> Flies a SEAD plane against an infrared Strela bus > Doesn't work > Malding > Plays East German tank division centered around spamming mid-tier tanks > Complains USSR is trash > Malding > Cluster bombs light infantry positions > Wonders why it doesn't work > Malding > Spams T--55As against Leopard 2A3s > Loses > Malding
@@sfctw1 six months later, you can ask the irl russian troops about the effects of cluster munitions on infantry. Though not a lot of direct witnesses would be able to tell you anything.
@@tommygunmitvierm724 SEAD missiles track the radiation emitted by a radar when it is actively emitting it. If the radar is off it has nothing to track begin with, and with the Strela its an infrared missile with a passive (aka not emitting any trackable radiation) seeker. It just tracks the thing in the sky emitting the most heat (itself a form of radiation). This is either a planes exhaust or the sun or flares.
Ya AA in this game is very bipolar. sometimes it shoots shit down very quickly other times it wont fire at a helicopter near by with clear line of site. Also some Counter-Battery artillery might have helped out swimmy against those MLRS a little.
Every single update they tweak AA stats trying to balance it but they make it even worse and I'm not kidding. When Last big update dropped AA was literal hell to use
@@dudududu1926 definitely. I re downloaded steel division 2 then wanted something more modern so I gave warno another shot last week and it was amazing on the same lvl as steel division just without campaign mode but it’s coming soon I think
I remember playing Red Dragon a few years ago and it was so crazy fast, the AI would just spam units non stop and there was no in between of shit tier to god tier ai. Playing against friends was a least a little fun but I got stomped on anyway lmao
I loved the pace personally, it was refreshing that there finally was a game where you couldn't cheese _everything_ by being _proactive_ everytime but the AI actually dictates many things/fairly often
My only guess for the soviet missiles just kinda dipping is that they need constant radar signature to work and the jammers and other counter measures on nato just kinda fuck on those missiles.
You mean god bless the ability to copy russian equipment cuz thats what most NATO missiles at warno's setting were effectively since you know their missiles didn't tend to lock onto clouds and shit and i forget how many millions in todays money the CIA paid to yugoslavia for examples of those missiles.
@@greekguy5647 makes sense, the russians really focused hard on the ground war stuff. nato took a more all rounder approach and made great air vehicles.
Man, I remember that episode in the Bokoen Cinematic Universe when I was in the cinemas, when Braun uttered his catchprase after winning with Bo against swigma- "Bokoen1 : Swimmy 0". It was definitely one of the moments of all Time
@@Aqueox Broken Arrow reminds me a lot more of World in Conflict with some bits of Red Dragon and mixed together. Looks great, hope it turns out great.
TL;DR: Not to say that this is good for game balance, but that's how it worked in the real world. Both Soviet AND NATO missiles during the mid and even late cold war would often struggle to hit their targets as pilots had a variety of maneuvers and systems at their disposal to counter them. But when they did, a missile hit was nearly universally fatal. To start, a missile has two outcomes once fired: it will either miss or completely destroy/critically damage a plane (severely damage engines, airfoil, etc, leading to a crash). It wasn't until the 90's (T80s, MiG 31s using the R-73M or R-74, Abrams M1A2s, F/A-18s using the AIM-9M+, etc) where we got missiles that could consistently hit their targets in all-aspect firing, until then it was basically a 50/50 depending on the missile whether you'd get a miss or a kill. Notching, which was a commonly taught tactic even in the early 70s, was a method to effectively dodge the then cutting-edge Pulse-Doppler radar guided missiles due to the way their imaging system worked. Chaff would disguise planes from earlier radiation-based radar and their missiles as well. Flares were highly effective against all Infrared based radars and missiles up until the R-73 and AIM-9L and later. And in the modern day, we have Electronic, Radiation, and TV Countermeasures and Jammers to further distract missiles. Jets from the 70s and onwards also tended to have Laser-warning systems that could detect if their plane was targeted with ground-based laser-guided SAMs and ATGMs, and while not having a way to effectively 'distract' the system with countermeasures, they could often simply dodge the missile via extreme maneuvers as these systems tended to only be guided by humans 'painting' the target with a laser designator, at least during the cold war. Additionally, field/mobile radar systems often performed well below the level of their equivalent permanent radar encampments and would often have issues with ground clutter and sustained use in a combat environment. All-in-all, as long as the pilot is aware of their surroundings and has the systems available in then-modern jets to counter then-modern missiles, it was extremely hard to take them down with one. The fighting doctrine throughout the cold war was to use your missiles to make an enemy pilot bleed their speed by making them take evasive maneuvers, then finishing off the low-speed pilot with a gun kill. Otherwise, a good pilot could often dodge up to three missiles in a row before being forced to disengage or making a fatal mistake. There's a reason even the modern F-35 still has an internal gun, when the ANCIENT F-4 phantom was originally designed without one, in favor of being able to hold over a dozen missiles. Now, when a MiG-23 (1967) or Su-22 (1975) (as shown in game) goes up against an AA configured F-15E (1989), there's absolutely no way that jet is going to be able to dodge a missile from it, as it was never designed to fight something that far ahead of its time. Honestly, I'm not sure why the game is pitching late-60's and early 70's soviet aircraft and tanks up against late 80's NATO tech, but it's definitely the reason why this video gives off a sense of 'NATO technological superiority'. The USSR definitely was playing catch-up in technology during most of the Cold War, but their doctrine of cost-effective ATGM/APFSDS platforms (T-55/64) was extremely hard to combat with the American doctrine of '...accept nothing but the best'. When an $800,000 (T-64) [Quoted at being 40% of the price of a T-72, which costs ~$2,000,000] tank is able to shoot a round capable of penetrating and likely destroying a $4,400,000 (Abrams 1A2) tank, you can see why the Russians often didn't care that they didn't have the leading technological edge, especially considering they had over twice the amount of nuclear warheads as the Americans in 1985, and nearly quadruple in 1990.
