12th Doctor: “Listen. Question. Why do we talk out loud when we know we're alone? Conjecture. Because we know we're not. It could be with us every second and we would never know. How would you detect it, even sense it, except in those moments when, for no clear reason you choose to speak aloud? What would such a creature want? What would it do? Well? What would you do?”
He gets defeated by being thrown into the time vortex. If we're saying he was defeated by the method if it happening, let's do it to other villains. In series 2, the daleks and cybermwn were defeated by levers. In series 4, the daleks were defeated by flicking some switches. In series 5, the Doctor saved the universe by having a nice sit down. In series 6, the Doctor and river saved time with a make out session. In series 10, the Doctor stopped the cybermen by just flicking his sonic In series 12, the cybermen and the master were defeated by pressing a button
@@mrdr0161Think the point is we saw Sutekh drop the Doctor to his knees in agony with some sort of green light energy but then choose not to use that power because Ruby put a lead on him.
Mrs. Flood breaks the 4th wall…. So she wearing past companion outfits is a nod that she is aware of the doctor and all of his/her companions. Hence why “clever boy” was said while wearing the “Clara” outfit.
Must be the meddling monk then, only a new incarnation that tells the audience it's bed time. Where's the teddy bear? Monk had said "clever boy" as well. Or it's a red herring.
My daughter pointed out that her outfit at the end looks VERY much like an outfit Romana wore, companion to the 4th! Doctor and a Time Lady herself, it might tie in nicely…she might have been waiting all that time to help the doctor and ensure everything was set up to be able to defeat Sutekh
The WHOLE "Key To Time" series (season 16) features Romana I and both (?) guardians - The "White Guardian" shows up in the Tardis and gives the Doctor the quest for acquirering the 6 parts to the Key to Time, along with his new Time Lord companion Romanadvoradlundar, who herself thought that the council of Gallifrey had appointed her to this mission. Later the Doctor deducts that the "White Guardian" might be just the "Black Guardian" hiding his true colours - because the princess, that made one part of the key, should stay in her "key-state" instead of being reverted into her own self, after rightening the imbalance of the universe... The Doctor breaks up the key and scatteres its parts again, which makes the "Black Guardian" so angry, he wants to kill him (as 5th with the help of Turlough). The Doctor hits the randomizer, to hide his tracks from an evil higher being: So all the travels with the Tardis become quite "random" after that season... Romana I regenerated "out of fancy" into Romana II (Mary Tamm being fed up with her co-star) - very vague reasons, maybe the "Guardian" made her change her looks and triggered a unseen bi-generation, keeping Romana I for himself and letting Romana II travel with the Doctor?
My stepdad said it could be Romana but also her being trapped in E Space along with the fact she seemed like more of a villainous character im not too sure
But why did it snow storm in the future dna test scene when Mrs. Flood was turned into dust😅 I also thought that the snow was her doing until that scene
That's what I thought too: that the fourth wall breaks are because she rules over storytelling. I also assumed there was a water motif clue with the name "Flood." Bit of a stretch, but some versions of Saraswati rule over stories, music, and water (anything that flows).
I think she is the god of stories. Perhaps she will be revealed to have been the storyteller of all the Doctor’s stories. She dressed as both Clara and Romana so I think we will see her dressed up as other past companions next season. I think she might have ties to the Land of Fiction, perhaps she will reveal that’s where the Doctor has been all along. But I definitely think we will see her narrating and possibly controlling what happens next season.
Having watched some clips from the Ribos Operation, Mrs Flood's vocal cadence also sounds a bit like Mary Tamm to my ear. I admit that's tenuous though.
What a nice close, this whole thing opens with a narration from the 15th Doctor Saying "once apon a time, a stranger came to a street on ruby road" and with Mrs Flood saying "Thats how the story of Ruby road comes to and end", starts and end the same way, with a narration.
The doctor mentioned how Ruby's Church Drop off was an important moment in history through this series, and event so strong that when Ruby thinks about the snow from that day manifests in the present. That moment is important because in the end a whole bunch of people including Ruby, the Dr. and Sutekh wanted to know the identity of Ruby's mother and there just wasn't enough information. It was the fact that everyone was making out this moment in history to be import that made that moment BECOME important, which is what the Dr. says in the final episode. It people's perceptions of what's important that makes them IMPORTANT. My only caveat about that though, is I think its Snowing around Mrs. Flood at the end. I haven't watch the episode a 2nd time yet so I can't remember if it was. I also can't remember at what point in them that final scene is. If its Ruby's birthday/Christmas then the fact that its snowing is perfectly normal. But if its not a winter month, then that implies Mrs. Flood has/had a connection to the snow. And yes, Sutekh was wrapped around the TARDIS the whole time. He went through it all, Time War, Satan Pit, Big Bang, Dr.'s Wife, Flux, all of it. But in all that time he was also mostly in the Time Vortex. So his super alien cells were naturally renewing and mutating in the Time Vortex which means he was become Time Lord like ( Melody Pond/River Song ). This evolution took him to God status, he probably even interacted with a few of the other Gods/Devils that the Dr. came across and stole ideas from them. I don't know if Sutekh was "The One Who Waits" just "one who waited". It was his creations, the Susan Twists, and Harriet Arbinger, that said he was the God of All Gods, but of course Sutekh was controlling them. It wasn't any of the Gods we met who directly said Sutekh was that important. I think Sutekh was just talking him self up. I think Sutekh misinterpreted Ruby's Mother Pointing, she was pointing at her Daughter's name, but he thought she was pointing at him wrapped around the Dr.'s Tardis so he then thought that the time for waiting is up and turned on all this sleeper cells on at the same time. I think the reason why Ruby's mother pointed is because when the Dr. went back into time to save Ruby from Goblins he changed time, Ruby's mother was now aware that someone saw her so she pointed to the sign to let them know she named her daughter. This made the Dr. and Sutekh think the moment was super important ( because they misinterpreted the actions ) and as result of their beliefs that moment really did become super important.
Sutekh was also on 24 years date night with the Doctor and River... He must have been so bored with the retirement and not being able to produce any new "Susans"
I think she's one the Gods that Harbinger mentioned in her epic speech. Probably Incensor, God of Disaster, since a flood is a type of natural disaster.
I don’t think she’s a harbinger. She told Cherry to “tell your maker I is coming to tear down your gates of gold and sees his kingdom” I do not think a harbinger would be talking in the first person like that
@@elliesteele2027 oh sorry, fatal, flaw of dyslexia you misread something and then you try to correct a flaw that wasn’t even there lol. If that’s the case, I definitely like this Theory!
The Snow was explained in The Legend of Ruby Sunday. It's the snow from the night that Ruby was left at the Church leaking through time whenever Ruby remembers because her memories are so powerful.
Yes that happens to me all the time when I have really strong memories. How can she have really strong memories of the night when she was a newborn baby? Baby's not young. Can't even form long-term memories. Do you have really strong memories from when you were a week old? I don't care how strong anybody's memories are. I don't care if you're whole family died in a bus crash the day before. That doesn't mean you can pull environmental things from the past into the present.
RTD is going with the long game. Just as Moffet did with the Silence and the town called Christmas. Everything that happened to 11's Doctor- from Amy to River Song was all down to a splinter group that went down his timeline in order to stop him reaching that point. Mrs Flood is doing something similar. She has orchestrated the mystery around Ruby, to entice the Doctor and Sutekh. As she knew only the Doctor could stop Sutekh. Everything supernatural about Ruby was coming from Mrs Flood....who has yet to show her true identity. As much as the finale was ABIT anti-climax...the end scene tells us Mrs Flood is the key to everything. The real mystery isn't Ruby- it's Mrs Flood. Ruby was just the diversion and trap for Sutekh.
@@LaloMartins he is doing what Moffet did. Making this Doctors era about one main villain. Who I believe may turn out to be the Great Intelligence. Who went into the Doctors timeline, to turn every victory into a defeat. Unfortunately Clara stopped it, EXCEPT for Sutekh. Who hitched a ride on the TARDIS, possibly giving the Great Intelligence a way to survive also. Either way...RTD is playing the long game with Mrs Flood.
