Hi everyone! Thanks for 100K views! When I first made this video, I wasn’t even expecting to get a tiny percentage of that! All these comments have made my day. A few misconceptions I want to talk about: - The reason why some moves / characters aren’t in this video is because I wanted to limit it to 10 minutes. I can assure you that I do think Pyra / Mythra are “broken” too lol - I know a version of the Luigi 0-to-Death was patched early, but I’m referring to the specific combo shown in the video that has existed for about 4 years - Kazuya Mishima Thanks again for watching :)
Ngl, Steve & Kazuya are obnoxious, but even if that is the case, I can still have fun combo-fooding them with Pikachu or Pichu. Believe me. When I say that spiking them with the D-Air, Thunder-blasting them off-stage, or just spamming B-Air for HILARIOUS combos is a pallete cleanser, *I MEAN IT.* -That's why those two are the best in the game, anyway(Fight me, if you think otherwise.).-
This man basically said what we are all thinking about smash ultimate in one nice video. The worst part is, none of these characters are going to get nerfed because there are no more patches for smash ultimate.
@@shellytonz2856 everything technically has “counterplay”, but you do realize the person using the busted characters can use counterplay against the counterplay, right? So if they have a lot more strong options to use then the opponent has to be a lot luckier in their predictions and/or much more careful which still results in a big advantage for the player using the broken character. In steve’s case you can do stuff to get around his blocks but it’s such an uphill battle that puts so much urgency on you to attack a character who has tons of trapping moves and with kazuya it’s to be absurdly cautious about actually playing the game, which is poor design and not enjoyable.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 When a ton of characters can outrange Kazuya and most people already play with those styles he's easy to beat. Rushdown characters can speed blitz him and long range characters can out zone him
He's an incredibly fun party game and really cemented the fact that ultimate is the least competitive smash game, add the insane lag and input buffer and you know just play this game for fun, dont try to play it seriously like the others.
Although Smash Ultimate has caused a lot of frustration in my life (Quickplay, losing to disjoints as a Jigglypuff main, etc), this is still one of my favorite games of all time.
I think Kazuya has the exact same issues that Bayo had in Smash 4, which is the fact that they feel *exactly* out of their original game. Which ordinarily, wouldn't be bad! It's bad when it comes to Tekken, a game known for it's high skill ceiling, but high reward system (And it's been made slightly easier for smash purposes, iirc EWGF is no longer frame perfect) Or Bayo, who came from a character action game, a genre known for just basically being "Blend your enemies into a fine paste."
Not to mention the justification some people give is "but Kazuya's disadvantage is bad." My memory of smash 4 bayo is kinda fuzzy but wasn't that cited as a bayo weakness and a defense for her? (Bonus points for the fact that Pyra & Mythra are like S4 cloud, their only real weakness is recovery)
2:33 small correction: this WAS actually patched once, that patch is the reason the combo ends in up-air up-b instead of d-air up-b so basically it was a nothing patch, but there was an attempt to patch it
It still is there, which was the point. However, he missed 2 crucial parts to his 0td: SDI (to very little surprise), and damaging yourself. If you can damage yourself with your own kit or using Luigi's fireballs, you can put yourself above 0td percent, and his combos weakness a decent bit
They nerfed it at the beginning and Luigi mains immediately found a workaround and they never tried again lol I wonder what a spike on stage dair would have done for luigis combos in the future, we never got to see because it was patched out so fast
I do like how Steve's combos are truly based on the creativity and imagination of the player. it represents minecraft as whole rather well (even if it is broken)
@@Oreca2005 now imagine an online steve duo who both are good at playing as steve and have good communication and coordination. What I imagine is someone breaking there switch afterwards.
Fr I don’t play ultimate anymore but having a projectile command grab is a bit crazy. Plus no lag landing on blocks, plus that disgusting back throw into a block… what were the devs thinking
@@nubunto so much of the bullcrap wouldn't exist if Steve was _more_ faithful to his game (surprisingly; usually it's the opposite). The fact that you have a character that can place terrain anywhere just like Minecraft but in a fighting game is wild enough on its own, but at least in Minecraft you couldn't place blocks on top of freaking air. He shouldn't be able to just stop himself from falling by placing a block midair, or easily backthrow an opponent into the _bottom_ blast zone with a quick midair block. He should have to at least work for it by creating structures from the _ground_ up, so to speak.
One thing I think a lot of people overlook is that, yes it is very upsetting to play AGAINST most characters (every character). But it's also very fun to play YOUR character.
Here the thing with Pythra, alright? She’s really good, this is no suprise. Glorious combos with Mythra, and early kills with Pyra. But. Pythra isn’t broken in the same way that Kazuya and Steve is. Kazuya and Steve don’t really have many weaknesses. They are good in almost everything, from combos, to kills, to recoveries, and especially in jank. But Pythra doesn’t really have that. She doesn’t have a gimmick nearly as insane as Kazuya and Steve’s. She simply becomes quicker but weaker, or stronger but slower. And, Pythra also struggles with her recovery. Something that Kazuya and Steve don’t struggle with. Basically: Kazuya and Steve’s only real weakness is the skill of the guy playing them. Pythra, however, has an actual area in the game that she struggles in. Yeah, Pythra is kind of bullshit, sometimes. But compared to Kazuya and Steve, she isn’t all that bad.
As a part time Aegis main, its kinda cuz she has good stuff but has weaknesses. Like Pyra has high damage, Mythra has combos, and Steve has both and camping and a command grab projectile. Also unlike the best 2 characters in the game no 0-to-deaths
I greatly appreciate how this video didn't go the route of hating on DLC. The line you used at 10:35 is definitely the best mentality regarding these things. Mad respect to you, great video.
Link also has a special property, namely that he gets 90% boost to his fall speed when fast falling, which is more than the 60% boost that the majority of characters get. This is why Link, despite not having very high fall speed, has one of the best fastfalls in the game, which makes his nair that much more op
Man I gotta be honest, I just really hope Steve isn't in the next smash game. I don't know if there's ever been a character that feels worse to play against, and I experienced Brawl Meta and 4's Bayonetta.
So, Steve is worse than a character that can kill you at 0 from anywhere on stage with about an hour of pratice on training mode, and there is litterally nothing you can do about it? And a character so busted that the tier list litterally revolves around him? That's rough.
He’s like sm4sh cloud in the way they force you to approach, but can also prevent you from approaching with blocks as well as putting themselves in an advantageous position because some characters are unable to approach blocks sometimes, and also has some of the fastest and strongest moves in the game, like a FRAME 11 GANON F-SMASH, for instance.
I legitimately don't believe you. Steve doesnt touch of death you, outplaying him in neutral actually leads to reward, and his "camping" is nowhere near as bad as what MK could do.
Surprised you didn't mention that R.O.B's side-B can also reflect projectiles. It's far from the best reflector but it makes life harder for zoners and gives R.O.B. a trick up his sleeve against characters with big killing projectiles (Cloud Limit Blade Beam, Hero Kafrizz, Robin Thoron, Samus, Mewtwo, etc.
@@DragonMaster1818It isn't gonna be pulled out a lot due to how laggy it is yeah, but against the mentioned "big killing projectiles" it makes ROB better than characters without one.
I think it"s funny that link had a section about his nair being broken, RIGHT AFTER mii brawler's section even tho his nair's just as dumb if not more (pretty much does everything better than link's apart from range + grant him insane combos)
Brawler's Nair should've been mentioned. That move gave him some of the best combos in the game and is frame 3, safe on shield, spammable, and lingers for so long.
Nowhere near as safe in terms of challenging moves tho. No or very small disjoint, low priority, doesnt beat projs, if your opponent is throwing out a move unlike Links this isnt a pseudo shield in midair
Ever since Smash Ult's final DLC, they pretty much said "K, we're done". Sadly, none of these things will be fixed. Everyone and their mother in Quickplay and elsewhere will continue to abuse these things, toxicity will continue.
Honestly, Kazuya and Steve are the top contenders for "What bs are they gonna pull this time?" Leaning more to Steve simply because of his block, minecart and anvil mechanics...
