I left JWs many years ago because I wanted an education and I got it. I became an RN but lost my family. I have no regrets. I have been able to take wonderful care of myself and prepare for my future. The future that my family never thought was coming. I have been shunned for decades. I was never disfellowshiped but I have led a good descent life. I am still workin but what will they do. Probably hoping for the new system to come to save them.
I also became a RN, I bought my first home in a great neighborhood. I’ve lived a very comfortable life. I remember a sister telling me nurses will not be needed in the new system so why become one. She and her husband were window cleaners and lived in a travel trailer. Recently, I learned they’re living in an assisted living home with no children for support. I’m happy you got out.
Just watch out at they don't start asking you for money at your job or income they can be very hopchiccal even if they shun you don't want to fall for that
I’m a post Mormon that left 16 years ago. I was born into the church, but my parents were converts in the 70s. I am a scientist by profession. The mental load I took on was HUGE as a member. Thank you John for discussing how the Mormon church impoverishes families. I struggled a bit dating Mormon men because they wanted a woman who would have children and stay home with them. I didn’t want a bunch of kids and I still wanted a career. I volunteered for an organization that helped single mothers with job skills in Utah. It was the men in their lives that they were in that predicament to begin with. I would say half were raised Mormon. Meanwhile, I’m sitting in church listening to the bishop and his wife stress that the mother’s work was in the home. At that point, I was PIMO (present in but mentally out of the church). 3 months later I turned in my temple recommend. I couldn’t support the teachings anymore of the Mormon church. I was very scared to remove my garments (I went through the temple as an unmarried woman) at first. I thought I would get into a car accident and become disfigured as punishment for my wickedness. It was magical thinking and I’m appalled that I even thought that way as a scientist. This is how much of a hold the church has on its members. I love it when 2 content creators do a collaboration together and I’ve learned so much listening to this video. Thank you so much for being so brave in telling your story.
Bingo. We were amazed when we talked offline with John about how much we shared in common. It was Like Russell and Smith attended the same seminar on how to DUPE Folks with religion Keep in mind. They did say that RELIGION is Snare and a Racket Lol JT and lady Cee
It is so true about the JWs and the education, that even when you enter to the organization having already a college education they look at you over your shoulder, and talk about you on your back! I suffered that with the sisters, they thought that I always looked at them like they were below me, just because of my comments, when we approached a person in the field service etc! Sad; because I saw they had some complex! I love this video! A lot of things we didn’t know about the Mormon’s. Excellent interview! Thanks!!
I turned down scholarships and left the organization with a HUGE debt and no education. At least I'm now a licensed Life, Health, and Financial Advisor and will be debt-free in five years.
My parents HATE when I compare the JW's to the Mormons! As a former JW, I can't help it... it cracks me up. While there are many differences between the two, after hearing this interview, I see there are also many similarities. JT and Lady C, thanks again for another captivating interview. And yes, please do collaborate with John, you guys had great chemistry.
When you remember the saying "wolves in sheeps clothing" you then understand why the leaders in the organization look just like the mormon or scientology leaders. The similarities should not be surprising because whether it is Witness wolves, Mormon wolves, or Scientology wolves...they ALL be WOLVES! Wolves look and act alike.
The dynamics of these CULTS are unbelievable!! I began to wake up from the JW's by reading about Mormons and watching Mormon videos entitled.."I was a Mormon". Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!! After that I got the courage to go to TH-cam and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up! I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on TH-cam and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left. So all the stigma started to dwindle. Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science. I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down. The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality. After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all your life! It is really tough! The phobias and fears, can mess with a person's mind. Now I see why a lot of people resort to suicide, it is scary but the good thing is there's help!! The internet has played a big part in all of this! Now I look at people as being just human beings trying to do their best in dealing with all the stresses and anxieties in this world. I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯
Right! That said spiritual matters shouldn't business oriented (a money making machine in a way or another - for a Church and somehow the comfort of those who manage churches and congregations), Christians in the beginning were collecting money for the poor, it's Charity (like charity work for free).
@@mormonstories I second that, and that is why the bible itself can't be considered speaking for God (it can be forged by men and the NWT is a very good example of that... Also that is not what the scriptures say by the way it is saying that the Word of God is the Christ (the confusion is BIG) and from John 1:1-4 I understand that it is God's consciousness (but that is not what we learn from religious leaders) to me the light comes from within... but that's just me right?
What a lovely guest, John Dehlin! Fascinating to see all the areas in which the JW and Mormon experience overlap. The obscuring of history, the introduction of new doctrine, keeping the members busy, etc.
I won’t stop declaring that this is my favourite EX-JW channel. I enjoyed the interview. I watched all the Mormon episodes from Mythvision but John still keeps me glued, great speaker.
Love it! love it! love it! Truth and open honest dialogue as this are the keys to removing the shackles from the toxic high controlled religious organizations that exists today. Love John's idea about collaborating with you guys and others in the community! I believe truth will trump the power of these organizations. We gave it to them and now we must take it away!
EXCELLENT podcast! Exmo, here. John, you did not hold back! Thank you! And hearing the interviewers' astonishment, or their comparisons to JWs, was so incredibly eye-opening. I hope you all do more of these combined podcasts. Remarkable content.
@@EfrainRiveraJunior I looked at part last night. Only just finished listening to the rest. Omg what an instructive video! The similarities were mind blowing. Love his closing remarks about merging an annual conference since we have so much in common. As is said, unity strengthens.
My former boss is Mormon. He is one of the most racist, prejudiced person I've ever met. There was a black person in our group who also happened to be gay. Our boss moved things to get my co-worker fired.
