Just completed the TR690 valve body replacement on a 2011 Outback with 167k miles. Took 8.6 qts to refill. Used BAFX OBDII WiFi Reader 27$ and Active OBD Scanner (Free) to monitor CVT Temp. Going to a friend with SnapOn Scanner to get TCM MEM and MEM2 Cleared. Will drive to have relearn completed. Also cleaned Throttle Body did Idle Relearn, Changed Front/Rear Differential Fluids since it was up on Jack Stands. This is our oldest of 4 Subarus. Awesome videos. Thanks for making them and being so detailed.
I built one of those filler pumps out of a Home Depot pesticide/herbicide pump. Saved enough $$ making it instead of buying off the tool truck, I was able to buy EVERY transmission fill adapter for all makes and models.
I had this done on my 2013 Impreza by a local Subaru specialty shop. They mentioned the special temperature needed so I trust that they did it properly. The car has been fine and even maybe a bit smoother afterwards, but that could just be my perception. The dealer recommended never changing the fluid and had no idea about certain temps needed.
When I've had to do something similar on a VW transmission, I bought a fill plug, drilled a hole through the old one, and JB-Weld'ed a hose nipple on it. Then I attached a regular funnel with a hose to the nipple and filled it top-side. If you do enough of these (or if Subaru uses the same fill plugs on everything), this would probably be a lot easier long-term. Pumping sucks :P
@@JohnnyFTD those “sealed for life” transmissions aren’t actually sealed, they all have breather tubes/caps to release any pressure inside the transmission.
@@JohnnyFTD yeah what 300DBenz said. You don’t need to fill under pressure nor do you need to care about your DIY fitting getting pressurized. You can just leave it installed, fill it until your tube backs up, run the fill procedure, check your tube to see if it’s still backed up, and pull the plug out to check the final level. Also it behooves you to not tighten your fitting beyond finger tight because it’ll hold no problem and it’ll be a lot of stress on your JB Weld to crack it loose or tighten it.
Good video. Checking the level is done with the engine running, I assume/hope . Otherwise the oil seems drains back out again and I'd get the wrong level with the engine off.
Couldn't tell from the video. After getting fluid up to temp and running through gears, do you leave engine running when adding fluid? Does it even matter?
Does the TR690 have to only use the HT fluid to work fine? is it possible to replace it with another good CVT fluid? ( I live in Chile and so far can not find the HT one.
MrSubaru, I've been searching your videos to see if you have anything like this...can you help? 08 legacy. Ran great until 3 days after we got it home. Replaced spark plugs and engine valve cover and cleaned mass air flow. Ran fine then until I unhooked the battery to fix the air bag issue. Now did the idle re-learn thinking that would fix the newly found rough idle after hooking battery back up. Did Idle re-learn twice. Now it runs fine ONLY if AC Is on. mid drive if you turn AC off it all of a sudden putters again when you come to a complete stop in drive or reverse. Oh someone please help.
You said that always use original Subaru CVT fluid. But is it OK to use AISIN CVT fluid instead? It's much easier for me to buy AISIN, but don't want any trouble with the CVT because of using improper oil.
Just got an Outback wilderness! I plan to do a drain and fill like this around every 3 year 36k mile as indicated in Japan manual. If doing it this way, can I get away with omitting the re-learn procedure? On my sequoia, labeled as a lifetime fluid, we would drain and measure how much came out. Then replace with that amount. Then get to temp and use the check plug to make sure. This doesn't have a check plug, but a similar method can be used? Just found it odd on the TR580 vid that it poured out the fill plug when cold. I guess optimal temp and cycling through gears a few times is crucial to level check.
Recently had a problem with my hose to the cooler degrading. Was wondering if I can check/change the filter without doing a complete drain and refill? I was under the impression that there is a filter inside the cooler.
A friend of mine got a WRX with cvt, he told me he has the tr690 CVT transmission and uses the Subaru high torque CVT fluid which is orange in color. Is there any noticeable difference in both fluids?
