I kinda agree with you on this. I feel the game shouldn’t have to tell me what to do. Endless knight is the Best challenge map because it lets you choose how to take the enemies down.
Alot of the challenges on predator maps are extremely luck based, or hardly work at all at times, if they made the challenge time based i feel it would have made the maps alot better
I've always thought time based would be so much better. Like, I appreciate that the challenges make you really learn the best way to use all the gadgets in the game but god damn, these challenges get really annoying.
Then you could cheese the maps and copy the exact same strategy you see online to get the best time for every character in every map. They should've just made the challenges worth completing. What if completing a maps challanges as a non Batman character would grant them a skill point for their own unique skill tree?? Catwoman could be upgraded alongside Batman to a lesser extent in arkham city so imagine if they did that for the arkham knight characters! This would def give players a real reason to give af about attempting map challenges for each playable character.
@@artispatterson5427 But the issue isn't cheesing, it's that the challenges are fucking boring lmao. A time trial would actually be fun because it doesn't control exactly how you play, it's just asking you to play well.
@@TommFoolery I already addressed the issue of the challenges being boring and unfulfilling to complete in my other comment and the maps are already timed and record your fastest record regardless if you complete the challenges or not.
@@artispatterson5427 No, you just said to reward the players for the challenges instead of making the challenges themselves intresting. There's no way to do challenges and make it fun because being told how to play ruins the fun of stealth. Best you could do is "use *insert gadget here" and leave it at that
I kinda wish the predator maps were more time based and determine your score via the variety of takedowns you perform, like certain moves earn more points than others
... But that was an actual feature in Arkham Origins. Depending on the variety of your takedowns/moves, if you were spotted by enemies or not and if you got hit or not you would get a score ranging from D (Capable predator) C (Superior vigilante) B (Master vigilante) A (Legendary vigilante) and S (Apex predator) and each score gave you a certain amount of XP, if you sucked real hard and got a D you would get zero XP for example.
I get both sides of the argument about the predator challenge maps, me personally, these challenge maps in a way enhances your playing style when playing the game, by you doing the tasks required, it then shows you a new way of taking out an enemy, and my favourite part is that you can then do the challenges in such a quick succession that even though it does sound very cliche, it makes you feel like Batman, and being able to develop your own way playing it enables you to have your own batman compared to anyone else
Knight fixed this problem a little bit with the voice synth. You could force enemies into a really specific spot, at least 2-3 times. The previous games had the sonic baterang but it had a charge time, could be destroyed, and was unreliable at placing enemies. They'd stand near it, not directly where you told them.
I always found predator maps really controlling of my play style. There wasn't any "point" to play them other than to do the challenges so you basically would just have to play them how the game said
gotta be honest ive never payed attention to the objectives. i love the predator sections and for years of playing them ive never once bothered to complete an objective, i really just find the fun in doing something new and creative every time i play a map. it lets me immerse myself into the characters and setting more and so i think thats much more fun than completing any of the objectives. i like that they’re there, im just not interested in conforming to them.
the extreme arkham city predator maps infuriated me so much. all the guides i watched did them so quick and i could barely follow them. i prefer the combat maps over the predator ones
I agree with you because from my perspective, when I play city or any other arkham game, I wish I could do things my way and do it the fastest I can without challenges keeping me back from what I want to
I think a game that did the predator challenges perfectly was Splinter cell Blacklist. Your goal is to survive 10 waves of increasingly tougher enemies, you could go in there and assault them all but it was to your advantage to be the predator, to stalk the shadows and pick them off one by one.
it never made sense to me that in Arkham city the predator maps start with a prompt to take out all enemies as fast as possible but then time doesn’t matter
I feel like when done right, the maps make me try things I never would otherwise and are fun because of the objective still having multiple way to tackle them. But like you said, it often leads to just feeling like you're on a leash.
I have a love-hate relationship with the predator maps. On one hand, it is the part of the game. I constantly replay because I love predator sections in the Arkham games. The other hand I do wish you had more freedom to do whatever you want without the game pretty much telling you “man you suck” at the end. Certain characters I just don’t play as in the predator maps because I know for a fact they objectives which just make the level un-fun. I wish there was a way to turn off the achievements and just have it be a time based mission. Or better yet just get rid of any objective besides clearing the room without being killed. This is why endless night is probably my favorite map in the series. The game just tells you to take out as many enemies as possible, and even when you inevitably die, it doesn’t feel like you failed, but instead it’s a challenge to do better next time So the missions that are a bit more relaxed when it comes to objectives are definitely my preferred levels. But with this being said, I also don’t mind the objectives since that allows me to figure out how to optimize the missions to either get them out of the way quickly, or to work them in in between more unique takedowns and get the best time I can in the process
I have the same issue with objectives too. They're too limiting and basically dictate the play style. I find myself having to choose between having fun or completing the objectives. I shouldn't have that problem.
Although I agree with it's usually best to just watch a guide I think the idea is testing your skill and knowledge of the games aspects. Like the combat challenging you to get the best score possible has to involve variation with that even if not explicitly told so. Because especially with knight challenges, which I've done all of they're very subjective and obnoxious when trying to do what I did with them, doing all possible challenges with every character it's very restricted when it comes to some parts and sometimes near impossible without a guide like with harley especially for them.
Before I started to do all the challenge maps in these games, I thought the predator challenges would be like: Take out all enemies, never get caught, do it in x amount of time But after realizing that all the challenges are just do x move, I didn't initially mind, but doing some of the challenges in City made me pull me hair out because some of these challenges require to take a certain enemy out and a specific position because else the enemy would never be lined up again for that challenge.