Oh hey, my company just shipped a operation, maintenance, and repair training program for HIMARS at the start of February. Clearly the NATO-bros in Bo's game have benefitted from all the new training material.
To be fair I think there is actually a problem with AA in warno. Both Soviet and NATO AA tend to one shot or hit nothing. I played 6 games 3 as Soviet’s and 3 as nato and AA ate rocks on both sides, missing all shots, which is surprising because even the best AA is bad ( Roland on nato side and BUK on Soviet ) guess it’s like steel division 2, but reversed 😂.Maybe the issue is that accuracy gets severely penalised by agility stat of planes, but I am not sure. Till this moment I would say that red dragon is still better, more units on both sides and less problems. Also I think radars aren’t working as they are supposed to in warno, unless they are using different system than in red dragon.
In warno its all about short range missile spam/guns for kills. the long range shit just doesnt perform well other than suppressing the target unless you spam them out. most payloads that can be used are in range of infrared/guns and the ones that dont can be countered through positioning
@@jgrantrichardson3748 So the game basically wants you to build a real air defense grid, with forward infrared/short range missiles and long range missiles behind the lines. This seems like an interesting solution, but I doubt it's worth it. To preform an air defense grid you need a lot of points, and planes, at least in vanilla, are mediocre (the performance of bombs is quite poor, and missiles can't destroy many targets).In the end it looks like you can just ignore AA and counter enemy Air with yours and just spam cheapest AA you can.
TL;DR: Not to say that this is good for game balance, but that's how it tends to work in the real world. Missiles during the mid and even late cold war would often struggle to hit their targets as pilots had a variety of maneuvers and systems at their disposal to counter them. But when they did, a missile hit was nearly universally fatal. You either miss or completely destroy/critically damage a plane (severely damage engines, airfoil, etc, leading to a crash). It wasn't until the 90's (T80s, MiG 31s using the R-73M or R-74, Abrams M1A2s, F/A-18s using the AIM-9M+, etc) where we got missiles that could consistently hit their targets in all-aspect firing, until then it was basically a 50/50 depending on the missile whether you'd get a miss or a kill. Notching, which was a commonly taught tactic even in the early 70s, was a method to effectively dodge the then cutting-edge Pulse-Doppler radar guided missiles due to the way their imaging system worked. Chaff would disguise planes from earlier radiation-based radar and their missiles as well. Flares were highly effective against all Infrared based radars and missiles up until the R-73 and AIM-9L and later. And in the modern day, we have Electronic, Radiation, and TV Countermeasures and Jammers to further distract missiles. Jets from the 70s and onwards also tended to have Laser-warning systems that could detect if their plane was targeted with ground-based laser-guided SAMs and ATGMs, and while not having a way to effectively 'distract' the system with countermeasures, they could often simply dodge the missile via extreme maneuvers as these systems tended to only be guided by humans 'painting' the target with a laser designator, at least during the cold war. Additionally, field/mobile radar systems often performed well below the level of their equivalent permanent radar encampments and would often have issues with ground clutter and sustained use in a combat environment. All-in-all, as long as the pilot is aware of their surroundings and has the systems available in then-modern jets to counter then-modern missiles, it was extremely hard to take them down with one. The fighting doctrine throughout the cold war was to use your missiles to make an enemy pilot bleed their speed by making them take evasive maneuvers, then finishing off the low-speed pilot with a gun kill. Otherwise, a good pilot could often dodge up to three missiles in a row before being forced to disengage or making a fatal mistake. There's a reason even the modern F-35 still has an internal gun, when the ANCIENT F-4 phantom was originally designed without one, in favor of being able to hold over a dozen missiles. Now, when a MiG-23 (1967) or Su-22 (1975) (as shown in game) goes up against an AA configured F-15E (1989), there's absolutely no way that jet is going to be able to dodge a missile from it, as it was never designed to fight something that far ahead of its time. Honestly, I'm not sure why the game is pitching late-60's and early 70's soviet aircraft and tanks up against late 80's NATO tech, but it's definitely the reason why this video gives off a sense of 'NATO technological superiority'.
