@KeyIssues do you believe in the principle that Jedi generally grow in power with each era? We know this is true for Sith via rule of 2, but I have always viewed it as an unwritten rule that each generation surpasses the past, with outliers ofc
@@mcsquigg37 Ummmmm I don't think so since Porter still clears most of the highest tier Jedi of generations after his. I think it really just comes down to who joins the Jedi with the highest potential and who makes the most of that potential. I would say as a whole maybe? Until they started receding from the galaxy after The High Republic. Which is why they were weaker overall after the end of The High Republic era.
@@KeyIssues would you apply this to Sith as well (force users as a whole)? Because then wouldn’t that possibly contradict the rule of 2 from the standpoint of the sith? I’m just curious
@@mcsquigg37 the rule of two is weird I’m still not exactly sure how it works but each generation would be stronger as the apprentice always has to surpass the master. It’s not that way for the Jedi. Also easier to have two Uber powerful Sith than Jedi always at a similar level simply due to the number of Jedi who exist imo. There are exceptions like Mace Windu and Anakin, but every other Jedi who have human life spans are no where near Sidious… but again it comes down to potential. The new Sith master will ALWAYS look for the apprentice with the highest possible potential. If a more powerful prospect shows up, they have no problem killing and replacing their current apprentice. Jedi on the whole might have 5 Jedi with similar potential to the current two Sith. For example, Maul’s potential was more than his mother who rivaled Sidious and Windu. Dooku had the most potential of his generation. Anakin had the most potential ever.
I think Anakin, Luke, and Ben all have roughly equal potential, but Luke was the one who spent the longest as a light side user to refine and develop said potential.
I think Anakin clearly has the biggest potential given what happened in mortis. I dont either Luke or Ben are able to control the representation of light and darkness.
yea but grand master luke never reached his full potential he was the closet to unlocking his full potential as force users can increase their lifespan and replinish their stamina
Idk if Ahsoka, Cere, Rey and Ben are really stronger than people like Windu. Rey and Ben have the potential and the raw power, but I don’t think they have the skill, technique, and control. I think that all of the 4 I mentioned are in the top 10, but they are higher than I would put them.
the problem is that they have the feats and statements that put them above mace. Mostly the scaling they ALL have to Vader while Windu doesnt even scale to vader at all😭
@@illapuproductions You think Windu would put up a fight against vader when him against Anakin (who is much weaker than Vader) is a hottly debated topic?
I think a lot of Star Wars fans need to realize is just because you don’t like a character does not mean they’re not strong i love Plo and and Rahm Kota but i know that they would be a smudge on the floor if they were to face anyone in this list even the ones i dislike
This was a great top 10 video. I appreciated your efforts to include the High Republic and back up all your claims with actual source material. There were definitely some spicy takes on this list, but overall, I agree with most of it. My biggest dissagrements are with your placement of Cere and Ahsoka. Windu and Yoda both dueled Palpatine and came out on top, neither Cere nor Ashoka accomplished that feat. Ashoka barely held off the Emperor in the World between Worlds, and if Filoni was saying that Ashoka was more powerful than Yoda during Rebels, that was probably only due to Yoda's extreme age. Unless the Ashoka show says otherwise peak Yoda is clearly more powerful than Ashoka. We never got to see Mace Windu fight Vader, but there is no reason he wouldn't have done just as well, if not better, than Cere. My take on the Cere vs Vader duel is that Vader spent most of the duel not fully trying, but then when he stopped playing with Cere, she never stood a chance. I don't think she actually came that close to beating him. Also, if you are going to put her so high on the list for "almost" killing Vader then you have to include Kirak Infil'a who absolutely wrecked Vader's face. Sure Vader wasn't as strong at the time (and didn't even have a lightsaber,) but the comics showed him to be completely outclassed by Master Infil'a. Vader was only able to kill him by making Infil'a choose between trying to save innocents or defend himself. Aside from the duel with Vader, Cere really doesn't have other feats that put her on par with the others on the list. I personally don't think she would make my list for (The 10 Most Powerful Jedi of All Time), but otherwise, I think there is a good argument for everyone else to be on the list (even if I might re-arrange it) and you definitely got the #1 spot right (which is the most important one anyway) so good job. This might be a fun video to update in the future as more canon content is released. I will watch it.
1. That Vader is stronger than the Sidious that Yoda and Mace fought. Sidious and Vader both become way more powerful than the Clone War era Jedi. 2. Vader hadn't surpassed Anakin when he fought Kirak. Vader was also not used to his suit yet. Thanks for watching and your detailed comment!
@@KeyIssuesyou're COMPLETELY wrong. I don't see how you saw canon material from the movies and TV shows and got this list COMPLETELY WRONG. Ashoka more powerful than Mace?? That alone is absurd. George Lucas himself would ask you wtf are you thinking??
To wadewilson8011: you clearly have no idea how power scaling works. So don't say key issues is wrong when he knows a lot about power scaling and you don't. You're also being very rude if you don't like the list then leave ok jerk weed.
This was actually very helpful I get to see how strong anakin and Luke are in Disney canon and with Seth the programmer I get to see how strong anakin and Luke are in legends
Nice list I agree with basically every spot on the list and I just want to say thank you for finally actually acknowledging Luke’s strength as the equal in everything to Anakin in potential as nobody ever even mentions that when talking about Luke and just say he’s weak because Vader was holding back and conflicted but to be fair look didn’t want to kill his father in that duel but anyways people are like he’s weak because he’s weaker than he is in Legends.
@KeyIssues hey I need u guys to do a video on web weaver he was just confirmed for season 4 the boys please do it now PLEASE I WANNA KNOW WHO HE IS PLEASE
Id have said theres a possiblilty for Kenobi to be in here. His feats are so impressive when it comes to duelling that he could have squeezed on there. Including guiding the most powerful jedi ever in Luke too.
@@DrUmar-gu4kpand almost every time maul beats him anyways if he wasn’t so cocky he would have beaten obi wan and killed him but that wasn’t satisfying for him
@@Holychicken232 you say that but thats what makes Obi wan so strong. His ability to read a duel and how to counter for a win. Hence Maul hasn't beat him.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp Nerfed Anakin? He's beaten Anakin twice. Maul he kills when he's an old man. And Grevious has killed many Jedi so I wouldn't call him nerfed either especially when obi wan lost his lightsaber during the fight vs grievous. Don't discredit these feats because he's still beaten them.
@@thevision645 he only read his duels against anakin since they fought practically every day in spars surre it isn’t the same thing but obi wan can easily counter most of anakins basic attacks since he would learn how to in sparring contests if your talking about Ben kenobi sure I think you can make an argument for him but not during or after he beats a heavily conflicted anakin who’s he fought before and knows what to do
I always wondered how strong was Luke was in the original trilogy compared to other Jedi and sith,like how would he do against maul in the prequels,could he beat dooku or young obi wan,could Luke in ROTJ beat ROTS anakin
Can you please do this for the darkside ? I would love to see your placements, while it’s pretty obvious who the top 2 would be I still think it’s worth a video.
@@aaronrodriguez9376 IMO the Son would be first as he’s literally the God of the Darkside, probably Palpatine, then Vader. Palpatine is strong but there’s no way he’s above a primordial being (at least in canon).
@@jamariojackson4289in Canon, the list goes like this: 1. The Son 2. Palpatine 3. Count Dooku 4. Exim Panshard 5. Darth vader 6. Darth Maul 7. Darth Bane 8. Lord Momin
@@hellothere-bx8cf I agreed until you put Dooku at 3. No way I see Dooku beating Bane or Vader, and Dooku needed helped to take down Maul and Talzin from Grievous and Sidious, but lost to Maul in a 2v1 with Grievous earlier in the same comic (a canon comic called the ‘Son of Dathomir’) so there’s no way I’m buying Dooku over Maul when he couldn’t even beat him tag teamed with GG, let alone him being above Bane and Vader. Where is this canon list ? I’d love to see it.
