I'd say he's an incel/blackpiller and this isn't going to get him laid either so he'll hate the hosts for that just like he hates his mother for not giving him sex. Yes, the majority of them actually think this way... they are absolutely fucked in the head.
women don't work hard? does he mean the woman who works an 8 hr day and goes home to do the housework and childcare? or the female nurse who works 12 hr shifts ? or the woman who spends 20 hours in labor and delivery of a baby? how about the women in the military in a war zone?
It's telling that Jay refers to Alice by calling her "she" rather than using her name. It's almost as if Jay doesn't recognize her as an equal participant in the discussion. 🤔
just about to start the call (forgive my ignorance) but I wonder if this is the same Jay that calls Mandisa a liar, or the guy who refers to Shannon Q as "what's her name"
I love how the expectation for the man is “die for your wife”, a situation that almost nobody will EVER be in, and then the woman is commanded to do everything else.
Plus think of all the women that die by, albeit not "for", their husbands, around the world. I guess they die FOR the men, from the men's pov - they have to sacrifice them for their own ego...
I'd say Alice is a worthy successor of Tracie Harris. We should all be thankful that Tracie lasted so long, and she's still on cyberspace, if you need her. Good luck, Alice, I'm looking forward to more of your appearances.
Jay is just an incel who is upset because no woman wants to be within 100 feet of him, and those he does approach tend to end up with restraining orders against him.
Jay cant go 15 seconds without screaming how sad something is. Man might suffer from depression at this point. By the way, Jay, 9/10 men can't change the oil in their car, let alone pull a diesel engine.
What is sad that a lot of women who do want to be a mechanic get pushed out of it because of sexism. Friend of mine was an amazing mechanic, but customers would request her not to work on their car, and many of her co workers were outright sexist towards her. And this basically led her to quit a job she loved because she didn't want to, nor should she have put up with the crap.
When a stranger starts telling you what you think and whether or not you know something... thats a problem. Lmao. But, he's the 1st one to believe lies when they're told.
When you don't vote, the Jays of the world get to decide our political leaders. Does anyone think Jay would vote for someone who wants gun law reform, or a more secular society? No, so even if you have issues with Democrats (as I do), you must vote in order to keep the Jays of the world from winning (hint, he is right now, certainly in the U.S.).
Isn't it the case (pretty sure I read it somewhere, but no idea where/how credible the source was) that nearly half of the eligible voters in that country (I'm up in Soviet Canuckistan) identify as evangelical Christians and significantly more than half of the eligible voters believe in a literal flood? If that's the case, how do you propose the rational outvote the irrational when the irrational comprise the most active voters AS WELL AS THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC?
Bigoted, essentialist ad hominem fallacies just to prop up a narraitve... Not even once... Not even to prove a point... Not even to defend the truth or moral position... Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.” "If you hate something, don't you do it too.” - Eddie Vedder "Not for You"
If Jay is at all representative of men in his field, perhaps it’s the sexist and hostile attitudes of men in those jobs which makes women not want to work them.
My best friend was a diesel mechanic at 30 and she was treated as a threat by every man in that boys club bullshit everywhere she went. They would sabotage and harass and generally F with her every chance they had. Stealing her tools, messing with her work, demeaning her technique, complaining about her “attitude”. They would either talk as crass and violent as possible around her or fall silent and refuse to speak at all then complain that they were afraid to offend and get written up when she never reported shit. She spent a decade in different places trying just to do the work and raise her kids and had to do 3 times as much while being constantly abused by every level of the male totem pole. She was pretty masculine herself and not girly but she eventually purchased lunch boxes, tools etc in pink just to stop shit from being taken because “super secure” men are scared to touch a color. She found her toolbox filled with urine, she found her hat filled with another bodily fluid - she had her own car disabled after a long shift as some “see if she can figure out how to fix it” prank when she actually needed to get home before her kids did but had to call others to help while she fixed her car in the dark rain. But yeah dude. Women are too lazy to work a real job and they could totally walk in and just take jobs easy peasy from hard working men.
Based on the evidence of his previous calls and the points he’s attempted to use, I believe that Jay gets satisfaction from being argumentative. He’s not all that concerned about being correct, he nearly always isn’t, he’s just here for the fight. I wonder if he’s this combative in real life where the other person could pop him in the mouth for being unpleasant or it’s just the relative safety of the phone call that makes him so brave?
Based on Jay's "God takes that into consideration if you've never heard about him" it is best for indigenous people to never allow missionaries anywhere near them. "Spreading the word" apparently does nobody any favors. Plug your ears and say "nah, nah, nah" if anyone tries to 'throw you under the bus' by preaching to you, thereby making you judgeable by God.
