The Flawed Feminism of Blackpink...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2025
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DO NOT LEAVE HATE COMMENTS ON BLACKPINK. THIS IS FOR CRITICALLY ANALYZING THEIR IMAGE ONLY!‼️
IN THIS VIDEO I SAY BRANDING WHICH IS WRONG since I do not believe YG has explicitly marketed them as empowering women (though said they’d follow 2ne1’s foot steps when they debuted), I should have said IMAGE, or how even big media like to label them ‘Girl Power’ along with their fans.
IMPORANT: flash warning at 16:07 , I usually take those parts out but I somehow missed this one so please be careful. I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again!
After heard your voice
I imagine that you are talking to me and not just a comment
@@ivexoults TRULY DISTURBING? Do you know what disturbing is? Watch your words because this is basically how you start a fanwar.
@@ivexoults brainless.
@@lilliban9339It is!WTF is "I'm not like those other girls at all" in Typa girl??You guys are pretty bad at taking up constrictive criticism coz most of you don't know the meaning!!
@@lilliban9339how do you know they haven't talked the sane way about other singers too? Lmao this is a topic specifically for an artist, bp on this case, and you expect someone to pull out other artists in the discussion in order for their opinion to be valid?
It just shows you have no arguments
"I have so much money, i'm such a pretty bitch, i'm better than you"
That's the entire Blackpink discography since 2019 or even earlier.
Yep that's feminism right there y'all, blinks love to see it 💀💀
lovesick girls, you never know, love to hate me, the happiest girl:-
@@harshhhiikaai hope you just realized that songs with topics other than bragging, flexing ecc. (aka topics about love and break ups) are a minority
@Army-cy5dw blackpink has 3-4 songs at most about them being successful & rich women.. I swear y'all would not survive a day outside kpop
@@wittysbon shut down pink venom and typa girl are 3 songs in 1 album alone, so.....
The only ones not surviving a day outside of kpop are blinks because imagine being hit with the realization that there are artists out there whose discography doesn't revolve around only 3 topics. A big shock
saying bp are peak feminism in a industry where gidle exists is actually peak comedy.
True…
@@mariapiccioni5974 and the constant hate and mocking they recieve is so telling. they hate when women genuinely speak their minds.
I'm not saying BP are peak feminism at all because that doesn't even exist, feminism is flawed as a whole. But (G)-Idle probably wouldn't exist if BP hadn't popularized girl crush at the time they did and stopped companies from trying to create the next Girls Generation
@@T_CupMAO please there were other girl crush groups before Blackpink, KARA, 4minute, After school, Miss A Blackpink didn't popularize shit
@@MoMotaroDaisuke No one is saying they invented girl crush. Of course other girl crush groups existed, but they didn't popularize the concept in the same way Blackpink did, idk how you don't understand that
The problem is that they would put up questionable things in the name of Feminism and fans would take it all .
What did they put ???
@joythinker739 and that is a right thing?? Blinks brains has been damaged by ratata ratata badabimbada boomboom
@@joythinker739 they never really took up the feminism theme it’s there fans as mentioned in the main comment who feed on anything blackpink put in the supposed “blackpink feminist queens” agenda
Nothing Blackpink does should ever be considered as Feminism, wearing rich clothes and looking pretty doesn't mean Feminism.
@@joythinker739 they dont but blinks do constantly force the entire "blackpink feminist queens" agenda and try so hard to make it seem like blackpink empowers young women and girls when the only ppl they are actually empowering is themselves
Typa girl has peak "written by a man" energy, even if it wasnt lol
"I could sing in mandarin, you'd still know I'm pandering" :P
Back in the 3rd generation, I thought Black Pink was very feminist because they were able to show so many different sides of themselves. Boombaya was loud, bombastic, and unapologetic. Whistle was subdued and effortlessly cool. AITYL was fun, colorful, and youthful without being forced. Stay was emotional and vulnerable. Every single song after that has been "I'm better than you, and let me say it through a metaphor." Now, it just feels like the group is the product of a boardroom full of 40 year old men who think they know what teenage girls like better than girls themselves.
Darling YG producers know the members well and they also express the members they really close,
Also the members never show artistic sense or passion toward write or producing or creative music they r more passionate about luxury brand deals and they look the happiest doing those brand events or going after parties they show passion and energy more than their own concerts
Also that's why they picked the 4 richest trainees so they can promote naturally the luxury image , and yeah like almost rich young girls they prefer this, never be tired of creating music or making choreography everything comes to them ready ? Why Would a rich person do hard work when they can hire people to do it??
at the peak time of 3d gen they really were pushing the ''feminist'' vibe cause the norm on the kpop gg, cause there were just two types of gg concepts that stuck were either girly/innocent like gfriend or girly girl crush like aoa/ioi/weki meki, and they came to the scene with new energy and unapologetically loud, then yg made them bland.
I think something most recent K-pop Fanta don’t know is that blackpink was created to replace 2ne1, YG looked at 2ne1s success and image and said, let’s replicate that but with “prettier” girls and so their debut sound was especially reflective of that, you can really see it with aityl. Blackpink was meant to be all that people loved about 2ne1 but with “prettier” girls…
Boombayah is not feminist. The choreo is a strip show. They're rubbing on each other, spreading their legs whilst saying 'I need a man' and 'oppa!' at the camera. Boombayah does not appeal to the female gaze. It's loud and bombastic but very sexual (in a male focused way) and the lyrics are not empowering.
@@luvrulz I was a huge 2ne1 fan, and always kind of thought Black Pink was a fresh and more youthful version of them. However, their latest releases seem to have taken away all of their edge and uniqueness. They're like 2ne1 if 2ne1 was boring and predictable.
Blackpink's defination of feminism is something that, "It will only be necessary for us to preach about it when it comes to us. Other than that, we are too rich and busy to singing about how we are not like other girls"
i'm just glad more and more people are realizing how toxic and harmful is to treat feminity as something bad or less empowering than being badass or whatever
Period but that's how ppl believe watch how ppl treat the more soft contestants in Singles Inferno e.g Soe, Suelki while badass feminine chicks (who are awesome) get praised like goddesses e.g. Nadine, Sejeong
The aspects of feminity such as being overly polite and "pure" yes it is harmful and were constructed so women wouldn't talk back, but if you're talking about clothes rather than those things yeah
@@ireneraqueticaa4450 I think being overly polite and "pure" is a trait of toxic feminity and not feminity. We generally talk about how there is toxic masculinity but people tend to put traits of toxic feminity into the feminity category. Thats why "feminists" usually degrade feminity.
Like someone can be polite but they can also stand up for themselves, etc.
@@BlueButterfly1134 I know, but that's what I'm saying, it's feminity but it's toxic because it's too extreme causing harm to whoever performs
@@himenyx153
Ill wait for the moment those men will be uncomfortable with other men putting spy cams ,oh wait...
25:39 Not related but Blinks saying that Momo copied Lisa for doing a pole dance is ridiculous especially if you take into account Solar did it way before Lisa. Loved the video and totally agree with your points. Blinks get on my nerve because they love saying how blinks and blackpink are what true feminists are without seeming to know what feminism is. Blinks constantly slut shame and put down other women and preach how boy group stans are misogynistic for simply liking male groups. Thinking about it there really isn't any fandom that gets along with blinks
Bffr They slutshamed lisa for doing a pole dance but when solar and momo did it nobody even said anything
@@huh5189 Bruh no they didn't. If anything your fandom has done it. And blinks are the ones who always starts a fanwar.
After School performed pole dancing before all of them.(10 years ago) So idk why everyone thinks they're special. I guess they all copied After School. If you watch After School's First love performance you'll see what I mean.
I can virtually guarantee you that 99% of Blackpink fans never said anything negative about Momo pole dancing. Just seeing a few comments by a few people who claim to be blinks is not a reasonable basis for branding an entire fandom. Onces and other groups' fandoms also include fans who go around insulting their rivals. It's hard to go watch any Lisa-related dance video that doesn't get a dozen Momo fans on there proclaiming that "Momo is better" even though the video literally has nothing to do with Momo.
One or two comments don't equal 100s of millions of us saying it wtf xD
You're one of the people who actually criticizes blackpink and call their songs/offensive actions out. Thank you for this
AND without saying anything stupid or disrespectful about blackpink or other idols. (Because a lot of ktubers do that and it annoys me)
@NeverlandXidle FRR, like if you wanna criticize, at least do it properly 💀
I do too and I get called a hater 😂
@@vvenuskook4170maybe your behaviour is not good?
And still many immature blinks are in this comment section bringing BTS in it because they want to make it into fanwar 💀👌
Oh this video nailed every fact. Blackpink fans always preach feminism but there is nothing “feminist” about this group. The lyrics are written by teddy oppar about how rich and pretty they are from other girls, definitely give the “im not like other girls” vibe. Not to mention the members decisions regarding their solo careers have been questionable
But not all blinks r feminists and think that BLACKPINK is making songs for feminism.
@@jisuanoniongoodbye not all blinks but always blinks like ALWAYS…..
I'm curious what you mean by the last line, are you talking about The Idol show or did you mean their solo songs?
they literally had that same line "im not like these other girls at all" in their typa girll bside, its disgusting lol
They sure aren't feminist but why r fans thinking BP has to be feminist type?
"I am the best and u guys r low" is very common theme in male grps. Listen to S-class, Jopping, Agust D and so many more and noone says it's demeaning to males.
Teddy gave them songs that he will give any boy grp.
I laugh at the double standard of fans.
It's weird fangirls don't think females don't have jealous and hv no superiority complex.
I am not fan of them neither I am fan of "I am the best" type of song. But I find it hypocritic when female fans get triggered over when only female idola r saying they r better. Like , u r all the time hyping those narcissist songs but hate when that come back to bite you ?! Lol.
Came to watch this video after seeing blinks on twitter be angry at it, kinda funny how you proved their point and how flaky their feminism is when it comes to anyone that isn’t a blackpink member
Blinks are hating on other female idols and slvtshaming them
And just because Jennie got hate for twerking
Litreally so disgusting
You kpop fans were calling blackpink jennie a whore and slut
@@wonychae672jennie is literally ALWAYS slutshamed by kpop fans.
@@eo0-g9j which is wrong
No idol should be slvtshamed neither Jennie nor any other female idols
But blinks shouldn't mass hate on other female idols just because Jennie got hate
Waterbomb festival is 19+ festival and many idols over there were hated and slvtshamed by blinks
@@eo0-g9j okayyyy? its wrong to slvtshame ANYONE just cuz Jennie was slvtshamed does that give blinks the right to slvtshame other artists?