I’m glad someone talked about this. I love predator maps but I also hate them sometimes because of how stupid the AI can be as well as the challenges. I think it’d be a lot more fun if it was high score based, like a silent takedown is 25 points and special takedowns are 50, fear take downs are 75, etc,
I think the objectives are fine in this case because you can have your options within the story and choose how to take rooms out in the game, and these are specifically just seperate challenges. The difference between this and Assassin's Creed is the fact that the optional objectives in AC are story related instead of separate challenges
Here’s what’s both great and half-baked about Arkham Predator: Batman’s stated goal is to make criminals afraid. Fear is turned into an adaptive difficulty in these games… sort of. The more people in a room Batman takes out silently (in other words, the more efficiently you beat the encounter), the quicker and more afraid the criminals will get. You as the player are aligned with Batman because you both want to do well and make enemies afraid The catch is that the more afraid enemies become, the more quickly and sporadically they move, and the more often they look behind them. This all makes it slightly more difficult to sneak up to them and take them down. If you go into an encounter guns-a blazing, the fight will take longer to advance, which means it will take longer for criminals to reach the sporadic, “terrified” state. You get punished with longer times for less efficient play, but you get challenged with more sporadic and varied enemy behavior earlier if you take them out quickly The better you do, the game gets slightly harder This effect is neutered by the fact that in the games after Asylum, you’re given so many gadgets that the last 1-2 guys being in “Terrified” state aren’t much of a threat because you can disable or disarm their gun, or do any other number of things. This could’ve been balanced better, at least on higher difficulties - perhaps putting more enemy types that force you to use your disruptor and smoke early on and allowing more enemies to reach the “Terrified” state at the same time, but the system is still great on a conceptual level I just wish they pushed this mechanic to a further extreme. I always trash Origins for not doing new stuff, but imagine it implemented something like the nemesis system in the Mordor series where the better you get at quickly and stealthily taking out enemies in predator encounters, the more quickly enemies become spooked in general and it gets more difficult to maintain the same level of play. A year 2 game would suit itself perfectly to this because your actions as the player would directly affect Batman’s early development as a legend, which affects how the game plays out. They could’ve had enemies that were more easily alerted to you, they could’ve had pre-activated mines/traps for players that did well where some players wouldn’t have that, and they could’ve thrown more enemies of different variations in while players on the lower end would see less enemies and more standard enemies. This system would’ve simultaneously prevented the criticism that the game didn’t do anything to innovate and also gave the game it’s own unique place in the Arkham series - both things it desperately lacked and needed. It also would’ve mechanically justified the game’s existence as a prequel instead of just being Arkham City but set earlier in his career Great mechanic, perfect for Batman - wish more people noticed it’s depth and potential!
I hate the predator maps so much. some of the objectives are extremely annoying as well, and I find myself restarting A LOT just because one enemy moved a little too quickly or a little too slowly because of RNG, and having to go through all of them again to get to that point, and HOPEFULLY get it right this time.
I can understand where you’re coming from and I, too, get that feeling, sometimes. But thankfully, we don’t always have to follow the tactics in those challenges and that gives us the freedom of creativity.
I think the maps are usually great but some of the challenges are dumb. I typically just play it without getting any stars since I am great at stealth and ok at combat
I can do it it is just some are tedious and and annoying to do since they need to be in the right place at the right time and it only happens once in a play through. I would rather go and have fun doing it my own way. This is why I love Endless Knight since I can do whatever I want and my high score has been around 60 to 70 and only stopped there because I had to go so I died on purpose
Yeah, a lot of times you need to move an enemy to a certain place for a takedown, but the ai gets smarter depending on how many you've taken out already, so they deliberately avoid the area you need them in and stop responding to lures.
I agree 100% with you. I’ve played through each game a ton of times (I can’t even remember how many) and I’ve only ever done a couple predator maps throughout the series for each game roughly. I’ve done a lot more challenge maps. when I fail at doing the obj. they want I just don’t care to keep trying bc Ik I’m not bad at the game and I don’t feel like looking up a guide. now I’ve been able to figure some out on my own before, but mostly I haven’t and I’m not big on them either
I don't know how to address the randomness so I'll skip it but storywise as far as I know the challenge maps themselves are simulations using the Batcomputer. And the objectives seem to be self-imposed restrictions by the characters where in some cases they don't have freedom to choose.
Honestly I thought I was the only one that didn't like the predator maps I thought the predator maps were aggravating only because of the time limit in the restrictions and what I have to do in order to clear the room instead of just letting me clear the room
I agree in the sense that I don’t like having to play a specific way, especially because I live by the philosophy of “shit happens”. If I take someone out that was supposed to be taken out last, oh well. In my eyes, I’m Batman, I stopped the bad guys, I still saved the day.
I will say, I like how in Knight we get the voice synthesizer to direct henchmen to a certain spot. It’s sooo helpful especially in challenges with very specific criteria. Terminal Velocity is the bane of my existence 🥲 I hate how specific it is and how much time I waste doing set up to get enemies to act a certain way. Predator isn’t really my forte anyway, but I definitely agree that I would’ve liked something more time based or would score you based on the types of takedowns you do.
The pathing is definitely the worst part of the predator maps. Sometimes they just don't react how you expect them to and they completely ruin your strat. I have some pretty decent times on a couple of the predator maps throughout the series but a lot of them have challenges that can be extremely tedious especially which makes it hard to do quickly.
i personally feel the challenges make the maps more interesting, in the main game nothing holds you to just do silent takedowns and complete the section in 5 minutes, but the challenges forces you to use critical thinking about ur gadgets and the thugs patterns, you have to study their movements and how they react to it, that's the truest batman experience, the "prep time", and as you see there are people who complete it in 40-50 seconds and the masters who complete it in 20-5 seconds, so i don't think is holding you back or making you slower, in my case it forced me to think and play better rather than just use smoke granades all the time with multi fear takedowns, because after 50 "kills" in endless knight thats all you can do to keep rising the numbers, i still love that map dont get me wrong but you can't talk about "i want to be batman" when you want the gameplay to be mindless takedowns
Last year TH-cam really pushed out a lot of Arkham Knight challenge maps through its algorithm and usually the most fun and creative ones were the ones that didn't follow the objectives at all.
