Goodman HVAC - GOOD and BAD!
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- Goodman, the manufacturer of an array of HVAC equipment and products, has a reputation. We go through the pros and cons of having a Goodman heating and air conditioning system installed in your home. Choosing a Goodman heating and air system over another HVAC brand may seem like a good idea, but Joshua explains why sometimes Goodman has gotten this reputation.
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0:00 Intro: Goodman HVAC Products
0:31 History of Goodman
1:09 Goodman's Good reputation
2:19 Goodman's Bad repuation
3:52 Builder Grade and Accesability
4:20 Considering Goodman?
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Purchased: August 2023 - still works GREAT!I th-cam.com/users/postUgkxxsUnXhGsSJLim_XnMHyQK0u3XVaW-CGn live in a studio and during the summer it gets scorching hot - really old building with no ac units. I can’t express how EASY it was to install. This unit has been a life savior during the summer and some days during other seasons where it can still be a bit warm at night. In this small place is my friend, a husky, poodle mix and myself. We need AC - lolI don’t use the dehumidifier option - I’m not sure if it will leak in my house, since I did not install the small draining hose that came with it. May look into it late but I don’t worry about much humidity in the apartment. I don’t understand why the negative reviews since all things mentioned, I personally did not find issues with. Definitely worth it!
hey where did you buy yours online? thanks
no one asked
I Installed 2 Goodman units in my new home 16 years ago. Worked very hard to do correct install. Both have performed without a problem since.
*Great with keeping my 1st floor **Fastly.Cool** . Had a little struggle getting it to sit properly in my small window but once I got it situated it works perfectly.*
No thanks
Absolutely nailed it. Without question it's the installer. The bad part is that it's almost impossible for the average Joe to figure out who is a good installer. After the first four installers that I used to install on homes that I built, I started using the installer that I used from then on. Same with my electric guy, same with my roofer, framer, basement/flatwork, and finish trim.
I have two (2.5 and 3 ton) Goodman GSX16’s in my shop that were installed about 4 yrs ago with matching uncased coils on my Williamson furnaces. So far they have been great, they are very quiet condensers. Surprisingly economical to run also.
Thanks for the feedback Gary. We have had success with their equipment as well. It does it's job if installed correctly.
Thanks
Thanks very much for your work and website info. I own a three bedroom home in SW Ohio and I had a 92% Janitrol furnace installed in 1996 - gas furnace with a/c - both Janitrol products. The system is STILL running strong, all I do is keep the outside condensor unit clean and the furnace clean including duct work and filtering system. I have also removed the flame sensor before and cleaned it and now it is still working well. Installation is an important element and it means so much to get it right. Thanks again for your videos and information.
Thank you for your kind words!
In 2011, I replaced my (2) 47 yo systems with 2 Goodman 2.5 ton 12 SEER units...from circuit breakers to cutoffs, to air handlers, etc...everything. I had 3 modifications made: Larger filter boxes, TXVs and sight glasses with moisture detectors installed. Otherwise the systems were as simple as possible...single stage, no WiFi controls, etc. I watched the installations VERY carefully (I have a license) and the tech did a very good job. This is absolutely CRITICAL! There is only ONE way to do a system installation and each of many small details is vitally important to longevity. MANY installations are not correctly done and failures result. Unfortunately they are often attributed to the equipment. Consumers simply don't know. As to "maintenance", I do nothing at all except keep the area around the condensers clean, check the condenser coils to be sure that air flows freely ( do not use harsh cleaners and NEVER chlorine around any aluminum coils). I never allow "annual checkups" or any such things. I do check supply and return temps as general indicators of function. That's it. If I could change anything about the systems I have it would be thicker steel for the cases. However they show no signs of wear. They sit on isolators to protect them from contact with the concrete pad. If you want added "insurance" for your systems, keep a spare start/run capacitor handy so you won't become a victim of "cap bandits".
Some good advice. I’m not sure I agree they are free of maintenance but sounds like you know what you’re doing 🙂
@@NewHVACGuide Maintenance = keeping the condenser coils reasonably clean, area around the units free of debris and shaded, if possible, filters clean and healthy environment for coils, but not attaching and detaching gauges to functioning systems. That's just creating problems. The key to a happy relationship with AC systems is meticulously correct installation. And very often that's not done. Oh, and if you're foolish enough to have unnecessary electrical gadgets added to your system, install a surge suppressor, too. And don't run them during lightning storms. I cut the power to them.
@@wholeNwon I keep hearing how critical the install is. I’m currently debating Goodman or RUUD 3.5 ton 14-15 seer systems. AC and 80k BTU gas furnace. Goodman $2700, RUUD $3600. Install is $600. First, which equipment would you buy? Second, what particular critical aspects of the install can I watch closely and ensure are done well? Thanks
@@andrewcash3855 I know nothing about the offerings of various makers any more. Considering the price difference, what appeals to you about the Ruud system?
Will the same tax credits, if any, apply to both? I never had to deal with hot air furnaces, just boilers. Personally, I specified Copeland scroll compressors. I think Ruus uses a different maker (Paloma?). I kept my systems as simple as possible...single stage...and that worked for my house. If you're putting in a heat pump, you'll have to do more research. I'm happy with my Goodman systems so far (just 10 yrs).
