We do actually have details about Male Gammoth, more than the other counterparts actually: Male Gammoth are extremely EXTREMELY Dangerous, being larger and stronger than female Gammoth. They also used unused concept art for Gammoth to represent them, saying they have less fur and a larger more shovel like tusk design. Male Gammoth are so dangerous they are one of the few monthers put on the "Do not hunt" List because a failed Gammoth male hunt would lead to a Male Gammoth rampaging and basically destroying a huge swathe of Land. The only upside is Male Gammoth are said to live in extremely remote locations.
@@bobisuncanny2760 I can't remember the artbook, but the one for Generations mentions the concept art and calls them male Gammoth and says they are too dangerous to hunt.
The Crimson Diablos may be a similar case to the giant Monoblos, Gravios and Glavenus, the existence of which can be inferred from the shells of Carapaceons.
To add with the case of the giant monsters inferred from the shells of the Carapaceons, there is also the giant Lao Shan Lung, inferred to the shell of the Shen Gaoren, and not only that a giant diablos, inferred to the shell of the Plum Daimyo Hermitaur.
Another case of hiding monsters out of reach could be the monksnail in rise, i think it could definitely be classified as a large monster due to its size, even if it might not be problematic at all.
that's what i was thinking, rise was my first game and i saw that for the first time just by chance and it scared the absolute shit out of me due to its size, and how unexplained and mysterious it was!! i can't believe he didn't mention it
in my opinion monksnail wouldn't be mentioned because even monksnail is large it's classified as rare endemic life so i think it wouldn't be mentioned even in the further video about unseen monster and because what monster he discusses/ trying to find out in this video is relatives monster that can be hunt(on mission), if it's about all creature in monster hunter maybe he will add it
I would absolutely love to see Odibatorasu canonized in mainline as the Red God of the Desert. He was really fun in Frontier, and his ability to manipulate and shove massive amounts of sand is cool.
@@emblemblade9245 they could be a good center place for a big three story line, and then they could add their own god monster. Maybe a water, thunder, or dragon god.
@@kiryukazuma8089 Ok yeah they deserve a storyline. Ever heard of the in-game Hunter Life magazine in the first two gens? In Freedom 2, there’s an awesome buildup to Akantor you read about through that magazine
17:14 Couldn't agree more about needing a higher tier Bird Wyvern. Toridcless from Frontier has been one of my favorites for a long time, and with the uncharted waters we're in now after Espinas making into Sunbreak, it would be awesome to see him (or a similarly inspired monster, seriously, Thunderbirds have SO much potential as an inspiration) enter the main series as the rep for bigger and badder Bird Wyverns.
I think the Eagle Wyvern fighting Rathalos might be a sister clade to all other current Bird Wyverns, ones that kept and refined Igurueibisu’s feather-wings unlike Borudoru and Keputosu which used membrane-wings instead. This group, which Imma fall “Feather Wyverns” essentially fill the familiar bird niches we know, but some here like the one attacked by Rathalos, can get bigger
I think Yian Garuga is another good way to approach a powerful bird wyvern. Granted, i do wish we could get a mega version of one of the pack hunters lol.
Yian Garuga is pretty terrifying and feels like at least an early-to mid late gamer before you get into elder dragons. And the thing was breaking even with Deviljho in World. That's basically unheard of with bird wyverns. But I would also love to see another like it. On top of an extremely powerful pack hunting type raptor, like the Izuchi or Baggi
I'd love to agree to this but the skeleton is too small for it to be a Zorah isn't it? The size is similar to that of an Ukanlos. Though I only saw the Rib area, didn't see the skull yet. Is there a skull? Edit: Nvm, the skull is that hill looking thing in the middle. Still doesn't look like Zorah.
Could be a juvenile that didn't collect slot of rocks making it killable remember in world we fucked that big boi up but it didn't die and the size could support this I think the zorah we fought in world is prob 3 times bigger than this one making it being a juvenile more accurate
I can see a white or albino Nargacuga having a leucism, due to the white coloration it has a harder time hunting, thus more aggressive behavior, something like Blinking but that monster is overkill
@@enderknight1442 Yeah, I think brighter colors in nature is a detriment especially for carnivores and for Nargacuga which meant for sneaking, it's a recipe for an unsuccessful hunt
Doubtful. It's probably got a more advanced dragon element organ that also enhances its strength which means that as it ages it becomes more malformed and "droopy"
The white nargacuga honestly makes me want MH to have a shiny Pokémon system in which if you extremely lucky you may encounter an albino monster and then you could craft white armour from that monster. That could be awesome!
@@kiryukazuma8089 that kinda what I’m eluding too. Imagine you find a albino rajang, it’s not a new variant or sub but it’s just a rajang with white fur, and if you manage to slay or capture it you kinda gain access to a new layer armour thats white. And mabye you could have the icon in the hunters note also be able to appear albino. To be honest the only issue with this idea is that you could already colour armour.
@@IIIceFly I could imagine that maybe the armour could have a gloss effect on the armour or maybe it sparkles a wee bit. But yeah I think if this mechanic is going to happen then armour pigments may need to take a back seat in which I could imagine a lot of back lash would happen. On the plus hand tho I do have cool idea in if you start hunting the same monster again and again the chances of finding an albino will increase. Kinda like a combo and if you fail a quest you lose your chain.
The Frost Island skull is without a doubt a Zorah Magdaros, unless they add an incredibly similar monster then there's nothing else it can be. The only question is how old it was when it died.