Speaking as someone who got really dedicated to the predator challenges (ranked top 100 on the endless knight leaderboard): I think it would have just been way better if you could have chosen between time trials, time and challenges, and endless knight on all maps. Challenges often really stifle gameplay. I found some maps (like robins one in a half-built skyscraper) really fun because you have to plan it like a puzzle, but others were **very** stale because their ideas of a challenge just get tedious, often the case for the maps alternate characters, and like the video mentions a lot of it requires set-up for RNG or spamming stuff like the freeze grenade and bat-claw to to position them, which ruins your time. If you had the option of challenges and time based ranking, time based rankings, and endless knight ranking, I’d reliably find the 2 that weren’t included a lot of fun, and find 1 of them occasionally worth the hassle. EDIT: Also, before it was patched Arkham knights predator matches only started timing you when you were seen, not when you were known (took out the first enemy, had a gadget noticed, etc) so all leaderboards are incredibly slow with glitched runs that can’t be replicated, and it means endless knight is the only map you could get a high ranking on today.
I love challenge maps, but yeah the predator challenges can really suck. If I had to make a fix I’d say that the challenges should be split up accordingly: 1. Gadget takedown challenges 2. Time based challenges (maybe take out the Detective Mode Jammer within x amount of time) 3. Specialty challenges
I like 'em. It's like a puzzle. How am I gonna get all these stars in one run? How do I position myself and the thugs? Where should I place my traps? How do I do all this is a set time limit? Stuff like that. That's why I really like Arkham Asylum's Silent Knight Extreme Map as it wants you to take out three thugs with three different walls with explosive gel at the same time, so I spent time trying to figure it out, really squeeze the level layout and seeing what works, and eventually know enough where I can do it all as well as the other stars all in one run and when you finally do that it's satisfying af. You learnt and examined the level to it's core and now you can get all three stars in one swoop like the World's Greatest Detective would. It's really satisfying. Sure, some are kinda shit like Top of the World Extreme but what can ya do? I also really liked Arkham Knight's Uncontainable and High Flyers maps as due to their stars, I had to keep a mental note and plan ahead on what to do in order to get the stars. Pretty neat. Also, if I wanted to do whatever I wanted I could always just ignore the star challenges, which I also very frequently do.
Platinumed the Return to Arkham - Arkham Asylum last week. I saved the Predator Challengesto last because I knew the best way was to just watch a TH-cam video of how to do the room and copy it
I feel like predator’s medals should reward you for your planning, strategy, efficiency and creativity. You’ll get higher points if you take down your enemies quickly or use different methods each time.
Going to be honest. Might sound stupid but I think there should maybe be like a sandbox mode where you choose whatever map and whatever character you’ve discovered like scarecrow, death stroke etc… you can play as in it but the game chooses the Militia and stuff. Like maybe a practice mode is what I’m trying to say
I dig the pred maps. Its like having the story broken up into bite size chunks and endlessly revisit-able without starting an entire new game. You are only ‘forced’ to play a certain way once, for the challenges. And you dont ‘fail’ if you dont do them. They give you multiple ’rooms’ filled with bad guys to jump into whenever and as often as you like. All the challenges can be worked out with some time and observation. Learning the proper order of things is half the point imo. Watching guides takes away half the challenge. Im not surprised people get bored of them if they are only doing half the ‘work’ andnot learning the map for themselves. Each to their own i guess, but imo, the more maps the better. Give us a map representing every encounter in the story.
I think for me personally, i really struggle to rack up the points on combat challenges - theyre the only reason i havent 100%'ed all the games. Predator Challenges are nice and easy - and if you struggle you can follow along someone elses strategy. Combat challenges are unpredictable, so you can't really follow someone elses attempt
I enjoyed them in Asylum, City and Origins. But they became way too big, complicated and tedious in Arkham Knight. I 100% the first 3 games, didn't play them much in Knight
I'd agree on City if they hadn't made Riddler campaigns a thing. Playing through City with its cramped rooms and limited-use gadgets was way more of a headache than Knight.
I fully agree with you. I understand why they made it the way they did but it kills my want to do them when the challenges are so specific. There’s a reason I have 3 stars on a lot of the combat but not the predator
On your last video saying what you would want on an Arkham Origins sequel, I gave my list of Arkham games from favorite to least favorite, not including knight. Well, playstation is now giving you free games for ps+, one being Knight. I have completely over 50% of the game and honestly, it's tied with first place for City. It would be first, but the batmobile/tank sections every other mission is annoying
I just wish they made more Predator Maps that are more flexible for Harley Quinn. They seem like they’re tailored more towards Batman, Catwoman, Nightwing, Robin and Red Hood. It’s especially difficult with her Loud Takedowns when it comes to alerting enemies and then immediately finding you. It’s upsetting when they’re not many areas to escape from enemies with Harley Quinn.😂😂
Tbh Jay, I feel challenge maps in Arkham are really there to frustrate people Medals and Riddler lmao, unless its batman but as another playable character I've had to restart many challenges I saw two people standing next to each other for a ledge takedown nothing appeared and not just that either because I've had opportunities to take down certain enemies or more or how ever many there are or even how the objectives told me too its complicated! but Its just not for me, I want emersion, storytelling I wanna appreciate the map and just free roam the beautiful Gotham city like Rocksteady said we would! There are things they knew they could have made up for in future games but decided to show laziness instead! The characters in the game lost out big time and its truly what I would call a mockery, Nothing wrong with campaigns or modifiers I will admit I like the added challenge if its Batman its very rare I say this, It gets you to Think & approach the fight differently, remove gadgets, add time limit, remove detective mode, no health throughout challenge, add mines and then henchmen are more vicious & more brutal etc If your playing as Batman your essentially Training or testing yourself for NewGame+ its not any different from Free Roam we know Robin can get around, he can glide around Arkham too like we know he can. DLCs are included too boost the games (marketing) it doesn't really benefit my experience when I play through them like, My argument is just Add on characters to play when The games completed! Less complications
Generally what I do is just play through them to see how fast I can be. I will sporadically try to get the objectives just because I like the challenge of trying to play in a more restricted way. Also just to see if I can do it.