As an inkling main, the last two mentioned in the video are slightly more easier to deal with. Online, Steve's, when they wall off players, usually leave a block empty in the middle, good for Splat bombs, and inkling has good recovery and fast air speed, it's harder to kill off stage, also inkling's forward air attack the upper hit box and can deal with Steve's Minecart (still hella hard to fight one) and inkling straight up bullies Kuzuka, being very hard to hit and able to low profile under his projectiles and use splat bomb to abuse his recovery (at least in my experiences of fight him, it varies from person to person) also splat bomb is ridiculously good
With Steve there's at least some plausible deniability with whether they expected him to be as good as he was. They obviously didn't foresee how Steve could make it impossible for you to challenge him mining, guaranteeing him diamond tools. They also probably didn't see all the other advanced techniques you could do with blocks. With Kazuya, they KNEW what they were doing. They knew when they gave him massive hitboxes, high attack power, random invulnerability on a ton of his moves, more moves than any other character, a move that combos into everything, and on top of that, a comeback mechanic, that he was going to be top tier. They ABSOLUTELY knew.
If you think Luigis entire gameplan revolves around grab and thats literally the only thing your going for, your gonna get destroyed. Luigi can hit you at any percent and still deal insane amount of damage and that can lead to a kill confirm combo or up b. Literally being near the character is bad because he has crazy fast frame data and and a up b that kills mad early. Not to mention he can literally get out of almost any combo in the game that isnt true with down b
I once saw someone say that there are three types of Luigi players in Ultimate: -Bad (Can't do the zero to death) -Bad (Can do the zero to death) -Good (Can do the zero to death) And it's actually super accurate honestly. If your gameplan soley is to fish for the zero to death, you're a bad Luigi, because your entire gameplan will fall apart the second your opponent takes too much damage and the combo stops working
@@Robbie_Haruna As a Luigi player myself it dissapoints me that the cheesy Luigi players only fish for grab and spam fair zair fireball the entire time and do nothing else. Elegant and Luugi have shown you can still combo someone without the grab
My brother is the best Luigi in Oklahoma & I can confirm this. Also his zair is wildly underrated as a spacing & neutral tool that combos into grab and other moves like dash attack
@@Robbie_Haruna this is also very true for a few other characters like Bayonetta. Knowing "the combo" is important especially because having the threat of getting carried off the top is more valuable than actually trying to do it.
I fell like the reason for these strong options is that the devs wanna make the game balanced but at the same time don’t wanna make the characters too complicated so they won’t be discouraged from getting better
I find it funny that, even before the end of Smash Ultimate's lifespan, the strongest character in the game by *far* is... Steve. Not Kazuya, the character plagued with obscene moves from his 3D title. Not Pyra and Mythra, the tag-team duo with great speed and kill power combined into one. Not Palutena, the versatile goddess with tools for basically everything. Not ROB, despite how easy he is to play and how powerful his simple stuff is. Not even Pikachu, the dedicated (at least) high-tier character because of his archetype. It's Steve. The block man with an absurd amount of jank. The Lego figure with grounded aerials and instant ledge kills. The ugly duckling that became the swan once he learned how to land. Steve. It's fucking Steve.
i'd get into ultimate... if: -Online wasn't so expensive -Had a netcode that was ANY better than 12 frames of delay by default -buffed ridley (and everyone in d tier)
@@literallynotanyone Steve mainly got banned in a lot of tournaments at the time due to an exploit of him being able to cancel all knock-back done to him via multi hit attacks. Some examples being infinite jabs, cloud's side smash, pit's side smash... Etcetera. It was easy as hell to do as well, just mashing dodge and as long as he wasn't touching the floor he got an insta air dodge and an instant reversal.
You weren't finished with Luigi 1)Has so many kill combos and high damage combos 2) Really good at converting hits 3) Good frame data 4) Has good mid-range projectiles, has a huge disjointed grab 5) Has a frame 8 whiff-punish tool that kills super early and is 6 frames in the air 6) But must of all, on top of all that, he has frame 1 invincible, frame 4 startup reversal in the air
at least steve being the best character in the game is funny, with kazuya it’s just straight up unfair, if i get combo’d by steve that’s the funniest thing ever, if i get combo’d by kazuya it’s just “oh wow. 200% in 5 seconds. ok”
@@draymondstreamz8268 how to tell someone you're cocky without telling someone you're cocky i don't play competitive dumbass, i just take out my popcorn and watch #stevesweep
a couple moves that I wanna mention that are also super broken :0 -Steve's Up Tilt is fast, lagless, is a great anti air, and combos into practically everything. Up tilt is the exact same thing. -Sephiroth's Forward Tilt is HUGE and can function as both a spacing tool, an anti air, and a 2-framing option. Better than the belmonts in almost every conceivable way. -Jigglypuff Forward Throw sends people at a horrible angle, often forcing them to burn an option, which Jigglypuff loves to take advantage of. Some characters just die at 0 off a forward throw edgeguard. -Samus and Dark Samus's Charge Shot is extremely overcentralizing and can do just about anything. It zones, it combos, and it kills. Samus players can pressure just by charging it up. -Mii Gunner's Grenade Launcher is a disgusting ledgetrapping tool that is insanely easy to use and doesn't require much forethought. Does great damage and kills, sometimes you just can't get off the ledge against Mii Gunner. Awesome video regardless!! :0
As a Young Link main. Kazuya gives me FITS 😑. Like, the man is solid at everything AND invincible at times??? Literally counters my whole strategy smh. I respect Steve players.
Awesome video honestly I agreed with a lot of the points made in the video, however I still feel like pyra and mythra could join steve and kazuya. But still great video and I love the editing style tbh
As obnoxious and easy mode it is for pythra. They are still playing a similar game to you. While Steve and kazuya are playing something entirely different from you. Which is why, even if pythra is arguably top 3, Steve is worse because he is just allowed to play his game and you can't stop him.
@@redshepherd32 i wouldn't call it easy mode, they have crazy strong tools but mythra's buttons are very committal, you can't just throw them out and phone it in a week in advance and think it'll pay off
@@armorparade Mythra is one of the hardest characters to punish because her moves are disjointed with insane frame data, and if you get hit by one attack, she’s able to convert that into strings. If anything, Pyras the one with committal moves.
Comeback mechanics in general are a terrible idea in smash. I love Terry and he was one of my most wanted characters ever but who was the genius who thought giving him infinite supers would be balanced? In other fightning games comeback mechanics make sense cause they are universal (and sometimes even then they can be a pain in the ass for example the comeback Ultra combo in SF4, they give you a reversal move that deals almost 50% damage for losing) in smash though it depends in your character and each one has their own rules (Kazuya loses his if he misses too much or if he gets hit enough but Terry can take your 3 stocks out of Power Geysers). I love this game but I wouldn't play it competitively to save my life
Overall a very good video! My main gripes come in the Kazuya section, where you showed off untrue combos (which is understandable given that his combos are hard) and that you didn’t list all his moves that comboed into electric, overall still quite a good watch though :)
@@charlieallen710 Oh no I know, I’ve labbed this character quite a bit and I know he can get some stupid stuff but some of the combos did seem quite iffy to me
I always enjoy watching Heeew content. Even if it wasn't actually made by heeew. It would be interesting to see this style expanded to more than just fighting games too.
Like how you demonstrated "Gates of Hell" on little mac cause its told if he gets hit by that he might as well SD cause theres NO WAY for him to get back up
Steve in a vacuum is one of the coolest fighting characters with so much creativity. Its just sucks that it is so unmatched by everyone else and that makes it so annoying to fight. However just being one of the best characters is not grounds for a ban. I'm not saying that they should never be banned because as you said, the meta is always changing so who knows if we do end up with some game breaking discoveries with Steve or any other character for that matter. As of right now though I really don't think they should be banned.
"character is unmatched" "is one of the best" ........ "But we haven't found anything game breaking so we shouldn't ban :P" Bruh, are you hearing yourself. It's people like you that just make me want to ban this character more. No amount of discoveries in counterplay is gonna drastically close the gap with this character. And is only gonna give Steve more time to adapt.
Counterpoint: Steve is a cool and flexible character in a game where most characters are one-note and restricted, so we should keep him around. People say Steve is unfun to watch but he's dynamic and interesting in a way Luigi, Kazuya, Rob, any of the other 0-deatehrs or top tiers aren't. At least he CAN do stuff.
@@redshepherd32 wouldn’t giving Steve players time to adapt to counter play help strengthen ban efforts? Like I don’t agree with the people that are vehemently against the idea of banning him but if people do discover counterplay only for Steve players ending up just finding a way around it regardless, wouldn’t that help convince people of a need to ban him compared to now where it’s such a polarizing topic that the idea of a ban is unlikely?
@@markercrayon457 Well yeah, that's the general idea. I would rather the ban happen sooner than later. Even if Steve is the only character to be banned. Which I think is ultimately fair. Even characters with just as much influence like kazuya and pythra I could at least see people working around eventually.