Artillery capability in general has atrophied over the last 20+ years and only recently has the US Army begun to reinvest in it heavily with projects like the M1299 and PrSM
Yeah, insurgents don't make for as good of an artillery target, we typically are NOT trying to level whatever village they are at. For the Russians, leveling a town is just as much an objective
Honestly the t55 are pretty good if you support them with other units I usually use them as bait while attacking with mech inf so they either have to shoot the inf or the tank. Plus they come with smoke so if you are watching them they can survive at least one atgm
I gotta say after playing the game on launch and immediately refunding it then having just rebought it recently, It's pretty good nowadays and Rimmy really was doomerpilled as hell when first looking at the game. Eugen has shown that they care about the title despite its rushed release in my personal opinion.
Remember when in Wargame, Russian Equipment was actually dangerous and ever since they put the realistic values in they cant hit for shit, realism at its finest
What realistic values lol? Can you like back up a single nerfed value? If those values are realistic, how did NATO get trashes by Soviet gear in the cold war?
@@dwarow2508 Do tell, when did NATO get thrashed by Soviet equipment in a stand up fight? Because last I checked, while Norfolk and 73 Eastings were pretty one sided it wasn't in favour of the soviet equipment.
@@עודד-כ7ל *cough* 1 : 89 K/D ratio of Soviet planes against NATO planes over Vietnam *cough* M4s getting massacred in Korea by T34s *cough* Indian T55s slaughtering M48s *cough* Literally every African proxy where Soviet and NATO gear was used *cough* MiGs dominating the skies over Korea *cough*
Bo why do you keep releasing vids at like 1 AM or midnight? You are in Denmark so you litterlay have the same timezone as me so I will ask again..... why the hell do you post vids at like midnight or 1 am
@@pleaseignore3055Oh, and most of the prisoners they recruit are drug addicts. Yeah. That’s bad. Also wagner is no longer recruiting prisoners, you want to know why? Because THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT IS MAKING A PENAL LEGION IN 2023!
The funniest part is that they are using MARS (Medium Artillery Rocket System) that is a German system, and calling it the HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System), that wasn't developed by the games timespan of the cold war and isn't in the game.
Bo, who gave you permission to upload actual combat footage of the ongoing war?!?! Haven't the Russian Armed Conscripts been embarrassed enough??? The answer is no, but still!!! I'm glad Swimmy and Swimmy2 (I don't know his name, aight?) were appointed to lead Russian troops, they know how to rack up a high kill/casualty count! A high kill/casualty count on which side, you may ask? I don't know, but they rack up a high kill/casualty count!
always good to see some realistically overpowered NATO shit in games. Im not saying russian stuff is dysfunctional dog shit (even though it is as we are all learning), but it definitely looks it next to the insane weapon systems nato has. That HIMARS in particular was beautiful
Honestly the Russian equipment in WARNO isn't that bad at all, justifiably with the 80s timeframe. Its just that the people playing the PACT side chose the worst unit combinations possible. For example: not having a single close-in gun AA to follow up on successful missile hits and/or just do chip damage to the planes.
@@billbob2205 3 months later I can't help but ask, how's Avdiivka going, buddy shill? Lost a few brigades-worth of equipment by the looks, what a shame!
sorry if you got ask this already but hope you have company of hero 3 video in the work because it one of the RTS beside AOEII that really made me love the RTS games
Turns out, when you use Russian equipment properly and pair it with good tactics you actually get results....someone wanna maybe tell the Russians this?
@@MyFunnyVids888They have too much to do that, we all thought they were scary due to how much they have, when in reality that’s what’s making them so weak. Oh and their dogshit tactics, with a few exceptions. And the fact that corruption is another main reason very little equipment is maintained! Just look at the case of the Moskva, jesus!
Too bad the USA can't field the NIKE Hercules nuclear sam system. That's right. America fielded an anti-aircraft system with nuclear tipped missiles with a top speed of mach 4 and a max altitude of around 100,000ft.
1. I know this is a joke. 2. I don't think any of the sides really use T-55s, they are too outdated even for the Russian Army. Usually the ones that are used are T-62s and T-72s. Russians once for a while take out the copebricked T-80 and rarely T-90s. I don't think I have seen yet any footage of T-55 in Ukraine in active combat but I maybe wrong, if so I would really be grateful for the footage.
@@niewiemjaksienazwac1652 Before the time you wrote this I know Ukraine had been or were going to be given those heavily modified T55s from Czechia or Slovakia iirc. Also I'm sure you've seen the recent videos of the Russian trains.
The original designers/manufacturers of the American aircraft featured (so everyone knows who to "Say hello" to ;) F-16 Fighting Falcon: General Dynamics (Convair Division) F-15 Eagle: McDonnell Douglas (later purchased by Boeing) AH-1 Cobra: Bell CH-47 Chinook: Piasecki (later purchased by Boeing) F-111 Aardvark: General Dynamics (Convair Division) AH-64 Apache: Hughes (later purchased by McDonnell Douglas, finally purchased by Boeing) F-104 Starfighter: Lockheed (later merged into Lockheed Martin) F-4 Phantom II: McDonnell (later merged into McDonnell Douglas, finally purchased by Boeing) UH-60 Black Hawk: Sikorsky (later purchased by Lockheed Martin) A-10: Fairchild-Republic
it was always the case aside from like a very brief moment around the 70s or so. Russians are just very good at gaslighting and indoctrinating westerners into believing the "russia stronk" bullshit.
NATO gang rise up!