The sad part is this is often taught and ends up being passed down from generation to generation Oftentimes tied to some religious belief system. Sad to say When you throw GOD into the mix you know you will be in trouble Jt
Me too! I love John D. Been watching his pod cast he's one of my favorites. Genuine person true love for helping guide others to finding their happiness.
This segment was thoroughly enjoyable, absolutely fascinating. It's eye opening to learn of other cults and their similarities..I loved watchg his enthusiasm. If he returns, I would love to hear about his awakening experience. Also, he mentioned he wouldn't mind coming back and exploring the topic of how and why do intelligent people buy into ridiculous belief systems.. Thank you so much for this fascinating and entertaining discussion
38:21 - Not only did the Watchtower teach that black people would turn white, but they taught the possibility of all women turning into men so that we would all live forever as brothers,
@@karenulvang5375Michael Jackson's case had nothing to do with the JW teaching at the time. Stop inferring things you can't substantiate. The racist teaching of the JW was long before Michael Jackson was even born. I'm almost sure he didn't know anything about that teaching. I'm not exonerating the JW racist teaching, but you need to be objective when criticizing.
@@djiboutidjango3196 Just the fact that racist teachings are erased and hidden from JWs is enough to deem it a cult. Controlling the information, twisting of meanings. Demanding followers not do any of their own research into their own organization..says it all
Another great interview! Always love to get a similar story from a different perspective. As a JW( Paul) was and IS (AND have been a faithful follower of Mormon stories podcast) fascinated by Mormon history. We traveled numerous times to do unassigned territory in Mormon strongholds. We always tried to immerse ourselves into local Mormon history. Paul became very fascinated by the handcart disaster. This history and the way church dealt with it was a huge sound of familiarity to JWs rewriting of history. Thank you for all you do!!
Great content! I was interviewed for a radio show that had different religious guests on who experienced shunning and other cult like behavior, it was very eye opening. I met a Mormon, a Hasidic Jew, and someone from Seventh Day Adventist Church. I think you would be surprised how much the Seventh Day Adventist have in common, as well. Keep doing what you do, you are touching many people with your work!
The Seventhday Adventist church as a whole does not use shunning from family or church family. Sad but some rural churches can be very related and it can make life challenging for some people. Every church can have very liberal and very conservative members.
I am so blessed as i started in a baptist church, and am now in another denomination, i am so thankful i was not totally indoctrinated into the damnable heresy of osas, and i have also not been indoctrinated in my current denomination leaving me absolutely free to study and find my own way in christian doctrine.
Dennis Hogans so now you gonna work for your salvation good luck my brother I will take the free gift. Salvation is by grace through faith in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith alone brother. 1Cor15:1-4, Eph 2:8,9Eph 1:13 (KJV). Brother read your Bible get in the book, those religion and minister preach damnable hereasy.
Great interview. I was a lifelong mormon of 43 years before leaving in 2015. My heritage goes all the way back to Joseph Smith and I'm a product of polygamy on both sides of my family. My moms sister left Mormonism in the 70s to join the Jehovah's witnesses and she raised her 6 children who are still strong in the JW faith. Since my leaving the mormon church they have been working hard to convert me. It's hard to be polite and telling them no.
Coach Dee free Totally awake with feliz and now you Two beautiful people I got watch today ✅😀🥰. Way better than listening 👂 David Splanes borg talk Thx JT & Lady CEE. Wonderful guys
This video was very long . I am going to come back and listen to the rest later on. I learned so much that I didn’t know about the Mormons Great interview!
Here after watching you two interview on Mormon Stories. You were lovely and funny as hell. My heart goes out to JW and ex JW everywhere . I lost very few friends and no family leaving Mormonism, you guys have it so hard . Much love and respect . It’s good to see former members of high control groups banding together to share their experience. See the similarities in the experiences and the differences. Learning from each other.
The underlying common denominator is how all religions dealt with black membership and how political influence increased membership. In fact, you could say that the Civil Rights movement, led by Black Christendom Churches, was the main influence that led to the increase in all these diverse organizations. Black people, by illuminating injustice, are somewhat of a moral compass for all religious sects.
@@stackmosayless-1669 you are very correct. The bible was used during slavery to keep so called Black people docile by aggressively and constantly repeating bible verses about loving and obeying your master . If you read books written before the 1900s... many of them openly admit that Black people particularly of the diaspora are the true descendants of Jacob or the biblical Israrlites. Even the bible stated that the knowledge of who the Israelites are would be erased from men. (Deuteronomy 32:26) The process by which that was done is also biblical and even names the nations who executed the process. (Pslams 83) Those nations exist today under new names. Look into this.... most blkpeople can't fathom this information. There are literal historical records which openly call them the Israelites. Old maps also proves this. It takes some very intricate research.
@@arrellehnisrael8229 In all seriousness my bro I don't know if you have a JW background but fortunately I do and I say fortunately because the large majority were black and people of color who just thought they were doing the right thing. I analyze all religious organizational beliefs they all have bits of truth in them but the Organizational part is when the government gets involved for tax exemption. Jesus said pay all things to Cesar so even the Hebrew Isrealites in my opinion are correct on certain things just like JWs it's the other parts that are incorrect as well. NAACP is a Masonic organization and who knew? KHs use to be segregated and they use to teach we will turn back white in the Paradise. Most Hebrew Isrealite Organizations use the 6 pointed 🔯 as a logo. We all know God's # perfection is represented by the # 7. The Bible says the "first will become last and the last will become first." America is the World's Super Power ran by Anglo Saxons. This is the last and was prophesied about. All colors had world empires the original Isrealites lost their favor due to the worship of false gods. It is not the man's blood it is Christ blood that matters. When our name was changed through the slave trade you can never break down lineage just like in Bible. Whatever generational curses of my families past were also cleared. We had the praying grandmother's working grandfather's and even through the turmoil we still live in a time we can study history and know God's day is close at hand.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker that's why when I make a claim I always advise people to research it on their own. If the research I unbiased then it will lead to truth. Today I can say I am an Israelite and I'm from the tribe of Judah. I keep the commandments of God. And I'm not a member of any man made organization.