The one in world went to die so it had to be old and this one was killed by a hunting fleet so it had to have been younger therefore smaller in size. Honestly unbelievable how he called is lao when the skull is obviously a zorah
@@kingofflames738 I’d guess subspecies if only that I can’t see a volcanic zorah walking around an icy biome, more likely a subspecies that prefers arctic environments. Just a guess though, could be wrong
That is most definitely a Zorah skull, the nose bone matches the zorah we face in world, not to mention that zorah has to distinct horns, while Lao has many.
I’m almost surprised that the burst species of diablos from frontier that’s colored red wasn’t brought up in the segment about the red diablos, seems like it would have been a cool thing to mention
Frontier's Nargacugas are also all capable of going full blue in a special mode of sorts when enraged, implying the fully white individuals and blue fur back up the fact that Frontier Nargas are all pure and perfect individuals. The frost island skull is LITERALLY A Zorah Magdaros, and the skull literally is just a Zorah Skull. Zorah is a relative of Lao anyways so it's natural its skeletal structure would be similar An Eagle Bird wyvern may have inspired Toridcless, the Sun God Aztec Thunderbird Monster from Frontier.
Could you imagine a survival thriller spinoff of monster hunter where the main protagonist is a wyverian survivor trying so hard to get to civilisation? The setting could introduce these unseen monsters that aren't as big a problem as main story monsters. Only s/he gets to actually see them because their stranded so deep in the middle of nowhere.
Subtitles available! Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:55 - Colorful Flagships 03:00 - Violent Wyvern 06:24 - Gendered Selectivity 09:00 - God Wyvern 10:55 - Crimson Emperor 12:04 - Unknown Mountain Dragon 13:38 - Nessie 15:22 - Eagle Wyvern Notes: - The skeleton in the Frost Islands has often been theorized to be a Zorah Magdaros, but as far as I am aware, the Rise Book does not confirm it. Sources: Hunter's Encyclopedia G Hunter's Encyclopedia 3 Monster Hunter Illustrations Vol. 1-3 Monster Hunter Law of Ideas 2 (15th Anniversary Book) Monster Hunter Rise Official Setting Materials
You know, with "Nessie"... I'm actually curious what sort of monster it is. If it is a Leviathan, I would like to see what's like up close, especially if we have swimming again.
The giant dead creature in the icy zone of Rise literally has the skull of a Zorah Magdaros. Also. Creatures not only have size variation in this series. But the one you fight in World is dying of old age. SO it is as big as possible.
Great video as always !! I was a bit suprised about you not mentionning Varusaburosu when talking about the Red Diablos, because you also talked about Odibatorasu regarding Akantor and Ukanlos a bit earlier.
I also heard that there was a monster that was a bird wyvern with a raptorial body and apparence but is covered in feathers and looks like a Falcon (especially its head). Overall it looks like a modern depiction of a Utahraptor albeit a solitary creature roughly the size of a Qeuropeco. It could be seen as the missing link between raptorial bird wyverns and 'true' bird wyverns. Canonically i think its just an undiscovered species that is rumored but not confirmed to exist in-universe yet.
This is freaking awesome!! Personally my favorite unseen monster is the Elder Piscine monster that is in one of the earlier concept artbooks of MH. I don't know if it is exist cannonically, but the Earth dragon is also cool.
I wonder if there has been more lore or official art about the "Shining Blue Dragon" subspecies of Alatreon that seems to only be mentioned in it's ecology.
Yian Garuga, and Scarred Yian Garuga are probably going to be the hardest bird wyverns we get, until 6th Gen at least, as they weren't introduced until the end of Master Rank.
I always wanted to have a mid - late game raptor like bird wyvern and the best option for it, without coming up with something new, was Scarface (Deviljho concept art) as a Glascanon rushdown predator, that is fast and agresive, but not as agile or jumpy as Odogaron. Jumping around headfirst in to battle like a discharging Fulgur.
I love how some of frontiers' monsters and some others may have been based on some of these mythical creatures. Like how the white nargacugas could be the lucent/blinking nargacuga or how the crimson diablos could've inspired the varusaburosu
Ok i saw most of these and was like "Ok thats pretty neat" but when you got to the Jurassic Frontier monster i assumed you were gonna talk abkut the Shen Gaoren in the bottom of the map. But i had no idea that mystery monster in the water ever existed
If I recall correctly, both Gobul and Dalamadur we fight in game are young ones of their species. And both go to extremely far off regions to grow massive. Gobul to the bottom of the ocean and Dalamadur far into the mountains.
It would be so cool if you could unlock new species too fight by collecting lore pages like we do in Rise or very well hidden tracks that eventually leads to a secret arena or have a small chance to encounter it during a free roam such as The Guiding Lands mode in Iceborne.
The Primal Forest from MH4 has entire areas that have you fight under or around the bones of a stupidly large mountainous sized dragons which is entirely unknown as to what they were but for all I know they could be just as big or even bigger than that dead Dalamadur from the Rotten Vale. Also theres that one dead (and HUGE) fossilized dragon sticking out of a ceiling of a cave maybe the rotten vale or Hoarfrost Reach i can't remember exactly which one.