1:17 "It doesn't matter what the Bible says" The fuck it doesn't. It matters if it says that fathers can sell their daughters into slavery or to their rapists. It matters if it says nonvirgin females are to be stoned on their wedding nights. Dan should not have let Jay throw the red herring away from Biblical views of women. Whether a man can have a vagina is a different discussion. What jobs men and women do today is also (mostly) irrelevant to what the Bible says about women. That being said, denying that males and females tend to have different aptitudes, in part due to differences in physical strength, amounts to denial of reality and diminishes one's credibility..
I'm currently studying philosophy and sociology... the moment you used the word socialized, I had to respond... this is completely spot on! I grew up in Australia and currently live in NZ... historically in Aus, since colonization the women predominantly cleared land and farmed... the culture is different, which demonstrates that sex or gender had far less to do with it than culture, necessity (at any given time) or socialization... During WW2 most western countries sent men to war and women "suddenly" were able to do do the traditional male jobs... viewing women as incapable or less capable at certain activities is nonsense... raising girls to particular interests is common, but has no bearing on biology, it just demonstrates that we often pre-determine what a person's life and interests should be based on thier sexual organs... (That's not freedom)
This video has been out for a long time and I just watched it for the first time today. Never, in my life, have I heard someone as delusional as Jay. And the sad part? I don’t believe he was being dishonest at all. He TRULY believes in the filth he was spewing out. A testament to the harmful thoughts that religion can generate. Disgraceful.
I did mechanics for 2 years, at the time I was one of 3 women. We all loved working on cars. And going back further, my mom was rejected for a job at a garagd because she was a woman and 'didn't know cars' Which is bullshit
People with this mindset are the exact reason why I was told.. "you dont want to work out there, its hot and you'll be on your feet all day" (in reference to a warehouse position)...or "hey you'd be great on the register, working freight would be too demanding" Yeah people like Jay can take a long walk off a shirt pier.
About 18:30 in you can start from there... wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. Jay, "no we don't come from monkeys." 2023 and that's still chillin' in people's minds. Actually, this video was posted in 2022, but you get the point.
Jay should investigate what happened to the American workforce during WWII 🤨😏 Welding, ship building, manufacturing, automotive work, building planes etc. ALL done by women. 🇺🇸 Bud😏🤣🤣🤣
From the studies in Scandinavia where the society is more equal, woman and men tend to swing more to more stereotypically gendered rolls. The caller seems misogynistic in his views, but I do not think women are choosing not to go into welding because of any biblical stereotypes, it's because in general woman just do not want to do that job, just like in general men do not want to be nurses or make-up artists, it's nothing to do with sexism, it's because men and women have different interests, different body types, different emotions and tastes etc. We are not the same and there is nothing wrong with that. Its only a problem when men and women do not get treated with the equal amounts of respect for whatever they choose to do.
Wasn’t there a paper invalidating this and showing that while Scandinavia has equal opportunities legally, their social opportunities are not the same. For example, there is an expectation for men to be in STEM in those countries, hence the skew for more men in STEM, even though in places like Iran (where the opportunities are definitely not equal), there are more women in STEM.
I appreciate the demeanor of the hosts. The responses to the claims of the caller were constructive and without innuendo. This is an example of useful work being done on behalf of secularism
Jay seems to miss the fact that there’s a loophole in the Bible with deathbed repentance and openly states the only thing that will not be forgiven is not believing in God, I.E Not accepting him, regardless of whether you had valid reasons for concern and doubt.
Jay is the type that give Christians a bad name not that they need any help with that but he’s so confused and utterly ridiculous in the statements that he makes.
I've run a small remodeling company for a decade. Men are typ physically stronger, and that is advantageous. Woman tend To be more deliberate and detail oriented, and that is advantageous. Men DO NOT want to work hard twelve hour days one bit more than woman. If it's true that woman are getting hired faster than Men in construction jobs is because they're asking for them. There is such a need for people to do those jobs, almost anyone with some skill can get a gig.
Hey Jay? I have read 4 separate versions of your Bible each more than once all of the way through. And not taking anything out of context your Bible is FUBAR through and through.
Some of our best drywallers and demo workers are women. I love that this is becoming more common and women feel free to work in traditionally "male" industries.
My mom works 3 gardens and a 20 tree orchard and also helps my siblings with there kids she works physical labor everyday and harder than most men I know. now yes I can lift heavier things and she will ask me when its too heavy, but that in no way limits her in any capacity!!!! Women can weld or be mechanics has nothing to do with gender and more with societal norms forced from a book that has never been substantiated. What if I want to work in sales am I not allowed to as a man? these men like Jay is so fragile he needs others to emasculate.
