One of the biggest and most annoying chokes for me was Takaaki Nakagami crashing out of the lead in Aragon 2020 after he had worked so hard that whole weekend even getting his only pole position and then he crashed out on the first lap, this was his biggest chance of winning a motogp race and he choked
Great video. I had the pleasure of meeting Colin Edwards on a few occasions and he was the nicest guy. Such a shame he never got the win he probably deserved, but still a legend in my book.
I think one of the most brutal parts about 2022 for Fabio is the fact that his bike was getting worse relative to Pecco which made it so that he had to push even harder which pushed him into more mistakes, it was a cycle that was prone to making the choke even harder
Yeah, Quartararo is one of the most talented guys on the grid, he really did get screwed over a bit at the end there and it really didn't help. It's not entirely his fault, but the sheer scale of losing a 91 point lead is just insane.
@@TheBeehivePaddock I wish he had more of a chance at the title this year, but with so many other contenders with stronger bikes it just seems impossible for him to close the gap. Honestly he deserves a fight at least, but I just don’t see it happening :/
The Choke is the thing that makes motorsport really exciting. You can never know if a certain driver will cross finishline. Through every fight, every corner, you just hope they don't crash. Or sometimes you might hope they crash? And over the last two years, sometimes it was the only thing that would make a MotoGP race exciting.
An example of a rider who would never get a win, Yoni Hernandez in the Dutch TT in 2016, leading in the weather only to go down at T1. It was heartbreaking to see.
Sound and rational logic on 2015, but unfortunately it's easier for his fans and even Rossi himself to simply blame Marc, lmao. 15:12 actual pain. I don't think I'll ever get over that. 2022 was his.
I'd argue one of the biggest chokes of the modern MotoGP era was Marc Marquez' 2020 Jerez crash. He was coming off of his best season in 2019, had arguably the best bike, and plenty of chances for glory in the coming races. Instead, he pushed too hard trying to break Vinales, dropped to 18th, and got desperate. Desperate Marc is either glory or gravel, and while his charge back to the front was heroic, it ended in gravel. He broke his arm badly in a self-inflicted crash, and it derailed his career, along with Honda's bike development. He and Honda backslid so much he was crashing out of seventh for half of 2023, pushing too hard on a bike that wouldn't take it.
Every single time i forget not to take things for granted. Like take Martin in Indonesia 2023 and Geemany 2024, i thought for sure he had it in the bag and then just a split second can change everything.
Kind of similar idea, but what do you think of making a video about riders that never got the chance to be title contenders, even if they had potential? Sort of like this except the choke is their whole career lol. I feel like that would make an interesting video (or maybe I just want you to talk about Cal Crutchlow lmao)
Could be pretty good, I talk a decent bit about Crutchlow in my “What if champions were banned” video, but that’s alternate history and not his actual career, he’ll have a big mention in an upcoming video, but probably not for the reasons you want sadly…
@ no matter! I’m just happy you saw my suggestion honestly. Crutchlow has always been one of my favourite racers but I never really see him mentioned anywhere, so I’ll definitely watch the “what if champions were banned” vid and your next video! (I have been meaning to watch that one I swear)
0:27 Being from St. Helens, I almost never have this feeling, haha! The Saints always seem to end up on the right side of the score card in close games, to the point there's a compilation of their late wins! :D
I’m a mega Vale fan, i respect your point of view but honestly i can’t see a scenario where Rossi could challenge Jorge Marc and Dani in Valencia, i think he did the best possible result. Without the reaction in Malesia he surely had more chance to put pressure on Jorge, but the real “decider” was Marc behaviour in Australia and Valencia, where he only attacked his team mate and never Lorenzo (even if he had the pace to do so). That’s my opinion, nice videos keep it up! 🤙🏼💪🏼
yeah its very crutial context that marquez was very salty for argentina and assen when both races were objectivly his own faults. you could even argue that his games started even in assen they way he just went to blockpass in the last corner. philip island malaysia and valencia are just the icing on the cake. in the last 4 races marquez clearly drove for lorenzo and not for honda and this made this decided the championship.