2013 Subaru Impreza with 219k miles, CVT replaced by SoA at 103,000, similar issue with stalling at low speeds. No CEL codes thrown but Hill assist, AT Temp and VDC. I had the brake lamp switch already replaced as a recall. Is it most likely the valve body solenoid? I haven't changed the CVT fluid since the transmission replacement. Would SoA recommend a full transmission replacement if it was only the valve body and torque converter?
I have a 2015 Forester XT with 104.000 KM, Should I change CVT fluid ??? Whats is the recommended KM for exchange the fluid and filter CVT transmission ???
hi, i need to replace a valve body on my subaru forester 2010 tr690 transmission. which of there tools can do a RELEARN on the automatic transmission? thank you
Hello Mr. Subaru, My Japanese made 2016 3.6R Legacy needs a new valve body after reaching 160k miles, parts are on the way but I need the software to do the relearning. Is there a way to put my hands on it without purchasing a subscription? Thank you!
TR580 CVT question. My local transmission repair shop changed the valve body on my 2014 Outback but did not do the relearn procedure. They said they've changed about 20 of these Subaru valve bodies without doing anything but driving them afterwards to do the relearning process. So ever since the valve body was replaced the cvt, after getting warmed up will give the feeling of slipping from a dead stop. There's not any screeching sounds or such. It almost feels like it's in natural and being put into drive after the gas pedal is pressed. What's been your experience with not re-learning these cvt after valve body replacement?
@@MrSubaru1387 I'm referring to the oil pump cover to the cvt joint that is sealed with Threebond 1215g or ultra gray etc which the TC oil seal is pressed into, Is that what your referring too?
@@MrSubaru1387 yeah my Xt is leaking from there. There's a TSB about it, it covers pretty much everything from MY 2010 on, both the 690 and 580, TSB 16-103-16R. I think that is the last revised one afaik.
Is the Cvt buck common on the TR690 in “lower gears”when slowing down? Got the 22wrx Cvt & does that from time to time when slowing down from around 45mph
@@chrislebeast I apologize, I wasn’t able to make my appointment. I’ve not yet rescheduled it. Truth be told it’s been over 100F each day recently and I have very little motivation to go outside lol
hi, i need help with my 1998 legacy twin turbo :( coolant is overflowing thru the expansion reservoir after 20 to 30 mins running at idle... the heater is nor working, temp gauge stays in the middle or just below, fans goes on and off as expected, thermostar is brand new, no mix in the oil, no smoke out thru the exhaust. im confused with the symptoms. idk what should i check next. :(
@@cabuco2006 there is absolutely no such thing as a "Lifetime fluid" period. That only means it's good for the lifetime of the transmission which is how long? Not long at all with a cvt😂 they are absolutely garbage transmissions no it's ands or buts about it. Idiots
Could a Subaru owner get away with just periodically removing X (say 2) quarts of CVT fluid and adding back that exact amount? As a way of keeping it slightly refreshed? Or do you think it's best to stick with the "full dump and replace" approach every 60k or so?
I watched a video that mentioned adaptive learning transmission. Are the Subaru CVT included in that? Is it a good idea to have previous owners driving methods cleared on a used car; so it starts a fresh set with a different driving style?
@@MrSubaru1387 No. Actually, from the day we bought it; it wants to launch from stand still and seems to get aggravated at our slow take offs. I have to feather the throttle to not snap my neck.
I had the CVT fluid changed a couple months ago on my 2017 outback with around 54k miles. The transmission did not go through the re-learn process after the fluid change, should I still have that done?
Did you have to do the reprogramming at the end of the job because you replaced the valve body, or would you have had to do that even if you were just draining and filling the CVT fluid? My dealer wants to charge $620 for CVT Fluid Exchange and Reprogramming. Does that sound right?