As to installation: All brazing must be done under nitrogen. Technique must be good. Learn how, if you don't know. Sharp bends in lines should be avoided. I would install sight glass with moisture detector and put it inside rather than outside. When plumbing complete, the system must be evacuated and that might take a long time. The humidity was high when mine were done and the pump was left running for almost 16 hr. Then the manometer was watched for another 8+ hr. before charging. After running, confirming proper function, valves and joints again checked for leaks. When gauges were connected, hoses should have been filled with fresh refrigerant first. In my case, one Schrader core was replaced. All plastic caps were replaced with bronze.
Makers provide installation instructions. Read them for specific details. I have a large concrete pad for the units but had each placed on plastic, too, to prevent case contact with the concrete. You don't want the coating to ever be scratched anywhere. Never completely cover the outside cabinet in the winter. I use split tennis balls and a piece of plywood weighted down to protect mine from tree debris when the AC season is over. Good luck.
@@wholeNwon - Good stuff!
Goodman builds their systems with common components which are readily available, and mass produced by 3rd party manufacturers to Goodmans specs. You can find repair parts from just about any supplier when you need them. Some of the other companies make OEM parts that you have to purchase from them which increases the profit for them and cost to you.
The last 2 units I had on my home were Goodman packaged units, the first unit lasted 16 years, and the one I just replaced lasted a little over 14 years, the first unit only had a bad contactor and a bad run cap during its 16 year life, the other unit's only issue was a pin hole in the accumulator which wouldn't have occurred if the grommet that it was seated into the base with hadn't dry rotted. Goodman warrantied the part but not labor and the cost new refrigerant, trying to find an honest contractor that had any intent on doing the warranty repair on my then 7 year old unit instead of trying to quote me a new system was another story, but certainly not Goodman's fault. I did get the part replaced and it never had an issue for another 7 1/2 years. I just had another Goodman installed 2 months ago, they seem to last and hold up in the 8+ months of Florida's 90+ degree days.
He is correct in that 90% of HVAC problems are caused by inexperienced or poorly trained staff. This is where young technicians learn their trade, doing installs and replacements often by making mistakes and running callbacks. The top notch techs are doing commercial work, as it pays more. When you see a Carrier or Trane priced 50% higher, remember the markup is also 50% higher, resulting in more profit to the contractor. Also, Carrier and Trane parts are nearly all OEM, so repairs are much more expensive
I had a used Goodman installed about 15 years ago and the only thing I ever had to fix on it was, replacing the capacitor once and about a week ago I had to replace the fan and went ahead and replace cap also, very good units
We just put in a 4 ton 18 seer two stage compressor that is amazing ! It’s quiet and keeps my two story cold and humidity free! Blue Label did the installation and Bill and his Son Jay were awesome! Lifetime warranty on the Copeland compressor. If it breaks in ten years you get a whole new unit not just a new compressor! You can’t beat that and we couldn’t be happier especially since Goodman is made down here in Houston.
That’s awesome!
Can you tell me for how much they installed? I need to replace my ac.
Still running well?
100% agree on the assesment, its the good, proper installation process that makes a system last, plus of course the owners responsible interactions with their system ( checking the basics and obvious, inside filters replacement, outside condenser location and condenser itself cleanliness, no leaves, no debris , no tall grass growing the sides of the outside unit blocking the airflow). Most problem is, hard to find or look for really good installers on where we live, can be done by trial and error on different a/c servicers, and then you stick to that tech guy,.. thank you so much for your so informative videos, that helps us informed on dos and dont's , and in turn helps us extend the life of our a/c system, when most of us can't just afford to have a new one right away...
My Goodman had been running without issue for 8-9 years or so. My first install. 1.5 ton unit. Super cold and inexpensive. It paid for itself about 4 times by now.
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You hit on everything I've encountered with Goodman. Installed properly they are a nice unit to install for people that don't need or want or can afford all the bells and whistles. Problem is when you buy them and have your mechanic Uncle who does auto a/c every day install it. When a young or old couple financially struggling needs a/c and heat it's a great option. Just do it correctly.
Exactly
Not in your area but in NC. Love the information you are sharing. I am looking to replace a 20 year unit and I find your videos very informative.
Thank you!
Let me know how it goes!
i bought a Goodman furnace 6 yrs ago, to replace the old Carrier furnace unit that came with the house. has had no issues since. just replaced the coil and condenser with Goodman this past spring, works great. i used to do HVAC, and installed it myself.
Single stage, 2 stage, or variable?
I have a 2 ton GSX16 14 Seer with a 2.5 evaporator coil and it runs beautiful. Cools my house down really fast. Very efficient. My hydro bill has never been lower. Very satisfied with Goodman. My Janitrol 2 ton before my Goodman lasted 24 year's without one problem.
I’ve installed a few Goodman AC’s and they are good units. He’s right it’s all about who installs the unit.
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im in San Antonio, Texas. High demand for new systems, very hard to get a quality install. it's like rolling the dice. especially in summer when attic temperatures are 130 and installer get paid by the job.
@@r2gmail620 use beluga air!
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My Goodman was installed in a newly built home five years ago and it performs beautifully
Awesome pal!
@@NewHVACGuide I recommend Goodman for the price and performance
Me too
Nothing wrong with Goodman. In fact, I really like the GSX16 condenser, GMVC80 furnace, and coil that I just installed. Our electricity use has really dropped. I notice that our HVAC runs a lot less and the variable speed fan in the furnace does a great job of removing the humidity.
Yeah if they’re installed correctly, they work very well.