There's a comically complete and posed skeleton of an Ibushi in the volcanic caverns in Rise, if that's what you're referring to. I'd also make a few additions: The numerous giant ribcages and strange bones (excluding the obvious dalamadur skeletons) that you can find in the Rotten Vale. One or multiple diplodocid style skulls in the Rotten Vale. The giant abelisaur style skull in the lower reaches of the Jurassic Frontier. The fossilized dragon skulls in the volcano in Rise (kind of look like the dragon from the monster hunter illustrations page 84, or maybe young tigrex). The unknown skulls that hunters fashion into helmets for the bone sets. Lastly, the giant "crocodile being attacked by the plesioth in Monster Hunter Illustrations page 51. It's body is long, slender, and very flexible like a serpent; seen wrapped around the Plesioth. Its neck is also rather long for where it's forelimbs seem to be, and a slight neck ridge reminiscent of Lagiacrus's hood. It's body plan seems to be somewhere between Lagiacrus and Najarala.
14:13 Yeeeaaah!! I've been wondering about this for years!! Even got a couple friends to see this all had us scratches our heads as to if it was a creature or something inanimate! So glad you acknowledged this!!
On that second deviljho on the bottom of its head it looks like a visible row of teeth, it could possibly split its lower jaw and that’s really cool to me
The black Deviljho relative seems to be covered in tar instead of having its skin fall off. I think the Pokke Chief mentions Male Gammoths once saying they're too dangerous to hunt.
the second violent wyvern if my eyes don't deceive me which they tend to do the bottom jaw doesn't seem to be connected like a predator from avp or the hypo giga and spino concept from the Isle. now that would be a fun monster to see
Amazing video 🙌🏻 the red diablos might have been the inspiration to the burst species in frontier Varusaboros (I think that’s its name) and also another giant monster that we don’t fight is the monk snail on the frost islands in Rise
Id love to see the thierd Deviljho relative in a game, it looks awesome and i want more higher tier brute Wyverns, or just more brute Wyverns in generall, one of the best catagorys in the series.
I think the second deviljho relative doesn’t just have massive incisors I think it’s jaw is split in 3 cause you can see the a row of teeth behind the centre 2 and that goes nearly to the back of the jaw
6:00 Okay but what about the tail of this creature? It has small resemblance to Glavenius tail. Could Glavenius be part of Violent Wyverns but split before Dragon element was introduced to Deviljho line?
3:12 you got a comprehensive idea that was well enough together to have at the very least, 1 illustration of it if not a really well detailed explanation might be the lore hoarder in me but i couldnt bring myself to consentingly, willingly yuck it in the trash
Here in August 2024. I'm here to say that, that Sand God Wyvern might be reused and will appear in Wilds, considering the game is set in a Desert environment.
I don't think the unknown moutain dragon is a frosty Lao shan ling I think it's a frost varient of a Zora because of how it's skull is shaped and considering that we could fit a small zone on the skeleton of the unknown moutain dragon it may be a smaller Zora that produces frost instead of fire
We did get a red Diablos armor in MHFU where it's also described as King Diablos. It is a japanese only event quest tho, but it's possible to obtain anywhere
12:00 If we took Frontier as canon (Considering you mentioned it in the video, lol), i think Red Diablos could've been an ancient generation of Diablos with that coloration, who would eventually move to a volcanic area and develop into Varusaburosu. It would fit the Burst Species' lore because it's said that it comes from a species related to Diablos that formerly lived in the desert but moved to the volcano. Maybe the Red Diablos' size requiring high amounts of food got them stuck into a cycle of being too starved to fight for it. The volcano cactus might've had little to no competition for it as food, and could've given the Red Diablos enough nutrients to guarantee they survival long enough to properly evolve into a smaller size and adapt to the catus' effects.
i mean a rathalos snaching its prey in the air might not be as far fetched as it sounds it may not do it to large flying monsters but it might do it on small flying monsters, well thats what i think at least .
Awesome video. I'd personally love if the Burst Species Varusaburosu from Frontier entered the main series (along with the other burst species, please?) as a crimson diablos.
The Crimson Diablos has appeared in Frontier also, his name Varsablos.. and im pretty sure Odibatros is the red desert god. one best thing about MHF, the develop team always try to stick to the original concept.. with MHF original flagship monster Espinas has appeared on the main series, hope more to come in the future
13:56 actually in monster hunter rise. If you go on top of the wrecked ship in the frost islands you’ll sometimes be able to see a giant snail moving in the distance.
Actually, if you look out in the sea in the frost area of monster hunter rise, you may see a jellyfish like monster walking across the water,I actually took a few pictures of it,I've genuinely never seen such a monster before but its also bio luminescent for sure And I've seen many out of bounds monsters perhaps there is one or two unknown monsters out of bounds in each map
Oh i didnt knew about the jurassic frontier forest monste! ive never go back from there, so didnt saw it till now. i think a future game that could be a better selling bomb than world would be one with a huge amount of ecology to do. similar to world or rise, but with many minor or less threatening monsters in the area that you could just watch. imagine a map were you can see form above a huge group of female mizutsune on a beach or a lake like if they were seals.