I 100% agree with you. Especially with the end and how blinks blindly hate on female idols because of a similarity. Like for example Itzy getting hate because of similar outfits, when I would argue that Itzy’s music is more feminist than blackpinks. That shows that some blinks really don’t care about feminism, except when it’s in regards to their favs.
they really don’t care ab feminism only if it benefits them bc they’re watching the idol which is a disgusting show🤢
so Loco was about female improvement?
No but wannabe, not shy, icy are.
@@Sonyeonstan but BLACKPINK has also songs such as PV, Tally, 4D and HYLT, where is one of the main messages "Girls also can be powerful"
GIDLE is the best women empowerment group
K pop is weird now.Ppl are pulling gender cards everywhere and everything female idols do is empowering. Fans don't care if they go nude in public bcuz fans will say that's the confidence every girl want.I wish these girl groups talk more about girls' problems than flexing money.They should use their power fruitfully for the next generation.
Yeah I think a lot of it is honestly out of ignorance. They have a lot of international fans so I feel like a lot just assume blackpink is in control of their wardrobe, their choreography, the music they put out, they don't realize just how little control blackpink has over not just their own lives but their art as well. I just don't understand blackpink proven over and over again how talented did they are so I just don't understand why their label insists on micromanaging them.
I don't understand about the empowering parts because in the end these things are decided by male staff in the industry.
The 4 of them joined environment and climate changing protection advertisements meanwhile they r ambassadors for animal abuser brands
This the reason I don't like some gg stans they bash male groups for no reason and some bg stans are misogynistic despite being girls 🌚
I miss 2ne1
I honestly don’t care if they’re feminist or not. I just don’t wanna be called broke when I’m just trying to pay bills and live a good life.
Edit: Y’all, I promise it’s not that deep. Blackpink does NOT care about my opinion. I assure you both them and I are sleeping just fine while y’all argue. It’s okay to have an opinion different from yours. Good day ❤️
This^
also it just makes them sound like spoiled brats rather than girlboss when you consider the fact that all of them were already from rich families before they debuted.
amen.
yk no one’s forcing you to listen to them right
Then you don’t have to listen to their music 💀. There are many western artists that do the same thing, but we always eat it up with no problems
"i'm not like other girly girls" - lisa
their lyrics is just getting worse
it's funny because she is 💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@silv3ra it's not even lyrics, she literally said that in an interview, but yeah their lyrics too are very problematic, putting other women down or against each other
@@mvwmvw they literally also said it in typa girl: "im not like these other girls at all" i think it was jennie's line. if any of u want true feminist lyrics i recommend gidle nude, it has feminist lyrics. and also the outro of their recent comeback queencard.
@@Askoooooooooooooooo it was both lisa and jennie's line. lisa even says all these other girls on "uppercase shizz, that mean they all cap". Basically doing the "not like other girls" thing three whole times 😭😭
i dont mean to shade, but when jennie talked abt "breaking boundaries" in dua lipa's podcast, im just curious to know what 'boundaries' did she exactly break? is it participating in a show that romanticizes r4pe and normalizes drugs? lmao. jennie and blackpink as a whole has done NOTHING to break any boundaries, yeah im glad she spoke abt how kpop limits idols and also the misogyny in the industry. but please "breaking boundaries"?????? girl you did nothing.
@@Sonyeonstan actually i dont think they had a risky path, since the start they portray this concept of western freedom idea as “breaking the boundaries” , yg always pushed this image in publicity, thats why they made so much fame in us too
Some western people have this fetish of bringing ’betterment’ to other places, and what she said on that podcast cleared this thought i had for a long time, bp satisfy this role for them.
But this is just diminishing these cultures complexity, theres people really fighting and suffering the consequences of trying to turn their countries a better place, real world is not an utopia where someone clueless can save everyone with some unchecked convictions. Like why would the culture in question even give a damn they arent some type of godsends😂
I think she meant to say something like she does things other kpop idols won't dare to do??? Like starring in a controversial show that is explicitly sexual.
@@ErinaSato that would've worked if only that show isnt romanticizing rape and glorifying drugs
omg u hater
i’ve personally never viewed bp as an empowering or feminist group because they’ve done and said a lot of things throughout their career that completely contradicts what i would define as true advocates for woman. some examples would be that the majority of their songs are either about not needing a man for anything (despite their entire career being controlled by men) or about flaunting their wealth and being better than others, some of the members are constantly seen hanging out with multiple KNOWN SA abusers, jennie willingly associating herself with a show that idolizes straight up torture p*rn and r*pe of woman, etc. honestly jennie being in that show beyond disgusting and disappointing because how do you as a very popular female influencer and as a WOMAN agree to participate in a show like that?? she should be ashamed of herself. any respect that i had for her and for any other celebrity that had anything to do with that show is gone. but anyways blinks and kpop fans in general need to understand that just because these people are females it doesn’t automatically make them feminist. and stanning girl groups doesn’t automatically make you a feminist either.
jennie joined the show when it was directed by a woman and meant to be empowering for women. she also filmed her scenes with that director. then when sam levison joined he changed the storyline and cut out a lot of her scenes
Jennie was the perfect person to cast, especially since the show was named after her entire persona and career, hence the idol. However the problem was that the directors took the wrong turn with the show. It was suppose to expose the industry for exploiting female artists but somehow turned into grape fantasy, torture corn, manipulators, money hungry organizations and misogyny crammed into one shit show.
@@hershey4079 is there an actual legit source of this statement that’s easy to find or that you can link? because i would like to give her the benefit of the doubt, but i just find it very hard to believe that a show could go from empowering and uplifting women to doing a whole 180 and instead idolizing SA forced on women and the cast having zero awareness of it…
@@hershey4079 This video is saying that she was NOT on board, UNTIL the female director left, and Sam Levinson took over. He then decided he needed a big pop influencer to be on the show, to capitalised on their stans.
@@SoggyMuffin007 tbh any celebrity could have been casted because all celebs are viewed as people that are idolized in one way or another (if the show was actually about idols and not about fantasy torture p*rn). but i was already told that the show was supposed to take a different route but ended up being the way it is now for some reason. although i haven’t seen anyone say that or heard any news about it until now, i hope that what y’all are saying is true and i hope there’s a good explanation as to why they let the show still air.
It's not the failed issue of feminisim that's the matter, it's the lack of message this group has. Every other group has a brand/idea they stick with. I'm not a BTS fan but I know their message: love yourself. Twice: sticking together as one. Got7: define yourself, set your own standards. Itzy: all in us. Blackpink:?. It's only about being pretty, the best, elite, baddest etc. That's not a real message, there is not anything sustainable in that. That's why their music discography is the same since 2016.
@@Dgffggfgvyep after 2016 , their concept has been the SAME . nothing fresh or new .
To be fair, the songs they had in 2016 weren't even meant for bp originally. There were clips of 2ne1 recording the songs bp debuted with. Idk if these are still around, but I remember hearing those before bp debuted. After 2016, their songs felt different because those were actually written for them.
@@Dgffggfgvthe music sounds the same, dudududu literally has 2 versions (kill this love, how you like that). It’s the same message, same look and sound. Pink venom and shut down sound the same. The songs aren’t bad themselves but to have multiple of the same songs playing into the same sound/theme gets repetitive
Every group doesn't have to stick to an empowering message.
To be fair, BP has their brand which is being pretty, elite, the best yadayada.
I do agree it's a dumb direction if they call themselves empowering because they're NOT xd
But the thought that every group needs empowering message results in groups having this surface-level dumbed-down fake feminism. Exactly because of that, these managements thought "right, lets just throw 'i am me, i love me, me strong woman' line in every song" and call it empowering which is cringe.
I'd rather have groups that never mention about this narrative than dissociate with their songs so much that they sing something like "i love me and every part of me etc" but still partake in the industry that forces them to have plastic surgery and starve themselves to death :/
@@erasmus9511 Every group needs a message or something unique that lets me know what they are about. It doesn't need to be empowering but they need to have a motto or something that makes them, them. Blackpink doesn't have that, they come off as a brand (selling off a product) than a girl group. There's no unity, no sync, no idea of who they are as a group. I can get an idea of the character of some members (Lisa and JIsoo) while other members seem to project a certain image that is cultivated for them due to the label and fans (Rose and Jenny). And together it doesn't mix, there's no cohesiveness.
It's a problem if you don't have an identity as a group. Being elite and the baddest girl isn't what the group is truly about, it's really a marketing ploy by YG. Rose, Jisoo, and Lisa really don't play into that brand, showing it's not really their true color. But can pull off a performance to fit it. Many other companies may do the same, but at least those groups (The ones mentioned before), really are authentic and come off as a group. Sometime later in their careers, they got to be in charge and have a say. Twice is the best example.
Blackpink doesn't have that. It's not okay to be an artist making music that doesn't truly tell what you are about. This doesn't involve an empowering message, it's just about them. the elite brand isn't that.
I never thought BlackPink is promoted as a "feminist" girl group
Same but many fans seem to paint them in this way which is weird
@@larynadams1127 i definitely remember a lot of people talking about them and describing them as a girl empowerment group especially during DDDD and kill this love. Their branding was and still is definitely leaning into "I don't need a man girl boss feminism". Which was kind of having it's moment in the west when they debuted.
@mordecaiissad8529 That makes sense. That sucks tho since girl boss feminism is a really shallow version of feminist theroy. Hate that for them
@@mordecaiissad8529yeahh influence by the woke of west at that time
@stillwithyounevergetold7740 It didn't influence them enough considering the multiple cultural appropriation incidents they've had from debut to now. For the "indian" war call in Boombaya to the god-awful blaccent Lisa uses
Honestly blackpink never called themselves feminists, their fans project their ideas.
The whole concept of the group is about acting like spoiled rich women so fans can live through them, which is why Lisa is the most popular cause their ifans are mostly south east asians and thzy can project toward her better.
They either sing about how rich and hot they are, or how infatuated they are with a man.
blackpink has not mentioned themselves as feminists but YG has described them as feminists and empowering
Honey u got the Point Why YG picked the 4 richest trainees so they promote the luxury brand thing naturally??they even removed Miyeon Jinny and Hannah? Who r better rappers and singers
It's all about money and rich background if you know Løren?? He is exemple of YG being based on Rich background w Løren's family owns about 9,31 %of YG stocks Their company is called Naver , look for it is one of the richest companies in korea and Asia
yes while that is true, it’s yg and various media outlets who market them a femenist / women empowerment group. i kinda do see where that idea comes from because people tend to think women who act "badass", or sing/talk about being rich, having fun etc. equals promoting women empowerment-- but that's totally not what it should be at all. though i think there’s nothing wrong with fans projecting the life they want to live through idols (to certain extents of course), pop culture is based of fans projecting their ideals onto celebrities and/or idolizing what they do as the ideal way of living.