Among all the Mrs. Flood theories, I haven't yet landed on a clear winner, but I DO think Ruby's ending is an in-universe fakeout engineered by the Doctor and/or UNIT to stop her from searching for the truth. She's SOMETHING other than an ordinary human, and her true form is scary and hidden by a perception filter. Think about it: In 73 Yards the spectre of her old self follows her at the exact limit of a perception filter. She directs certain people to LOOK at Ruby from just out of perception filter range, and they are IMMEDIATELY terrified of her.
I would love for this to be true. I feel like it won't be, but I would love it. Because I am still trying to head canon why her own mother would run from her. Her love for Ruby is palpable.
I don't know who she is, but I have several things that rule out past beings. Her "you poor tiny woman" and comforting Cherry line rules out most of the villains Even Missy couldn't have reformed enough for that kindness, so I don't think we are dealing with The Master. Actually I think that takes out all of the Time Lords, because they thus far haven't shown the kind of superiority, mingled with kindness that the line implies. It also leaves out Clara, who related to people as individuals. Mrs Flood knows the Sunday family well enough to be called in to watch Cherry, Clara would see her as Cherry, not "tiny, little woman" and she would have told her she was getting tea, even if she knew the world would end before it boiled. Romana is an interesting idea, especially since I liked the character, although all my previous arguments apply to her. None of the big villains from the series, even if they are wearing a perception filter, have the compassion to be Mrs. Flood. The White Guardian is quite intriguing. I'm going to have to go back and check him out because he is apart from some of this. Then there is her making it quite clear she wants to throw down with God, or at least the version of God that Cherry believes in and the one that "made" us. This implies she's evil, but we spent seasons thinking the Time Lords were good guys, more or less, and then found out they were out and out baddies. So Mrs Flood may have a legitimate beef with whatever God is 'reigning" over earth. The tear down his gates of gold is reminiscent of throwing the moneylenders out of the Temple. It's also interesting she tells Cherry to give her message to "your maker" just as they are about to be destroyed. It sounds like she was pretty sure things would get sorted out by the Doctor in some way. My best guess Mrs. Flood is a godlike being of some sort, part of the pantheon, maybe evil, maybe good, maybe neutral.
Two possibilities for Mrs. Flood that were both introduced in the Fourth Doctor’s episode, “the Ribos Operation” and that’s the White Guardian or Romana. That entire season was quite good, introducing the Key to Time. You’ve got months to go until more Doctor Who, why not check it out?
Completly forgot about Romana. Yeah, if Flood is Time Lady then Romana would fit as a 'good time lady'. Better she wasn't the next incarnation of Missy.
Mrs Flood's outfit is reminiscent of Romana's opening story. There is also been times that her dialogue could easily have been said by Lalla's incarnation. However, i think the outfit is purely to tie into the christmas special.
The comments are amazing with Sutekh latching on the TARDIS since all this time. Keep them coming, there are so creative! I can't stop gasping everytime I read them! XD
Mrs Flood’s door on Earth is Tardis blue and #4 as is Susan Foreman? Four-man ✨ That white coat and gold ring looks just like first Romana’s (Mary Tann’s) famous white coat and gold ring traveling with the 4th doctor. 💍 Or the master released from the Toynakers’s tooth trolling the doctors famous 2 Gallifreyan companions? 💫 Russel T Davies loves misdirection and hype so she could be anybody and the clues mean nothing. 🍃
First time, the Doctor (12) and River Song met chronically, in The Husbands of River Song, it was snowing and she wore a pretty similar dress like in the ending of the Empire of Death. The Umbrella could be also a hint to Missy.
I think the snow got answered- not well but answered in empire of death because of the fact that Ruby summons it when remembering the event, it’s so strong it generates both a more realistic image and the snow into reality, this as well as suetekh trying to find the woman i think explain it quite well for me. But also there is the time lock- from when she was born, the doctor being there from birth and her actually being around the doctor both as a child and now, maybe going back would actually affect the situations she’s in a lot more than we know- perhaps this is why the doctor is so adamant about not going back, he’s scared of a father’s day level paradox or worse, maybe a mind altering paradox that kills ruby- but in theory him being there since her conception would make the memory stronger just by his aura - along with the fact that this god was laying dormant for years and when he visits this mystery woman, he sees a hole to go through making her entire timeline tampered with by gods- i think this is actually explained really well by just piecing these bits of information together but you have to piece them together.
And here I thought Sutekh got loose the same way the Toy Maker and Maestro got loose. When the 14th Dr did the salt thing at the end of the universe. Being there all the time was a mind bender and I liked it.
Possibly Mrs Flood is Asherah, Innana, Astarte, or Ishtar -The Queen of Heaven, from the epic of Gilgamesh which includes the flood myth. Theoretically, she could be Sophia from the Gnostic mythology but I think Innana is probably more likely. She would storm the maker's gates of gold and seize his kingdom in the power of her true name.
The doctor said the snow breaks through the moment on ruby road because the moment was so tender and raw I believe. I think this was earlier in the season. I don't think it was left mysterious why the snow keeps appearing. Whether this is a satisfying answer is up to you.
Take these two things into account about Mrs. Flood. 1) She ended the episode dressed in a white fur coat, very similar to one seen before by a Time Lady and temporary companion of the Doctor, specifically, Romana. 2) On her suitcase was a sticker for Penzance. Which immediately leads me to think of the Pirates of Penzance. Which may be alluding to The Pirate Planet, which was an episode which featured Romana.
I like the idea of Iris Wyldthyme because they have a metaverse power and would be interesting to see here. They could just be cosplaying older companions hence the clara outfit and the snow cloak outfit.
I just think she’s her own character and has some rather interesting motives. Maybe a time lord, maybe someone who hasn’t been introduced with different abilities.
An easy out with the continuity issues is that The Toymaker already said he made a jigsaw of The Doctor's backstory. That line was probably a way to make The Timeless Child optional canon for those who don't like the retcon, but it also leaves room for ANY retcon in the show's history to be his fault. Including this reveal about Sutekh.
She's just a neighbour with a bluray box set of the series thus far. I think she is only important because we as the viewer assigned her meaning and she's actually just a completely normal person within the confines of the show. And when this is revealed, we need to ignore all the signs we are picking up on because that's just us fans thinking to deep into it.
@TheCagedCorvid 😆 more sarcasm, but I get it, they sometimes read the same. I was trying to get into the mindset of Russel T Davis though, did you think I did well? I AM a little disappointed about how the series ended though and I don't feel like im the only one. I accept it with Sarcasm WHOCULTURE seems to accept it with " copeium."
Speaking into the void, I think the snow was implied to have been Sutekh all along once they started referring to him as the god of ice too. I'm guessing he was just really excited to find out who Ruby's mom was too and couldn't contain himself or his own theories. But it could still be a bigger mystery, I'm just not betting on it. And I think it's safe to say like many other large IPs that it is in the best interests of the people who make money off of this show not to blatantly contradict, disqualify, or de-canonize other materials within the IP. Everything about the explanation behind Sutekh's return is just vague enough to provide people who only watch the show with a passing reason for his survival while also still allowing for the expanded materials in comics and audio dramas to be viably canon. It makes no sense for Sutekh to have been clinging to the TARDIS for all this time, even just watching the show, but it makes perfect sense for him to have jumped on in Wild Blue Yonder if you know the expanded canon. Unfortunately the average viewer wouldn't enjoy being expected to do all this research to jump onto a show that is supposed to be in its "first" season, and it would turn them and potential new viewers away. As for Mrs. Flood, I was thinking she was Susan because she was always a bit on the creepy side, and there was a brief moment of Clara suspicion, but after the Romana outfit reference I am completely thrown. It isn't even safe to guess she's Romana because RTD is clearly messing with us.