This was so interesting. I learned a lot more about the Mormons than I knew before. I always thought they were strange and as an exJw I can see that they are as crazy as the witnesses. Than you JT and LadyC for this information.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker in the early 90’s as a child my grandma took me to the Kingdom Hall in Brooklyn I think on Parkside ave between Bedford ave. I was hooked for years until I started watching videos like yours
This was riveting.... despite its length every moment was enjoyed.... Believe it or not, much of what John said I was familiar with... My partner of 13 years was a mormon for approx 20 years of her life.... I learned most of what John had said from her... but hearing from John corroberates all the conversations that she and i shared over the years we were together... I have since listening here, gone onto Johns site for more of his videos..... Well done all, a fabulous insight into the Mormon church... Top marks all.. Of course what I didnt know ( as my partner and i split some years back) was the rapid decline of Mormonism.... and the reasons why this is so...One never stops learning....However much we think we know, there is so much more that we dont... I will re-listen to this broadcast again it is so good... Thanks again to all for the time it would have taken you to make such an outstanding listen, and to have conveyed information with such enthusiasm and eloquence...
Glad you enjoyed it We tried to figure how long it should be and decided let the audience decide what they want to listen to I learned so much listening to John peel back layer after layer of this religion Jt
Hi Efrain! That was funny 😂🤣 I heard about the Mormons because of The Osmonds!! Glad to see you around! Hope your wife and family are doing fine! (Still waiting for your channel) Hugs from your Puerto Rico! Be safe Down with the a tower!!!
I want to tell you right now. JT and Lady C. You are the best of the best of the ex-JW community! You don't get offended. You always keep the big picture in mind of this evil organization. You don't get sidetracked into some personal squabble that so many ex JW's fall victim too. God Bless You! Keep up your great, great work!!
This was so good I listened to it while doing chores but listened to it again sitting down! The tactics are exactly the same with all these high control groups! This was excellent I hope there are collaborations on a regular basis. Just to let all parties know you are of great help to us worldwide. Greetings from UK
Joseph Smith "sent men away to Europe on business, then married their wives" 😳Sounds like he was a fan of David's method of finding a missus!!! Very enjoyable conversation! I love all this American history! 🤠
1:04:55 wow! My older brother exactly! He smoked, partied, abused drugs and alcohol, and married a non Witness. Then he "came back to the truth" and claimed that it helped him turn his life around. So when I told him it's not the truth and showed him why, he refused to accept it. As for the rest of my family, they can never consider leaving because they have sacrificed so much and are too deeply invested. They are scared to even think about it not being true.
This was brilliant! I've learned so much I had no idea about Mormons. John is such a genuine brilliant sweetheart. PLEASE make an annual convention happen like John suggested.. of ex- JWs, ex- Mormons, ex- Scientologist, ex- Muslims, ex-Orthodox Jews.....ext... There is a better life after religion, and so many of us need support. Thank you for this!
The devil has done his best to make people believe that all Truth is scandalous. Satan does whatever He can to keep people locked into error. Now people are getting wrapped up in Yoga, Marshall Arts, satanic rituals, star wars.
I found it fascinating how John Dehlin keeps talking about Mormons as "we" and "us," while an ex-J-Dub will speak about their former religion as something foreign and would never include himself as part of that group.
Too funny - great point because after years of being in a high control group their terms stay with us for so many years later So many of us will say “the truth” still. Yes decades later my wife and I will be in a conversation and out pops out Watchtower world speak I guess that stuff is so embedded Have you been able to flush out All that WT lingo yet? WE STILL STRUGGLE at times. LOL JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - At first, I kept falling into the same habits. Now, I very rarely use the old lingo. I make a conscious effort to not use _any_ of the J-Dub terms. I don't even refer to the Witnesses as "brothers" or "sisters" anymore. I call them members of the group/organization/cult. I always hated the word "worldly," so that was easy to eliminate. I do use old lingo such as "The Society," though. LOL!
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Something I've seen with myself is the deep psychological and subconsciously engrained effect of sixty years 'under the tower', that I still have dreams of going out in 'service' or attending meetings of various types, giving discourses in various venues...therapy may be necessary.
Would love to see an EX everything/everyone conference. It was an exMormon comment on some video I watched, in fact it might have been on this channel, that helped me wake up. The ex Mormon said 'when they left Mormonism and was searching for the "real" true religion, JW never crossed their mind as maybe the right one.' That hit me hard. Those outside can see it for what it is. That one comment helped me tremendously! We all need to help each other to get out and heal. Thank you!
There are groups far worse than the JW, it just comes down to different levels of cultism, some are worse than others but they all share certain common practices.
Yes the number of high control groups and the number of lives that are impacted is unreal. As JW we were lead to believe we were the CENTER of the universe Now leaving we can see so many folks who are “spiritual abused”” their religion. But the good news is today folks are re-evaluating what we were taught and we don’t like what we are finding and voting with our feet Jt
Jesus christ said people will hate and speaking liars about his only true followers Jehovah's witnesses Mathew 5:10-12,24:9,John 15:18-21,Luke 6:22-23.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Jesus christ said people will hate and speaking liars about his only true followers Jehovah's witnesses Mathew 5:10-12,24:9,John 15:18-21,Luke 6:22-23.