100 percent true! Homeowner here. Had a Goodman installed 7 years ago to replace the system at that time. The NEW unit had a really bad compressor bang on startup. Had installer come out muliple times to resolve. After about the third time out, he told us that was the way it worked. He stopped taking our calls. So we lived with it until we hired another service company. Not sure what they did, but no more banging on startup.
Awesome!
Strongly agree. At my former new house my evaporator core failed in 7 years because of poor drainage.
100% correct installation and maintenance is priority . i'm no pro but i'm a construction contractor that installed my own 2.5 heat pump r22 unit and same unit on my brothers house over 25 years ago , both systems . they are running great still and over the years i've only replaced the run capacitors on both.
Thanks pal. Yeah we've had a lot of success with them
I'm glad I found this video - whew. Our furnace has a cracked heat exchanger (and other problems, as diagnosed by multiple repairmen) and we don't have a lot of money. As a matter of fact, it's a Goodman built in 1996. We just bought a used Goodman furnace for $500 from Craigslist, yesterday. The thing was owned by an elderly guy who installed it in 2017 and who had it professionally cleaned every year - the thing looks new. The guy's kids, who inherited the house, were told it was really too small for the 2,200 foot house and wanted to upgrade. I called an installer and he said he wouldn't even install the thing because it was a Goodman. He also said he couldn't believe we paid 500 bucks for the thing. I knew it was a lower end brand, but, I was shocked that this guy wouldn't even install the thing. Like I said, we're replacing a Goodman that is from 1996. Reading the comments and listening to this video I feel a little better. And, we have insurance that pays for repairs.
Thanks! Good luck!
@@NewHVACGuide This dude scared the crap outta me. We'll see what happens. Thanks again for the video.
@@guymerritt4860 Yes sir! Maybe the fact that it was used was a concern too? Either way, for every market that has a guy hating a brand, there's another guy that loves it.
Sounds like a pos installer, any equipment can break down at anytime, other installers calling each other hacks, been doing this 31.yrs, it's not about service anymore
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My Goodman 15 years and still going strong. My Ac Company was Southern Goodman in Richmond Virginia. They have been in business for 25 years. The will be installing my next Goodman system. Also they service it twice a year that's is important for the warranty.
I got two goodman furnace’s in my house that are 19 yrs old and still work great
I agree with what you said about the installers. After I bought a house, I became concerned about its Goodman heat pump. It seems to be hammering. I called a reputable HVAC firm to have it checked out. My suspicion proved correct. There was too much freon, I was told, probably because is shipped with extra (which is OK), and the installer did not bleed that off.
I'd love to hear your advice about how to extend the life of heat pumps. For cooling, for instance, I run mine first thing in the morning when it is still cool out. I chill my house a bit extra by letting it run continuously rather than going on and off. Then I cut it off and let my home coast through the heat of mid-day. For that it helps to have good insulation.
Wow. Your is definitely insulated well to be able to do that
I just installed a 5 ton 16 SEER Goodman condenser with a new 80% GMVC gas furnace. I also replaced the supply plenum. Since I used to work in HVAC, I had no problems installing the equipment myself. I used Stay-Brite 8 to sweat all the copper connections and I was really happy with that product. I was really shocked when I compared our electric usage to last year. Our bill dropped to less than half what we used last summer. Originally, I was leaning towards a two stage system but some HVAC guys told me to avoid that equipment since it can be very expensive to fix if it does break. Also, I noticed that the real-world SEER ratings on the two-stage 5 ton units were not really that much better than the single stage 5 ton units. I suspect that the limit of the 4-5 ton evaporator size has something to do with that.
Interesting. Where in the country are you located?
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I’m in Texas.
Yeah. Stay bright 8
There is some great commentary on the variety of equipment manufacturers. There's also components that set them apart. Trane/American Standard were the industry leader because of the Climatuf/Duration compressor. Presently, all manufacturers employ the scroll compressor which leveled the playing field. Manufacturers now need to improve efficiency in other areas. A proper installation is still vital for a lasting system life.
Good point sir
This information is VERY accurate! I remember the old "Junk a troll", when Goodman took over they went from the worse to the Best. In the Houston area where it gets not just Hot, but Humid too. The Goodman are strong as a rock, and the 95 percent gas furnace is so toasty warm in the winter, with a Lifetime warranty on the heat exchanger, and a dual speed fan. WOW, Goodman is awesome and i have used for 30 years, with excellent comfort.
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Im a big fan. Made in the usa, reliable, anyone can work on them. Very good equipment, heat pumps come with crankcase heaters. SOOO much of the quality comes from the install! Clean the lineset, pull a good vacuum and use nitrogen when brazing. Do that, anything with last you.
Sold Goodman units for 25 years. They used to be great. Then Daikin bought them out. In 2010 they became crap. Not sure if all the problems are Daikin related or if it’s the 410a refrigerant and the micro coils they started using. I wouldn’t sale a Goodman unit to my worst enemy now! With that said, truthfully all units are crap now! Yes, they are more energy efficient but no longevity. If you get 10 years out of one now you should have purchased a lottery ticket at the same time. All this Green Energy bull crap is going to make it where the average person will soon be unable to afford central air!
I've never seen someone explain it better! Following manufacturers / industry standards during installation, is key too both performance & maximum life expectancy of the equipment. I installed mine 10 years ago and am selling it used for what I purchased it for. It's a R22 system and replacing it with another Goodman 16 seer HP Condenser, 96% furnace / dual fuel and coil for $3500. I always replace prior to the warranty expiring, and not because of any major component failure, this will be my third system on this house. I actually have several individuals with 15 year old equipment I installed that have had only typical, motor, capacitor, contactor ,failure.