I think I only disagree with where Mace and Yoda are on the list. Cere Junda might have almost defeated Vader, it doesn't mean that Mace couldn't have beat him. Mace defeated Palpatine who was even at that time much stronger than Vader. I do like that you pointed out that Mace could use the dark side of the force against Palpatine so it doesn't necessarily mean that he could beat someone like Yoda who doesn't use the dark side. Since Mace did beat Palpatine, pretty much on his own since the others died almost immediately, I think he should be above Rey and Ben since they both needed to be there to beat Palpatine, who also might not have been at his peak power at that point with being previously thrown into a death star beam. Yoda should be above Mace since he, in general, is just a stronger Jedi, as stated in a number of texts. But overall I agree with the rest of your points even if they initially surprised me. Loved the logic on a lot of them.
This video was great, loved the editing and I loved how you used canon sources such as comics, novels and statements to help back up your claims, also I'm so happy to finally see some Ben, Cere, Ahsoka and Rey get the representation and respect they deserve. So often in the fandom those characters (Ben and Rey especially) are downplayed just because, when in reality they're extremely powerful. Also love the fact you included High Republic stuff, as a big fan of the High Republic its nice to see it brought up in a video. You just earnt a subscriber
I love your videos key issues you got me into power scaling. Also please don't pay attention to the people who are being rude they are overestimating and underestimating feats. They also don't seem to understand power scaling at all.
In relation to Cere’s fight with Vader may I ask what are your thoughts about people who bring up how if Vader grabs Cere he just tosses her aside instead of stabbing her? Do you take in game taunts like this as canon or only a game mechanic and nothing more?
Very well made video I respect the amount of evidence you acquired to determine who should be on the list just not sure I agree with the order of people. Also I feel like Ahsoka should be lower and Obi Wan should at least be on the list.
Loved the video, to be honest I would’ve put kirak in front of mace, but overall I loved the video, also was surprised to not see obi wan here tbh, as he was an equal to new hope vader
Ben Solo finally getting the respect he deserves…man’s been disrespected for years now, even though he’s got some of the most rock solid scaling in all of canon.
@@liampatterson2946 You have read the statements that literally compare him to Anakin/Vader right…you have read the comics right…you definitely aren’t biased af and just ignorant to the canon…right?
@@liampatterson2946 You have watched the video right You have read the comics and seen the statements right? Or are you just being biased and ignoring the canon just because you don't like the Sequels or his character?
@@KeyIssuesAlright, just the arguments in the video were from Rebels... ok, we can assume she came back to being a jedi in her show and she kept that power level 👌
Disagree with some of the placements , but im happy to see HR rep as well as the dyad duo on this (people genuinely believing they get folded by season 1 Ahsoka lol)
Not really they only strong because they only know force users in that era pretty sure Anakin and Obi wan can take them down hell any past Jedi can them down.
@@jaieregilmore971 guess u didnt watch the video. Stop spouting bullshit and show us feats and statements that put obi or any prequel titan over ben solo
@@galacticgamingguy5906 We both know Dyad last minute plot device and wasn’t stated Snoke created that bond in first place and later recton as for skywalker blood at least in Disney canon fully realized it potential is Luke but the rest is wasted.
A solid list all around mate. The one thing I would have changed wouldn’t be to have removed a character but to have added one. I personally think Loden Greatstorm from the High Republic should have been on this list either at number 10 himself or tied with Avar Kriss for the numerical ranking since they’re so close in power. My main argument for him is the comparison between Loden and Bell’s feat of holding back Lourna Dee’s starship during The Rising Storm novel and Avar’s similar feat in the comics against the same starship. Loden manages to nearly pulls back Dee’s ship despite the fact that he had been being tortured for over a year by the Nihil until the Leveler interfered and killed him while Avar at a normal level of power had failed to replicate the feat. Loden did have his apprentice Bell’s assistance during his showing but I’m not sure how much of an assist that was considering that Bell’s power was dwarfed by his masters. Either way it was a good list and I’m glad to see Jedi of the High Republic at all on these kinds of lists as I don’t see the era get any sort of power scaling. My comment isn’t one of criticism but rather just another idea to add to the list.
I feel like Windu and yoda should be 6 and 5 respectively. While Cere being a match for Vader is impressive Windu was able to actually beat Sidious. And given that Yoda scales higher than Windu due to not being in his prime during clone wars he also likely would’ve been able to beat Sidious in his prime. Ashoka is strong but I don’t see her ever being able to beat Sidious. At the very least I feel like Yoda should rank higher than Ashoka if we’re going by Yoda’s prime.
Do we know for sure if Vader,without legends stuff, in between Episodes 3 and 4 is stronger than Anakin in RoS? Because that could really change a lot of the positions in this list
Thank you for Including Ben Solo. In the star wars community his power level is extremely understated. Would you consider doing a full video on his power? Awesome video!
Why is episode four Obi-Wan Kenobi not on this list😢 he directly skills to Darth Vader so he’s on the same level of Ahsoka and episode six Luke Skywalker.
In Legends he does, but not in canon. From a Certain Point of View states he was being destroyed by a holding back Vader who wanted to see how much weaker Kenobi had become.
All skywalker have the same potential in canon. Stop wanking this idea about anakin full potential. He doesnt exist lmao and never will and cant be used in scaling
This list doesn’t make any sense, how can you not include obi wan kenobi? He beat maul as a padawan, he beat grievous plenty of times, and he also killed him (and mace windu himself stated that the only one capable of consistently beating grievous was obi wan). He outsmarted Vader on mustafar cutting off 3 of his limbs, he destroyed him once again in the kenobi series and hold his own before sacrificing himself in their last encounter (and that time, George Lucas said that his force power scale was way higher than Vader’s, in fact he was at the same level as palpatine). He also killed maul, and defeated him and his brother many times in various encounters. He’s the master of soresu, and it’s stated that a master of soresu at his peak is technically unbeatable in a duel. And also last but not least, he’s the master of high ground. He’s canonically unbeatable, arguably one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy (and probably the strongest Jedi ever) when the high ground is involved in the battle
First of all maul was going very easy on obi wan probably not even using half his power. He was a complete counter to grievous which is why he was able to defeat him. Anakin was severely nerfed mustafar and obi wan had to become enlightened to defeat him. Finally when he fought Vader in the Kenobi series he caught him off guard, and had to become enlightened again. On top of that this is a non prime Vader who was very conflicted, overconfident, and got surprised by obi wan because he thought he won. Which means this Vader was probably around 6 times weaker than the one ahsoka fought and 3 times weaker than the one cere fought.
You should probably get your brain checked out. Seems like a pretty big thing to forget considering she is the star of 3 of the biggest Star Wars movies ever made.
There are multiple canon statements saying that Palpatine threw his fight with Windu, so I don't think it's as black and white as you made it out to be.
Obi wan should easily be #1. He accomplished several things which greatly contributed to the good guys winning. He beat Vader twice. On Mustafar in 3 & recently in “Kenobi” He gave Luke reason and purpose after letting Vader strike him down the third time they went at it. *obi-wan purposefully looks at him before it happens knowing how powerful this moment will be ***(Obi-wans body literally disappears into the force) He killed Maul Twice. He killed General Grievous. He protected Luke on Tatooine. He protected Leia in “Kenobi” He brought Luke to Yoda. The list goes on and on….
I think vader was suppressed because I think he's still in pain from fighting Obi-Wan because the kenobi series happens in the same year as jedi survivor
I agree with the list but I don’t believe mace windu should b behind a lot of the ppl in front of him… also why isn’t shaak ti on the list… it was stated she equal to count dooku as a duelist, where is bastella, shatelle Shan
@@Fulcrum-27 Kenobi was resilient and never gave up on perfecting himself, but forcewise he was much weaker than any jedi mentioned here and others not mentioned. He's greatest achievement, besides the fight with a conflicted and arrogant Anakin, was defeating Grievous, a machine in most accounts that almost any old republic jedi would have defeated easily or with just a little effort. And it's known he only defeated Grievous because he delivered himself completely to the force and this was, in some ways, his prize bone. I do love Kenobi, btw. Unfortunately he's timeline is during the clone wars and all Jedi dogma and blindness. He would be a much better jedi in the High Republic without his self imposed constrains due to his blind loyalty to an outdated jedi order that crumbled like a sand castle to the power of two sith. Cheers.