I've just been "yeah that's what they do, that's not broken" with this whole vid mostly. What's really crappy in my mind isn't that the high tiers are good it's that the low tiers are crap. Give the bad characters some more redeeming qualities for their huge weaknesses!
First up, you have to realize that even though many play the game competitively, it was never designed to be. The "redeeming qualities" are there, but not exactly in one on one, for example. Others are just bad by default: Ganon is big, slow, and has no way to approach. Mac is Mac (and rightfully so). Secondly, the redeeming qualities could severely wreck the system if not done correctly, or even done at all. Also, if you say that rage drive isn't broken, there will be a few problems. Yes, you can kill him before 100, yes, he does have a bad disadvantage, but if you can't capitalize off of that or the opponent adapts, well... Just some food for thought
Okay but the high damage output and aight gg situations you get with the top tiers shouldn't be lowered? Cause idk about you but I like matches to last some length of time instead of I got hit now I'm half dead or got tod.
Yeah dedede hits like a truck but the poor penguin is so fat and slow he can't respond to a lot of things he gets bullied easily especially with stuff that a lot of people consider ""lame tactics""" He also gets bigger and easier to hit when he does certain animations. You could play yoshi against him do the regular yoshi stuff and then run away or camp while dedede tries to figure out how to approach without getting hit Too much
the bad characters have redeeming qualities being movesets nobody is familiar with💀 like villager which is why i used him a lot last time i played the game
Small correction from a Link main: Link's nair is not minimum -3 on shield. UFD or Kurogane Hammer give the safe on shield value frames for aerials assuming that you immediately hit the ground and enter landing lag after hitting a shield, whereas this is typically not easy to pull off for any character. For every frame you remain airborne after hitting a shield, you lose that many frames of safeness. For sweetspot nair, this is negligible. However, for soft nair, this typically makes the move unsafe if not spaced, depending on how tall the opponent is. You can potentially get away with it against Pichu, Kirby, and the like, but Marth can grab you for it 9 times out of 10 unless you spotdodge. Gimr's video "ONE FRAME" is a similar phenomena to this. Not implying it's not broken though. It is dumb. I love it.
Towards the end of playing smash bros regularly, I almost stopped playing all together because of Kazuya. Even if you know how to fight him, it's not fun at all, because the only thing you can really do is try to camp him out so he moves first and leaves himself open.
Fighter pass 2 in general reaaaaallly deters me from picking smash back up. Doesn't help that I really like rivals of aether but I'm not that good at it
Another broken Kazuya attack is that one move that is like a EGWF but stronger, strangest hitbox I ever seen, hitting from really below. Another op thing most don't know is that Shulk F Smash with Smash Monado can kill at 29% and Up Smash Buster Monado can break shields if charged, was glorious to see.
2:32 "has never been patched" wasn't there a patch where the old combo no longer worked but it was immediately replaced with the new dair > up-air > dair > up-air combo? I could be misremembering though
I think Steve's kit being so versatile and dynamic is a good thing; it makes combos extremely creative and often requires foresight and setup, allowing him to have arguably the highest skill ceiling in the game. The problem arises not from his gimmicks in a vacuum, but the fact that he has such powerful tools paired with an already decent kit. If you took away Steve's blocks, he would still be a mid tier, and that is too strong for a character with such powerful options
Here's a stupid combo I learned with Kazuya - super easy to perform and is a 100% guaranteed 0-death with over half of the smash roster. One thing to note, use this move on the edge of the platform in battlefield (both variants) and final destination. I have no idea how many spots on different maps will 100% work with this trick, but I do know, if you are on a map such as Wii Fit Trainer's, you should be able to perform this trick near one of the edges of the map for a zero to death. Ok, First, you need to face the direction you want to throw your opponent into. Second, use the side special (Devil Fist) on the opponent. Third, use the tripping attack (Stature Smash) while the stun animation is in play. Finally, use the alternative grab attack (Gates of Hell) while the opponent is in the tripped animation. This should deal a hefty amount of damage, and successfully throw the opponent off the edge, most probably instantly kill them, (Or just in general, throw them, if your not on the maps I suggested above). What I normally do after this, is spam neutral special (Devil Blaster) tilted downward to, as I like to call it, jump guard the opponent, when I use this on maps like final destination and such. You don't need to 'Jump guard' them if they have horrible recovery, like little mac, who will 100% die every time, but for characters with far better recovery whom could make it back to the ledge, you will need to jump guard. I will say, Jiggly puff Is one of the few who will make it past the jump guard and recover almost every time. If the initial throw doesn't work, it can be extremely difficult to successfully make it to the platform having to time your jumps.
Definitely see you become a huge figure in the smash community you keep the work up. This only your third video and its that well scripted and edited, prop’s honestly. Definitely got sub off this video 10/10
Great vid, I was actually planning on making this myself and calling it “Smash Ultimate is Broken 2.5” as soon as Christmas rolled around and I didn’t have to worry about school, but I guess you beat me to it. I still have the script in case you want to use it for a sequel to this one since I’ll probably be too burnt out to do it :).
GO is insane, but people don't tend to complain much about it since Terry's an otherwise mostly inoffensive character. He's definitely really good, but in a relatively balanced way.
I mean cancel spikes is useless because the only way to do it is by knowing your opponent will spike you, but if you know that, why would you not choose a better option?
My main is Mr game and watch . Soon as a match is about to start. Other players just quit . I used to hate playing against him so I just learned to use him
To this day. I still fully believe that all developers for every platform fighting game have a massive foot fetish. Because there is no reason why all these kicks, or literally just sticking your foot forward for a long time, are beating projectiles, swords, etc.
Not really smash ultimate is still great and it's arguably the most balanced smash game. I'm positively sure that smash isn't meant to be played competitively it's a party game after all also ruined by money It would imply the game is terrible and bad the video isn't made to show that ultimate is a bad game because of two dlc characters it's still a great game even if there are two op characters
How to avoid these attacks and abilities R.O.B.'s side special: stay as far away from R.O.B. when you think he's going to go for it. Mr. Game & Watch's up smash: find a high enough semisolid platform. The best you can hope for is that he won't go for the up special. Mii Brawler's Thrust Uppercut: try shielding and quickly dodging the Mii Brawler if he tries grabbing you. Also, avoid semisolid platforms. Link's Nair: just run as far away from Link until he stops. Also, avoid shooting projectiles at Link, especially if they can be charged. Luigi's 0-to-death: pick a range character like Samus and Mii Gunner and keep your distance. Ram Ram: pick a character that is either really agile, really fast or has multiple jumps. Fox, Sonic and Kirby are preferable. Electric Wind God Fist: same advice as Ram Ram. Just pick Kirby or Sonic and you can outrun/outjump this attack. Kazuya command input throw: pick a range character and stay as far away from the attack as possible if you think he's going to do it. (Even if he's on the edge) Rage Drive: pick a character with an easy to perform 0-to-death combo that doesn't involve inflicting 100% damage onto Kazuya. Kazuya Command Grab: pick a character that can jump high or has more than one double jump. Steve blocks: navigate through and/or break them shortly after they appear (preferably with a strong character like Bowser). Mine: pressure Steve into not mining as often, preferably by faking a devastating combo. This would give him less materials to work with. All of Steve's grounded moves: establish some space between you and Steve, and 8 to 9 out of 10 times, you're good. Back throw into Block: avoid Steve's fishing hook at all costs. Jab Strings: avoid Steve's frontside at all costs. Attack him from the back if you need to. Steve's TNT: use Pac-Man's hydrant or use a charged shot to push it towards Steve. Alternatively, trigger the button that sets off the TNT. Steve's Minecart: quickly run away from it. If you can't, jump over it. Also, don't get too close to Steve. I can't say that enough at this point. Diamond Tools: prevent Steve from mining a diamond. If that doesn't work, destroy his crafting table to prevent him from using the diamond. If that doesn't work, avoid Steve's Diamond Tools at all costs. NIL: get Steve to run out of block materials. Also, about that Steve & Kazuya being banned thing. I understand the importance of the ban. I think we should keep the bans in the major tournaments. In the meantime, we should try finding weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya's moves. Once we found enough weaknesses, a lift on the ban can be consider. It's going to be hard to find weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya, but I'm sure it'll all pay off in the end. We just have to lab as certain characters and hope for the best. The best being that Steve & Kazuya end up fighting each other or if they encounter a ditto fight.
although kazuya and steve are broken in there own ways they shouldnt be banned its nothing like bayo or meta knight were the only way to win is play them and there was 0 counter play. kazuya has boken combos but his nuetral so bad that he balances out alot
Steve is dumb, hes definitely the closest thing to the broken tiers from past games, hes just ridiculous and it will only get worse as the top players find more and more new techs with him.