Three of my favorite podcasters all in one place all showing mutual respect for each other. Nice to see John on the other side of the camera. Love the synopsis of the LDS Church, polygamy, and Joseph Smith's life. "Mormonism for Dummies" should be the title of this podcast or "shining light on the LDS church". Revelatory and easy to understand.
This is a fantastic video. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this, all 3 of you! What John says starting at 1:28:00 needs more reach, IMHO. I wholeheartedly agree. Freedom of faith, yes, but abuse of religious power needs to be illegal.
Best interview and best narratives on this channel. Thanks so much an eye opener for every exes of JW and Mormon organisations. The truth will set you free the bible says, we are all free to think for ourselves.
I left JWs many years ago because I wanted an education and I got it. I became an RN but lost my family. I have no regrets. I have been able to take wonderful care of myself and prepare for my future. The future that my family never thought was coming. I have been shunned for decades. I was never disfellowshiped but I have led a good descent life. I am still workin but what will they do. Probably hoping for the new system to come to save them.
Good to hear you moved on
JT
Dealing with same situation. Don’t know what to do its very stressful can’t see my mother cry
Good for you. Still have hope for you and family
I also became a RN, I bought my first home in a great neighborhood. I’ve lived a very comfortable life. I remember a sister telling me nurses will not be needed in the new system so why become one. She and her husband were window cleaners and lived in a travel trailer. Recently, I learned they’re living in an assisted living home with no children for support. I’m happy you got out.
Just watch out at they don't start asking you for money at your job or income they can be very hopchiccal even if they shun you don't want to fall for that
I’m a post Mormon that left 16 years ago. I was born into the church, but my parents were converts in the 70s. I am a scientist by profession. The mental load I took on was HUGE as a member. Thank you John for discussing how the Mormon church impoverishes families. I struggled a bit dating Mormon men because they wanted a woman who would have children and stay home with them. I didn’t want a bunch of kids and I still wanted a career. I volunteered for an organization that helped single mothers with job skills in Utah. It was the men in their lives that they were in that predicament to begin with. I would say half were raised Mormon. Meanwhile, I’m sitting in church listening to the bishop and his wife stress that the mother’s work was in the home. At that point, I was PIMO (present in but mentally out of the church). 3 months later I turned in my temple recommend. I couldn’t support the teachings anymore of the Mormon church. I was very scared to remove my garments (I went through the temple as an unmarried woman) at first. I thought I would get into a car accident and become disfigured as punishment for my wickedness. It was magical thinking and I’m appalled that I even thought that way as a scientist. This is how much of a hold the church has on its members. I love it when 2 content creators do a collaboration together and I’ve learned so much listening to this video. Thank you so much for being so brave in telling your story.
Thanks for sharing so much of your personal experience
We are sure it will help so many others
Thanks
JT and Lady Cee
I have been subscribed to his channel since researching ex JW's. The similarities are outstanding. High control cults all have the same blueprint.
Bingo. We were amazed when we talked offline with John about how much we shared in common.
It was Like Russell and Smith attended the same seminar on how to DUPE Folks with religion
Keep in mind. They did say that RELIGION is Snare and a Racket
Lol
JT and lady Cee
@@ExJWCriticalThinker the book "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer is helpful.
Because they all came from the same Masonic Halls
It is so true about the JWs and the education, that even when you enter to the organization having already a college education they look at you over your shoulder, and talk about you on your back! I suffered that with the sisters, they thought that I always looked at them like they were below me, just because of my comments, when we approached a person in the field service etc! Sad; because I saw they had some complex! I love this video! A lot of things we didn’t know about the Mormon’s. Excellent interview! Thanks!!
I turned down scholarships and left the organization with a HUGE debt and no education. At least I'm now a licensed Life, Health, and Financial Advisor and will be debt-free in five years.
My parents HATE when I compare the JW's to the Mormons! As a former JW, I can't help it... it cracks me up. While there are many differences between the two, after hearing this interview, I see there are also many similarities. JT and Lady C, thanks again for another captivating interview. And yes, please do collaborate with John, you guys had great chemistry.
I'm am ex jw and I listen to Mormon Stories all the time. I love his content. Thanks for having him on your podcast.
Glad you enjoyed it
When you remember the saying "wolves in sheeps clothing" you then understand why the leaders in the organization look just like the mormon or scientology leaders. The similarities should not be surprising because whether it is Witness wolves, Mormon wolves, or Scientology wolves...they ALL be WOLVES! Wolves look and act alike.
Because , They ALL . . have the 👉 SAME Spiritual FATHER !!
( Guess Who ! 😒 ) 👹👺😈 👀 🤦
Good observation.
Bingo
@@akatheheretic3014 Hmmm Lucifer! The Prince of Darkness... Yep Satan!
@@akatheheretic3014 Satan the Father of All LIARS and False Teachers (JW Watchtower And All Disgusting Denominations)
The penalty for having 30 wives... is 30 mothers in laws. !!!
lol..lol......now that you say it......yeah, no wonder they're fruit cakes.......imagine having all those M.I.L's on your back all the time.... ;-)
LOL! (Unless you marry sister, but oh my, if they presented it like that people would rethink it for sure!)
Lol. Funniest comment of the month.
The dynamics of these CULTS are unbelievable!!
I began to wake up from the JW's by reading about Mormons and watching Mormon videos entitled.."I was a Mormon".
Then John Dehlin's excommunication was broadcast on television. I started following him and I noticed a ton of similarities between the JW's and the Mormons. This was an eye-opener for me!!
