Eddie was an absolute monster on overhead for reps, squats and deadlift.... not sure you would have wiped the floor with him on every event for reps. But the moving events, for sure.
@ I'm assuming you're talking about the time when he started with 20 Kg plates on each side and as he did each deadlift they added a plate each side until he was at something like 380 or 400 Kg? Then went back down the same way?
Really interesting conversation about biceps muscle and tendon strength. At 8:27, Mitch says: "In order to tear the bicep tendon, you need a bicep strong enough to pull the tendon off the bone." -- That's really the weak premise in Mitch's argument. As Dr Mike points out, there are plenty of ways to tear your bicep tendon that don't require your biceps being strong at all (e.g. deadlifting with mixed grip or bent arm). It's probably true to say that in order to tear your bicep tendon *while doing a biceps isolation movement like a curl* you need a bicep strong enough to pull the tendon off the bone. But compound movements can expose the biceps to forces orders of magnitude higher than it can handle, regardless of how strong it is - which is what Dr Mike correctly points out.
Yes, this is one of the few things I really disagreed with when I first heard Mitch talk about regarding bicep training. A stronger bicep is a better bicep, and any injury to the bicep in strongman really isn't because the bicep is too strong or big.
Perhaps the fatigue from direct bicep work on top of the really heavy work that also uses the bicep causes the injury’s but yer strong biceps in their own is stupid think
I've learned some of these lessons in a different way. As an ex-powerlifter turned fat arse, when I decided to get fit again, my muscles were ready quite quickly, but my tendons were not. I had a new injury almost every single week for months until they caught back up.
The bit right at the end about how you almost can't be a normal person having a bad day if a stranger comes up to you and recognising you was a really good point, I think I've actually seen Linus Sebastian say the same thing before. The pressure must be pretty rough sometimes, I barely like getting recognised by people I know in public, let alone people I don't
David Tennant talks about it with celebrity guests quite a bit on his podcast and I found it very insightful. He calls it the "Loss of Anonymity" and it is a real loss. He went from fairly unknown theatre actor to Doctor Who fame practically over night and he is still digesting that years later. I understood that there's almost nothing I would exchange for my privacy.
Damn, even more content. This is pretty cool, because you have an expert on strength and an expert in every aspect of hypertrophy and bodybuilding. Would be awesome to actually make this a recurring event, every 4 or 6 months to discuss your findings and then ask Dr. Mike what the current science says about it
My only issue with this is peak Eddie was peak for that era and what were the requirements for that era of strongman. If he was getting into his peak during this era, he would probably have a waaay different body composition. People tend to goof on Eddie but he was also an extremely smart individual when it came to targeted training and recovery. Mitch is a wonderkind for sure though.
Eddie was never dominant even at his peak. He was really good at OHP, squats and deadlift, but he was never a dominant force like we're seeing from Thor 2018 or Mitch now.
@@QueenToKingOfSpades i think you are completely off ....eddie is by far the stronger when it comes to static lifts like deadlifts, squatsand overheaded presses , you forget that eddie had the axle press record in which he could have lifted 230 kgs he did not go all out bcoz of the competetion ......Prime Eddie was dominant in static strength more than THOR and BRIAN who were gentically giftes for stones and frame carry etc.
I think Omar Isuf and Eric Helms have discussed the topic of "what is strength" on Iron Culture podcast before. Trying to philosophically answer that question is surprisingly hard. Because almost every way to measure strength seems to be an expression of skill. They've also discussed strength sports history like how the circus acts sort of evolved to both weightlifting and strongman and how bodybuilding started as a fun sideshow of weightlifting. And now weightlifting is sort of marginal thing and everybody cares about bodybuilding (and powerlifting). I feel like the beauty of the strongman is that it still preserves some traditional rituals. Like stone lifting has been with humans for who knows how long to define strength, but there's been so many other ways to measure practical ability to benefit the community with your physicality.
Actually, Dr. Mike coauthored with Chad Wesley Smith one of the best strength training books for intermediate and advanced lifters: 'Scientific Principles of Strength Training'. That book is a gem and should be a must read for everybody who wants to venture beyond the novice linear progression level of lifting, especially if you want to write your own programs or modify the ones you are following. That book was a huge eye opener for me, especially the fatigue management and the strass-recovery-adaptation parts. After I read it, all the intermediate and advanced lifting programs (for strength) started to make sense: Juggernaut, 5/3/1/, Texas Method, HLM etc.
14:48 I absolutely believe your claim about the loading or anything athletic, but beating him in reps in any exercise sounds a bit much to me. Isn't Eddie known for some pretty extreme performances in repping static lifts like the press or squat?