Thanks!
A 10 year old system isn't worth crap, you got very lucky but I guess there is a sucker born every minute
When I bought my house, it had Goodman HVAC. It was about 15 yrs old. When I sold my house, it was still working like a champ. I sold my house a year ago. The unit is still working fine. I was in my house for 12 yrs. Sooooo. Total age of the Goodman is 28! In the 12 yrs there all I did was replace a cap on the blower motor! No complaints from me.
Wow. That's impressive
@@NewHVACGuide Yes, I thought so. Don’t know what was done to it before I bought the house. But yes, I was impressed.
@@roadboat9216 was it maintained
@@buddy7485 yes reasonably but not meticulously. Cleans coils a couple. Changed out a fan motor cap. Definitely stayed on top of filters.
I completely agree with your comments. The best contributor to a quality system install is the installer. I have installed Goodman units and have never had a callback. But I do a lot of extra things in my installs that help to ensure longevity.
Nice pal. Can I ask what your extras are? We’ve gotten to installing surge protection a lot more. I’m just curious what else you might be offering.
@@NewHVACGuide Liquid line sight glasses, larger Honeywell transformer (with reset breaker) when the low voltage resistance check between conductors suggests the 40va one provided is pushing it, surge protector installed at the condensing unit power disconnect, and recommend one for the main panel in all cases.
@@NewHVACGuide how much does a 4 ton good man cost
Are you in the Pittsburgh area?
Great video. I put in a Goodman immediately upon purchase of my home back in 1999. I replaced with another Goodman in 2003. I’m in Florida and it ran ALL THE TIME. Lasted 19 years. I believe it IS the Installer. I’m using the same AC guys and service my system spring and fall with them. Only a few issues and that was due to the slime buildup in the pipe that created an overflow of the pan. My AC guy showed me how to mainline that line to eliminate this issue. So far my 2nd Goodman has been doing great!
What size
@@buddy7485 mine is a 3 1/2 ton with the handler in the attic.
That slime build up is mega common in FL,, I have had ac drain issues in all my FL homes , simple fix but still lil annoying lol
@@gfdia35 yep. Hook a shop vac on one end with duct tape and pour some vinegar down the drain. Cleans it nicely
I had a Goodman gszh50421 installed last year when my 12 year old Carrier (installed when my home was built) went through a compressor and a blower motor. So far, so good. The only different I've seen is that my indoor humidity level is a bit higher with the Goodman. Where the Carrier would keep the house between 35-42 percent humidity, the Goodman usually has the house between 46-52. Other than that, it's been a great unit and pumped out great cold air, even in the hot Florida sun. I hired a company that's been doing installs in our area for many years, family owned, and highly recommended. I pay for their semi-annual service/mx program, and it came with a 10 year parts warranty, and for an additional 800 dollars or so, a 10 year labor warranty to go along with that, so I'm very pleased. I totally agree sir, it's all about the installer, and keeping her maintained. Great video and great advice.
I bought a new Goodman 16 seer system in 2015 and new air handler no problems love this system get a reputable installer.
Nice! In 2015, 16 SEER was probably pretty high!
You are 100% spot on with the installation advise. We replaced our condenser (only) unit less than five years ago, on a tight budget, and used Stan in a van. Due to repeated issues with the "less than five year old condenser unit," we have been looking at replacing everything with a Trane and struggled with the decision all weekend. We've now decided to replace the coils via warranty and have a new multi-position air handler installed instead. And we are using a local repairman who has over 35 years of experience and has Goodman at his own home! Thank you for taking the time to do these videos!
Mercedes breaks down…ALOT. I’d rather have a Honda or Toyota of the HVAC industry.
I made a mistake in 2010. Had a Goodman HVAC in stalled for my 1100 s/f condo. Also had the wrong guy do it. It was a high efficiency unit yet it was not drawing goo it. 12 years later the heat exchanger was toast. Spent over $5,000 for a new carrier unit and still use the Goodman A/C condenser.
I worked for an HVAC Wholesaler and we sold Goodman. I used Goodman on my own homes and since 2004 haven’t had a single issue. The failures I saw had to do with bad installations and practices. Since we no longer use R22 old school contractors who don’t pay attention to drying out the refrigerant lines will have premature failures. Many failures also occur from poor airflow and wrong sizing. Although I worked for a Wholesaler I was in the HVAC trade first and stayed current on the best practices, you would be surprised how many contractors cut corners which cause most but not all premature failures.
I have installed heating and air in my area for 30 plus years. I have seen first hand on Saturday Comfortmaker Supply House sell equipment out the back door to homeowners. I have seen installers for Home Depot and Lowe's install Rheem that were among the largest hack jobs I have ever seen.
After watching some videos of supposedly experts (no filter dryers, evacuation not to mention no nitrogen purging) what you said makes a lot of sense.
Just subscribed,good video,you said exactly what i tell all my customers,it realy comes down to who installs it,ive installed a ton of goodmans and never had any issues,i say the same the thing they get a bad name because they sell to anybody
Thanks pal. Where are you located?