FYI: We play this game with mods, as the game is too fast for us vanilla.
frfr
"SILENCE WESTOID!"
Danes truly the lynchpin of NATO
NATO, Woo! Only Turkey needs to ratify Finlands membership and they are in! *WOO!*
What mods? Picked this game up recently and think it's way too fast as well.
> Flies a SEAD plane against an infrared Strela bus
> Doesn't work
> Malding
> Plays East German tank division centered around spamming mid-tier tanks
> Complains USSR is trash
> Malding
> Cluster bombs light infantry positions
> Wonders why it doesn't work
> Malding
> Spams T--55As against Leopard 2A3s
> Loses
> Malding
Honestly they probably traded pretty evenly with those t55s since they were able to take down a leopard 1 and multiple leopard 2a3s
Expecting cluster munitions to have effect on infantry is reasonable if you haven't played any WarGame before
but the SEAD one lmao
So, does the SEAD plane have anti-raditaion missiles or what is the problem with it facing that apc?
@@sfctw1 six months later, you can ask the irl russian troops about the effects of cluster munitions on infantry. Though not a lot of direct witnesses would be able to tell you anything.
@@tommygunmitvierm724 SEAD missiles track the radiation emitted by a radar when it is actively emitting it. If the radar is off it has nothing to track begin with, and with the Strela its an infrared missile with a passive (aka not emitting any trackable radiation) seeker. It just tracks the thing in the sky emitting the most heat (itself a form of radiation). This is either a planes exhaust or the sun or flares.
Ya AA in this game is very bipolar. sometimes it shoots shit down very quickly other times it wont fire at a helicopter near by with clear line of site. Also some Counter-Battery artillery might have helped out swimmy against those MLRS a little.
Every single update they tweak AA stats trying to balance it but they make it even worse and I'm not kidding. When Last big update dropped AA was literal hell to use
Pact even has better MLRS in the buratino. The complaints about nato being OP is some serious copium
They're using a mod that probably break the Soviet equipment, while the gane does have a bias since it's launch it isn't nearly this bad
@@perekmad A classic Eugen moment.
The Soviets really do put the miss in missiles
The Soviet missile doesn't know where it is at all times
It’s actually insane to me they have subsonic missiles but their smart missiles are complete trash
Bo's larping skill so good he can literally switch between larping nato technological superiority and the russian throwing manpower with no problem 💀
Seems really like a reverse larp giving the Soviet technological superiority in the cold war
@@dwarow2508 whaaaa
@@dwarow2508 are you high?
@@Q84inHarbin Man whatever you're on, I want that too
wdym russian manpower? Even in the 80s and 90s, the US had relatively the same amount of population
I love this game, at first I thought it was trash back at release but then after all the updates it’s amazing
This is literally us
I refunded it the first month of release. Might pick this up again :|
@@dudududu1926 definitely. I re downloaded steel division 2 then wanted something more modern so I gave warno another shot last week and it was amazing on the same lvl as steel division just without campaign mode but it’s coming soon I think
What'd they change? I refunded it for being trash on release too
@@johnathonyoung4799 everything. It just feels so much better
I remember playing Red Dragon a few years ago and it was so crazy fast, the AI would just spam units non stop and there was no in between of shit tier to god tier ai.
Playing against friends was a least a little fun but I got stomped on anyway lmao
Yeah playing against AI was setting up a defensive position and letting them Zerg rush you
@@WillyShankspeare Pretty much the first turn of any red dragon campaign can be summed up with *turtle*
I loved the pace personally, it was refreshing that there finally was a game where you couldn't cheese _everything_ by being _proactive_ everytime but the AI actually dictates many things/fairly often
Ye for red dragon you need to play like 40+ hours before you start being able to play a 1v1
"God bless NATO precision, this weapon is Bussin," Average Ukrainian Logistics Officer circa 2022/2023
In NAFO we trust
@@sithtrooper1948 ew
@@braunreal he’s right you know
@@ch-53esuperstallion76 not really ahahaha.
@@pnduarte4696 what?I’m just saying that Precision weapons is superior than just bombing the entire grid
My only guess for the soviet missiles just kinda dipping is that they need constant radar signature to work and the jammers and other counter measures on nato just kinda fuck on those missiles.
Sadly it's not how wargame/Warno works.
Missiles roll dice to keep lock. If they lose they go schizophrenic and veer wildly like you see.
Nah, KUBs just suck with 45% accuracy.
Same with tve Redeyes. They only get 35% if I remember correctly.
@@TheRoyalRabbit is this ingame accuracy?
@@swatcccp4673 If I correctly remember it; yes.
I'd have to look up the patch notes, but I think I remember they got downgraded to those values.
@@TheRoyalRabbit Yea, starts at 45% and gets lowered even more by ECM. Is why I only use them in batterys (so 4 or more)
God bless Lockheed Martin. God bless Raytheon.
Truly a based game, actually has real equipment differences.
You mean god bless the ability to copy russian equipment cuz thats what most NATO missiles at warno's setting were effectively since you know their missiles didn't tend to lock onto clouds and shit and i forget how many millions in todays money the CIA paid to yugoslavia for examples of those missiles.