In both World Wars women showed that they were more than capable of doing "men's work", so much so in fact that the Unions had to force them out when those wars were finished.
Work requiring a greater physicality has traditionally been done by men, for reasons that should be obvious. The improved equality we now are getting is largely due to increased mechanisation - which has made things easier for men, too!
IF we and everything that exists is made by a god, we can not be held responsible for our actions, even when given a guide to abide by. And if this god would exist, he would certainly not have made it so that people would get into a state of reasoning that Jay finds himself in. An inventor who puts together an engine will not blame the engine for not working, that would be idiotic. So if we as imperfect beings can fail to do the job we're supposed to do according to this god and we're thrown in the pits of hell, then that would also suggest this god is not so perfect after all... Funny enough during my time as fundemantalist christian I was also convinced of a young earth, very familiar with Kevin Hovind f.e. but it was not that kind of science that made me question the faith, but rather trying to depict a fair and loving god in relation to what exists in the world today and what history tells us about humans, and then see how that depiction matches with the god of the Bible and what is said in the Bible regarding the world. The point of historians (which I am not) is to try to put oneself into the shoes of someone alive in a certain time period at a certain place in whatever hierachy one wants and try to understand the why and the how of the daily life, worldview, expectations, etc. Also because of scholars who deal with old manuscripts and papyri and palimpsest a whole different view of our past was becoming more and more clear to me which made me understand the Bible (and us) much better. That is what got me eventually out of christianity but more interested in the Abrahamic religions ironically. Religions are part of our human history and I'm convinced that we can learn a lot of ourselves through understanding what religions says about us, and thus how it might have formed. It does not mean people were stupid or gullible back then, the world was just a very different place.
Just like the Bible, the law can be misinterpreted. Especially intentionally for selfish reasons. For example, bribery is illegal. Yet, lobbying, which is essentially bribery, is legal. Another example, insider trading is illegal. Yet the ones who make the laws don't consider what they're doing to be insider trading. That doesn't mean the law is bad. It means people are twisting the law, and looking for loopholes and ways to get around the law. Also, fighting about the meanings of words in the law. All kinds of things.
@11:57 - Jay: "If society is not equal, why are they hiring women faster than they are hiring men?" Because society is, currently, not equal!! Because they are trying to offset the difference of hundreds of years of not being equal!! Do you not know how "equal" works?
great job by hosts alice is the cuttest amoeba (bunch of biological cells packed into a human) and both hit the nail right in the head to start exploring such caller claims etc...
Great question Jay. Hypothetically, what if god, heaven and hell really existed. How would i feel about trying to get people out of a sick relationship with an all powerful pathological narcissist? First off, my mind would be overwhelmed that this hell of an existence was real. If i could survive the mental death this would cause i would have no guilt in myself or others going to hell for what i believed and said. Dont blame the victim. I am not this god. I didnt hypothetically create a universe where there is no proof or evidence of its existence. I had nothing to do with creating a book of mythological insanity leading people to think an imaginary friend exists. I have always tried to live my life subscribing to my best understanding of reality that will bring the most safety and happiness to others. Fault me for that, then i am not the guilty party. You think instead i should be pushing immorality, hatred, fear, slavery, genocide and an overwhelmingly pathological narcissistic relationship with something no one can proves exists. I think someone is not thinking about the wellness of others and is pandering to their own mental illness.
This is the same guy whom forest completely destroyed in the topic of abiognenesis a few weeks ago. I see Jay is still butthurt that his pathetic belief system didnt hold up to scrutiny.
Let’s think about women and god in a different way for a change. God loves women, after all he created them. Correct. Why then is child birth excruciatingly painful and very dangerous? When it should be ecstatic? Why is menstruation uncomfortable? What about menopause? did god create all this pain, discomfort, loss of life during childbirth? Shouldn’t they be ecstatic experiences? Why does god punish women this way?
I am no way trying to b sexiest or stereotype but want to attack this guy on his twisted view.... wouldn't a home maker b working 12 plus hour days at home taking care of children and the home how the fuck wouldn't that be hard work and a long ass day in his sexiest world view
Jay is literally not intelligent enough to hold a conversation. Dude is all over the place. I was super pissed a minute ago, but now I just pity the guy. This poor dude must live such an ignorant, miserable life. I can't imagine being so twisted up over what my Bible says that I had to call in to a show with opposite ideals so I can scream at them all my frustration.
