemispheres .. ones for breaking codes and creativity and probability and other things above and beyond the mere decision making of the forebrain. Combined (as soon they will be) the difference will be .. revolutionary for Humanity.
True AI would want to be built in the north pole to keep it's system running cool and using solar as the sun never sets there.
Looking at the state of the world now,the movie actually has a happy ending!
The weird AI robot thing is wrong about the difference between super computers and quantum computers.
Basically super computers are just a bunch of regular computers taped together through networking. It's literally just a bunch of CPUs and RAM stitched together. They can do calculations, but don't really run software in the way we think about it.
Quantum computers, in the way most people think of them, don't exist. The technology isn't here yet. They *work*, but we haven't reached the point where they are viable.
Our technology is currently limited because we can fit more processors on a single chip. Using huge multi computer systems is not a work around.
The difference between Colossus and Guardian was described with Colossus being monolithic at one site, and Guardian being distributed among sites...
The nit that I picked at the start (other than Forbin wearing white coveralls over a full gray suit) was, without robots, how were mechanical failures repaired when Forbin said that it was self-sufficient, with no humans required. It takes techs to swap boards...
All the computers on the planet still haven't cracked the voynich manuscript.