AQUASOIL VS DIRT UPDATE AFTER 2 WEEKS! SMALL ISSUES AND BUYING NEW FISH!
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wild catch fish are usually put on "zero diet" before shipping, this way they empty their guts before packed and pollution of water in transport is kept at minimum. Also when fish are exported, they are packed in 50-100 fish per bag, this been said the contamination of transport water is a real issue and the "zero diet" is a necessary process. Unfortunately as with all kind shipments, some kind of delays before packing and shipping often happen, and sometimes fish sit on diet for a little longer than usual.
Next many fish have parasites in their body, that are usually kept in control by the immune system. The "zero diet" and stress of catching and transport is massive stress, which weakens the immune system. A weak immune system leads to a spike of parasites which kind causes the fish to fight against them and using more of the saved nutrients.
Finally ottocats are food specialists and their main source of food is biofilm and algae with low nutrient density.
After all when they arrive in the shops it takes a long time for them to fully recover, which is the reason why they often look skinny.
Jurijs the walking encyclopedia! You always amaze me with your knowledge! Thanks for sharing this 🙏🏻
Are your oto’s not locally/EU bred? That’s what I was told when I bought them in my regular shop. After a few months all still alive. I have enough algea in the tank and feed sinking wafers for the pygmy’s. I see the oto’s nibbling from the waffers sometimes as well.
When I dirted my tank, I added balls of red clay throughout the dirt. That worked great. I've seen people adding an iron source in most of the videos I've watched. P.S.: you have a dirted tank, not a Walstad tank. There's a difference in concept (low stocking level, no added CO2, etc.)
For the sake of the science experiment, I think you should continue with the aquariums as is, unadidated for a month, a month and a half and see real eye-opening results, then add according to their nutritional needs, but not without seeing those interesting results. Super interesting video !!. Greetings
I think aquasoil adds the nutrients directly through the water column while the dirted takes time to leech out to the water column since you capped it with dark substrate. So to keep the experiment honest, dont add ferts and see if the dirted will catch up with the aquasoil
I've heard even aqua plants prefer to root feed, once the roots take hold, I bet the deficiencies will go away in the dirt tank. I mean immersed plants grow fine in regular soil lol.
Agreed, this sums it up.
yeah, let's see how they do without ferts. I want to save some money, and save the ecology.
Gravel is to permeable as Walstad found out in later years. I'm told she modified her methods to less course substrate such as sand.
Dirt needs to be capped with a deep sand substrate to protect water quality and prevent fouling the water.
Using gravel turns a tank into an open sewer, the water flows freely through carrying waste and nutrients back into the water column, also no anoxic zones for necessary anaerobic bacteria.
Nutrients in the water column are provided mostly by the fish but bio loads vary as does how many water column plants may be in the tank. Father Fish covers this on his channel, he's been doing it for 60 years
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Great video, and great comparison, I used to use dirt almost 25 years, only issue with dirt tank is when you pull out the plants and replant, depending on your style it does make a mess in the water column compared to aquasoil, growth plant wise they both work well. Can't wait till the next video
I really enjoy your vs experiment videos. By doing this you are taking the hobby forwards. That's a super cool thing. As always thank you for sharing 👍✌️
I think you should leave them for at least 2 months
Love your channel! You have a very calming voice, and all the aquascapes you create are beautiful.
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Hi Mark - reputably manufactured compost should have the NPK and the trace elements stated. Iron is vital, in hard water demands can be quite high, but Iron and light suits algae especially well, so care is needed. Low Nitrate leech into the water column is one of the advantages for using pond soil with gravel topping. Good luck.
Really looking forward to the end of this experiment. It's kind of informing the decision for a 10-gallon tank I have and getting ready to scape.
For a potential next project, you should try a tank with inert substrate and osmocote root tabs versus a tank with something like aquasoil.
I see alot of people using DIY root tabs over nutrient-rich substrate. Would be curious to see the difference!
yeah I would also like to know if i can get away with just fert tabs instead of buying expensive substrate. But, I wonder how expensive it will be in the long term. The pills dissolve, and I will have to use them, but how often? Maybe I should add 10 dollars and just buy some decent soil, instead of buying fert pills for a couple years. Another thing is how long the soil will last. It would be terrible to have to buy expensive soil every year... Do people have to change soil often and restart the tank?