Hi MrSubaru1387, after watching this video, I decide to let the dealer to do a flush, I have a 2014 Forester XT with 90000 miles and the TR690, so I brought it to the dealer to do a transmission flush few days ago, picked up the car, on the invoice, they only use 8 quarts of high torque fluid, I thought the full capacity is 13.5 quarts, is that something I should worry about? What is your opinion on this matter? Thank you
@@MrSubaru1387Thought so, I do wonder why North Americans have such an aversion to fluid changes on transmissions, differentials and especially brake fluid as the potential costly repair odds not doing so is extremely expensive elsewhere. Guess NA leads the world wide throw away society.
@@ausmartin1 Our culture sucks since the majority of vehicles are just leased off the lot or financed and then traded in for the new one keeping them in debt. Newer cars are advertised with "lifetime fluids" and that lifetime is probably for how long the vehicle is under warranty or is expected to be traded in. There are a few of us left who buy our vehicles without going into debt and who do our own fluid changes.
I use a garden sprayer to do the fill. Remove the spray tip, fill with 5 or 6 qts of fluid, pump up the pressure, and use the wand and trigger to fill. Worked really well and very inexpensive. Next level improvement would be to install an air fitting and use a regulator and compressor to hold the pressure while filling.
I have a problem with my 2013 legacy after i cleared the engine code my at tem light flashes but no codes on trans and engine and i noticed it has AT learn not complete, how can i do the relearn because with my snap on i dont have that option or do i need to take it to the dealer to do that
You need ssm which is a dealer level obd2 diagnostic and adjustment. There was openssm for a while and you could try that but from what I can tell, it's no longer supported
There are tools in the $1000 range from Autel and Launch that can do most of the bi-directional advanced functions that SSM can. Something like the Autel MS906 or one of the Launch X431 models. Do your research first. Most include a year of free software updates, but after that the updates are pretty pricey.
How do I confirm transmission learning was good after valve body replacement? What should I look/hear for during test drive? My mechanic followed your procedure step by step. But he says the gear ratios are wrong and that there is a learning issue with the transmision. He feels slow acceleration specially at low gears and that the transmission takes to much time to "shift" but I feel evelethig is right... there is no check engine light, I don't hear notices jumps or other weird behavior. Acceleration feels normal to me... But I just want to make sure. My car is a 2014 Forester XT. It's a 200k mile car I bought second hand. Thanks
I have switched my Subaru over to everything amsoil. It doesn't use anywhere near as much oil as it did with Subaru or Mobil 1. I'd make the switch if I were you and not look back. Subaru doesn't own an oil refinery. They switch brands all the time. You just don't know it.
I really need a better code reader I currently have my handy dandy harbor freight cen tech model 98614, I connected to my 2013 Subaru the PCM must hate me because it always says Bad communication error and I have to unplug it and plug it back in lol... be honest I’m sort of afraid I’m gonna blow up the computer using this cheap ass scanner...LMAO
What am I missing I thought that transmission needed the Subaru HT CVT only sold in 5 gallon drums .? I just drained and filled x 3 after I did a 6,qt drain and fill bc I got the service manual and it said cvt 2 a no go need orange one ? and refilled and re
@@MrSubaru1387 that's helpful thanks..have been trying to figure out which oil of need for my 2.5 2010 tr690. So it's good to know it's the CVT II fluid.. The UK dealer's won't service them here and will only sell the.fluid in a 20ltr drum.
@@tomhancock4519 Here's a handy chart of ATF/CVT fluids for all models from 2000-2020... www.subaruoutback.org/threads/2011-forester-cvt-transmission.524682/#lg=attachment492406&slide=0
@MrSubaru1387 could a botched CVT learn cause issues with the forward and transfer clutches? I'm fairly sure my car has forward clutch slip. Here is a video of what my car does; th-cam.com/video/l5HPjSue4yM/w-d-xo.html The CVT in my car only has ~6,000 miles on it. The previous CVT only lasted 1,200 miles. The previous one I believe had issues with the transfer clutch (whine around corners) and the forward clutch. My theories are; 1. Bad reman unit from Subaru 2. Wrong fluid added by the dealer 3. Botched (or skipped) CVT learn. If it is this one, My guess is they left the wheels and tires off the front which skewed the results due to the decreased mass.