I would like to see the Astalos Concept art used as a monster. It looks great and im sure it would be very fun to fight it could use Poison/paralysis moves and like sergios use it legs to fight
For real I need to see some of these in game, the crimson diablos is something I'm dying to fight and would be a excellent shoe in for a bloodbath, If they ever bring back the jarrasic frontier it would be a excellent opportunity to give us a chance to fight some of the extinct monsters we see in the famy trees, like the wyvern rex, the different colours of nargacuga is something I acutaly think could be used to help break up the monotony of farming monsters, we could take all the subspecies which are littery just colour swaps like pink Rathain and treat them like shiny pokemon where 1 in every 20 rathian we fight are pink but they still give the same materials as they wouldn't be treated as different monsters, i think it would be a great way to implement them, especially with super rare ones like blue nargacuga
I think the Dalamadur in the Rotten Vale from MHWorld also counts. It’s far bigger than the one that is fought in 4U, leading many to speculate if it was a juvenile, but it’s never fought or seen.
Rather than (or in addition) to the sagging skin of the third violent wyvern being due to overexposure to dragon element, it could also be a part of that wyvern's defense? A soft and loose armor with maybe some fatty padding would also protect the muscles and other organs. Or maybe its skin comes off entirely as a defense! Like how some lizards lose their tails or how that one gecko loses its scales (Geckolepis megalepis). Its a neat design to speculate on
I like to image the monster bones in Rise is something similar to that of Jhen Mohran but an Ice version. Considering you fight that on a ship and in the last part of the fight the ship is stationary, could very well be where their final moments ended. Also regarding the "Nessie" one. There's a monster in rise that you see in the background of the Ice area that you can see moving but can't interact with. The eagle Wyvern could also be the seregios. Similar in body shape, and it even gives Rathalos a run for his money in one of the cutscenes.
Okay but why did I never notice that sneaky little guy in the JF Lake and now that’s gonna bother me forever why did I think it was like a log or a rock I didn’t know it moved I must’ve glanced for 3 seconds then been like meh I wonder what they intended it to be
We do actually have details about Male Gammoth, more than the other counterparts actually: Male Gammoth are extremely EXTREMELY Dangerous, being larger and stronger than female Gammoth. They also used unused concept art for Gammoth to represent them, saying they have less fur and a larger more shovel like tusk design. Male Gammoth are so dangerous they are one of the few monthers put on the "Do not hunt" List because a failed Gammoth male hunt would lead to a Male Gammoth rampaging and basically destroying a huge swathe of Land. The only upside is Male Gammoth are said to live in extremely remote locations.
I knew male would be more agrassive just like in reality
I guess they also live solitude lives like real elephant species.
Should've been made into a deviant
Source pls ?
@@bobisuncanny2760 I can't remember the artbook, but the one for Generations mentions the concept art and calls them male Gammoth and says they are too dangerous to hunt.
The Crimson Diablos may be a similar case to the giant Monoblos, Gravios and Glavenus, the existence of which can be inferred from the shells of Carapaceons.
To add with the case of the giant monsters inferred from the shells of the Carapaceons, there is also the giant Lao Shan Lung, inferred to the shell of the Shen Gaoren, and not only that a giant diablos, inferred to the shell of the Plum Daimyo Hermitaur.
Isnt the crimson diablos legit just varusa borusu?
The consept of red diablos may be re-use to creat Varusaburosu
Massacre Demon Diablos
@firejaggi7183 on top of that, the huge skeletons that are at the rotten vale are dalamadur skeletons, and they are much larger than average.
2:12 that hit zone is criminal
Ikr! Simply crazy
Another case of hiding monsters out of reach could be the monksnail in rise, i think it could definitely be classified as a large monster due to its size, even if it might not be problematic at all.
that's what i was thinking, rise was my first game and i saw that for the first time just by chance and it scared the absolute shit out of me due to its size, and how unexplained and mysterious it was!! i can't believe he didn't mention it
in my opinion monksnail wouldn't be mentioned
because even monksnail is large it's classified as rare endemic life so i think it wouldn't be mentioned even in the further video about unseen monster
and because what monster he discusses/ trying to find out in this video is relatives monster that can be hunt(on mission), if it's about all creature in monster hunter maybe he will add it
6:00 That Deviljho relative is literally otherworldly I agree.
Also you always put out top notch MonHun lore. Thank you Oceaniz!
I would absolutely love to see Odibatorasu canonized in mainline as the Red God of the Desert. He was really fun in Frontier, and his ability to manipulate and shove massive amounts of sand is cool.
We NEED Odibatorasu to show up whenever the black and white gods return.
And bring back that absolute banger of a battle theme, it’s perfection
@@emblemblade9245 they could be a good center place for a big three story line, and then they could add their own god monster. Maybe a water, thunder, or dragon god.
There should also be a water version
@@kiryukazuma8089 Ok yeah they deserve a storyline.
Ever heard of the in-game Hunter Life magazine in the first two gens? In Freedom 2, there’s an awesome buildup to Akantor you read about through that magazine
@@kiryukazuma8089 we’re overdo for a jungle god, maybe a green or blue god?
17:14 Couldn't agree more about needing a higher tier Bird Wyvern. Toridcless from Frontier has been one of my favorites for a long time, and with the uncharted waters we're in now after Espinas making into Sunbreak, it would be awesome to see him (or a similarly inspired monster, seriously, Thunderbirds have SO much potential as an inspiration) enter the main series as the rep for bigger and badder Bird Wyverns.
I think the Eagle Wyvern fighting Rathalos might be a sister clade to all other current Bird Wyverns, ones that kept and refined Igurueibisu’s feather-wings unlike Borudoru and Keputosu which used membrane-wings instead. This group, which Imma fall “Feather Wyverns” essentially fill the familiar bird niches we know, but some here like the one attacked by Rathalos, can get bigger
I think Yian Garuga is another good way to approach a powerful bird wyvern. Granted, i do wish we could get a mega version of one of the pack hunters lol.