Mostly with predator I run the challenges through once to get the medals, then for replay I just do what I want each time mostly just using silent takedowns and trying not to get seen and scaring them Batman Begins style. Some of the challenges are pretty egregious though such as the one in Arkham Asylum where you need to detonate three seperate walls on three seperate guys at the same time. Took me about 9/10 years to 100% Arkham Asylum due to the difficulty of that. Same as with the Arkham City campaigns I’ve never been able to finish due to the modifiers enforced on you through it. I replay a lot more combat as thats not restrictive, just score as many points as you can and get good combos
I would keep the challenges but make them optional. You can either complete the challenge map by doing the challenges, beating the thugs as quickly as you can(not time based) or just beat them in general. More points for doing the first two though. Options.
I like predator maps as coming back to the world without starting a new game, but yeah, scoring for time would be better, I remember spending around 30 minutes once, because the goons just didn't want to come under the glass roof. But still, predator ones are better than combat for me, I can beat every enemy, but because I don't use gadgets or get combos, I get 2 medals max
I'm the opposite *I'm really bad at combat challenge maps* but I'm pretty good a t predator and I feel more badass doing it, and I feel like the challenges make me think more about how to play the story
I much prefer the predetor maps oft her spiderman challenges. In Spiderman games it is so easy to cheese the challeneges because it is mission based. Just find the right path since the enemies don't react at all and get behind them and then take them out in sucession or spam gadgets. Where as the Arkham challenge maps are so much mroe challenging which make it harder to cheese and are so rewarding to complete because of the challenge.
i feel like they couldve done it by score. there is a stopwatch and the longer it is the less points you have but the more variation you have the more points you get. it would still give the player a lot of freedom while also being a good challenge. obviously extreme maps would just be a higher score to 3 star
I find the predator ones annoying too. I don't know why they didn't try to replicate the formula of the combat challenges. For e.g. Variation, gadget, environmental, time etc.
I love Endless Knight. I don't think I have done many of the Predator maps in Knight honestly because of those reasons you stated. It's just not fun like combat missions. I also do not like the race tracks because I just don't like racing games.
Endless Knight is my absolute favourite predator map, my only issue with it is I always get to a certain point past the three stars and it crashes my game :/
I like some challenges I'm not a fan of alot of the stealth ones. But I think it would of had more potential if these goals were not mandatory. And it ended up being like what I'm saying but it's too late I'm late to the party saying this. I'd prefer this whole thing was just something in the main game. You activate it and you go in. But instead of like you said mandatory to complete you fail your bad at the end try again. You can instead be given the challenges in game and its your choice to complete them and it rewards you for various ways of completion. The batmobile mini games they made you do in Arkham knight I wish all them mini missions with it wasn't mandatory to complete the game.
Predator maps were great imo I’d like more to have unlimited enemies Plus if you could quit them without getting killed if you don’t want to play anymore
I'm not a massive fan of these AR Predator Challenges, but they force you out of your Comfort Zone and try new techniques, making you a better, more versatile player.
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I kinda agree with you on this. I feel the game shouldn’t have to tell me what to do. Endless knight is the Best challenge map because it lets you choose how to take the enemies down.
I've always wanted an option in batman arkham knight to make all the predator maps endless but nope we've never got it
Wish they had a button where u could make em all like endless knight
That would’ve been cool too
If they brought back challenge map modifiers like in arkham city an endless mode modifier for predator maps would be dope as hell!
Yeah the modifiers were underused
Alot of the challenges on predator maps are extremely luck based, or hardly work at all at times, if they made the challenge time based i feel it would have made the maps alot better
I've always thought time based would be so much better. Like, I appreciate that the challenges make you really learn the best way to use all the gadgets in the game but god damn, these challenges get really annoying.
Then you could cheese the maps and copy the exact same strategy you see online to get the best time for every character in every map. They should've just made the challenges worth completing. What if completing a maps challanges as a non Batman character would grant them a skill point for their own unique skill tree?? Catwoman could be upgraded alongside Batman to a lesser extent in arkham city so imagine if they did that for the arkham knight characters! This would def give players a real reason to give af about attempting map challenges for each playable character.
@@artispatterson5427 But the issue isn't cheesing, it's that the challenges are fucking boring lmao. A time trial would actually be fun because it doesn't control exactly how you play, it's just asking you to play well.
@@TommFoolery I already addressed the issue of the challenges being boring and unfulfilling to complete in my other comment and the maps are already timed and record your fastest record regardless if you complete the challenges or not.
@@artispatterson5427 No, you just said to reward the players for the challenges instead of making the challenges themselves intresting. There's no way to do challenges and make it fun because being told how to play ruins the fun of stealth. Best you could do is "use *insert gadget here" and leave it at that
I kinda wish the predator maps were more time based and determine your score via the variety of takedowns you perform, like certain moves earn more points than others
You very much live up to your name bro wanna team up and kill batman
That is why Endless Knight mode was so great
... But that was an actual feature in Arkham Origins.
Depending on the variety of your takedowns/moves, if you were spotted by enemies or not and if you got hit or not you would get a score ranging from D (Capable predator) C (Superior vigilante) B (Master vigilante) A (Legendary vigilante) and S (Apex predator) and each score gave you a certain amount of XP, if you sucked real hard and got a D you would get zero XP for example.