@@neha1709 very true
@@killingkura as far as I’m aware YG only ever marketed them as “girlcrush “ everyone else projects feminism onto them.
Yes I agree with this video. When I think of feminist groups, the ones that tend to come to my mind are Itzy, Mamamoo, and (G)I-dle. Blackpink, I never saw as a feminist group, but more of a badass group, kinda like 2ne1 or 4minute. You dont have to be a badass woman to be feminist.
True Gidle , BTS , Mamamoo are few groups who have songs that supports women.
@@binitakhatowal8140Nothing against BTS, but why are you mentioning them here, they were talking about girlgroups empowering other women
G(Idle) for me are the definition of a feminist groups
@@danaei3545 what she's saying is BTS being a boy group still has better empowering stuff for women
idle is peak feminism and I love it. theyre the only grp I stan
I think "The Idol" just ruins Jennie's k pop idol image (as if she wasn't already unnecessarily hated on by the k pop community for similar reasons) it's not about the show being R rated, but her promoting it and blinks- well yk 💀.
Idk this is just my opinion feel free to correct me!!
ykw idc about the kpop idol image persay, but, yes, that show ruins jennies image as a person. as a jennie fan, obv I know her to be a sweet loving woman with good character, but non fans won't view her like that. in fact they've been seeing her as the opposite. and this show just made things worse for her. I love her, but I'm sorry to say, she brought this on herself.
Yeah true. I don't think it will end her career but I really wish she picked another movie. I'm happy she is only getting a few lines, cause that movie is🤮
fr the idol is .... just bad show in general. jennie has a lot of potential as an actor, i know that she was most likely picked for the project because the general vibes and aesthetics of the show fit her brand/idol image (the aura she gives off as an idol, not her as a person) but this show really isnt it for her.
@@killingkura Yes! Jennie should have picked a better show.
@@killingkura that show had soooo much potential. Jennie had no control of her script so I do 100% blame the directors of the show.
Gidle's 90 ℅ of discography talks about women power...so someone edited a video about how gidle is the feminist girl group and all blinks on the comment section was like "how could you say that BLACKPINK is the best group"
they're great but not 90%, they're a feminist girl group because of certain songs (tomboy, nxde, allergy, queencard maybe lion). they sing more about love and there's nothing wrong with that
@@kvlqqnahat they mean is that, IDLE's songs are written by women. Themselves. Which leaves their songs to be more authentically feminist than anything. You don't have to always sing about female empowerment to be a feminist. Them producing their own songs and coming up with their own concepts is feminism on its own. Writing songs about love just portrays it as part of the human experience.
In an industry where women often get the short end of the stick, where their own companies don't treat them with respect, it's refreshing to see IDLE being one of the few gg's that find success with their own terms. Not because of what the company wants them to do.
Feminism isn't just a brand for IDLE. It's just who they are.
reminds me when i was scrolling on insta, i saw a reel talking about women empowerment or something and the comments were like "BP IS THE BEST WOMEN EMPOWERMENT AND FEMINIST GROUP!!!" lmaoaoao
"Im twerking on the runway" i dont wanna play this ping pong " "i would rather film a tiktok" this is their lyric💀
@@Lily-kl2cm well, seems like you haven’t listened to hwaa, omg, nxde, hann and by these songs soyeon has proven her worth as a writer. And you came here to say about their lyrics? So, did you listen to Mona Lisa kinda Lisa, taste that pink venom, I'm not like those other girls at all etc.?
the 3rd gen girls group who put themselves on the same pedestal as their fans: it's mamamoo, you won't like it but it's true, they're not complicated at all, they still have their heads on their shoulders after 9 years of career, and they are still energetic. They show and share their passion for music. They do everything to amuse the fans. They make music, not fuss, I find it a shame that people don't even try to get to know them. If it was that they were doing girlie things or songs with a chorus that didn't make sense they would be more popular. A lot of people judge them on their physique, especially Hwasa, but among the fans of the groups who criticize them, I'm sure that some are criticized on their physique, and that they are worse in real life. But because you dream of looking like the idols you find pretty and certainly you won't be able to look like them because the bar is very high, you take it out on others who have chosen to remain themselves and only show their skills. At least with the mamamoo we are close to reality and not to appearance.
I love them
They deserve the same amount of success that BP has...
That's what I've been saying this whole time..MAMAMOO should be the girl group but I feel like they didn't get as famous because they did something controversial at the beginning of their career or before they debuted....I don't really know when..
@@Spongebob_meboy yeah but blackpink too especially Jennie with N Word. unlike blackpink who were well formed at their beginning, this was not the case for mamamoo. They don't speak English and they just repeated without understanding the meaning. In addition, they apologized automatically as soon as the meaning of the word was explained to them. They wrote a handwritten letter apologizing and asking for help in educating themselves about racism. For me it's the agency's fault, they were really ignorant at the time.
Suddenly people even got excited for the traditional outfit that Hwasa wore during a television show when it is oufits for adjumah in Korea. They forgave Jennie but not Mamamoo and I find that unfair
@@claudismith8193 yeah but maybe Mamamoo didn't become as big because they are from a small company. YG and the groups there have always been controversial. Whether it came from their culture appropriation or music. Anyway, did Mamamoo say the N-word? I thought they just did that black face thing..
I used to love Jennie she was my bias but as I get older I realized she is a lot like the Kardashian/Jenner family. By marketing her as the cool girl every girl want to be and every guy wants and I don’t know if that’s really who she is but as she becomes more independent it’s becoming obvious that she is just here for the money. There is nothing wrong with this like girl get your bag buy cute things go out like I’m rooting for you. The problem is that girls idolize her because she is a empty shell just like Kyle and Kendal they have no personality outside of their image of being rich and famous and that’s why they don’t stand behind any moral or do anything that will destroy that image.
I’m aware that this is probably YGs doing but looking at the people she is friends with it obvious it’s not that far from the truth so her supporting the idol isn’t a shock.
Damn you ate that👏🏾
I’m getting the same vibes
All the members give me this vib expect jisoo
@@lavienrosewon8811 I think rosé is pretty chill
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YOU ARE SO ON POINT!
As a 56 year old woman who has championed equality of opportunity and choice for women, alongside feminism, I have never got my head around why this group is so popular among young females. The branding and packaging goes against feminist principles as well as the idea of women supporting women. I also find is surprising that they are supposedly not branded towards a male audience as everything they wear, do and say screams 'hello boys!' The fact that they are presented in clothes that most young fans could only dream of looking good in is also problematic as it adds to the same unrealistic images that women see all around them. I sometimes see comments to videos by their fans and I am mystified how there are still so many females who are being taken advantage of by the patriarchy but who will hate you if you point it out - or flat out refuse to believe you.
However, I have to disagree with the clothing point as their fashion is their choice and for the most part a huge part of their brand and expression and not necessarily something to put on for men.
The body positivity point applies to the entire entertainment industry and not just Blackpink.
@@Sonyeonstan There is no way they have freedom on what to wear or how to look in an industry that sells body image. They don't say it so we won't think "they appeal male gaze" or "sexualized by company".
It's ok to not be feminist but it's not an excuse to be misogynistic
"not branded towards a male audience as everything they wear, do and say screams 'hello boys!' " HAHAHA
@@waitwhat55 i agree with the fact that most idols don’t have total freedom of their fashion choice, but what they wear off-stage or during public appearances is up to them to certain extents.
I REALLY hope a lot of people see this comment: Blackpink is a perfect example of corporate feminism/performative feminism. Just because a group is fully female does not mean it’s going to be progressive. In fact, it’s very common for a lot of women to not take feminism seriously even though the movement could benefit them most. Blackpink could see it as just an accessory. It’s the fault of YG at the end of the day but I just wanted to put that fact out there.
Wait but like where did YG ever mention that blackpink was a feminist group??? Their marketing strategy has nothing to do with feminism and the girls never said that they’re femininsts?? Also, their lyrics aren’t about female empowerment and if they are can you tell me which one’s are??
I had no idea they were feminist
@@DoeFoot because they arent and thats the funny thing, you cant put a label on someone you dont know and get mad when they arent what you branded them as..
No cuz like the stans would go on defending Jennie after SHE HERSELF made the choice to follow Sam Levinson (sorry if I got the name wrong) and be in that misogynist show, which counters her WHOLE career and what she and her petty little group are trying to sell. And also, fans need to grow up and stop overshadowing the truth by simply implying ‘the company made this choice for her’ NO! She’s not their puppet. If she actually was being forced by the company (and tbh if she was a better person with better thinking abilities) to read the script she would’ve seen the absolute horror they’ve written. Idc what anyone says, this problematic behaviour was Jennie’s choice even after knowing she has a “feminist” image in front of the world.
@@emd1646 Even if she never said she was a feminist (which let me remind you YG made BLACKPINK as a feminist group. Black being the tough side and pink being the more feminine side.) she should’ve rejected the script after seeing the horrifying romanticising of DV. Just because her friend’s boyfriend is in that show doesn’t mean she will act in it too.
@@emd1646 Jennie is a woman, who is in a group with other women, and has majority female audience who got her the fame and money she has today. Yet she went on a TV show that degrades and disrespects women (on screen and off screen due to the female producers being fired just for writing the show in a female perspective).
Doesn't matter if she's a feminist or not. She doesn't care about women - this just shows Jennie to be a terrible person. She needs to apologise to her female fans. If she doesn't, they should leave her. I know this sounds harsh but people need to be more careful about the type of person they dedicate their time and money to, and if they match their own values and morals.
Some people are saying that they changed the script of the show they changed the script, she could have taken this further by refusing to do the new script (and possibly go to court) because she would have the original script and show the new one is different the one she agreed to.
ISTG. kpop fans once again proving that they can't think for themselves.
Not a single complaint about this video until everglow-up made a video talking about this subject. Instead of just pointing her to the video or giving constructive criticism they immediately went to type rude comments. No-one even added anything to the conversation, they were just repeating the points like parrots acting as if it was their own opinion that they came to themselves.
Yall are fans of a k-tuber that is constantly talking in her video's on how k-pop fans can't think for themselves and just follow a mob mentality, just for yall to do the same thing. most people from her video didn't come here to give constructive criticism but just for the drama and to spread some hate.
