I don't think many people really understand how much R&D costs for a car. The VW mk7 Golf costs €1.8 billion to develop from scratch. Granted, the 3.0 CSL is a different project scale, but let me put out some numbers. Ferrari regularly makes one-off special projects based on regular cars like 458/599/488 etc. Most are just different body panels, retaining headlights and still a lot resemblence to the donor car. A one-off SP-car would cost up to $5 million. Another example, the Bugarti La Voiture Noir, a one-of-one car, costs €14 million more than the Chiron it was based on. In terms of changes relative to the donor car, the CSL is pretty extensive, and would cost in the tens of millions. Split the R&D cost into 50 cars, and you get an extra $300k+ into the price tag, that is before the car is even produced. Is it worth it? To most people, probably not. But the fact is, 50 people decided to put their money down for the 3.0 CSL to exist, and that's all that matters. Otherwise this car would just be a concept stored in BMW's archive.
You can quite literally get a fully custom, fully carbon fiber front bumper for any vehicle for around $4-10k, sometimes less. Never mind if you decided to make it yourself. $35k for that front bumper is stupidly overpriced. I get it’s rare, but if you’re into customizing cars and make a near average salary, cars like this are unrealistic and a waste of money. It’s not even that fast… I enjoyed the feature though. Good job Larry, just sharing my thoughts.
It’s expensive because of the tolerances, tooling, and low volume. That $10k body kit will require a lot of trimming and adjusting to look good. A $35k bumper will fit the first time you put it on. Yes it is expensive though 😅
@@carlosvargasbatmansorry bro if ur paying 4k-10k for a bumper which required trimming ur either buying a fake or ur platform is just shit or ur buying shit products like seibon. Never had any issues or heard of anyone who purchased body parts for a R35 from Japan that had fitment issues. For example a full dry carbon hood from TS costs around 5k which fits completely flush. 35k for a bumper FROM JAPAN is just a scam man. Not only that he literally state the bumper is a touring car, not a track car. Lmao...
@@twistedbdo5755if you understand anything about economics, you’d understand that making 1000’s of the same part makes it significantly less expensive and also allows for refining over time. There are 50 of these cars in the world and the carbon is all handmade.
@@cgcrosby2 Alot of carbon parts are hand made for one when buying from a reputable shop from Japan. There's legit videos on this... Which Is also why it takes 6 months to 2 years ETA to receive (im talking about drop shipped. They are typically made after order). I have purchase a custom carbon splitter used by a shop famous for r35 time attack. The part isn't even being publicly listed. I'll tell you it costed well under what you think it costs. Not only that it's TRACK tested, not some touring peice... There's probably less than 5 of them made. You clearly have 0 experience dealing with aftermarket parts from Japan. In terms of my top secret example for the hood, I'd also be very surprised if there was even close to 1k full top secret r35 aero kits sold.
Studie created so many unique builds throughout the years. I was hoping to see them in this video. It makes me wonder if they still have them in storage. Notably, the twin Z4 M Coupe GT-Rs, E92 M3, and E36 M3.
The Z8 is firmly into collector territory now, where originality will be king. It always got mixed reviews, the consensus IIRC being that it felt like it didn't know whether to be a boulevard cruiser or a proper sports car, and ended up not really being either. The (stock) looks have aged supremely well, though. I'm not sure we will be able to say the same about that rather strange-looking CSL Hommage...
The 3.0 CSL looks good, but when you see the car this new version is based on, the BMW 3.0 CSL Hommage R, it's extremely watered down. The Hommage R had the flares actually come loose and go into the bodywork, which was insane. A pity BMW never released that car as it was to the public. They allowed Supercar Blondie to check it out and drive it though.
That 3.0 is awesome. I hope that you can get Bob-san to take you out in it. I'm looking forward to that video. AND IT'S A MANUAL?? That's freaking awesome!
Really love this car but $1m (850k) price is just a hype tool for BMW. All mechanical parts are shared with the “regular” M4 CSL and the transmission comes from the standard M4, meaning they asking +700k for a pretty carbon fibre body? They could have at least thrown some GT3 racecar parts under that plastic engine cover.