This is honestly why i think nintendo shouldn’t of stopped the patches so quickly, because stuff like EWGF and steve in general need to be toned down imo. I dont think they should’ve had sakurai work on the game longer obviously, he deserves a break, but there should still be a balance steam team so stuff like electric wind god fist can be nerfed (making it have more lag on whiff/shield, lessing kazuyas ability to confirm into it, etc), and steve can be nerfed to (a laundry list of nerfs that need to be done to steve, but for now lets say he can’t place blocks off stage and they’re weaker so opponents can break through easier)
@@shaghilathar3588 Honestly, the lack of whifflag on Kazuya's moves is what annoys me most. In Tekken, whiffing is at least five times worse than getting blocked. But what moves (forget forward tilt exists) have really high whifflag on him? I'm pretty sure none
@@xenocross6597 Tons. I'm disregarding smash attacks but roundhouse, hellsweep,even flash punch combo and simple jabs are easily whiff punishable , even from range. This isn't even mentioning that most of his moves can simply be outranged or interrupted. Dragon uppercut is a free punish , as is down air, regular god fist and heavens door
@@xenocross6597 bro it’s ok to say you don’t know the character lol, EWGF is fast and has invincibility but is not lag less at all. Been punishing that move for awhile now
Despite menu select being my single favorite move in the game, I wouldn't call Hero broken per say. He's too reliant on certain things going right, but I'll admit he's given me by far the most laughs and "NO WAY" moments I've ever had playing any game. Seriously, that moment when you land a thwack and kill someone at 15% has grounds for being the highlight of your day.
I still not over how we live in a timeline where Minecraft Steve is not only in Smash but is also universal considered the most broken character in the game.
Many of these combos can be di’d out of with some practice; you learn a lot of how these 0-death combos work and how to tell when you need to start working on it. I’m not saying the game is perfect; by no means is it perfect. Watching plenty of tournaments, you’ll see players try to use these combos and it just doesn’t work out. Definitely sucks if you’re newer playing in onlines; the learning curve isn’t fun, but what fighting game truly is fun from the start?
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Hi everyone! Thanks for 100K views! When I first made this video, I wasn’t even expecting to get a tiny percentage of that! All these comments have made my day.
A few misconceptions I want to talk about:
- The reason why some moves / characters aren’t in this video is because I wanted to limit it to 10 minutes. I can assure you that I do think Pyra / Mythra are “broken” too lol
- I know a version of the Luigi 0-to-Death was patched early, but I’m referring to the specific combo shown in the video that has existed for about 4 years
- Kazuya Mishima
Thanks again for watching :)
Deserved,pretty cool pretty nice
I thought of Aegis as well but Kazuya and Steve are certainly causing more buzz;so you know.
watched this when it had like 600 views (around 3 days when it came out) crazy how much it grown over the week
Can you add the sources to the songs (specifically the steve section?)
Ngl, Steve & Kazuya are obnoxious, but even if that is the case, I can still have fun combo-fooding them with Pikachu or Pichu. Believe me. When I say that spiking them with the D-Air, Thunder-blasting them off-stage, or just spamming B-Air for HILARIOUS combos is a pallete cleanser, *I MEAN IT.* -That's why those two are the best in the game, anyway(Fight me, if you think otherwise.).-
y no joker or mrya mythra
Steve is alot like S4 Cloud. If you approach him, he wins. If you don’t approach him, he wins
He's supposed to be weak to rushdown characters, but a lot of characters who lose to him are are rushdown characters.
Hes sm4sh cloud with Bayonetta combos
I mean, Sonic can deal with him pretty well.....and I'd rather have a speedy hog than a game breaking character
Mining=Limit Charge
But he can actually prevent you from getting to him with blocks which is worse.
What you have to do is annoy him into using all of his iron, and then you win.
The fact that neither Steve or Kazuya really got patched before the end to reduce SOME of their wonkyness is what baffles me to this day.
the balancing team eats glue, that's why.
I mean it's extra reason for people to buy the DLC lol
@@pokemonduckim pretty sure steve was considered as a B tier character before the development end.
This man basically said what we are all thinking about smash ultimate in one nice video. The worst part is, none of these characters are going to get nerfed because there are no more patches for smash ultimate.
They don't need to. All of these moves have counter play and the characters aren't absurd :)
@@shellytonz2856 if the moves shown here had very good counter play THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE. BRUH
@@shellytonz2856 everything technically has “counterplay”, but you do realize the person using the busted characters can use counterplay against the counterplay, right? So if they have a lot more strong options to use then the opponent has to be a lot luckier in their predictions and/or much more careful which still results in a big advantage for the player using the broken character. In steve’s case you can do stuff to get around his blocks but it’s such an uphill battle that puts so much urgency on you to attack a character who has tons of trapping moves and with kazuya it’s to be absurdly cautious about actually playing the game, which is poor design and not enjoyable.
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 When a ton of characters can outrange Kazuya and most people already play with those styles he's easy to beat. Rushdown characters can speed blitz him and long range characters can out zone him
Play Neutral. Just literally get used the characters ong.
As a Tekken player:
He's your problem now.
What the hell does that mean? Isn't he, like, just the alright starting character in Tekken?!
@@ED-gw9rg kazuya is NOT a beginner character in tekken
@@jeje_705 He's a hard character, and yes, i play Tekken and i still strugglin with EWGF
@@ED-gw9rgLmao not at all, one of the hardest characters even.
Akuma in tekken 7
Steve looks absurd to actually fight, but looking in from outside, him being this ridiculous looks hilarious to watch
We need more funny characters
5:54 Steve segment for me and the other Steve lovers
He's an incredibly fun party game and really cemented the fact that ultimate is the least competitive smash game, add the insane lag and input buffer and you know just play this game for fun, dont try to play it seriously like the others.
I love Steve he looks so fun
@@thechugg4372 Brawl and Sm4sh exists
Although Smash Ultimate has caused a lot of frustration in my life (Quickplay, losing to disjoints as a Jigglypuff main, etc), this is still one of my favorite games of all time.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Jigglypuff main... I understand you... My poor Jigglypuff just can't hit elite 😂
I hate myself for loving this game so much, 2.5k hours and man do I sometimes wish I saved those 😂
For me it was smash four and honestly I can see how Bayonetta contributed to this wack gameplay of ultimate
As a pt main I partially agree with the disjoint thing, and even if I suck I still love the game too :)
"Luigi wins by doing nothing"
Now what happens if he does do something
Time comes to a stop, the entire universe vanishes in an instant, and Luigi is the supreme ruler of all 69 universes
And all 420 realms
You get 2:20 - 2:53
If SSBU has vergil, im 101% sure there would be an entire section dedicated to him 💀
marvel vs capcom... i think i have ptsd
Kirby and Sephiroth have proven that even if the character is super OP in their own game, they won't necessarily be in Smash.
Umvc3 flashbacks.
I think Kazuya has the exact same issues that Bayo had in Smash 4, which is the fact that they feel *exactly* out of their original game.
Which ordinarily, wouldn't be bad!
It's bad when it comes to Tekken, a game known for it's high skill ceiling, but high reward system (And it's been made slightly easier for smash purposes, iirc EWGF is no longer frame perfect)
Or Bayo, who came from a character action game, a genre known for just basically being "Blend your enemies into a fine paste."
Not to mention the justification some people give is "but Kazuya's disadvantage is bad." My memory of smash 4 bayo is kinda fuzzy but wasn't that cited as a bayo weakness and a defense for her?
(Bonus points for the fact that Pyra & Mythra are like S4 cloud, their only real weakness is recovery)
I thought that ewgf was frame perfect, how long do you have?
@@Aiden-eq2sk acording to smash wiki, 12
Correction, that's standard wgf, an ewgf is 3 frames
@@popdude7315it’s 2 frames
2:33 small correction: this WAS actually patched once, that patch is the reason the combo ends in up-air up-b instead of d-air up-b
so basically it was a nothing patch, but there was an attempt to patch it
It still is there, which was the point. However, he missed 2 crucial parts to his 0td: SDI (to very little surprise), and damaging yourself. If you can damage yourself with your own kit or using Luigi's fireballs, you can put yourself above 0td percent, and his combos weakness a decent bit
@@survivorofthecurse717 I personally try and throw him offstage and then intentionally get hit by his side-b as he tries to recover.
