@@George-id5ie professionals have knowledge, but you do not need to have a certificate, he has released a trapped person once with another person who also does not have a certificate.
Even I know you shouldn't be putting a strap around square edges like that. You need to have something with you you can put between it and square edges so it doesn't get cut into by them.
The edges were not sharp, but I should have had a cloth to put over the beam to soften it. Also, how Jordan did that dangle was even worse. He side loaded the carabineer by wrapping the sling around the beam and clipping it back onto itself instead of his harness.
@@benolifts Just because the corners aren't sharp doesn't mean they won't cause damage. Hard edges will over stress the strap and cause it to de laminate gradually. If you get a length of heavy chain say the length of your forearm you'll be fine. That won't be damaged by anything you wrap it around.
And ideally you should have 2 independent hang points just to be safe. So maybe get 2 lengths of chain and 2 carabineers you can hook into 2 different locations on your harness.
With the lifts with the top hook, there is usually only one of them. They usually have a tag of when last inspected. It is often years ago. I am putting all my trust in it.
I've got one issue with Pre-start - if/when it fails, well, you get events like those failures in China (Schindler's too). (Those events tend to be from brakes not applying properly as well)
As far as I know, in the UK the pre door relays need 2 separate shaft bars and relays , although Germany uses 3 (correct me if I am wrong). Most lifts in the present day use magnets instead of bars. So either 2 separate magnet switches have to be false triggered at the same time, or 2 relays have to be stuck open. In addition to this, the logic would have to activate pre-door relay circuit and keep the circuit running and at the same time the VF drive would have to not hold the lift and allow it to slip, and the logic would have to keep the pre door circuit active despite being programmed to stop it when it detects an error. Lets look at all 4 things that have to have failed (labeled as 1, 2, 3 & 4) and where there is 2 options (1A and 1B) then one of the two would have to fail. 1A - Both pre door shaft magnet readers are false triggered. 1B - Both pre door relays are stuck closed 2A - The VF drive fails but VF-OK failed to cut out 2B - The VF drive failed to hold the lift still 3 - The logic keeps the pre door circuit active despite seeing that the lift is moving outside its tolerance 4 - The logic's relay monitoring failed to notice that the pre door relays are true when they shouldn't be It is very unlikely that pre-start would cause a major failure. There is no more risk than with pre-doors and relevelling that use the exact same procedure. But it is likely that the pre-start could fail and the lift starts moving away and looses safety once it has moved 30cm. I have actually seen this happen once and it was rather startling.
BENO have you ever done a Hammond and Champness lift my father in law used to work on them ,unfortunately had an accident at work ,never really recovered properly from it.
The hook has to lift the motor, which is much more heavy than a person. I look at when it was last inspected and if more than 5 years ago I don't do it.
The paperwork with the service documentation is just tucked away in holder mounted in the shaft. What a weird place to store that, but I guess with the MRL lifts there’s no motorroom to keep that documentation.
3300’s also have fermator which is horrid doors, luckily 5500’s uses AMD which is the same company that supplies for KONE. In australia, I’ve not seen 1 5500 with pre start, and once the doors close, they normally take about 8 seconds to start moving. But luckily 3300’s here are rare
@@Heisy0198 Well, not In QLD. I’m saying they are uncommon compared to other lift models, such as the 5500 and monospace, not that they are as rare as an EPL or something.
If you mean in case the lift overruns the top floor, there's a brake release to freefall the lift back down again. You'll need to load it to about full capacity or thereabouts, then pull the brake.
Swan Nayvous. That's my name. I attend an international school in Japan, and I'm 14 years old. I was born and raised in Japan, but I'm American. I enjoy horses, tennis, tea, and Japanese dance... But I like ballet best of all. I want to be a professional ballerina when I grow up. My mother and father are second and third in charge at the world-famous Nayvous Foundation. They think of Japan as home, but spend their time traveling from one country to the next. That's why everyone thinks I'm some kind of celebrity who can have anything she wants, but... No matter how big a house I live in, or how many brand name clothes I have... Being left on my own, with no parents to come home to, makes me feel pretty empty...
That obsession of yours is getting more dangerous by the minute. I’ll friendly remind you to stop, before your irresponsible actions cause harm to yourself or to others. Feel free to ignore this comment, but be warned!
It would suck if the lift decided to get stuck on the first floor whilst dangling at the top. LOL
Only professionals including Beno can do this. He’s a legend and has the guts to do these things.
this is a very unsafe event. and professional people will not act like this stupid.
Professionals are people who are regulated and registered with certain lift saftey boards and theyre enginners
@@George-id5ie professionals have knowledge, but you do not need to have a certificate, he has released a trapped person once with another person who also does not have a certificate.
He has access to brake release so nothing can go wrong, and often has other people with him.
@@sldiyart737 he has knowledge and access to brake release, lastly he does this with other people.
Even I know you shouldn't be putting a strap around square edges like that. You need to have something with you you can put between it and square edges so it doesn't get cut into by them.
Actually I've just realised the simplest thing to do is have a small length of chain you can wrap round the beam and hook into.
The edges were not sharp, but I should have had a cloth to put over the beam to soften it. Also, how Jordan did that dangle was even worse. He side loaded the carabineer by wrapping the sling around the beam and clipping it back onto itself instead of his harness.
@@benolifts Just because the corners aren't sharp doesn't mean they won't cause damage. Hard edges will over stress the strap and cause it to de laminate gradually. If you get a length of heavy chain say the length of your forearm you'll be fine. That won't be damaged by anything you wrap it around.
And ideally you should have 2 independent hang points just to be safe. So maybe get 2 lengths of chain and 2 carabineers you can hook into 2 different locations on your harness.
With the lifts with the top hook, there is usually only one of them. They usually have a tag of when last inspected. It is often years ago. I am putting all my trust in it.