My like minded friends, you're absolutely right. Let us not forget the first hand account of Ianonne calling out Marc for sandbagging everyone but Jorge in Phillip Island. Oh, and Honda, we're still waiting for that telemetry data 10 years later...
one I think about is Simoncelli in Jerez in ‘11, idk if it was a choke per-say, since it was pretty early in the race, but he had a pretty sizable lead
I hate this clip of Pedro's crash so bad :'') by some coincidence saw it like three times on my twitter tl today and that totalls to four more times of seeing it than i would ever want to see it again preferably. Also i never heard "choke" used in this meaning before so that was very interesting to learn!! Today's random video length metric of the day is a singular string of beads that is like meter long, not very existing so stay tuned for next one🫡🫡
The clip is so brutal, whenever a rider I’m rooting for is in the lead I’m always a little nervous they’ll crash, and this one was extra heartbreaking because I wanted Acosta to get a win this year so bad! I always read through your whole comment without seeing the name and then get to the random metric part and realize who it is lol
I feel underwhelmed by this video. I saw it when it was really fresh on my feed. I remembered the title as I couldn't watch it then. Watching it now. Maybe it's your style but damn dude. Ongea mbio kidogo.
I thought about it, but he was never really in a position where he seemed like he had a super huge advantage, Martin led/was close to him all year long, so it doesn't really qualify for me personally
I don't know if this could be defined as a choke, but this year in Magny-Cours during the SBK race Garrett Gerloff crashed while leading, but there are to be said some things. He was with intermediate tyres on full wet conditions, so he was unlikely to stay in the lead after, a podium was much more likely. Then, he took a post race penalty and he ended up in P12. Regardless of this, he still had a great season with some podiums and some great action
This applies to racing games as well. I play Ride 4, and with a keyboard. (Don't judge) All of my races are focused on not choking. And when I do screw up, well.. there ya have it.
I don't necessary agree with some of the takes in this video, I do not think there's an outright choke per say in the last few years that you can outright say Sure you have your Martin Germany final laps from this year or when Nakagami/Acosta blew up inside the first 2 laps of the races they get their poles in, but I do not think each of them are choke. As in those cases there's a good chance they would have scored at least a top 5, given how the races would go (The Suzukis and Morbidelli on Aaragon, The Ducatis in Acosta's race) To go through some of the season that are more recent I have a few disagreements First off, the 2 Bagnaias 2021-22 seasons had roughly the same season. Awful first half in which he would then overcome with a really strong 2nd half of the season. The difference in why he didn't win in 2021 was that Fabio had still solid finishes in the latter half, which in 2022 he didn't really do it. That can be traced to Yamaha's slowly losing touch with Ducati in the development war. I do not think Francesco wins 2021 anyway, Fabio probably wins it just by having a really strong first half. 2022 I'd say if quartararo had not got wiped out in Aaragon there might have been a chance he just about saves the season come Valencia. But classifying it as a choke is a handful 2006 is interesting because I'd argue that Hayden had a generational implosion saved because of Rossi's awful start to Valencia. In that season Rossi after Laguna said that he was not going to focus on the title and just race as much as he can. Hayden had a large lead but in the period from Laguna to Estoril, Hayden lost all of it. Not helped by Pedrosa's infamous wipe out. To say Rossi choke it I do not really think is the case as he had ridden himself into an a freaky opportunity that he messed up somewhat. It could be as a choke sure but I think it was down to Hayden having a slump in the latter half of the season Which, argument can be made if Rossi didn't had mechanical issues in China/France/US he'd already won the title but it is what it is 2015 I'd argue the Wet race in Misano where Rossi didn't take advantage off Lorenzo's DNF. Malaysia is a bit of a meh excuse but I'd argue there are races here and there that Rossi maybe gets a point or two there. But I think the higher chokejob is possibly 2016 with Yamaha generally speaking. If we count dry races, they would have easily beaten Marquez both Lorenzo and Rossi but they lost the title because they imploded in wet races. Disastrous strategies and it signalled one of the main flaws of the Yamaha in that period. Also possibly Dovi's 2017 season was underwhelming An all time OEM implosion of a choke job is still 2020 Yamaha which I think is the biggest out of the last few years. Because they had the biggest oppurtinity to finally get a title with quite literally Morbidelli, Quartararo or even Vinales. Rossi had crashes and covid so no. But they seemingly lost it on the first weekend, when they had the entire engine saga which was later discovered. Got penalized and generally they seemed off pace. Mir/Rins possibly wouldn't have won it if Yamaha did not messed up the Jerez double round in regards of engine allocation.