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Just completed the TR690 valve body replacement on a 2011 Outback with 167k miles. Took 8.6 qts to refill. Used BAFX OBDII WiFi Reader 27$ and Active OBD Scanner (Free) to monitor CVT Temp. Going to a friend with SnapOn Scanner to get TCM MEM and MEM2 Cleared. Will drive to have relearn completed. Also cleaned Throttle Body did Idle Relearn, Changed Front/Rear Differential Fluids since it was up on Jack Stands. This is our oldest of 4 Subarus. Awesome videos. Thanks for making them and being so detailed.
I forgot to mention that The WiFi Reader and App are Required for iOS. Bluetooth Reader works with the Android App only.
I sure hate TH-cam ,didn’t give me any notification of your video it’s a good thing Robert that you post something up of your new videos!
I built one of those filler pumps out of a Home Depot pesticide/herbicide pump. Saved enough $$ making it instead of buying off the tool truck, I was able to buy EVERY transmission fill adapter for all makes and models.
I had this done on my 2013 Impreza by a local Subaru specialty shop. They mentioned the special temperature needed so I trust that they did it properly. The car has been fine and even maybe a bit smoother afterwards, but that could just be my perception. The dealer recommended never changing the fluid and had no idea about certain temps needed.
I could not believe just how easy it was to change the valve body on the Subaru CVT.
I'm finally getting this done! Can't believe it!!! You are awesome! Thank you sooo much! ❤
When I've had to do something similar on a VW transmission, I bought a fill plug, drilled a hole through the old one, and JB-Weld'ed a hose nipple on it. Then I attached a regular funnel with a hose to the nipple and filled it top-side. If you do enough of these (or if Subaru uses the same fill plugs on everything), this would probably be a lot easier long-term. Pumping sucks :P
There are videos here on YTube on how to make a pressure filler, inexpensively. I made my own (I should make another, everyone keeps borrowing it).
Do you recommend a second hole drilled for transmissions without a dip stick? Just wondering where the displaced air will go, or if it's needed.
@@JohnnyFTD those “sealed for life” transmissions aren’t actually sealed, they all have breather tubes/caps to release any pressure inside the transmission.
@@JohnnyFTD yeah what 300DBenz said. You don’t need to fill under pressure nor do you need to care about your DIY fitting getting pressurized. You can just leave it installed, fill it until your tube backs up, run the fill procedure, check your tube to see if it’s still backed up, and pull the plug out to check the final level. Also it behooves you to not tighten your fitting beyond finger tight because it’ll hold no problem and it’ll be a lot of stress on your JB Weld to crack it loose or tighten it.
The transmission has a vent already.
Good video. Checking the level is done with the engine running, I assume/hope .
Otherwise the oil seems drains back out again and I'd get the wrong level with the engine off.
Can you explain the purpose of the trans learning? Is this necessary due to expanding (lengthening) of the chain? Thanks.
You're down-in-the-gravely voice is great! Use it more often :-)
Couldn't tell from the video. After getting fluid up to temp and running through gears, do you leave engine running when adding fluid? Does it even matter?
Can you do a video of the transfer clutch replacement on the TR690?
Great video!! I should have known you already had a video on this.
Where did you purchase your Subaru Select diag. tool?
Online
Can I do the relearn without Subaru Select Monitor? Can I just copy the procedure that you did in the video?
Does the TR690 have to only use the HT fluid to work fine? is it possible to replace it with another good CVT fluid? ( I live in Chile and so far can not find the HT one.
MrSubaru, I've been searching your videos to see if you have anything like this...can you help?
08 legacy. Ran great until 3 days after we got it home. Replaced spark plugs and engine valve cover and cleaned mass air flow. Ran fine then until I unhooked the battery to fix the air bag issue. Now did the idle re-learn thinking that would fix the newly found rough idle after hooking battery back up. Did Idle re-learn twice. Now it runs fine ONLY if AC Is on. mid drive if you turn AC off it all of a sudden putters again when you come to a complete stop in drive or reverse. Oh someone please help.