@@POOCOMESFROMFOOD half rep what is dumbbell press in training ? 😂 what about his deadlift and squat for reps pretty much won or tied every time he did it !!! Pressing was often won by a mile except for Arnold’s
@@POOCOMESFROMFOODi mean if you wanna say that then compare their best ohp when hooper doesnt cheese woth a split jerk, its a joke compared to other static strength strongmen
@daviesugo7641 he can pretend hes gonna nock out 505 but his 880 for 1 he looked like crap compared to bobby thompsons faster easier 840x3 and he isnt even a 1k+ lifter yet
super interesting for well trained athletes holding on to and retaining the maximum strength of the tendon for up to two months! Explains where lots of max strength programs have 10 week blocks of hypertrophy in.
Pudzianowski was called “The Dominator” for a reason. Strongest in his era of strongman, but strongman has progressively gotten heavier over the years. Today it isn’t considered the highest level to be where he was strength-wise when he won 5 titles. - People love to shit on moving events today, buy moving events in strongman require people to actually be stronger than a static monster. Static monsters are great at very controlled lifts, but farmers walks, yokes, atlas stones, power stairs, etc all require you to be able to not just pick up a weight, but be able to move with that weight. Hooper is the best example why strongmen should train in more than just strength, but also endurance and even a little cardio.
The Arnold has always been the heaviest show...Mariusz never made podium once( the Arnold includes moving events as well, but with heavy weights). He was fastest when weights weren't terribly heavy, but NOT the strongest in his era.
Mariusz was a crossfiter compared to big z in their time... He never will be in the goat conversation of strongman... No matter if he was called dominator, terminator or whatever... And it doesnt matter if he has 5more wsm titles if they were so light like the years he won.
Maruisz was someone i loved to watch compete back in the day. Seing a dude at 6 foot tall and 315lbs of ripped muscle was motivational to me. It should be noted however that, at the time Mariusz was winning WSM, Big Z was under contractual obligation and paid by a strength organization (i think it was the IFSA?) and his contract did not allow him to compete in the WSM for 4 years or so. It Would have been interesting to see Big Z' compete against Mariusz in those years, and his WSM title count if he was allowed to compete (considering how he dominated when he returned to WSM). This is part of the reason why many WSM competitors consider him the goat. A lesser reason was that Mariusz was popped for PED's but its hard to count that since the assumption that many/most if not all the competitors are on PEDs..at least during the training period prior to competing (maybe not DURING competition though). Many never got popped though, so idk.
Fascinating. I agree that powerlifting totals are a better reflection of absolute strength than strong man, but at the same time still think strongman is the best test of overall functional strength that incorporates strength endurance and shifting loads in a variety of ways. Powerlifting is more sport specific specialised movements.
7:29 this is actually the complete opposite. A bodybuilder working in the 3-6 rep range is NOT like telling a sprinter to do long distance running; it’s closer to telling a cross country runner to do sprints. Cross country runners should be sprinting in their training by the way
Good video. I really do like these sit down interview type videos as you ask good questions, like the bicep injury in strongman question. I imagine you yourself experience the internet famous thing as well. I was a bit surprised when you said you get nervous when strangers greet you. Wouldn't know it seeing your interactions with fans at your competitions.
The best way to train and hit all areas, is to use linear periodization. Start around 15 reps and over the weeks, work down to 2-5. You'll strengthen both muscle and tendon while also training muscular endurance. Its a safer approach.
Wouldn't you want to flip it the other way around? Working with the heaviest weights at the start of the period when you're least fatigued and therefore the least likely to get injured.
@@itsasecret2298no because you're building up strength and skill by loading overtime, peaking then going back to lighter weights is like programming your whole program as a deload 😅. You're building strength,technical skill, work capacity, muscle tissue by working up to heavier loads vs jumping straight to heavy loads that are exactly as heavy as you already could move anyway and then lifting lighter over time and expecting ti get get stronger. Also jumping straight into heavy lifts without working up to them is way more likely to injury you
Mitch: “take any event for reps against Eddie and I’d have a bigger engine than him” Eddie: takes 120lb dumbbells for 40 reps as his warmup for his overhead day, squats 750lbs for 15+ reps in comp, dominates all deadlift and OH events regardless of if it’s max or reps. What an absurd statement to make from Mitch lol. 100% agree that he’d wipe the floor with Eddie in a loading race though
@@Procharmo that doesn’t really matter. We have objective means of comparing. If you look at Eddie’s comp results vs Mitch’s on similar events, Eddie would likely come out on top. Not saying Mitch couldn’t win a static event against peak Eddie, but the spirit of the comment Mitch made was that Eddie wouldn’t stand a chance against him in a rep event, which is certainly not true.
@toomanyblocks8448 the level of the sport as a whole has risen, but the level of static strength has not risen much, and in the case of deadlift has actually dipped down among the top athletes. Eddie competed in the peak of static strength of the sport. I’m not saying Mitch couldn’t win a static rep event against Eddie, but the spirit of Mitch’s comment was that he would easily beat Eddie in a rep event, which is certainly not true. Peak Eddie wouldn’t stand still be at the top or near the top of any static event (deadlift, squat, overhead for either max or reps).