@@kiryukazuma8089 Great Baggi is actually fucking enormous in 3U, it’s nuts.
ahtal ka being neopteron as final boss monster really fresh, theyre all just elder dragon this elder dragon that, last was aka and uka
Yian Garuga is pretty terrifying and feels like at least an early-to mid late gamer before you get into elder dragons. And the thing was breaking even with Deviljho in World. That's basically unheard of with bird wyverns. But I would also love to see another like it. On top of an extremely powerful pack hunting type raptor, like the Izuchi or Baggi
I thought it was widely accepted that the skull on the frost islands was Zorah Magdaros
Same here
I'd love to agree to this but the skeleton is too small for it to be a Zorah isn't it? The size is similar to that of an Ukanlos. Though I only saw the Rib area, didn't see the skull yet. Is there a skull?
Edit: Nvm, the skull is that hill looking thing in the middle. Still doesn't look like Zorah.
Could be a juvenile that didn't collect slot of rocks making it killable remember in world we fucked that big boi up but it didn't die and the size could support this I think the zorah we fought in world is prob 3 times bigger than this one making it being a juvenile more accurate
The skull was said to be a zoro magnaros skull
@@trylingual5347it’s small because it was killed as a juvenile lol
I can see a white or albino Nargacuga having a leucism, due to the white coloration it has a harder time hunting, thus more aggressive behavior, something like Blinking but that monster is overkill
Huh. Kind of reminds me of the Pink Rathian.
@@enderknight1442 Yeah, I think brighter colors in nature is a detriment especially for carnivores and for Nargacuga which meant for sneaking, it's a recipe for an unsuccessful hunt
i thought they confirmed that the frozen skeleton was a young Zorah Magdaros that hadn't matured enough to have its shell
I think the black sludge deviljho might be somewhat similar in concept to Vaal Hazak but more like it's a slime or ooze.
Probably
It looks like the taken came to monster hunter tho
Doubtful. It's probably got a more advanced dragon element organ that also enhances its strength which means that as it ages it becomes more malformed and "droopy"
Surprised you didn’t mentioned the Ancient Serpent. Especially since it’s one of the few unseen monsters that’s included in the phylogenetic tree.
Are you talking about the ancient Dalamadur relative structuring the Rotten Vale in World?
@@saphiramhno. He is about a ancestor of Lagiacrus and other leviathans
@spravzhniyhlopak ancient Serpent is an elder dragon tier piscine wyvern.
The white nargacuga honestly makes me want MH to have a shiny Pokémon system in which if you extremely lucky you may encounter an albino monster and then you could craft white armour from that monster. That could be awesome!
Ehhh, i feel it should just be kept to sub species, but that all monsters in game should get one
@@kiryukazuma8089 that kinda what I’m eluding too. Imagine you find a albino rajang, it’s not a new variant or sub but it’s just a rajang with white fur, and if you manage to slay or capture it you kinda gain access to a new layer armour thats white.
And mabye you could have the icon in the hunters note also be able to appear albino.
To be honest the only issue with this idea is that you could already colour armour.
@@afroling2096its still a cool idea. Maybe the armour would have something unique so it didn't like like normal armour that you could colour white
@@IIIceFly I could imagine that maybe the armour could have a gloss effect on the armour or maybe it sparkles a wee bit. But yeah I think if this mechanic is going to happen then armour pigments may need to take a back seat in which I could imagine a lot of back lash would happen.
On the plus hand tho I do have cool idea in if you start hunting the same monster again and again the chances of finding an albino will increase. Kinda like a combo and if you fail a quest you lose your chain.
Nah please, not something else to farm that depends purely on luck, it will be torture.
The Frost Island skull is without a doubt a Zorah Magdaros, unless they add an incredibly similar monster then there's nothing else it can be.
The only question is how old it was when it died.
Why should it be a zorah magdaros
The one in world went to die so it had to be old and this one was killed by a hunting fleet so it had to have been younger therefore smaller in size. Honestly unbelievable how he called is lao when the skull is obviously a zorah
@@drpepp. the skull shape is almost identical to zorah and both mountain dragons are long due to their size. Saying it’s long is irrelevant
@@drpepp. because it's a Zorah skull. It's the same one as the one in the guiding lands. If not a Zorah, then a subspecies of Zorah.
@@kingofflames738 I’d guess subspecies if only that I can’t see a volcanic zorah walking around an icy biome, more likely a subspecies that prefers arctic environments. Just a guess though, could be wrong
5:55 this is like the new Rompopolo from MH Wilds, at least in the esthetic.
12:00 ,the skull isn't even a lao-shan skull, it looks a lot like a zorah, maybe a juvenile that didn't fully grow before the fight?
Didn't they confrim its a Zorah skull?
@@dilophoraptordouble i dunno but im very sure it's a zorah skull
That is most definitely a Zorah skull, the nose bone matches the zorah we face in world, not to mention that zorah has to distinct horns, while Lao has many.
10:35 im sorry that voice crack got me
I’m almost surprised that the burst species of diablos from frontier that’s colored red wasn’t brought up in the segment about the red diablos, seems like it would have been a cool thing to mention
Frontier's Nargacugas are also all capable of going full blue in a special mode of sorts when enraged, implying the fully white individuals and blue fur back up the fact that Frontier Nargas are all pure and perfect individuals.