You said that always use original Subaru CVT fluid. But is it OK to use AISIN CVT fluid instead? It's much easier for me to buy AISIN, but don't want any trouble with the CVT because of using improper oil.
Great video as always, we have a friend in common Courtney Blackwell.
Actually for the mileage that your brother has on his car the underneath looks pretty clean almost like a California car I’d say!
Just got an Outback wilderness! I plan to do a drain and fill like this around every 3 year 36k mile as indicated in Japan manual.
If doing it this way, can I get away with omitting the re-learn procedure?
On my sequoia, labeled as a lifetime fluid, we would drain and measure how much came out. Then replace with that amount. Then get to temp and use the check plug to make sure. This doesn't have a check plug, but a similar method can be used? Just found it odd on the TR580 vid that it poured out the fill plug when cold. I guess optimal temp and cycling through gears a few times is crucial to level check.
So how long did it actually take you from start to finish, to replace the valve body?
Recently had a problem with my hose to the cooler degrading. Was wondering if I can check/change the filter without doing a complete drain and refill? I was under the impression that there is a filter inside the cooler.
Would hate doing these without my lift
A friend of mine got a WRX with cvt, he told me he has the tr690 CVT transmission and uses the Subaru high torque CVT fluid which is orange in color.
Is there any noticeable difference in both fluids?
Can you please tell me how you figured out that the Mightyvac MV7201 was able to pump CVT fluid into the transmission? Thanks Pat.
does the relearning process have to be done every time the cvt oil is changed?
2013 Subaru Impreza with 219k miles, CVT replaced by SoA at 103,000, similar issue with stalling at low speeds. No CEL codes thrown but Hill assist, AT Temp and VDC. I had the brake lamp switch already replaced as a recall. Is it most likely the valve body solenoid? I haven't changed the CVT fluid since the transmission replacement. Would SoA recommend a full transmission replacement if it was only the valve body and torque converter?
What is the diagnostic tool used in the video?
Many thanks one more time!! Wich software do you use on your pc to communicate with the car? Regards
It's a Subaru Select Monitor III factory scan tool.
Awesome video do I need to do a learning process on a 2016 Subaru Outback or a 2014 Subaru Impreza?
Only when replacing the valve body or transmission. Not needed for a fluid replacement.
Mr. Subaru what will happen if you replace lock up solenoid without doing relearn?
Are you using a Subaru provided device for Select Monitor 3?
I have a 2015 Forester XT with 104.000 KM, Should I change CVT fluid ??? Whats is the recommended KM for exchange the fluid and filter CVT transmission ???
Damn! CVT service is like a game of Twister....think I'll pass on a CVT for DIY.
hi, i need to replace a valve body on my subaru forester 2010 tr690 transmission. which of there tools can do a RELEARN on the automatic transmission? thank you
Hello Mr. Subaru,
My Japanese made 2016 3.6R Legacy needs a new valve body after reaching 160k miles, parts are on the way but I need the software to do the relearning. Is there a way to put my hands on it without purchasing a subscription?
Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank You!
What software or tools are you using to do the relearn
Anyone have the torque spec for the drain bolt and fill/check bolt? I’m getting conflicting info for the TR690 on a 2010 Outback.
I did a solenoid replacement cause it had a p2763 code do I need to do the relearn process. It's now giving me a p2762 code thanks for any help
Did you figure it out? I had the same thing, it turns out the solenoid was bad. Resistance was 154Ohms instead of spec around 12-14ohms
So that's the result of not changing de transmission fluid after 30k miles? Valve body and torque converter fail after almost 200k miles?
That's factory fill, 200k mile fluid. Never opened or serviced.
TR580 CVT question. My local transmission repair shop changed the valve body on my 2014 Outback but did not do the relearn procedure. They said they've changed about 20 of these Subaru valve bodies without doing anything but driving them afterwards to do the relearning process.