Yes as we all know Mike knows more about strength and bodybuilding than every single coach on the planet, he’s also bigger and stronger than Mike mentzer amd all he feels is rage
@ but Mike loves to preach how you shouldn’t just follow what the biggest guy in the gym does, but then he also says to follow him over Mike mentzer because he’s “bigger and stronger”
@cormacryan500 he says this because deluded Mike Mentzer fan boys love to be like "well X does high intensity and he's bigger than you so it must work!"
" what if it made you a better runner all around but hurt sprint" is what i feel about cardio. Everyone's on about not hurting gains, but what about my cardio gains? Gotta go hard sometimes for that + ultimately if your cardio is that much better you may have your heart chilling around 100-120 bpm at a power output others are gasping for air, making your dedicated muscle gain/ fat loss phase better. I'm not a body builder i do want good cardio. I'm not a cyclist i want the biceps even if it ain't aero.
This was a great question from Mitch on bicep strength. I have wondered the same. For years now, I have done a lot of back exercises (rows, pullups), which involved the biceps, but don't isolate the biceps. I always wonder if I should try to isolate the biceps to make them stronger. At the same time, I wonder like Mitch, if strengthening, growing, adding tension to that biceps, might endanger it more when doing exercises like the deadlift. For me, so far so good... But I am wondering if further strengthening the biceps would add greater balance and stability to all of my compound lifts...
as much of a meme that is and considering his structure is trash, his legs, back and chest definitely seem bigger. he is also most likely stronger. bodybuilding is very dependent on muscle bellies, frame, structure and proportions.
I personally think his career is going to be on a steep decline. There are too many videos documenting his contradictions, equivocations, and half-baked lies and BS. He's a delusional lying bull-shitting narcisst.
That bit about where strongman should go! Who are the best known strongman of the last 20 years . Z Eddie Thor and Brian The reason being they were huge units and moved huge what’s that’s what strongman is to most ordinary people .
Im a bodybuilder but I start leg day with 6 ezish sets to a heavy double squat then hypertrphy sets. Back day finishes with build up to heavy double on deads. 80% hypertrophic 20% meathead fun
I think it's great with all these collabs, but it's always someone asking Mike about stuff. This being a mutual admiration situation i'm sure, I'd love to hear what Mike would like to ask Mitch for once.
But according to Mike he already knows everything and his IQ is higher than every single coach in the world and he says he already knows everything, these interviews just further fuel Mikes idiotic delusions
It isn't hard. Just keep up with the literature. It does, however, take a lot of thought to distill it for mass audiences. This isn't my field but I could know everything relevant in six months.
In my opinion many catastrophic injuries are because of forces applied plus the wrong angle to your muscle as well as too heavy. Like a different or wrong position to what youve ever done before. Also muscles firing at the wrong time pulling against one another like a hamstring pull during a sprint. Because the quads were still engaged when the hammy contracted. Many factors can cause injury. But sttrong man athletes should always do extreme high rep days to bring blood flow blood flow brings nutrients to muscles
Training heavy builds the frame and muscles. This is why calisthenic athletes and gymnasts are muscular but not big. There is more to bodybuilding than building muscles
Dr mike: in my ophmore year i benched double bodyweight. Mitchel: cool... Like it is merely noteworthy The same cool as in "hey, this is a shiny penny"
I’d rather have strong tendons and be strong than big and weak. That moment in your life when you need to save someone or even just move a couch will thank you for it.
Having a weight number to chase and improving strength each week has been such a big motivator. I don't get the desire to stand in front of a mirror for 2 hours and just do hypertrophy. That being said, everyones on their own journey so the only right way is your own.
Im no expert or have any xp with but I could add througg observation that the supps and diet that bodybuilders use tend to dry you out and they're diet don't always provide optimal nutritional macros for peak strength like powerlifers and strongman who tend to eat more and not try to dry out. I mean supps aren't everything but I'd imagine there's a difference between strongman and bodybuilders.
There is a mix of the ideas of rpe and rir. Rpe i forget the acronym but it means how hard the workout feels. 1-10, 1 being walking to the fridge, 10 being it made you puke. Usual advice is to aim for 5-8 rpe most sessions. Rir is reps in reserve. In your program and/or based on how you feel you can adjust. A 9 rpe workout might have 1 rir, where you could barely get one more rep (high stimulus, high fatigue), a 5 rpe workout could have 3 or 4 rir (ok stimulus with low fatigue)
Every time I try to like Mitch, I'm disappointed by his self-aggrandizing and willingness to pretend he would've beaten other previous strongmen. Not a good look...comes across as insecure and arrogant...no need to diminish other strongmen's accomplishments.
