16 is more dynamic and tighter. I replaced the stock 4 ohm speakers in both a Marshall and Peavey practice amp with 8 ohm speakers. They have a more dynamic sound and slightly less volume because of the higher impedance. The Peavey farted out on the low notes with the stock Blue Marvel speaker. It was 3.2 ohms!!!
Thanks! Yeah, tonewise these speakers are way different. The 8ohm tonkerlite is meant to get more “British chime,” the 16 ohm cannabis Rex is definitely darker, more throaty. With this video I was trying to focus on the volume different, and these are the 2 speakers I have lol.
Perceived volume is lower with 16ohm because the lower mids are cut, don't ask me how I am no engineer it just is. Db is relatively the same as long as you match the ohm of the amp and cab, 8 ohm is perceived as louder because the upper mids are compressed and they are even more compressed with 4ohm.
I'm NOT a lead player, I'm a rhythm guitarist. I'm probably into MUCH heavier music than yourself...Metal/Thrash/Death Metal, but I did like the rhythm stuff you were jamming here. Pretty Rockin'. When I'm near a guitar and someone asks me to play, I don't wanna shock them by busting out some Metallica or Pantera or KoRn, I'd rather play some bluesy rock like what you're playing. I just never practiced that, as soon as I learned my chords, bar chords and discovered I can play by ear, I jumped straight into learning Metallica, Pantera and other thrash bands.
I think the 16ohm speaker accents guitar articulation from the fretboard combined with pick attack for a sharper sound. On stage, most in the audience wont hear that, unless the sound person is on their "A" game.
@@samhainlimon yes this is correct. You can't actually compare the 8 and 16ohms in this example cause the cabs are different. That alone plays a big difference in your tone and how it's colored.The enclosure plays a vital role in shaping the sound that is produced by the speaker. It can affect the overall frequency response, as well as the volume and clarity of the sound.
Ha, yep! You can see it better in this video th-cam.com/video/NBuJkkoDcSc/w-d-xo.html. It’s an old Japanese copy that had a warped bolt-on neck and a plywood body. I replaced it with a guitar fetish neck and figured why not get a little weird with it.
I wasn’t really comparing the tones as these speakers are pretty different tone-wise (I also didn’t properly mic). I was more focused on the decibel difference between the two impedances.
what was the watt difference between the 8ohm and the 16ohm on the same amp and then read the db and heat difference the amp puts out and do u think having the 16ohm half power on the 8ohm amp is worth it for long givity for the amp and less heat vs very little gain compared to using the 8ohm speaker in loudness?
what is the logic to compare speakers from different boxes? no matter how many ohms they have .... the resonance is different, and it certainly affects the volume. btw, nice playing;)...cheers
Thanks! Frankly, I just threw this video together when I had a spare couple minutes, I had no idea that the algorithm would pick it up and suggest it to people lol. I know the cabs make a difference in the space around it, I was thinking the effect shouldn’t be so big with the db meter one meter directly in front of the cab. Maybe I’ll recreate this experiment more scientifically one day.
I remember way back about 20years..My friend had a Zoomax subwoofer 12inch 300w 8ohms...that speaker played a lot of bass and loudness little bit of Treble n Voices...Till I introduce him to my marshall 10inch 150w 16ohm woofer...everybody was shocked that marshall woofer was far louder than the Zoomax subwoofer..the marshall played a lot Treble Loudness n Voices..when we put the speakers next to one another.you could not even hear the 300w 8h ohms subwoofer..
I think that’s just the characteristic of a British sounding speaker with a Neodymium magnet. The 16ohm is an ‘American’ style speaker, it def has a lot more low end.
Hi, I have a vintage amp and my output is 16 ohms. I have a single woofer ( 16 ohm) and Tweeter (16 ohm) hooked up to the amp through a cross-over. My tweeter is toast so I bought a new Tweeter from Pyle ( PH-391) but it is only 8 ohms. How do I wire this into my set up. My cross-over has a 15 ohm and 33 ohm resistor along with a 3.0 uf Capacitor. Do these new tweeters even need a cross-over ..I am confused. Any help appreciated.