I am an everglow-up regular watcher because i like her takes on bullying accusations as she is one of the only ones to do some propper research before making a video about it. She also has some good video's on stage presence. but she's not perfect as she stated herself in her video and is capable of making mistakes. I've noticed a lot of people seem to think that just because she has some good video's with good arguments that have facts and evidence to support them that all her takes are automatically like that.
They are simply not. often she does the right thing and adds that it is just an opinion. but often she also just doesn't and says stuff phrasing it as a fact even though it is just her opinion. Which i remember her complaining about as well in one of her previous video's.
To conclude: stop this mindless monkey behavior, we're evolved way past that point. Try having your own opinions and thoughts for once.
This. Just because you're a fan of someone doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say. Even tho I am more on Everglow-up side for this, that doesn't mean I agree with everything she said, and that I disagree with all points Sonyeonstan made.
I've got to say through that I genuinely didn't know about this video before EGU made her video, and I guess it was the same for many other folks too. I mean, 100K views is a lot, I'm not gonna claim it is not, but with a group that archieves up to 2.4 Billion views on their MVs, you can't expect the majority to know about the video. So yeah, obviously, when another K-Tuber does a video about your 100K views video, a lot of new people will come over and engage with it.
I'm purposefully saying engage, because I don't deny that there are certainly people here with a mob mentality or not deeming it neccessary to watch the full original video, but I also won't claim that there aren't people who genuinely went here, watched the video, formed their own opinions and then commented those and they just so happened to allign with what EGU said, for the most part.
I mean, I'm actually one of these people. I actually also agree with a few points the SonyeonStan makes, like the things she says about fans defending Jennie for being on "The Idol" and articles painting BP as feminist icons being obviously wrong, but I also think that the video stands on shaky legs when SY-Stan's only arguement for BP marketing themselves as "feminist" is their concept which was never sold as feminist, but honestly just comes down to "Girls rapping and doing Hip-Hop (adjacent) music". Add to that the fact that the only things I agree with said in the video have nothing to do with the point SY-Stan is trying to make and you've me disagreeing with the video.
I get the point you're trying to make, but assuming that people only criticize this because EGU did and not because they genuinely found the video problematic and only found out about it via EGU is kind of counter-productive too, because, in the end, you're questioning the possibility of people genuinely sharing EGU's opinion on their own.
@@nick3805 I was talking about the people that came here after everglow-up's video. you can see that on the time they commented. those who commented before that and shared a similar critique are obviously valid. it's just that it's noticeable that many didn't even bother watching the video or give constructive criticism and just commented whatever everglow-up said in her video, those commenters are the ones I was talking about.
Blackpink is not about feminism. They’d been passive about everything in their career to men in their 40s. Hardly anything they do is about empowering women, other than that badass barbie doll attitude which apparently does it to some? And their fans know nothing about feminism either. Blinks are extremely misogynistic to every female idols that are competing with blackpink for rankings or awards. They harassed many girlgroups unprovoked to the point labels had to turn off the comments. They scream misogyny over anybody saying stuff like “the song is boring”. They are a whole circus sometimes.
U do know all K-pop fans do that to other groups not just blinks
@@KevenSylvain-wr1lbok.......but we're talking about Blackpink right now not any other girl group
The actual feminist group that i know in kpop is my queens Mamamoo. Their lyrics are empowering regarding their stand in a relationship or their life , they dont flex having money or beauty standards, they talk about over criticism of females in the industry, all of them have their own style of music and wardrobe, which they do according to their own level of comfortableness and not according to industry standards, and above all knows about music and writing.
wdc abt nugus
@@pilqaarhow relevant, empowering and feministic your comment is! Well done for complementing the message in the vid
@@happypeeingdoyoung 🤨🤨
@@pilqaar it's called sarcasm🙄
(G) I-dle?
Blackpink has literally no connection with feminism ...the whole concept the song everything ...is marketing ....yg and the producers did the job what they are meant to ....yg chose to release the songs which he thought would make more profit ......blackpink unlike other groups aren't trying to have a strong concept ...till this date blackpink is the most controlled group so every step taken by them is planned ... They just have a concept cuz it's necessary ..... Literally everything about blackpink is marketing ...it's always the delulu fans who says stupid stuffs
All women have a connection to feminism because it’s an ideology about women. Regardless of whether Blackpink call themselves feminist, feminism is the framework in which they exist. They can be criticized in that framework. As you said, their image is tightly controlled. YG deliberately portrays Blackpink as a girlboss group on the surface because it is what has made them successful, especially in the West.
@@lornam1142 yes all women have a connection with feminism directly or indirectly however the reason Blackpink is getting bashed because of their flawed feminism which is basically business . So I think it's baseless to hate blackpink if you wanna hate hate the producers
Very very true !! 😅 I feel like their fans are ready to support anything they give at this point . Like put your morals above kpop
@@norabeckwith6893 I know that but I don't think I would worshipping someone who is ready to act in rape fantasy 🙂 atleast my morals don't allow me idk bout others
@@norabeckwith6893 women ? Me myself being women why would I blame other women without their mistake 🫠 likeee c'mon don't be a sexist if someone is doing wrong we should not encourage even if it's men or women
@𝖜𝖒𝖒𝖆𝖕 true this is not against Jennie , her scripts are her choices but this is embarassing from her fans only
I'm a ex-blink, I've been seeing this group for a long time. I've known them since rose wasn't blond. I stanned them bc they looked so talented and dedicated towards their career as idols, they performed so well! Rookie BlackPink was so cool, their songs were so catchy and just addictive asf!
But let's ve honest, almost every BLINK thought it's a shame that they didn't make a single one of those songs.. all of it were made by a misogynist, racist men. Teddy. (I'm sorry but I never liked that guy, sure he makes catchy music but he is not a good person. )
There used to be a rumour that Jennie wrote a whole book worth of self-written and self-produced songs but YG stole it and are forcing pinks to only sing songs they want them to sing. I really didn't believe it but I as a fan had to say something to defend my idols.
I still believed BP are these 4 beautiful best friends who just love singing dancing rapping and they care about their fans very much. But while they were on hiatus.. many of my BLINK friends of that time and I realised it was all bs. My realisation point was when Jennie came live ones and said her network is slow so she'll comeback when it's working properly (it was working pretty well, but whatever I guess maybe she was busy wdk) and then she never came live for YEARS... The next BlackPink lives were the ones we had to pay to watch. It really made me sad.
I even forgot about who BlackPink was painted to be by YG, since most of the time in their career they were busy with resting and posing infront of cameras.
After 2 whole years they comeback with all these "I'm not like these other girls at all" type of bs. The way they only changed that line only for locals at Coachella but not when they were at their own concert just showed how they genuinely do not care about their fangirls. And now Jennie is very "excited and happy" to act in a rpe fantasy amarican drama :/
Back then I used to ignore the lyrics and just vibe with it, but with their new songs.. it's not the same anymore. I heard their new song the first time and I find their songs and their voice very annoying, even when i hear their old songs that i used to love.. i just skip it. It was hard to face that i am not their fan anymore, infact i dislike them. It's frustrating to me bc I used to love them so much.. I loved them more than any group I've ever known. The fandom used to be so friendly and chilled, like u won't believe it when i say the fandom we were on best terms with were ARMYs.. it all fell down since some guy who just discovered bp decided to make rpe and d3ath jokes on BTS and their families. I remember asking them to delete but in return those men who are 'blinks' called me racial and misogynist slurs instead.
'BLINK" used to be a female dominating untill 2017s.. idk what happened but all these gay/white/men ruined it all. I hate how badly it all went downhills.
same, i used to think armys were just mad and said blackpink didn’t love blinks bc they’re “the worst fandom ever” but when i started to lose interest in blackpink i realized it wasn’t like that, now i stan groups that even when they’re tired as hell they go live just to greet their fans and stay HOURS live, that’s true love, also the fact that a group with such a big fandom like blackpink is doesn’t have ONE song for their fans also made me a little sad
@@Hopingforkootoalwaysbehappy yeah, jennie told that story but she never mentioned that “yg stole my book” that’s why the author of the comment said that it was a rumour, she might as well just really lost it. And btw nobody is stopping her from just rewriting something that she remembered… she worked on those songs herself there’s no way she just forgot EVERYTHING.
And other idols read all of this shit on their lives too but they still understand thar the majority of the viewers are the ones who love them and they do it for them. They can just not read those comments, nobody is forcing them to do it, they could just sit and talk about something for 10-20 minutes once a YEAR and blinks would lose their shit because of happiness, they would be thankful even for that little piece of interaction. Why is it so hard to accept that your idols really don’t give a shit about you….
@@Hopingforkootoalwaysbehappy Op literally typed half of the bible for a group she doesn't even stan anymore. And here you are calling her out indirectly, sarcastically saying "ex blink" and then implying those weren't rumors, jennie did write the book when op never said she didn't. Op just said "yg stole it" could be a rumor. Get a grip smh.
yeah, i understand you. I don't even like the bp songs anymore, they aren't like the first ones. I'm here just bc of Jisoo, Lisa and Rosé bc Jennie last actions made me very disgusted. i hope one day they go back what they were. :(
Deadass there a dude on yt screaming "blavkpink sav3d my life" and being toxic af. You can find him looking up "defending blackpink" guy w a cap in the thumbnail. Like hes so pressed and aggressive. Clearly has issues
This is actually something that I hav been trying to say since 2018. As much as I love them to bunches. Their branding is extremely hypocritical and contradicts all they actually end up doing.
What is their branding?
Their lyrics literally scream pick me behavior. Not building women but tearing them down to appeal to men. Literally the definition of the word is black pink in a nutshell. I’m not like other girls in group form and the fact that they’re okay singing this seeing that it’s just downright wrong. They sing about me me me and being so rich and hot and popular while other girls wanna compare and guys shouldn’t even bother with them. Like what the fuck
Agree me and my friends was just talk about we find it hard to Stan girl group bc they scream pick me behavior
they mostly do self-hype songs. i don’t see how bragging about themselves is someone ‘pick me’ behavior. the only song i can think of where they even put anyone down in ‘typa girl’ with that one line. the others song are mostly them talking about themselves.
@goldensquirrel97 Bragging is a form of pick-me behaviour. It doesn't have to be stated outright, but you can generally tell that it is in fact pick me! "Pick me because I'm an ambassador of so-and-so and because I'm rich, skinny, pretty and not like these other girls!"