@@blue1133 That is how combat worked and not the challenge maps
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader oh, I thought we were talking about the predator scenarios in story mode sorry
I get both sides of the argument about the predator challenge maps, me personally, these challenge maps in a way enhances your playing style when playing the game, by you doing the tasks required, it then shows you a new way of taking out an enemy, and my favourite part is that you can then do the challenges in such a quick succession that even though it does sound very cliche, it makes you feel like Batman, and being able to develop your own way playing it enables you to have your own batman compared to anyone else
Knight fixed this problem a little bit with the voice synth. You could force enemies into a really specific spot, at least 2-3 times. The previous games had the sonic baterang but it had a charge time, could be destroyed, and was unreliable at placing enemies. They'd stand near it, not directly where you told them.
I always found predator maps really controlling of my play style. There wasn't any "point" to play them other than to do the challenges so you basically would just have to play them how the game said
Yea there's a lot of fun to be had if you go back after getting the challenges. But you have to fight the thought that the challenges are grading you.
@@handgun559 That makes sense just playing it without the grading I think would be fun
I only liked arkham asylum predator maps because of that one kick ass soundtrack
Just dont do the challenges or do them first. This is literally a non issue
@@alecvip7562 Whoah... Isn't it crazy that people can have preferences you don't have? What an insane concept.
3:50 I can imagine that’s what Batman did to train and test the Robins lol
I surprisingly agree with that I don't like being told how told how to play.
gotta be honest ive never payed attention to the objectives. i love the predator sections and for years of playing them ive never once bothered to complete an objective, i really just find the fun in doing something new and creative every time i play a map. it lets me immerse myself into the characters and setting more and so i think thats much more fun than completing any of the objectives. i like that they’re there, im just not interested in conforming to them.
Now I hope in the next Pattinson movie, Alfred shames Bruce for not doing a knockout smash and a double ledge takedown in a specific balcony
the extreme arkham city predator maps infuriated me so much. all the guides i watched did them so quick and i could barely follow them. i prefer the combat maps over the predator ones
Really liked how they did them in knight where you didn’t have to complete every single one in order to get 100%
I agree with you because from my perspective, when I play city or any other arkham game, I wish I could do things my way and do it the fastest I can without challenges keeping me back from what I want to
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I think a game that did the predator challenges perfectly was Splinter cell Blacklist. Your goal is to survive 10 waves of increasingly tougher enemies, you could go in there and assault them all but it was to your advantage to be the predator, to stalk the shadows and pick them off one by one.
I like them for the unique challenges but at the same time some of the challenges are insane
Agree. Some restrictions would be nice, but not to specific, like gel at the top of the ladder, where you wait for AI pathing.
it never made sense to me that in Arkham city the predator maps start with a prompt to take out all enemies as fast as possible but then time doesn’t matter
Oh my god yes I just did them on City I never did that for all the years I've been playing the Arkham games, they are ridiculous in every way
The Predator segments in the main campaign are the highlights of the game to me.
I feel like when done right, the maps make me try things I never would otherwise and are fun because of the objective still having multiple way to tackle them. But like you said, it often leads to just feeling like you're on a leash.
I have a love-hate relationship with the predator maps.
On one hand, it is the part of the game. I constantly replay because I love predator sections in the Arkham games. The other hand I do wish you had more freedom to do whatever you want without the game pretty much telling you “man you suck” at the end. Certain characters I just don’t play as in the predator maps because I know for a fact they objectives which just make the level un-fun.
I wish there was a way to turn off the achievements and just have it be a time based mission. Or better yet just get rid of any objective besides clearing the room without being killed.
This is why endless night is probably my favorite map in the series. The game just tells you to take out as many enemies as possible, and even when you inevitably die, it doesn’t feel like you failed, but instead it’s a challenge to do better next time
So the missions that are a bit more relaxed when it comes to objectives are definitely my preferred levels. But with this being said, I also don’t mind the objectives since that allows me to figure out how to optimize the missions to either get them out of the way quickly, or to work them in in between more unique takedowns and get the best time I can in the process
When I do the challenges I usually just ignore them, unless I really want to get those medals.
I have the same issue with objectives too. They're too limiting and basically dictate the play style. I find myself having to choose between having fun or completing the objectives. I shouldn't have that problem.
I find them requiring too many gadgets or tactics that I just don’t find enjoyable.
Tbh I really like your opinion on "batman just being batman" and I couldn't agree more
Although I agree with it's usually best to just watch a guide I think the idea is testing your skill and knowledge of the games aspects. Like the combat challenging you to get the best score possible has to involve variation with that even if not explicitly told so. Because especially with knight challenges, which I've done all of they're very subjective and obnoxious when trying to do what I did with them, doing all possible challenges with every character it's very restricted when it comes to some parts and sometimes near impossible without a guide like with harley especially for them.
Before I started to do all the challenge maps in these games, I thought the predator challenges would be like: Take out all enemies, never get caught, do it in x amount of time
But after realizing that all the challenges are just do x move, I didn't initially mind, but doing some of the challenges in City made me pull me hair out because some of these challenges require to take a certain enemy out and a specific position because else the enemy would never be lined up again for that challenge.