It's scary how little believers know about the outside world, and their own bible. "It's taken out of context." yeah, but show the context then, be in biblend "ignore that." or where does it say in what context it's okay. It's just a poor excuse to defend something immoral.
I love listening to Objectively Dan. This is the first time I’ve seen Alice. I hope to see more episodes/clips where she is resident. Shame they were up against such a sexist chump. 9 out of 10 men probably don’t want to work on engines or transmissions or do welding in 116 degree heat. I can do any and all of those jobs but I chose a different career. My sister can also do them but she also chose another direction. We both work hard. The guy was an idiot.
If you look at the scandanavian countries dan, they have encouraged women to do more manual labour type jobs and numbers show that women are less likely to go into that field of work when they have equal opportunity
That's not necessarily true, at least in STEM areas, and it's explainable by stronger stereotypes in egalitarian societies. You're referring to the gender-equality paradox. A lot of that's based on a paper by Stoet and Geary (2018). However, there were major empirical flaws with their study, they used unvalidated and unreported methods, it is only correlational data, the findings could not be replicated, and when they tried, they found different results. The original paper had to be corrected. Furthermore, other papers have found different explanations. Breda et al., found there was stronger gender stereotypes in more egalitarian societies. For example, stereotypes associating men with math. It's something that Jordan Peterson goes on about and is wrong about. You can tell Jordan hasn't looked very deeply into the research. Confirmation bias in action. Sees a single article that agrees with what he says, then ignores all the rebuttals and research after.
I have a secret to impart to you: given equal opportunity between manual labor and less physically strenuous professions, there aren't a lot of men that would choose the former either.
Jay is the embodiment of "no hate like christian love"
I'd say he's an incel/blackpiller and this isn't going to get him laid either so he'll hate the hosts for that just like he hates his mother for not giving him sex. Yes, the majority of them actually think this way... they are absolutely fucked in the head.
Welding in leathers and 116 degree weather....is he bragging or complaining 😂
Yes. Lol
Likely lying
women don't work hard? does he mean the woman who works an 8 hr day and goes home to do the housework and childcare? or the female nurse who works 12 hr shifts ? or the woman who spends 20 hours in labor and delivery of a baby? how about the women in the military in a war zone?
Or the 125 pound 5'2" woman works out in the gym to gain 30 pounds in muscle to be a paramedic? Which isn't exactly a walk through the garden
@@Woolnut35 I feel like your specific example is personal lmao. That sounds real tough
Jay: You're just blind to the facts!
Dan: What facts?
Jay: We could go around and around, but you're just blind...
It's telling that Jay refers to Alice by calling her "she" rather than using her name. It's almost as if Jay doesn't recognize her as an equal participant in the discussion. 🤔
Absolutely! He does it throughout the call. I wish he had gotten called out for it.
just about to start the call (forgive my ignorance) but I wonder if this is the same Jay that calls Mandisa a liar, or the guy who refers to Shannon Q as "what's her name"
@@TheSnoeedog
Possibly.
I don't think I heard those calls.
Yikes! 🥴
@@TheSnoeedogIt does seem to be the same garbage human, but I'm not 100%.
At the very least they're on the same level when it comes to misogyny.
@@TheSnoeedog. I thought I recognized this misogynistic loser’s voice. It’s definitely the same Jay.
I love how the expectation for the man is “die for your wife”, a situation that almost nobody will EVER be in, and then the woman is commanded to do everything else.
Plus think of all the women that die by, albeit not "for", their husbands, around the world. I guess they die FOR the men, from the men's pov - they have to sacrifice them for their own ego...
"Sorry to tell you bud" this guy is off his rock
Poor Jay thinks “Sorry to tell you that.” in a rude tone is equivalent to making a good point. Or any sort of point.
it blows my mind how ppl like jay can be so confident that he knows the bible better than other ppl,when in fact is the other way around🤯
It's all that welder smoke corroding his brain
I'd say Alice is a worthy successor of Tracie Harris. We should all be thankful that Tracie lasted so long, and she's still on cyberspace, if you need her. Good luck, Alice, I'm looking forward to more of your appearances.
A men, she is hot!
The point is that Jay's a misogynist bigot
Jay is just an incel who is upset because no woman wants to be within 100 feet of him, and those he does approach tend to end up with restraining orders against him.
Anybody else feel like then need to take a shower to clean off after listening to this caller?
Or talk to therapist to debrief!
Jay is absolutely living in his own ladida world.
Jay cant go 15 seconds without screaming how sad something is. Man might suffer from depression at this point.
By the way, Jay, 9/10 men can't change the oil in their car, let alone pull a diesel engine.