Never boring great to watch and informative
Yeah, it's basically natural compost vs cat litter with added fertilizers.
I put some of our natural, red clay at the bottom, then mature compost (aged wood chips + chicken manure), then add gravel/sand.
I like looking at the various layers up front as it lets me know how the anoxic layer is doing (as it turns a blue-grey) & the critters among the layers as well.
Brilliant video. With the Walstad tank the immediate stocking of fish means excess fish food and fish waste provide the extra nutrients required, so I imagine this is the answer for you. Shrimp bioload is only low
Great experiment 🤙🏻.
Yes nutrient rich Aqua subs give everything to the roots and maybe the potting soil is lacking so root tabs from the start or an ADA super rich substrate (JBL do and Aquabasis) layer with soil on top capped with sand.
I know it’s finicky but it’ll still be cheaper than full aquasoil.
With the lack of ferts in the potting soil then water column dosing is a must, even super lean will bring the fading plants back to life unless they’ve gone too far.
Food for thought but I can see the potting soil with tabs and water column dosing working for 6 months or so before more root tabs are needed.
Great experiment video. You are right in thinking the soil for the "Walstad" tank is low in nutrients. From the beginning you need to use organic Top Soil. What you used is unknown, but since the water lily industry pushes fertilizer tablets, i suspect the soil is more of medium for ease of root growth and water clarity. With that said, you can still amend this medium. Get some different colors of clay: red, dark brown, and grey, {i get samples from clay companies } mix in a pinch bone meal and about a quarter to half as much of the clay amount with volcanic ash. This will give the roots everything they need via the bacteria in the soil. { this is another important aspect of natural soil, the waiting for microbes to grow to make the food for the plants.} if you want a bumper of fertilizer, but you might get an algae out break, you can mix in worm casings soil, { or really well rotted or aged garden compost.} After mixing; roll the clay into small balls the size of your pinky nail. Put them on a paper lined tray and freeze them. when placing in the very bottom of the tank, it's better to take out over half the water. How much to apply ? i usually line the whole bottom, but just placing around the root zone of the plants will work great also. This method gets better as the tank ages, since the bacteria are the main players here. Hope this helps !
Great to see what I can do, so thx for the tips!
-Maybe wait until after the full month before adding these supplements.
-Just to see what the difference is, as you set it up. Good trials, here. (thummbs up)
Tanks are looking good. I wouldn't do anything yet , lets see the development. Great choice with the fish, I love guppies. I think they are my favorite fish.
Another great video! Would it be possible to cover all the tests that you generally do for fertilization surveillance? There are many videos out about ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, etc. but not many about testing for specific plant related nutrient levels. Thanks!
Would probably keep the aquariums as they are for a while longer and see of the issue sorts itself - And then add fertilisers to see if that fixes the issue. That way you know if it was actually a nutrient deficiency, and if it is fixable
Those are some beautiful endlers! Good choice!
I hit like now before I start watching the video. You young man are a great artist and instructor keep up with great videos writing this before watching the video.
Really excited to see how the walstad style works out. I'd like to do this when I set up my 55 tanks for an Amazon biotype.
The tiger endlers are awesome, aren't they? I got an random assortment of endler males from aquahuna recently and there were several tigers in there and I think they are my favorites.
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It would be good to see the difference between epiphyte plants with roots in the substrate against just in the water column.
If you need some nutrients in the dirt tank its easy. You just need to disturb the substrate a little bit and there you go! It worked really well for me
A tip is that use a T connection to connect the two CO2 lines.
The upside is the both tanks get the same pressure and they should have the same diffuser then, so that one is not letting out the pressure more easily than the other.
Then you do not need to try to try to get "almost" the same BPM.
Those Endlers are dope 👌🏼 Great choice
It's interesting the iron problem. The walsted method says that miracle grow soil, with fertilizer in it should be used. So maybe with the right soil, it would work out fine
I did durt substrate made of wood mulch and green clay on a 250L aquarium ,after several months I had to add some iron, a lot of magnesium, some nitrate and a lot of phosphate
Love your videos bro. Thoughts on adding nutrients id leave it so we can see what happens with just the soil.