Yep, Tom Baker era for Key to Time series which was the original White Guardian / Black Guardian storyline. An epic watch with a twist at the end. Well worth a watch if you haven’t seen already.
More 'evidence' for River Song - the tune that plays around her is a Carol. Mrs Flood could be Carol Flood, lining up nicely with Melody Pond and River Song. She will also know how the Doctor's adventures continue, having already seen them from her reversed timeline perspective. Are these truly Fourth Wall breaks, or... Spoilers?
There were quite a few mentions of religion this season and we know Mundy (I’m not sure how her name is spelled) will be a companion next season. Mrs Flood could be the main villain for next season, she literally told Ruby’s grandmother to warn god she’s coming for him. She may have been wronged or felt abandoned by god, or perhaps a victim of one of the religious wars Mundy was involved in.
If you go back to some of the classic Doctor Who episodes, they introduced the White and Black Guardians of time, Mrs Flood may be related to the White Guardian, if not the White Guardian.
that maybe a way to bring him back in wayyy into future who as he died here. he will probably wait some more to devise a new plan because his was foiled?
Makes so much more sense to me if Sutekh was flung somewhere past the edge of creation when the Doctor beat him and sent him to his "death". And playing the game allowing the Toymaker in, also dragged in Sutekh and the other gods. Only Sutekh being an enterprising fella, latched onto the Tardis as the Doctor and Donna were escaping. The groaning started in Wild Blue Yonder. It doesnt fuck with so much shit, as funny as it is to think of Sutekh and House just chilling in the Doctors Wife
could it be that shes " the queen of the 4th dimension" like because she keeps breaking the 4th wall and the 4th dimension is sometimes referred to as time especially in early sci fi
The gaurdians first appearance was The Ribos Operation. That is the serial everybody is talking about where Romana is dressed in white. I think Mrs. Flood is one of the Gaurdians, probably the white one. The fifth Doctor specifically called the White gaurdian the lesser of two evils, somebody that follows the rule of the law rather than the spirit and isn't really good or bad.
Maybe she is : Iris Wildthyme Iris Wildthyme can be described as a meta-fictional character, able to comment on the world she is in, and on the Doctor's own adventures from a point of view 🎉🎉🎉
I like the theory that Suteck was dormant on the Tardis until Donna spilt coffee on the Tardis interface in Wild Blue Yonder, as that is the first episode the Tardis makes the deep low weird sutekh noise
I kind of like the idea of her being the final villain so to speak of this Doctor's era. Let's say he gets three seasons as most modern doctors have been given. Mrs Flood's mystery being a seed planted in the first episode lasting all the way to the last over a three-season run would be pretty cool. Whoever she is I don't think we will be finding out any time soon.
A fun theory, not to be taken seriously, is that with Disney getting involved the old trope of Mary Poppins with her umbrella and “bigger on the inside” baggage is a Time Lord. Mrs. Flood with her parasol at the end is Mary Poppins. 😉
Right? I heard someone say Idris couldn't communicate very well but I'm pretty sure if Sutekh had been wrapped around her for years she would have just screamed all episode.
I think Mrs Flood is a DCs Mojo type character who is narrating and speaking to the audience because she draws power from it. We've seen alternate universes in Who, like when Rose went to her dad, I think we the audience are in one such universe, and Flood is aware of us. The doctor will need to fight against fate, her script, to beat her next season.
I was thinking the snow is because the time window is a bit shoddy and is connected to Rubys memories so maybe when she remembers her mothers or something the snow from the memory falls through the time window back in time to Rubys present.
Celestial Storyteller. We know Ruby's story is not done. Though I do think RTD dropped the ball in communicating that leaving people frustrated. MY takeaways... Ruby herself has a perception filter as hinted in dialogue. Why did the Doctor not want Ruby to talk to her mother (out of character). Is she really Ruby's mother or is a plot a foot. Is Ruby's father related ot Mad Jack (Ap Gwilliam (of William) Her father's name is William. With the reveal that 73 yards is the range of a perception filter when it becomes more apparent that old Ruby (Jack's Herald) wasn't telling people terrible things, she was showing them terrible things, they all look directly at Ruby before they freak out. Does standing at the very edge of the perception filter cause it's effect to sort of glitch and you see what's really real? Finding Ruby's mother was far too easy, and none of Maestro or Sutekh's dialogue work if she is just some random teen mom. For a few scenes I was almost convinced UNIT set up a fake mom just to make Ruby stop looking for now
Wasn't it snowing in Mrs Floods final scene on the rooftop in her all white outfit? Could there be some connection between the snow that showed up for Ruby and Mrs F?
Yeah you got it, He’s waiting so he’s at every point in history throughout the universe... or at least that’s what the episode heavily implies, hence the doctors guilt reaction
I think Mrs Flood did say clever “boy”. I was more interested in her line from last week when she said someone had died (her mom? Idk) because “I wasn’t watching”. What the what?!?!
When she was being evil i noticed her face hadnt changed and then was wondering if it was sutekh or her. The ending confirmed to me that it was her own self being evil and not control from sutekh.
Is it possible Mrs Flood is somehow the "Master Mind" from the 2nd Doctor's story "The Mind Robber"? It's like she is telling a story about the Doctor, but Sutekh got in the way but once he was destroyed could go back to creating the Doctor's story. We have also had mention of something from each of the early Doctor's eras other then the 2nd. Susan ftom the 1st Doctor, brigadier and UNIT from 3rd, Sutekh from 4th. I might be stretching things but I'm looking a little out of the box.
I think Mrs Flood is either good aligned or neutral, if she was actually evil I doubt she would have comforted Cherry. I don’t know what her game is or what she has planned, but I think we can count her as an ally in the long run.
I think the “Penzance” sticker on Mrs. Flood’s suitcase may be a significant clue. Penzance is a town in Cornwall, but in the ancient Cornish language “Penzance” translates to “Holy Headland”. The area also has odd folklore, including an Arthurian legend about a place near Penzance called Lyonesse- a land that sank into the sea in a single night. She’s definitely a deity of some sort, but who knows what big plans she has in store? Only time will tell!
There was a whole arc in the 4th Doctor period called Key to Time with the White and Black Guardians. Each story (this was back when a story had 3 to 5 episodes) was about the Doctor retrieving a section of a device called the Key to Time on a mission from, he thought, the White Guardian. It turned out in the end that it was the Black Guardian in disguise.
Firstly Mrs Flood appeared Sitting Down outside rather like the White Guardian,'s first appearance The Dove returned to Noah as a sign that the Flood was over, The White Guardian wears a dove on his head. The White Guardian brought Romana to the Doctor. She wore a feathery white outfit. The White Guardian also had a parasol in his first appearance. Thats why I think its the Black Guardian as he has impersonated the white Guardian before.
From my understanding Sutekh was there to witness the Xmas events. As the doctor said even he didn't make out ruby's mum. He even went back when he had full TARDIS control and still couldn't maker her out. I think that drew so much of his focus on to ruby and that night of ruby road that a form of his powers in a sense manifested in around her. This kinda works with sutekh weaving himself into the fabric of the TARDIS and the TARDIS keeps a psychic link with companions.
She could be a shape shifter like the Zygons, that took her place. At the beginning of her first episode, she saw the tardis disappear, and it scared her, like it was something she'd never seen before. But towards the end, she knew exactly what it was, and her whole personality had changed.
my theory is that Mrs. Flood is the one who waits and Sutekh was a diversion. She knew he was coming, she's been sus the whole time, she broke the fourth wall talking directly to us. I'm also confused because when 15 duplicated the TARDIS, Sutekh was only clinging to his TARDIS and not 11/14's? like did he jump onto 15's ship or did he get duplicated? and what are Mrs. Flood's great plans she had before Sutekh wiped her out? I don't think she's Susan and I don't think she's Jenny like people have been suggesting, but I do think we've met her before in a different form, I just can't figure out when/where/why/or how
If Sutekh wasn't actually The One Who Waits, and it's Mrs. Flood, then I think she could (should?) be the Valeyard. It would make sense for her to be mostly evil but still be enough of the Doctor to comfort Cherry.