Schindler definetly approved this video and make all they mechanics to do so💥💥💥💥💥💥
Cool Schindler Elevators 👍🏻
I’ve had good experiences with Schindler 5500 I’ve been in Some with a really nice VF sound
I’ve heard of surfing. But dangle?! That’s a new one. I’m getting wheezy just watching this.
I've got one issue with Pre-start - if/when it fails, well, you get events like those failures in China (Schindler's too). (Those events tend to be from brakes not applying properly as well)
As far as I know, in the UK the pre door relays need 2 separate shaft bars and relays , although Germany uses 3 (correct me if I am wrong). Most lifts in the present day use magnets instead of bars. So either 2 separate magnet switches have to be false triggered at the same time, or 2 relays have to be stuck open. In addition to this, the logic would have to activate pre-door relay circuit and keep the circuit running and at the same time the VF drive would have to not hold the lift and allow it to slip, and the logic would have to keep the pre door circuit active despite being programmed to stop it when it detects an error.
Lets look at all 4 things that have to have failed (labeled as 1, 2, 3 & 4) and where there is 2 options (1A and 1B) then one of the two would have to fail.
1A - Both pre door shaft magnet readers are false triggered.
1B - Both pre door relays are stuck closed
2A - The VF drive fails but VF-OK failed to cut out
2B - The VF drive failed to hold the lift still
3 - The logic keeps the pre door circuit active despite seeing that the lift is moving outside its tolerance
4 - The logic's relay monitoring failed to notice that the pre door relays are true when they shouldn't be
It is very unlikely that pre-start would cause a major failure. There is no more risk than with pre-doors and relevelling that use the exact same procedure. But it is likely that the pre-start could fail and the lift starts moving away and looses safety once it has moved 30cm. I have actually seen this happen once and it was rather startling.
@@benolifts so the 5500 has a prestart like the eurolift
@@νικοςποδας-χ5η Yes
Nice video. Makes me wanna surf the lift dangerously, but CRICKEY! How high were you on in the first lift shaft in the video?
Amazing Beno!
BENO have you ever done a Hammond and Champness lift my father in law used to work on them ,unfortunately had an accident at work ,never really recovered properly from it.
He has done quite a few.
@@TheDragonFire123 hi
No hook takes this to another level. No pun intended.
I find it funny how the 400a / Eurolift have a bigger motor than the 3300. I think they even have chassis too
Love your vids Beno, but damn! they give me vertigo lol!
I would prefer not to use the hook personally as I feel they are the weakest part
The hook has to lift the motor, which is much more heavy than a person. I look at when it was last inspected and if more than 5 years ago I don't do it.
Have you ever needed a number to while doing this
If I was dangling like that, I would be afraid for my LIFE!
Nice video
NEVER HOOK YOURSELF ON THE CEILING OF THE ELEVATOR! 😬😵
Beno, Have you seen a Kone Ecodisc with a pre-start?
whats that nice chime on the 3300
The paperwork with the service documentation is just tucked away in holder mounted in the shaft. What a weird place to store that, but I guess with the MRL lifts there’s no motorroom to keep that documentation.
No that's electrical drawings.
hey austin this is guys
hey guys austin is lift dangling
Greetings guys this is tea time.
truly horrifying
3300’s also have fermator which is horrid doors, luckily 5500’s uses AMD which is the same company that supplies for KONE. In australia, I’ve not seen 1 5500 with pre start, and once the doors close, they normally take about 8 seconds to start moving. But luckily 3300’s here are rare
3300's are everywhere, not sure where you at looking...
@@Heisy0198 I said they were uncommon here in Australia, not everywhere
@@LachieVidsTransportVlogs thats not true, 3300's are probably one of the most common lifts in Australia
@@Heisy0198 Well, not In QLD. I’m saying they are uncommon compared to other lift models, such as the 5500 and monospace, not that they are as rare as an EPL or something.
So how do they repair those motor in shaft designs if the motor fails and the lift ends up in the wrong place?
If you mean in case the lift overruns the top floor, there's a brake release to freefall the lift back down again. You'll need to load it to about full capacity or thereabouts, then pull the brake.
@@TheDragonFire123 OK so can you release the brake from the top floor doors.?
@@andrewthompsonuk1 From wherever the logic cabinet is.
@@TheDragonFire123 so is there a cable or something mechanical to pull at the cabinet?
@@andrewthompsonuk1 That, or an electronic gadget that does that for you.
A tough man like he crashed
3:57 Lift motor activated
You are nuts!!
Legit though, what is the point of doing this?
What is probalam erro 1701
Swan Nayvous. That's my name.
I attend an international school in Japan, and I'm 14 years old.
I was born and raised in Japan, but I'm American.
I enjoy horses, tennis, tea, and Japanese dance... But I like ballet best of all.
I want to be a professional ballerina when I grow up.
My mother and father are second and third in charge at the world-famous Nayvous Foundation.
They think of Japan as home, but spend their time traveling from one country to the next.
That's why everyone thinks I'm some kind of celebrity who can have anything she wants, but...
No matter how big a house I live in, or how many brand name clothes I have...
Being left on my own, with no parents to come home to, makes me feel pretty empty...
ok
ok who asked
cool
ELEVATOR SHAFT
NO GO
Haha
😬😵🤯
Was it brave?
Just dumb imo
Ps. I think that actual schindler lifts are just a pure piece of shit
That obsession of yours is getting more dangerous by the minute. I’ll friendly remind you to stop, before your irresponsible actions cause harm to yourself or to others. Feel free to ignore this comment, but be warned!
irresponsible actions!
Beno is a engineer 👷♀️ he has special permission
@@KLTRF I am not an engineer. I did this without permission.
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