They nerfed it at the beginning and Luigi mains immediately found a workaround and they never tried again lol
I wonder what a spike on stage dair would have done for luigis combos in the future, we never got to see because it was patched out so fast
Lets be honest. What the hell would luigi do without it
but tbh Luigi is shit without It so he can keep It
I do like how Steve's combos are truly based on the creativity and imagination of the player. it represents minecraft as whole rather well (even if it is broken)
That's one way to think about
Your making me see a wider view of Steve
@@Oreca2005 now imagine an online steve duo who both are good at playing as steve and have good communication and coordination. What I imagine is someone breaking there switch afterwards.
@@pip3169 I'd rather be amused on how well they played instead
Its more so place block grab or just spam jab. The the of the kit hits uneccisarily hard
@@Moooniemoon yeah but if you are willing to put in the effort/get lucky then you could actually pull it off
Steve makes the whole rest of the game look balanced and thoroughly thought out
Fr I don’t play ultimate anymore but having a projectile command grab is a bit crazy. Plus no lag landing on blocks, plus that disgusting back throw into a block… what were the devs thinking
placing blocks in the AIR.
@@nubunto so much of the bullcrap wouldn't exist if Steve was _more_ faithful to his game (surprisingly; usually it's the opposite). The fact that you have a character that can place terrain anywhere just like Minecraft but in a fighting game is wild enough on its own, but at least in Minecraft you couldn't place blocks on top of freaking air.
He shouldn't be able to just stop himself from falling by placing a block midair, or easily backthrow an opponent into the _bottom_ blast zone with a quick midair block. He should have to at least work for it by creating structures from the _ground_ up, so to speak.
@@k-leb4671 heavy agree
@@k-leb4671They would've done that if they wanted him to be boring or cost $0
One thing I think a lot of people overlook is that, yes it is very upsetting to play AGAINST most characters (every character). But it's also very fun to play YOUR character.
Translation: it's fun to win and I don't care if you hate me.
@@redshepherd32 same lmao
I wish I could have fun playing Doc if I didn't get T-Bagged after getting edge guarded.
@@Thelowestofthelowtiers I play Mac and incineroar and doc so its 3 times as bad for me
Definitely plays rob and/or Kazuya and/or steve
I'm very pleased that you're following the spirit of Heeew after his hiatus.
i only use steve to troll. it makes the game sooo hilarious
Hey Angel. I diagnose you with skill issue
@@picklemorty2826 look Rick! I turned myself into a pickle! It’s me, pickle Morty!
I'm not good enough to play him the cool way :(
But I love him
Appropriate. Steve always felt like a troll character players use to be obnoxious and aggravate their opponents.
@@riotron1026 > builds a fourth battlefield platform
> uses it to tech chase your ass
> wins set
> refuses to elaborate
aegis dodging the “broken and OP” allegations 😭😭
amazing video!!
Oops.
Pythra is a dumb character. But Steve is worse because he is basically playing a different game from most of the cast.
FORESIGHT
Here the thing with Pythra, alright?
She’s really good, this is no suprise. Glorious combos with Mythra, and early kills with Pyra.
But. Pythra isn’t broken in the same way that Kazuya and Steve is. Kazuya and Steve don’t really have many weaknesses. They are good in almost everything, from combos, to kills, to recoveries, and especially in jank.
But Pythra doesn’t really have that. She doesn’t have a gimmick nearly as insane as Kazuya and Steve’s. She simply becomes quicker but weaker, or stronger but slower.
And, Pythra also struggles with her recovery. Something that Kazuya and Steve don’t struggle with.
Basically: Kazuya and Steve’s only real weakness is the skill of the guy playing them. Pythra, however, has an actual area in the game that she struggles in.
Yeah, Pythra is kind of bullshit, sometimes. But compared to Kazuya and Steve, she isn’t all that bad.
As a part time Aegis main, its kinda cuz she has good stuff but has weaknesses. Like Pyra has high damage, Mythra has combos, and Steve has both and camping and a command grab projectile. Also unlike the best 2 characters in the game no 0-to-deaths
I greatly appreciate how this video didn't go the route of hating on DLC. The line you used at 10:35 is definitely the best mentality regarding these things. Mad respect to you, great video.
Link also has a special property, namely that he gets 90% boost to his fall speed when fast falling, which is more than the 60% boost that the majority of characters get. This is why Link, despite not having very high fall speed, has one of the best fastfalls in the game, which makes his nair that much more op
Man I gotta be honest, I just really hope Steve isn't in the next smash game. I don't know if there's ever been a character that feels worse to play against, and I experienced Brawl Meta and 4's Bayonetta.
So, Steve is worse than a character that can kill you at 0 from anywhere on stage with about an hour of pratice on training mode, and there is litterally nothing you can do about it? And a character so busted that the tier list litterally revolves around him?
That's rough.
@@CommentPositionInformer Worse to play against, they said.
He’s like sm4sh cloud in the way they force you to approach, but can also prevent you from approaching with blocks as well as putting themselves in an advantageous position because some characters are unable to approach blocks sometimes, and also has some of the fastest and strongest moves in the game, like a FRAME 11 GANON F-SMASH, for instance.
I legitimately don't believe you. Steve doesnt touch of death you, outplaying him in neutral actually leads to reward, and his "camping" is nowhere near as bad as what MK could do.
@@randomzergling Steve players be like
Fantastic job editing this! It was a lot of fun to watch
Surprised you didn't mention that R.O.B's side-B can also reflect projectiles. It's far from the best reflector but it makes life harder for zoners and gives R.O.B. a trick up his sleeve against characters with big killing projectiles (Cloud Limit Blade Beam, Hero Kafrizz, Robin Thoron, Samus, Mewtwo, etc.
Yeah but I’ve almost never seen a rob actually reflect with side b, it’s like one of the rarest usages of a reflector in the entire game
@@DragonMaster1818It isn't gonna be pulled out a lot due to how laggy it is yeah, but against the mentioned "big killing projectiles" it makes ROB better than characters without one.
I think it"s funny that link had a section about his nair being broken, RIGHT AFTER mii brawler's section even tho his nair's just as dumb if not more (pretty much does everything better than link's apart from range + grant him insane combos)
Brawler's Nair should've been mentioned. That move gave him some of the best combos in the game and is frame 3, safe on shield, spammable, and lingers for so long.
Nowhere near as safe in terms of challenging moves tho. No or very small disjoint, low priority, doesnt beat projs, if your opponent is throwing out a move unlike Links this isnt a pseudo shield in midair
Ever since Smash Ult's final DLC, they pretty much said "K, we're done". Sadly, none of these things will be fixed. Everyone and their mother in Quickplay and elsewhere will continue to abuse these things, toxicity will continue.
it’s online smash, toxicity would’ve continued even if they changed these things lmao
Still more balanced than literally every other smash title combined
@@DragonMaster1818 True, but not a high bar
Honestly, Kazuya and Steve are the top contenders for "What bs are they gonna pull this time?"
Leaning more to Steve simply because of his block, minecart and anvil mechanics...
As an inkling main, the last two mentioned in the video are slightly more easier to deal with. Online, Steve's, when they wall off players, usually leave a block empty in the middle, good for Splat bombs, and inkling has good recovery and fast air speed, it's harder to kill off stage, also inkling's forward air attack the upper hit box and can deal with Steve's Minecart (still hella hard to fight one) and inkling straight up bullies Kuzuka, being very hard to hit and able to low profile under his projectiles and use splat bomb to abuse his recovery (at least in my experiences of fight him, it varies from person to person) also splat bomb is ridiculously good
I main both Steve and Inkling. This comment... pleases me.
I played Steve for a bit and yeah I usually accidentally leave a block in the middle of the wall
Yeah I main inkling too, playing her like an agro character against Steve instead of a hit and run works pretty well
With Steve there's at least some plausible deniability with whether they expected him to be as good as he was. They obviously didn't foresee how Steve could make it impossible for you to challenge him mining, guaranteeing him diamond tools. They also probably didn't see all the other advanced techniques you could do with blocks.
With Kazuya, they KNEW what they were doing. They knew when they gave him massive hitboxes, high attack power, random invulnerability on a ton of his moves, more moves than any other character, a move that combos into everything, and on top of that, a comeback mechanic, that he was going to be top tier. They ABSOLUTELY knew.