I couldn't hear it clearly, what did Mrs Flood say when she and the grandmother lady (I forget her name), were revived..? I think she excitedly said briefly (but I could be wrong), "I love that man", presumably meaning the Doctor?
The Black & White Guardians came with season sixteen's Key To Time format! The first story of this, "The Ribos Operation" introduced the original, Mary Tamm incarnation of Romana, dressed in that story in an incredibly similar costume as worn by Mrs Flood at the end! #justsayin'!
The Rani was a sometimes evil Time Lord. If she was not planning on doing anything evil at the moment she was willing to help the Doctor. Someone willing to be either good or evil.
I think that Ruby making it snow was the same reason they couldn’t see her mom. Her mom was so important, that it allowed her to alter reality subconsciously due to stress/sadness. Because it all revolved around that one night. That’s my guess anyways. It makes the most sense to me
Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed the finale! The way Ruby has been exploring her emotions when seeking her birth mother, having that desire for family found and family lost, really sets the Doctor up for finding his blood family and getting someone he can call home in the universe, especially after the Timeless Child reveal. It's cool to see Ruby going off to find her parents and likely going to see the Doctor finding his in S2. The Sutekh story definitely isn't without some questionable plot devices but knowing RTD we'll probably get them answered in 15 years. But I have to say that I love that Ruby's mum was completely normal. Loads of people going crazy about how the most important woman in the universe was completely normal are forgetting that Donna was the most important woman in all of reality and was the most ordinary person ever. Sutekh, on his aim to evolve into true godhood (as he puts it) required him to collect knowledge and power from across the universe which the Doctor enabled. Except for who Ruby's mum was, it was like a final puzzle piece and made sense to me. As for Mrs Flood. Who knows? I don't think she's Romana, Master, or Rani. I suspect she may be Iris, or more likely Hecuba (strange that this was the only Pantheon God who wasn't mentioned by Harbinger, maybe she had been kicked out of the Pantheon and was going rogue?). If anything, it feels like she's a brand new character who is the literal characterisation of fan service. Interested either way!
In the Doctors Wife when the Tardis is taken over by the planet sized entity with a voice remarkably like Suteks, did Sutek say to him “Hey, let me scoot over here, it’s getting crowded in and on this Tardis” so many questions.
My theory is that Sutekh was barely even corporeal for a very long time, and mostly just planting psychic seeds in multiple worlds. I think he didn’t get enough strength to act until after the Doctor messed around at the end of the Universe and broke barriers.
1) Yes, Sutekh waited and waited until he had travelled to enough places and seeded enough Susan Triads to pull off his plan. 2) RTD says the Doctor has no companion in the Christmas special, so what better time to visit Susan Foreman, with no companion getting in the way 3) Mrs Flood could be River Song (River, Pond, Flood). Not only Gods can break the fourth wall this season - the Doctor has done it at least twice - so she could be anyone.
ill help RTD out here and say he was not physically on top of the tardis, but moreso metaphysically around the tardis in some kind of intangible stasis
RTD is such a lazy writer he just leaves his nerdy gay fans to fill in the blanks 🙄 I have never seen an episode and maybe an entire series so riddled with plot holes. Not even Chinballs was this incompetent.
So many theories on her. God of stories (which may be the most likely with the current trend with the Toy Maker, Maestro, and Sutekh as the villains and her constantly breaking the 4th wall like she is telling the story), the Rani (just a popular opinion), Susan (same reason as the Rani) Is she a new character or someone we've seen before? One thing she says in her first appearance in The Church On Ruby Road is that it's been 50 years since she's seen a police box which would bring that to 1973 which would be between the 3rd and the 4th Doctor's series. So is she someone who the Doctor met during either one of those the series?
As stupid and bullshit of an answer that is. Dr Who is with Disney now. And people have been theorizing Mary Poppins as a Timelord since the 80s. IT WOULD BE HILARIOUS! And I hope they riff on that when they do the reveal!
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10, 11, and The War Doc: *contemplating big red button
Sutekh: *to the other two Sutekhs "Sup?"
Trickster
No no no, they’re chanting “DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH”
Sutekh 1: (Burps) Bud
Sutekh 2: (Burps) Weis
Sutekh 3: (Burps) Er
Sutekh 1: (Burps) Bud
Sutekh 2: (Burps) Weis
Sutekh 3: (Burps) Er
Sutekh 1: (Burps) Bud
Sutekh 2: (Burps) Weis
Sutekh 3: (Burps) Er
War Doc: Do you boys hear anything?
1: Calling the War council on Gallifrey! This is the Doctor!
Sutekhs: Right, boys, let's do this!
@@xedalpha1 "Just what we needed, all 12 Sutekhs! What do you mean all 13!?!"
12th Doctor: “Listen. Question. Why do we talk out loud when we know we're alone? Conjecture. Because we know we're not. It could be with us every second and we would never know. How would you detect it, even sense it, except in those moments when, for no clear reason you choose to speak aloud? What would such a creature want? What would it do? Well? What would you do?”
Thats actually genius
I like this
Holy shit you like Doctor Who?!
Sutekh waited so he was max power but then he gets defeated by being put on a leash and going walkies.
He gets defeated by being thrown into the time vortex. If we're saying he was defeated by the method if it happening, let's do it to other villains.
In series 2, the daleks and cybermwn were defeated by levers.
In series 4, the daleks were defeated by flicking some switches.
In series 5, the Doctor saved the universe by having a nice sit down.
In series 6, the Doctor and river saved time with a make out session.
In series 10, the Doctor stopped the cybermen by just flicking his sonic
In series 12, the cybermen and the master were defeated by pressing a button
@@mrdr0161 bro it was just a joke lol
@@mrdr0161Think the point is we saw Sutekh drop the Doctor to his knees in agony with some sort of green light energy but then choose not to use that power because Ruby put a lead on him.
@@mrdr0161And the same episode established he survived in the time vortex for a long time. But then suddenly he didn’t.
@@Unplugged70 the only reason he survived last time was because he latched on to the tardis
Mrs. Flood breaks the 4th wall…. So she wearing past companion outfits is a nod that she is aware of the doctor and all of his/her companions. Hence why “clever boy” was said while wearing the “Clara” outfit.
Must be the meddling monk then, only a new incarnation that tells the audience it's bed time. Where's the teddy bear? Monk had said "clever boy" as well. Or it's a red herring.
My daughter pointed out that her outfit at the end looks VERY much like an outfit Romana wore, companion to the 4th! Doctor and a Time Lady herself, it might tie in nicely…she might have been waiting all that time to help the doctor and ensure everything was set up to be able to defeat Sutekh
I can see that
Romana one’s initial costume
The WHOLE "Key To Time" series (season 16) features Romana I and both (?) guardians - The "White Guardian" shows up in the Tardis and gives the Doctor the quest for acquirering the 6 parts to the Key to Time, along with his new Time Lord companion Romanadvoradlundar, who herself thought that the council of Gallifrey had appointed her to this mission. Later the Doctor deducts that the "White Guardian" might be just the "Black Guardian" hiding his true colours - because the princess, that made one part of the key, should stay in her "key-state" instead of being reverted into her own self, after rightening the imbalance of the universe... The Doctor breaks up the key and scatteres its parts again, which makes the "Black Guardian" so angry, he wants to kill him (as 5th with the help of Turlough). The Doctor hits the randomizer, to hide his tracks from an evil higher being: So all the travels with the Tardis become quite "random" after that season... Romana I regenerated "out of fancy" into Romana II (Mary Tamm being fed up with her co-star) - very vague reasons, maybe the "Guardian" made her change her looks and triggered a unseen bi-generation, keeping Romana I for himself and letting Romana II travel with the Doctor?