Obi wan Kenobi is top 10. Sure his raw Force power is mediocre at best, but -thinking about power as in who wins in a 1v1 battle to the death. Kenobi annihilates basically anyone who isn't Top 10. His record of feats is absolutely incredible. He won a 2v1 duel against Savage oppress and Darth maul. Later killed maul in THREE moves Beat Darth vader twice kicked his ass and chopped him up. He outsmarts his opponents with his unrivaled fight iq , he don't need a huge midoclorian count to be considered "powerful" All the feats ahsoka has done kenobi did it better
The Vader obi wan fought was 6 times weaker than the one ahsoka fought. As that Vader was conflicted, non prime, surprised, and over confident. On top of that the Vader ahsoka fought was being buffed by a dark side nexus. This means ahsoka was slightly stronger.
@@nightknave744 yeah, Ahsoka seems to be a bit overrated here. It's like a "disney" effect. And I do love Ahsoka, but the clone wars Ahsoka, not the crossed arms one in the Mandalorian and Ashoka series - they really lame regarding character depth and general writing...
Haven't read the high republic but i will agree with 10 th placement and iam not including Pat Rock 10. Avar Kriss 9. Leia Organa (she fought with grandmaster Luke in a flashback) 8. Anakin Skiwalker 7. Mace Windu 6. Yoda 5. Cere Junda The vedio about her was very impressed and i consider Vader above Yoda so getting close to killing Vader is equal ro killing Yoda 4. Ashoka Tano She fought Vader (that was going for a kill) in later point in the timeline than Cere 3. Rey Skywalker 2. Ben Solo 1. Luke Skywalker 0.5. Rey (all the Jedi) 0. Anakin (Mortis amp)
Ahsoka was beaten by Skoll in her series (which for me are crap). Skoll was affraid of Anakin/vader as heck and all indicates he fled the temple while Ani stormed it. So being ranked higher than anakin is pure fantasy. Cere is most likely a better and more complete Jedi (or force wielder, as Ahsoka is no Jedi as she left the order as a Padowan never to return), but at the same time we really don't know how much Vader played with her until he got serious and impaled her after realizing she was more powerful than he first expected.
Mace and yoda are definitly above cere and ahsoka. Especially Yoda with his 900 year old knowledge. Also Ahsoka should be lower than cere. And don't even get me started on rey palpatine here. Her being higher than any previous jedi is a joke. She should be the one opening that list, not Avar. Oh, and ahsoka for sure hasn't surpassed vader. He didn;t toy with her, that's for sure, and it can be seen in their pretty intense duel that vader constantly has the upper hand over his former student. Ahsoka is able to hit him only because he was concentrating on retrieving the sith holocron from ezra and kanan. And she wasn't able to "briefly battle darth sidious", she was literally fighting for her life while sidious laughed at her. Oh, and reverting back to cere for a bit. Those falling, burning bookcases could and have damaged vader. If you'll play that scene one more time you can hear that vader's respirator sound has changed. The same respirator sound could be heard in ep. 6 after vader was suverely damaged by emperor's lightning.
Saying that Kyle Ren and Rey are more powerful than Anakin is a joke. In The Clone Wars, Anakin was already more powerful than Yoda and Mace - maybe just not in lightsaber combat - and George Lucas says that the only ones who could defeat Darth Sidious were: Yoda, Mace or/and Anakin. Rey couldn't defeat Palpatine alone in episode 9 (having to resort to the pathetic "I am all Jedi", and show that one of the greatest Sith would continue to electrocute someone who was striking him with his blows) and not even Kylo Ren. Therefore, Anakin is more powerful than both of them. Even if he doesn't surpass Anakin using the force with great feats in the prequels, the comics, books and The Clone Wars show how powerful she already was, including showing that she was the chosen one by being able to use the Retribution ability - which she has in Battlefront 2 on the Son and Daughter on Mortis. On top of all that, Anakin could use the force scream to defeat an opponent, as he did against Asajj Ventress.
i believe you are using “relative”incorrectly. things have to be relative in some specific regard, not just relative to each other without context or frame of reference.
@@Ballism. Yes but doesn't mean he was anywhere close to his fp, Luke and Anakin have the same potential which means Luke FP would practically be a god
@@KeyIssues im saying obi wan took high ground because he knew he would not beat anakin as he was skywalker was young kenobi was old thats what im saying
I enjoyed the video but I disagree with the list. Cere over Windu when she nearly beat Vader… but Windu beat palpatine who was stronger than Vader…. Yet Cere is stronger than Windu? Doesn't make sense. And Rey, and Ben Solo over Anakin, Mace Windu, AND Yoda? C'mon man. Also, Revans not even a top 10 Jedi of all time?
Both Vader and Sidious become more powerful after order 66. Ben has been confirmed to be reaching Luke's level in the Last jedi. Revan didn't make the list because there is no info on the old republic
@zacqueeentertainment7336 Never said that he was on par with Luke just that he was reaching that level (which is apparent since Luke's illusion dogwalked him). Luke saw that Ben's potential rivalled his own, and in the last jedi novelisation, he fears it's becoming a reality. He only looks weak in the sequels due to being torn between the light and dark (which nerfed his use in the force significantly), and when embraced the light he can use the full extent of his power.
i love this video. great information presented. i gotta say rey and ben being more powerful than ahsoka kinda blew my mind but you had great sources. excellent video!
He had great sources and didn't pay attention to any of them. This is the most subjective list I've ever seen, and any true Star Wars fans who has studied the lore and canon will tell you that this list's order is absolutely absurd. Ahsoka more powerful than Anakin, Mace, AND Yoda??? GTFOH. Stop with that BS right there. You're ignorant or lying to yourself if you agree with this clown.
Very interesting list, never considered Ben that powerful. I had Rey as the strongest because of the amp she got to beat Sidious. But I like the fact Luke is the strongest with Full Potential Anakin who could be the strongest as well.
Rey would be the strongest considering the amp, but as it was temporary, I had her at normal level for this video. I’m sure she will be top 3 when her new movie comes out.
Ahsokas placement (above Yoda) i do not agree, but great vídeo. Realy well made. And people do not understand Reys power. She is not a good character, but she is a Palpatine and, because of it and the dyad, she is strong.
Ahsoka even loses twice to Baylan Skoll, a master who seemingly fled the Temple when ani/vader stormed it after order 66. She's a bit over rated, although I do like her character - mostly in the clone wars and much less in the Mandalorian and Ahsoka series, as unfortunately she's very poorly written and becomes a shallow character that she never was during the clone wars animations where she was even just a kid (15-17 yo). Also she's not a Jedi, as she left the order as Padowan never to return, but that's just my pov.
Is it weird that movie Kylo and comic Kylo are kinda inconsistent through power he has potential but I think the writers hampered him power in the movies.
they are not inconsistent lmao. movie choreography doesn equate to skill or power kind of a weird and stupid take. just look at marvel. thor is an expert fighter in comics but he fights like a dumb slow brute in live action
I was iffy on the dark side one, mainly they fact that Kylo was above Vader is what got me. But the fact that you put Anakin at the bottom of the list is just dumb. Sorry but it’s just dumb.
@@MasterOfTheElements Luke "defeated" Ben with just an illusion (projecting himself trough the galaxy, something which would kill most jedi, even masters, right on spot if they tried to do the trick). If that is not a show of power I guess I need to be reeducated... (Yeah, I hate the sequels but for now it's what we've got - outside this kind of "exercises" I would literally ignore all of those 3 episodes, Disney canon is a crap maybe except for Jedi Fallen order and Survivor, but those are video games and a bit out of Disney know how so they have to play with what they got mainly when such mean a lot of money to Disney pockets; I would also like to mention KOTOR, but Disney killed it as canon - another stupid mistake of small minds).