The frost island skull is LITERALLY A Zorah Magdaros, and the skull literally is just a Zorah Skull. Zorah is a relative of Lao anyways so it's natural its skeletal structure would be similar
An Eagle Bird wyvern may have inspired Toridcless, the Sun God Aztec Thunderbird Monster from Frontier.
I was thinking of the Roc
Could you imagine a survival thriller spinoff of monster hunter where the main protagonist is a wyverian survivor trying so hard to get to civilisation? The setting could introduce these unseen monsters that aren't as big a problem as main story monsters. Only s/he gets to actually see them because their stranded so deep in the middle of nowhere.
Subtitles available!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:55 - Colorful Flagships
03:00 - Violent Wyvern
06:24 - Gendered Selectivity
09:00 - God Wyvern
10:55 - Crimson Emperor
12:04 - Unknown Mountain Dragon
13:38 - Nessie
15:22 - Eagle Wyvern
Notes:
- The skeleton in the Frost Islands has often been theorized to be a Zorah Magdaros, but as far as I am aware, the Rise Book does not confirm it.
Sources:
Hunter's Encyclopedia G
Hunter's Encyclopedia 3
Monster Hunter Illustrations Vol. 1-3
Monster Hunter Law of Ideas 2 (15th Anniversary Book)
Monster Hunter Rise Official Setting Materials
Thanks For the timestamps! Always useful!
You know, with "Nessie"... I'm actually curious what sort of monster it is. If it is a Leviathan, I would like to see what's like up close, especially if we have swimming again.
10:37 can’t forget the voice crack 🤣
It's obvious a Zorah skull lol
The giant dead creature in the icy zone of Rise literally has the skull of a Zorah Magdaros.
Also.
Creatures not only have size variation in this series.
But the one you fight in World is dying of old age.
SO it is as big as possible.
Great video as always !! I was a bit suprised about you not mentionning Varusaburosu when talking about the Red Diablos, because you also talked about Odibatorasu regarding Akantor and Ukanlos a bit earlier.
I also heard that there was a monster that was a bird wyvern with a raptorial body and apparence but is covered in feathers and looks like a Falcon (especially its head). Overall it looks like a modern depiction of a Utahraptor albeit a solitary creature roughly the size of a Qeuropeco. It could be seen as the missing link between raptorial bird wyverns and 'true' bird wyverns.
Canonically i think its just an undiscovered species that is rumored but not confirmed to exist in-universe yet.
This is freaking awesome!! Personally my favorite unseen monster is the Elder Piscine monster that is in one of the earlier concept artbooks of MH. I don't know if it is exist cannonically, but the Earth dragon is also cool.
its funny, I have played like 400 hours of rise, and never once did i ever question the GIANT DRAGON BONES in the ice area lol
I wonder if there has been more lore or official art about the "Shining Blue Dragon" subspecies of Alatreon that seems to only be mentioned in it's ecology.
Yian Garuga, and Scarred Yian Garuga are probably going to be the hardest bird wyverns we get, until 6th Gen at least, as they weren't introduced until the end of Master Rank.
Yess we need more late game bird wyvern or late game raptor
Hope 6th gen brings in Toridcless.
@@Sing_LoveWRS it's not confirmed or likely at all but damn do I want to fight that thing in a modern game
I always wanted to have a mid - late game raptor like bird wyvern and the best option for it, without coming up with something new, was Scarface (Deviljho concept art) as a Glascanon rushdown predator, that is fast and agresive, but not as agile or jumpy as Odogaron. Jumping around headfirst in to battle like a discharging Fulgur.
13:03 its a zorah magdaros look at the horns
The dragon skeleton in the Frost Islands is a Zorah Magdoros
I love how some of frontiers' monsters and some others may have been based on some of these mythical creatures. Like how the white nargacugas could be the lucent/blinking nargacuga or how the crimson diablos could've inspired the varusaburosu
There’s also the Jungle Gharial, a species of crocodile shown being hunted by a Plesioth in the art book
13:43
I think that's just an aquatic Sub specie of the nibblesnarf
Ok i saw most of these and was like "Ok thats pretty neat" but when you got to the Jurassic Frontier monster i assumed you were gonna talk abkut the Shen Gaoren in the bottom of the map. But i had no idea that mystery monster in the water ever existed
Did you know that if you exhaust the Grammowster chef's dialog in Seliyana, she mentions the commander and admiral meeting a BLACK MONSTER.
10:00 maybe we'll get to see them in wilds?
Didn't Capcom say that the skull was literally a Zorah Magdaros tho
If I recall correctly, both Gobul and Dalamadur we fight in game are young ones of their species. And both go to extremely far off regions to grow massive. Gobul to the bottom of the ocean and Dalamadur far into the mountains.
We see a mature sala in 4u
Dala
@@christianlaguna9520 I believe that is not a fully grown one? My memory is fuzzy but I think it’s still growing.
13:37 that skull looks more like it belongs to Zora than lao
It would be so cool if you could unlock new species too fight by collecting lore pages like we do in Rise or very well hidden tracks that eventually leads to a secret arena or have a small chance to encounter it during a free roam such as The Guiding Lands mode in Iceborne.
The Primal Forest from MH4 has entire areas that have you fight under or around the bones of a stupidly large mountainous sized dragons which is entirely unknown as to what they were but for all I know they could be just as big or even bigger than that dead Dalamadur from the Rotten Vale.