Yeah I was gonna' say I can't change a transmission either ...Jay would call me a woman😂
What is sad that a lot of women who do want to be a mechanic get pushed out of it because of sexism.
Friend of mine was an amazing mechanic, but customers would request her not to work on their car, and many of her co workers were outright sexist towards her. And this basically led her to quit a job she loved because she didn't want to, nor should she have put up with the crap.
Your friend should advertise as a female mechanic in a large city. Women like me get tired of being talked down to by grubby old men.
You can't help but think "has Jay ever been married?"
I know women that can weld him under the table. They are world class and win welding awards. This poor man is the blind one.
20:10 if all scientists are liars, why does technology work?
That dude fell off his tree and that tree wasn't even that high.
Several trees. The ignorance tree, the chauvinist tree, the ugly (personality) tree, the throwback theist tree...
When a stranger starts telling you what you think and whether or not you know something... thats a problem. Lmao.
But, he's the 1st one to believe lies when they're told.
When you don't vote, the Jays of the world get to decide our political leaders. Does anyone think Jay would vote for someone who wants gun law reform, or a more secular society?
No, so even if you have issues with Democrats (as I do), you must vote in order to keep the Jays of the world from winning (hint, he is right now, certainly in the U.S.).
Isn't it the case (pretty sure I read it somewhere, but no idea where/how credible the source was) that nearly half of the eligible voters in that country (I'm up in Soviet Canuckistan) identify as evangelical Christians and significantly more than half of the eligible voters believe in a literal flood? If that's the case, how do you propose the rational outvote the irrational when the irrational comprise the most active voters AS WELL AS THE LARGEST DEMOGRAPHIC?
There are plenty of atheists who don't share your political biases and would oppose the Left.
Put Jay in the Octagon with Rhoda Rousey, he needs an attitude change.
Sadly, Jay might be the best Missouri has to offer
And most of utah
No Matt dillhunty is from MO.
Bigoted, essentialist ad hominem fallacies just to prop up a narraitve... Not even once... Not even to prove a point... Not even to defend the truth or moral position...
Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
"If you hate something, don't you do it too.”
- Eddie Vedder "Not for You"
Beautiful response, Alice.
Nobody ever deserves suffering. Thinking anyone or anything deserves suffering is a delusion from the ego.
If Jay is at all representative of men in his field, perhaps it’s the sexist and hostile attitudes of men in those jobs which makes women not want to work them.
Oh, and conversations with this kind of a person can never move forward until you knock that chip off their shoulder.
9 out of 10 men in this day and age can't make mechanical repairs.
My best friend was a diesel mechanic at 30 and she was treated as a threat by every man in that boys club bullshit everywhere she went. They would sabotage and harass and generally F with her every chance they had. Stealing her tools, messing with her work, demeaning her technique, complaining about her “attitude”. They would either talk as crass and violent as possible around her or fall silent and refuse to speak at all then complain that they were afraid to offend and get written up when she never reported shit.
She spent a decade in different places trying just to do the work and raise her kids and had to do 3 times as much while being constantly abused by every level of the male totem pole.
She was pretty masculine herself and not girly but she eventually purchased lunch boxes, tools etc in pink just to stop shit from being taken because “super secure” men are scared to touch a color.
She found her toolbox filled with urine, she found her hat filled with another bodily fluid - she had her own car disabled after a long shift as some “see if she can figure out how to fix it” prank when she actually needed to get home before her kids did but had to call others to help while she fixed her car in the dark rain.
But yeah dude. Women are too lazy to work a real job and they could totally walk in and just take jobs easy peasy from hard working men.
Based on the evidence of his previous calls and the points he’s attempted to use, I believe that Jay gets satisfaction from being argumentative. He’s not all that concerned about being correct, he nearly always isn’t, he’s just here for the fight. I wonder if he’s this combative in real life where the other person could pop him in the mouth for being unpleasant or it’s just the relative safety of the phone call that makes him so brave?
The thing is, Jay is nuts 😂
Sorry to tell you bud.
Based on Jay's "God takes that into consideration if you've never heard about him" it is best for indigenous people to never allow missionaries anywhere near them. "Spreading the word" apparently does nobody any favors. Plug your ears and say "nah, nah, nah" if anyone tries to 'throw you under the bus' by preaching to you, thereby making you judgeable by God.
1:17 "It doesn't matter what the Bible says" The fuck it doesn't. It matters if it says that fathers can sell their daughters into slavery or to their rapists. It matters if it says nonvirgin females are to be stoned on their wedding nights.