@cormacryan500 Ah ok so judging by your comments you are just a blind Dr Mike hater. Can you give me an example of something that he spreads that is objective misinformation?
@cormacryan500 you mean what Joe Rogan’s show has done since the beginning of its existence? Lmao JRE is for delusional bro types that cling their masculinity to AR15s, Conspiracy Theories and approval from other rich men. 😂
@@josephmcgreevy9977 he says sleep is better than steroids, he says he has “permanent love handles” from when he used to be fat, he can’t tell the difference between careering water or fat, he constantly preaches super slow eccentrics
I 100% disagree with Mitch saying that the true worlds strongest man is the powerlifting world champion. That is simply the strongest in 3 specific movements for absolute load. Deadlifting, squatting and bench pressing. Whereas a comp like SMOE will test your strength across many more different disciplines and will test more aspects of strength including absolute strength, repetition strength, strength endurance, power output, etc. And all of the events there are very heavy to the point that a “weak” guy can’t win just by being more athletic (unlike smaller 5 event shows with some lighter events).
@@MilosCrew OK and? Doesn't mean he doesn't have an extremely strong understanding of the science behind getting "strong". Mitchell can definitely learn a lot from him as he clearly agrees himself otherwise he wouldn't be continuely collabing with him specifically in formats that revolves around asking Dr Mike questions
"Tell me a circus performer who's gotten rich" Rogue invitational 2024 had a crowd roughly the same size as what Penn & Teller filled out when they were on broadway as a duo. Don't want to hate on the athleticism aspect of strongman but you can't wave away circus performers.
Just because Penn Jillette is trained as a circus clown doesn't mean everything he's ever done is a circus act. The only famous circus-style performers I can think of are the Flying Wallendas, and they got famous by leaving the circus and striking out on their own.
@ Clearly worlds strongest man was never a literal circus act either, it was always way different from strongman circus performers. They used that word to talk about the entertainment aspect of strongman vs the athleticism aspect. Penn Jillette mostly does theatrical magic rather than circus magic but for this conversation I lob them together because it felt the point I was making was klinda obvious considering the context.
Which event was this ? Oh right it dosnt matter he won the squat the ohp and the deadlift with a 472.5 kg in the penultimate event . Therefore he was the strongest . How can anyone complain at that years events . There a true test of strength not some shitty dumbbell press or keg toss
Remember that the only reason hooper is even close to any log or overhead record is because he split jerks to be able to cheese it doing a completely different lift then record holders
Did I hear Mike say that 3 to 6 reps would get you stronger but not by growong any muscle? I hear ovet and over on utube that the best hypertrophy range starts at 5 reps.
You're going to "grow muscle" even doing 1RM lifts. The "hypertrophy range" of roughly 5-30 reps is where studies have shown the subjects tended to grow muscle at roughly equivalent/indistinguishable rates regardless of reps.
3-6 reps will do more to increase absolute force output but 5-30 will cause more hypertrophy. If you go back and watch the video, I think Mike even said here that strength brings hypertrophy and hypertrophy brings strength but different rep ranges will prioritize one over the other.
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Eddie was an absolute monster on overhead for reps, squats and deadlift.... not sure you would have wiped the floor with him on every event for reps. But the moving events, for sure.
The Viking press for reps is one moment that made Eddie stand out during the WSM in 2017.
His "death by deadlift" still hasn't even been replicated, has it? And Ed wasn't even at his peak then.
@ I'm assuming you're talking about the time when he started with 20 Kg plates on each side and as he did each deadlift they added a plate each side until he was at something like 380 or 400 Kg? Then went back down the same way?
@@danielcobia7818he got to 420 if memory serves right
@@danielcobia7818 not the original guy but yeah that’s it
Really interesting conversation about biceps muscle and tendon strength. At 8:27, Mitch says: "In order to tear the bicep tendon, you need a bicep strong enough to pull the tendon off the bone." -- That's really the weak premise in Mitch's argument. As Dr Mike points out, there are plenty of ways to tear your bicep tendon that don't require your biceps being strong at all (e.g. deadlifting with mixed grip or bent arm). It's probably true to say that in order to tear your bicep tendon *while doing a biceps isolation movement like a curl* you need a bicep strong enough to pull the tendon off the bone. But compound movements can expose the biceps to forces orders of magnitude higher than it can handle, regardless of how strong it is - which is what Dr Mike correctly points out.
Yes, this is one of the few things I really disagreed with when I first heard Mitch talk about regarding bicep training. A stronger bicep is a better bicep, and any injury to the bicep in strongman really isn't because the bicep is too strong or big.
@@Micheldied right it’s crazy…I tore my bicep benching and it certainly wasn’t because my bicep was too strong 😂
@@SOC-ir6im damn..sorry but you overreached with that bench XD. I'll understand if it was peck..but....