_ROB, throwing out his forsaken beyblade death machine for the millionth time in a single match:_
Go my child, hold down the neutral
If you think Luigis entire gameplan revolves around grab and thats literally the only thing your going for, your gonna get destroyed. Luigi can hit you at any percent and still deal insane amount of damage and that can lead to a kill confirm combo or up b. Literally being near the character is bad because he has crazy fast frame data and and a up b that kills mad early. Not to mention he can literally get out of almost any combo in the game that isnt true with down b
I once saw someone say that there are three types of Luigi players in Ultimate:
-Bad (Can't do the zero to death)
-Bad (Can do the zero to death)
-Good (Can do the zero to death)
And it's actually super accurate honestly. If your gameplan soley is to fish for the zero to death, you're a bad Luigi, because your entire gameplan will fall apart the second your opponent takes too much damage and the combo stops working
@@Robbie_Haruna As a Luigi player myself it dissapoints me that the cheesy Luigi players only fish for grab and spam fair zair fireball the entire time and do nothing else. Elegant and Luugi have shown you can still combo someone without the grab
@@ohianaw and Waka
My brother is the best Luigi in Oklahoma & I can confirm this. Also his zair is wildly underrated as a spacing & neutral tool that combos into grab and other moves like dash attack
@@Robbie_Haruna this is also very true for a few other characters like Bayonetta. Knowing "the combo" is important especially because having the threat of getting carried off the top is more valuable than actually trying to do it.
I fell like the reason for these strong options is that the devs wanna make the game balanced but at the same time don’t wanna make the characters too complicated so they won’t be discouraged from getting better
Luigi being the way he is the entire games life span is probably the most insane thing I’ve seen in smash since birth
2:14 link can actually rising nair through corrin tipper f smash and then still hit corrin by drifting in
BRUH. I wish they had buffed Corrin in a significant way.
I find it funny that, even before the end of Smash Ultimate's lifespan, the strongest character in the game by *far* is... Steve.
Not Kazuya, the character plagued with obscene moves from his 3D title.
Not Pyra and Mythra, the tag-team duo with great speed and kill power combined into one.
Not Palutena, the versatile goddess with tools for basically everything.
Not ROB, despite how easy he is to play and how powerful his simple stuff is.
Not even Pikachu, the dedicated (at least) high-tier character because of his archetype.
It's Steve.
The block man with an absurd amount of jank. The Lego figure with grounded aerials and instant ledge kills. The ugly duckling that became the swan once he learned how to land.
Steve.
It's fucking Steve.
Everyone already figured that out, but honestly the fact that frickin Steve from Minecraft as the meta in smash ultimate is hilarious to me imo.
Sakurai LOVES his minecraft man
it *could* be Sonic if fully optimized, but yeah it’s probably Steve
We live in a world where Minecraft Steve is higher tier than Akuma and Vergil in their respective games.
i'd get into ultimate... if:
-Online wasn't so expensive
-Had a netcode that was ANY better than 12 frames of delay by default
-buffed ridley (and everyone in d tier)
Online really isn’t that expensive but tbf it definitely isn’t worth their shitty connection speed
3:00 I wouldn't have died there
joe
that’s crazy
It was pretty bad DI
It’s not really a choice when you’re Cloud against Min Min at ledge
Since cloud has a bad recovery
EWGF is so busted as a move....that it turns your shield off lol
but don't be fooled lol, it also does immense shield damage, so you can't go back into your shield
In tekken, the EWGF has a push back effect on block. Looks weird in smash tho
The outro aged like fine milk
why
@@literallynotanyone Steve mainly got banned in a lot of tournaments at the time due to an exploit of him being able to cancel all knock-back done to him via multi hit attacks. Some examples being infinite jabs, cloud's side smash, pit's side smash... Etcetera. It was easy as hell to do as well, just mashing dodge and as long as he wasn't touching the floor he got an insta air dodge and an instant reversal.
You weren't finished with Luigi
1)Has so many kill combos and high damage combos
2) Really good at converting hits
3) Good frame data
4) Has good mid-range projectiles, has a huge disjointed grab
5) Has a frame 8 whiff-punish tool that kills super early and is 6 frames in the air
6) But must of all, on top of all that, he has frame 1 invincible, frame 4 startup reversal in the air
Does Luigi have any weaknesses aside from his recovery only being slightly better than that of Little Mac?
The Steve bit hurts to watch. No character should have that strong of buttons with a force approach mechanic.
at least steve being the best character in the game is funny, with kazuya it’s just straight up unfair, if i get combo’d by steve that’s the funniest thing ever, if i get combo’d by kazuya it’s just “oh wow. 200% in 5 seconds. ok”
@@thepsycheduck it’s not funny to people who actually compete
@@draymondstreamz8268 skill issue
@@thepsycheduck would love to compare results lmk
@@draymondstreamz8268 how to tell someone you're cocky without telling someone you're cocky
i don't play competitive dumbass, i just take out my popcorn and watch #stevesweep
out of all the heeew inspired broken videos this one felt the closest to an actual heeew video. stellar job dude
10:19 until you match with any steve and then the fun vanishes faster than my father
Nah u tripping
a couple moves that I wanna mention that are also super broken :0
-Steve's Up Tilt is fast, lagless, is a great anti air, and combos into practically everything. Up tilt is the exact same thing.
-Sephiroth's Forward Tilt is HUGE and can function as both a spacing tool, an anti air, and a 2-framing option. Better than the belmonts in almost every conceivable way.
-Jigglypuff Forward Throw sends people at a horrible angle, often forcing them to burn an option, which Jigglypuff loves to take advantage of. Some characters just die at 0 off a forward throw edgeguard.
-Samus and Dark Samus's Charge Shot is extremely overcentralizing and can do just about anything. It zones, it combos, and it kills. Samus players can pressure just by charging it up.
-Mii Gunner's Grenade Launcher is a disgusting ledgetrapping tool that is insanely easy to use and doesn't require much forethought. Does great damage and kills, sometimes you just can't get off the ledge against Mii Gunner.
Awesome video regardless!! :0
Sora's Back Air is also crazy fast and deals alot of damage
Okay we Jigglypuff mains deserve at least one good thing
@@Aurora-tj8ls I think puff is pretty good (i main puff) but he can only play close range so swordies and campers are so good against him
@@corrin813 don't you mean his up-air?
@@corrin813 it’s frame 13. His up air and nair are insane tho
As a Young Link main. Kazuya gives me FITS 😑. Like, the man is solid at everything AND invincible at times??? Literally counters my whole strategy smh. I respect Steve players.
Awesome video honestly I agreed with a lot of the points made in the video, however I still feel like pyra and mythra could join steve and kazuya. But still great video and I love the editing style tbh
As obnoxious and easy mode it is for pythra. They are still playing a similar game to you. While Steve and kazuya are playing something entirely different from you. Which is why, even if pythra is arguably top 3, Steve is worse because he is just allowed to play his game and you can't stop him.
@@redshepherd32 i wouldn't call it easy mode, they have crazy strong tools but mythra's buttons are very committal, you can't just throw them out and phone it in a week in advance and think it'll pay off
@@armorparade Mythra is one of the hardest characters to punish because her moves are disjointed with insane frame data, and if you get hit by one attack, she’s able to convert that into strings. If anything, Pyras the one with committal moves.
"Steve's combo routes are virtually endless"
I mean, minecraft is a virtually endless game, so I guess it fits
Ayo sick vod
Great video. You captured Heeew’s style very faithfully.
7:49 oh, so like 1.8 pvp?
this man saw that heeew doesn’t post anymore and said “fine, i’ll do it myself”
Steve being arguably the strongest character in the game.. kinda makes sense considering what he's capable of
Comments like these are so cringe wtf are you on about. Lore? Kirby and sephiroth clear yet they aren't broken
@@davidc. and I’d say the same about them if they were.
@@davidc.Steve would win with creative mode though
@@davidc. it's not that deep lil bro
For some reason @10:31, Steve from Minecraft in my head became the British guy from Tekken
Comeback mechanics in general are a terrible idea in smash. I love Terry and he was one of my most wanted characters ever but who was the genius who thought giving him infinite supers would be balanced? In other fightning games comeback mechanics make sense cause they are universal (and sometimes even then they can be a pain in the ass for example the comeback Ultra combo in SF4, they give you a reversal move that deals almost 50% damage for losing) in smash though it depends in your character and each one has their own rules (Kazuya loses his if he misses too much or if he gets hit enough but Terry can take your 3 stocks out of Power Geysers). I love this game but I wouldn't play it competitively to save my life
Overall a very good video! My main gripes come in the Kazuya section, where you showed off untrue combos (which is understandable given that his combos are hard) and that you didn’t list all his moves that comboed into electric, overall still quite a good watch though :)
This video required me to learn a lot about Kazuya and it was fun! I know some combos I did were close strings, but thank you for the feedback
the combo counter doesnt always show that kazuyas electric combos are true, but they still are. Just an issue with training mode
@@charlieallen710 Oh no I know, I’ve labbed this character quite a bit and I know he can get some stupid stuff but some of the combos did seem quite iffy to me
the in game combo counter is broken and also doesn't account for the fact that most characters have a frame 3 airdodge
Ganondorf Nair is shown as being untrue into eachother in training mode.