Dan should not have let Jay throw the red herring away from Biblical views of women. Whether a man can have a vagina is a different discussion. What jobs men and women do today is also (mostly) irrelevant to what the Bible says about women. That being said, denying that males and females tend to have different aptitudes, in part due to differences in physical strength, amounts to denial of reality and diminishes one's credibility..
Stupidity is dangerous.
Go the extra mile for your enemy, what would you call an abusive spouse? An enemy.
The apprentice of the year for diesel mechanics in Australia has been a female for the last 5 years bud
What a 🤡
I'm currently studying philosophy and sociology... the moment you used the word socialized, I had to respond... this is completely spot on! I grew up in Australia and currently live in NZ... historically in Aus, since colonization the women predominantly cleared land and farmed... the culture is different, which demonstrates that sex or gender had far less to do with it than culture, necessity (at any given time) or socialization...
During WW2 most western countries sent men to war and women "suddenly" were able to do do the traditional male jobs... viewing women as incapable or less capable at certain activities is nonsense... raising girls to particular interests is common, but has no bearing on biology, it just demonstrates that we often pre-determine what a person's life and interests should be based on thier sexual organs...
(That's not freedom)
Evolution is a fact. The theory of evolution is all life descending from a cell. That is supported by enough evidence to believe.
This video has been out for a long time and I just watched it for the first time today. Never, in my life, have I heard someone as delusional as Jay. And the sad part? I don’t believe he was being dishonest at all. He TRULY believes in the filth he was spewing out. A testament to the harmful thoughts that religion can generate. Disgraceful.
I did mechanics for 2 years, at the time I was one of 3 women. We all loved working on cars. And going back further, my mom was rejected for a job at a garagd because she was a woman and 'didn't know cars' Which is bullshit
This chap should stick to welding and leave the rest alone
Alice's voice is so heavenly ❤
no pun intended 😂
What a simplistic and arrogant person.
People with this mindset are the exact reason why I was told.. "you dont want to work out there, its hot and you'll be on your feet all day" (in reference to a warehouse position)...or
"hey you'd be great on the register, working freight would be too demanding"
Yeah people like Jay can take a long walk off a shirt pier.
About 18:30 in you can start from there... wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. Jay, "no we don't come from monkeys." 2023 and that's still chillin' in people's minds. Actually, this video was posted in 2022, but you get the point.
Her name is not she it's Alice
For whatever reason, women don't wanna hang from power lines. That's just a fact.
Jay should investigate what happened to the American workforce during WWII 🤨😏
Welding, ship building, manufacturing, automotive work, building planes etc. ALL done by women. 🇺🇸
Bud😏🤣🤣🤣
You can't fix stupid
Whoever replied, I can't see it. 🤷♂️
He doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as my adult daughters !
If we had developed as a matriarchy, the systems and modes of the culture would conform to a woman's abilities.
This man is scary.
From the studies in Scandinavia where the society is more equal, woman and men tend to swing more to more stereotypically gendered rolls. The caller seems misogynistic in his views, but I do not think women are choosing not to go into welding because of any biblical stereotypes, it's because in general woman just do not want to do that job, just like in general men do not want to be nurses or make-up artists, it's nothing to do with sexism, it's because men and women have different interests, different body types, different emotions and tastes etc. We are not the same and there is nothing wrong with that. Its only a problem when men and women do not get treated with the equal amounts of respect for whatever they choose to do.
Wasn’t there a paper invalidating this and showing that while Scandinavia has equal opportunities legally, their social opportunities are not the same. For example, there is an expectation for men to be in STEM in those countries, hence the skew for more men in STEM, even though in places like Iran (where the opportunities are definitely not equal), there are more women in STEM.
Yay Alice is doing call-in shows.. what a great addition to the atheist call-in world. Alice you are beloved by so many.
Sorry in extremely egaletarian societies, men and women end up sorting into stereotypical categories, even more than in a place like the US
I appreciate the demeanor of the hosts. The responses to the claims of the caller were constructive and without innuendo. This is an example of useful work being done on behalf of secularism
Jay should be labeled "Non sequitur Boy".
Who does dummy think built all that stuff for WWII . Remember Rosie the Riveter?
This caller is driving me crazy.
This guy is a troll he called in a few times to both the call and the atheist experience. Always using a different name.
I wonder what horrible wrong Jay's "parents" committed, such that they would have their shame broadcast to the world....
Jay seems to miss the fact that there’s a loophole in the Bible with deathbed repentance and openly states the only thing that will not be forgiven is not believing in God, I.E Not accepting him, regardless of whether you had valid reasons for concern and doubt.