@@NewHVACGuide near st .louis
Nice
Built our house in Oklahoma in 2006 and installed four Goodman heat pumps, three on the house and one for my shop. Three of those units are still running today. Had to replace one of the house units about two years ago. The new unit (also Goodman) crashed about a year into it's use and practically had to be rebuilt.....new pump and reversing valve. The warranty covered the parts but I got stuck with the labor. HVAC guy told me that the newer units are not of the same quality as the older units. These units are aging and with the escalating economy and the outrageous cost of equipment, I'm really going to have to think about which route I will go as these go down. Hell, maybe go with window units as this stuff is becoming unaffordable.
Thank you so much. This was great.
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Here in SoCal I self installed my 3 ton Goodman GSX HVAC three years ago for $4k total and very happy so far. I removed the old system and physically installed the new one and then found a local tech to do the brazing, install the TXV, vacuum and charge the system. The tricky part is finding the right tech. If you go with a big, franchise name that advertises on the radio then invariably you will be sent someone who gets a commission to sell you something that is highly marked up and you may not even need. Read all the reviews you can, especailly yelp, including their "not currently recommended" reviews. Check BBB, google their phone number, etc. My 33 year old Carrier system drew 3400 watts and the new system draws 2400 watts but, the new unit also operates a few minutes less each hour. Overall, about 40% improvement in cost/efficiency.
Well spoken man! Your videos are great thanks for the hard work and sharing! Goodman is reliable I’m 100% behind them
I just had a Goodman furnace installed right before winter and had to have the repairman come out six times to fix it correctly. They seemed clueless and confused after repair.
Great advice, you are 100% correct. Its 100% about the quality of the installer, not the brand
Goodman= Honda, good price, good value, parts readily available and cheap. Trane= BMW, Lennox= Mercedes.....paying for the name, parts hard to come by and expensive to buy, and maintain.
Thanks pal
@@NewHVACGuide I recognized the company, I actually think you have done work with us at Motili
Yes sir! We’ve talked on the phone a bunch
@@NewHVACGuide I thought so! Great videos, great work, keep it up!
thanks for the video. helped me making my big decision coming up.
You’re welcome. Good luck!!!
This is great stuff I wish I knew a year ago. I have had a headache with a goodman for the last year and I suspect the installation was bad somehow. Knowing the installer only sells Goodman told me a lot I wish I knew before
Sorry to hear pal. Get a good company in there and maybe it’s not all a lost cause. 🙂
@@NewHVACGuide I got a good company in with a fresh install and it is a night and day difference. Thank you for your video
Thanks for demystifying the reputation issues around Goodman. I had never heard of them until I needed to replace my 30 year old Rheem along with an old Quattro furnace--now obsolete. I'm also glad folks commented on your video to share their positive experiences with Goodman brand. We'll see how it goes! Thanks again for being authentic and real with your post!
Thanks!
When you stated, "When we install your equipment, you're not going to have any issues" is over the top. Confidence is good but don't be gaslighting folks.
I meant it more as a testimonial for Goodman. Sorry if I sounded cocky
Totally informative Thank You!
Its always about the qualifications and experience of the installers. "Technician" covers a broad range. I wish we had certified levels in that regard. I'm getting a new Goodman system installed from a well known and very busy HVAC company. They do make an inverter system but the HVAC guy didn't recommend it. He did recommend the 2 stage system. Goodman is also offering a $2020.00 rebate right now on their 2 stage systems. I'm getting a 10 year parts and labor warranty with the Goodman System. I'm getting a 4 ton, 2 stage, 16 seer, gas furnace and AC, communicating system with an ecobee thermostat. No heat pump for me. Hope they do a good job. They have good ratings in my area(Florida panhandle) so we will see.
Sounds good. I wish you good luck. I don’t see anywhere that they offer an inverter system yet. They have communicating systems now. But you have to go to their Amana or Daikin lines to get a true inverter system.
Don't you need a Goodman communicating thermostat to take advantage of the Goodman communicating hardware? I avoided using the Goodman communicating feature and went with a standard programmable Honeywell thermostat. The Goodman thermostats are very expensive and if it fails, I would have to buy another expensive Goodman thermostat and you can't find them at Home Depot. If my Honeywell thermostat fails, I can replace with a thermostat purchased locally for less than $50. I don't have any experience with Ecobee but the HVAC guys on TH-cam don't have a high opinion of Internet thermostats. I installed a Nest Thermostat for one of my elderly relatives after one of her neighbors talked her into buying it. She could not figure out how to use the Nest and hired an HVAC tech to install the Honeywell thermostat that I told her to buy in the first place.
Yes sir. Communicating systems need to stay with communicating hardware. I’m a fan of Honeywell as well. Less bells and whistles but very reliable.
@@picklerix6162 Old school Honeywell here, the old round knob on the wall. Set it and forget it.
I’m in the panhandle too. Currently Goodman gas furnace and condenser coil. Reem classic outdoor unit. I think I’m going to replace it all with new Goodman equipment. 14-16 Seer and 80,000 BTU furnace. Just not sure I’m ready to rule out a heat pump and gain some space back in the garage. What made you decide against it?
My parents recently got a York, despite the reputation of their products, because of the reputation of the installer in the area and all the trouble free installs their neighbors have had over the years. None of the other brands available in the area had reputable installers. Sure there's higher grade options out there, but the quality of the install matters the most.
Definitely. Well said
York had a very good reputation before they went to the microchannel technology. That technology could probably work OK but it's clear that York and other manufacturers did not design the coils to withstand the higher pressures used in R-410a equipment. That's what happens when the bean counters cut back on research and development budgets and new designs don't get tested properly.
We’ve had some bad experiences with them as well.