I’m glad someone talked about this. I love predator maps but I also hate them sometimes because of how stupid the AI can be as well as the challenges. I think it’d be a lot more fun if it was high score based, like a silent takedown is 25 points and special takedowns are 50, fear take downs are 75, etc,
I think the objectives are fine in this case because you can have your options within the story and choose how to take rooms out in the game, and these are specifically just seperate challenges. The difference between this and Assassin's Creed is the fact that the optional objectives in AC are story related instead of separate challenges
Here’s what’s both great and half-baked about Arkham Predator:
Batman’s stated goal is to make criminals afraid. Fear is turned into an adaptive difficulty in these games… sort of. The more people in a room Batman takes out silently (in other words, the more efficiently you beat the encounter), the quicker and more afraid the criminals will get. You as the player are aligned with Batman because you both want to do well and make enemies afraid
The catch is that the more afraid enemies become, the more quickly and sporadically they move, and the more often they look behind them. This all makes it slightly more difficult to sneak up to them and take them down. If you go into an encounter guns-a blazing, the fight will take longer to advance, which means it will take longer for criminals to reach the sporadic, “terrified” state. You get punished with longer times for less efficient play, but you get challenged with more sporadic and varied enemy behavior earlier if you take them out quickly
The better you do, the game gets slightly harder
This effect is neutered by the fact that in the games after Asylum, you’re given so many gadgets that the last 1-2 guys being in “Terrified” state aren’t much of a threat because you can disable or disarm their gun, or do any other number of things. This could’ve been balanced better, at least on higher difficulties - perhaps putting more enemy types that force you to use your disruptor and smoke early on and allowing more enemies to reach the “Terrified” state at the same time, but the system is still great on a conceptual level
I just wish they pushed this mechanic to a further extreme. I always trash Origins for not doing new stuff, but imagine it implemented something like the nemesis system in the Mordor series where the better you get at quickly and stealthily taking out enemies in predator encounters, the more quickly enemies become spooked in general and it gets more difficult to maintain the same level of play. A year 2 game would suit itself perfectly to this because your actions as the player would directly affect Batman’s early development as a legend, which affects how the game plays out. They could’ve had enemies that were more easily alerted to you, they could’ve had pre-activated mines/traps for players that did well where some players wouldn’t have that, and they could’ve thrown more enemies of different variations in while players on the lower end would see less enemies and more standard enemies. This system would’ve simultaneously prevented the criticism that the game didn’t do anything to innovate and also gave the game it’s own unique place in the Arkham series - both things it desperately lacked and needed. It also would’ve mechanically justified the game’s existence as a prequel instead of just being Arkham City but set earlier in his career
Great mechanic, perfect for Batman - wish more people noticed it’s depth and potential!
I hate the predator maps so much. some of the objectives are extremely annoying as well, and I find myself restarting A LOT just because one enemy moved a little too quickly or a little too slowly because of RNG, and having to go through all of them again to get to that point, and HOPEFULLY get it right this time.
I can understand where you’re coming from and I, too, get that feeling, sometimes. But thankfully, we don’t always have to follow the tactics in those challenges and that gives us the freedom of creativity.
i kinda agree but a bit different
To me Predator rooms only are great when played on new game+ since the thugs react quicker and 2 shot you quicker
Imagine Hitman with Batman, that would be amazing and that's basically what predator maps should be.
I think the maps are usually great but some of the challenges are dumb. I typically just play it without getting any stars since I am great at stealth and ok at combat
That don't break any glass while playing with nightwing is stupid as shit.
if your great at stealth then you should be able to get stars
I can do it it is just some are tedious and and annoying to do since they need to be in the right place at the right time and it only happens once in a play through. I would rather go and have fun doing it my own way. This is why I love Endless Knight since I can do whatever I want and my high score has been around 60 to 70 and only stopped there because I had to go so I died on purpose
Predator is my favorite form of gameplay in the series but I gotta agree with you on this one, they should be time based.
Yeah, a lot of times you need to move an enemy to a certain place for a takedown, but the ai gets smarter depending on how many you've taken out already, so they deliberately avoid the area you need them in and stop responding to lures.
I agree 100% with you. I’ve played through each game a ton of times (I can’t even remember how many) and I’ve only ever done a couple predator maps throughout the series for each game roughly. I’ve done a lot more challenge maps. when I fail at doing the obj. they want I just don’t care to keep trying bc Ik I’m not bad at the game and I don’t feel like looking up a guide. now I’ve been able to figure some out on my own before, but mostly I haven’t and I’m not big on them either
I rarely did the challenge maps in any of the Arkham games, but I did go out of my way to beat NG+ and find all the Riddler stuff
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I definitely agree its great having options in taking down the enemies
I don't know how to address the randomness so I'll skip it but storywise as far as I know the challenge maps themselves are simulations using the Batcomputer. And the objectives seem to be self-imposed restrictions by the characters where in some cases they don't have freedom to choose.
Honestly I thought I was the only one that didn't like the predator maps I thought the predator maps were aggravating only because of the time limit in the restrictions and what I have to do in order to clear the room instead of just letting me clear the room
I also hate that when you can't knock enemies down.
The reason I dont like endless night is because I dislike that location.
I like them tbh. They are like cool unique puzzles to me. It adds lots of difficulty too especially in the campaign challenge maps.
I agree in the sense that I don’t like having to play a specific way, especially because I live by the philosophy of “shit happens”. If I take someone out that was supposed to be taken out last, oh well. In my eyes, I’m Batman, I stopped the bad guys, I still saved the day.
I will say, I like how in Knight we get the voice synthesizer to direct henchmen to a certain spot. It’s sooo helpful especially in challenges with very specific criteria. Terminal Velocity is the bane of my existence 🥲 I hate how specific it is and how much time I waste doing set up to get enemies to act a certain way.
Predator isn’t really my forte anyway, but I definitely agree that I would’ve liked something more time based or would score you based on the types of takedowns you do.