Also theres that one dead (and HUGE) fossilized dragon sticking out of a ceiling of a cave maybe the rotten vale or Hoarfrost Reach i can't remember exactly which one.
Yeah, I love how you can see that skeleton in the Primal Forest across several zones
There's a comically complete and posed skeleton of an Ibushi in the volcanic caverns in Rise, if that's what you're referring to.
I'd also make a few additions:
The numerous giant ribcages and strange bones (excluding the obvious dalamadur skeletons) that you can find in the Rotten Vale.
One or multiple diplodocid style skulls in the Rotten Vale.
The giant abelisaur style skull in the lower reaches of the Jurassic Frontier.
The fossilized dragon skulls in the volcano in Rise (kind of look like the dragon from the monster hunter illustrations page 84, or maybe young tigrex).
The unknown skulls that hunters fashion into helmets for the bone sets.
Lastly, the giant "crocodile being attacked by the plesioth in Monster Hunter Illustrations page 51. It's body is long, slender, and very flexible like a serpent; seen wrapped around the Plesioth. Its neck is also rather long for where it's forelimbs seem to be, and a slight neck ridge reminiscent of Lagiacrus's hood. It's body plan seems to be somewhere between Lagiacrus and Najarala.
14:13 Yeeeaaah!! I've been wondering about this for years!! Even got a couple friends to see this all had us scratches our heads as to if it was a creature or something inanimate! So glad you acknowledged this!!
You should do a part 2 this video was very intriguing.
On that second deviljho on the bottom of its head it looks like a visible row of teeth, it could possibly split its lower jaw and that’s really cool to me
Great game man!, and also the unknown leviathan monster looks like a mix between a niblesnarf, and lagiacrus
I dont think I ever saw anyone cover some of these monster before. Great video my dude
The black Deviljho relative seems to be covered in tar instead of having its skin fall off.
I think the Pokke Chief mentions Male Gammoths once saying they're too dangerous to hunt.
10:36 that voice crack tho
the second violent wyvern if my eyes don't deceive me which they tend to do the bottom jaw doesn't seem to be connected like a predator from avp or the hypo giga and spino concept from the Isle. now that would be a fun monster to see
15:26 For the bird wyverns, Capcom has released an older version of Monster Hunter called Hypnocatrice
Amazing video 🙌🏻 the red diablos might have been the inspiration to the burst species in frontier Varusaboros (I think that’s its name) and also another giant monster that we don’t fight is the monk snail on the frost islands in Rise
Getting a giant high tier Eagle Wyvern would be amazing
Id love to see the thierd Deviljho relative in a game, it looks awesome and i want more higher tier brute Wyverns, or just more brute Wyverns in generall, one of the best catagorys in the series.
i want all the jho offshoots in a game
Also ircc Abiorugu and Giaorugu from Frontier are implied to be relatives of Deviljho albeit not nearly as strong as the brutish pickle.
I think the second deviljho relative doesn’t just have massive incisors I think it’s jaw is split in 3 cause you can see the a row of teeth behind the centre 2 and that goes nearly to the back of the jaw
4:58 looks like the bottom jaw can spilt aswell u can see small teeth on the bottom running down the middle of the jaw. Looks cool as
6:00 Okay but what about the tail of this creature? It has small resemblance to Glavenius tail. Could Glavenius be part of Violent Wyverns but split before Dragon element was introduced to Deviljho line?
12:01 there's a red diablos in Frontier, one of the burst / origin species
10:36 voice crack
Hopefully we'll see some of these desert monsters in MH Wilds
14:18 reminds me of the snout of a Nibelsnarf. But idk if they can take to the waters, or if they exclusively live in the desert
3:12 you got a comprehensive idea that was well enough together to have at the very least, 1 illustration of it if not a really well detailed explanation
might be the lore hoarder in me but i couldnt bring myself to consentingly, willingly yuck it in the trash
Here in August 2024. I'm here to say that, that Sand God Wyvern might be reused and will appear in Wilds, considering the game is set in a Desert environment.
I would kill if you made an ecology video on Spore Hero
Is it the Wings of Ruin Rathalos from MH Stories 2?
5:41 i think this design now use for gore magala right?
I don't think the unknown moutain dragon is a frosty Lao shan ling I think it's a frost varient of a Zora because of how it's skull is shaped and considering that we could fit a small zone on the skeleton of the unknown moutain dragon it may be a smaller Zora that produces frost instead of fire
Always excited to see new content 🙏 another banger video fr king
We did get a red Diablos armor in MHFU where it's also described as King Diablos. It is a japanese only event quest tho, but it's possible to obtain anywhere
Another example is Adult Gobul, the ones we fight are juveniles while the adults are found in the deep sea.
I love watching and listening to your videos. Legit story or not it's all entertaining. Especially the World and Crimson Diablos.
12:00 If we took Frontier as canon (Considering you mentioned it in the video, lol), i think Red Diablos could've been an ancient generation of Diablos with that coloration, who would eventually move to a volcanic area and develop into Varusaburosu.
It would fit the Burst Species' lore because it's said that it comes from a species related to Diablos that formerly lived in the desert but moved to the volcano. Maybe the Red Diablos' size requiring high amounts of food got them stuck into a cycle of being too starved to fight for it. The volcano cactus might've had little to no competition for it as food, and could've given the Red Diablos enough nutrients to guarantee they survival long enough to properly evolve into a smaller size and adapt to the catus' effects.
i mean a rathalos snaching its prey in the air might not be as far fetched as it sounds it may not do it to large flying monsters but it might do it on small flying monsters, well thats what i think at least .