My stepdad said it could be Romana but also her being trapped in E Space along with the fact she seemed like more of a villainous character im not too sure
Dude, if she’s not a new character, she is Romana. The Snow Queen outfit from The Ribos Operation. Just a hunch.
Still think Mrs Flood is a kind of story god - the snow was her manifestation of Ruby's legend, despite not really being a legend at all
But why did it snow storm in the future dna test scene when Mrs. Flood was turned into dust😅 I also thought that the snow was her doing until that scene
That's what I thought too: that the fourth wall breaks are because she rules over storytelling. I also assumed there was a water motif clue with the name "Flood." Bit of a stretch, but some versions of Saraswati rule over stories, music, and water (anything that flows).
My theory is the snow is falling through the time window when Ruby in the last two episodes thinks back and imagines pervious events.
@@TheRodentMastermind Except that's impossible... they hadn't turned it on yet!
She's the anti Poppins
I think she is the god of stories. Perhaps she will be revealed to have been the storyteller of all the Doctor’s stories. She dressed as both Clara and Romana so I think we will see her dressed up as other past companions next season. I think she might have ties to the Land of Fiction, perhaps she will reveal that’s where the Doctor has been all along. But I definitely think we will see her narrating and possibly controlling what happens next season.
The white coat on Mrs Flood at the end reminds me of Romana in her 1st incarnation from classic Who
Having watched some clips from the Ribos Operation, Mrs Flood's vocal cadence also sounds a bit like Mary Tamm to my ear. I admit that's tenuous though.
I just looked it up and wow, its almost exactly the same-
I thought exactly the same thing.
@@TheRantingCynicHer vocal cadence actually made me think of Susan but I doubt it's actually her
I am wondering if she is romana with the coat
She is the Meep's Boss who is interested in creatures with 2 hearts
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Sounds like Rani to me
Possibly.
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@@geoffbrenneman9757 no. Because she's the woman that picked up the tooth- that was the Master.
What a nice close, this whole thing opens with a narration from the 15th Doctor Saying "once apon a time, a stranger came to a street on ruby road" and with Mrs Flood saying "Thats how the story of Ruby road comes to and end", starts and end the same way, with a narration.
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The doctor mentioned how Ruby's Church Drop off was an important moment in history through this series, and event so strong that when Ruby thinks about the snow from that day manifests in the present. That moment is important because in the end a whole bunch of people including Ruby, the Dr. and Sutekh wanted to know the identity of Ruby's mother and there just wasn't enough information. It was the fact that everyone was making out this moment in history to be import that made that moment BECOME important, which is what the Dr. says in the final episode. It people's perceptions of what's important that makes them IMPORTANT.
My only caveat about that though, is I think its Snowing around Mrs. Flood at the end. I haven't watch the episode a 2nd time yet so I can't remember if it was. I also can't remember at what point in them that final scene is. If its Ruby's birthday/Christmas then the fact that its snowing is perfectly normal. But if its not a winter month, then that implies Mrs. Flood has/had a connection to the snow.
And yes, Sutekh was wrapped around the TARDIS the whole time. He went through it all, Time War, Satan Pit, Big Bang, Dr.'s Wife, Flux, all of it. But in all that time he was also mostly in the Time Vortex. So his super alien cells were naturally renewing and mutating in the Time Vortex which means he was become Time Lord like ( Melody Pond/River Song ). This evolution took him to God status, he probably even interacted with a few of the other Gods/Devils that the Dr. came across and stole ideas from them.
I don't know if Sutekh was "The One Who Waits" just "one who waited". It was his creations, the Susan Twists, and Harriet Arbinger, that said he was the God of All Gods, but of course Sutekh was controlling them. It wasn't any of the Gods we met who directly said Sutekh was that important. I think Sutekh was just talking him self up. I think Sutekh misinterpreted Ruby's Mother Pointing, she was pointing at her Daughter's name, but he thought she was pointing at him wrapped around the Dr.'s Tardis so he then thought that the time for waiting is up and turned on all this sleeper cells on at the same time.
I think the reason why Ruby's mother pointed is because when the Dr. went back into time to save Ruby from Goblins he changed time, Ruby's mother was now aware that someone saw her so she pointed to the sign to let them know she named her daughter. This made the Dr. and Sutekh think the moment was super important ( because they misinterpreted the actions ) and as result of their beliefs that moment really did become super important.
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@@lisa_wistfulone7957 I really appreciate your appreciation. You're welcome and thank you.
If Sutekh was on the Tardis all along. There is a possibility that Yaz and 13th sat on him while eating ice cream. 🤣
The 12th Doctor was meditating on his head😂
Not just a possibility, a fact.
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Sutekh was, in fact, the monster under the bed, while Amy and Rory were busy conceiving River.
Sutekh was also on 24 years date night with the Doctor and River... He must have been so bored with the retirement and not being able to produce any new "Susans"
I think she's one the Gods that Harbinger mentioned in her epic speech.
Probably Incensor, God of Disaster, since a flood is a type of natural disaster.
I don’t think she’s a harbinger. She told Cherry to “tell your maker I is coming to tear down your gates of gold and sees his kingdom” I do not think a harbinger would be talking in the first person like that
@@rayman2902 No I mean that Mrs Flood is a god but she was mentioned by Harbinger
@@elliesteele2027 oh sorry, fatal, flaw of dyslexia you misread something and then you try to correct a flaw that wasn’t even there lol. If that’s the case, I definitely like this Theory!
The Snow was explained in The Legend of Ruby Sunday. It's the snow from the night that Ruby was left at the Church leaking through time whenever Ruby remembers because her memories are so powerful.
Yes that happens to me all the time when I have really strong memories. How can she have really strong memories of the night when she was a newborn baby? Baby's not young. Can't even form long-term memories. Do you have really strong memories from when you were a week old? I don't care how strong anybody's memories are. I don't care if you're whole family died in a bus crash the day before. That doesn't mean you can pull environmental things from the past into the present.
@@GregorySnipeI said it was explained...I didn't say it was explained WELL 😂
RTD is going with the long game. Just as Moffet did with the Silence and the town called Christmas. Everything that happened to 11's Doctor- from Amy to River Song was all down to a splinter group that went down his timeline in order to stop him reaching that point. Mrs Flood is doing something similar. She has orchestrated the mystery around Ruby, to entice the Doctor and Sutekh. As she knew only the Doctor could stop Sutekh. Everything supernatural about Ruby was coming from Mrs Flood....who has yet to show her true identity. As much as the finale was ABIT anti-climax...the end scene tells us Mrs Flood is the key to everything. The real mystery isn't Ruby- it's Mrs Flood. Ruby was just the diversion and trap for Sutekh.
I hope you're right because that's the only way this ending makes sense
@@LaloMartins he is doing what Moffet did. Making this Doctors era about one main villain. Who I believe may turn out to be the Great Intelligence. Who went into the Doctors timeline, to turn every victory into a defeat. Unfortunately Clara stopped it, EXCEPT for Sutekh. Who hitched a ride on the TARDIS, possibly giving the Great Intelligence a way to survive also. Either way...RTD is playing the long game with Mrs Flood.
yes, this is what I was thinking, hopefully this is it and it will fix some of the issue I have with this ending.
Playing the long game? Better not be that long as the show will be cancelled after the 2025 Christmas Special.
RTD is making it up as he goes, don't lie to yourself on his behalf.
Among all the Mrs. Flood theories, I haven't yet landed on a clear winner, but I DO think Ruby's ending is an in-universe fakeout engineered by the Doctor and/or UNIT to stop her from searching for the truth. She's SOMETHING other than an ordinary human, and her true form is scary and hidden by a perception filter. Think about it: In 73 Yards the spectre of her old self follows her at the exact limit of a perception filter. She directs certain people to LOOK at Ruby from just out of perception filter range, and they are IMMEDIATELY terrified of her.
I would love for this to be true. I feel like it won't be, but I would love it. Because I am still trying to head canon why her own mother would run from her. Her love for Ruby is palpable.
