@@eddie7167The entire UK public network, including underground and local tram services, uses the Stephenson gauge (4' 8.5") which is one of the most commonly used in the world. The London Underground is also powered by an electrified third central rail that runs between - hence it cannot move on its own power here. The floor of the trains are also lower than regular overground services to accommodate the limited tunnel height.
Soon to be on the Piccadilly line and will the first deep level line to receive free walk through trains like with the sub surface lines but at the same time I will miss the old 1973 Stock memories
@@gtavstepfordcounty1733 the factory he visited is in Goole Humberside where the majority will be assembled this one and the next few are being/have been built in the Siemens Mobility factory in Vienna Austria.
The 73 is still "experimental" would you believe? A quick glance at the reverser barrel will reveal why... there's a position on it that has never been used.
Class 66s are built here in Canada and they look tiny next to North American locomotives. I can't imagine how a tube train would look next to a North American locomotive
Wow wow wow that is quite something. Especially when I have become much more familiar with the station over the years. The most special instance being arriving on one of the last Ghost-trains (December 2022). I will say again wow wow wow that has some special qualities to watch, I have not felt before :)
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 not to forget the bakerloo line shares with london overground queens park to harrow..............west coast mainline areas.......😊
@@rita8684 it does but isn’t used for transfers as depots and access lines further down towards Queens Park are not suitable and Stonebridge Park has limited space. Be interesting when they get new trains in the Bakerloo line if they come via Neasden, West Ruislip or indeed The Old North London line.
Like all new trains nowadays 5ere is a lot of work that’s been done and is still to be done before these new trains get out and about in the full network.
Not sure what to make of the coach with no bogie one thing to have one bogie supporting the end of a coach but to have a coach only Relying on the support of the coach would that not put to much stress on the frames and such If someone knows more about it would love to lean more and its an interesting concept
@@brickleyyard4966 Google Jacob’s style Bogies should help you with the technical side of it. They have been around for some time now and are a proven design.
It's because the air conditioning units are placed under the carriage on the floating train cars (only place they can fit them). There's no room for "normal" bogies. Since the AC unit is under the carriage, there are air ducts going up the sides of the carriage to the ceiling, which explains why the windows are bit smaller too (to give enough room for the air ducts).
@@paulconner9354 nothing to do with cost cuts, these are the most expensive tube trains ever. But the new design allows the fitting of the air conditioning equipment underneath. Being tube stock as opposed to surface stock there is nowhere else to fit it.
Not all cars are the same length, they have 5 long carriages and 4 short ones. Length wise it’s only slightly longer than the existing 7 car trains on the central/jubilee lines
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 OK I rewatched this multiple times and my confusion came from the fact that every 2nd segment appears to be "floating", as in suspended in mid air without bogeys underneath, held up by the two carriages next to them 1 2 3 4 5... -o----o- ------- -o----o- ------- -o----o- This is the best way I can show what I mean
I'm surprised it wasn't hit when it was still in Germany. Every other train arrives completely bombed over there. One time I got an ICE (the fastest DB train) from Frankfurt to Cologne and when we came off the high speed line, waiting for a platform, we were slowly overtaken by an S Bahn (the slowest DB train) with a massive cartoony middle finger painted on the side.
There is a connection at the rear of West Ruislip Depot between the 2 . If you look on google maps you will see a turn back siding on the Met/Pic line.
@@NirateGoel not unless you have someone on the inside. It’s also worth taking into account that when they do have oaths in for delivery they don’t always run. This first one was originally due a couple of weeks ago.
@@seanohalloran0 Oh, are the brakes on the new trains cut out? Actually, were these going to be the first trains to omit the train air brake and go electric-only?