I think ultimately the disagreement here comes from how we're defining chokes, I appreciate you taking the time to write all of it out, you make a lot of pretty good points, but I think we just fundamentally disagree on what the definition of a choke should be.
2015 wasnt so much a choke but Floggi cracking under pressure and getting desperate. Jorge started season slow and by summer break Floggi had a solid lead, when they returned Jorge was more consistant in qualifying well and scoring podiums closing the gap. Floggi got desperate and resorted to old pathetic tactics trting to rattle Jorge by getting fanbase and media onto Marc. Unflrtunately for him Marc and Jorge are mentally tough and just got on with it, Floggi should have been black flagged at Sepang and banned from final race
Marquez ran into the side / back of Rossi, there was still room at the side of the track for Marquez to go by. Yes Rossi did slow down, which he shouldn't have done. Marquez knew exactly what he was doing. In the last race of the year, there was no attemp for Marquez to overtake Lorenzo (both Spanish), if he had, Rossi would have won the championship. Marquez even forced his team mate Pedrossa off the track when me tried to overtake him.
Firstly he didn't slow down but kicked him. Marquez knew what he was doing, he made a last lap move on Lorenzo in Australia and made his life even harder in the championship. And Lorenzo was a beast in his days and even Rossi couldn't beat him then. I don't know when will Rossi fans will stop making these conspiracy theories.
@@salttea8926 I'm fine with you calling them conspiracy theories, but not for what happened at Valencia. That was in front of everyone, in the sunlight.
@@simoneburini4036 it was in sunlight JLo was on pole and had clear better speed than Marc and was on pole. Even if Marc would've passed JLo still JLo would've been Champion. JLo was the well deserving champion in 2025.
Rossi ran him out deliberately. There is no argument against this hence why Rossi got a penalty. It's not up for debate. Weather Marc was holding him and antagonizing him is another matter and even if we were you don't run another rider off the racing line just because you can't handle the pressure.
Rossi didn't choke at Valencia in 2006. 2006 was the year of the Yamaha hypernail which suffered with reliability all season. Rossi didn't get off the line because the bike overheated and started spewing it's coolant out, and that's why he went backwards in the race. The bike also managed to chunk it's front tyre three times that year, it did it so hard at Jerez it smashed the front mudguard off and broke the screen. Maybe you shouldn't guess about these things, especially when there are people who saw that season happen in real time
That was just a really rough year overall. Stuff that normally happens to people not named Rossi started happening to him. He got crashed into, had engines pop, tires chunking. I still remember watching the "Repsol is Spanish for teamwork" crash happen and thought 'this will probably be Rossi's toughest championship win. I really hope Nicky can come back strong next year..' just for valencia to happen
@@fullmetalf4i And they happened to other people. Capirossi should have won that title had it not been for Gibernau skittling half the grid at Catalunya and putting him in hospital
I just cant agree with 2015, marquez was doing all he could to slow rossi and let lorenzo get away, he did simular in Australia. He was all over Jorge in Valencia and never once tried to pass on purpose. If rossi was in that group we'd have just seen another Malaysia, Lorenzo and Pedrosa ride away and Marquez drops to fight rossi and slow them both down
I was thinking about Rossi recently. (It first came to mind after seeing the EmpLemon video.) You mentioned a few specific ones but I think it's a more general mental block around reaching that 8th premier class title. I was considering how he dominated in GP until he got one championship behind Agostini, then essentially self destructed since. Entering the Premier Class he won 7 titles in his first 9 years, putting him just one behind Ago. In this time he could have easily made it 8 without the 2006 choke you covered. The year after his 7th title he crashed in practice before the 4th race, taking him him out through injury from the next 4 races and completely destroying his hopes of his 8th title that year. The following 3 years he was no where near the title