The pathing is definitely the worst part of the predator maps. Sometimes they just don't react how you expect them to and they completely ruin your strat. I have some pretty decent times on a couple of the predator maps throughout the series but a lot of them have challenges that can be extremely tedious especially which makes it hard to do quickly.
i personally feel the challenges make the maps more interesting, in the main game nothing holds you to just do silent takedowns and complete the section in 5 minutes, but the challenges forces you to use critical thinking about ur gadgets and the thugs patterns, you have to study their movements and how they react to it, that's the truest batman experience, the "prep time", and as you see there are people who complete it in 40-50 seconds and the masters who complete it in 20-5 seconds, so i don't think is holding you back or making you slower, in my case it forced me to think and play better rather than just use smoke granades all the time with multi fear takedowns, because after 50 "kills" in endless knight thats all you can do to keep rising the numbers, i still love that map dont get me wrong but you can't talk about "i want to be batman" when you want the gameplay to be mindless takedowns
Last year TH-cam really pushed out a lot of Arkham Knight challenge maps through its algorithm and usually the most fun and creative ones were the ones that didn't follow the objectives at all.
Speaking as someone who got really dedicated to the predator challenges (ranked top 100 on the endless knight leaderboard):
I think it would have just been way better if you could have chosen between time trials, time and challenges, and endless knight on all maps.
Challenges often really stifle gameplay. I found some maps (like robins one in a half-built skyscraper) really fun because you have to plan it like a puzzle, but others were **very** stale because their ideas of a challenge just get tedious, often the case for the maps alternate characters, and like the video mentions a lot of it requires set-up for RNG or spamming stuff like the freeze grenade and bat-claw to to position them, which ruins your time.
If you had the option of challenges and time based ranking, time based rankings, and endless knight ranking, I’d reliably find the 2 that weren’t included a lot of fun, and find 1 of them occasionally worth the hassle.
EDIT: Also, before it was patched Arkham knights predator matches only started timing you when you were seen, not when you were known (took out the first enemy, had a gadget noticed, etc) so all leaderboards are incredibly slow with glitched runs that can’t be replicated, and it means endless knight is the only map you could get a high ranking on today.
Combat maps I get a lot more out of, whereas with predator maps I end up shooting my self in the foot most times cuz of a misstep or 2
I love challenge maps, but yeah the predator challenges can really suck. If I had to make a fix I’d say that the challenges should be split up accordingly:
1. Gadget takedown challenges
2. Time based challenges (maybe take out the Detective Mode Jammer within x amount of time)
3. Specialty challenges
I like 'em. It's like a puzzle. How am I gonna get all these stars in one run? How do I position myself and the thugs? Where should I place my traps? How do I do all this is a set time limit? Stuff like that. That's why I really like Arkham Asylum's Silent Knight Extreme Map as it wants you to take out three thugs with three different walls with explosive gel at the same time, so I spent time trying to figure it out, really squeeze the level layout and seeing what works, and eventually know enough where I can do it all as well as the other stars all in one run and when you finally do that it's satisfying af. You learnt and examined the level to it's core and now you can get all three stars in one swoop like the World's Greatest Detective would. It's really satisfying. Sure, some are kinda shit like Top of the World Extreme but what can ya do? I also really liked Arkham Knight's Uncontainable and High Flyers maps as due to their stars, I had to keep a mental note and plan ahead on what to do in order to get the stars. Pretty neat.
Also, if I wanted to do whatever I wanted I could always just ignore the star challenges, which I also very frequently do.
There should have been Chris Hansen challenge maps since there are Predator Challenge maps
Save the cupcakes from the thugs in the fastest time possible
Platinumed the Return to Arkham - Arkham Asylum last week. I saved the Predator Challengesto last because I knew the best way was to just watch a TH-cam video of how to do the room and copy it
I love endless knight I agree with you on this I wish there was more like that
I feel like predator’s medals should reward you for your planning, strategy, efficiency and creativity. You’ll get higher points if you take down your enemies quickly or use different methods each time.
Predator maps should reward you based on time, times spotted and variety similar to combat maps
Going to be honest. Might sound stupid but I think there should maybe be like a sandbox mode where you choose whatever map and whatever character you’ve discovered like scarecrow, death stroke etc… you can play as in it but the game chooses the Militia and stuff. Like maybe a practice mode is what I’m trying to say
Imagine if there was a predator section with 100 enemies lol
I dig the pred maps. Its like having the story broken up into bite size chunks and endlessly revisit-able without starting an entire new game.
You are only ‘forced’ to play a certain way once, for the challenges. And you dont ‘fail’ if you dont do them.
They give you multiple ’rooms’ filled with bad guys to jump into whenever and as often as you like.
All the challenges can be worked out with some time and observation.
Learning the proper order of things is half the point imo. Watching guides takes away half the challenge. Im not surprised people get bored of them if they are only doing half the ‘work’ andnot learning the map for themselves.
Each to their own i guess, but imo, the more maps the better. Give us a map representing every encounter in the story.
I wouldn't know I just always did story mode. But I guess I may have to branch out.
I think for me personally, i really struggle to rack up the points on combat challenges - theyre the only reason i havent 100%'ed all the games. Predator Challenges are nice and easy - and if you struggle you can follow along someone elses strategy. Combat challenges are unpredictable, so you can't really follow someone elses attempt
They should have a point system like the combat for variation in takedowns
Endless Knight is definitely my favorite challenge map, especially when I'm playing as Batman or Robin.
Will you be making a video talking about your thoughts on the possible Batman Arkham Origins remaster leak?
I enjoyed them in Asylum, City and Origins. But they became way too big, complicated and tedious in Arkham Knight. I 100% the first 3 games, didn't play them much in Knight
I'd agree on City if they hadn't made Riddler campaigns a thing. Playing through City with its cramped rooms and limited-use gadgets was way more of a headache than Knight.
I knock em out just for the platinum. Few rare ones I'll replay. I used to spend entire days trying to beat my combat map challenge high score.