Soviet Tanks and arty are stronger. They got the best Tank in the game aucally. Inf is also really good in some pact divisions
god bless the military industrial complex and siphoning money from the government
@@greekguy5647 makes sense, the russians really focused hard on the ground war stuff.
nato took a more all rounder approach and made great air vehicles.
@@resentfuldragon yeah the NATO planes are definitely great
Man, I remember that episode in the Bokoen Cinematic Universe when I was in the cinemas, when Braun uttered his catchprase after winning with Bo against swigma- "Bokoen1 : Swimmy 0". It was definitely one of the moments of all Time
WDYM? Swimmy doesn't lose. He just wins in the other direction. (TBH that's also the sort of excuse I'd expect the irl Kremlin to make)
Hoped you would play some warno, you think there'll be any more videos on this?
Probably, we played a lot in the past week
@@Bokoen1 that’s good, how have you found it compared to Steel division and stuff?
@@Bokoen1 You guys might keep an eye on Broken Arrow, it's a more arcadey WARNO if I had to sum it up. Looks fun, not released yet though.
@@Aqueox Broken Arrow reminds me a lot more of World in Conflict with some bits of Red Dragon and mixed together. Looks great, hope it turns out great.
TL;DR: Not to say that this is good for game balance, but that's how it worked in the real world. Both Soviet AND NATO missiles during the mid and even late cold war would often struggle to hit their targets as pilots had a variety of maneuvers and systems at their disposal to counter them. But when they did, a missile hit was nearly universally fatal.
To start, a missile has two outcomes once fired: it will either miss or completely destroy/critically damage a plane (severely damage engines, airfoil, etc, leading to a crash). It wasn't until the 90's (T80s, MiG 31s using the R-73M or R-74, Abrams M1A2s, F/A-18s using the AIM-9M+, etc) where we got missiles that could consistently hit their targets in all-aspect firing, until then it was basically a 50/50 depending on the missile whether you'd get a miss or a kill.
Notching, which was a commonly taught tactic even in the early 70s, was a method to effectively dodge the then cutting-edge Pulse-Doppler radar guided missiles due to the way their imaging system worked. Chaff would disguise planes from earlier radiation-based radar and their missiles as well. Flares were highly effective against all Infrared based radars and missiles up until the R-73 and AIM-9L and later. And in the modern day, we have Electronic, Radiation, and TV Countermeasures and Jammers to further distract missiles.
Jets from the 70s and onwards also tended to have Laser-warning systems that could detect if their plane was targeted with ground-based laser-guided SAMs and ATGMs, and while not having a way to effectively 'distract' the system with countermeasures, they could often simply dodge the missile via extreme maneuvers as these systems tended to only be guided by humans 'painting' the target with a laser designator, at least during the cold war.
Additionally, field/mobile radar systems often performed well below the level of their equivalent permanent radar encampments and would often have issues with ground clutter and sustained use in a combat environment.
All-in-all, as long as the pilot is aware of their surroundings and has the systems available in then-modern jets to counter then-modern missiles, it was extremely hard to take them down with one. The fighting doctrine throughout the cold war was to use your missiles to make an enemy pilot bleed their speed by making them take evasive maneuvers, then finishing off the low-speed pilot with a gun kill. Otherwise, a good pilot could often dodge up to three missiles in a row before being forced to disengage or making a fatal mistake.
There's a reason even the modern F-35 still has an internal gun, when the ANCIENT F-4 phantom was originally designed without one, in favor of being able to hold over a dozen missiles. Now, when a MiG-23 (1967) or Su-22 (1975) (as shown in game) goes up against an AA configured F-15E (1989), there's absolutely no way that jet is going to be able to dodge a missile from it, as it was never designed to fight something that far ahead of its time. Honestly, I'm not sure why the game is pitching late-60's and early 70's soviet aircraft and tanks up against late 80's NATO tech, but it's definitely the reason why this video gives off a sense of 'NATO technological superiority'.
The USSR definitely was playing catch-up in technology during most of the Cold War, but their doctrine of cost-effective ATGM/APFSDS platforms (T-55/64) was extremely hard to combat with the American doctrine of '...accept nothing but the best'. When an $800,000 (T-64) [Quoted at being 40% of the price of a T-72, which costs ~$2,000,000] tank is able to shoot a round capable of penetrating and likely destroying a $4,400,000 (Abrams 1A2) tank, you can see why the Russians often didn't care that they didn't have the leading technological edge, especially considering they had over twice the amount of nuclear warheads as the Americans in 1985, and nearly quadruple in 1990.
Oh hey, my company just shipped a operation, maintenance, and repair training program for HIMARS at the start of February.
Clearly the NATO-bros in Bo's game have benefitted from all the new training material.
Help! Someone's replaced all the brand new Soviet equipment with barely upkept Russian Federation equipment from 40 years in the future!
To be fair I think there is actually a problem with AA in warno. Both Soviet and NATO AA tend to one shot or hit nothing. I played 6 games 3 as Soviet’s and 3 as nato and AA ate rocks on both sides, missing all shots, which is surprising because even the best AA is bad ( Roland on nato side and BUK on Soviet ) guess it’s like steel division 2, but reversed 😂.Maybe the issue is that accuracy gets severely penalised by agility stat of planes, but I am not sure. Till this moment I would say that red dragon is still better, more units on both sides and less problems. Also I think radars aren’t working as they are supposed to in warno, unless they are using different system than in red dragon.