Perhaps the fatigue from direct bicep work on top of the really heavy work that also uses the bicep causes the injury’s but yer strong biceps in their own is stupid think
I think Mitch is sometimes too sure of what he's saying.
Love the continued collaboration! Abrupt ending, but I take it as a good sign for more to come. LHBK
I've learned some of these lessons in a different way. As an ex-powerlifter turned fat arse, when I decided to get fit again, my muscles were ready quite quickly, but my tendons were not. I had a new injury almost every single week for months until they caught back up.
The bit right at the end about how you almost can't be a normal person having a bad day if a stranger comes up to you and recognising you was a really good point, I think I've actually seen Linus Sebastian say the same thing before. The pressure must be pretty rough sometimes, I barely like getting recognised by people I know in public, let alone people I don't
David Tennant talks about it with celebrity guests quite a bit on his podcast and I found it very insightful. He calls it the "Loss of Anonymity" and it is a real loss. He went from fairly unknown theatre actor to Doctor Who fame practically over night and he is still digesting that years later. I understood that there's almost nothing I would exchange for my privacy.
Damn, even more content. This is pretty cool, because you have an expert on strength and an expert in every aspect of hypertrophy and bodybuilding. Would be awesome to actually make this a recurring event, every 4 or 6 months to discuss your findings and then ask Dr. Mike what the current science says about it
I love hearing someone saying they’d wipe the floor with Eddie in an event and being able to say “huh, yeah no doubt about that.”
Maaaaybe not in leg press though
My only issue with this is peak Eddie was peak for that era and what were the requirements for that era of strongman. If he was getting into his peak during this era, he would probably have a waaay different body composition. People tend to goof on Eddie but he was also an extremely smart individual when it came to targeted training and recovery. Mitch is a wonderkind for sure though.
Eddie was never dominant even at his peak. He was really good at OHP, squats and deadlift, but he was never a dominant force like we're seeing from Thor 2018 or Mitch now.
@@QueenToKingOfSpades i think you are completely off ....eddie is by far the stronger when it comes to static lifts like deadlifts, squatsand overheaded presses , you forget that eddie had the axle press record in which he could have lifted 230 kgs he did not go all out bcoz of the competetion ......Prime Eddie was dominant in static strength more than THOR and BRIAN who were gentically giftes for stones and frame carry etc.
@@vikasSharma-u5rdon’t forget Eddie did 475 for a speed rep 2017 wsm
After watching the entire video in 2 minutes I disagree with everything.
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Dr mike had the record in the pull and jerk in high school too.
best video between two classes but please release the whole thing
I think Omar Isuf and Eric Helms have discussed the topic of "what is strength" on Iron Culture podcast before. Trying to philosophically answer that question is surprisingly hard. Because almost every way to measure strength seems to be an expression of skill. They've also discussed strength sports history like how the circus acts sort of evolved to both weightlifting and strongman and how bodybuilding started as a fun sideshow of weightlifting. And now weightlifting is sort of marginal thing and everybody cares about bodybuilding (and powerlifting).
I feel like the beauty of the strongman is that it still preserves some traditional rituals. Like stone lifting has been with humans for who knows how long to define strength, but there's been so many other ways to measure practical ability to benefit the community with your physicality.
Actually, Dr. Mike coauthored with Chad Wesley Smith one of the best strength training books for intermediate and advanced lifters: 'Scientific Principles of Strength Training'. That book is a gem and should be a must read for everybody who wants to venture beyond the novice linear progression level of lifting, especially if you want to write your own programs or modify the ones you are following. That book was a huge eye opener for me, especially the fatigue management and the strass-recovery-adaptation parts. After I read it, all the intermediate and advanced lifting programs (for strength) started to make sense: Juggernaut, 5/3/1/, Texas Method, HLM etc.
I really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you both.
14:48 I absolutely believe your claim about the loading or anything athletic, but beating him in reps in any exercise sounds a bit much to me. Isn't Eddie known for some pretty extreme performances in repping static lifts like the press or squat?
depends if you're talking about half rep hall or his proper strongman lifts too haha
@@POOCOMESFROMFOOD half rep what is dumbbell press in training ? 😂 what about his deadlift and squat for reps pretty much won or tied every time he did it !!! Pressing was often won by a mile except for Arnold’s
@ I’m not talking shit on him lol he is just known for that. Even other strongmen like Brian call him out on it
@@POOCOMESFROMFOODi mean if you wanna say that then compare their best ohp when hooper doesnt cheese woth a split jerk, its a joke compared to other static strength strongmen
@ okay, I can? But we are not talking about hooper, we are talking about Eddie lol
And split jerking is allowed so your point moot
Mitch tried Eddie's death by deadlift feat and didnt come close. Does that not count as reps?