So ever since the valve body was replaced the cvt, after getting warmed up will give the feeling of slipping from a dead stop. There's not any screeching sounds or such. It almost feels like it's in natural and being put into drive after the gas pedal is pressed.
What's been your experience with not re-learning these cvt after valve body replacement?
Have not done a replacement without performing the learning process.
Is the learning required if you only change the faulty selenoid????
If I do the work at home is it possible to drive the car to the dealer to have the programming done? Will it cause any damage?
I would pay very close attention to the cvt oil pump cover gasket/ sealing area as they are a common point of leakage on these cvt's jmo
Yes, I replaced the front pump to TC seal when I replaced the TC.
@@MrSubaru1387 I'm referring to the oil pump cover to the cvt joint that is sealed with Threebond 1215g or ultra gray etc which the TC oil seal is pressed into, Is that what your referring too?
The pressed in lip seal, in the oil pump. I didn't unbolt the pump and reseal it.
@@MrSubaru1387 yeah my Xt is leaking from there. There's a TSB about it, it covers pretty much everything from MY 2010 on, both the 690 and 580, TSB 16-103-16R. I think that is the last revised one afaik.
Is the Cvt buck common on the TR690 in “lower gears”when slowing down? Got the 22wrx Cvt & does that from time to time when slowing down from around 45mph
Mine is doing this too. I believe I read there was a TSB that fixes this. Did you get it looked at?
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I haven’t yet going to wait I have to schedule an oil change. have you got yours checked?
@@chrislebeast Friday morning. I’ll post my update after the visit.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 hey there 👋 any updates so far?
@@chrislebeast I apologize, I wasn’t able to make my appointment. I’ve not yet rescheduled it. Truth be told it’s been over 100F each day recently and I have very little motivation to go outside lol
How many quarts of CVT fluid this took?.
Is it obligated using Subaru fluid?. Can other brand of fluid (Not Subaru) can be used?.
hi, i need help with my 1998 legacy twin turbo :( coolant is overflowing thru the expansion reservoir after 20 to 30 mins running at idle... the heater is nor working, temp gauge stays in the middle or just below, fans goes on and off as expected, thermostar is brand new, no mix in the oil, no smoke out thru the exhaust. im confused with the symptoms. idk what should i check next. :(
I noticed a big difference changing my cvt fluid on my 17 Impreza at 89k. I'll replace it again at 140k or so.
That's crazy. I worked at Honda as a technician and CVT oil is replaced at every 15k miles, including differential oils.
@@cssplayer91 well subaru doesn't specify when to replace it and call it lifetime.
@@cabuco2006 there is absolutely no such thing as a "Lifetime fluid" period. That only means it's good for the lifetime of the transmission which is how long? Not long at all with a cvt😂 they are absolutely garbage transmissions no it's ands or buts about it. Idiots
@@cabuco2006 also your transmission will go out before you hit 140k I promise you. They have absolutely trash cvts
@@HazeyDayzz420 I'll keep you my contacts so I can let you know how things are at 200k 😁
Have you had any experience with the vxdiag ssm? I’m doing a valve body swap and the relearning with the software has me worried.
What will happen if I replace Subaru fluid for another brand of fluid?.
What if you don’t relearn? I live nowhere near a dealer and the local shops have no idea what I’m talking about.
What tool do you use to refill the tr690? The bolt
Could a Subaru owner get away with just periodically removing X (say 2) quarts of CVT fluid and adding back that exact amount? As a way of keeping it slightly refreshed? Or do you think it's best to stick with the "full dump and replace" approach every 60k or so?
Drain and refill ever 3yrs/36k miles is best practice.
I watched a video that mentioned adaptive learning transmission. Are the Subaru CVT included in that? Is it a good idea to have previous owners driving methods cleared on a used car; so it starts a fresh set with a different driving style?