Its because of ECM
In warno its all about short range missile spam/guns for kills. the long range shit just doesnt perform well other than suppressing the target unless you spam them out. most payloads that can be used are in range of infrared/guns and the ones that dont can be countered through positioning
@@jgrantrichardson3748 that seems like terrible game design tbh. Why even have AA if it doesn't work anyway?
@@jgrantrichardson3748 So the game basically wants you to build a real air defense grid, with forward infrared/short range missiles and long range missiles behind the lines. This seems like an interesting solution, but I doubt it's worth it. To preform an air defense grid you need a lot of points, and planes, at least in vanilla, are mediocre (the performance of bombs is quite poor, and missiles can't destroy many targets).In the end it looks like you can just ignore AA and counter enemy Air with yours and just spam cheapest AA you can.
TL;DR: Not to say that this is good for game balance, but that's how it tends to work in the real world. Missiles during the mid and even late cold war would often struggle to hit their targets as pilots had a variety of maneuvers and systems at their disposal to counter them. But when they did, a missile hit was nearly universally fatal.
You either miss or completely destroy/critically damage a plane (severely damage engines, airfoil, etc, leading to a crash). It wasn't until the 90's (T80s, MiG 31s using the R-73M or R-74, Abrams M1A2s, F/A-18s using the AIM-9M+, etc) where we got missiles that could consistently hit their targets in all-aspect firing, until then it was basically a 50/50 depending on the missile whether you'd get a miss or a kill.
Notching, which was a commonly taught tactic even in the early 70s, was a method to effectively dodge the then cutting-edge Pulse-Doppler radar guided missiles due to the way their imaging system worked. Chaff would disguise planes from earlier radiation-based radar and their missiles as well. Flares were highly effective against all Infrared based radars and missiles up until the R-73 and AIM-9L and later. And in the modern day, we have Electronic, Radiation, and TV Countermeasures and Jammers to further distract missiles.
Jets from the 70s and onwards also tended to have Laser-warning systems that could detect if their plane was targeted with ground-based laser-guided SAMs and ATGMs, and while not having a way to effectively 'distract' the system with countermeasures, they could often simply dodge the missile via extreme maneuvers as these systems tended to only be guided by humans 'painting' the target with a laser designator, at least during the cold war.
Additionally, field/mobile radar systems often performed well below the level of their equivalent permanent radar encampments and would often have issues with ground clutter and sustained use in a combat environment.
All-in-all, as long as the pilot is aware of their surroundings and has the systems available in then-modern jets to counter then-modern missiles, it was extremely hard to take them down with one. The fighting doctrine throughout the cold war was to use your missiles to make an enemy pilot bleed their speed by making them take evasive maneuvers, then finishing off the low-speed pilot with a gun kill. Otherwise, a good pilot could often dodge up to three missiles in a row before being forced to disengage or making a fatal mistake.
There's a reason even the modern F-35 still has an internal gun, when the ANCIENT F-4 phantom was originally designed without one, in favor of being able to hold over a dozen missiles. Now, when a MiG-23 (1967) or Su-22 (1975) (as shown in game) goes up against an AA configured F-15E (1989), there's absolutely no way that jet is going to be able to dodge a missile from it, as it was never designed to fight something that far ahead of its time. Honestly, I'm not sure why the game is pitching late-60's and early 70's soviet aircraft and tanks up against late 80's NATO tech, but it's definitely the reason why this video gives off a sense of 'NATO technological superiority'.
Swimmy is going to have nightmare for weeks thanks to the Himars
In a last ditch effort, the GRU may kidnap Bo and force him to become lead commander of the special military operation in Ukraine.
Bo should've called in the tractors to steal all Swimmys shit
3:50 Imagine being dabbed on by a fucking lawn dart with a bottle rocket strapped to it.
My sexuality is Cho King humming Ride Of The Valkyries.
Pfft, who needs quality equipment when you got
DA BOIZ
Pretty accurate video tbh
Amazing how even the US didn’t know how good and important the HIMARS was until the Ukraine invasion. Was not a big focus on rocket artillery.
It’s because air dominance plays a larger part
Artillery capability in general has atrophied over the last 20+ years and only recently has the US Army begun to reinvest in it heavily with projects like the M1299 and PrSM
Yeah, insurgents don't make for as good of an artillery target, we typically are NOT trying to level whatever village they are at. For the Russians, leveling a town is just as much an objective
Time for some bokoen meme tactics
Realism 11/10
Honestly the t55 are pretty good if you support them with other units I usually use them as bait while attacking with mech inf so they either have to shoot the inf or the tank. Plus they come with smoke so if you are watching them they can survive at least one atgm
At least one.