I’ve posted a second video up of 66718 taking it from the mainline headhunt into West Ruislip LUL depot. There is also another connection at the other side of the depot that’s electrified and connects to the Metropolitan/Piccadilly line tracks at Ruislip
It was there to save running round both at Wembley and Ruislip ( the train came up from Dollands Moor with 66718 leading and went to Wembley European before coming back out to Ruislip with 66798 leading. Then once in the head shunt at Ruislip 66718 was leading again)
Is it still a train if it can't be split? It's like a bendy bus on rails. Nothing wrong with bendy buses... I suppose underground passenger stock has 'One Job'.
@@tantaf123 not that simple, you have to look at gauge clearance, signalling etc… and then you have to look at engineering and driver training. Once all that’s taken into account these trains are only a year younger than the Bakerloo lines 72 stock.
then what’s going to happen to the 73 stock? Ideally they’ll most likely be RATs. I’m surprised they replaced the Piccadilly line trains and not the Bakerloo. Probably because the Piccadilly is busier.
@@tantaf123 My guess is once these trains are running fully on the picc after a year of testing, TfL can maybe then have more on order to replace the 72ts. It would have to be modified of course since tunnel gauging differs per line and also subject to funding received for it. Can only wait and see at this point 👌
There are several links around the underground network where trains can transfer between lines. In the case of The Piccadilly line there is a connection at the back of West Ruislip depot (where this unit was delivered to) that connects directly onto the Metropolitan/Piccadilly line. West Ruislip serves as the connection between the underground and the mainline which is why new train deliveries are made to West Ruislip depot.
@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Do the GBRF diesels venture onto LU trackage to complete the delivery to the depot? I looked at the area on Google Maps satellite view to find the connecting track, and even though that move would be all non-revenue trackage that would still make for a curious sight given the size disparity (I imagine some sort of LU MOW equipment would take over to bring the train onto their trackage but I'm not in a position to know, being on the other side of the Atlantic 😅 )
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Thanks Dave. I had a look on a map and spotted that line - neat. However it got me wondering about other lines. The sub-level lines are quite easy given shared track etc, but I couldn't find any obvious place for the Northern Line or indeed Victoria Line (which stays underground).
@@jimmyhillschin9987 The Northern and Victoria lines both appear to have track connections to the Piccadilly line. The Northern line at King's Cross, the Victoria line at Finsbury Park.
In case that's a serious question, it won't. The two diesel locomotives and the barrier wagons were just delivering the new train. Once it's on the electrified track of the Underground depot they can be uncoupled.
They're not Jacobs. Jacobs bogies are shared between two carriages. The IMs (intermediate cars) have no bogies at all, they are just suspended between the carriages either side which have regular bogies,
Lovely to see new stocks, but I have the feeling not too long these trains will be vandalised by spray paint etc, I wished that makers of the trains come up with away that spray paint or other items used to vandalised trains and freight units, the paint the painted on the locomotives make had for these items to stick to it, so once it been washed or it is raining the vandalism just washes off without any chemicals being used, as it not nice to see and I sure visitors to this country will look disgusting to see a brand new train all ready been vandalism with paint etc
No it is West Ruislip. It has the connection with the mainline as shown in the videos and also another connection that’s electrified and connects to the Met/Pic line at Ruislip
Really shows how tiny deep-level tube trains are compared to full-size trains.
And that's fullsize British trains. Compared to most other countries, they still are tiny.
@@Quasihamster good point, Ive seen a via renaissance and a F40ph side by side, the F40s are TOWERING.
Never realised they could run on the same tracks
@@eddie7167The entire UK public network, including underground and local tram services, uses the Stephenson gauge (4' 8.5") which is one of the most commonly used in the world. The London Underground is also powered by an electrified third central rail that runs between - hence it cannot move on its own power here. The floor of the trains are also lower than regular overground services to accommodate the limited tunnel height.
@@eddie7167all trains run on standard gauge
GBRF really did a great job delivering the 2024 stock, it really matches with the LTM's special livery!
@@Transport11233 joint effort all round to make it happen between GBRf, LUL,Siemens and Network Rail.
Indeed!
Nice catch. They look so small next to the Class 66 locomotive.