It can help. Especially if you bought it from a little old lady, and want it to take off a bit more spiritedly. Lol
@@MrSubaru1387 No. Actually, from the day we bought it; it wants to launch from stand still and seems to get aggravated at our slow take offs. I have to feather the throttle to not snap my neck.
Hmmm, yeah, I normally hear the opposite. Clearing adaptives and doing a learn process would likely help.
Which is the genuine cvt fluid for subaru legacy Bm9 saloon,chasis 004288 2009 model?
How much cvt fluid did you end up using?
I had the CVT fluid changed a couple months ago on my 2017 outback with around 54k miles. The transmission did not go through the re-learn process after the fluid change, should I still have that done?
Learn process is only for valve body or full transmission replacement. Not needed for a fluid replacement.
How would you disable eye sight?
I greet you. Mr Subaru. What type of software did you load on computer to do this relearn process?
I used the Subaru Select Monitor III factory scan tool.
Thank you. I live in Jamaica. Your videos are off the chart.
Did you have to do the reprogramming at the end of the job because you replaced the valve body, or would you have had to do that even if you were just draining and filling the CVT fluid? My dealer wants to charge $620 for CVT Fluid Exchange and Reprogramming. Does that sound right?
$375 CAD to drain and fill on my 2017 3.6r, 8 quarts fluid (amount charged as part of the service). Shouldn't be a charge to relearn CVT.
Hi MrSubaru1387, after watching this video, I decide to let the dealer to do a flush, I have a 2014 Forester XT with 90000 miles and the TR690, so I brought it to the dealer to do a transmission flush few days ago, picked up the car, on the invoice, they only use 8 quarts of high torque fluid, I thought the full capacity is 13.5 quarts, is that something I should worry about? What is your opinion on this matter? Thank you
Just did the CVT drain and fill on my 2017 3.6r
8 quarts were charged for this bigger engine.
In Japan it is 13.5 liters
What happens if I just change the oil with out relearning?
were you doing the 2nd fill process while the engine was running?
For proper fill, the engine should be running, with fluid temp being monitored.
@@MrSubaru1387 thank you
how much would you charge for a service like this?
How do I go about getting a shop to replace solenoid and torque converter when all they seem to want to do is replace the entire assembly?
Good question. Not sure why everyone thinks these are nonrepairable, throwaway units.
What causes low speed buck?
Looking at the condition of the fluid at final hot fluid check, it could do with ANOTHER drain refill....🤣
Right. 200k on the factory fill. All doesn't come out with a pan drop. Just replaced the TC and that got most of the old fluid.
@@MrSubaru1387Thought so, I do wonder why North Americans have such an aversion to fluid changes on transmissions, differentials and especially brake fluid as the potential costly repair odds not doing so is extremely expensive elsewhere. Guess NA leads the world wide throw away society.
@@ausmartin1 Our culture sucks since the majority of vehicles are just leased off the lot or financed and then traded in for the new one keeping them in debt. Newer cars are advertised with "lifetime fluids" and that lifetime is probably for how long the vehicle is under warranty or is expected to be traded in. There are a few of us left who buy our vehicles without going into debt and who do our own fluid changes.
I use a garden sprayer to do the fill. Remove the spray tip, fill with 5 or 6 qts of fluid, pump up the pressure, and use the wand and trigger to fill. Worked really well and very inexpensive. Next level improvement would be to install an air fitting and use a regulator and compressor to hold the pressure while filling.
Leaks are cheaper to fix than engine replacement,better safe than sorry
Do you know which scan tool can switch AWD on and off
Is the relearn 100% needed or could I get away with just replacing the valve body?
The learn process should be performed.
I have a problem with my 2013 legacy after i cleared the engine code my at tem light flashes but no codes on trans and engine and i noticed it has AT learn not complete, how can i do the relearn because with my snap on i dont have that option or do i need to take it to the dealer to do that
You need ssm which is a dealer level obd2 diagnostic and adjustment. There was openssm for a while and you could try that but from what I can tell, it's no longer supported
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How can one get ahold of SSM? I'm tired of working my way through FSM diag procedures to wind up on step n of n and be told to refer to SSM.