After that I got the courage to go to TH-cam and look up.. "Why do people leave the Jehovah's Witnesses faith"...that's when I really started waking up!
I became obsessed listening to all ExJW stories on TH-cam and the FEAR of the "so called" apostates that we are taught to detest started to become a different reality, they are just people telling their experiences when they were an active JW and why they left.
So all the stigma started to dwindle.
Then I branched out and started looking into Seventh Day Adventist, Scientology, Christadelphians, The Brethren, Christian Science.
I started noticing the parallels between all the religions, and it runs deep...no questioning, no doubting and everything comes from the top down.
The rank-and-file are just the followers with no personal self, no individuality.
After you wake up and start seeing these things it can take a toll on you, especially if this is the only thing you have known all your life!
It is really tough!
The phobias and fears, can mess with a person's mind.
Now I see why a lot of people resort to suicide, it is scary but the good thing is there's help!!
The internet has played a big part in all of this!
Now I look at people as being just human beings trying to do their best in dealing with all the stresses and anxieties in this world.
I can now honestly say that life is better on the outside! 💯
Thanks for your comments
There are so many sincere folks who have been impacted by these high control groups
JT
Found your comment profound. Thank you. Um...Christadelphians? Or did you make that up 😮
I find JT, Lady Cee and John so inspiring. When something is true it just feels right
Glad you enjoyed the program
JT
Something is either true or it isn't. Truth isn't dependent of feelings.
I don't believe that religion should be illegal. However, I do believe that all religions should be taxed like any business in the USA.
Right! That said spiritual matters shouldn't business oriented (a money making machine in a way or another - for a Church and somehow the comfort of those who manage churches and congregations), Christians in the beginning were collecting money for the poor, it's Charity (like charity work for free).
I only believe that claiming to speak directly for God should be illegal.
@@mormonstories I second that, and that is why the bible itself can't be considered speaking for God (it can be forged by men and the NWT is a very good example of that... Also that is not what the scriptures say by the way it is saying that the Word of God is the Christ (the confusion is BIG) and from John 1:1-4 I understand that it is God's consciousness (but that is not what we learn from religious leaders) to me the light comes from within... but that's just me right?
I think there’s a VERY thin line, and it’s often crossed, sadly. But religion isn’t supposed to be a business, and handled appropriately, it’s not.
That is the deception of the devil. Thank you guys.
I love Mormons & JWs. 2 of my favorite cults.
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I wake up out of my sleep when I get a notification from lady Cee and JT love them!!!!!
Mormon and Jehovah's Witness have a lot in common
...especially their origins in Upstate New York.
What a lovely guest, John Dehlin! Fascinating to see all the areas in which the JW and Mormon experience overlap. The obscuring of history, the introduction of new doctrine, keeping the members busy, etc.
Awesome. You 3 have an amazing synergy. Thanks for inviting John Dehlin onto the channel👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it
JT and lady Cee
I won’t stop declaring that this is my favourite EX-JW channel. I enjoyed the interview. I watched all the Mormon episodes from Mythvision but John still keeps me glued, great speaker.
Awww. Yay!!!
The series on Mythvision was RIVETING!! I think I'm going to watch it again and buy Bryce Blankenagel's book.
He breaks it down very well
JT
Love it! love it! love it!
Truth and open honest dialogue as this are the keys to removing the shackles from the toxic high controlled religious organizations that exists today.
Love John's idea about collaborating with you guys and others in the community!
I believe truth will trump the power of these organizations. We gave it to them and now we must take it away!
The history of Mormonism by John is much more colorful than told in my history book, thank you. His heart is allways tender.
EXCELLENT podcast! Exmo, here. John, you did not hold back! Thank you! And hearing the interviewers' astonishment, or their comparisons to JWs, was so incredibly eye-opening. I hope you all do more of these combined podcasts. Remarkable content.
Nice seeing Dr. Dehlin on your show! I watched both of your appearances on his show and even subscribed to it. Looking forward to this!
Thanks for your support and comments
JT and Lady Cee
JT and Lady Cee are rare so regardless of the time they air, you tune in.
Just trying to keep it real.
Thanks for posting
Jt
Since I'm tuning in at 4:30 am, I wholeheartedly agree! 😁
Lol, that is another level of confidence. They know we're gonna tune in 🤣
I went to bed late watching this video.
@@EfrainRiveraJunior I looked at part last night. Only just finished listening to the rest. Omg what an instructive video! The similarities were mind blowing. Love his closing remarks about merging an annual conference since we have so much in common. As is said, unity strengthens.
My former boss is Mormon. He is one of the most racist, prejudiced person I've ever met. There was a black person in our group who also happened to be gay. Our boss moved things to get my co-worker fired.
The sad part is this is often taught and ends up being passed down from generation to generation
Oftentimes tied to some religious belief system. Sad to say
When you throw GOD into the mix you know you will be in trouble
Jt
This was an absolute spellbinding discussion. Very informative!👍🏽
We are glad you enjoyed it
JT
I've never clicked on a TH-cam video so fast.
Same here.
Me too! I love John D. Been watching his pod cast he's one of my favorites. Genuine person true love for helping guide others to finding their happiness.
This segment was thoroughly enjoyable, absolutely fascinating. It's eye opening to learn of other cults and their similarities..I loved watchg his enthusiasm. If he returns, I would love to hear about his awakening experience. Also, he mentioned he wouldn't mind coming back and exploring the topic of how and why do intelligent people buy into ridiculous belief systems.. Thank you so much for this fascinating and entertaining discussion
We are glad you enjoyed it
JT
38:21 - Not only did the Watchtower teach that black people would turn white, but they taught the possibility of all women turning into men so that we would all live forever as brothers,
Hang on.....wait,,,,what?.........all men?