She’s Iris Wildthyme playing as the doctors companions. Iris is the only meta aware character in dr who that can break the forth wall (iirc)
Now there's an interesting idea.
Iris Wildthyme? Dear God no. I adore that character. Don't let RTD near her.
I have wondered this for a while :)
I don't know who she is, but I have several things that rule out past beings. Her "you poor tiny woman" and comforting Cherry line rules out most of the villains Even Missy couldn't have reformed enough for that kindness, so I don't think we are dealing with The Master. Actually I think that takes out all of the Time Lords, because they thus far haven't shown the kind of superiority, mingled with kindness that the line implies. It also leaves out Clara, who related to people as individuals. Mrs Flood knows the Sunday family well enough to be called in to watch Cherry, Clara would see her as Cherry, not "tiny, little woman" and she would have told her she was getting tea, even if she knew the world would end before it boiled.
Romana is an interesting idea, especially since I liked the character, although all my previous arguments apply to her. None of the big villains from the series, even if they are wearing a perception filter, have the compassion to be Mrs. Flood. The White Guardian is quite intriguing. I'm going to have to go back and check him out because he is apart from some of this.
Then there is her making it quite clear she wants to throw down with God, or at least the version of God that Cherry believes in and the one that "made" us. This implies she's evil, but we spent seasons thinking the Time Lords were good guys, more or less, and then found out they were out and out baddies. So Mrs Flood may have a legitimate beef with whatever God is 'reigning" over earth. The tear down his gates of gold is reminiscent of throwing the moneylenders out of the Temple. It's also interesting she tells Cherry to give her message to "your maker" just as they are about to be destroyed. It sounds like she was pretty sure things would get sorted out by the Doctor in some way. My best guess Mrs. Flood is a godlike being of some sort, part of the pantheon, maybe evil, maybe good, maybe neutral.
Two possibilities for Mrs. Flood that were both introduced in the Fourth Doctor’s episode, “the Ribos Operation” and that’s the White Guardian or Romana. That entire season was quite good, introducing the Key to Time. You’ve got months to go until more Doctor Who, why not check it out?
Completly forgot about Romana. Yeah, if Flood is Time Lady then Romana would fit as a 'good time lady'. Better she wasn't the next incarnation of Missy.
Mrs Flood's outfit is reminiscent of Romana's opening story.
There is also been times that her dialogue could easily have been said by Lalla's incarnation.
However, i think the outfit is purely to tie into the christmas special.
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Also worth saying that her vocal cadence (when dropping her neighbour act) reminds me of Mary Tamm a little bit, but I fully cop that this is tenuous.
The comments are amazing with Sutekh latching on the TARDIS since all this time. Keep them coming, there are so creative! I can't stop gasping everytime I read them! XD
I say Mrs Flood needs to be an epic fan service reveal to compensate for the lack of fanfare Ruby's mother should be.
From nowhere she will be an old version of Clara and they will retcon her death again just like always..
@@zsozsecho I posted above regarding Mrs. Flood using the Clever line...... so could be.
@Rembrandt133 ohh yea probably 😅 I didn't seen it but I totally agree!
@@zsozsecho When she said Clever Boy Clara was all I could think about..lol
More like an epic self insert.... just like every other character this season.
Mrs. Flood: "Then tell your maker that I am coming for him, and I will tear down his gates of gold and seize his kingdom."
She is 100% evil.
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Mrs Flood’s door on Earth is Tardis blue and #4 as is Susan Foreman? Four-man
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That white coat and gold ring looks just like first Romana’s (Mary Tann’s) famous white coat and gold ring traveling with the 4th doctor.
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Or the master released from the Toynakers’s tooth trolling the doctors famous 2 Gallifreyan companions?
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Russel T Davies loves misdirection and hype so she could be anybody and the clues mean nothing.
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Pearly, the gates are pearly. The streets are made of gold
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@@orionishi6737 hey man it’s not my fault that I was forced to go to church as a kid
Unit: wats poppin?
Sutekh: don’t mind me just watchin
First time, the Doctor (12) and River Song met chronically, in The Husbands of River Song, it was snowing and she wore a pretty similar dress like in the ending of the Empire of Death. The Umbrella could be also a hint to Missy.
Oh, there's an idea. An actually evil version of River? After all, there's the evil doctor and good master idea.
@@TheAlyconaria how could River have a new face? She burnt up all her regenerations
@@TheAlyconaria Maybe, she is one of Lumiat regenerations? Lumiat is this good master idea.
"You clever boy" Exactly the same as what River used to say...
And Clara too. She dressed like Clara in this episode. I think she is The Master regenerated after Missy.
@@willcartoonsofficial You mean Lumiat regenerated after being killed by Missy and fall to Earth?
She’s Iris Wildthyme - read about her. Everything fits!
I think the snow got answered- not well but answered in empire of death because of the fact that Ruby summons it when remembering the event, it’s so strong it generates both a more realistic image and the snow into reality, this as well as suetekh trying to find the woman i think explain it quite well for me. But also there is the time lock- from when she was born, the doctor being there from birth and her actually being around the doctor both as a child and now, maybe going back would actually affect the situations she’s in a lot more than we know- perhaps this is why the doctor is so adamant about not going back, he’s scared of a father’s day level paradox or worse, maybe a mind altering paradox that kills ruby- but in theory him being there since her conception would make the memory stronger just by his aura - along with the fact that this god was laying dormant for years and when he visits this mystery woman, he sees a hole to go through making her entire timeline tampered with by gods- i think this is actually explained really well by just piecing these bits of information together but you have to piece them together.
And here I thought Sutekh got loose the same way the Toy Maker and Maestro got loose. When the 14th Dr did the salt thing at the end of the universe. Being there all the time was a mind bender and I liked it.
You're right. The snow thing is still unresolved.
Possibly Mrs Flood is Asherah, Innana, Astarte, or Ishtar -The Queen of Heaven, from the epic of Gilgamesh which includes the flood myth. Theoretically, she could be Sophia from the Gnostic mythology but I think Innana is probably more likely. She would storm the maker's gates of gold and seize his kingdom in the power of her true name.
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The doctor said the snow breaks through the moment on ruby road because the moment was so tender and raw I believe. I think this was earlier in the season. I don't think it was left mysterious why the snow keeps appearing. Whether this is a satisfying answer is up to you.
Take these two things into account about Mrs. Flood. 1) She ended the episode dressed in a white fur coat, very similar to one seen before by a Time Lady and temporary companion of the Doctor, specifically, Romana. 2) On her suitcase was a sticker for Penzance. Which immediately leads me to think of the Pirates of Penzance. Which may be alluding to The Pirate Planet, which was an episode which featured Romana.
They gave us so many red herrings. I doubt it's Romana. They just mixed all the companions to keep us on our toes
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She’s gotta be a god that “tell your maker I’ll knock down his golden gates in my true name “ (paraphrasing)
I like the idea of Iris Wyldthyme because they have a metaverse power and would be interesting to see here. They could just be cosplaying older companions hence the clara outfit and the snow cloak outfit.
I just think she’s her own character and has some rather interesting motives. Maybe a time lord, maybe someone who hasn’t been introduced with different abilities.
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An easy out with the continuity issues is that The Toymaker already said he made a jigsaw of The Doctor's backstory. That line was probably a way to make The Timeless Child optional canon for those who don't like the retcon, but it also leaves room for ANY retcon in the show's history to be his fault. Including this reveal about Sutekh.
She's just a neighbour with a bluray box set of the series thus far.
I think she is only important because we as the viewer assigned her meaning and she's actually just a completely normal person within the confines of the show.
And when this is revealed, we need to ignore all the signs we are picking up on because that's just us fans thinking to deep into it.
Am I detecting a hint of bitterness here?
@TheCagedCorvid 😆 more sarcasm, but I get it, they sometimes read the same.
I was trying to get into the mindset of Russel T Davis though, did you think I did well?
I AM a little disappointed about how the series ended though and I don't feel like im the only one.