@@goldenchipmunk almost every song is full of them talking about things they have and how other other girls shouldn’t even try or that the guy shouldn’t bother with other girls cause their not like them. That’s a literal pick me. Them talking about them selves and all the things that make them the top choice is being a pick me. It’s not like XGs girl game where they’re hyping women up and talking about everyone being queens and there being a female empire. Bp talks down on women not fortunate enough which is why most of their younger and impressionable fans go out of their way to talk down on people for their looks and how poor we are and could never be or compare to their faves
BLACKPINK based
A friend of mine also pointed out that they sell that badass powerful women image but they are overworked and borderline exploited, so there is a disconnect. I totally agree with that point and want to add that their outfits are 100% for the male gaze and they often look uncomfortable
I feel like that’s not on the girls and completely on YG. I don’t know, it felt like they gave more freedom to 2ne1, or maybe it’s the fans that make it seem like bp are imprisoned
@@Sonyeonstan i have little proof for this but i truly dont believe that bp is enslaved to yg and has no control over their career at all. especially where they're at right now, i believe they could change things if they wanted to. i also do think their outfits are often but not always, made for the male gaze, however as far as im aware the girls choose their own outfits.
@@ajlee2168 Same here because if they were when their contract came up for renewal I'm sure they would have refused it and been making quiet overtones to other Companies to to join.
Kpop idols bragging/flexing about being rich is generally ironic. Rich people don't have to work hard and rich people are much more free than the average person. Yes, fame makes people less free but if you think about Western rappers for example: They can take drugs and get tattoos on their face without seriously endangering their careers.
@@eileencritchley4630 exactly!
In a world where
MAMAMOO exists, I don't
even bother with
other girl groups.
@@geebokxoso what
@@geebokxo so?
Babe they're flops
@@doremirse9950lmao they are racist
@@geebokxo
You're SO sad. Well, typical
BLINKS. Here's a happy pill. 💊
Take IT and live well. Okay?
What's funny is that their fans will respond to these criticisms not by addressing or debunking them but by claiming that neither the group or their fans are feminists, seemingly without a hint of self-awareness. The fact that women are so comfortable shamelessly bragging about not being feminist in defence of a celebrity brand only proves how toxic & unempowering it is.
OH MY GOD EXACTLY. Firstly, not them proudly stating they're not feminists and then thinking not bing a feminist means you can just put down women left and right
@@Sonyeonstan I understand that but Blackpink never were promoted as a feminist group
@@evelynchaparro5134You've just completely missed the point.
Ye like why do they think claming NOT to be a feminist is a checkmate moment..nah bro you just self-reported 💀
@@evelynchaparro5134 How small should your head be for the comment to COMPLETELY fly over it💀 You quite literally just proved the point they made.
saw blinks getting mad at this on twitter and I had to check it out. You did amazing ❤️
@@daisyosawaru3979 yes
truth hurts lol
Whatever makes them mad is most likely amazing.
I love Blackpink a lot 😢😢😢
You are currently on a viral twitter thread as a blackpink hater made by an obsessed stan. these people act like they are in a cult and its so weird
it literally is a cult atp
Actually a more realistic cult than the one shown in "The Idol" 🤭
kpop stans in general. do you have the link for it? i wanna have a good laugh
I don't agree with this video and the creator's opinions completely, but being real, it's not COMPLETELY off. And instead of insulting the creator, everyone who came from everglow up's video just now, please be respectful my dudes.
Everyone needs to stop blaming the company , they maybe under contract but definitely they have a say in what they are doing at this point in their career.
I mean I do agree that passing everything off to the company is not the right thing to do but they are also majorly at fault
@@SonyeonstanThat said company created them and their share is 50% way more share than other companies. Do they have to be feminist for you to like them? If those men did not discover them they would not be a blackpink
I believe that over the past seven years since their debut, there may have been a circle of actions and consequences. If YG tried to control and present the brand in a certain way, and if the members did not try at all to shift it or even have a say in it, then everyone would have gotten used to it. When you think about it, why would the members try to take back the narrative in their own hands if all seems to go well for them? They have a loyal and rather big fanbase who doesn't seem to find anything wrong with the branding and the message (and are willing to fight teeth and nails against any attempt at critical thinking or debates around the messages/lyrics), the company is getting a lot of money and fame around the world, and the members themselves are able to get what they want out of it.
As they are currently discussing the renewal of their contracts (from what I have seen around), and seem to clearly have the upper hand, I guess they could throw their weight around and try to influence their brand. They could have even already done so (I am of the opinion that no grand gesture is necessary if small actions in passing can be done to propel their message) but did not decide to do it.
Therefore, the company was very probably behind everything since the beginning, and the members went with it. Even when the power balance progressively shifted, it appeared to be clear that everyone was satisfied...
I guess if any other group had the same behavior as them people would jump on their necks, meanwhile, they do questionable things in the name of "feminism" and their fans take it. We should probably see more international fans speaking on the matter as many inter fans are woman but it looks like they are blinded and no matter what people say they won't take it.
@@joythinker739 u didn't watched the video I guess becoz she never said bp said or anything she just pointed out the wrong thing like there fans and articles claim that they are empowering women when it's not. It's all about there brand that there fans scream that they endorse which infact they don't.
You mean like the way that people in this comment section are jumping on their necks? lol.
The problem started with their fans and how they would gaslight all of us to believe that Blackpink are a women empowerment group which is far from the case. And their fans use the dumbest excuse for everything, it’s 2023 now and I still see blinks using Jennies ankle as a scapegoat for any minor inconvenience.
But honestly the group in general have nothing to offer, sure they’ve had some hit songs but that’s about it. They give more effort into Coachella and going to fashion shows then they do with their actual performances, the only time you really see them preforming well is if they are doing it in America other then that 🤷🏾♀️
The Idol wasn't the only controversial show....remember Snowdrop? The show that was right wing propaganda about the democratic movement in Korea? Blinks defended Jisoo's participation in that show as well despite Koreans calling it out for being conservative revisionism. This was made worse by the fact that Jisoo was marketed as the "bookworm" and "lover of history" over the years.
did you know anything about Snowdrop controverrsial?
I get what you're saying but that has nothing to do with the topic of feminism lol
The controversy was a whole bunch of lie and hate towards jisoo because the allegations were proven fake by the south korean gov themselves so please and it has nothing to do with feminism
bullshit.
Snowdrop actually humanized and showed the perspective of the left leaning students in south korea protesting for better rights and even the communist soldiers from north korea despite them being persecuted by the south Korean fascist, dictatorial government. you're talking shit if anything it's the opposite.
The audacity of toxic blinks to yet justify dat blackpink songs are about confidence while it's abt shattering other women confidence for uplifting self which is naricissm
what songs shatter other women? the one line in typa girl? 🤔 if anything all their bigger songs are self-hype, flex and filled with them bragging. don’t run with the narrative that they put down other women when it’s not the case. you can say they boast too much and i would agree but not with the misogyny take.
@@goldenchipmunk I never said blackpink themselves personally brings other woman down , But there song influences youth and gives a wrong idea of feminism...
If they are that influential anything can happen , then our youth will perceive confidence as naricissm and pretty as "skinny"..
i stumbled upon your channel by accident, but thank you for summarizing something i've been thinking about for a long time, but was too scared to publish anywhere online because of all the toxic fans....a really well-put together video
Agreed , I do not understand how their fandom supports such branding of the girls like what 😶🤐
Yeah...
Blinks will blindly support anything as long as it involves BP
It’s mostly gay men which makes up the majority of the fandom. And they certainly have a mean “Regina George” streak in them
Bcz they love them
@@elsak2202 that’s not love, it’s obsession
I literally came from Twitter thinking it was going to be a hate video, but I was surprised by this review... I really thought Jennie had signed the contract for "the Idol" before Sam Levinson... bc under every video that criticize that program her fans defend her by saying she was hired when the other female director was there. How is it possible that such a large group of people can spread false news over and over again, what a world we live in.
That is how blinks always have been/are
another problem is definitely their fat shaming. not only their fans do it a lot, also some of their lyrics are implying it.
Tell me when did they fatshame💀?
@@huh5189 calm down
@@huh5189they dont need to explicitly say it to make young girls feel shitty about themselves, which they are absolutely doing. 'born skinny bitch' might sound good for lisa but for young fans who weren't born skinny it causes insecurities to grow and breeds shame for yourself.
'look at you now look at me - we're wearing the same but i look better than you.' come on.
blackpink is all over ed tumblr.
@@docowsmeow they said nothing bfr
they NEVER fatshamed
the only line referring to weight in their songs is in pretty savage when lisa said "born skinny bish" NOW tell me how is it fatshaming?? they literally keep getting called anorexic since their debut and when they clap back they're the bad guys??? this whole video and comment section is just bs..being mad at some girls you don't even know just because they're successful is pure misogyny but y'all wanna play the feminism card just cuz they talk about men in their songs.. HYPOCRITES
I am a huge blink and I definitely agree. Their branding is super flawed but I still love them and their music + I saw them live and they’re good performers!
Exactly! Thank you for being able to differentiate between the girls and the branding!
Same recently saw them live I love them sm
I know exactly what you mean. My intelligent brain tells me that I shouldn't listen to gangsta rap because it is degrading to women..... my musical brain say 'but it's just so gooooooood'🤣
U aren't LMAOO don't lie
@@bubblejam9546 Yes I am? 😭 Why would I even see them live if I don’t like them…
seen twitter blinks hating on this video and had to check it out from an unbiased standpoint, but after watching it i don’t see what they’re so mad about because everything that was said is true when you really think deeply about it. though correct me if i’m wrong but i don’t think blackpink have ever verbally labeled themselves as feminist or representatives for females? so when criticizing their branding, i think the majority of the blame should be placed on their fandom and their company. yg uses so much media play to boost bp’s image of the picture perfect girl group and then you have blinks piggybacking off of that and claiming that bp are empowering or feminist just because they’re pretty and have money (tbh i don’t think blinks even know the definition of feminism). not to mention that a lot of them are a bunch of performative feminist themselves. and i find it very ironic that blinks say that bp’s lyrics are meant to uplift women, yet a lot of their music caters to those of the male species; specifically gay men. the same gay men that go around saying and wishing the most vile things on other women and people in general while hiding behind a pfp of a bp member just to live out their wannabe internet mean girl personas and no one in that fandom ever calls them out on it because truth is feminism starts and ends with their faves and that’s it.
It is actually based on the company (articles that claim that there music is empowering women), blinks that say they are a grp that encourage women when bp themselves have never said or done anything like that. So this video perspective was solely based on the brand that everyone thinks they cater but they don't.