and would only win one race. In 2014, with 6 races to go in the season and Rossi in 2nd in the championship, Marquez made his first mistake of the year, crashing out of the race. Rossi would take full advantage and win this race. The next race, Marquez made another mistake, dropping down to 13th place. Shortly after this, with and an opportunity to take advantage again, Rossi himself had a massive crash where he was knocked unconscious. He finished 2nd that season. In 2015 with a dominant bike all he had to do for the elusive 8th title was beat his teammate. As you said, he lost his head in Malaysia, deciding to play games with Marquez rather than chase down 2nd place in the race. Then in Valencia he managed to slice up to 4th place with ease, and then made no further progress which was all that was needed for the title. The following year, 2016, he would come 2nd AGAIN. After that, despite 5 more years in the sport, he would never get close to the title again. Notable chokes from the following years were a crash on the penultimate corner of the last lap of Le Mans in 2017 when battling for the lead with his teammate, and a bizarre slow speed fall in Malaysia when comfortably leading a race in 2018 with 3 laps to go. This is a man who dominated the sport to reach 7 titles so quickly, and then clearly had a mental block which stopped him getting his 8th in 12 further attempts.
Honestly, Rossi 2015 doesnt make sense. Lorenzo bested Rossi by almost 20 seconds! Not to mention Rossi was only 6 seconds behind Lorenzo once he got through the pack for 4th. The only ones that could take away the title from Lorenzo were the Hondas. So to summarize, it wasn't choke. Rossi did the maximum with his pace. Lorenzo was just granite that year.
That wasn’t my point, I’m saying Rossi choked by knocking Marquez off in Malaysia, and could have been involved in the battle in Valencia if he hadn’t done that.
One of the biggest and most annoying chokes for me was Takaaki Nakagami crashing out of the lead in Aragon 2020 after he had worked so hard that whole weekend even getting his only pole position and then he crashed out on the first lap, this was his biggest chance of winning a motogp race and he choked
And after that he disappeared into realm of abyss after that😂
He was also the only rider to _score_ in let alone finish every race that season before that one too
nakagami leading the race? you sure he wasn't being lapped? 😂
@@TecraTubehe was on pole in that race. A real pity.
True poor Taka
Being a Quartararo and Leclerc fan in 2022 scarred me
Damn. How’s your blood pressure handled that?
Man that Acosta crash in Japan still hurts to this day :(
Great to see some more MotoGP content on YT here. Keep it up!
Great video. I had the pleasure of meeting Colin Edwards on a few occasions and he was the nicest guy. Such a shame he never got the win he probably deserved, but still a legend in my book.
The art of the choke, Moto gp edition, man, you are on fire, this content is incredible. Please keep it up bro
This video may or may not be partially inspired by EmpLemon
@@TheBeehivePaddock haha
the realest choke was the friendship between rossi and marquez all along
I think one of the most brutal parts about 2022 for Fabio is the fact that his bike was getting worse relative to Pecco which made it so that he had to push even harder which pushed him into more mistakes, it was a cycle that was prone to making the choke even harder
Yeah, Quartararo is one of the most talented guys on the grid, he really did get screwed over a bit at the end there and it really didn't help. It's not entirely his fault, but the sheer scale of losing a 91 point lead is just insane.
@@TheBeehivePaddock I wish he had more of a chance at the title this year, but with so many other contenders with stronger bikes it just seems impossible for him to close the gap. Honestly he deserves a fight at least, but I just don’t see it happening :/
Broo, your videos are QUALITY, top job man👏
The Choke is the thing that makes motorsport really exciting. You can never know if a certain driver will cross finishline. Through every fight, every corner, you just hope they don't crash. Or sometimes you might hope they crash? And over the last two years, sometimes it was the only thing that would make a MotoGP race exciting.
An example of a rider who would never get a win, Yoni Hernandez in the Dutch TT in 2016, leading in the weather only to go down at T1. It was heartbreaking to see.