I think Yoda is more powerful than Windu but Mace would maybe be the better fighter. But I do believe that Yoda is the most powerful jedi during the Clone Wars.
Not connected to the video sorry, but in a few videos I’ve seen of yours you keep saying the Ultron drones in age of ultron are made of grade 5 titanium what’s your source on that?
I think all your explanations are great. My only thought is that multiple times you mentioned Anakin, Mace, and Yoda are argued about which is stronger, yet Yoda doesn't make the list at all. While Mace may have beaten Sidious, though i don't necessarily believe sidious fought Mace 100% as he was a master tactician working to bring Anakin to the Dark, Yoda was also able to go toe to toe with him at over 800 years old. I'm not 100% sure where on the list I'd put him, but i think Yoda deserves a spot, even if only number 10
@@KeyIssues Ahsoka was even defeated twice by skoll which all points out fled the order when ani/vader stormed it. so i guess she's being a bit or a lot over rated, though I like her character a lot, but writers were a failure to her during the Mandalorian and Ahsoka series, she lost all character depth built in previous years...
May just be my personal bias against Luke, as I see him as a crybaby who gave up on the Force just because one of his students turned to the dark side, but I don't think he's nearly as powerful as people seem to think. If the original Jedi Order gave up on the Force when their students turned to the dark side, they would've dissolved during the time of Xendor, 20,000+ years before even the prequel movies. Although, I will admit most of my knowledge past the original trilogy is very limited.
disney cannon 1 luke 2 leia and redeemed vader 3 ben solo (cry harder stated equal to rotj vader) 4 i think you know but i shall not state her name 5 ben yoda ahsoka
I really wish star wars wouldn't super insane god level force feats, it hurts the lore especially how the original trilogy is more fantasy than sci fi like the prequels and sequels
@@wkdxcrimex he's pretty much more near to Cere at the end, mainly after working together with another force sensitive, Merrin, and by tapping to the Dark Side. If he can tap on it in a similar way Windu does, he surely will gain a place on the top ten. Don't forget he defeated Dagan, a high republic Jedi Master turned dark jedi, surpassing him where he was more powerful, his mind tricks; he also defeated a Gendai also beaten by Dagan to whom he says Cal is his pair as a Jedi. 23 yo, not yet on his prime, and promising even to get on the top 5 of this list, but ofc we need to wait on which direction the next game will turn to.
@@Maddog-xc2zv he might reach top 10 of the prequel/empire era but top 5 is way too far, Yoda Mace Anakin kenobi plo Ahsoka kit fisto are just too powerful even for cal
![พบรัก - INK WARUNTORN x FELLOW FELLOW [LIVE SESSION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1VonHhP6_Y8/mqdefault.jpg)
What have I done?
You’ve pulled the pin on a grenade, and you’ve lost the pin.
@KeyIssues do you believe in the principle that Jedi generally grow in power with each era? We know this is true for Sith via rule of 2, but I have always viewed it as an unwritten rule that each generation surpasses the past, with outliers ofc
@@mcsquigg37 Ummmmm I don't think so since Porter still clears most of the highest tier Jedi of generations after his. I think it really just comes down to who joins the Jedi with the highest potential and who makes the most of that potential. I would say as a whole maybe? Until they started receding from the galaxy after The High Republic. Which is why they were weaker overall after the end of The High Republic era.
@@KeyIssues would you apply this to Sith as well (force users as a whole)? Because then wouldn’t that possibly contradict the rule of 2 from the standpoint of the sith? I’m just curious
@@mcsquigg37 the rule of two is weird I’m still not exactly sure how it works but each generation would be stronger as the apprentice always has to surpass the master. It’s not that way for the Jedi. Also easier to have two Uber powerful Sith than Jedi always at a similar level simply due to the number of Jedi who exist imo.
There are exceptions like Mace Windu and Anakin, but every other Jedi who have human life spans are no where near Sidious… but again it comes down to potential. The new Sith master will ALWAYS look for the apprentice with the highest possible potential. If a more powerful prospect shows up, they have no problem killing and replacing their current apprentice.
Jedi on the whole might have 5 Jedi with similar potential to the current two Sith. For example, Maul’s potential was more than his mother who rivaled Sidious and Windu. Dooku had the most potential of his generation. Anakin had the most potential ever.
I think Anakin, Luke, and Ben all have roughly equal potential, but Luke was the one who spent the longest as a light side user to refine and develop said potential.
yeah i think you said it best.
Yeah although it seems like a Anakin had a bit more potential before his fight with Kenobi on Mustafar.
I think Anakin clearly has the biggest potential given what happened in mortis. I dont either Luke or Ben are able to control the representation of light and darkness.
yea but grand master luke never reached his full potential he was the closet to unlocking his full potential as force users can increase their lifespan and replinish their stamina
@@mikehunt6777Mustard fart really did him in
Idk if Ahsoka, Cere, Rey and Ben are really stronger than people like Windu. Rey and Ben have the potential and the raw power, but I don’t think they have the skill, technique, and control. I think that all of the 4 I mentioned are in the top 10, but they are higher than I would put them.
the problem is that they have the feats and statements that put them above mace. Mostly the scaling they ALL have to Vader while Windu doesnt even scale to vader at all😭
at most you could say Cere MIGHT not scale as much but she still did decent against vader while windu wouldn’t
@@idktbh8950 then you mustve have not watched the clone wars series etc to say that.
@@illapuproductions You think Windu would put up a fight against vader when him against Anakin (who is much weaker than Vader) is a hottly debated topic?
I think a lot of Star Wars fans need to realize is just because you don’t like a character does not mean they’re not strong i love Plo and and Rahm Kota but i know that they would be a smudge on the floor if they were to face anyone in this list even the ones i dislike
It’s a more than fair point I don’t like the sequels but boy there are so many people who just hate it with an odd passion.
putting ashoka above yoda is absolutely controversial lol
Controversial, but correct.
This was a great top 10 video. I appreciated your efforts to include the High Republic and back up all your claims with actual source material. There were definitely some spicy takes on this list, but overall, I agree with most of it. My biggest dissagrements are with your placement of Cere and Ahsoka. Windu and Yoda both dueled Palpatine and came out on top, neither Cere nor Ashoka accomplished that feat. Ashoka barely held off the Emperor in the World between Worlds, and if Filoni was saying that Ashoka was more powerful than Yoda during Rebels, that was probably only due to Yoda's extreme age. Unless the Ashoka show says otherwise peak Yoda is clearly more powerful than Ashoka. We never got to see Mace Windu fight Vader, but there is no reason he wouldn't have done just as well, if not better, than Cere. My take on the Cere vs Vader duel is that Vader spent most of the duel not fully trying, but then when he stopped playing with Cere, she never stood a chance. I don't think she actually came that close to beating him. Also, if you are going to put her so high on the list for "almost" killing Vader then you have to include Kirak Infil'a who absolutely wrecked Vader's face. Sure Vader wasn't as strong at the time (and didn't even have a lightsaber,) but the comics showed him to be completely outclassed by Master Infil'a. Vader was only able to kill him by making Infil'a choose between trying to save innocents or defend himself. Aside from the duel with Vader, Cere really doesn't have other feats that put her on par with the others on the list. I personally don't think she would make my list for (The 10 Most Powerful Jedi of All Time), but otherwise, I think there is a good argument for everyone else to be on the list (even if I might re-arrange it) and you definitely got the #1 spot right (which is the most important one anyway) so good job.
This might be a fun video to update in the future as more canon content is released. I will watch it.
1. That Vader is stronger than the Sidious that Yoda and Mace fought. Sidious and Vader both become way more powerful than the Clone War era Jedi.
2. Vader hadn't surpassed Anakin when he fought Kirak. Vader was also not used to his suit yet.
Thanks for watching and your detailed comment!