Soon to be on the Piccadilly line and will the first deep level line to receive free walk through trains like with the sub surface lines but at the same time I will miss the old 1973 Stock memories
Geoff did a video on a test train on his channel you can see it there
He was in the factory as they were working on the next one@@Kandlelite
@@gtavstepfordcounty1733 the factory he visited is in Goole Humberside where the majority will be assembled this one and the next few are being/have been built in the Siemens Mobility factory in Vienna Austria.
@@shacarioking5149 Bakerloo line badly needs new stock
The 73 is still "experimental" would you believe? A quick glance at the reverser barrel will reveal why... there's a position on it that has never been used.
You caught this so I didn’t miss out. Thank you for your time. Hope you enjoyed yourself. Had a good time and are excited for the future
Excellent capture their Dave. Thanks for sharing and hope you have a great day
Oh, I can smell the paint and fresh seats from here!
those floating intermediate carriage unnerve me haha
I hadn't noticed that before... It's an interesting choice for sure.
i think that they fit the air conditioning unit under there
That is one of the reasons for the choice of bogies so that the air conditions equipment can be fitted.
Awesome catch! They look tiny compared to a 66
@@PurplesTrainsUK thanks mate
Class 66s are built here in Canada and they look tiny next to North American locomotives. I can't imagine how a tube train would look next to a North American locomotive
@@OntarioTrafficManLondon Tube stock trains look big when compared to Glasgow ones!
Wow wow wow that is quite something.
Especially when I have become much more familiar with the station over the years. The most special instance being arriving on one of the last Ghost-trains (December 2022).
I will say again wow wow wow that has some special qualities to watch, I have not felt before :)
Great to see the new Tube stock close up. Excellent video. 👍
Great video, and how good to see the special livery on 66718 !
Beautiful catch! 😃
That 66 on the back looks great 😊
It does indeed, the next video has it up close and there’s another one of it in Southampton if you search the loco number
Always wanted to see where the mainline rails connect to the underground.
Most hand overs are done at West Ruislip but the Metropolitan via Amersham has been used in the past as well.
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 not to forget the bakerloo line shares with london overground queens park to harrow..............west coast mainline areas.......😊
@@rita8684 it does but isn’t used for transfers as depots and access lines further down towards Queens Park are not suitable and Stonebridge Park has limited space. Be interesting when they get new trains in the Bakerloo line if they come via Neasden, West Ruislip or indeed The Old North London line.
It’s like the trams from Edinburgh with some cars are off the ground
New pic look good but heard they have to re do some signal post during their testing as drivers couldn't see the signals when in a platform
Like all new trains nowadays 5ere is a lot of work that’s been done and is still to be done before these new trains get out and about in the full network.
They look so small compared to standard rail cars 😮
@@jappedut9009 yep, they have to fit inside the small tunnels that were tunnelled out over a 100 years ago
Thanks Dave will do
These look nice. I hope they night test them so I can go and see them
Great catch!
Why do they need the ballast on the trailers?
To make the brakes more effective. With less weight, the wheels may slip.
@@TheRip72more weight increases the brake force, so more stopping power.
Brake force
Corr amazing catch Dave
@@leostrainspotting cheers mate
Very good video Dave, those trains are brilliant and the old stuff gone, hello new stock😃
@@charliethetrainspotter4963 cheers mate
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 your welcome
I'd like to know why the breaks don't work on them when they are under tow. Seems very odd the diesels can't pressurise the tube stock breaks.
the size difference between the class 66 and the new stock is hilarious
That’s the size of all tube stock
Looking forward to the floaty IM experience \m/
When I was doing my GCSEs I went on the bus. Now finally it’s actually happening. Like they advertised on that publicity bus. I got a sharpener
Iconic moment, incredible video
Not sure what to make of the coach with no bogie one thing to have one bogie supporting the end of a coach but to have a coach only Relying on the support of the coach would that not put to much stress on the frames and such
If someone knows more about it would love to lean more and its an interesting concept
@@brickleyyard4966 Google Jacob’s style
Bogies should help you with the technical side of it. They have been around for some time now and are a proven design.