I think from city up they should've been time based like you have to clear the room in some amount of mins
I fully agree with you. I understand why they made it the way they did but it kills my want to do them when the challenges are so specific. There’s a reason I have 3 stars on a lot of the combat but not the predator
On your last video saying what you would want on an Arkham Origins sequel, I gave my list of Arkham games from favorite to least favorite, not including knight. Well, playstation is now giving you free games for ps+, one being Knight. I have completely over 50% of the game and honestly, it's tied with first place for City. It would be first, but the batmobile/tank sections every other mission is annoying
I just wish they made more Predator Maps that are more flexible for Harley Quinn. They seem like they’re tailored more towards Batman, Catwoman, Nightwing, Robin and Red Hood. It’s especially difficult with her Loud Takedowns when it comes to alerting enemies and then immediately finding you. It’s upsetting when they’re not many areas to escape from enemies with Harley Quinn.😂😂
I dont mind asylum city and origin predator challenges but knight is too much of a pain and luck based
Tbh Jay, I feel challenge maps in Arkham are really there to frustrate people Medals and Riddler lmao, unless its batman but as another playable character I've had to restart many challenges I saw two people standing next to each other for a ledge takedown nothing appeared and not just that either because I've had opportunities to take down certain enemies or more or how ever many there are or even how the objectives told me too its complicated! but Its just not for me, I want emersion, storytelling I wanna appreciate the map and just free roam the beautiful Gotham city like Rocksteady said we would! There are things they knew they could have made up for in future games but decided to show laziness instead! The characters in the game lost out big time and its truly what I would call a mockery, Nothing wrong with campaigns or modifiers I will admit I like the added challenge if its Batman its very rare I say this, It gets you to Think & approach the fight differently, remove gadgets, add time limit, remove detective mode, no health throughout challenge, add mines and then henchmen are more vicious & more brutal etc If your playing as Batman your essentially Training or testing yourself for NewGame+ its not any different from Free Roam we know Robin can get around, he can glide around Arkham too like we know he can. DLCs are included too boost the games (marketing) it doesn't really benefit my experience when I play through them like, My argument is just Add on characters to play when The games completed! Less complications
I agree Batman is not followed around by Alfred told you didn't do this the right way.
endless knight is without a doubt the best predator map in the franchise like there's no competition
I like these challenges but I prefer to go into the fight without a care in the world
Generally what I do is just play through them to see how fast I can be. I will sporadically try to get the objectives just because I like the challenge of trying to play in a more restricted way. Also just to see if I can do it.
I like the arkham city maps
Mostly with predator I run the challenges through once to get the medals, then for replay I just do what I want each time mostly just using silent takedowns and trying not to get seen and scaring them Batman Begins style. Some of the challenges are pretty egregious though such as the one in Arkham Asylum where you need to detonate three seperate walls on three seperate guys at the same time. Took me about 9/10 years to 100% Arkham Asylum due to the difficulty of that. Same as with the Arkham City campaigns I’ve never been able to finish due to the modifiers enforced on you through it. I replay a lot more combat as thats not restrictive, just score as many points as you can and get good combos
I like predator challenges but I wish they would based all 3 titles about how much health we had and how many times the enemy spotted us.
I would keep the challenges but make them optional. You can either complete the challenge map by doing the challenges, beating the thugs as quickly as you can(not time based) or just beat them in general. More points for doing the first two though. Options.
I like predator maps as coming back to the world without starting a new game, but yeah, scoring for time would be better, I remember spending around 30 minutes once, because the goons just didn't want to come under the glass roof.
But still, predator ones are better than combat for me, I can beat every enemy, but because I don't use gadgets or get combos, I get 2 medals max
What!? The predators were fun and challenging, you don't just mash buttons you have to make your move wisely.
I think a lot of people play the entire game like this though.
I'm the opposite *I'm really bad at combat challenge maps* but I'm pretty good a t predator and I feel more badass doing it, and I feel like the challenges make me think more about how to play the story
I much prefer the predetor maps oft her spiderman challenges. In Spiderman games it is so easy to cheese the challeneges because it is mission based. Just find the right path since the enemies don't react at all and get behind them and then take them out in sucession or spam gadgets. Where as the Arkham challenge maps are so much mroe challenging which make it harder to cheese and are so rewarding to complete because of the challenge.
I think challenge maps are fun since I mostly just used them to get some quick Arkham gameplay and not focusing on the challenges.
i feel like they couldve done it by score. there is a stopwatch and the longer it is the less points you have but the more variation you have the more points you get. it would still give the player a lot of freedom while also being a good challenge. obviously extreme maps would just be a higher score to 3 star
I find the predator ones annoying too. I don't know why they didn't try to replicate the formula of the combat challenges. For e.g. Variation, gadget, environmental, time etc.
I love Endless Knight. I don't think I have done many of the Predator maps in Knight honestly because of those reasons you stated. It's just not fun like combat missions. I also do not like the race tracks because I just don't like racing games.
Endless Knight is my absolute favourite predator map, my only issue with it is I always get to a certain point past the three stars and it crashes my game :/
I like some challenges I'm not a fan of alot of the stealth ones. But I think it would of had more potential if these goals were not mandatory. And it ended up being like what I'm saying but it's too late I'm late to the party saying this. I'd prefer this whole thing was just something in the main game. You activate it and you go in. But instead of like you said mandatory to complete you fail your bad at the end try again. You can instead be given the challenges in game and its your choice to complete them and it rewards you for various ways of completion. The batmobile mini games they made you do in Arkham knight I wish all them mini missions with it wasn't mandatory to complete the game.
I have a love hate relationship with the predator maps
I always loved the Predator maps until I played Knight
Predator maps were great imo
I’d like more to have unlimited enemies
Plus if you could quit them without getting killed if you don’t want to play anymore
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I love the predator maps but it's luck based
I rather the ones where it's a timer to a specific instructed play style
I'm not a massive fan of these AR Predator Challenges, but they force you out of your Comfort Zone and try new techniques, making you a better, more versatile player.