I would probably leave the tank for a few more weeks after which the nutrients in the water column should increase in the dirted but regarding the iron deficiency , I think almost 60% dirted tank owners add some clay into the substrate to help with the iron deficiency but I dose them manually. After a few more weeks the nitrates should increase but I'm not so hopeful with the iron , so you may need to dose some iron manually ! I'm still hoping the dirted tank suddenly goes crazy in a few more days !
I'd think perhaps try adding fertilizers after the 20 or 30 days but to both tanks simultaneously, and see how both react to the extra nutrients... :)
I watched your original video on the set up and was surprised you used pond soil as I always thought that “aqua soil” was low in nutrients. As a gardener when I set up water features or small ponds the books say not to use garden soil as there would be too many nutrients and would cause algae and to use specialised aqua soil. Not sure if this helps or confuses matters more 😀
i really do like your choice of guppies i also have tiger endlers and it took 3 shops before i found males and females in one place
great choice for the endlers .. hope they breed for you soon :)
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I just got yellow tigers last week... BEAUTIFUL fish
I like the price of the dirted tank better. The differences are small, but free soil to me, beats purchased soil.
I think you should add some iron and or different ferts but add overall cost and effort comparison.
Its probably mainly the iron some dirted tank guides recommend mixing some iron oxide for long term ( after 2 years) and dried blood or trace mix for the short term and some epsom salts in the dirt as well its still cheaper than aquasoil
Salut Marc je pense laisse les bac évoluer identiquement pour le moment. Mais le seul regret c'est que tu n'a pas utilisé un substrat plantes pour aquarium je pense que ses pas le même apport nutrientionnel que celui des nénuphars. Mais j'ai hâte de voir l'évolution des bacs. Mais aussi il faudrait atendre aussi le relargage du sol technique mais il faut attendre plus d'un mois pour avoir un rendu des 2 bacs. Merci à toi continues avec t'es experience car ses vraiment intéressants. Merci
I've not used "pond" soil (I believe this is what you used?) previously, so I can't speak to what's in it. I typically just use organic potting soil.
I think the aqua soil is much better at releasing it's components, while dirt is more stable and will do so at a slower rate.
End of the day: iron in the water != iron getting to the plants
Definitely treat them the same. Dirted tanks are usually low tech. So, it’s possible that using CO2 is driving faster grow that’s incompatible with the slower nutrient release of the pond compost. Perhaps the lesson learned will be aquasoils are better for high tech setups. 😄
I started my fist dirted tank 5 day ago and I'm o excited to se whats hapen. I did shoes I much more rich dirt with added iron and som other nutrients. I have some problems with nitrite but all the other stats are good. Stabile ph and hk. I have hired mer rich dirt will take longer to get rid of the nitrie. But ut has already started growing like crazy
My recipe is: Lowest layer 1-1.5 inches deep, of a homogenous mixture of, 2 parts unfired terra cotta clay hydrated to a warm peanut butter consistency, 4 parts clean silica sand, 8 parts organic potting soil for terrestrial plants. Miracle-gro organic potting soil or Happy Frog organic potting soil both work well. I mix these until the clay is thouroughly mixed in with the other ingredients. Regular potting soil will have time release fertilizer pellets, and sometimes water retaining gel polymer, so, it must be ORGANIC potting soil. I buy the sand as "playground sand" from Lowes, which I wash really well to remove fine dust. Be sure that the clay is a high iron regular pottery clay for spinning and firing. If it says "no kiln necessary", then it has epoxy or some other polymer hardener in it, and should not be used.
Middle layer one inch deep. Equal parts sand and potting soil.
Top layer 1-2 inches of clean silica sand.
Your mistake was using water lily soil. That's really just meant to anchor the water lily down. Then you fertilize with water lily tablets. The manufaturers make sure that the nutrinent content is low in those products, so that people don't poison their pond fish with too much nutrient in the water all at once. Many water lily soil products are just a very expensive bag of old school kitty litter. The little-clay-bits kind, that people used before everyone started using the clumping kind. Some people actually use Walmart kitty litter which is just that same clay pellet product, in their aquascape substrates, but I have found it to be problematic, myself, for various reasons. I've tried everything over the years.