*Meanwhile T-72s getting lit up left and right*
T-55 is truly the superior tank.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 The T72 is hands down superior in every way
That T-80 really just said "can't hit what ain't there" and turned its crew into cosmonauts
2:42 Can't believe Cho King really called in A HIMARS for that
Most competent Russian army moment:
having seen Rimmy's original review of this game, i wonder what changes have been made since then, if at all
Shitloads of changes tbh
We're really doing a lot of lifting with the word "review" there
I gotta say after playing the game on launch and immediately refunding it then having just rebought it recently, It's pretty good nowadays and Rimmy really was doomerpilled as hell when first looking at the game. Eugen has shown that they care about the title despite its rushed release in my personal opinion.
This was absolutely amazing! I hope to see more of this!
9:09 Actually bo those are not modern variants as they don't have the standard issue cope cage 9000
Warno hits different than War game red Dragon it will be interesting to play it when it will be packed up with content
Ukraine upon receiving HIMARs: “god bless NATO precision, this shit is BUSSIN”
I'm glad to see the developers paid so much attention to realism!
There is a really good mod for this game where it makes the speed, weapon range and supply more “realistic” and accuracy and it helps this game a lot
what's it called?
@@generalpanic92 it’s called cinnamon mod sorry for the late comment I never saw this😭
@@clapster4593 its alright, and thanks
Love that Bo plays the NATO anthem
Remember when in Wargame, Russian Equipment was actually dangerous and ever since they put the realistic values in they cant hit for shit, realism at its finest
It's just the mod
What realistic values lol? Can you like back up a single nerfed value? If those values are realistic, how did NATO get trashes by Soviet gear in the cold war?
@@dwarow2508 the one that didn't happen?
@@dwarow2508 Do tell, when did NATO get thrashed by Soviet equipment in a stand up fight? Because last I checked, while Norfolk and 73 Eastings were pretty one sided it wasn't in favour of the soviet equipment.
@@עודד-כ7ל
*cough* 1 : 89 K/D ratio of Soviet planes against NATO planes over Vietnam *cough* M4s getting massacred in Korea by T34s *cough* Indian T55s slaughtering M48s *cough* Literally every African proxy where Soviet and NATO gear was used *cough* MiGs dominating the skies over Korea *cough*
I LOVE GENERAL DYNAMICS!
This is how true gigachads battle over politics
Red Dragon still has the better looking UI, but damn those explosions are more satisfying
Bo why do you keep releasing vids at like 1 AM or midnight? You are in Denmark so you litterlay have the same timezone as me so I will ask again..... why the hell do you post vids at like midnight or 1 am
I imagine most viewers are American
@@handles_are_a_bit_rubbish >: (
Bet you wont see Grisha playing the russians in this game
If Grisha ever comes back in one piece AWARE WOKAGE
Grisha doesn’t need to play as the Russians when he’s hiding in Wagner’s HQ
Imagine being declared physically unfit by Wagner.
They take malnourished prison ‘comfort men’ and pensioners.
Oh Grisha, oh you.
@@pleaseignore3055Oh, and most of the prisoners they recruit are drug addicts. Yeah. That’s bad. Also wagner is no longer recruiting prisoners, you want to know why? Because THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT IS MAKING A PENAL LEGION IN 2023!
Saw title, knew realism triggers tankies and vatniks.
Look at the comments, wasn’t disappointed.
They produce the best cope.
What, nobody says that
*nukes you*
I wonder if the stats got updated to better reflect current Russian military strength
Pls play more of this
Russian equipment not working in modern technology? True to modern times!
*F-15c with AIM-9*
*Cobras with 64 rocket*
*MANPADS splashing two aircraft at the same time*
And they say war thunder is US biased
Well, you aren't called BokoenLose.
The funniest part is that they are using MARS (Medium Artillery Rocket System) that is a German system, and calling it the HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System), that wasn't developed by the games timespan of the cold war and isn't in the game.
MARS is the gemran designation for the M270. HIMARS is literally just half a M270 on a truck.
@@magni5648 The himars they are concerned about would use the DPICM ammo
@@molotov6844 It still is the same weapons system though so Bo wasn't entirely wrong.
What air defense doing?
"Do you fear the weapon?"
Bo, who gave you permission to upload actual combat footage of the ongoing war?!?! Haven't the Russian Armed Conscripts been embarrassed enough??? The answer is no, but still!!!
I'm glad Swimmy and Swimmy2 (I don't know his name, aight?) were appointed to lead Russian troops, they know how to rack up a high kill/casualty count! A high kill/casualty count on which side, you may ask? I don't know, but they rack up a high kill/casualty count!
Just like in real life HIMARS can be used to great effectiveness against Momlover77x
Imagine game like that but its based on some sci fi wars between aliens and humans
Can’t believe nato is fighting Russia. It’s over Russia bros
Based on the recent events in certain parts of the world, Id say the description at 0:25 is historically accurate
based on Russia in Ukraine it seems that AA failing is a common occurance
at this point its a skill issue
always good to see some realistically overpowered NATO shit in games. Im not saying russian stuff is dysfunctional dog shit (even though it is as we are all learning), but it definitely looks it next to the insane weapon systems nato has. That HIMARS in particular was beautiful
Honestly the Russian equipment in WARNO isn't that bad at all, justifiably with the 80s timeframe. Its just that the people playing the PACT side chose the worst unit combinations possible. For example: not having a single close-in gun AA to follow up on successful missile hits and/or just do chip damage to the planes.