I got 16 years out of 3 Goodman units, which replaced 3 Carrier units that also lasted 16 years. BUT, I used a licensed and insured local AC company that sells both brands and they services all 6 units throughout their entire life. The Carriers were slightly more reliable over the course of those 16 years.
Awesome!
My 25 year old 5 ton Trane finally gave up the ghost. Going back with a 5 ton Goodman so hopefully it'll last at least 15 years.
My Amana gas package unit was made by Goodman in Fayetteville, TN. I'm on my 21st year with it now and knock on wood, I've only had to clean it yearly. Once, it wouldn't light...the insulation on one of the spark wires had split and it was grounding itself out. I saw this on a dark night...so I taped the split area and it's been working fine ever since...and that was at least 5 years ago.
That's awesome! Make sure you're having the heat exchanger checked as well and don't go to sleep one more night without a carbon monoxide detector in your home!
@@NewHVACGuide Oh don't worry, I bought a CO detector when my last furnace almost poisoned me with a cracked heat exchanger.
I lived in my house for 5 years now And the Goodman unit on my house is original to 1996 when my was built . Still going strong and almost 25 years old 😂 still works great. Heat pump frosts up now . But 25 years old . You can’t complain about that.
You’re definitely getting your money’s worth! 🤣
Yeah but whats your monthly bill in summer on that old system
I'm buying a Goodman system on the Internet and have my mother-in-law install it.
Awesome!
The installer is more important than the brand. In the past I had a licensed pro install several units that failed after a few years. So DIY me learned how to do it ten years ago and saved tons of money and only one failure (a used oversized cheap condenser that I learned on).
Thx info. Surely I agree people give GM bad name, like cheap built, thin metal. Nice to hear from experienced folks. I like 2 stage system.
Thanks!
Be very wary in buying a Goodman AC. Had one install in 2018. The first original coil lasted only one year. Then the second coil lasted maybe close to 3 years untill it started to leak too. I had the second coil replaced. Now that new coil is leaking too and needs to be replaced. It only lasted 5 months!!! Yeah they give you a 10 year warranty on the part only, but its not worth the hassle of having to pay every year or two to have coils replaced. The AC repair man told me that goodman have been having a lot of problems with their coils.
Yea i talked with an ac tech said Goodman coils are not much better than my Lennox which has been horrible on coils. Said Carrier was better no issue with coils.
Excellent videos, I have a 7 year old Goodman unit (5 year part warranty) and the evaporator coil is leaking (had to put 3lbs of freon in after 15 months from last service, 2 lbs before that). I'm in southwest Florida, the house is 1550 sq feet, the repair is going to cost $2,000 and a new Trane 3 ton 15.5 straight cool with 8cw electric heat will cost $6,700. My question is what size unit would most efficiently cool my house and what brands are the most reliable and have the best warranty? (neighbor has a very big house and a Champion with 10 year parts and labor). How long can I safely run this unit before I need to worry about oil entering my ductwork. Thanks for any help
So true, I have a Goodman HVAC unit, having issues, 4 days after the warranty expired... I did not call the installers, I tackled this job myself when I started poking around at the install... Talk about a piss poor job! The reason I was having issues to begin with! Not Goodman, the HVAC outfit that installed it. As far as Goodman, the parts are easy to find, and the units are easy to work on.
The installer, I have nothing good to say, and they are still in business, licensed and insured. The crap alone I discovered under the electrical tape... I will fix it myself, warranty or no warranty. If they would have done the job properly the first time... They are not coming back in my house, and they damn sure are not going to get any more of my business. I should have been an HVAC tech, I would own the company by now.
Never too late 🙂
Sorry that happened. I wish you best
My Goodman is 26 years old still blows cold and the heater is always toasty. Svc man says this is the last summer , but I can’t complain . Serviced regularly yearly ….. a couple of minor repairs down through the years and a capacitor replaced . Replacing it next month with another Goodman !
Nice pal!
Which models did you get this time?
I'm in the midwest I like your attitude Goodman gets alot bad raps
My Goodman is going in 20years and it’s on its 2nd compressor ( warranty issue) and like two start capacitors. 117’f for weeks in Az.
Arizona is hot!
@@NewHVACGuide people in hell want ice water…
Installed Goodman For years his reliable equipment
I agree!
Interesting info.
Have a 3.5 ton Lennox unit that has been decent for eight years. Also have a 20 plus year old second floor unit that needs to be replaced. The hvac owner/tech says they have had really good luck with Goodman as the parent company (Diaken) has improved quality control. When they install they rarely, if ever hear back from a customer. This company is also doing a Mitsubishi mini split for us in another area and are factory certified for each brand.
Nothing fancy, single speed 3 ton unit for ac and 80% furnace. The Goodman and Lennox unit are both a little over $6k (about $300 apart the Lennox is a little more expensive). The Goodman has a better warranty with a 2 year compressor and heat exchange replacement at no cost, both have 10 years parts.
From a construction standpoint and cost of future repairs, which unit is better made and less expensive to repair?
Both are 14 SEER
Very informative video.
Thanks from Atlanta, Ga.
I would guess Goodman if you’re comparing Apples to Apples. But every market is different.
@@NewHVACGuide they're both basic systems and the Goodman is $300 plus less (5%) with a better factory full replacement of the heat exchanger or compressor for 2 years.
Thanks for your input.
As many have stated, a proper installation is probably a bigger factor than the difference in brands.