Michael Jackson tried to become white as someone raised as a JW. We'll never know his level of brainwashing
@@karenulvang5375Michael Jackson's case had nothing to do with the JW teaching at the time. Stop inferring things you can't substantiate. The racist teaching of the JW was long before Michael Jackson was even born. I'm almost sure he didn't know anything about that teaching.
I'm not exonerating the JW racist teaching, but you need to be objective when criticizing.
@@djiboutidjango3196 Just the fact that racist teachings are erased and hidden from JWs is enough to deem it a cult. Controlling the information, twisting of meanings. Demanding followers not do any of their own research into their own organization..says it all
Damn it
Absolutely outstanding program! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Thanks
JT
John Dehlin suggestion cooperation of ex-JW and ex-Mormons👍👍👍
John Dehlin is a super guy👍👍👍
VERY GOOD VIDEO👍👍👍
Another great interview! Always love to get a similar story from a different perspective. As a JW( Paul) was and IS (AND have been a faithful follower of Mormon stories podcast) fascinated by Mormon history. We traveled numerous times to do unassigned territory in Mormon strongholds. We always tried to immerse ourselves into local Mormon history. Paul became very fascinated by the handcart disaster. This history and the way church dealt with it was a huge sound of familiarity to JWs rewriting of history. Thank you for all you do!!
So much alike is what caught our attention and we told John we wanted him to share it with us
JT
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This has been a truly fascinating conversation - thank you.
Thanks
For your support
JT
Great content! I was interviewed for a radio show that had different religious guests on who experienced shunning and other cult like behavior, it was very eye opening. I met a Mormon, a Hasidic Jew, and someone from Seventh Day Adventist Church. I think you would be surprised how much the Seventh Day Adventist have in common, as well.
Keep doing what you do, you are touching many people with your work!
Hey thanks! Yes, we always say that the 7th Day Adventist and JWs are first cousins.
The SDA is another group that cane out if the Millerites. The Jehovah Witnesses, I guess the Mormons, and the SDA. It is fascinating.
The Seventhday Adventist church as a whole does not use shunning from family or church family. Sad but some rural churches can be very related and it can make life challenging for some people. Every church can have very liberal and very conservative members.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker The Seventhday Adventist have very little in comman with JW.
I love it when youtubers I follow do collaborations
I am so blessed as i started in a baptist church, and am now in another denomination, i am so thankful i was not totally indoctrinated into the damnable heresy of osas, and i have also not been indoctrinated in my current denomination leaving me absolutely free to study and find my own way in christian doctrine.
Thanks for taking the time to allow us to share with you our experience .
Jt
Dennis Hogans so now you gonna work for your salvation good luck my brother I will take the free gift. Salvation is by grace through faith in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith alone brother. 1Cor15:1-4, Eph 2:8,9Eph 1:13 (KJV). Brother read your Bible get in the book, those religion and minister preach damnable hereasy.
Excellent conversation! You all are such a blessing.
Glad you enjoyed
JT and lady Cee
Great interview. I was a lifelong mormon of 43 years before leaving in 2015. My heritage goes all the way back to Joseph Smith and I'm a product of polygamy on both sides of my family. My moms sister left Mormonism in the 70s to join the Jehovah's witnesses and she raised her 6 children who are still strong in the JW faith. Since my leaving the mormon church they have been working hard to convert me. It's hard to be polite and telling them no.
Interrresting. From Mormonism to JW.
Coach Dee free Totally awake with feliz and now you Two beautiful people I got watch today ✅😀🥰. Way better than listening 👂 David Splanes borg talk
Thx JT & Lady CEE. Wonderful guys
I love me some Dee Free! Now I'm going to have to check out Totally Awake. 😘
Edit to update: I already listen to Felice! Love her, too!
This video was very long . I am going to come back and listen to the rest later on. I learned so much that I didn’t know about the Mormons
Great interview!
Here after watching you two interview on Mormon Stories. You were lovely and funny as hell. My heart goes out to JW and ex JW everywhere . I lost very few friends and no family leaving Mormonism, you guys have it so hard . Much love and respect . It’s good to see former members of high control groups banding together to share their experience. See the similarities in the experiences and the differences. Learning from each other.
The underlying common denominator is how all religions dealt with black membership and how political influence increased membership. In fact, you could say that the Civil Rights movement, led by Black Christendom Churches, was the main influence that led to the increase in all these diverse organizations.
Black people, by illuminating injustice, are somewhat of a moral compass for all religious sects.
It's weird but I've been saying this for at least 15 years it's like the Masonic organizations was put in place to keep people of color in place.
@@stackmosayless-1669 you are very correct. The bible was used during slavery to keep so called Black people docile by aggressively and constantly repeating bible verses about loving and obeying your master .
If you read books written before the 1900s... many of them openly admit that Black people particularly of the diaspora are the true descendants of Jacob or the biblical Israrlites.
Even the bible stated that the knowledge of who the Israelites are would be erased from men.
(Deuteronomy 32:26)
The process by which that was done is also biblical and even names the nations who executed the process. (Pslams 83)
Those nations exist today under new names.
Look into this.... most blkpeople can't fathom this information. There are literal historical records which openly call them the Israelites.
Old maps also proves this. It takes some very intricate research.