Spend several thousand dollars, unfortunately.
There are tools in the $1000 range from Autel and Launch that can do most of the bi-directional advanced functions that SSM can. Something like the Autel MS906 or one of the Launch X431 models. Do your research first. Most include a year of free software updates, but after that the updates are pretty pricey.
Is the CVT relearn procedure mandatory on all models?
For transmission and valve body replacement. Not needed for fluid replacement.
How do I confirm transmission learning was good after valve body replacement? What should I look/hear for during test drive?
My mechanic followed your procedure step by step. But he says the gear ratios are wrong and that there is a learning issue with the transmision. He feels slow acceleration specially at low gears and that the transmission takes to much time to "shift" but I feel evelethig is right... there is no check engine light, I don't hear notices jumps or other weird behavior. Acceleration feels normal to me... But I just want to make sure.
My car is a 2014 Forester XT. It's a 200k mile car I bought second hand.
Thanks
i have 108k on my 2011 should i change the cvt fluid or is it to late
Should've been changed about 60k ago. But, it shouldn't really hurt to service it now.
What scan tool do you use for the re learn ?
Subaru Select Monitor III
what exactly do i need to perform the "learning procedure" at home?
please help! looking at changing out a valve body but i was unaware of the necessary learning procedures.
I would also like to know, I can swap the valve body, but that relearn seems like it might cost more than the valve body itself
Good day is Amsoil CVT fluid as good as the subaru high torque cvt fluid?
I wouldn't change brands. No reason to.
I have switched my Subaru over to everything amsoil. It doesn't use anywhere near as much oil as it did with Subaru or Mobil 1. I'd make the switch if I were you and not look back. Subaru doesn't own an oil refinery. They switch brands all the time. You just don't know it.
I really need a better code reader I currently have my handy dandy harbor freight cen tech model 98614, I connected to my 2013 Subaru the PCM must hate me because it always says Bad communication error and I have to unplug it and plug it back in lol... be honest I’m sort of afraid I’m gonna blow up the computer using this cheap ass scanner...LMAO
What am I missing I thought that transmission needed the Subaru HT CVT only sold in 5 gallon drums .?
I just drained and filled x 3 after I did a 6,qt drain and fill bc I got the service manual and it said cvt 2 a no go need orange one ?
and refilled and re
Ah so it's the same fluid for the tr580 and the tr690? I thought the tr690 needed a different fluid?
Not on these older models. I believe the newer H6 and FA24 turbo TR690s use an HD orange CVT fluid.
@@MrSubaru1387 that's helpful thanks..have been trying to figure out which oil of need for my 2.5 2010 tr690. So it's good to know it's the CVT II fluid..
The UK dealer's won't service them here and will only sell the.fluid in a 20ltr drum.
@@tomhancock4519 Here's a handy chart of ATF/CVT fluids for all models from 2000-2020... www.subaruoutback.org/threads/2011-forester-cvt-transmission.524682/#lg=attachment492406&slide=0
whats the name of that scan tool?/?????
Subaru Select Monitor III. Dealer level tool.
17:17 awd on/off switching mode? Can you run in fwd ?
I believe only testing with the scan tool.
@@MrSubaru1387 oh ok. I know the old subarus you had a awd button. Agh the old days
Second
@MrSubaru1387 could a botched CVT learn cause issues with the forward and transfer clutches? I'm fairly sure my car has forward clutch slip. Here is a video of what my car does;
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The CVT in my car only has ~6,000 miles on it. The previous CVT only lasted 1,200 miles. The previous one I believe had issues with the transfer clutch (whine around corners) and the forward clutch.
My theories are;
1. Bad reman unit from Subaru
2. Wrong fluid added by the dealer
3. Botched (or skipped) CVT learn. If it is this one, My guess is they left the wheels and tires off the front which skewed the results due to the decreased mass.
Fourth! 🤣
first? lol
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