I cried when that happened, I was like 13 years old
@MasahiroKurosaki-yx2dw I don't blame u man, he was in control that race, but just drop the front and lost it all
And the race got restarted on wet surface, would have legit got a shot to at least the podium with that
@mattsuper1366 Yeah, maybe not the win because Miller was on a different level that day, but a podium for sure.
Some of the best videos on MotoGP, love the content, subbed
Ai Ogura still had a contract for MotoGP if he wanted but he decided to stay in Moto2 another year to avoid the Honda in GP
I mean, that probably was a factor, but pretty sure he stated that he wanted to become champion in Moto2 first.
Thanks for pointing that out! I could pretend I meant it would have gotten him more offers, but in truth I just forgot about that, my bad!
Sound and rational logic on 2015, but unfortunately it's easier for his fans and even Rossi himself to simply blame Marc, lmao.
15:12 actual pain. I don't think I'll ever get over that. 2022 was his.
Hey, loving the content of the channel, hoping it hits the algorithm soon! Great way to learn motoGP history
Taka Nakagami Aragon 2 2020 and Celestino Vietti 2022 comes to mind 😅. But nonetheless, great video as usual!
Damn Vietti 2022 was sad af. Somebody even made series of memes out of his chokes
@ Seriously!? How did I never saw these memes!?
@@motorsportfanboy7769it's from badmotogpmemes I think. It's mostly just pic of Vale doing the hands on hip pose
@@aldodafino2586 Ahh that explains it
"oh god is that montage music" got me more than it should have XD excellent work!
this can def be an interesting series!
I'd argue one of the biggest chokes of the modern MotoGP era was Marc Marquez' 2020 Jerez crash. He was coming off of his best season in 2019, had arguably the best bike, and plenty of chances for glory in the coming races. Instead, he pushed too hard trying to break Vinales, dropped to 18th, and got desperate.
Desperate Marc is either glory or gravel, and while his charge back to the front was heroic, it ended in gravel. He broke his arm badly in a self-inflicted crash, and it derailed his career, along with Honda's bike development. He and Honda backslid so much he was crashing out of seventh for half of 2023, pushing too hard on a bike that wouldn't take it.
that montage was epic imma be real, also banging content keep it up, if u want any help with anything lmk
I watched that back more times than I’m proud to admit… we need good MotoGP edits like other sports have
awesome video bro!
Quartararo had the longest choke ever, but Bagnaia had one of the best comebacks. Two sides of the same coin and maybe a good idea for another video!
what's really jarring is how edwards's and rossi's chokes in 2006 are linked
12:31 oooooh boooy, 2015 season review lol?
Biggest choke ever? Vinales' career.
Every single time i forget not to take things for granted. Like take Martin in Indonesia 2023 and Geemany 2024, i thought for sure he had it in the bag and then just a split second can change everything.
Nope you're right as a Rossi fan i agree it was painful to watch but he did give it away
Kind of similar idea, but what do you think of making a video about riders that never got the chance to be title contenders, even if they had potential? Sort of like this except the choke is their whole career lol. I feel like that would make an interesting video (or maybe I just want you to talk about Cal Crutchlow lmao)
Could be pretty good, I talk a decent bit about Crutchlow in my “What if champions were banned” video, but that’s alternate history and not his actual career, he’ll have a big mention in an upcoming video, but probably not for the reasons you want sadly…
@ no matter! I’m just happy you saw my suggestion honestly. Crutchlow has always been one of my favourite racers but I never really see him mentioned anywhere, so I’ll definitely watch the “what if champions were banned” vid and your next video! (I have been meaning to watch that one I swear)
The first thing that came to mind was Aleix Espargaro thinking the race is over in Catalunya 2022.
Loved it❤
0:27 Being from St. Helens, I almost never have this feeling, haha!