I have a pair of classic JAMO D265 speakers and one as a burnt coil. So im replacimg both 12 inch drivers. I seen some eminence eden xst 16ohm drivers on the internet but not sure wether to stick to 8ohm. Im going run them on a kenwood ka3020 special edition amp that can go 16 to 4 ohm on 4 channels, but also as low impedance capabilities so can run as low as 2ohm. I can run my eminence 15inch me2008 PA speakers on it no problem but they way too powerful to use in my home. So 16 or 8ohm drivers for my JAMO'S ???.
that's because the closed one has more bass, it's a phase effect that kills bass in an open back cabinet, the sound from the back partly cancels out the sound in the front
question: What would be the perceived volum difference between the same amp (rated at 8ohm min.) running into either a Single 8ohm 12" cab, vs. running into a 2x12 16ohm cab? I'm asking because I have 2 8ohm drivers and am trying to decide how best to use them with this amp. From this experiment, it appears that the 2 drivers in series at 16ohms would still have more output than a single driver at 8ohms. Essentially, I'm trying to make sure my cab is as universally compatible with the various amp heads that I own. At least, one of the amps requires a minimum 8ohm load. So, barring just buying new 4ohm drivers and running them in parallel, the 16ohm option seems best. Thoughts?
Just to give you a quick answer to the volume differences between the 8 ohm and 16 ohm speakers. For example... A 8 ohm amp at 50 watts and a 16 ohm amp at 50 watts will both be about the same volume level, if both are using matched speakers, that's determined more by the output wattage and efficiency of the speakers. Speaker efficiency makes a much greater difference in volume than the resistance of the same speaker. You can't hear the difference in volume between a 8 ohm and 16 ohm speaker hooked to the same amp. So really no impedance doesn't play a role in volume as much as it plays a role in how much of a load the speaker can handle.
ah different cabinets ... got me thinking to do a comparison b/w two speakers same mfr with same sensitivity using the same amp which would be louder. And will it matter .... 3dB (double power) -- I've been told that is when someone who knows there stuff will tell the difference ... most people won't notice until 6-9dB
Interesting video with zero scientific information. Too many variables using a person playing a stringed instrument and different cabinets. It only takes minutes to swap speakers. A better way to do this would be with a tone generator and recording at multiple levels and frequency. I go away with no new information. Sorry to sound like Data. lol But fun video.
You should have use same brand speaker and same cab
Agreed. This whole thing is stupid because of using different everything.
agreed. some people said box influence 50% of sound
Exactly you can’t properly compare something when your using 2 completely setups. It doesn’t work that way dude.
Yes that's why there is big difference in this video!
16 is more dynamic and tighter. I replaced the stock 4 ohm speakers in both a Marshall and Peavey practice amp with 8 ohm speakers. They have a more dynamic sound and slightly less volume because of the higher impedance. The Peavey farted out on the low notes with the stock Blue Marvel speaker. It was 3.2 ohms!!!
16 ohms sound more pleasant . 8 ohms sound to fast and difficult to understand .
I like the 16, sounds heavy, dirgy and dark...nice playin, too.
Thanks! Yeah, tonewise these speakers are way different. The 8ohm tonkerlite is meant to get more “British chime,” the 16 ohm cannabis Rex is definitely darker, more throaty. With this video I was trying to focus on the volume different, and these are the 2 speakers I have lol.
Perceived volume is lower with 16ohm because the lower mids are cut, don't ask me how I am no engineer it just is. Db is relatively the same as long as you match the ohm of the amp and cab, 8 ohm is perceived as louder because the upper mids are compressed and they are even more compressed with 4ohm.
I'm NOT a lead player, I'm a rhythm guitarist. I'm probably into MUCH heavier music than yourself...Metal/Thrash/Death Metal, but I did like the rhythm stuff you were jamming here. Pretty Rockin'.