(Re-)engineering a car is expensive. Simple stuff we ignore like indicator lights can cost multiple six figures to homologate, OEM-quality body panel molds, even for plastic, is multiple 5 figures. Add that to the design, engineering, and testing cost, it costs millions to do a simple job like this, that is before the car is produced. The 3.0 CSL is produced hand-made off the production line, which means it takes a lot more man hours. Even let's say it costs a mere $15 mil to develop the 3.0 CSL (a number I made up, mind you the mk7 Golf was estimated to cost almost $2 bil to develop from scratch), split into 50 cars, that's an R&D cost of $300k per car. Our regular cars are kept to a low price simple because OEMs make hundreds of thousands of them, so the R&D cost per car is only a few percent of the MSRP. Production lines are also ultra-efficient at churning out cars, even as fast a new car every 2 minutes. Compare that to hand-made cars which would be tough to finish one per day. The labor cost per car is just not comparable. That is just a part of the explanation, we still don't know how much profit margin BMW takes, but I doubt that BMW simply takes a 40% margin on the CSL.
@@thatcopenguy I still don’t believe 1m is justified for a m4 with custom lights and body kit. seems like the price is determined by the marketing history of the CSL and 50 limited.
Beautiful car. Price tag wise … a bit much. I get the ins and outs are different and everything comes together to compliment one another but still near a million? No thanks. I noticed a white. X1with gold rims ? Did I get that right ? Looking good 👍
for this amount of money it should look exactly like the 2015 csl hommage concept. no excuses. im sorry but this looks like an aliexpress version of the 2015 concept. sad
the actual 3.0CSL is unfortunately one of the ugliest cars BMW made. also the L (lightweight) in CSL since the E46 or E92 has nothing in common with lightweight, those cars are ridiculously heavy as fuck
I just don’t understand, they know how to design a beautiful car, ie 3.0 CSL, but then the g8xs aren’t the prettiest from the front, the new 5 series is bad, the g87 m2 is controversial at best, idk why they gate keeping the good design for a million dollar limited production run
Power isnt everything. This car is almost entirely bespoke body etc. Its a collectors car. I just think its a shame it looks nothing like the concept version of it. It would have looked sick with actual vents on the hood and the arches actually beeing somewhat detached. Also those more aggressive headlights looked amazing. Now it just looks like they had to plug those holes for the production version, and the body lines make no sense anymore and kind of look like a cheap knock off body kit. But in the end, all that doesnt matter to us as wed never be able to buy one even if we wanted to. For the collectors it will have its value and rarity and thats all that kind of matters for it.
I don't think many people really understand how much R&D costs for a car. The VW mk7 Golf costs €1.8 billion to develop from scratch.
Granted, the 3.0 CSL is a different project scale, but let me put out some numbers. Ferrari regularly makes one-off special projects based on regular cars like 458/599/488 etc. Most are just different body panels, retaining headlights and still a lot resemblence to the donor car. A one-off SP-car would cost up to $5 million.
Another example, the Bugarti La Voiture Noir, a one-of-one car, costs €14 million more than the Chiron it was based on.
In terms of changes relative to the donor car, the CSL is pretty extensive, and would cost in the tens of millions. Split the R&D cost into 50 cars, and you get an extra $300k+ into the price tag, that is before the car is even produced.
Is it worth it? To most people, probably not. But the fact is, 50 people decided to put their money down for the 3.0 CSL to exist, and that's all that matters. Otherwise this car would just be a concept stored in BMW's archive.
Yeah no.
This is the BMW to have! It’s so beautiful. I have a 2022 G80 M3 with a manual, such a great platform. I love it. This 3.0 CSL is next level.
The Z8 wins the looks contest! Watching multiple auctions, I understand the Z8 had stability problems at speed.
Thanks for sharing your adventure!
I think the 435Km are the fuel range and not the odometer.
correct, looked to have 1335 or 1355 km
Yes caught on to t hat too!
You can quite literally get a fully custom, fully carbon fiber front bumper for any vehicle for around $4-10k, sometimes less. Never mind if you decided to make it yourself. $35k for that front bumper is stupidly overpriced. I get it’s rare, but if you’re into customizing cars and make a near average salary, cars like this are unrealistic and a waste of money. It’s not even that fast… I enjoyed the feature though. Good job Larry, just sharing my thoughts.
It’s expensive because of the tolerances, tooling, and low volume. That $10k body kit will require a lot of trimming and adjusting to look good. A $35k bumper will fit the first time you put it on. Yes it is expensive though 😅
Carbon has many different grades. And the really expensive ones are priced to no limit.