@@donaldwest8130 Yes sir. I wish you good luck
I have a brand new Goodman system that was installed by a reputable company. The problem I’m having is the air handler has been leaking water. I’m suspecting the blower fan is sucking water off the drip pan. Drain lines are good. Have you experienced this before? If the wiring has gotten wet inside th air handler should I insist they replace it due to concerns for failure down the road?
I am in Arizona and HVAC units here are usually on the roof. I have no idea why, it seems like a stupid idea to me.
My Goodman unit is about 11 years old and I have heard they usually only last 9 years here, on average. I had my AC go out on a 120 degree day once, so I looked for a HVAC company on Angie's List (HUGE mistake!!), and the first company to show up to fix it charged me $800 (to replace a capacitor!) and told me that it's on it's last legs and could die permanently at any moment, then talked me into a 5-year maintenance contract for $1000. Since then, they come every few months and I see no "maintenance" being done. They just go up on the roof and after a few minutes come down and tell me the thing is dying and I need to buy another one ASAP for about $25,000.
A motor (not compressor, but a fan) did also die a couple of years ago, and they charged another $800 for that. They made the contract sound like I was going to get discounts, and I stupidly believed them without questioning the guy. Checking with other people, it seems that I am getting screwed at every turn.
How about a video on these scammers, telling people what to look for and what questions to ask? I wish I had someone tell me those things before I got involved with these scumbags. BTW, this unit that was going to die at any moment is working fine 3 years after it was supposed to die.
I have a question, we just got a 16 seer 2.5 ton Goodman AC unit installed. It's louder than our 14 seer we had installed for our downstairs. Is that normal? I feel like it should be more quiet and it almost sounds like something is kind of rattling. Our 14 Seer unit is great and quiet. I'm regretting getting the 16. I had the installers come back the same day to check it and they told me since it is made a little different with coils/condensers it's going to sound different. I'm not buying it or happy. Any input or suggestions?
Hey Josh I have a Goodman ac unit 3.5 ton 13 or 14 seer uses r410a refrigerant 2023 do I need to replace my ac unit and air handler
Goodman is great............keeps me in business. Service calls are non stop for these units.
They all are 🙂
That’s because if the inexperienced or hack installers doing cheap bids/installs.
whatcha think about Goodman dual fuel? my Goodman unit is pushing 20 and i want to take advantage of the new rebates from the inflation reduction bill. i have a outdoor furnace and AC but think dual fuel is the best way to go to save money.
I've purchased my last 3 systems from online wholesalers selling Goodman. I've only done the easy part of ductwork. I have used a good tech to do the technical work as it's not something you want as this guy states... Get someone with this as his lifetime trade to do your work. I have had no problems with the 3 systems I have had installed by a professional HVAC technician.
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2 years later, this video is still helpful
Thanks pal!
I don't want them to be the 42 Chevy I need them to be the Prius. Get the job done with the minimal amount of cost.
Thank you for not being a robot and reading a script. I have had one installed her in TX for a few years and knew nothing about them. Thanks
Thanks pal. I've always wanted to shoot from the hip with every uh as if I'm talking directly to a customer of ours
Yeah i had a old GE...bought out by Tran, all I needed was a replacement motor to run the condenser fan... They wouldn't sell one to me I needed to have a HVAC license (had a friend with a license but not the point), and it was July and they wouldn't get one for 2 weeks 😳. Same problem to other places ended up buying it from Grainger, it cost a third of what everyone else was trying to charge and they even overnighted it free of charge, 2 wire set up, could not be any easier.
Whatever system you get just make sure it's something that is serviceable and that you can get the common parts to fix. I promise you if it breaks down it's going to be when it's the hottest or the coldest and you should be able to get parts for those small emergency issues such as fuses, motors, flame sensors...etc. I understand that some repairs you should be licensed to... The many of them you can do yourself, it is literally not rocket science.
Daikin and Goodman make the most reliable systems if installed correctly
They work great
So many people put down Goodman. Sure Trane or more expensive units might have an easier to open access door or a blower that's takes 5 minutes less time to replace, but to me it's $5000 vs $10,000 and after 10+ plus years, if something goes wrong with either system, most services techs will say "It's time to replace"... So why pay the extra money?
That’s a good point.
Most A/C techs will say to replace the equipment (10+ yrs), even when there is nothing wrong with the old equipment. The techs are under heavy pressure to sell equipment and it's not uncommon for them to lie to homeowners. That's why most homeowners have little trust in A/C repairmen. Only used car salesmen have a worse reputation.
The Trane dealers always seem to do a quality job when installing their equipment but their equipment is overpriced in my opinion.
I installed Goodman in my home but I wanted to install Rheem. I just couldn't find a 21" Rheem evaporator coil to fit in my small utility closet. All of the Rheem dealers that I called, they only stocked the 24" coil. Also, A/C techs report that the Rheem N evaporator coil is very hard to clean.
My advice is to avoid the expensive, esoteric HVAC equipment. More complexity means more breakdowns and higher repair costs. Goodman makes some good equipment and their equipment is usually easy to fix and parts are available and not outrageously priced. Remember, simpler is better.
@@picklerix6162 EXACTLY what happened to us. Tech asked how old our Goodman was & when I told him 11 years; he immediately went into how it needed to be replaced & how it was only a matter of time before it had to be replaced. They lost us as customers & we're researching for HONEST & REPUTABLE Techs. I wouldn't put it past them to deliberately do something to our unit to get it replaced. No sir, we're not calling them back for future repairs.👍👍👍👍👍👍
Unfortunately, that’s how a lot of techs are trained to be
@@Yzabeaux1 Just a sad state of affairs in this day and time especially who to trust and to tell you the truth I may put a hidden camera in my attic when I get my money together to get mine replaced
Very helpful, thank you for sharing! Do you recommend any good installer for Goodman in New Jersey?