I don't have mind for Ahsoka, but cere could be replaced with Obi-wan.
@@KeyIssuesyou're COMPLETELY wrong. I don't see how you saw canon material from the movies and TV shows and got this list COMPLETELY WRONG.
Ashoka more powerful than Mace?? That alone is absurd. George Lucas himself would ask you wtf are you thinking??
To wadewilson8011: you clearly have no idea how power scaling works. So don't say key issues is wrong when he knows a lot about power scaling and you don't. You're also being very rude if you don't like the list then leave ok jerk weed.
@@wadewilson8011I’d say Ahsoka’s placement is pretty accurate
This was actually very helpful I get to see how strong anakin and Luke are in Disney canon and with Seth the programmer I get to see how strong anakin and Luke are in legends
Nice list I agree with basically every spot on the list and I just want to say thank you for finally actually acknowledging Luke’s strength as the equal in everything to Anakin in potential as nobody ever even mentions that when talking about Luke and just say he’s weak because Vader was holding back and conflicted but to be fair look didn’t want to kill his father in that duel but anyways people are like he’s weak because he’s weaker than he is in Legends.
Always gonna be excited to see how folks rate Jedi like Anakin or Mace. Good list
Thanks!
@KeyIssues hey I need u guys to do a video on web weaver he was just confirmed for season 4 the boys please do it now PLEASE I WANNA KNOW WHO HE IS PLEASE
Cere is the biggest outlier on the list imo. I wish we had more on Porter and even Ahsoka before throwing them in top 5, but what can ya do
the way Luke works as a grandmaster, i can hear luke doing that superman world is made of cardboard speech
Really good list, really good scaling. Really liking the editing too.
Thank you!
@@KeyIssues so luke is the number one force user?? Or just Jedi or against the number one sith who wins
I appreciate you giving luke the love and respect that he rightfully deserves, Imo he is the Goat.
Id have said theres a possiblilty for Kenobi to be in here. His feats are so impressive when it comes to duelling that he could have squeezed on there. Including guiding the most powerful jedi ever in Luke too.
His best feats are taking down nerfed anakin, maul, and a nerfed grevious. He doesn’t compare to a single character on this list.
@@DrUmar-gu4kpand almost every time maul beats him anyways if he wasn’t so cocky he would have beaten obi wan and killed him but that wasn’t satisfying for him
@@Holychicken232 you say that but thats what makes Obi wan so strong. His ability to read a duel and how to counter for a win. Hence Maul hasn't beat him.
@@DrUmar-gu4kp Nerfed Anakin? He's beaten Anakin twice. Maul he kills when he's an old man. And Grevious has killed many Jedi so I wouldn't call him nerfed either especially when obi wan lost his lightsaber during the fight vs grievous. Don't discredit these feats because he's still beaten them.
@@thevision645 he only read his duels against anakin since they fought practically every day in spars surre it isn’t the same thing but obi wan can easily counter most of anakins basic attacks since he would learn how to in sparring contests if your talking about Ben kenobi sure I think you can make an argument for him but not during or after he beats a heavily conflicted anakin who’s he fought before and knows what to do
Good vid mate, agree with most of them. Love your content, especially the Star Wars stuff. Keep it up!
You gotta do a kylo ren video that would be epic
I will
@@KeyIssues did you?
I always wondered how strong was Luke was in the original trilogy compared to other Jedi and sith,like how would he do against maul in the prequels,could he beat dooku or young obi wan,could Luke in ROTJ beat ROTS anakin
Luke stomps all of those guys
Yeah, he slams every Jedi and Sith during the Clone Wars
@@KeyIssues really? Even people like yoda and mace
Luke would win, yes.
Bro held his own against peak Vader, and beat him (when emotionally conflicted). He could beat Maul and Dooku without even using a lightsaber lmao
Can you please do this for the darkside ? I would love to see your placements, while it’s pretty obvious who the top 2 would be I still think it’s worth a video.
Who are the top 2 besides palpatine.
@@aaronrodriguez9376 IMO the Son would be first as he’s literally the God of the Darkside, probably Palpatine, then Vader. Palpatine is strong but there’s no way he’s above a primordial being (at least in canon).
@@jamariojackson4289in Canon, the list goes like this:
1. The Son
2. Palpatine
3. Count Dooku
4. Exim Panshard
5. Darth vader
6. Darth Maul
7. Darth Bane
8. Lord Momin
@@hellothere-bx8cf I agreed until you put Dooku at 3. No way I see Dooku beating Bane or Vader, and Dooku needed helped to take down Maul and Talzin from Grievous and Sidious, but lost to Maul in a 2v1 with Grievous earlier in the same comic (a canon comic called the ‘Son of Dathomir’) so there’s no way I’m buying Dooku over Maul when he couldn’t even beat him tag teamed with GG, let alone him being above Bane and Vader. Where is this canon list ? I’d love to see it.
@@jamariojackson4289 then I guess u could switch it with darth vader instead?
I think I only disagree with where Mace and Yoda are on the list. Cere Junda might have almost defeated Vader, it doesn't mean that Mace couldn't have beat him. Mace defeated Palpatine who was even at that time much stronger than Vader. I do like that you pointed out that Mace could use the dark side of the force against Palpatine so it doesn't necessarily mean that he could beat someone like Yoda who doesn't use the dark side. Since Mace did beat Palpatine, pretty much on his own since the others died almost immediately, I think he should be above Rey and Ben since they both needed to be there to beat Palpatine, who also might not have been at his peak power at that point with being previously thrown into a death star beam. Yoda should be above Mace since he, in general, is just a stronger Jedi, as stated in a number of texts. But overall I agree with the rest of your points even if they initially surprised me. Loved the logic on a lot of them.
This video was great, loved the editing and I loved how you used canon sources such as comics, novels and statements to help back up your claims, also I'm so happy to finally see some Ben, Cere, Ahsoka and Rey get the representation and respect they deserve. So often in the fandom those characters (Ben and Rey especially) are downplayed just because, when in reality they're extremely powerful. Also love the fact you included High Republic stuff, as a big fan of the High Republic its nice to see it brought up in a video. You just earnt a subscriber
When the old republic gets explored in canon this list is going to change I am sure
I love your videos key issues you got me into power scaling. Also please don't pay attention to the people who are being rude they are overestimating and underestimating feats. They also don't seem to understand power scaling at all.
thanks 🐐
In relation to Cere’s fight with Vader may I ask what are your thoughts about people who bring up how if Vader grabs Cere he just tosses her aside instead of stabbing her? Do you take in game taunts like this as canon or only a game mechanic and nothing more?
Very well made video I respect the amount of evidence you acquired to determine who should be on the list just not sure I agree with the order of people. Also I feel like Ahsoka should be lower and Obi Wan should at least be on the list.
Loved the video, to be honest I would’ve put kirak in front of mace, but overall I loved the video, also was surprised to not see obi wan here tbh, as he was an equal to new hope vader
Cade Skywalker and Darth Krayt would stomp this whole list!
Ben Solo finally getting the respect he deserves…man’s been disrespected for years now, even though he’s got some of the most rock solid scaling in all of canon.
You have seen the movies right
@@liampatterson2946 You have read the statements that literally compare him to Anakin/Vader right…you have read the comics right…you definitely aren’t biased af and just ignorant to the canon…right?
@@liampatterson2946 movie choreography doesnt equate to skill or power.
@@liampatterson2946Ben solo/ Kylo Ren is honestly the one good thing about the sequel trilogy
@@liampatterson2946 You have watched the video right You have read the comics and seen the statements right? Or are you just being biased and ignoring the canon just because you don't like the Sequels or his character?
Didn't Ashoka leave the jedi order and bacame a grey jedi in Rebels? I think she even said that she is no jedi anymore.