@@carlosvargasbatmansorry bro if ur paying 4k-10k for a bumper which required trimming ur either buying a fake or ur platform is just shit or ur buying shit products like seibon. Never had any issues or heard of anyone who purchased body parts for a R35 from Japan that had fitment issues. For example a full dry carbon hood from TS costs around 5k which fits completely flush. 35k for a bumper FROM JAPAN is just a scam man. Not only that he literally state the bumper is a touring car, not a track car. Lmao...
@@twistedbdo5755if you understand anything about economics, you’d understand that making 1000’s of the same part makes it significantly less expensive and also allows for refining over time. There are 50 of these cars in the world and the carbon is all handmade.
@@cgcrosby2 Alot of carbon parts are hand made for one when buying from a reputable shop from Japan. There's legit videos on this... Which Is also why it takes 6 months to 2 years ETA to receive (im talking about drop shipped. They are typically made after order). I have purchase a custom carbon splitter used by a shop famous for r35 time attack. The part isn't even being publicly listed. I'll tell you it costed well under what you think it costs. Not only that it's TRACK tested, not some touring peice... There's probably less than 5 of them made. You clearly have 0 experience dealing with aftermarket parts from Japan. In terms of my top secret example for the hood, I'd also be very surprised if there was even close to 1k full top secret r35 aero kits sold.
Wao BMW CARS COLLECTORS ARE SOMETHING ELSE THIS IS A PERFECT Example of it Ty for sharing .
Studie created so many unique builds throughout the years. I was hoping to see them in this video.
It makes me wonder if they still have them in storage. Notably, the twin Z4 M Coupe GT-Rs, E92 M3, and E36 M3.
The Z8 is firmly into collector territory now, where originality will be king. It always got mixed reviews, the consensus IIRC being that it felt like it didn't know whether to be a boulevard cruiser or a proper sports car, and ended up not really being either. The (stock) looks have aged supremely well, though. I'm not sure we will be able to say the same about that rather strange-looking CSL Hommage...
Fantastic video, as always, Larry!
The 3.0 CSL looks good, but when you see the car this new version is based on, the BMW 3.0 CSL Hommage R, it's extremely watered down. The Hommage R had the flares actually come loose and go into the bodywork, which was insane. A pity BMW never released that car as it was to the public. They allowed Supercar Blondie to check it out and drive it though.
the '50' on the car doesnt stand for how many were made. its build for the 50s Anivarsery of M GmbH.
and the 435km isnt the Odometer.. :D
That 3.0 is awesome. I hope that you can get Bob-san to take you out in it. I'm looking forward to that video. AND IT'S A MANUAL?? That's freaking awesome!
11:16 there’s isn’t an automatic dct isn’t an option for the g8x platform
Is this video shot before the video you did a walk around the m2,m4 and M3 touring?
I love those wheels
Why is there no aftermarket front bumper for the G8X generation that looks like the new 3.0 CSL one.
The wheels omg thats wuuut? Ill dude
Its funny larry did not notice the excellent grille design that the 3 and 4 series should have had.
great video
Lerry your the man!
I need to start making a lot more money! 😂😂😂😂
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The new M cars are no longer DCT, they're actually ZF autos 👍
That was a sick car. Congrats one sitting in it haha.
those z8s, 25 year old model and still looks new in todays standards, still selling for around 1/4 mil
I’m sure you miss spoke by saying the 3 L is the most powerful M car ever built when the M5CS makes almost 100 hp more
The 50 signifies BMWs 50 years of M. Also the badge
I saw bmw in the title and I came so fast even my ex would be disappointed. But you'd be proud Larry! 😂😂🤙🏼🤙🏼 Love the content
10:30 its not odo
Only 50 on the world, that car can be garage queen 😂
I realize something, the number of M2 number plate have 31K?
Larry you became a b.m.w
Fan hhhhh
yo 435km is the petrol range la
mate it's not 435 on km on it :D that's how much gas is in it
Really love this car but $1m (850k) price is just a hype tool for BMW. All mechanical parts are shared with the “regular” M4 CSL and the transmission comes from the standard M4, meaning they asking +700k for a pretty carbon fibre body? They could have at least thrown some GT3 racecar parts under that plastic engine cover.