When I'm near a guitar and someone asks me to play, I don't wanna shock them by busting out some Metallica or Pantera or KoRn, I'd rather play some bluesy rock like what you're playing. I just never practiced that, as soon as I learned my chords, bar chords and discovered I can play by ear, I jumped straight into learning Metallica, Pantera and other thrash bands.
Great stuff thanks for being Chuck
Different cabs, so that alone will sound different.
16 sounds better, the 8 ohm cab sounds thin, like a cheap combo you'd start on
IT IS NOT ABOUT DECIBELS IT IS WHAT REFLECTED OHMS THE POWER TUBES NEED TO SEE TO PERFORM THIER BEST
Wow, the levels are so even at 8ohms as if they’re naturally compressed
It was also clipping my inputs, I wasn’t paying close enough attention to the interface.
I like 16ohm very cleannn 🔊
8 ohm is more solid but i like 16 ohm because is more magical
Why did you take the logo off your Jet City amp? The 333 plate is a rare collector’s item now.
It got cracked and wound up being a sharp edge some years ago. Figured for safety’s sake it had to go
I think the 16ohm speaker accents guitar articulation from the fretboard combined with pick attack for a sharper sound. On stage, most in the audience wont hear that, unless the sound person is on their "A" game.
Huh? Two different cabs for comparison?
The one thing you must never do is run a valve amplifier with no speaker/load connected.
Voltage across valve goes up and can damage it..
Unless you have a peavey valveking ii witch have an internal dummy load, otherwise it will "burn" like you said
@daniellinares2493 That's a good idea. Why they didn't do similar with home audio God knows.
Hard to compare because cab is different. Maybe differences are due to the cab only.
your right on your first statement. We cant tell because the cabs are different and make a big difference right?
@@samhainlimon yes this is correct. You can't actually compare the 8 and 16ohms in this example cause the cabs are different. That alone plays a big difference in your tone and how it's colored.The enclosure plays a vital role in shaping the sound that is produced by the speaker. It can affect the overall frequency response, as well as the volume and clarity of the sound.
Great comparison video, Chuck!
Would've liked to have seen more of that guitar though...is that a V headstock on a Les Paul?
Ha, yep! You can see it better in this video th-cam.com/video/NBuJkkoDcSc/w-d-xo.html. It’s an old Japanese copy that had a warped bolt-on neck and a plywood body. I replaced it with a guitar fetish neck and figured why not get a little weird with it.
I have a Vintage 30 16 and I'm going to run it out of my Hot rod deluxe for a new voice... thx.
Speaker swaps are probably the most profound effect you can have on your tone. But putting a 16ohm in there should take the volume down a little bit.
In my opinion, all what i hear, that 16om has less noise. So, your ears/brain faster tired from 8om then from 16.
I wasn’t really comparing the tones as these speakers are pretty different tone-wise (I also didn’t properly mic). I was more focused on the decibel difference between the two impedances.
what was the watt difference between the 8ohm and the 16ohm on the same amp and then read the db and heat difference the amp puts out and do u think having the 16ohm half power on the 8ohm amp is worth it for long givity for the amp and less heat vs very little gain compared to using the 8ohm speaker in loudness?
what is the logic to compare speakers from different boxes? no matter how many ohms they have .... the resonance is different, and it certainly affects the volume. btw, nice playing;)...cheers
Thanks! Frankly, I just threw this video together when I had a spare couple minutes, I had no idea that the algorithm would pick it up and suggest it to people lol. I know the cabs make a difference in the space around it, I was thinking the effect shouldn’t be so big with the db meter one meter directly in front of the cab. Maybe I’ll recreate this experiment more scientifically one day.
I remember way back about 20years..My friend had a Zoomax subwoofer 12inch 300w 8ohms...that speaker played a lot of bass and loudness little bit of Treble n Voices...Till I introduce him to my marshall 10inch 150w 16ohm woofer...everybody was shocked that marshall woofer was far louder than the Zoomax subwoofer..the marshall played a lot Treble Loudness n Voices..when we put the speakers next to one another.you could not even hear the 300w 8h ohms subwoofer..