I always enjoy watching Heeew content. Even if it wasn't actually made by heeew. It would be interesting to see this style expanded to more than just fighting games too.
Look up "Kid Icarus Uprising 3DS Is Broken."
kazuya on online quickmatches always gets my blood pressure up....he is menace
When i heard
*"Kazuya"*
A chill ran down my spine
Like how you demonstrated "Gates of Hell" on little mac cause its told if he gets hit by that he might as well SD cause theres NO WAY for him to get back up
Steve in a vacuum is one of the coolest fighting characters with so much creativity. Its just sucks that it is so unmatched by everyone else and that makes it so annoying to fight. However just being one of the best characters is not grounds for a ban. I'm not saying that they should never be banned because as you said, the meta is always changing so who knows if we do end up with some game breaking discoveries with Steve or any other character for that matter. As of right now though I really don't think they should be banned.
"character is unmatched"
"is one of the best"
........
"But we haven't found anything game breaking so we shouldn't ban :P"
Bruh, are you hearing yourself. It's people like you that just make me want to ban this character more. No amount of discoveries in counterplay is gonna drastically close the gap with this character. And is only gonna give Steve more time to adapt.
Counterpoint: Steve is a cool and flexible character in a game where most characters are one-note and restricted, so we should keep him around. People say Steve is unfun to watch but he's dynamic and interesting in a way Luigi, Kazuya, Rob, any of the other 0-deatehrs or top tiers aren't. At least he CAN do stuff.
@@docs.a.t.7161
Giving a character too much is also an issue. Trying to justify it's existence by downplaying everyone else isn't an actual argument.
@@redshepherd32 wouldn’t giving Steve players time to adapt to counter play help strengthen ban efforts? Like I don’t agree with the people that are vehemently against the idea of banning him but if people do discover counterplay only for Steve players ending up just finding a way around it regardless, wouldn’t that help convince people of a need to ban him compared to now where it’s such a polarizing topic that the idea of a ban is unlikely?
@@markercrayon457
Well yeah, that's the general idea. I would rather the ban happen sooner than later. Even if Steve is the only character to be banned. Which I think is ultimately fair. Even characters with just as much influence like kazuya and pythra I could at least see people working around eventually.
I've just been "yeah that's what they do, that's not broken" with this whole vid mostly. What's really crappy in my mind isn't that the high tiers are good it's that the low tiers are crap. Give the bad characters some more redeeming qualities for their huge weaknesses!
First up, you have to realize that even though many play the game competitively, it was never designed to be. The "redeeming qualities" are there, but not exactly in one on one, for example. Others are just bad by default: Ganon is big, slow, and has no way to approach. Mac is Mac (and rightfully so).
Secondly, the redeeming qualities could severely wreck the system if not done correctly, or even done at all. Also, if you say that rage drive isn't broken, there will be a few problems. Yes, you can kill him before 100, yes, he does have a bad disadvantage, but if you can't capitalize off of that or the opponent adapts, well...
Just some food for thought
Okay but the high damage output and aight gg situations you get with the top tiers shouldn't be lowered? Cause idk about you but I like matches to last some length of time instead of I got hit now I'm half dead or got tod.
Yeah dedede hits like a truck but the poor penguin is so fat and slow he can't respond to a lot of things
he gets bullied easily especially with stuff that a lot of people consider ""lame tactics"""
He also gets bigger and easier to hit when he does certain animations.
You could play yoshi against him do the regular yoshi stuff and then run away or camp while dedede tries to figure out how to approach without getting hit
Too much
@@peluquin98 I just wish they made d3 nair hitbox not be like half of his hurtbox lol.
It would be a decent move otherwise.
the bad characters have redeeming qualities being movesets nobody is familiar with💀 like villager which is why i used him a lot last time i played the game
Small correction from a Link main: Link's nair is not minimum -3 on shield. UFD or Kurogane Hammer give the safe on shield value frames for aerials assuming that you immediately hit the ground and enter landing lag after hitting a shield, whereas this is typically not easy to pull off for any character. For every frame you remain airborne after hitting a shield, you lose that many frames of safeness. For sweetspot nair, this is negligible. However, for soft nair, this typically makes the move unsafe if not spaced, depending on how tall the opponent is. You can potentially get away with it against Pichu, Kirby, and the like, but Marth can grab you for it 9 times out of 10 unless you spotdodge. Gimr's video "ONE FRAME" is a similar phenomena to this.
Not implying it's not broken though. It is dumb. I love it.
Smash developers trying not to give brawler a broken up b every game impossible challenge
Towards the end of playing smash bros regularly, I almost stopped playing all together because of Kazuya. Even if you know how to fight him, it's not fun at all, because the only thing you can really do is try to camp him out so he moves first and leaves himself open.
Fighter pass 2 in general reaaaaallly deters me from picking smash back up. Doesn't help that I really like rivals of aether but I'm not that good at it
Another broken Kazuya attack is that one move that is like a EGWF but stronger, strangest hitbox I ever seen, hitting from really below.
Another op thing most don't know is that Shulk F Smash with Smash Monado can kill at 29% and Up Smash Buster Monado can break shields if charged, was glorious to see.
As a fellow Link main myself. I have no shame in truly admitting that his Nair is indeed broken OP.
He needs it after all.
2:32 "has never been patched"
wasn't there a patch where the old combo no longer worked but it was immediately replaced with the new dair > up-air > dair > up-air combo?
I could be misremembering though
I think Steve's kit being so versatile and dynamic is a good thing; it makes combos extremely creative and often requires foresight and setup, allowing him to have arguably the highest skill ceiling in the game. The problem arises not from his gimmicks in a vacuum, but the fact that he has such powerful tools paired with an already decent kit. If you took away Steve's blocks, he would still be a mid tier, and that is too strong for a character with such powerful options
i’ve never seen a steve really be creative though. they all do the same shit over and over again.
@@trublood1117just like in the original game!
I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. It doesn’t matter how good ewgf is if I can’t do the input because I’m bad
9:00 I love playing smash....
2:20 I like how every patch that tried nerfing the combo still is the same every time
Link had his chain mail leg armor made just like the Hyland shield
Here's a stupid combo I learned with Kazuya - super easy to perform and is a 100% guaranteed 0-death with over half of the smash roster. One thing to note, use this move on the edge of the platform in battlefield (both variants) and final destination. I have no idea how many spots on different maps will 100% work with this trick, but I do know, if you are on a map such as Wii Fit Trainer's, you should be able to perform this trick near one of the edges of the map for a zero to death.
Ok, First, you need to face the direction you want to throw your opponent into. Second, use the side special (Devil Fist) on the opponent. Third, use the tripping attack (Stature Smash) while the stun animation is in play. Finally, use the alternative grab attack (Gates of Hell) while the opponent is in the tripped animation. This should deal a hefty amount of damage, and successfully throw the opponent off the edge, most probably instantly kill them, (Or just in general, throw them, if your not on the maps I suggested above).
What I normally do after this, is spam neutral special (Devil Blaster) tilted downward to, as I like to call it, jump guard the opponent, when I use this on maps like final destination and such. You don't need to 'Jump guard' them if they have horrible recovery, like little mac, who will 100% die every time, but for characters with far better recovery whom could make it back to the ledge, you will need to jump guard. I will say, Jiggly puff Is one of the few who will make it past the jump guard and recover almost every time. If the initial throw doesn't work, it can be extremely difficult to successfully make it to the platform having to time your jumps.
3:20 valid response tbh
Definitely see you become a huge figure in the smash community you keep the work up. This only your third video and its that well scripted and edited, prop’s honestly. Definitely got sub off this video 10/10
I remember watching the first one of your ultimate is broken videos. Looking back those characters seem tame compared to what we have now LOL
Great vid, I was actually planning on making this myself and calling it “Smash Ultimate is Broken 2.5” as soon as Christmas rolled around and I didn’t have to worry about school, but I guess you beat me to it. I still have the script in case you want to use it for a sequel to this one since I’ll probably be too burnt out to do it :).