Probably to do with cost cutting as usual
It's because the air conditioning units are placed under the carriage on the floating train cars (only place they can fit them). There's no room for "normal" bogies.
Since the AC unit is under the carriage, there are air ducts going up the sides of the carriage to the ceiling, which explains why the windows are bit smaller too (to give enough room for the air ducts).
@@paulconner9354 nothing to do with cost cuts, these are the most expensive tube trains ever. But the new design allows the fitting of the air conditioning equipment underneath. Being tube stock as opposed to surface stock there is nowhere else to fit it.
Looking Awesome!!✨
Dang, that thing looks great!
66718 livery is quite special. Didn't know / Recall nine 2024 Stock are nine cars long!
@@tajammulrizvi9504 it is but it’s starting to show its age a bit now
Not all cars are the same length, they have 5 long carriages and 4 short ones. Length wise it’s only slightly longer than the existing 7 car trains on the central/jubilee lines
Those wheel bogeys are so weird i have never noticed that before. The placement isnt that of the jakobs type or the conventional type.
Jacob’s type
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 OK I rewatched this multiple times and my confusion came from the fact that every 2nd segment appears to be "floating", as in suspended in mid air without bogeys underneath, held up by the two carriages next to them
1 2 3 4 5...
-o----o- ------- -o----o- ------- -o----o-
This is the best way I can show what I mean
whats with the concrete blocks at either end ?
@@SeaUsername to provide additional brake force
1:52 what is with the ballast, the concrete blocks: what is the purpose in this train?
to put braking force on the rail.
@@ancythe Thank you.
Required to enable typical braking as the unit is unpowered.
Apparently it's already been hit by graffiti taggers 😒
@@myallhornsby4784 indeed it was attacked on the journey from Dollands moor to Wembley
I'm surprised it wasn't hit when it was still in Germany. Every other train arrives completely bombed over there. One time I got an ICE (the fastest DB train) from Frankfurt to Cologne and when we came off the high speed line, waiting for a platform, we were slowly overtaken by an S Bahn (the slowest DB train) with a massive cartoony middle finger painted on the side.
looks so odd seeing the IM cars with no wheels
I've been waiting 4 years and it's finally happening
How do they get from West Ruislip to the Piccadilly Line?
There is a connection at the rear of West Ruislip Depot between the 2 . If you look on google maps you will see a turn back siding on the Met/Pic line.
That looks so good. Well done to TFL for making this. This looks wonderful. Btw what line is.this train going on?
These are the new trains for the Piccadilly line built by Siemens.
Apparently it had been tagged already
It was indeed, got tagged during the journey through South London
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Real shame
Is there anyway of knowing when further deliverers will take place in advance (before they show up as active on rtt)
@@NirateGoel not unless you have someone on the inside. It’s also worth taking into account that when they do have oaths in for delivery they don’t always run. This first one was originally due a couple of weeks ago.
I'm confused why they needed to carry around ~50 tonnes of concrete blocks too?
helps with braking.
@@seanohalloran0 Oh, are the brakes on the new trains cut out?
Actually, were these going to be the first trains to omit the train air brake and go electric-only?
@@seanohalloran0 the train was unpowered so no brakes
@@someonesomewhere1240 they need additional weight to provide brake force, it’s quite common
Sounds like a break tender.
Where does it go from national rail to underground?
There's an interchange track near West Ruislip Depot, which is also connected to the Piccadilly line.
@@TransferPoint9346 nice thank you
I’ve posted a second video up of 66718 taking it from the mainline headhunt into West Ruislip LUL depot. There is also another connection at the other side of the depot that’s electrified and connects to the Metropolitan/Piccadilly line tracks at Ruislip
Is the extra engine on the rear of this fairly small train for redundancy, or so that they can reverse easily?
i think it may be for extra braking, i’m sure someone will correct me if i’m wrong 😅
@@SB-tp3yw all of the above \m/
It was there to save running round both at Wembley and Ruislip ( the train came up from Dollands Moor with 66718 leading and went to Wembley European before coming back out to Ruislip with 66798 leading. Then once in the head shunt at Ruislip 66718 was leading again)
what is the composition of this train setup here, with the big blocks are they ballast? why is it moving so slowly?