I saw a lot of blinks defending this as "yg doesn't let them write their own songs". YG not letting bp write their own songs is a myth. BP cowrote some of their songs+ most yg artists write& compose,, bp being involved in songwriting process is a good marketing tool that yg wouldn't miss the opportunity to profit from.
i'm not saying that their image&brand isn't controled by yg, i'm sure it is, but bp isn't as powerless as blinks are often making them out to be. they just don't want to change smth that is making them money
theres another thing a lot of people dont consider. not everyone wants to write or compose, some just aren't interested in it. others might want to but just aren't good enough so their writing wont make it into the final version. i mean this with no ill intent, but i dont see lisa for example genuinely wanting to sit down and write a whole verse for herself or for the other members. this assumption that 'if they were allowed to' theyd totally crush it, is so odd to me. they already have contributed to their songs (very little but still) so obviously they are allowed to at least make suggestions. they might just not be good at it, or have any interest in it.
"is a myth" please they did the same thing to 2NE1 cl had to fight for it jennie and rosè having a whole notebook but yg not allowing it yeah we get it
@@ajlee2168 yeah, i agree 100%.
it's also odd how blinks run to point out each contribution, like jisoo& jennie being involved in lovesick girls, jennie writing her rap for tour performance of solo, them picking out songs they will perform for solo performances, lisa having creative input for her solo mvs ...but then turn around and say pinks are literally never allowed to participate & are contolled by their company 24/7. maybe they just don't/didn't want to or aren't good at it, there's no shame in that...also both lisa and jennie have their own youtube channels, if yg doesn't want them to have any freedom why would they even let them open em. if girls want to give their fans extra content they obviously can. + they are also allowed to do most things that are actually " forbidden by the company", such as have tattoos, go drinking & partying... but you're telling me yg is adamant on not letting them ...write their own songs? contribute artistically? literally save company resources? ok, sure👀
@@roxystan6112 the rumor that jennie had a notebook full of songs is a thing made up by blinks. never have we heard jennie or the company say anything like that; it's made up by fandom.also , have you considered that IF she pitched a song to yg, the sing could have been rejected because it's bad? they let her& jisoo write part of lovesick girls& her solo rap for tour & she has another writing credit (i don't remember for which song); so if company doesn't want them to write their own songs, why are they letting them write lyrics for their songs?
@@roxystan6112 the notebook thing literally has no source.
As long as they are not participating in the song making, their song should not be called female empowerment or feminism.
Because the important part about these two is that a women speaks for herself and if they are not working creating it, nobody knows if they even stand behind what they sing and therefore can never count as empowering, because they just sing what a man told them to sing.
Edit: for the peoples who do not get it, if they write their own songs, it also should have an empowering and feminist message, just talking about how rich and how much better they are is not empowering or feminist. I thought everybody would know it since I wrote it under a video about feminism, but apparently not.
Exactly specially for rappers
Lisa literally said i m OG in D4 English rap version
If Teddy wrote he is OG in YG and kpop but not her or them
Oh god, I never even thought of that - you make an excellent point.
They have already participated in song writing they are under yg. Dont u see idols suing their companies left and right nowdays? They have rules
@@Mimikoko-j5f just read my edit, maybe it helps to understand my point better and if not you can just ask and I will elaborate on it :)
I'll just drop this here 2ne1, Mamamoo, Gidle does way better female empowerment concept than BP. They aren't just about I'm rich and I've got money
Oh yeah, GIDLE's Queencard is the epitome of feminism. Shut up, you can criticize them for the exact same things Blackpink does
@@hkokooNot really lol but sure.
@@hkokoo queencard is literally more empowering for women than blackpinks entire discography. In the outro the lyrics literally go "a girl wearing whatever she wants, queencard" "thick or thin queencard no matter what" "a girl full of confidence, queencard" meanwhile lisa brags about being born skinny as if that makes her somehow better than other girls. I mean they literally said it in the lyrics right? Typa girl: "im not like these other girls at all". lol meanwhile soyeon wrote nude, feminist anthem for womens sexual liberation.
something i think could also be a topic is the hate Jimin has received from blinks being rooted in misogyny and homophobia even though they always say armys are misogynistic when their girlies get called out.
no because he already gets enough hate. i think its better she didnt add him in the video. theyre already going crazy on twt
Omg I saw that twt too and honestly I 100% agree
Agree.The way they attack jimin bcuz of his body and nature is so annoying and toxic.
right. the amount of homophobic and transphobic shit I see blinks direct at jimin is crazy, I actually started to screeshot them and will create a video about it someday
Yess ! There should be another video of it
They hate him for being feminine as they view femininity as weak.
I really liked BP in 2016 when they debuted. Whistle, Boombayah, Playing with Fire were on repeat for me. I was new to k-pop so everything BP did seemed new and unique. As my exposure to k-pop grew, it became apparent BP weren't doing anything new and there were hundreds of other groups just as talented, but BP were still amazing in their own right. The problem for me was with each new song, there was nothing of themselves to be found. That seemed to be common for other groups who didn't write/produce/compose. But when a group has so many love songs or breakup songs that heavily rely on generic and recycled lyrics, and it's a group of young women whose off-stage personalities seem to clash with those lyrics... it became uncomfortable for me to listen to songs that were clearly written by middle aged men being sung by very young women dancing "sexily". What's the opposite of empowerment? That. It felt like that.
So I just sort of stopped paying attention to BP. It did seem a little unfair how much fanfare they continued to receive for music they didn't create versus numerous groups that were just as talented and actually created the music were being overshadowed, but that's kind of how the industry has always been. Unfair. And BP didn't design the industry to be that way, so that's not their fault.
When BP released Ice Cream, my neutrality became anger and disgust. The lyrics paired with that MV were appalling. The male gaze and infantilization of women... Anyone that participated in the creation of that MV should be ashamed or investigated as a possible pedophile. I know BP didn't have a say in the concepts, but at a certain point it's hard to not blame an artist when their name and face is on it.
Fr, once u get into loona you unstan bp immediately
I love Blackpink u all are just haters 😢😢😢😢😢
@@SkyFWWOwhat loona 😢😢
i find it hilarious that people stormed here after the everglow-up video, just repeating what she said in her video. maybe you do genuinely just share her opinions which is fine, but some people literally just copy word for word what she said and it sounds like forcing outrage.
this video isnt perfect (theres a vid about blackpinks image/ femininty by 'wandering thoughts' that i thought was more nuanced, they have similar thumbnails which confused me when this vid came out lol) but neither was everglow-ups imo, but im not directing this to either creator, more so just towards kpop stans jumping on every complain-train possible and just repeating the same complaints/ comments that they've seen some yter make for them, but not adding much to the conversation with their own words.
this was expected. Just as when the creator of this video published her opinion, there were people who agreed and people who just wanted to take the opportunity to hate on bp like i've seen comments such as "stanning bp rots ur brain" and whatnot. the moment i saw everglow-up's video, ik this discussion was gonna reopen(tho from the comments it seems like it was already ongoing)and people who genuinely share her opinion and haters were gonna come on here.
@@sam4drita yeah definitely this reaction (from both sides) isn't uncommon at all, but observing it happening is still always so absurd to me, its both hilarious and sad to watch
Sonyeonstan was not wrong the only problem she used the word " branding " .
And yes Wandering thoughts is a fantastic video
She explains everything well and uses the correct words .
Oh maaaan is Wandering thoughts still active? Would love to see Everglow-up try to take that video on, it was so good.
I agree with this. When I saw Blackpink, I thought they were abount women empowerment but oh boy I read their lyrics is about putting women down and flex their money, luxury brand and fashion and “I’m not like the other other girls”. I felt is internalised misogynistic. I expect a lot from this group who many claims to be one of top girl group in the world. But, their songs preach rubs me in wrong way. And BP is, in my opinion, not a right role model for many fans are who young and impressionable
Ur comment is dumber than most of the comments i’v read. You have such a backward mindset, employ critical thinking next time…if what u get out of blackpink songs is misogynistic, u need help. Why can’t they sing about flexing their wealth? Men do it all the time, u take their lyrics out of context to try to make a pathetic point. When did they put down other women?
who said it was Feminism anyway..
2ne1 is a better example of girl crush. They promoted individually much better.
the worst example.
Blackpink were never branded as a feminist group they were branded as a " pretty version of 2ne1" which is pretty + badass. If they were feminist group they would not survive in Korea.
G idle is a pretty feminist group and they're doing just fine 🤷♀️
Then how Korean men are singing " a women who is confident, be thick or thin is queencard "
@@_oninim_lmao is this a joke
@@_oninim_ g idle is not a feminist group nor mamamoo is , again the fans calling them as feminists
@abdullahshakeel4279 girl, yes they are and many ppl refer to them as feminist groups, let me ask you then, what do you think a feminist group is or looks like
To be honest ,one of my old friend(blink) tried to make me join that fandom but I was clearly uninterested so I told her I only stan BTS and noone else she said I was a selfish Bitch for not giving her fav a try and after that I never tried to even know the girls names ....and whatever you told in the video was proved by these stupid fans when they started to drag you in twitter...
I hope you are fine and are not affected with all the hate you received in twitter and please keep it up best wishes..
❤
wtf drop that friend rn
@@taeechaee no why ? have you seen the shit your fandom spews
i think this is what “female empowerment” is seen in korea, as female idols get almost blacklisted to some extent for supporting feminism i get why the branding isn’t what we would expect to be here in the west
i’ll go watch the video maybe you mentioned this
im so glad someone mentioned this
they are a global group though, and most of their promotions is in the west.
@@lennyanyn i mean they’re under a south korean company most of their stuff are in korean not that korean music is only supposed to be listened in korea or smth but you get the point they’re not as westernised as you think but they’re getting more and more global promotions and i’m so happy abt them and kpop itself
Blackpink could have made songs about friendship between women. They won't get blacklisted for that yet they don't do it. BlackPink could have made songs about dreaming of a better world, it could be a powerful song or a mellow song.
All in all, BlackPink have failed in their concept of 'girl crush' (a platonic 'crush' that the female audience would have on the group. 'Girl crush' means a non-romantic attraction. Same with a guy having a 'boy crush' on a male celeb he really likes but not romantically attracted. E.g a lot of guys like Ryan Reynolds.
Because nearly all of BP songs are about males
Literally took the lyrics out of context and then blames blackpink for blinks. This essay is flawed
Recently, blinks are hating on ILL IT just because their fandom name was the same as Lisa's unofficial fandom name(LILLY). Like, its just immature.
Sounds....not true if you ask me
Girlgroup stans in general are so annoying, they always pull up the gender cards, however blinks definitely takes the cake.