Late to this .People call into this complain about how they're not allowed to talk. The irony
That guy is rude! Going from 1 awful claim to another awful claim. Ugh.
Jay is the type that give Christians a bad name not that they need any help with that but he’s so confused and utterly ridiculous in the statements that he makes.
I've run a small remodeling company for a decade. Men are typ physically stronger, and that is advantageous. Woman tend To be more deliberate and detail oriented, and that is advantageous.
Men DO NOT want to work hard twelve hour days one bit more than woman.
If it's true that woman are getting hired faster than Men in construction jobs is because they're asking for them. There is such a need for people to do those jobs, almost anyone with some skill can get a gig.
After a long day do men go home, make dinner, clean up the dishes, bathe the children and put them to bed?
@1020kerry Yes, most men go home and participate in their household.
Hey Jay? I have read 4 separate versions of your Bible each more than once all of the way through. And not taking anything out of context your Bible is FUBAR through and through.
I wonder if Jay has studied the holy books of other religions before he rejected them?
Robots weld better than Jay. He can’t cut the muster.
Some of our best drywallers and demo workers are women. I love that this is becoming more common and women feel free to work in traditionally "male" industries.
My mom works 3 gardens and a 20 tree orchard and also helps my siblings with there kids she works physical labor everyday and harder than most men I know. now yes I can lift heavier things and she will ask me when its too heavy, but that in no way limits her in any capacity!!!! Women can weld or be mechanics has nothing to do with gender and more with societal norms forced from a book that has never been substantiated. What if I want to work in sales am I not allowed to as a man? these men like Jay is so fragile he needs others to emasculate.
In both World Wars women showed that they were more than capable of doing "men's work", so much so in fact that the Unions had to force them out when those wars were finished.
Timestamp 13:07 , you missed your chance. He literally said women aren't equal.
I will marry Alice Today. And yet I HAVE to meet and chat up "Jay's old lady
Work requiring a greater physicality has traditionally been done by men, for reasons that should be obvious. The improved equality we now are getting is largely due to increased mechanisation - which has made things easier for men, too!
Alice and Dan have way too much patience with this waste of human being!!!
Ask him if he is a coded welder and if he has ever had arc eyes has he ever have given birth to a child has he ever cared what women go though
IF we and everything that exists is made by a god, we can not be held responsible for our actions, even when given a guide to abide by. And if this god would exist, he would certainly not have made it so that people would get into a state of reasoning that Jay finds himself in.
An inventor who puts together an engine will not blame the engine for not working, that would be idiotic. So if we as imperfect beings can fail to do the job we're supposed to do according to this god and we're thrown in the pits of hell, then that would also suggest this god is not so perfect after all...
Funny enough during my time as fundemantalist christian I was also convinced of a young earth, very familiar with Kevin Hovind f.e. but it was not that kind of science that made me question the faith, but rather trying to depict a fair and loving god in relation to what exists in the world today and what history tells us about humans, and then see how that depiction matches with the god of the Bible and what is said in the Bible regarding the world.
The point of historians (which I am not) is to try to put oneself into the shoes of someone alive in a certain time period at a certain place in whatever hierachy one wants and try to understand the why and the how of the daily life, worldview, expectations, etc. Also because of scholars who deal with old manuscripts and papyri and palimpsest a whole different view of our past was becoming more and more clear to me which made me understand the Bible (and us) much better.
That is what got me eventually out of christianity but more interested in the Abrahamic religions ironically. Religions are part of our human history and I'm convinced that we can learn a lot of ourselves through understanding what religions says about us, and thus how it might have formed. It does not mean people were stupid or gullible back then, the world was just a very different place.
I've always wondered how many cases of mental illness go undiagnosed because they are hidden under the cloak of religion.
WWll -woman built armaments !! Welding was their forte !
Just like the Bible, the law can be misinterpreted. Especially intentionally for selfish reasons. For example, bribery is illegal. Yet, lobbying, which is essentially bribery, is legal. Another example, insider trading is illegal. Yet the ones who make the laws don't consider what they're doing to be insider trading.
That doesn't mean the law is bad. It means people are twisting the law, and looking for loopholes and ways to get around the law. Also, fighting about the meanings of words in the law. All kinds of things.
Imagine if Jay was off to the WW2 & women made all the ammunition & build planes & tanks, because the men were off to kill
@11:57 - Jay: "If society is not equal, why are they hiring women faster than they are hiring men?"
Because society is, currently, not equal!!
Because they are trying to offset the difference of hundreds of years of not being equal!!
Do you not know how "equal" works?