Impedance and efficiency are bigger factors that wattage handling
I thought he was standing at a podium for a second
That’s where I address my constituents. And by constituents, I mean my dogs.
@@Chucksguitargeekery haha
The podium of Rock!
16ohm. The 8ohm sounded way to boxy
I think that’s just the characteristic of a British sounding speaker with a Neodymium magnet. The 16ohm is an ‘American’ style speaker, it def has a lot more low end.
👍🇺🇲❤16 OHMS warmer smoother
8 better for lead and 16 good for chords
And the verdict is? 8ohms sounds better!
doesn't this only matter with tube amps.
Hi, I have a vintage amp and my output is 16 ohms. I have a single woofer ( 16 ohm) and Tweeter (16 ohm) hooked up to the amp through a cross-over.
My tweeter is toast so I bought a new Tweeter from Pyle ( PH-391) but it is only 8 ohms. How do I wire this into my set up.
My cross-over has a 15 ohm and 33 ohm resistor along with a 3.0 uf Capacitor.
Do these new tweeters even need a cross-over ..I am confused. Any help appreciated.
I have a pair of classic JAMO D265 speakers and one as a burnt coil. So im replacimg both 12 inch drivers. I seen some eminence eden xst 16ohm drivers on the internet but not sure wether to stick to 8ohm. Im going run them on a kenwood ka3020 special edition amp that can go 16 to 4 ohm on 4 channels, but also as low impedance capabilities so can run as low as 2ohm. I can run my eminence 15inch me2008 PA speakers on it no problem but they way too powerful to use in my home.
So 16 or 8ohm drivers for my JAMO'S ???.
Cool. Ears hurt more with 8 ohm!
The 16 ohm sounded more deeper
I liked the 8Ohm speaker better - just sounded more solid
that's because the closed one has more bass, it's a phase effect that kills bass in an open back cabinet, the sound from the back partly cancels out the sound in the front
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question: What would be the perceived volum difference between the same amp (rated at 8ohm min.) running into either a Single 8ohm 12" cab, vs. running into a 2x12 16ohm cab? I'm asking because I have 2 8ohm drivers and am trying to decide how best to use them with this amp. From this experiment, it appears that the 2 drivers in series at 16ohms would still have more output than a single driver at 8ohms. Essentially, I'm trying to make sure my cab is as universally compatible with the various amp heads that I own. At least, one of the amps requires a minimum 8ohm load. So, barring just buying new 4ohm drivers and running them in parallel, the 16ohm option seems best. Thoughts?
Just to give you a quick answer to the volume differences between the 8 ohm and 16 ohm speakers. For example... A 8 ohm amp at 50 watts and a 16 ohm amp at 50 watts will both be about the same volume level, if both are using matched speakers, that's determined more by the output wattage and efficiency of the speakers. Speaker efficiency makes a much greater difference in volume than the resistance of the same speaker. You can't hear the difference in volume between a 8 ohm and 16 ohm speaker hooked to the same amp. So really no impedance doesn't play a role in volume as much as it plays a role in how much of a load the speaker can handle.
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ah different cabinets ... got me thinking to do a comparison b/w two speakers same mfr with same sensitivity using the same amp which would be louder. And will it matter .... 3dB (double power) -- I've been told that is when someone who knows there stuff will tell the difference ... most people won't notice until 6-9dB
8 was harsh..... 16 for me
I like the sound of 16ohms better
2:26 119db :)
5:43 121...
Soldier
No difference thank you
Interesting video with zero scientific information. Too many variables using a person playing a stringed instrument and different cabinets. It only takes minutes to swap speakers. A better way to do this would be with a tone generator and recording at multiple levels and frequency. I go away with no new information.
Sorry to sound like Data. lol But fun video.
Sorry but this a completely pointless video since you used different products 😅😅😅
bad sound 🤢