I get that korea and kpop is extremely misogynistic, but the way some kpop fans perceive feminism and misogyny is just wrong. Ppl criticize one thing abt a girlgroup and its immediately misogyny, its stupid. Kpop stans saw the word misogyny and feminism in the dictionary and decided to use it in every argument, particularly blinks. I honestly think blinks have no right to talk abt misogyny and feminism when blackpink has lyrics that are just plain nonsense. Like as a woman myself, i feel no empowerment from these girls, they feel more like fashion influencers to me. I know its not entirely their fault for having this kind of image since obviously YG has all it planned, but at the end of the day theyre adults so they know what theyre doing. Especially with jennie, like i just know that she read that script and yet still decided to go with it.
The only kpop groups i've felt empowered as a woman is mamamoo and gidle (theres probably more but these two stands out to me) and if ur someone who rlly is desperate to stan feminist groups, just stan little mix my god.
Girl group stans don’t know the true meaning of misogyny and feminism, they only use it to their benefits and to victimise their faves.
And these girl group stans are the same ones that speak about women empowerment and supporting women then in an instant they’ll turn their back to go hate on a female idol that’s pretty, skinny and successful (cause some of these ggs have major insecurity issues and try dump it on those idols just to make them feel bad) Wonyoung is a great example.
@@Yoest.1seriously. They live through blackpink's success because they have ordinary lives and the reason they can't stand other female idols getting successful is because they think of it as an insult to BP aka themselves.
@@Marie-Berry same with a lot kpop Stans, they act like their faves successes are their own and are just obsessed with Korean culture in a creepy way
@@cheribitch5396 agree, though I think Blinks take it to the extreme. The way they react to someone getting the same fashion brand or the same outfit is disturbing.
Also idk why they are in denial that Jennie doesn't want white people's validations.
The one who claimed she was a bully (though I think it's false since no proof has been provides all these years), said that she used to hang out with white people and looked down on POC despite herself being one and she was using lots of swear words and swear gestures in her Facebook as well.
@@Yoest.1 exactly, its just hypocrisy. in fact, i believe kpop fans dont care abt stuff like this at all unless its related to their idols. feminism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, corruption, capitalism, mental health, there are a lot of fans that rlly dont care abt these issues, they only act like it in order to give their idols a good image and also for self-satisfaction "oh my idols advocate for this" and all that bs.
girlgroup stans will be like "i support women!" until that woman has surpassed their idols achievements 💀 men being misogynistic to women sucks, but women being misogynistic to other women hurts the most.
The problem is that their concept was never feminism so i dont really understand the purpose of this video
They are considered to be feminist by the majority of their fanbase. The purpose of the video is to explain how Blackpink's songs and image are far from feminist.
@@igentlyopenthedoor5817 but bro💀💀 them BEING CONSIDERED something is not the point. The point is that ORIGINALLY their concept is NOT being feminists
@@douma_bbyif they're initial purpose wasn't supposed to be tied to feminism then they should have made that more clear since the beginning 💀💀
@@_oninim_why should they when they never claimed to be that.
I don’t know why Twitter blinks hating on this video because what just you said is fact🤷🏻♀️
U ate this. BP just doesn’t scream women empowering to me, nor do they embolden their Stan’s to evolve. I liked some of their music, but ngl it’s the same copy paste “I’m-better-than-you-don’t-even-try” mindset that just screams materialism more than activism and their Stan’s ruin any ability to bffr with themselves to be taken seriously imo.
"we've only seen blackpink empowering blackpink" so true lmaoo. this video is well done and i hope a lot of blinks will see it!
just a heads up, you could maybe put a flash warning on this video, particularly at 16:07
I didn’t use to pay attention to lyrics, especially K-pop music. So I was ok with BP. They have catchy music and visually appealing. Then I got into another group where I did start paying attention to lyrics, so they set a standard for me to now try to understand the message behind the song, and then rewatching BPs videos with sub titles was alarming. I’m worried for the young girls that are idolizing them. The parents don’t find anything wrong with this until my friends 8 year old daughter dressed up like them and started dancing provocatively for their family Xmas party showcase. That was a shocker for the dad. I feel like the past 10-15 years we’ve been encouraging women to support each other and not tear each other apart, but BPs music is just going backwards.
I’m glad you brought up the “read a book part” because I was thinking it, but not brave enuff to say it. But u said it, so I’m gonna go with it. I’ve seen some of their interviews and omg the words that come out of their mouth. I don’t follow them enuff to know if they’re acting ditzy or if they’re really like that. You can be intelligent and cute. But they honestly don’t sound very intelligent. It can be an act, but to your point, that goes against their girl empowerment branding. I’m hoping they can start highlighting that women can be smart and beautiful and not just rely on looks and sex appeal. Especially in this age when the younger generation is turning to “careers” in things like TikTok and Onlyfans. Can you imagine a world where theres a shortage of leaders, doctors, etc, but the majority of the population is onlyfans stars and influencers? 🤯
@@emd1646in various situations:
1. Probably most recent was when they got interviewed by rolling stone magazine. They were asked about hiphop and rap and everything they said was factually wrong and ignorant. They had no background information of that genre, besides from what teddy has probably told them that hiphop is. They were asked about other stuff too but their answers were always amazingly superficial.
2. They are highschool dropouts, if I'm not mistaken lisa didn't even finish middle school because shr became a trainee very young. Intelligence doesn't necessarily equal having a diploma, but high school is considered "obligatory education" for a reason. This explains some instances where they have asked about basic stuff like "do we have 2 lungs?"
@@emd1646 I know things because I've been fans of them up until some point. Regarding your arguments:
1. I never said in any moment that cultural capital is a SOLE criteria for being intelligent, but knowledge, and especially basic knowledge on something you do, is crucial. It wasn't a single sentence, it was a whole discussion about hiphop as a genre and culture and everything they said were wrong, which is terrible judging by the fact that 2 of them are supposed to be rappers. If you have no idea about the stuff you're doing, doesn't that suggest ignorance and therefore a lack of intelligence?
2. I also never equated intelligence to finishing high school and I even clarified that being intelligent doesn't necessarily require a diploma, but being taken away from basic education, which all humans should have, leaves you with gaps in education. Basic education is not about simply knowing terms, formulas and historic events or scientist names. It's mostly about developing and advancing your cognitive functions, critical thinking skills, for developing a sense of cultural awareness and for building human-interaction skills. Many idols don't have the opportunity to finish high school, yes, but how does that erase my point?
You are assuming I'm an ableist and classist because I strongly advocate in basic education and because I think it is crucial for nurturing your intelligence, means that either you don't actually know the meaning of these terms or you just are blinded by rage at the moment and your judgment is clouded.
3. You can consider Lisa or Jisoo as intelligent if you want, but I'd also argue that basic human empathy doesn't necessarily mean you are emotionally intelligent or that learning a new language is a natural adaptive skill us humans have, especially when you are living in an environment where that language is spoken.
@@emd1646 School systems all over the world are highly flawed, that's a fact that no one can deny. But this shouldn't be used to encourage or normalize the lack of BASIC education (up to high school). I never said you need to be intelligent to earn your right to be educated, but education radically nurtures one's intelligence. I myself have just enrolled to a med school in Italy thanks to its scholarships, otherwise I would never afford my dream degree.
Also I am not demeaning women's intelligence, how did you end up generalizing my opinions for a group of 4 women to ALL women? I simply think that Blackpink in particular are not intelligent.
Have a nice day!
@@Army-cy5dw so they are what they are dumb that’s what you’re saying they are dumb everyone is intelligent in their own way
@@emd1646Jennie said Rihanna is hiphop..
honestly i couldn't focus on what you said cuz i was so shock that how bad the dance the are literally so bad at dancing
Girl what they are not bad at dancing
@@Lily-kl2cm as a dancer for me a good dance is being synchronized i can say that lisa is of best dancers in kpop but it look like the all priciest in different rooms and for jennie i don't have anything to say about her dancing and the amount of hate she is getting for being lazy dancer overall the are not good performers
@@Lily-kl2cmtheir recent concerts, they put 40% energy except for Jennie. They only preform their best in western countries like coechella, Paris, Hyde Park etc.
@@fahimsafi9867 please "as a dancer" probably only danced 3 years
the fact that blinkers in the comments are making this more about the creator being an army than the actual issue is so telling 💀 a bp member could hypothetically commit violent murder on live cam and blinks would still be saying "BUT NAMJOON-" and find a way to make it about bts with their two selected clips 'as proof' from a literal decade ago. y'all are insufferable.
sighh namjoon is their punching bag as always
The worst defense too. Citing problematic lyrics from BTS just highlights the fact that ARMY weren't blind or ignorant to reality and didn't turn the other way. ARMY held BTS accountable and openly acknowledge it. As a result, the writing process changed and the members received a wake-up call and education on feminism. The fact that a boy group seeks out a professor of women's studies and tries to consider things to the best of their ability from a female perspective, whilst BP have zero say on lyrics written by middle aged men... Makes you wonder what Blinks could accomplish if more of them didn't turn a blind eye and tear others down to avoid admitting BP isn't perfect.
The idol is the worst thing Jennie could've chosen as acting debut
bp's message doesn't promote female empowerment if you don't look like them or aren't as rich as them. which is basically a huge chunk of the population. its gonna have the complete opposite effect in fact.
Yea they do you prob only listened to shut down lmao
@@Lily-kl2cm jokes on you I've listened to their whole discography 💀 just bc I like bp doesn't mean I'm gonna lie on their behalf lmao. it's a globally known fact that bp's lyrics are written mostly by MEN with misogynistic undertones 💀
@@ly_seagirl bp write their own lyric too
@@Lily-kl2cm girl they have no more than 3 credits on KOMCA and that's just 3/4 members 😭💀
Thank you for another great video. I agree with all the points being made. Something that wasn't mentioned in the video is the fact that a large part of Blackpink's fandom are gay men who not only shade other female idols but also harass and dox female fans of other groups. How is it okay for men to be bullying, doxing and saying degrading things about other women? Is that not the literal definition of misogyny? Are we really going to give them a pass just because they are gay and fans of a "girl power" group? The same male fans who hide behind pfps of their "girl crush" idols love to say nasty things about male idols who have a softer or more feminine look. The perfect example of this is BTS' Jimin, who has been the butt of many transphobic and SA jokes in the last year or so. This is part of a broader conversation about why gay men hate on feminine men so much. It is rooted in the idea that feminine traits intrinsically make one weak or less worthy of respect, which again circles back to misogyny.
you’re totally right in everything you said, i was a blink, blackpink were even my first kpop group, i used to enjoy the songs without paying attention to the lyrics and just the beat, when one day i wanted to check out the lyrics i felt a bit disappointed abt it all being “i’m better than you” “you’re not on my level” and i felt bad when i first heard ddu4 and lisa said “born skinny b!tch” like saying she has a better body than other women bc she’s skinny, but i excused it all with “well, they didn’t write it” which disappointed me a bit more ngl but i kept loving my girls cuz their music is catchy and they’re (the girls) kinda funny, but then blinks behavior… they go on every social media saying things like “it’s blackpink vs kpop, it’s always been like that” “y’all love to hate on women” and inserting sexism in the craziest arguments you can imagine, also the way they defend everything they do whether it’s right or not with “y’all are misogynist” completely twisting the meaning of that word, to make it short, they think every little criticism even if it’s constructive is hate towards blackpink for being women, you can’t give your personal opinion on blackpink if you didn’t like a song, cuz they automatically start being defensive and saying you just hate cuz they’re successful rich powerful women, this is the example of a fandom that won’t let you enjoy the artist’s music, you can’t always separate the art from the artist, in this case, the fandom, this is one of the reasons i unstanned them
It came to me that Blackpink's lyrics really reflect the bully culture in the Korean society. If someone is richer, better-looking or more forceful in Korea, somehow they think they get to bully other poorer, plain or ordinary-looking or weaker women. This type of misconcept in the Korean culture is not what young girls everywhere should learn from.