The Deviljho at 6:00 also seems to have a glavenus-like tail. Maybe they share a common ancestor?
U saw the tree yeah they are both brute wyvern
Awesome video. I'd personally love if the Burst Species Varusaburosu from Frontier entered the main series (along with the other burst species, please?) as a crimson diablos.
Love your content man!😊😊🎉🎉
2:13 oof that tail always get me
The Crimson Diablos has appeared in Frontier also, his name Varsablos.. and im pretty sure Odibatros is the red desert god.
one best thing about MHF, the develop team always try to stick to the original concept..
with MHF original flagship monster Espinas has appeared on the main series, hope more to come in the future
13:37 well, that's a Zorah skull, no doubt about it. It May have been à Zorah subspecies, but it's not a Lao, it's a Zorah
17:00 it seems closer to a Seregios than an Astalos?
This is fascinating, subbed!
8:38 that gammoth ecology is so cute
13:56 actually in monster hunter rise. If you go on top of the wrecked ship in the frost islands you’ll sometimes be able to see a giant snail moving in the distance.
We actually know what that is! Its called a Monksnail and has an official Hunter's Notes entry! You can even get it as a plushie hat armor :3
Wave to it, it’s a friend.
In other franchise, they introduced the Lucent Nargacuga, a very speciaal hunter permit must be obtained before they hunt a specific monster
Speaking of high tier bird wyvern, i wonder why they havent done a Phoenix yet. That’d be an easy high ranker imo.
Yes! Soooo overdue in giving us an awesome bird wyvern. There are so many references to pick from, and I know they could do it justice 🥰
Actually, if you look out in the sea in the frost area of monster hunter rise, you may see a jellyfish like monster walking across the water,I actually took a few pictures of it,I've genuinely never seen such a monster before but its also bio luminescent for sure And I've seen many out of bounds monsters perhaps there is one or two unknown monsters out of bounds in each map
That doesn't count since it's not really unknown, it has a hunter's journal entry and everything.
Its named Monksnail (i got it from other comment) , u can search there are videos showing it😁
Oh i didnt knew about the jurassic frontier forest monste! ive never go back from there, so didnt saw it till now.
i think a future game that could be a better selling bomb than world would be one with a huge amount of ecology to do. similar to world or rise, but with many minor or less threatening monsters in the area that you could just watch.
imagine a map were you can see form above a huge group of female mizutsune on a beach or a lake like if they were seals.
I would like to see the Astalos Concept art used as a monster. It looks great and im sure it would be very fun to fight
it could use Poison/paralysis moves and like sergios use it legs to fight
For real I need to see some of these in game, the crimson diablos is something I'm dying to fight and would be a excellent shoe in for a bloodbath,
If they ever bring back the jarrasic frontier it would be a excellent opportunity to give us a chance to fight some of the extinct monsters we see in the famy trees, like the wyvern rex,
the different colours of nargacuga is something I acutaly think could be used to help break up the monotony of farming monsters, we could take all the subspecies which are littery just colour swaps like pink Rathain and treat them like shiny pokemon where 1 in every 20 rathian we fight are pink but they still give the same materials as they wouldn't be treated as different monsters, i think it would be a great way to implement them, especially with super rare ones like blue nargacuga
11- the misterious skull shogun uses sometimes
I think the Dalamadur in the Rotten Vale from MHWorld also counts. It’s far bigger than the one that is fought in 4U, leading many to speculate if it was a juvenile, but it’s never fought or seen.
I would LOVE to see the deviljho-like creature come to life! it’s a perfect mix of menacing and mysterious. A very threatening pickle
Perhaps the "red Diablos" was in fact a Varusaburosu
Rather than (or in addition) to the sagging skin of the third violent wyvern being due to overexposure to dragon element, it could also be a part of that wyvern's defense? A soft and loose armor with maybe some fatty padding would also protect the muscles and other organs. Or maybe its skin comes off entirely as a defense! Like how some lizards lose their tails or how that one gecko loses its scales (Geckolepis megalepis). Its a neat design to speculate on
Just like Odibatorasu being the Red God of the Desert. Couldn't Varusaburosu be the crimson diablos? I mean its literally a crimson-coloured Diablos.
this!
Maybe stupid question, but how can he wear the lavasioth Armor Set + while encountering dodogama for the first time?! O.o 00:21
Just replaying the cutscene with that armor on would be my guess
I like to image the monster bones in Rise is something similar to that of Jhen Mohran but an Ice version. Considering you fight that on a ship and in the last part of the fight the ship is stationary, could very well be where their final moments ended.
Also regarding the "Nessie" one. There's a monster in rise that you see in the background of the Ice area that you can see moving but can't interact with.
The eagle Wyvern could also be the seregios. Similar in body shape, and it even gives Rathalos a run for his money in one of the cutscenes.
Akantor and Ukanlos desert relative might be in Monster Hunter Wilds so we might see the idea being relized eventually
Okay but why did I never notice that sneaky little guy in the JF Lake and now that’s gonna bother me forever why did I think it was like a log or a rock I didn’t know it moved I must’ve glanced for 3 seconds then been like meh I wonder what they intended it to be