The Saints always seem to end up on the right side of the score card in close games, to the point there's a compilation of their late wins! :D
I’m a mega Vale fan, i respect your point of view but honestly i can’t see a scenario where Rossi could challenge Jorge Marc and Dani in Valencia, i think he did the best possible result. Without the reaction in Malesia he surely had more chance to put pressure on Jorge, but the real “decider” was Marc behaviour in Australia and Valencia, where he only attacked his team mate and never Lorenzo (even if he had the pace to do so). That’s my opinion, nice videos keep it up! 🤙🏼💪🏼
yeah its very crutial context that marquez was very salty for argentina and assen when both races were objectivly his own faults. you could even argue that his games started even in assen they way he just went to blockpass in the last corner. philip island malaysia and valencia are just the icing on the cake. in the last 4 races marquez clearly drove for lorenzo and not for honda and this made this decided the championship.
My like minded friends, you're absolutely right. Let us not forget the first hand account of Ianonne calling out Marc for sandbagging everyone but Jorge in Phillip Island. Oh, and Honda, we're still waiting for that telemetry data 10 years later...
one I think about is Simoncelli in Jerez in ‘11, idk if it was a choke per-say, since it was pretty early in the race, but he had a pretty sizable lead
Boosting the algorithm👍
Oh noooo, he mentioned 2015 ! The comment section is done for :D
I hate this clip of Pedro's crash so bad :'') by some coincidence saw it like three times on my twitter tl today and that totalls to four more times of seeing it than i would ever want to see it again preferably. Also i never heard "choke" used in this meaning before so that was very interesting to learn!!
Today's random video length metric of the day is a singular string of beads that is like meter long, not very existing so stay tuned for next one🫡🫡
The clip is so brutal, whenever a rider I’m rooting for is in the lead I’m always a little nervous they’ll crash, and this one was extra heartbreaking because I wanted Acosta to get a win this year so bad!
I always read through your whole comment without seeing the name and then get to the random metric part and realize who it is lol
I feel underwhelmed by this video. I saw it when it was really fresh on my feed. I remembered the title as I couldn't watch it then. Watching it now. Maybe it's your style but damn dude. Ongea mbio kidogo.
could add bagnaia to the list of drawn out chokes after this year 💔
I thought about it, but he was never really in a position where he seemed like he had a super huge advantage, Martin led/was close to him all year long, so it doesn't really qualify for me personally
I don't know if this could be defined as a choke, but this year in Magny-Cours during the SBK race Garrett Gerloff crashed while leading, but there are to be said some things.
He was with intermediate tyres on full wet conditions, so he was unlikely to stay in the lead after, a podium was much more likely.
Then, he took a post race penalty and he ended up in P12.
Regardless of this, he still had a great season with some podiums and some great action
I was super sad about that one, obv with the intermediates he would've lost it anyway, but having it ripped away early made it doubly bad
This applies to racing games as well. I play Ride 4, and with a keyboard. (Don't judge)
All of my races are focused on not choking. And when I do screw up, well.. there ya have it.
i feel you😅
i will get super nervous when there is like just a few laps left and i forget how to drive and choke it most of the time😅
I play MotoGP 22, I had a lead of like 3 seconds in Catalunya. Until I forgot to change the fuel mapping and ran out of fuel just 2 corners to go
@@aldodafino2586 Dang, that is so painful! 😖😖😆
Ride 4 with keyboard is insane but I respect the dedication and skill there lol
@@TheBeehivePaddockThanks, I've tried with a controller but it just feels weird idk, it's just me I guess
Rossi choking away his 200th podium twice in 2020 at Misano and Catalunya.
I was so shocked at rossi dropping it that I dropped my sausage sandwich 🥪 😢
I agree Rossi chocked 2006 and 2015. But in Valencia Lorenzo had his bodyguards.
Italians let Rossi through too. Riders will want their compatriots to win
marquez was bodyguarding him since philip island.
@@redlive36 not only the Italians, almost everyone did. They knew what had really happened and they knew who they wanted to favour, if they had to.
Love the earrings, man! No joke, it's awesome to see someone talking about sports with a gender-bendinding style like that
The world needs less gender-bending these days imo…but I’m not gay so there’s that.
ENGAGMENT !!!!!!!
Montage music name?