I have a GSX 13 AC unit . Should the compressor be buzzing loudly when it runs?
Just found out that Goodman is recalling coil drain pans for Goodman coils mounted on top of high efficiency upflow furnaces. The drain pan can melt and smoke probably due to the location of the burner assembly in high efficiency furnaces, mounted up high, close to the coil. Your drain pan should be okay if it is installed on an 80% gas furnace.
Thanks!
I"m presently looking at a Goodman, this video eases my concern about it.
Did you end up buying? If so, which model?
@@MrRjnr No. I discovered the HVAC company was dishonest. I had duct work that had fallen and they didn't tell me. I had a reputable company repair all the duct work and everything is ok now.
I have this unit, AC was not blowing cold air. The fan on the unit was on but there was not the familiar buzz of when the compressor is running. I turned everything off, opened the panel. I just wiggled the wires on top of the capacitor. They were not loose but thats all I did. when i turned everything back on, there was not cold air at first, but a few minutes later, cold air was blowing and the outside unit was buzzing with the sound of the compressor. Its been working fine overnight. My question is, should I just change the capacitor anyway or could it be an issue with the compressor itself? how do I figure that out? thanks!
Search youtube for "AC Capacitor replacement, WordofAdvice" It will show how to check for a bad capacitor. You will need a volt meter that can check for capacitance. If you don't have a meter, you may consider buying the capacitor on line and replace it. Bad capacitor is the #1 reason for hvac system NOT working properly.
They aren't bad IMO we started installing them a few years ago. I really like the 2 stage 16 and 18 SEER matchups.
Awesome! Do you like the inverter stuff?
@@NewHVACGuide They rock dude! Super quiet. I’d say the Avptc rivals the fv4 carrier no doubt. The cool cloud is so easy to use. Compared to the 2 stage Carrier system one of my favorites and still my most sold system, I think it’s quieter and easier to set up.
@@GrumblesM4 Nice. We love the Daikin inverter stuff. I'm hoping they come out with a better thermostat than the CTK and Daikin One soon.
Very objective analysis. If Goodman wants to improve their rep, then they need to set some standards on who can purchase and install them. Way too many units have been hacked.
I agree. That’s their main problem.
That not a problem for Goodman, that’s their business model. They are a budget name for people who value price over value, it’s volume not quality what they are after. The quality of a product is not just the product, restricting sales and el requiring certifications cost money, money that you pay when you buy a better product.
I'm a bit more north in PA, and looking at Amana (which I think is the same as goodman) and wanted your thoughts. Was looking at the AMCV96 Furnace and ASX16 Air Conditional paired with the TXV-60 coil; any thoughts or recommendations. Thanks.
I like Goodman if installed properly. However, I recommend finding a contractor that gives you the warm fuzzies and go with what they recommend and sell in your local market. :-)
I had a Goodman Authorized dealer install a new Goodman heat pump to replace a 20 year old Trane SEER 10. It was way less efficient than the Trane and electric bill on average went up 20%. The compressor made a loud clank each time the unit kicked on. The first winter it stopped heating. Bad board and was not defrosting. Second year, another component went out. In the third year, loud bang and unit shuts down, compressor has a hole in the side. Warranty covers parts but labor for Goodman making a defective unit is not covered. Goodman authorized service fixed it each time and parts were free but labor and refrigerant for 3 years of repairs nearly $1600. Goodman contacted over problems and did not offer any help with an obvious defective unit from factory. Goodman servicer said he has more calls on Goodman than any other unit.
Sounds like the problem may have been the installer.
@@NewHVACGuide I don't know how two bad components and a bad compressor could be the fault of the installer. Goodman may well be a very good brand and I may have just gotten a lemon. After the compressor and two other components were replaced, it has been running for 4 years without a problem. If it was an install issue, I would still be having issues.
The defrost board was a known issue with this heat pump. The Goodman service rep even told me the defrost circuit board had problems and Goodman put out a technical to replace with new part #. The compressor made a clanking noise from day 1 until it blew out. My problem is Goodman just blew me off and did not offer any assistance other than to recommend another authorized service provider, which I used the last 2 times. The Goodman service provider told me the same thing you were stating about bad installations and did a complete check of the system to make sure there were no problems with installations. He told me they contacted Goodman because he believed the compressor was a factory defect but Goodman would not cover the cost of the R410a.
Thank you for 'selling' me on Goodman. Onto Carrier; which the transportation industry (refrigerated trailers) uses. By the way, I bought a Mercedes because I did not want a Ford, GM, or Dodge.
I really don’t know how to respond to that. I could care less what brand car you drive or what brand heating and air unit you use
You still bought a piece of crap...you just paid more for it...lol
Great content. How much does it cost to install 2 tons goodman vs Lennox?
I’m glad that some people think these are good, because one of my two units is pure crap! The control circuit board failed after less than five years. A year later, the cooling coils inside suffered irreparable leaks. There’s a reason why these things have bad reviews, and I’m finding out why myself now.
Wow. Sorry to hear that pal.
Also use stay bright 8 hold good on 410 systems easy just as good as brazing in my opinion😊