Great video amigo
next time I think you should add fertilizer to the bottom of the dirt tank. I used Cattle manure mixed with clay soil and it works fine
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Adding more variables into this experiment will reduce the accuracy of the results.
I thought he did fertilizer tabs, but perhaps not.
real risk of an ammonia spike
I agree. There is a Father Fish formula for this, and you need to cap with two inches of sand to prevent the leaching. I add osmocote, iron oxide, blood fish and bone meal, seaweed extract, baking soda, lime, Aquarium compost and peat, with no leaching or spikes at all.
How do you do all the maintenance, cleaning, water & changes? I’m tired of more than 2 high maintenance tanks.
Would be cool to try light effect on plants. same setup but with red/ blue/ green vs white led
Add an equal number of rice fish to each tank, and measure out fod for yjr,rvrtu othrt fsy/. Maybe add some catfish votydoras
Hi can you please make a video on how you change the intensity of the chihiros a series lights?
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First of all i want to say that i have 0 experience with dirted tanks. But i think you shouldn’t add fertilizer for a while but if the plants don’t thrive then you should add fertilizers and to both tanks to make it fair
For the iron deficiency, I've heard of some people that use steel nails in their tanks to add iron.
Would you share, what is the shelf you have your small tanks on? I've Been hunting for something attractive and suitable to display my multiple planted bowls but everything I find can't support the weight. I can build but I don't want to lol
If you are low in iron the Red plants often get super red.
I would say leave the dirted tank as is, just for the sake of experimenting. Great progress nonetheless!
Am looking forward to being good at plants, so that I won't be buying them, anymore.
(And, of course have wonderful tanks!) -Your vids are awesome!
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please, notify me about the result about 0.5 - 1 year later. I am going to try this sort of aquariums with soil, so I need to know what it's like before I try and get disappointed/happy.
In the dirt tank, you don't change the water after it's stable.
Great video, though I would say the pond soil probably had no water dilutable nitrogen, I use wormcasting and I always see nutrients in the water collum. Do the soil bags on them have values written on them?
I'll check the bag again, but I don't think there was anything on it
You should add diy clay root tabs for iron in the dirt tank
Hey MJ,
What must be the Lux level for Low, Medium & high tech. Aquariums?
I think that in a tank with high light and co2, you should not let nitrate deficiency for too long. Dirt or not.
Don't add nothink . it will increase the "noise" in measurments , results of experiment .
The 👍 button is also showing some deficiency, let's press it and see what happens 😂
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I don't know if this is it but can it be that there is less iron in the water coloum because you capped the dirt and it cant release it into the water colum because you didn't cap the aquasoil one
MAN, THESE VIDS JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER. I think you should leave the tanks as they are, because your only on week 2
endlers and guppies are different fish with a lot of similarities both are live bearers but only 1 of them actually eat their own babies, endlers are smaller then guppies in general
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I'm not experienced in any way with planted tanks but i had an idea of what is happening. I think with the soil tank that black sand substrate is holding down the nutrients in the soil. Rather with the aqua soil it has freedom to leach nutrients in the water column. I think you should leave the experiment how it is right now and don't add fertilizer, and see what happens.
It's hard to watch a tank not doing as well as the other, don't add any fertilizer, just keep the experiment going
I think that u should not add ferts to keep it onest . Please also do a experiment with inert sand 1-2 mm with root tabs vs aquasoil because i ve tried it and i got the same beautifull results as my dutch style tank with amazonia v2 so i pretty much got to the conclusion that aquasoil its a big scam ... love your work , good job bro !
Alô.what about mixing the two,dirt soil and aqua soil?
how do u make a filterless..none fertilized tank..without water changes
Hello I'm still newbie and I have 75Gallons tank, is it safe to add aquasoil in established aquarium with 10 Goldfish on it? and by the way I bought aquasoil , for being excited I havn't ready the instruction in the back and I washed and rinse it for 7 times , after that when I read the packaged I just read that you don't need to washed the aquasoil. Can I still use this one? or I need to buy new one and put it in established tank wth goldfish?
What does the "dirt" bag tell about how much iron, etc is in the soil? If the dirt is lacking iron, then maybe you should supplement.
I don’t think you should add fertilizer, I’m interested to see if the deficiency resolves itself once the roots find the substrate in the dirt tank. Adding fertilizers will add another variable to the experiment.