Storyteller by Daisuke Ishiwatari
I don't necessary agree with some of the takes in this video, I do not think there's an outright choke per say in the last few years that you can outright say
Sure you have your Martin Germany final laps from this year or when Nakagami/Acosta blew up inside the first 2 laps of the races they get their poles in, but I do not think each of them are choke. As in those cases there's a good chance they would have scored at least a top 5, given how the races would go (The Suzukis and Morbidelli on Aaragon, The Ducatis in Acosta's race)
To go through some of the season that are more recent I have a few disagreements
First off, the 2 Bagnaias 2021-22 seasons had roughly the same season. Awful first half in which he would then overcome with a really strong 2nd half of the season. The difference in why he didn't win in 2021 was that Fabio had still solid finishes in the latter half, which in 2022 he didn't really do it. That can be traced to Yamaha's slowly losing touch with Ducati in the development war. I do not think Francesco wins 2021 anyway, Fabio probably wins it just by having a really strong first half.
2022 I'd say if quartararo had not got wiped out in Aaragon there might have been a chance he just about saves the season come Valencia. But classifying it as a choke is a handful
2006 is interesting because I'd argue that Hayden had a generational implosion saved because of Rossi's awful start to Valencia. In that season Rossi after Laguna said that he was not going to focus on the title and just race as much as he can. Hayden had a large lead but in the period from Laguna to Estoril, Hayden lost all of it. Not helped by Pedrosa's infamous wipe out. To say Rossi choke it I do not really think is the case as he had ridden himself into an a freaky opportunity that he messed up somewhat. It could be as a choke sure but I think it was down to Hayden having a slump in the latter half of the season
Which, argument can be made if Rossi didn't had mechanical issues in China/France/US he'd already won the title but it is what it is
2015 I'd argue the Wet race in Misano where Rossi didn't take advantage off Lorenzo's DNF. Malaysia is a bit of a meh excuse but I'd argue there are races here and there that Rossi maybe gets a point or two there.
But I think the higher chokejob is possibly 2016 with Yamaha generally speaking. If we count dry races, they would have easily beaten Marquez both Lorenzo and Rossi but they lost the title because they imploded in wet races. Disastrous strategies and it signalled one of the main flaws of the Yamaha in that period.
Also possibly Dovi's 2017 season was underwhelming
An all time OEM implosion of a choke job is still 2020 Yamaha which I think is the biggest out of the last few years. Because they had the biggest oppurtinity to finally get a title with quite literally Morbidelli, Quartararo or even Vinales. Rossi had crashes and covid so no. But they seemingly lost it on the first weekend, when they had the entire engine saga which was later discovered. Got penalized and generally they seemed off pace. Mir/Rins possibly wouldn't have won it if Yamaha did not messed up the Jerez double round in regards of engine allocation.
I think ultimately the disagreement here comes from how we're defining chokes, I appreciate you taking the time to write all of it out, you make a lot of pretty good points, but I think we just fundamentally disagree on what the definition of a choke should be.
2015 wasnt so much a choke but Floggi cracking under pressure and getting desperate. Jorge started season slow and by summer break Floggi had a solid lead, when they returned Jorge was more consistant in qualifying well and scoring podiums closing the gap. Floggi got desperate and resorted to old pathetic tactics trting to rattle Jorge by getting fanbase and media onto Marc. Unflrtunately for him Marc and Jorge are mentally tough and just got on with it, Floggi should have been black flagged at Sepang and banned from final race
Marquez ran into the side / back of Rossi, there was still room at the side of the track for Marquez to go by. Yes Rossi did slow down, which he shouldn't have done. Marquez knew exactly what he was doing. In the last race of the year, there was no attemp for Marquez to overtake Lorenzo (both Spanish), if he had, Rossi would have won the championship. Marquez even forced his team mate Pedrossa off the track when me tried to overtake him.
Firstly he didn't slow down but kicked him. Marquez knew what he was doing, he made a last lap move on Lorenzo in Australia and made his life even harder in the championship. And Lorenzo was a beast in his days and even Rossi couldn't beat him then. I don't know when will Rossi fans will stop making these conspiracy theories.
@@salttea8926 I'm fine with you calling them conspiracy theories, but not for what happened at Valencia. That was in front of everyone, in the sunlight.