But mitch is also a much better deadlifter now than then. But eddie still probably wins
@daviesugo7641 he can pretend hes gonna nock out 505 but his 880 for 1 he looked like crap compared to bobby thompsons faster easier 840x3 and he isnt even a 1k+ lifter yet
@@charliebaker1427Mitch won multiple times already and will continue winning. Eddie won once.
Great conversation with insight into building muscle and strength.
Really good stuff, where is part 2??!
You two together is always great content
super interesting for well trained athletes holding on to and retaining the maximum strength of the tendon for up to two months! Explains where lots of max strength programs have 10 week blocks of hypertrophy in.
Pudzianowski was called “The Dominator” for a reason. Strongest in his era of strongman, but strongman has progressively gotten heavier over the years. Today it isn’t considered the highest level to be where he was strength-wise when he won 5 titles.
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People love to shit on moving events today, buy moving events in strongman require people to actually be stronger than a static monster. Static monsters are great at very controlled lifts, but farmers walks, yokes, atlas stones, power stairs, etc all require you to be able to not just pick up a weight, but be able to move with that weight. Hooper is the best example why strongmen should train in more than just strength, but also endurance and even a little cardio.
The Arnold has always been the heaviest show...Mariusz never made podium once( the Arnold includes moving events as well, but with heavy weights). He was fastest when weights weren't terribly heavy, but NOT the strongest in his era.
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Strongmen comps require it. What are you talking about dude?
Just wanna sound smart eh?
Mariusz was a crossfiter compared to big z in their time... He never will be in the goat conversation of strongman... No matter if he was called dominator, terminator or whatever... And it doesnt matter if he has 5more wsm titles if they were so light like the years he won.
Maruisz was someone i loved to watch compete back in the day. Seing a dude at 6 foot tall and 315lbs of ripped muscle was motivational to me. It should be noted however that, at the time Mariusz was winning WSM, Big Z was under contractual obligation and paid by a strength organization (i think it was the IFSA?) and his contract did not allow him to compete in the WSM for 4 years or so. It Would have been interesting to see Big Z' compete against Mariusz in those years, and his WSM title count if he was allowed to compete (considering how he dominated when he returned to WSM). This is part of the reason why many WSM competitors consider him the goat. A lesser reason was that Mariusz was popped for PED's but its hard to count that since the assumption that many/most if not all the competitors are on PEDs..at least during the training period prior to competing (maybe not DURING competition though). Many never got popped though, so idk.
Fascinating. I agree that powerlifting totals are a better reflection of absolute strength than strong man, but at the same time still think strongman is the best test of overall functional strength that incorporates strength endurance and shifting loads in a variety of ways. Powerlifting is more sport specific specialised movements.
The beard situation looks quite wise Mitch
7:29 this is actually the complete opposite. A bodybuilder working in the 3-6 rep range is NOT like telling a sprinter to do long distance running; it’s closer to telling a cross country runner to do sprints. Cross country runners should be sprinting in their training by the way
Fantastic Thanks Moose, loving another sit down with Dr Mike!
Good video. I really do like these sit down interview type videos as you ask good questions, like the bicep injury in strongman question. I imagine you yourself experience the internet famous thing as well. I was a bit surprised when you said you get nervous when strangers greet you. Wouldn't know it seeing your interactions with fans at your competitions.
The best way to train and hit all areas, is to use linear periodization. Start around 15 reps and over the weeks, work down to 2-5. You'll strengthen both muscle and tendon while also training muscular endurance. Its a safer approach.
Wouldn't you want to flip it the other way around? Working with the heaviest weights at the start of the period when you're least fatigued and therefore the least likely to get injured.
@@itsasecret2298no because you're building up strength and skill by loading overtime, peaking then going back to lighter weights is like programming your whole program as a deload 😅.
You're building strength,technical skill, work capacity, muscle tissue by working up to heavier loads vs jumping straight to heavy loads that are exactly as heavy as you already could move anyway and then lifting lighter over time and expecting ti get get stronger.
Also jumping straight into heavy lifts without working up to them is way more likely to injury you
Very interesting man I like that Mitch asks the questions I want to know
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Excellent. Two of the best weight movers.
Mitch: “take any event for reps against Eddie and I’d have a bigger engine than him”
Eddie: takes 120lb dumbbells for 40 reps as his warmup for his overhead day, squats 750lbs for 15+ reps in comp, dominates all deadlift and OH events regardless of if it’s max or reps.
What an absurd statement to make from Mitch lol.
100% agree that he’d wipe the floor with Eddie in a loading race though
Swimming vs Marathon running as the aerobic base. Marathon runner has a bigger engine I think. Mitch wins.
The level keeps rising and Eddie wouldn't be the strongest anymore
It's PR.