@@SB-tp3yw the blocks are to provide brake force and its slow because it’s coming to a stop and entering the head shunt before moving into the depot.
Because, if you look the other side of the bridge, you can see it's snaking across the points as it's entering the access siding to the depot.
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 thank you
@@neilcrawford8303 thank you
@@SB-tp3yw no problems
Very good, where's the train actually going?
@@rowland5951 into West Ruislip depot and then on to the Piccadilly line once testing etc… is competed
I often ask that question after I've got on one.
Vancouver Skytrain gas been fully automatic for decades..
Strong couplings on the tube to have a loco at each end
Is it still a train if it can't be split? It's like a bendy bus on rails. Nothing wrong with bendy buses... I suppose underground passenger stock has 'One Job'.
@@trs4u basically the same at the S Stock on the surface lines.
So strange to see the intermediate carriages with no obvious "ends", just the accordion pleats at the articulation points
I'm still not sure I understand how the smaller cars just float with no wheels.
They are supported by the coaches on either side
just like in trams
It's so odd seeing the short carriages with no wheels!
@@mauricereed674 that’s the new design and enables fitting of extra equipment like the air conditioning
@davesrailsplanesautos8515 yes, I saw the episode of Secrets of the London Underground. Still looks odd though 😉
Didn't show the other side of the train. It was vandalised with graffiti 😡
Unfortunately or fortunately I was on the clean side but there are videos online showing it and also one of it close up inside Ruislip depot.
They could always just give the 1973 stock to the bakerloo line
@@tantaf123 not that simple, you have to look at gauge clearance, signalling etc… and then you have to look at engineering and driver training. Once all that’s taken into account these trains are only a year younger than the Bakerloo lines 72 stock.
then what’s going to happen to the 73 stock? Ideally they’ll most likely be RATs. I’m surprised they replaced the Piccadilly line trains and not the Bakerloo. Probably because the Piccadilly is busier.
@@tantaf123 My guess is once these trains are running fully on the picc after a year of testing, TfL can maybe then have more on order to replace the 72ts. It would have to be modified of course since tunnel gauging differs per line and also subject to funding received for it. Can only wait and see at this point 👌
@@Bvetube101 Bvetube? It’s really you! lol
Good idea , since the 72s have motors that sound like they are from the 30s.
Why are they carrying two wagons with weights on them?
@@cameronrussell7679 they provide the additional brake force that’s required
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 aaaa thank you, is that because the underground trains aren’t connected to the brakes for the class 66?
How do they get the carriages onto the Piccadilly Line? Where's the link?
There are several links around the underground network where trains can transfer between lines. In the case of The Piccadilly line there is a connection at the back of West Ruislip depot (where this unit was delivered to) that connects directly onto the Metropolitan/Piccadilly line.
West Ruislip serves as the connection between the underground and the mainline which is why new train deliveries are made to West Ruislip depot.
@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Do the GBRF diesels venture onto LU trackage to complete the delivery to the depot? I looked at the area on Google Maps satellite view to find the connecting track, and even though that move would be all non-revenue trackage that would still make for a curious sight given the size disparity (I imagine some sort of LU MOW equipment would take over to bring the train onto their trackage but I'm not in a position to know, being on the other side of the Atlantic 😅 )
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Thanks Dave. I had a look on a map and spotted that line - neat. However it got me wondering about other lines. The sub-level lines are quite easy given shared track etc, but I couldn't find any obvious place for the Northern Line or indeed Victoria Line (which stays underground).
@@jimmyhillschin9987 The Northern and Victoria lines both appear to have track connections to the Piccadilly line. The Northern line at King's Cross, the Victoria line at Finsbury Park.