To be fair it is really hard to pull off kazuya o-deaths consistently
1:29 thrust uppercut music sync was godly and I'm mad I couldn't find anyone else mention it 😢
I love how peach and daisy weren’t on here yet they’re still very much op
The brokenness of Ultimate is a lot more difficult and entertaining than in other games.
No lmao
0:58 As a GNW main who has used up-smash as my first attack in countless matches, I can confirm this beyond all doubt.
surprised you didn’t mention terrys stagnant GO! after 100% and how it can be combo’d into along with the crazy hitboxes/damage
GO is insane, but people don't tend to complain much about it since Terry's an otherwise mostly inoffensive character. He's definitely really good, but in a relatively balanced way.
@@juniperrodley9843 that’s a better way to think about it, I’ve just seen Riddles jab or dtilt people and it leads to either 80% or death
@@oscar5012 Yup, same. I wonder, would GO actually be that strong if Terry didn't have arguably the best jab in the game?
That was in my list of things to include but I shortened it to a 10 min video. Maybe part 2 lol
@@juniperrodley9843 Yeah. Kazuya is unbalanced because he's min-maxed. Terry is better because he isn't, and more balanced for it
Wow, its really cool they implemented creative mode in smash with the NILs
Let's not forget how it's possible to end hitlag and cancel spikes with Steve.
I mean cancel spikes is useless because the only way to do it is by knowing your opponent will spike you, but if you know that, why would you not choose a better option?
My main is Mr game and watch . Soon as a match is about to start. Other players just quit . I used to hate playing against him so I just learned to use him
To this day. I still fully believe that all developers for every platform fighting game have a massive foot fetish. Because there is no reason why all these kicks, or literally just sticking your foot forward for a long time, are beating projectiles, swords, etc.
Fun fact: Link's neutral air is called "the sex kick." Many characters have it.
Bro for a moment I thought Heeew uploaded again, cool that you gave the shoutout and thanks for keeping this series alive for him
Another great game ruined by money. It's basically pay to win at this point. At least Melee's broken moves were unintentional.
Not really smash ultimate is still great and it's arguably the most balanced smash game. I'm positively sure that smash isn't meant to be played competitively it's a party game after all also ruined by money It would imply the game is terrible and bad the video isn't made to show that ultimate is a bad game because of two dlc characters it's still a great game even if there are two op characters
It's not ruined though. Sure most dlc characters are op but the game is still even if there are 2 op characters
It's not intentional here either, I'm sure if they still updated the game more balancing would come
How to avoid these attacks and abilities
R.O.B.'s side special: stay as far away from R.O.B. when you think he's going to go for it.
Mr. Game & Watch's up smash: find a high enough semisolid platform. The best you can hope for is that he won't go for the up special.
Mii Brawler's Thrust Uppercut: try shielding and quickly dodging the Mii Brawler if he tries grabbing you. Also, avoid semisolid platforms.
Link's Nair: just run as far away from Link until he stops. Also, avoid shooting projectiles at Link, especially if they can be charged.
Luigi's 0-to-death: pick a range character like Samus and Mii Gunner and keep your distance.
Ram Ram: pick a character that is either really agile, really fast or has multiple jumps. Fox, Sonic and Kirby are preferable.
Electric Wind God Fist: same advice as Ram Ram. Just pick Kirby or Sonic and you can outrun/outjump this attack.
Kazuya command input throw: pick a range character and stay as far away from the attack as possible if you think he's going to do it.
(Even if he's on the edge)
Rage Drive: pick a character with an easy to perform 0-to-death combo that doesn't involve inflicting 100% damage onto Kazuya.
Kazuya Command Grab: pick a character that can jump high or has more than one double jump.
Steve blocks: navigate through and/or break them shortly after they appear (preferably with a strong character like Bowser).
Mine: pressure Steve into not mining as often, preferably by faking a devastating combo. This would give him less materials to work with.
All of Steve's grounded moves: establish some space between you and Steve, and 8 to 9 out of 10 times, you're good.
Back throw into Block: avoid Steve's fishing hook at all costs.
Jab Strings: avoid Steve's frontside at all costs. Attack him from the back if you need to.
Steve's TNT: use Pac-Man's hydrant or use a charged shot to push it towards Steve. Alternatively, trigger the button that sets off the TNT.
Steve's Minecart: quickly run away from it. If you can't, jump over it. Also, don't get too close to Steve. I can't say that enough at this point.
Diamond Tools: prevent Steve from mining a diamond. If that doesn't work, destroy his crafting table to prevent him from using the diamond.
If that doesn't work, avoid Steve's Diamond Tools at all costs.
NIL: get Steve to run out of block materials.
Also, about that Steve & Kazuya being banned thing. I understand the importance of the ban. I think we should keep the bans in the major tournaments. In the meantime, we should try finding weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya's moves. Once we found enough weaknesses, a lift on the ban can be consider. It's going to be hard to find weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya, but I'm sure it'll all pay off in the end. We just have to lab as certain characters and hope for the best. The best being that Steve & Kazuya end up fighting each other or if they encounter a ditto fight.
although kazuya and steve are broken in there own ways they shouldnt be banned its nothing like bayo or meta knight were the only way to win is play them and there was 0 counter play. kazuya has boken combos but his nuetral so bad that he balances out alot
Imma be honest, i have 0 clue what the counterplay for Steve is, that character definitely gives Meta Knight vibes
Steve is dumb, hes definitely the closest thing to the broken tiers from past games, hes just ridiculous and it will only get worse as the top players find more and more new techs with him.
This was amazing you’re amazing at smash especially steve. I subscribed! 👍
This is honestly why i think nintendo shouldn’t of stopped the patches so quickly, because stuff like EWGF and steve in general need to be toned down imo.
I dont think they should’ve had sakurai work on the game longer obviously, he deserves a break, but there should still be a balance steam team so stuff like electric wind god fist can be nerfed (making it have more lag on whiff/shield, lessing kazuyas ability to confirm into it, etc), and steve can be nerfed to (a laundry list of nerfs that need to be done to steve, but for now lets say he can’t place blocks off stage and they’re weaker so opponents can break through easier)
Ewgf is meant to have good shield pressure and whiff recovery
@@shaghilathar3588 Honestly, the lack of whifflag on Kazuya's moves is what annoys me most. In Tekken, whiffing is at least five times worse than getting blocked. But what moves (forget forward tilt exists) have really high whifflag on him? I'm pretty sure none
@@xenocross6597 Tons. I'm disregarding smash attacks but roundhouse, hellsweep,even flash punch combo and simple jabs are easily whiff punishable , even from range. This isn't even mentioning that most of his moves can simply be outranged or interrupted.
Dragon uppercut is a free punish , as is down air, regular god fist and heavens door
@@xenocross6597 bro it’s ok to say you don’t know the character lol, EWGF is fast and has invincibility but is not lag less at all. Been punishing that move for awhile now
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 I don't know the character very well lol. But I've yet to see EWGF be whiff punished by anything slower than frame 12
Hey bro.....pls do another video that is similar to this one. Absolutely spitting out facts out here man!
I am shocked Hero was not mentioned once considering he is the 4th if not 3rd most broken character
He’s B tier at best.
A lot of that though comes down to RNG though with his magic abilities, which in most cases don't make him absurdly broken.
Despite menu select being my single favorite move in the game, I wouldn't call Hero broken per say. He's too reliant on certain things going right, but I'll admit he's given me by far the most laughs and "NO WAY" moments I've ever had playing any game.
Seriously, that moment when you land a thwack and kill someone at 15% has grounds for being the highlight of your day.
No risk, high reward is everything in this entire game, spindash is plus on parry
Sidenote, goodluck adapting to god
4:45 Please tell me this isn't true
The fact that Minecraft Steve is so hilariously broken will never not be funny to me
I get Heeew vibes and i like it.
I still not over how we live in a timeline where Minecraft Steve is not only in Smash but is also universal considered the most broken character in the game.
Many of these combos can be di’d out of with some practice; you learn a lot of how these 0-death combos work and how to tell when you need to start working on it. I’m not saying the game is perfect; by no means is it perfect. Watching plenty of tournaments, you’ll see players try to use these combos and it just doesn’t work out. Definitely sucks if you’re newer playing in onlines; the learning curve isn’t fun, but what fighting game truly is fun from the start?
Close enough, welcome back Heeew