@@Procharmo that doesn’t really matter. We have objective means of comparing. If you look at Eddie’s comp results vs Mitch’s on similar events, Eddie would likely come out on top. Not saying Mitch couldn’t win a static event against peak Eddie, but the spirit of the comment Mitch made was that Eddie wouldn’t stand a chance against him in a rep event, which is certainly not true.
@toomanyblocks8448 the level of the sport as a whole has risen, but the level of static strength has not risen much, and in the case of deadlift has actually dipped down among the top athletes. Eddie competed in the peak of static strength of the sport. I’m not saying Mitch couldn’t win a static rep event against Eddie, but the spirit of Mitch’s comment was that he would easily beat Eddie in a rep event, which is certainly not true. Peak Eddie wouldn’t stand still be at the top or near the top of any static event (deadlift, squat, overhead for either max or reps).
If Mike took a year to become an expert in strongman he would literally become an authority in it. He would beat Mitch Hooper for sure.
Yes as we all know Mike knows more about strength and bodybuilding than every single coach on the planet, he’s also bigger and stronger than Mike mentzer amd all he feels is rage
@cormacryan500 He is literally bigger and stronger than mike menzter though? If you disagree with that you are just delusional
@ but Mike loves to preach how you shouldn’t just follow what the biggest guy in the gym does, but then he also says to follow him over Mike mentzer because he’s “bigger and stronger”
@cormacryan500 he says this because deluded Mike Mentzer fan boys love to be like "well X does high intensity and he's bigger than you so it must work!"
For sure.
Greg Douchette definitely going to be reacting to this video
" what if it made you a better runner all around but hurt sprint" is what i feel about cardio. Everyone's on about not hurting gains, but what about my cardio gains? Gotta go hard sometimes for that + ultimately if your cardio is that much better you may have your heart chilling around 100-120 bpm at a power output others are gasping for air, making your dedicated muscle gain/ fat loss phase better. I'm not a body builder i do want good cardio. I'm not a cyclist i want the biceps even if it ain't aero.
2 TH-cam Goats right here.
One accomplished athlete with a great personality and one narcissistic loser with a phd
Loved this
Great interview both ways
This was a great question from Mitch on bicep strength. I have wondered the same. For years now, I have done a lot of back exercises (rows, pullups), which involved the biceps, but don't isolate the biceps. I always wonder if I should try to isolate the biceps to make them stronger. At the same time, I wonder like Mitch, if strengthening, growing, adding tension to that biceps, might endanger it more when doing exercises like the deadlift. For me, so far so good... But I am wondering if further strengthening the biceps would add greater balance and stability to all of my compound lifts...
It's the two angels on my shoulder...
Strong!
Jacked!
Ahĥhhhĥhhhh!
Don't forget Mike Israetel is bigger AND stronger than Mike Mentzer...
as much of a meme that is and considering his structure is trash, his legs, back and chest definitely seem bigger. he is also most likely stronger. bodybuilding is very dependent on muscle bellies, frame, structure and proportions.
@@98danielray I'm going to pretend your comment was ironic
and SMARTER
shots fired. Eddie will now challenge you to an MMa fight!
I Want To See Mariusz Vs Eddie First And Then Eddie Vs Mitchell
These are some solid hombres. Keep it up!
Remember Mike knows more than any coach ever.
I personally think his career is going to be on a steep decline. There are too many videos documenting his contradictions, equivocations, and half-baked lies and BS. He's a delusional lying bull-shitting narcisst.
He also owns 13 Lamborghinis, hell probably 14 by now.
Mike is a hof narcissist. Guy would talk back bout bodybuilding to jay cutler
@@jjjyli686he literally said Dorian Yates would’ve been better if he had trained like he did
His IQ is over 9000.
19:28 "Investing money... omg... that hits the Judaism." 😂
Awesome discussion 💪
That pec tear was brutal 5:06
The guy who tore his pec while incline bench pressing with larry wheels was Ryan Crowley, in case no one knew😁🫡
That bit about where strongman should go! Who are the best known strongman of the last 20 years . Z Eddie Thor and Brian
The reason being they were huge units and moved huge what’s that’s what strongman is to most ordinary people .
What about power bodybuilding in terms of tendon strength/growth?
I wish these videos were longer
Is this the dude that wants to fight raging killer dogs w his bare hands?
Yes it’s the crazy manlet with a crazy superiority complex who thinks he’s the greatest mind in building strength
I thought it was john john
@@DavidVirtanen both I think 😂
@@DavidVirtanen that boy with the metal plate in his jaw?
No
I enjoyed this
Beating Eddie in a moving event is possible but a rep event is a wild thing to say
Im a bodybuilder but I start leg day with 6 ezish sets to a heavy double squat then hypertrphy sets. Back day finishes with build up to heavy double on deads. 80% hypertrophic 20% meathead fun
I think it's great with all these collabs, but it's always someone asking Mike about stuff. This being a mutual admiration situation i'm sure, I'd love to hear what Mike would like to ask Mitch for once.