@@jimmyhillschin9987 Northern connects with Piccadilly at Kings Cross. Victoria connects with Piccadilly at Finsbury Park.
How will the loco fit in the tunnel?
In case that's a serious question, it won't. The two diesel locomotives and the barrier wagons were just delivering the new train. Once it's on the electrified track of the Underground depot they can be uncoupled.
@@johnm2012 Ex second man... Hither Green depot/passed fireman... Waterloo 👉🙄👈❗❗❗
@@alexmarshall4331 So you should be the one answering dumb questions instead of asking them.
@@johnm2012 👉🙄👈👉🤔👈❗❗❗
@@alexmarshall4331 the mainline locos don’t go into the tunnels.
Dale Charmans Train
It’s already got graffiti on💀
Where?
It got tagged in south London on the way up to Wembley yard from Dollands Moor.
Excellent video my friends 😊awesome 😮Greeting 🙋 from Argentina 🇦🇷 suscribete
Thank you very much!
People fit in there?
Please may I use this video for an upload (I’ll give credits if you would like)
So long as it’s credited and you send me a link I’m fine with that.
Thanks
David
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 alright thank you! (Should I credit in the description or..)
@@A-Brblx yeah the descriptions is good
What a weird configuration these trains have, they will be very distinctive to other tube rolling stock
This is the new design going forward. It shares its design from the Siemens Inspiro units
Le porte di questo treno sono uguali al Vivalto
The new trains are built by Siemens Mobility and are part of the Siemens Inspiro family so you will recognise similarities
Seems everything has jacobs bogies these days.
They're not Jacobs. Jacobs bogies are shared between two carriages. The IMs (intermediate cars) have no bogies at all, they are just suspended between the carriages either side which have regular bogies,
@@powerslide12 Either way it seems popular these days to ditch the traditional layout.
Made on the continent, before the next stock from Goole?
Still more to come from Austria before Goole built units
Technically speaking none of them are built in the UK. They’re only being assembled here but the parts were all built in Vienna
Wow, the are sick
Lovely to see new stocks, but I have the feeling not too long these trains will be vandalised by spray paint etc, I wished that makers of the trains come up with away that spray paint or other items used to vandalised trains and freight units, the paint the painted on the locomotives make had for these items to stick to it, so once it been washed or it is raining the vandalism just washes off without any chemicals being used, as it not nice to see and I sure visitors to this country will look disgusting to see a brand new train all ready been vandalism with paint etc
@@rhock1979 having travelled around lots of Europe and North America I can tell you they have the same issues as us with tagging😡
Ten years late, but never mind. Let's all cheer that they never developed the Siemens Evo concept, or as I like to call it, the Dildo Train.
Luxury train
Well. That was almost interesting.
West Ruislip? wrong line mate
That particular depot has a connection to the Piccadilly line.
@@TransferPoint9346 ... *whoosh*
No it is West Ruislip. It has the connection with the mainline as shown in the videos and also another connection that’s electrified and connects to the Met/Pic line at Ruislip
It does at the rear which is also electrified
@@davesrailsplanesautos8515 Yeah it was a jo... never mind.
looks nice now unfortunatly trashed within weeks of passenger service :(
Trashed? Why?
@@johnm2012some knob graffiti'd it in the depot
It's already in passenger service?
It wasn’t attacked in the depot. It was tagged in South London while on route to Wembley yard from Dollands Moor
@@Pomeranc470no but this train was tagged while on its journey to the depot…a sign of things to come when they enter service
The cab doors look awfully small , how will an overweight driver get in.?
If "Twiggy" Ward can drive a 73, all things are possible. 😄
It's missing half its wheels
Not it isnt, it's on Jacobs bogies
NO ITS NOT !!!
@@XNick291X Surely Jacobs bogies are shared between 2 coaches as was used on the LNER in the 1930s. These coaches have no wheels.
That’s the new design so as to allow room for the additional equipment like air conditioning.
And to make them as light as possible @@davesrailsplanesautos8515