She’s called a Jedi in the trailer for her show so 😅 did t wanna leave her off due a technicality
@@KeyIssuesAlright, just the arguments in the video were from Rebels... ok, we can assume she came back to being a jedi in her show and she kept that power level 👌
Disagree with some of the placements , but im happy to see HR rep as well as the dyad duo on this (people genuinely believing they get folded by season 1 Ahsoka lol)
13:56 I don't like Rey or Kylo as characters but I gotta admit they're strong
Not really they only strong because they only know force users in that era pretty sure Anakin and Obi wan can take them down hell any past Jedi can them down.
@@jaieregilmore971 guess u didnt watch the video. Stop spouting bullshit and show us feats and statements that put obi or any prequel titan over ben solo
When you consider the Dyad and the Skywalker Blood it would at least be a fight.
@@galacticgamingguy5906 We both know Dyad last minute plot device and wasn’t stated Snoke created that bond in first place and later recton as for skywalker blood at least in Disney canon fully realized it potential is Luke but the rest is wasted.
@@jaieregilmore971Anakin, Mace and Yoda are getting smoked by TFA Kylo. And TFA Oneness Rey. It’s not a fair fight
This may technically be correct, but it’s like power ranking someone taking a poop in a brown paper bag and lighting it on fire.
A solid list all around mate. The one thing I would have changed wouldn’t be to have removed a character but to have added one. I personally think Loden Greatstorm from the High Republic should have been on this list either at number 10 himself or tied with Avar Kriss for the numerical ranking since they’re so close in power. My main argument for him is the comparison between Loden and Bell’s feat of holding back Lourna Dee’s starship during The Rising Storm novel and Avar’s similar feat in the comics against the same starship. Loden manages to nearly pulls back Dee’s ship despite the fact that he had been being tortured for over a year by the Nihil until the Leveler interfered and killed him while Avar at a normal level of power had failed to replicate the feat. Loden did have his apprentice Bell’s assistance during his showing but I’m not sure how much of an assist that was considering that Bell’s power was dwarfed by his masters. Either way it was a good list and I’m glad to see Jedi of the High Republic at all on these kinds of lists as I don’t see the era get any sort of power scaling. My comment isn’t one of criticism but rather just another idea to add to the list.
Man…. I miss Loden
@@KeyIssues RIP Loden😭
I feel like Windu and yoda should be 6 and 5 respectively. While Cere being a match for Vader is impressive Windu was able to actually beat Sidious. And given that Yoda scales higher than Windu due to not being in his prime during clone wars he also likely would’ve been able to beat Sidious in his prime. Ashoka is strong but I don’t see her ever being able to beat Sidious. At the very least I feel like Yoda should rank higher than Ashoka if we’re going by Yoda’s prime.
Vader is stronger than Yoda in a New Hope and by the time Ashoka fought him , Vader was amped, so he would at least scale to Prime Yoda
Do we know for sure if Vader,without legends stuff, in between Episodes 3 and 4 is stronger than Anakin in RoS? Because that could really change a lot of the positions in this list
Yes
@@KeyIssues U do know Mace windu is stronger than most u listed
Shoutout to Samuel for playing mace so damn well
You’ve just started world war 3 with those people you placed at 5, 4, and 3. Great video tho and I agree with pretty much this entire list.
Thank you for Including Ben Solo. In the star wars community his power level is extremely understated. Would you consider doing a full video on his power? Awesome video!
Awesome video man
Thanks!!!
Why is episode four Obi-Wan Kenobi not on this list😢 he directly skills to Darth Vader so he’s on the same level of Ahsoka and episode six Luke Skywalker.
In Legends he does, but not in canon. From a Certain Point of View states he was being destroyed by a holding back Vader who wanted to see how much weaker Kenobi had become.
Obi-Wan in canon is just not that powerful. He’s a great character no doubt but he’s never really been one of the top dogs in Force power
Do you think that if luke had his full potential, he would be more powerful than anakin at his full potential? Or would it be on the same level.
I like to think they’d be the same but idk for sure
All skywalker have the same potential in canon. Stop wanking this idea about anakin full potential. He doesnt exist lmao and never will and cant be used in scaling
They would be equal
I don't know about this...
Okay
This list doesn’t make any sense, how can you not include obi wan kenobi? He beat maul as a padawan, he beat grievous plenty of times, and he also killed him (and mace windu himself stated that the only one capable of consistently beating grievous was obi wan). He outsmarted Vader on mustafar cutting off 3 of his limbs, he destroyed him once again in the kenobi series and hold his own before sacrificing himself in their last encounter (and that time, George Lucas said that his force power scale was way higher than Vader’s, in fact he was at the same level as palpatine). He also killed maul, and defeated him and his brother many times in various encounters. He’s the master of soresu, and it’s stated that a master of soresu at his peak is technically unbeatable in a duel. And also last but not least, he’s the master of high ground. He’s canonically unbeatable, arguably one of the most powerful entities in the galaxy (and probably the strongest Jedi ever) when the high ground is involved in the battle
First of all maul was going very easy on obi wan probably not even using half his power. He was a complete counter to grievous which is why he was able to defeat him. Anakin was severely nerfed mustafar and obi wan had to become enlightened to defeat him. Finally when he fought Vader in the Kenobi series he caught him off guard, and had to become enlightened again. On top of that this is a non prime Vader who was very conflicted, overconfident, and got surprised by obi wan because he thought he won. Which means this Vader was probably around 6 times weaker than the one ahsoka fought and 3 times weaker than the one cere fought.
I forgot rey existed
You should probably get your brain checked out. Seems like a pretty big thing to forget considering she is the star of 3 of the biggest Star Wars movies ever made.
I didn’t forget but I wish I did😂
Obligatory Rey hate comment even though it’s been years since her trilogy ended lol.
@@KeyIssueswow the sequels are the worst movie ever should've never existed at this point lets say r2d2 beat sidious lmao
There are multiple canon statements saying that Palpatine threw his fight with Windu, so I don't think it's as black and white as you made it out to be.
Obi wan should easily be #1.
He accomplished several things which greatly contributed to the good guys winning.
He beat Vader twice.
On Mustafar in 3 & recently in “Kenobi”
He gave Luke reason and purpose after letting Vader strike him down the third time they went at it.
*obi-wan purposefully looks at him before it happens knowing how powerful this moment will be
***(Obi-wans body literally disappears into the force)
He killed Maul Twice.
He killed General Grievous.
He protected Luke on Tatooine.
He protected Leia in “Kenobi”
He brought Luke to Yoda.
The list goes on and on….
While I disagree with Rey and Ben on here, I'm with you on everyone else, though I probably would have ranked them a bit differently.
I think vader was suppressed because I think he's still in pain from fighting Obi-Wan because the kenobi series happens in the same year as jedi survivor
Thanks Disney for messing everything up for no reason
When the Kylo vid coming?
I agree with the list but I don’t believe mace windu should b behind a lot of the ppl in front of him… also why isn’t shaak ti on the list… it was stated she equal to count dooku as a duelist, where is bastella, shatelle Shan
this is a canon video
Yoda, Windu and Anakin after Rey and no Obi-Wan? did we fking watched the same saga?
Obi wan has only defeated Anakin and Vader when he was conflicted
@@BATMAN-pp6wz bruh he's a Jedi.
@@Fulcrum-27 and so is every fodder in the jedi order
@@Fulcrum-27 Kenobi was resilient and never gave up on perfecting himself, but forcewise he was much weaker than any jedi mentioned here and others not mentioned. He's greatest achievement, besides the fight with a conflicted and arrogant Anakin, was defeating Grievous, a machine in most accounts that almost any old republic jedi would have defeated easily or with just a little effort. And it's known he only defeated Grievous because he delivered himself completely to the force and this was, in some ways, his prize bone. I do love Kenobi, btw. Unfortunately he's timeline is during the clone wars and all Jedi dogma and blindness. He would be a much better jedi in the High Republic without his self imposed constrains due to his blind loyalty to an outdated jedi order that crumbled like a sand castle to the power of two sith. Cheers.
Obi wan Kenobi is top 10.