@@arrellehnisrael8229 In all seriousness my bro I don't know if you have a JW background but fortunately I do and I say fortunately because the large majority were black and people of color who just thought they were doing the right thing. I analyze all religious organizational beliefs they all have bits of truth in them but the Organizational part is when the government gets involved for tax exemption. Jesus said pay all things to Cesar so even the Hebrew Isrealites in my opinion are correct on certain things just like JWs it's the other parts that are incorrect as well. NAACP is a Masonic organization and who knew? KHs use to be segregated and they use to teach we will turn back white in the Paradise. Most Hebrew Isrealite Organizations use the 6 pointed 🔯 as a logo. We all know God's # perfection is represented by the # 7. The Bible says the "first will become last and the last will become first." America is the World's Super Power ran by Anglo Saxons. This is the last and was prophesied about. All colors had world empires the original Isrealites lost their favor due to the worship of false gods. It is not the man's blood it is Christ blood that matters. When our name was changed through the slave trade you can never break down lineage just like in Bible. Whatever generational curses of my families past were also cleared. We had the praying grandmother's working grandfather's and even through the turmoil we still live in a time we can study history and know God's day is close at hand.
When a persons tells you God Told them something to tell you and you better not question his claim
You know you are in trouble
That is a serious flag
@@ExJWCriticalThinker that's why when I make a claim I always advise people to research it on their own.
If the research I unbiased then it will lead to truth.
Today I can say I am an Israelite and I'm from the tribe of Judah. I keep the commandments of God. And I'm not a member of any man made organization.
This was so interesting. I learned a lot more about the Mormons than I knew before. I always thought they were strange and as an exJw I can see that they are as crazy as the witnesses. Than you JT and LadyC for this information.
We felt the same away
So much to learn when it comes to high control groups
JT
I want for people to hear my voice. Thank you Lady Cee and JT
Thanks
What a great show !
Glad you enjoyed it
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker in the early 90’s as a child my grandma took me to the Kingdom Hall in Brooklyn I think on Parkside ave between Bedford ave. I was hooked for years until I started watching videos like yours
Great interview 🙏 so much information
48:38 - To all Jehovah's Witnesses, if you are going to listen to only one part of this video, listen to this.
I can see John's wheels spinning, he has a vision on making this a movement and making it BIG. Go for it guys, MAKE IT SO!
This was a top-class interwiev
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for your support
JT and Lady Cee
This was riveting.... despite its length every moment was enjoyed.... Believe it or not, much of what John said I was familiar with... My partner of 13 years was a mormon for approx 20 years of her life.... I learned most of what John had said from her... but hearing from John corroberates all the conversations that she and i shared over the years we were together... I have since listening here, gone onto Johns site for more of his videos..... Well done all, a fabulous insight into the Mormon church... Top marks all.. Of course what I didnt know ( as my partner and i split some years back) was the rapid decline of Mormonism.... and the reasons why this is so...One never stops learning....However much we think we know, there is so much more that we dont... I will re-listen to this broadcast again it is so good... Thanks again to all for the time it would have taken you to make such an outstanding listen, and to have conveyed information with such enthusiasm and eloquence...
Glad you enjoyed it
We tried to figure how long it should be and decided let the audience decide what they want to listen to
I learned so much listening to John peel back layer after layer of this religion
Jt
SIMPLY BRILLANT!!.........ANOTHER GOOD VIDEO !!MANY THANKS LADY C AND JT!
Thanks for your support
JT
Everything I know about Mormons I learned from South Park.
Priceless
Lol
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Hi Efrain! That was funny 😂🤣
I heard about the Mormons because of The Osmonds!!
Glad to see you around! Hope your wife and family are doing fine!
(Still waiting for your channel)
Hugs from your Puerto Rico!
Be safe
Down with the a tower!!!
@@migdaliafuentes1618 - Down with the Tower!
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I want to tell you right now. JT and Lady C. You are the best of the best of the ex-JW community! You don't get offended. You always keep the big picture in mind of this evil organization. You don't get sidetracked into some personal squabble that so many ex JW's fall victim too. God Bless You! Keep up your great, great work!!
This was so good I listened to it while doing chores but listened to it again sitting down!
The tactics are exactly the same with all these high control groups!
This was excellent I hope there are collaborations on a regular basis. Just to let all parties know you are of great help to us worldwide. Greetings from UK
This interview was pure gold.
Yay!!!
@@mormonstories - Thanks for sharing. It was very educational.
Joseph Smith "sent men away to Europe on business, then married their wives" 😳Sounds like he was a fan of David's method of finding a missus!!! Very enjoyable conversation! I love all this American history! 🤠
Good point
JT
This was great guys. I shared the video to my siblings.
Love these videos, cant get enough
I was always wary of a university being called
Bring em young
Great point
JT
Great Job 👍 Critical Thinkers
1:04:55 wow! My older brother exactly! He smoked, partied, abused drugs and alcohol, and married a non Witness. Then he "came back to the truth" and claimed that it helped him turn his life around. So when I told him it's not the truth and showed him why, he refused to accept it. As for the rest of my family, they can never consider leaving because they have sacrificed so much and are too deeply invested. They are scared to even think about it not being true.
God is not a God of fear.
This was fantastic. Such a great energy the guy has, and the feeling of mutual respect and warmth between you all is inspiring
WOW!! This was a great video guys. I would say it made my top 3 favorite videos. Keep them coming.
Thanks for your support
I Googled 'Joseph Smith's Death' an hour before Lady C dropped the question, LOL!
Excellent! Thank you.
Glad you found it informative
This was brilliant! I've learned so much I had no idea about Mormons. John is such a genuine brilliant sweetheart.
PLEASE make an annual convention happen like John suggested.. of ex- JWs, ex- Mormons, ex- Scientologist, ex- Muslims, ex-Orthodox Jews.....ext... There is a better life after religion, and so many of us need support.