I accept it with Sarcasm
WHOCULTURE seems to accept it with " copeium."
I like the White Guardian angle. That makes the most sense to me, considering the 4th wall breaks. Good reasoning.
Speaking into the void, I think the snow was implied to have been Sutekh all along once they started referring to him as the god of ice too. I'm guessing he was just really excited to find out who Ruby's mom was too and couldn't contain himself or his own theories. But it could still be a bigger mystery, I'm just not betting on it.
And I think it's safe to say like many other large IPs that it is in the best interests of the people who make money off of this show not to blatantly contradict, disqualify, or de-canonize other materials within the IP. Everything about the explanation behind Sutekh's return is just vague enough to provide people who only watch the show with a passing reason for his survival while also still allowing for the expanded materials in comics and audio dramas to be viably canon. It makes no sense for Sutekh to have been clinging to the TARDIS for all this time, even just watching the show, but it makes perfect sense for him to have jumped on in Wild Blue Yonder if you know the expanded canon. Unfortunately the average viewer wouldn't enjoy being expected to do all this research to jump onto a show that is supposed to be in its "first" season, and it would turn them and potential new viewers away.
As for Mrs. Flood, I was thinking she was Susan because she was always a bit on the creepy side, and there was a brief moment of Clara suspicion, but after the Romana outfit reference I am completely thrown. It isn't even safe to guess she's Romana because RTD is clearly messing with us.
Yep, Tom Baker era for Key to Time series which was the original White Guardian / Black Guardian storyline. An epic watch with a twist at the end. Well worth a watch if you haven’t seen already.
More 'evidence' for River Song - the tune that plays around her is a Carol. Mrs Flood could be Carol Flood, lining up nicely with Melody Pond and River Song. She will also know how the Doctor's adventures continue, having already seen them from her reversed timeline perspective. Are these truly Fourth Wall breaks, or... Spoilers?
I've thought all along she would be Carol Flood = River Song, but now I'm leaning towards RTD fucking with us.
The snow is a sign of time bleeding through because Ruby's emotions over her mum are so pure. The Doctor mentioned this "the moment is so pure".
I think she's probably a new character but they're tossing in lots of red herrings
I don’t believe the toymaker would be scared of what we saw in this episode at all
There were quite a few mentions of religion this season and we know Mundy (I’m not sure how her name is spelled) will be a companion next season. Mrs Flood could be the main villain for next season, she literally told Ruby’s grandmother to warn god she’s coming for him. She may have been wronged or felt abandoned by god, or perhaps a victim of one of the religious wars Mundy was involved in.
Varada Sethu is playing someone new (a la Freema Agyeman or Karen Gillan).
My thought if no one else has said it ..Suetekh couldn't manifest in full until what the 14th Doctor did with the salt at the edge broke the universe
If you go back to some of the classic Doctor Who episodes, they introduced the White and Black Guardians of time, Mrs Flood may be related to the White Guardian, if not the White Guardian.
Also, what about the copy of the tardis that 14 has kept. Does that other tardis include a copy of Sutekh now??
that maybe a way to bring him back in wayyy into future who as he died here. he will probably wait some more to devise a new plan because his was foiled?
The best theory I've seen floating around on Reddit is that Mrs Flood is actually Iris Wildthyme. I have to admit that I'm hoping for that outcome.
Makes so much more sense to me if Sutekh was flung somewhere past the edge of creation when the Doctor beat him and sent him to his "death". And playing the game allowing the Toymaker in, also dragged in Sutekh and the other gods. Only Sutekh being an enterprising fella, latched onto the Tardis as the Doctor and Donna were escaping. The groaning started in Wild Blue Yonder. It doesnt fuck with so much shit, as funny as it is to think of Sutekh and House just chilling in the Doctors Wife
could it be that shes " the queen of the 4th dimension" like because she keeps breaking the 4th wall and the 4th dimension is sometimes referred to as time especially in early sci fi
I think RTD forgot that the Doctor did see Susan as recently as his 5th incarnation (The Five Doctors). Not a huge reunion but in canon I believe.
And Dimensions in Time too! Susan was is it and it is canon.
I think she is the woman who picked up The Toymaker’s tooth that contains The Master
The gaurdians first appearance was The Ribos Operation. That is the serial everybody is talking about where Romana is dressed in white. I think Mrs. Flood is one of the Gaurdians, probably the white one. The fifth Doctor specifically called the White gaurdian the lesser of two evils, somebody that follows the rule of the law rather than the spirit and isn't really good or bad.
Maybe she is : Iris Wildthyme
Iris Wildthyme can be described as a meta-fictional character, able to comment on the world she is in, and on the Doctor's own adventures from a point of view 🎉🎉🎉
I like the theory that Suteck was dormant on the Tardis until Donna spilt coffee on the Tardis interface in Wild Blue Yonder, as that is the first episode the Tardis makes the deep low weird sutekh noise
I kind of like the idea of her being the final villain so to speak of this Doctor's era. Let's say he gets three seasons as most modern doctors have been given. Mrs Flood's mystery being a seed planted in the first episode lasting all the way to the last over a three-season run would be pretty cool. Whoever she is I don't think we will be finding out any time soon.
The Key To Time saga is where the black and white guardians first show up
A fun theory, not to be taken seriously, is that with Disney getting involved the old trope of Mary Poppins with her umbrella and “bigger on the inside” baggage is a Time Lord. Mrs. Flood with her parasol at the end is Mary Poppins. 😉
Excellent questions, here’s another, what about the episode, “The Doctors’ Wife.”
Right? I heard someone say Idris couldn't communicate very well but I'm pretty sure if Sutekh had been wrapped around her for years she would have just screamed all episode.
9:04 No, she literally says "Oh that clever boy!"
yeah
If it's Clara, then she let her looks go to pot!
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At least she didn't tell him to run... there's hope.... 😂
By getting old..? @@jimrockford9486
I think Mrs Flood is a DCs Mojo type character who is narrating and speaking to the audience because she draws power from it. We've seen alternate universes in Who, like when Rose went to her dad, I think we the audience are in one such universe, and Flood is aware of us. The doctor will need to fight against fate, her script, to beat her next season.
Isn't Ncuti's TARDIS a copy (from the Giggle). Does David's TARDIS have a copy of Sutekh on it?
I was thinking the snow is because the time window is a bit shoddy and is connected to Rubys memories so maybe when she remembers her mothers or something the snow from the memory falls through the time window back in time to Rubys present.
Celestial Storyteller.
We know Ruby's story is not done. Though I do think RTD dropped the ball in communicating that leaving people frustrated. MY takeaways...
Ruby herself has a perception filter as hinted in dialogue.
Why did the Doctor not want Ruby to talk to her mother (out of character).
Is she really Ruby's mother or is a plot a foot.
Is Ruby's father related ot Mad Jack (Ap Gwilliam (of William) Her father's name is William.
With the reveal that 73 yards is the range of a perception filter when it becomes more apparent that old Ruby (Jack's Herald) wasn't telling people terrible things, she was showing them terrible things, they all look directly at Ruby before they freak out. Does standing at the very edge of the perception filter cause it's effect to sort of glitch and you see what's really real?
Finding Ruby's mother was far too easy, and none of Maestro or Sutekh's dialogue work if she is just some random teen mom. For a few scenes I was almost convinced UNIT set up a fake mom just to make Ruby stop looking for now
Brilliant!
At one point I thought Mrs Flood was going to fly off like Mary Poppins.
the Guardians were introduced in the 4th Doctor "Key to Time" season.
I think Mrs flood is the god of stories, I can’t remember what her name is but it would make sense as she narrates & breaks the 4th wall
Wasn't it snowing in Mrs Floods final scene on the rooftop in her all white outfit? Could there be some connection between the snow that showed up for Ruby and Mrs F?
Yeah you got it, He’s waiting so he’s at every point in history throughout the universe... or at least that’s what the episode heavily implies, hence the doctors guilt reaction
I think Mrs Flood did say clever “boy”. I was more interested in her line from last week when she said someone had died (her mom? Idk) because “I wasn’t watching”. What the what?!?!