And that youtuber Andrew piluk defend them like his life depend on them ,,like he makes the most useless point to defend those girlies every other day...And blonks agree with every word he says like whyy?!!!
It's understandable about "born skinny b/tch", people have body shamed Lisa throughout her carrier for being skinny 😃 She get a lot of hateful comments like 'Sceleton, bony and other shit"
@@jasonnoah589 It doesn't mean you can compliment yourself by bodyshaming others. There are other ways to tell the world you are confident about your skinny body either way so just say whatever you wanna. But since lisa didn't write any of it and I'm sure she is such a humble and nice person it's not a big deal for me. It's all teddy's fault, tho. Alao blinks fault just like op said
@@userfriendlyforever Well, if you actually look at the lyrics, it's not "bodyshaming". It's intended to strongly imply that she's proud of the way her body is and if someone wants to call her a "skinny b*tch" she'll turn it into a compliment. That's actually positivity. Many people in this comment section are so determined to dump on Blackpink that they actually strain against common sense to make things seem more negative than they really are.
They are Kardashians of kpop but i believe fall will come eventually as game in industry never lasts.
I wish blackpink could write their own lyrics
They co-write some of their own lyrics
They can lol? Have you ever looked at their net worth? If they wanted to, they would.
@@lucky0673 exactly...tbh this is the problem here..ppl really think that they can be controlled by their company..ofc their label is problematic but that doesn't mean the girls hv no power..like fans blame everything on company..if the girls really really want, they can surely write their lyrics & get involved un their music..but for that they need to give company the quality..if their lyrics are basic..ofc the company won't allow to put it out..if ppl think otherwise, they are really d-e-l-u-s-i-o-n-a-l tbh
After all the years the group has been together and all the money they brought to the company, they can, at this point it just seems like they don't want
@@aishwaryaahirrao even treasure and Somi whom r new in YG they have credits and write , it's cuz the girls enjoy everything is ready why would they bother?? They have lost even their stage presence and passion at the concerts
YG is known of self-producer idols , Winner Ikon Akmu CL GD ...Somi and some treasure members why would YG not allow Blackpink? Lol cuz they can't or dnt care
their songs are pretty much all about MEN. their title track always have the same formula with constructions instrumentals and boom ratata dum in the end for minutes cause the nonsense lyrics ran out so they just saying anything. LIKE listen to real music instead!!!!
the "nonsense lyrics" at the end is literally yg's formula...every group in yg got this type of songs as their tts nothing new and nothing serious!!
@@haozbv and it sounds like ass just so unserious and uncreative
When I first got into them, I was so excited because it’s said that they are girls version of BTS. I thought they would talk about how the industry treats women differently, how it’s like to be a modern woman, maybe some personal stories of their lives about it. But nothing like these at all. I don’t blame the girls, I blame fans who always make these edits “imagine thinking bp is not feminists”. Well their songs certainly are NOT
i'm sorry but calling them the girl version of bts is such a joke pls
Saying bp is the girl version of bts is an insult to bts (not hating on you lol). It is true that during 2016-2018, and even now, articles refer to them as "female bts" or "the group that surpassed bts" which is embarrassing mediaplay.
Female version of bts?? No way, don't bring down bts like that 😂
Putting BTS and BP in the same level is an insult to BTS' artistry and the work they put in
In 2018 YG pushed them to make it big globally and their style was somewhat similar to BTS (hip hop / bad ass). I also tried to stan them back then but when I watched "Blackpink House" I didn't get the (mostly) authentic/chaotic/entertaining vibe I was getting from and liked about BTS. It seemed like the BP members were acting like cute good girls all the time.
(I've become veeery sceptical about Kpop in general though - especially about Hybe and their "the younger the better" philosophy, how they work with Scooter Brown and how they let JK participate in a sportswashing event for an authoritarian, misogynistic, homophobic regime that is accused of exploitation / modern day slavery by human rights organizations - and yes, maybe JK is not as naive as he seems to be but I don't expect him to be informed about foreign affairs - that's the job of the management / PR-team)
Blinks really need to take a deeper look at who they're calling "Feminist icons" because NOTHING Black Pink represents is about women empowerment, their whole concept and aesthetic is around being "richer and prettier than you" and it always has been, they forget that the whole idea around BP was to be the "Prettier 2ne1"?
"And this is exactly why I'm so against becoming kpop trainees as KIDS "
Couldn't agree more 👏🏽 👌🏽
I love the girls but you are on point
Specially the lyrics are the idol show 💔
The discography is poor ... i miss playing with fire and whistle 😭😭
Then go listen to their old songs💀🤦♀️
IMO mamoo has outshined black pink in the feminism department. Im not a stan of either, but their IMAGE seems more empowering. I am not trying to pit the two agaisnt each other, I just think black pink should take note
Im not sure if you've seen that zach sang show clip of lisa's solo interview- she talked abt how diff she was since she wears tank top and trousers when off schedule so yea...
This reminds me of a recent hit tweet i saw about taylor swift and how her "feminism" only works for her and i feel like there is definitely a parallel. ( tho i dont think she has "im not like other girls" in a song)
Yeah, I used that clip for one of my cringe moments video. I don’t think she understood how that’s statement came off
@@Sonyeonstan rightt now i remember where i saw the clip!! and while im sure she didnt have any ill intention- the comments do come off as "pick me"
@@JAnugya I feel the same way about that video of Rose talking to some man and trying to explain who she/Blackpink was. The guy clearly had no idea who they were but she kept talking about how many views they had on TH-cam and covered her mouth when she said Blackpink as if people were gonna swarm her if she said the name aloud...I'm sure she also didn't mean anything bad by it but that gave me real "pick me" vibes too
@@taylorcullen2659 i havent seen this clip and good for me cus tf.... im sure the girls dont have ANY ill intention but when u look at these clips together from a distance (and not individually) then the picture becomes clearer
I have always said this,and i am going to say it again!!
If blinks think questioning a "grown up women" for working in and promoting such problamtic show is anti-feminist then they should go study more about feminism... Maybe then they will understand who exactly is being anti-feminist here..
i would like to add the fact that even if the company really wanted them to be a feminist group why don't they let the girls do their thing? if anything why don't they hire american female songwriters? seeing what bekuh boom writes such as typa girl or lalisa....is that the best they could hire?
Probably because they wanted to make money out of them by doing the bear minimum.
they don't want them to be feminists, the kpop industry loves controlling their idols and especially women. they just realized that the girl power concept is popular now so they can make money off of that
@@NeverlandXidle i mean that's exactly what they're doing lol
I love your videos and how you’re not afraid of speaking facts! I agree with everything you said about the brand Blackpink. I’m not super familiar with the girls, so I can’t say anything about them but the branding is very problematic
"Look at you, now look at me"
How you like that and You and Me
Like, you can't be a feminist when you straight up singing "I'm not like these other girls at all" 😂😂
People saying that "putting down" another girl is not feminism. WAKE UP! The first sorority we have to have is with ourselves, and the number of WOMEN who attacked BLACKPINK without ANY REASON for years cannot be counted.
So gurls, if a woman offends you, puts you down, talks about your body, and does all the many things that WOMEN have done to BLACKPINK for years, be like BLACKPINK: be sororous to yourselves and don't be afraid to revive all the unnecessary hate you received.
Protect and defend women, starting with yourselves, even if it is from other women.
I hate when gg stans pull that sexist card, i would criticize a girl group concept and then get replies like "you just hate successful women" "just say you're misogynistic" like ....no?
Sorry do these girls practice? Their choreography looks a little messy
too busy attending fashion shows
I was shocked to see the same😂.
well it's not like they have to. they're blackpink. they could literally sleep on stage, text on their phones, and just do the mickey mouse clubhouse dance instead of the actual choreo and their fans would still eat it up 💀 literally blinks love giving them participation trophies
I dont see the problem w tracks being "me-centric" most idol songs are...
Definitely not a problem. I was just describing them in regards to the girl power label fans put on them
Just depends on how many and how they're said, No by CLC is a song that is for standing up for yourself and what you like, I am the best by 2ne1 is showing your ex that you're not one to be messed with or Mamamoo's "wanna-be myself" is about empowering yourself and others.
wait wait wait... Momo got hate for copying lisa for doing pole dance? Wasn't solar and gfriend one of the first idols to dance pole on a stage? it's infuriating to see these dumb comparisons especially when they didn't even fricking do it first.
After school were the first idols to pole dance, around a decade ago
Then Solar, and later Yuju kind of popularized it, and Solar even had to face all the backlash for it
So it is indeed infuriating when not only do they gatekeep+ hate on momo for absolutely no reason, but also take away after school, solar and yuju's credit 💀💀 it's just ridiculously funny
Thank you SO MUCH for putting this out. I am always shocked by how delusional blinks are. They call this grp female empowering grp and all their songs are written by men, talking about them being rich and pretty and "NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS"!!!
In fact, it is even more demeaning that these girls do not even get involved in the music making process, how does any of it show feminism??
It is better to say they are fashion icons. They are farthest thing from feminism
and so what? like fr, y'all are so unbearable, they're just doing songs and there's peoples who like.. and plus: they NEVER called themselves feminists, its their fans🤷🏻♀️ kpop fans are so boring, like why kpopers can't just listen to their favs and don't care abt another groups?
There's also nothing wrong with interpretating an artist's songs and their meaning which is what this creator did.