9 out of 10 people wouldn't want to be accountants.
great job by hosts alice is the cuttest amoeba (bunch of biological cells packed into a human) and both hit the nail right in the head to start exploring such caller claims etc...
Who let Jay out of his padded room?
god😂
A perfect god made imperfect people & then punishes them for their imperfection?
"ever see a man with a vagina?" no, but it sounds Alice and Dan are talking to a man with one....
Great question Jay.
Hypothetically, what if god, heaven and hell really existed. How would i feel about trying to get people out of a sick relationship with an all powerful pathological narcissist?
First off, my mind would be overwhelmed that this hell of an existence was real.
If i could survive the mental death this would cause i would have no guilt in myself or others going to hell for what i believed and said. Dont blame the victim. I am not this god. I didnt hypothetically create a universe where there is no proof or evidence of its existence. I had nothing to do with creating a book of mythological insanity leading people to think an imaginary friend exists.
I have always tried to live my life subscribing to my best understanding of reality that will bring the most safety and happiness to others. Fault me for that, then i am not the guilty party.
You think instead i should be pushing immorality, hatred, fear, slavery, genocide and an overwhelmingly pathological narcissistic relationship with something no one can proves exists. I think someone is not thinking about the wellness of others and is pandering to their own mental illness.
Super sad. Why should any part of the crap in that book need "context"? It should make sense to whomever is reading it, regardless of "context".
I love it when someone who believes in an invisible, no evidence sky king starts talking about facts.
This guy almost makes me miss Otangelo.
Ugh! 😖
No! Not Otangelo! Please!
@@onepunch9203 I did say almost.
@@anthonymitchell9793
Right on. 👍🏼
Although insipid and illogical, at least Otangelo isn't as rude and angry as this POS
This is the same guy whom forest completely destroyed in the topic of abiognenesis a few weeks ago.
I see Jay is still butthurt that his pathetic belief system didnt hold up to scrutiny.
Let’s think about women and god in a different way for a change.
God loves women, after all he created them. Correct.
Why then is child birth excruciatingly painful and very dangerous? When it should be ecstatic? Why is menstruation uncomfortable? What about menopause? did god create all this pain, discomfort, loss of life during childbirth? Shouldn’t they be ecstatic experiences? Why does god punish women this way?
I am no way trying to b sexiest or stereotype but want to attack this guy on his twisted view.... wouldn't a home maker b working 12 plus hour days at home taking care of children and the home how the fuck wouldn't that be hard work and a long ass day in his sexiest world view
Not 1 MAN in 10 can work on a diesel -sheesh. Jay couldn't get a date (with a woman) in San Francisco.
Jay is literally not intelligent enough to hold a conversation. Dude is all over the place. I was super pissed a minute ago, but now I just pity the guy. This poor dude must live such an ignorant, miserable life. I can't imagine being so twisted up over what my Bible says that I had to call in to a show with opposite ideals so I can scream at them all my frustration.
It's scary how little believers know about the outside world, and their own bible.
"It's taken out of context." yeah, but show the context then, be in biblend "ignore that." or where does it say in what context it's okay.
It's just a poor excuse to defend something immoral.
I love listening to Objectively Dan. This is the first time I’ve seen Alice. I hope to see more episodes/clips where she is resident. Shame they were up against such a sexist chump. 9 out of 10 men probably don’t want to work on engines or transmissions or do welding in 116 degree heat. I can do any and all of those jobs but I chose a different career. My sister can also do them but she also chose another direction. We both work hard. The guy was an idiot.
9 out of men can't do that.
7:45 9/10 men cant do it either...
If you look at the scandanavian countries dan, they have encouraged women to do more manual labour type jobs and numbers show that women are less likely to go into that field of work when they have equal opportunity
That's not necessarily true, at least in STEM areas, and it's explainable by stronger stereotypes in egalitarian societies. You're referring to the gender-equality paradox. A lot of that's based on a paper by Stoet and Geary (2018). However, there were major empirical flaws with their study, they used unvalidated and unreported methods, it is only correlational data, the findings could not be replicated, and when they tried, they found different results. The original paper had to be corrected.
Furthermore, other papers have found different explanations. Breda et al., found there was stronger gender stereotypes in more egalitarian societies. For example, stereotypes associating men with math.
It's something that Jordan Peterson goes on about and is wrong about. You can tell Jordan hasn't looked very deeply into the research. Confirmation bias in action. Sees a single article that agrees with what he says, then ignores all the rebuttals and research after.
I have a secret to impart to you: given equal opportunity between manual labor and less physically strenuous professions, there aren't a lot of men that would choose the former either.