Sure his raw Force power is mediocre at best, but -thinking about power as in who wins in a 1v1 battle to the death.
Kenobi annihilates basically anyone who isn't Top 10. His record of feats is absolutely incredible.
He won a 2v1 duel against Savage oppress and Darth maul.
Later killed maul in THREE moves
Beat Darth vader twice kicked his ass and chopped him up.
He outsmarts his opponents with his unrivaled fight iq , he don't need a huge midoclorian count to be considered "powerful"
All the feats ahsoka has done kenobi did it better
AGREED like a lot of famous star wars content creator PUT Kenobi in Top 3...... this channel has know nothing about starwars LOL
The Vader obi wan fought was 6 times weaker than the one ahsoka fought. As that Vader was conflicted, non prime, surprised, and over confident. On top of that the Vader ahsoka fought was being buffed by a dark side nexus. This means ahsoka was slightly stronger.
@@aaronrodriguez9376And yet she loses to Baylan twice.
@@nightknave744 yeah, Ahsoka seems to be a bit overrated here. It's like a "disney" effect. And I do love Ahsoka, but the clone wars Ahsoka, not the crossed arms one in the Mandalorian and Ashoka series - they really lame regarding character depth and general writing...
No Obi wan? But he had Vader defeated?
Obi-Wan lost to Count Dooku twice! And Darth Vader killed him.
I’m not sure I agree with how low you put Anakin and Mace and Yoda, but I appreciate your effort.
Considering Vader >>> Anakin and Anakin rivaled Yoda and Mace, anyone relative to Vader is above them. Simple stuff
@@KeyIssues 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Haven't read the high republic but i will agree with 10 th placement and iam not including Pat Rock
10. Avar Kriss
9. Leia Organa (she fought with grandmaster Luke in a flashback)
8. Anakin Skiwalker
7. Mace Windu
6. Yoda
5. Cere Junda
The vedio about her was very impressed and i consider Vader above Yoda so getting close to killing Vader is equal ro killing Yoda
4. Ashoka Tano
She fought Vader (that was going for a kill) in later point in the timeline than Cere
3. Rey Skywalker
2. Ben Solo
1. Luke Skywalker
0.5. Rey (all the Jedi)
0. Anakin (Mortis amp)
Leia fought with a 5 ABY Luke, he wasn't the Grandmaster because he didn't even brought back the Jedi Order yet.
Ahsoka tano and cere above Yoda is absolutely disgusting never rank again 🙏🙏
Ahsoka was beaten by Skoll in her series (which for me are crap). Skoll was affraid of Anakin/vader as heck and all indicates he fled the temple while Ani stormed it. So being ranked higher than anakin is pure fantasy. Cere is most likely a better and more complete Jedi (or force wielder, as Ahsoka is no Jedi as she left the order as a Padowan never to return), but at the same time we really don't know how much Vader played with her until he got serious and impaled her after realizing she was more powerful than he first expected.
Mace and yoda are definitly above cere and ahsoka. Especially Yoda with his 900 year old knowledge. Also Ahsoka should be lower than cere. And don't even get me started on rey palpatine here. Her being higher than any previous jedi is a joke. She should be the one opening that list, not Avar. Oh, and ahsoka for sure hasn't surpassed vader. He didn;t toy with her, that's for sure, and it can be seen in their pretty intense duel that vader constantly has the upper hand over his former student. Ahsoka is able to hit him only because he was concentrating on retrieving the sith holocron from ezra and kanan. And she wasn't able to "briefly battle darth sidious", she was literally fighting for her life while sidious laughed at her. Oh, and reverting back to cere for a bit. Those falling, burning bookcases could and have damaged vader. If you'll play that scene one more time you can hear that vader's respirator sound has changed. The same respirator sound could be heard in ep. 6 after vader was suverely damaged by emperor's lightning.
What music is used in the Anakin section of the video?
Saying that Kyle Ren and Rey are more powerful than Anakin is a joke. In The Clone Wars, Anakin was already more powerful than Yoda and Mace - maybe just not in lightsaber combat - and George Lucas says that the only ones who could defeat Darth Sidious were: Yoda, Mace or/and Anakin.
Rey couldn't defeat Palpatine alone in episode 9 (having to resort to the pathetic "I am all Jedi", and show that one of the greatest Sith would continue to electrocute someone who was striking him with his blows) and not even Kylo Ren. Therefore, Anakin is more powerful than both of them. Even if he doesn't surpass Anakin using the force with great feats in the prequels, the comics, books and The Clone Wars show how powerful she already was, including showing that she was the chosen one by being able to use the Retribution ability - which she has in Battlefront 2 on the Son and Daughter on Mortis. On top of all that, Anakin could use the force scream to defeat an opponent, as he did against Asajj Ventress.
What about Satele Shawn? From what i remeber it was stated that she was the only Jedi theat neared Grandmaster Luke Skywalker in terms of power.
What about obi wan in oneness state with the force?
No temporary amps on the list or Rey and Anakin would be 1 and 2
@@KeyIssues oh ok thanks, out of curiosity where would obi wan rank then
Tossing around islands? And people gave Starkiller crap for redirecting a Star Destroyer…
not canon anymore. thank disney. also in the EU Luke was able to create dark holes, so... Disney canon sucks.
i believe you are using “relative”incorrectly. things have to be relative in some specific regard, not just relative to each other without context or frame of reference.
It's Luke. No question.
Anakin never achieved his full potential, Luke most certainly did. It's just Luke.
Luke never reached his fp nowhere close to it he went into Exile
@@princevegeta8144pre exile luke came very close to fp
@@Ballism. Pre Exile Luke was far from Luke's FP mate
@@princevegeta8144 nah he was not. Pre exile luke mastered lightsaber perfection had abilitys even sidious could just dream of he was close
@@Ballism. Yes but doesn't mean he was anywhere close to his fp, Luke and Anakin have the same potential which means Luke FP would practically be a god
hey do you think if the was no high ground or magma anakin would have killed kenobi easily yes or no
Iirc Anakin was dealing with conflict on top of all that stuff
Easily? No.
@@KeyIssues but he took high ground because he was old and tired
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Not sure what you mean by this. You asked if Anakin would win easily, I said no. He probably would win, though.
@@KeyIssues im saying obi wan took high ground because he knew he would not beat anakin as he was skywalker was young kenobi was old thats what im saying
Oh yes this is FAX and the people that aren't on tune with the power scaling of this canon will be mad
I enjoyed the video but I disagree with the list. Cere over Windu when she nearly beat Vader… but Windu beat palpatine who was stronger than Vader…. Yet Cere is stronger than Windu? Doesn't make sense. And Rey, and Ben Solo over Anakin, Mace Windu, AND Yoda? C'mon man. Also, Revans not even a top 10 Jedi of all time?
Both Vader and Sidious become more powerful after order 66. Ben has been confirmed to be reaching Luke's level in the Last jedi. Revan didn't make the list because there is no info on the old republic
@@BATMAN-pp6wz makes absolutely no sense
@zacqueeentertainment7336 which part?
@@BATMAN-pp6wz Ben Solo is on par with Jedi Master Luke Skywalker? That has to be a joke
@zacqueeentertainment7336 Never said that he was on par with Luke just that he was reaching that level (which is apparent since Luke's illusion dogwalked him). Luke saw that Ben's potential rivalled his own, and in the last jedi novelisation, he fears it's becoming a reality.
He only looks weak in the sequels due to being torn between the light and dark (which nerfed his use in the force significantly), and when embraced the light he can use the full extent of his power.
hey do you think if anakin skywalker reach his full potential he could have been on super and thor level
Comics Thor or MCU Thor?
@@KeyIssues mcu canon obviously
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Anakin slams MCU Thor
@@KeyIssues also dceu superman meaing anakin full potential
@@gerardocovarrubias3058 Yeah, he beats DCEU Superman too.
i love this video. great information presented. i gotta say rey and ben being more powerful than ahsoka kinda blew my mind but you had great sources. excellent video!
Appreciate it !