When she was being evil i noticed her face hadnt changed and then was wondering if it was sutekh or her. The ending confirmed to me that it was her own self being evil and not control from sutekh.
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Is it possible Mrs Flood is somehow the "Master Mind" from the 2nd Doctor's story "The Mind Robber"? It's like she is telling a story about the Doctor, but Sutekh got in the way but once he was destroyed could go back to creating the Doctor's story. We have also had mention of something from each of the early Doctor's eras other then the 2nd. Susan ftom the 1st Doctor, brigadier and UNIT from 3rd, Sutekh from 4th. I might be stretching things but I'm looking a little out of the box.
I think Mrs Flood is either good aligned or neutral, if she was actually evil I doubt she would have comforted Cherry. I don’t know what her game is or what she has planned, but I think we can count her as an ally in the long run.
I think the “Penzance” sticker on Mrs. Flood’s suitcase may be a significant clue. Penzance is a town in Cornwall, but in the ancient Cornish language “Penzance” translates to “Holy Headland”. The area also has odd folklore, including an Arthurian legend about a place near Penzance called Lyonesse- a land that sank into the sea in a single night. She’s definitely a deity of some sort, but who knows what big plans she has in store? Only time will tell!
There was a whole arc in the 4th Doctor period called Key to Time with the White and Black Guardians. Each story (this was back when a story had 3 to 5 episodes) was about the Doctor retrieving a section of a device called the Key to Time on a mission from, he thought, the White Guardian. It turned out in the end that it was the Black Guardian in disguise.
Firstly Mrs Flood appeared Sitting Down outside rather like the White Guardian,'s first appearance The Dove returned to Noah as a sign that the Flood was over, The White Guardian wears a dove on his head. The White Guardian brought Romana to the Doctor. She wore a feathery white outfit. The White Guardian also had a parasol in his first appearance. Thats why I think its the Black Guardian as he has impersonated the white Guardian before.
And did he play footsy with Jack when he was clinging on to the side!?!
God of stories
From my understanding Sutekh was there to witness the Xmas events. As the doctor said even he didn't make out ruby's mum. He even went back when he had full TARDIS control and still couldn't maker her out.
I think that drew so much of his focus on to ruby and that night of ruby road that a form of his powers in a sense manifested in around her.
This kinda works with sutekh weaving himself into the fabric of the TARDIS and the TARDIS keeps a psychic link with companions.
She could be a shape shifter like the Zygons, that took her place. At the beginning of her first episode, she saw the tardis disappear, and it scared her, like it was something she'd never seen before. But towards the end, she knew exactly what it was, and her whole personality had changed.
my theory is that Mrs. Flood is the one who waits and Sutekh was a diversion. She knew he was coming, she's been sus the whole time, she broke the fourth wall talking directly to us. I'm also confused because when 15 duplicated the TARDIS, Sutekh was only clinging to his TARDIS and not 11/14's? like did he jump onto 15's ship or did he get duplicated? and what are Mrs. Flood's great plans she had before Sutekh wiped her out? I don't think she's Susan and I don't think she's Jenny like people have been suggesting, but I do think we've met her before in a different form, I just can't figure out when/where/why/or how
If Sutekh wasn't actually The One Who Waits, and it's Mrs. Flood, then I think she could (should?) be the Valeyard. It would make sense for her to be mostly evil but still be enough of the Doctor to comfort Cherry.
I couldn't hear it clearly, what did Mrs Flood say when she and the grandmother lady (I forget her name), were revived..? I think she excitedly said briefly (but I could be wrong), "I love that man", presumably meaning the Doctor?
She called the doctor ’that clever boy’ - which sounds very something like Clara would say
@@johnking5174 yeah, but just before that bit (or just after)? The music drowned it out for me to hear clearly, and it was very brief
The Black & White Guardians came with season sixteen's Key To Time format!
The first story of this, "The Ribos Operation" introduced the original, Mary Tamm incarnation of Romana, dressed in that story in an incredibly similar costume as worn by Mrs Flood at the end! #justsayin'!
The Rani was a sometimes evil Time Lord. If she was not planning on doing anything evil at the moment she was willing to help the Doctor. Someone willing to be either good or evil.
she is the GI snow and claraisms .they key of time but toymaker trapped the guardians
I think that Ruby making it snow was the same reason they couldn’t see her mom. Her mom was so important, that it allowed her to alter reality subconsciously due to stress/sadness. Because it all revolved around that one night. That’s my guess anyways. It makes the most sense to me
Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed the finale! The way Ruby has been exploring her emotions when seeking her birth mother, having that desire for family found and family lost, really sets the Doctor up for finding his blood family and getting someone he can call home in the universe, especially after the Timeless Child reveal. It's cool to see Ruby going off to find her parents and likely going to see the Doctor finding his in S2.
The Sutekh story definitely isn't without some questionable plot devices but knowing RTD we'll probably get them answered in 15 years. But I have to say that I love that Ruby's mum was completely normal. Loads of people going crazy about how the most important woman in the universe was completely normal are forgetting that Donna was the most important woman in all of reality and was the most ordinary person ever. Sutekh, on his aim to evolve into true godhood (as he puts it) required him to collect knowledge and power from across the universe which the Doctor enabled. Except for who Ruby's mum was, it was like a final puzzle piece and made sense to me.
As for Mrs Flood. Who knows? I don't think she's Romana, Master, or Rani. I suspect she may be Iris, or more likely Hecuba (strange that this was the only Pantheon God who wasn't mentioned by Harbinger, maybe she had been kicked out of the Pantheon and was going rogue?). If anything, it feels like she's a brand new character who is the literal characterisation of fan service. Interested either way!
In the Doctors Wife when the Tardis is taken over by the planet sized entity with a voice remarkably like Suteks, did Sutek say to him “Hey, let me scoot over here, it’s getting crowded in and on this Tardis” so many questions.
My theory is that Sutekh was barely even corporeal for a very long time, and mostly just planting psychic seeds in multiple worlds. I think he didn’t get enough strength to act until after the Doctor messed around at the end of the Universe and broke barriers.
1) Yes, Sutekh waited and waited until he had travelled to enough places and seeded enough Susan Triads to pull off his plan.
2) RTD says the Doctor has no companion in the Christmas special, so what better time to visit Susan Foreman, with no companion getting in the way
3) Mrs Flood could be River Song (River, Pond, Flood). Not only Gods can break the fourth wall this season - the Doctor has done it at least twice - so she could be anyone.
ill help RTD out here and say he was not physically on top of the tardis, but moreso metaphysically around the tardis in some kind of intangible stasis
No just no
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Thought that was pretty clear to be honest...
RTD is such a lazy writer he just leaves his nerdy gay fans to fill in the blanks 🙄 I have never seen an episode and maybe an entire series so riddled with plot holes. Not even Chinballs was this incompetent.
@@MotorheadForever7 based comment tbh
So many theories on her. God of stories (which may be the most likely with the current trend with the Toy Maker, Maestro, and Sutekh as the villains and her constantly breaking the 4th wall like she is telling the story), the Rani (just a popular opinion), Susan (same reason as the Rani) Is she a new character or someone we've seen before? One thing she says in her first appearance in The Church On Ruby Road is that it's been 50 years since she's seen a police box which would bring that to 1973 which would be between the 3rd and the 4th Doctor's series. So is she someone who the Doctor met during either one of those the series?
she is mary poppins.
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As stupid and bullshit of an answer that is. Dr Who is with Disney now. And people have been theorizing Mary Poppins as a Timelord since the 80s.
IT WOULD BE HILARIOUS! And I hope they riff on that when they do the reveal!
She’s the illegitimate daughter of Brian Harvey and Mary Poppins.
I was thinking Mary Poppins or just a Disney narrator, lol.
Is he cool?
The when S attached is a missing vital bit of information. An easy fix if he just stated when