I look forward to a modern day WARNO!
"God Bless Nato"~Bokoen1 2023
When did this game became "swift military exersice 2023"
"Thats what i call air support" was just so based
You should do more of this
I thought the thumbnail was real for a second lol.
The missle barrage was a sight to see.
Weird hearing them call all MLRS HIMARS. All the ones they are using are a lot more capable than HIMARS.
However it definitely is a HIMARS moment despite the fact HIMARS are a lot less capable than the M270.
They're MARS, the german designation for the M270 MLRS. Guess that designation threw them off.
I love how Russian equipment is correctly portrayed
Very realistic
such a relief to watch this while being bombed by russians at 3 a.m.
It interesting watching this after watching leopards and Bradleys drop like flies in eastern Ukraine rn
@@billbob2205
lol, lmao even. Cope harder
@@billbob2205 3 months later I can't help but ask, how's Avdiivka going, buddy shill? Lost a few brigades-worth of equipment by the looks, what a shame!
Ладно
@@ДмитроПрищепа-д3ячерез 3 месяца не могу не спросить как дела в авдеевке^-^
Redfor missiles in general are pretty rough, they weren't awesome in WGRD but WARNO they're even worse.
I highly recommend you to try Broken Arrow, devs announced that they start another demo-version this summer, with multiplayer.
Its super fun game
You said you were playing with mods, what are the mods to be exact ???
P.S. NATO gang rise up!
I love larp games
sorry if you got ask this already but hope you have company of hero 3 video in the work because it one of the RTS beside AOEII that really made me love the RTS games
they were probably playing urss with the corruption debuff or something
God Bless the Nato Response Force o7
0:22 Russia at the start of the Ukraine-Russian War
Turns out, when you use Russian equipment properly and pair it with good tactics you actually get results....someone wanna maybe tell the Russians this?
Soviet equipment was designed to fight a Soviet war, Russia is 30 years and a national collapse away from such a thing
i think it would help if they also properly maintained the damn equipment as well
@@MyFunnyVids888They have too much to do that, we all thought they were scary due to how much they have, when in reality that’s what’s making them so weak. Oh and their dogshit tactics, with a few exceptions. And the fact that corruption is another main reason very little equipment is maintained! Just look at the case of the Moskva, jesus!
More WARNO please! I recently got it and love it.
NATO gang all the way
Too bad the USA can't field the NIKE Hercules nuclear sam system. That's right. America fielded an anti-aircraft system with nuclear tipped missiles with a top speed of mach 4 and a max altitude of around 100,000ft.
The russian army fears LHM Rayttheon,Boeing and Rhinemetal
I love how at around 5:00 the MARS just shoots through the hill. No wonder the russians stall this hard
I kinda want to get this game because it seems like it may be slightly better than red dragon now, or alteast from what I've seen
“That’s a lot of T-55 that died there” - Ukrainian soldier
1. I know this is a joke.
2. I don't think any of the sides really use T-55s, they are too outdated even for the Russian Army. Usually the ones that are used are T-62s and T-72s. Russians once for a while take out the copebricked T-80 and rarely T-90s. I don't think I have seen yet any footage of T-55 in Ukraine in active combat but I maybe wrong, if so I would really be grateful for the footage.
@@niewiemjaksienazwac1652 Before the time you wrote this I know Ukraine had been or were going to be given those heavily modified T55s from Czechia or Slovakia iirc. Also I'm sure you've seen the recent videos of the Russian trains.
just goes to show the true quality of the Russian equipment
Probably cause most of it is 30-40 years old lmao, the whole missile budget went into mega yatchs
The original designers/manufacturers of the American aircraft featured (so everyone knows who to "Say hello" to ;)
F-16 Fighting Falcon: General Dynamics (Convair Division)
F-15 Eagle: McDonnell Douglas (later purchased by Boeing)
AH-1 Cobra: Bell
CH-47 Chinook: Piasecki (later purchased by Boeing)
F-111 Aardvark: General Dynamics (Convair Division)
AH-64 Apache: Hughes (later purchased by McDonnell Douglas, finally purchased by Boeing)
F-104 Starfighter: Lockheed (later merged into Lockheed Martin)
F-4 Phantom II: McDonnell (later merged into McDonnell Douglas, finally purchased by Boeing)
UH-60 Black Hawk: Sikorsky (later purchased by Lockheed Martin)
A-10: Fairchild-Republic
Never forget the T72 Tiki Torches, along with the cope cages
0:19 so real life then lol
Russian equipment being useless is now officially canon xD
it was always the case aside from like a very brief moment around the 70s or so. Russians are just very good at gaslighting and indoctrinating westerners into believing the "russia stronk" bullshit.
I remember this game had a shake launch is it worth it now?
Yeah, they made the game very playable
Say hello to Raytheon and lockheed Martin
Will you guys be checking out Broken Arrow when it releases or chance to play it at all? Just curious on what ur thoughts would be
Take a shot when ever Bo calls Germans, Russians
Could you tell us/ link to the mod you are using for making the game slower?
please tell us what mods your using. thanks
is that the guy from SD League?
a question asked by Soy-viets everywhere...
WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING!?!?!?!
Finały my request Has been fullfiled