@@simoneburini4036 it was in sunlight JLo was on pole and had clear better speed than Marc and was on pole. Even if Marc would've passed JLo still JLo would've been Champion. JLo was the well deserving champion in 2025.
Rossi ran him out deliberately. There is no argument against this hence why Rossi got a penalty. It's not up for debate. Weather Marc was holding him and antagonizing him is another matter and even if we were you don't run another rider off the racing line just because you can't handle the pressure.
Rossi didn't choke at Valencia in 2006. 2006 was the year of the Yamaha hypernail which suffered with reliability all season. Rossi didn't get off the line because the bike overheated and started spewing it's coolant out, and that's why he went backwards in the race. The bike also managed to chunk it's front tyre three times that year, it did it so hard at Jerez it smashed the front mudguard off and broke the screen. Maybe you shouldn't guess about these things, especially when there are people who saw that season happen in real time
That was just a really rough year overall. Stuff that normally happens to people not named Rossi started happening to him. He got crashed into, had engines pop, tires chunking. I still remember watching the "Repsol is Spanish for teamwork" crash happen and thought 'this will probably be Rossi's toughest championship win. I really hope Nicky can come back strong next year..' just for valencia to happen
@@fullmetalf4i And they happened to other people. Capirossi should have won that title had it not been for Gibernau skittling half the grid at Catalunya and putting him in hospital
I just cant agree with 2015, marquez was doing all he could to slow rossi and let lorenzo get away, he did simular in Australia. He was all over Jorge in Valencia and never once tried to pass on purpose. If rossi was in that group we'd have just seen another Malaysia, Lorenzo and Pedrosa ride away and Marquez drops to fight rossi and slow them both down
Alex rins choking every year after being third in 2019, 2020, 2021 🤦🤦🤦guy is the most talented rider on circuit...but too inconsistent
I was thinking about Rossi recently. (It first came to mind after seeing the EmpLemon video.) You mentioned a few specific ones but I think it's a more general mental block around reaching that 8th premier class title. I was considering how he dominated in GP until he got one championship behind Agostini, then essentially self destructed since. Entering the Premier Class he won 7 titles in his first 9 years, putting him just one behind Ago. In this time he could have easily made it 8 without the 2006 choke you covered. The year after his 7th title he crashed in practice before the 4th race, taking him him out through injury from the next 4 races and completely destroying his hopes of his 8th title that year. The following 3 years he was no where near the title and would only win one race.
In 2014, with 6 races to go in the season and Rossi in 2nd in the championship, Marquez made his first mistake of the year, crashing out of the race. Rossi would take full advantage and win this race. The next race, Marquez made another mistake, dropping down to 13th place. Shortly after this, with and an opportunity to take advantage again, Rossi himself had a massive crash where he was knocked unconscious. He finished 2nd that season.
In 2015 with a dominant bike all he had to do for the elusive 8th title was beat his teammate. As you said, he lost his head in Malaysia, deciding to play games with Marquez rather than chase down 2nd place in the race. Then in Valencia he managed to slice up to 4th place with ease, and then made no further progress which was all that was needed for the title. The following year, 2016, he would come 2nd AGAIN. After that, despite 5 more years in the sport, he would never get close to the title again.
Notable chokes from the following years were a crash on the penultimate corner of the last lap of Le Mans in 2017 when battling for the lead with his teammate, and a bizarre slow speed fall in Malaysia when comfortably leading a race in 2018 with 3 laps to go.
This is a man who dominated the sport to reach 7 titles so quickly, and then clearly had a mental block which stopped him getting his 8th in 12 further attempts.
Honestly, Rossi 2015 doesnt make sense. Lorenzo bested Rossi by almost 20 seconds!
Not to mention Rossi was only 6 seconds behind Lorenzo once he got through the pack for 4th. The only ones that could take away the title from Lorenzo were the Hondas. So to summarize, it wasn't choke. Rossi did the maximum with his pace. Lorenzo was just granite that year.
That wasn’t my point, I’m saying Rossi choked by knocking Marquez off in Malaysia, and could have been involved in the battle in Valencia if he hadn’t done that.