I feel like they would still lose to her due to her far superior combat skill, knowledge, and intelligence.
He had great sources and didn't pay attention to any of them. This is the most subjective list I've ever seen, and any true Star Wars fans who has studied the lore and canon will tell you that this list's order is absolutely absurd. Ahsoka more powerful than Anakin, Mace, AND Yoda??? GTFOH. Stop with that BS right there. You're ignorant or lying to yourself if you agree with this clown.
Where is Coleman Trebor?
Beyond comprehension
Could you do a vídeo about Kanan? He is my favourite Jedi (after Luke) and i think he is underrated, but inconssistent.
Although he's one of my favourites, he's not that powerful Compared to these, I'd say he's top 25 (power wise)
Very interesting list, never considered Ben that powerful.
I had Rey as the strongest because of the amp she got to beat Sidious.
But I like the fact Luke is the strongest with Full Potential Anakin who could be the strongest as well.
Rey would be the strongest considering the amp, but as it was temporary, I had her at normal level for this video. I’m sure she will be top 3 when her new movie comes out.
@@KeyIssues Question is Rey with the amp her basically having the power of every Jedi
@@ryanRosenblatt yeah based off what she said it’d be roughly thag
@@ryanRosenblattyes
Even amped rey doesn’t scale to prime luke
I want to know more about Star Wars I watched ALL the movies I haven’t watched clone wars or rebels yet. So do I read the novels or comics?
Ahsokas placement (above Yoda) i do not agree, but great vídeo. Realy well made. And people do not understand Reys power. She is not a good character, but she is a Palpatine and, because of it and the dyad, she is strong.
Doesn't matter i like more a great story with less good character than good character with à trash story
Ahsoka even loses twice to Baylan Skoll, a master who seemingly fled the Temple when ani/vader stormed it after order 66. She's a bit over rated, although I do like her character - mostly in the clone wars and much less in the Mandalorian and Ahsoka series, as unfortunately she's very poorly written and becomes a shallow character that she never was during the clone wars animations where she was even just a kid (15-17 yo). Also she's not a Jedi, as she left the order as Padowan never to return, but that's just my pov.
Is it weird that movie Kylo and comic Kylo are kinda inconsistent through power he has potential but I think the writers hampered him power in the movies.
they are not inconsistent lmao. movie choreography doesn equate to skill or power kind of a weird and stupid take. just look at marvel. thor is an expert fighter in comics but he fights like a dumb slow brute in live action
This list is impressive
Ahsoka above Yoda are you shitting me lmao
Do a Legends list. I’d love to see the twins and Anakin solo assessed by you.
Quite possibly the worst ranking I’ve ever seen
This is the worst ranking lol , how is yoda at 6 and anakin at 9
I was iffy on the dark side one, mainly they fact that Kylo was above Vader is what got me.
But the fact that you put Anakin at the bottom of the list is just dumb. Sorry but it’s just dumb.
A sith could toss an island? that seems kinda OP.
Luke can create blackholes. The Force really no limits to what it can actually do.
@@chrisnichols9014 is that canon or from Legends? Cause everyone is OP there.
@@MasterOfTheElements Luke "defeated" Ben with just an illusion (projecting himself trough the galaxy, something which would kill most jedi, even masters, right on spot if they tried to do the trick). If that is not a show of power I guess I need to be reeducated... (Yeah, I hate the sequels but for now it's what we've got - outside this kind of "exercises" I would literally ignore all of those 3 episodes, Disney canon is a crap maybe except for Jedi Fallen order and Survivor, but those are video games and a bit out of Disney know how so they have to play with what they got mainly when such mean a lot of money to Disney pockets; I would also like to mention KOTOR, but Disney killed it as canon - another stupid mistake of small minds).
Bro you gotta be kidding this list hurts me as a star wars fan lol
Such a terrible list
@@ItsVoidSkill How is it terrible
I knew he would but I can’t wait to see how “fans” react to having Ben so high.
Haters will cry but what can you do? LIE? Not me.
This is madness
I think Yoda is more powerful than Windu but Mace would maybe be the better fighter. But I do believe that Yoda is the most powerful jedi during the Clone Wars.
7:47 in other words Mace is just HIM
Yes!
I still agree with this list but I feel like resolve Obi-wan from ROTS/OWK is in this list.
this is gonna come out of know where but can i ask a math related question to scale something? (not good at math)
Not connected to the video sorry, but in a few videos I’ve seen of yours you keep saying the Ultron drones in age of ultron are made of grade 5 titanium what’s your source on that?
guidebook
@@KeyIssues oh which one if you don’t mind me asking?
I think all your explanations are great. My only thought is that multiple times you mentioned Anakin, Mace, and Yoda are argued about which is stronger, yet Yoda doesn't make the list at all. While Mace may have beaten Sidious, though i don't necessarily believe sidious fought Mace 100% as he was a master tactician working to bring Anakin to the Dark, Yoda was also able to go toe to toe with him at over 800 years old. I'm not 100% sure where on the list I'd put him, but i think Yoda deserves a spot, even if only number 10
???? Yoda is literally on the list at #6
Amazing video. The fact that you throw your sources straight there and back up your claims is fantastic. Well done 😁🤙
thank you!
U cant put Ashoka above Yoda, i knew this list was fucked when u said Mace created the Pod fighting style
He did in canon dummy
@@KeyIssues Ahsoka was even defeated twice by skoll which all points out fled the order when ani/vader stormed it. so i guess she's being a bit or a lot over rated, though I like her character a lot, but writers were a failure to her during the Mandalorian and Ahsoka series, she lost all character depth built in previous years...
PORTER MY GOAT
The best there is!
Our goat
May just be my personal bias against Luke, as I see him as a crybaby who gave up on the Force just because one of his students turned to the dark side, but I don't think he's nearly as powerful as people seem to think. If the original Jedi Order gave up on the Force when their students turned to the dark side, they would've dissolved during the time of Xendor, 20,000+ years before even the prequel movies. Although, I will admit most of my knowledge past the original trilogy is very limited.
Bruh why is rey and ben on list you are smoking.
1. Luke
2. Yoda
3. Anakin skywalker
4. Ben kenobi
5 Mace windu
disney cannon
1 luke
2 leia and redeemed vader
3 ben solo (cry harder stated equal to rotj vader)
4 i think you know but i shall not state her name
5 ben yoda ahsoka
@@idontwantonamethischannel DARTH caedus was stated equal or more powerful than Vader not Ben solo
@@idontwantonamethischannelleia is a featless fodder
@@legostmoeliot4360 read tros novel
@@Deity_devil defeated post rotj luke in a sparing match
I like the list a lot, but I would have included Plo Koon to be honest
Finally ahsoka gets some respect
Avar Kriss my goat
She's awesome!
I really wish star wars wouldn't super insane god level force feats, it hurts the lore especially how the original trilogy is more fantasy than sci fi like the prequels and sequels
Cal steady on the rise
Maybe in the top 10 by his next game? 👀
On the rise but far from this list from survivor he’s half as powerful as cere who myself think is lucky to have made this list
@@wkdxcrimex he's pretty much more near to Cere at the end, mainly after working together with another force sensitive, Merrin, and by tapping to the Dark Side. If he can tap on it in a similar way Windu does, he surely will gain a place on the top ten. Don't forget he defeated Dagan, a high republic Jedi Master turned dark jedi, surpassing him where he was more powerful, his mind tricks; he also defeated a Gendai also beaten by Dagan to whom he says Cal is his pair as a Jedi. 23 yo, not yet on his prime, and promising even to get on the top 5 of this list, but ofc we need to wait on which direction the next game will turn to.
@@Maddog-xc2zv he might reach top 10 of the prequel/empire era but top 5 is way too far, Yoda Mace Anakin kenobi plo Ahsoka kit fisto are just too powerful even for cal
@@wkdxcrimex So you know the complete story already? good for you.
i dunno... we weren't there when yoda was like 350 years old when he was still a gremlin stud, so...