Not many people are going to mod a Z8 given how incredibly expensive they've become.
What DCT are you talking about that's not a thing anymore
its an m4 with a body kit, why is it so expensive?
(Re-)engineering a car is expensive.
Simple stuff we ignore like indicator lights can cost multiple six figures to homologate, OEM-quality body panel molds, even for plastic, is multiple 5 figures. Add that to the design, engineering, and testing cost, it costs millions to do a simple job like this, that is before the car is produced.
The 3.0 CSL is produced hand-made off the production line, which means it takes a lot more man hours.
Even let's say it costs a mere $15 mil to develop the 3.0 CSL (a number I made up, mind you the mk7 Golf was estimated to cost almost $2 bil to develop from scratch), split into 50 cars, that's an R&D cost of $300k per car.
Our regular cars are kept to a low price simple because OEMs make hundreds of thousands of them, so the R&D cost per car is only a few percent of the MSRP. Production lines are also ultra-efficient at churning out cars, even as fast a new car every 2 minutes. Compare that to hand-made cars which would be tough to finish one per day. The labor cost per car is just not comparable.
That is just a part of the explanation, we still don't know how much profit margin BMW takes, but I doubt that BMW simply takes a 40% margin on the CSL.
@@thatcopenguy I still don’t believe 1m is justified for a m4 with custom lights and body kit. seems like the price is determined by the marketing history of the CSL and 50 limited.
This car should’ve just been the new m8
It’s def not the strongest m car.. love it tho
Beautiful car. Price tag wise … a bit much. I get the ins and outs are different and everything comes together to compliment one another but still near a million? No thanks. I noticed a white. X1with gold rims ? Did I get that right ? Looking good 👍
The 435km is the range it has w the full tank of gas no the total km driven… ie why you said “one tank of gas”
for this amount of money it should look exactly like the 2015 csl hommage concept. no excuses. im sorry but this looks like an aliexpress version of the 2015 concept. sad
agreed.. this thing is still so large and BULBOUS looking
I don’t think that 3.0 csl stays at 1 million it goes down heavily
1.2 million for a bmw with some stickers
lol parts bin limited edition
the actual 3.0CSL is unfortunately one of the ugliest cars BMW made. also the L (lightweight) in CSL since the E46 or E92 has nothing in common with lightweight, those cars are ridiculously heavy as fuck
I just don’t understand, they know how to design a beautiful car, ie 3.0 CSL, but then the g8xs aren’t the prettiest from the front, the new 5 series is bad, the g87 m2 is controversial at best, idk why they gate keeping the good design for a million dollar limited production run
Damn for 1.2 million rather get a Koenigsegg
Rear brakes are just a joke. Porsche had better calipers as stock over 30 years ago.
You’d never catch me paying $1.2mil for a BMW 💀
Yup, even if I was a billionaire. That thing is just the dumbest way to spend 1.2M.
$1.2M for bmw? No bmw is worth that kind of money lol
Sorry but I don’t see a $1M car here, props to BMW for scamming 50 people though..one hell of a chess move.
Bro read the KM til empty and called it the mileage…
What’s this video about! Aren’t u going to drive that shit😢
The M5 CS has more power...This car is never worth that money man. The engine is used in several other M models. The X M has also more power.
^He's right, it's just an m8 wide-bodied, that doesn't equate to a 700k markup for some badges and fiberglass
Read some other reports on the car. It's the fastest inline 6 bmw has produced.
Power isnt everything. This car is almost entirely bespoke body etc. Its a collectors car. I just think its a shame it looks nothing like the concept version of it. It would have looked sick with actual vents on the hood and the arches actually beeing somewhat detached. Also those more aggressive headlights looked amazing. Now it just looks like they had to plug those holes for the production version, and the body lines make no sense anymore and kind of look like a cheap knock off body kit. But in the end, all that doesnt matter to us as wed never be able to buy one even if we wanted to. For the collectors it will have its value and rarity and thats all that kind of matters for it.
@@MrPimpmygunThis is not based on an 8 series. It's 4 series.
@@j4259 The M5 CS is still faster so what's your point of arguing about this fact?
I’m glad they only made 50 of those bc it looks like absolute shit 😂…my god bmw is so 🗑️
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You could literally build a csl for 200k off an m5 cs, so dumb, bmw only made 50 because you have to be really dumb to buy that