I was waiting for this update 😃
How long does a no filter planted tank take to cycle bro?
I'd leave them since it is an experiment. If you add iron/nutrients you won't know which is better. Let them either fail or succeed and let us know what you find out in the end...even though I know it's hard...
Deberías dejarlo sin abonar nada líquido, así se vería en realidad la diferencia de un sustrato a otro. También es cierto que las plantas de tallo, aunque se alimenten por las raíces, también cogen nutrientes del agua. Yo lo dejaría como está y así se ven las diferencias.
wait for one month as i am reading about this that walstad method needs more time to settle down
Super interressant . Peu etre laisser sans engrais pour confirmer l ecperience . Un.plaisir les videos merci 👍
Cool experiment. Those endless are so pretty. Also, I was wondering, what do you feed your otocinclus? Mine seems to be rejecting everything I've given them apart from boiled cucumbers 🤷🏻♂️
I feed them spirulina tablets!
Say goodbye to the baby shrimp. Amazing video though :)
Try normal potting soil, the pond soil lacks nutrients because of water contamination. My dirted tanks are the best I have ever had.
It's a little weird to see a dirted tank with CO2 injection. Walstad tanks are usually low tech. One of the advantages of the dirted tank is that as organic matter in the soil breaks down, it releases small amounts of CO2- not as much as you would get with injection- but enough to really support plant growth.
Please if you have a dirted tank dont disturb the substrate. will release dozens of nutrients and cause algae
Dirt is not all equal. I use a recipe similar to FatherFish's channel. I made it to suite my water. I use some earthworm castings in my soil recipe and I have not seen the same deficiencies that you have seen. Aquasoil is easy, dirt is hard. That's why I like dirt. My dirt outperforms aquasoil but it is the result of 25 years of making dirt. I could dig out my recipe if you would like to see it.
Please do aqua soil vs sand +root tabs because its easier and cheaper to get root tabs
Nice two weeks update
A great channel on deep substrate dirted tanks is Father Fish; simple, concise and accurate, anyone can do it. Father Fish has been doing this for over 60 years, both fresh and salt water.
Since finding his channel I have three deep substrate dirted tanks and a jar. No gravel, no vacuum siphoning and no regular water changes. A fish store in San Francisco USA uses this method and has done no water changes in 30 years
My vote it to leave it as is. It will definitely recover if you add liquid fertilizers, but I feel like that defeats the point of the competition.
Unfortunately, pond compost is far less richer in nutrients than standard potting compost. You would be ok using with a few additives, capped with a good 1.5" of sand.
The difference with potting compost + additives and aquasoil is longevity. It is expected that aquasoil will be spent within 2 years. I know someone who is still growing plants (without additional fertilizer) in a natural tank that is at least 10 years old.
i added magnesium sulphate, calcium hydroxide, ferrous sulphate, some humic acid and NPK before putting dirt in the bottom, then covered it with 1 inches sand...I observed great growth and colours, but carpet plants can't be grown by this method because of sand.
They can if you mix humus in the top layer of sand. Use 2" of sand as a cap and add the humic substance (leaves, small twigs, pond or creek mulch) to the top 1". Short root plants will grow in that environment.
@@FatherFish okay, thanks fot the tip
For true results..please Leave it No liquid ferts.i was hoping that you fidnt get fish.. they would add food for plants
Gotta love a dirted tank! Almost as good as aquasoil and far, far cheaper. And love those fish BTW (guppies breed like rabbits lol). Last thing is do you have any experience with chili rasboras, and if so, did you like them?
Yeah so far I'm enjoying this dirted tank a lot! Yeah definitely love chili rasboras! Are you considering buying some?
@@MJAquascaping Yes I am for my nano and I also love my dirted tank!
@@youtubeviewer9523 definitely go for it! Perfect nano fish
@@MJAquascaping Thanks Mark! On my christmas list lol
Don't add any fertilizer to the tanks. Give them the entire expirament time frame with just the soil for comparison sake.
Hah, tanks look awesome man! PS: what do you mean hopefully you get some breeding action?!? Guppies breed like there's no tomorrow lol.
Yeah don't know why I said that 😂 probably in a few weeks I will ask them to please stop breeding so much 😂