Thank you for this!
The devil has done his best to make people believe that all Truth is scandalous. Satan does whatever He can to keep people locked into error. Now people are getting wrapped up in Yoga, Marshall Arts, satanic rituals, star wars.
1:19:13 - The Hamster Wheel seems to be a common thing among cults.
I found it fascinating how John Dehlin keeps talking about Mormons as "we" and "us," while an ex-J-Dub will speak about their former religion as something foreign and would never include himself as part of that group.
Too funny - great point because after years of being in a high control group their terms stay with us for so many years later
So many of us will say “the truth” still. Yes decades later my wife and I will be in a conversation and out pops out Watchtower world speak
I guess that stuff is so embedded
Have you been able to flush out All that WT lingo yet? WE STILL STRUGGLE at times. LOL
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker - At first, I kept falling into the same habits. Now, I very rarely use the old lingo.
I make a conscious effort to not use _any_ of the J-Dub terms. I don't even refer to the Witnesses as "brothers" or "sisters" anymore. I call them members of the group/organization/cult. I always hated the word "worldly," so that was easy to eliminate.
I do use old lingo such as "The Society," though. LOL!
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Ain't That "the Truth" . . . Oh , there it goes again ! 🤣
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Something I've seen with myself is the deep psychological and subconsciously engrained effect of sixty years 'under the tower', that I still have dreams of going out in 'service' or attending meetings of various types, giving discourses in various venues...therapy may be necessary.
I still consider myself to be culturally Mormon, much like a secular Jew thinks of himself as still Jewish even if non-practicing.
Thanks!
Cults should be illegal
Would love to see an EX everything/everyone conference. It was an exMormon comment on some video I watched, in fact it might have been on this channel, that helped me wake up. The ex Mormon said 'when they left Mormonism and was searching for the "real" true religion, JW never crossed their mind as maybe the right one.' That hit me hard. Those outside can see it for what it is. That one comment helped me tremendously! We all need to help each other to get out and heal. Thank you!
Yes so many folks see thru the watchtower foolishness when they start to look at jw
Point well made
JT
There are groups far worse than the JW, it just comes down to different levels of cultism, some are worse than others but they all share certain common practices.
Yes the number of high control groups and the number of lives that are impacted is unreal.
As JW we were lead to believe we were the CENTER of the universe
Now leaving we can see so many folks who are “spiritual abused”” their religion.
But the good news is today folks are re-evaluating what we were taught and we don’t like what we are finding
and voting with our feet
Jt
Jesus christ said people will hate and speaking liars about his only true followers Jehovah's witnesses Mathew 5:10-12,24:9,John 15:18-21,Luke 6:22-23.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Jesus christ said people will hate and speaking liars about his only true followers Jehovah's witnesses Mathew 5:10-12,24:9,John 15:18-21,Luke 6:22-23.
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Brilliant interview and how much alike different religions are out to Rob you and give nothing in return
Three of my favorite podcasters all in one place all showing mutual respect for each other. Nice to see John on the other side of the camera. Love the synopsis of the LDS Church, polygamy, and Joseph Smith's life. "Mormonism for Dummies" should be the title of this podcast or "shining light on the LDS church". Revelatory and easy to understand.
My favorite cult-crushers together, awesome!
Thanks for the support
JT and Ladycee are the Dynamic Duo
👀👀👀 Thank you ALL for the education 💯💯🔥
He dropped some gems for all of us
JT
Loved the conclusion. Collaboration!! Yes, Watchtower does not hold the monopoly on “UNITY” ♥️💜. Thank you Lady Cee, JT & John 😌
We have to help each other
Jw
Excellent interview great job
This is a fantastic video. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this, all 3 of you!
What John says starting at 1:28:00 needs more reach, IMHO. I wholeheartedly agree. Freedom of faith, yes, but abuse of religious power needs to be illegal.
If a guy 'marries' 30 wives, does that mean there's 29 men without wives forever?
Younger men Get cut short for sure
Lol
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker bse
Brilliant explanation! I loved it! Thanks Lady Cee and JT for providing this amazing information. 👏
Glad you enjoyed it
JT
Amazing and enlightening information!
This was an awesome episode!!! Love ❤️ to my ExJW brothers and Sisters from an ExMo!! 👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
Masterpiece interview! Great job Team!
Wonderful content! Loved this show!!!!!
Thanks
@ExJw Critical Thinker: I am so in love with your personalities.
I learned so much from this segment. The work you all do is incredibly important.
We learned so much as well
JT
John Dehlin might be the best guest I have seen. Lady Cee and JT, thank you for doing what you have done for so many exjw's like me. This was amazing.
Please do an SDA segment
Best interview and best narratives on this channel. Thanks so much an eye opener for every exes of JW and Mormon organisations. The truth will set you free the bible says, we are all free to think for ourselves.
Superb and interesting interview. Thank you. Ex JW
Great story. I identified with much here. I too am married to an active JW and we have a great relationship not based on religious doctrine.
Great interview, thank you. The internet is destroying organized religions and cults.
Thanks for listening
Loving this interview I still believe in Jesus
Mormon polygamy sounds like a terrible deal for everyone involved. Particularly the women.
Just the women ..I wonder why the church didn't allow the women to marry more that one man
Men must love it
JT
Very good interview...this man has a wealth of knowledge...once again very well done 👏
This was beautiful to listen to. so inspiring
46:05 - Wait, What?! No alcohol? Dude, it's never too late.
Again, well done.
This is such an incredibly interesting interview
What a masterful session. The guest is amazing. I will have to rewatch.