But according to Mike he already knows everything and his IQ is higher than every single coach in the world and he says he already knows everything, these interviews just further fuel Mikes idiotic delusions
@cormacryan500can you give us links to where he says he knows everything please?
@cormacryan500 hahaha
It isn't hard. Just keep up with the literature. It does, however, take a lot of thought to distill it for mass audiences. This isn't my field but I could know everything relevant in six months.
I can envision greg reacting to this and saying "half way real just like his tan"
Moose that dad strength shirt you wear sometimes is that your merch? Could you link where to buy?
holy shit is that the michael israel
Michael Israel and Michael Cooper finally together
To me his “full name” is always “Mike is a rat tail”
Thanks for making this video! It's very insightful and interesting.
Mitch isn’t deadlifting or pressing more reps of any weight of prime Eddie hall. He must be on a lot of gear for all this confidence 😂😂
In my opinion many catastrophic injuries are because of forces applied plus the wrong angle to your muscle as well as too heavy. Like a different or wrong position to what youve ever done before. Also muscles firing at the wrong time pulling against one another like a hamstring pull during a sprint. Because the quads were still engaged when the hammy contracted. Many factors can cause injury. But sttrong man athletes should always do extreme high rep days to bring blood flow blood flow brings nutrients to muscles
Isometrics! Train hard live peacefully 🔥✌👽🗿
This wasn't long enough!
In this video Dr. Mike blinked about 450 times, over a 100 more than Mitchell Hoopers 320 some blinks.
Training heavy builds the frame and muscles. This is why calisthenic athletes and gymnasts are muscular but not big. There is more to bodybuilding than building muscles
Dr mike: in my ophmore year i benched double bodyweight.
Mitchel: cool...
Like it is merely noteworthy
The same cool as in "hey, this is a shiny penny"
I’d rather have strong tendons and be strong than big and weak. That moment in your life when you need to save someone or even just move a couch will thank you for it.
it's hard to get big without getting strong
You heard it first here folks, bodybuilders aren't couch compatible
@@98coxl my couch had a fold-out foam mattress….anyone doing lie-flat arm curls with 10lb dumbbells should stay away on moving day.
@@onebluemonster239 that's some hardcore stuff man
Having a weight number to chase and improving strength each week has been such a big motivator. I don't get the desire to stand in front of a mirror for 2 hours and just do hypertrophy. That being said, everyones on their own journey so the only right way is your own.
Mike Isratael should unpack the truth behind his tan
Ouch
^ this tan troll shows up on every video. Lol
Im no expert or have any xp with but I could add througg observation that the supps and diet that bodybuilders use tend to dry you out and they're diet don't always provide optimal nutritional macros for peak strength like powerlifers and strongman who tend to eat more and not try to dry out. I mean supps aren't everything but I'd imagine there's a difference between strongman and bodybuilders.
what do you mean, chicken breast, rice and broccoli has absolutely everything an athlete would need.
Ask Mike how to tan
I have a question . Does 5x5 mean 5th rep is failure?I shouldn't be able to do 6th right ?
If you do 5x5 to failure you wouldn't get 5x5. First 5 to failure would probably make you only lift 3 or 4 reps on the next set
@leejohnston3204 okay thanks so much
There is a mix of the ideas of rpe and rir. Rpe i forget the acronym but it means how hard the workout feels. 1-10, 1 being walking to the fridge, 10 being it made you puke. Usual advice is to aim for 5-8 rpe most sessions. Rir is reps in reserve. In your program and/or based on how you feel you can adjust. A 9 rpe workout might have 1 rir, where you could barely get one more rep (high stimulus, high fatigue), a 5 rpe workout could have 3 or 4 rir (ok stimulus with low fatigue)
Every time I try to like Mitch, I'm disappointed by his self-aggrandizing and willingness to pretend he would've beaten other previous strongmen. Not a good look...comes across as insecure and arrogant...no need to diminish other strongmen's accomplishments.
I Agree Mitchell Is Glazing dr. mike Harder Than Last Time
Id love to see Dr Mike on JRE
I would most definitely not, seeing him spout his misinformation to the masses would seriously set fitness and bodybuilding back a century
@cormacryan500 Ah ok so judging by your comments you are just a blind Dr Mike hater. Can you give me an example of something that he spreads that is objective misinformation?
@cormacryan500 you mean what Joe Rogan’s show has done since the beginning of its existence? Lmao JRE is for delusional bro types that cling their masculinity to AR15s, Conspiracy Theories and approval from other rich men. 😂
@@josephmcgreevy9977 he says sleep is better than steroids, he says he has “permanent love handles” from when he used to be fat, he can’t tell the difference between careering water or fat, he constantly preaches super slow eccentrics
@cormacryan500ah yes, Joe Rogan. known to choose the finest people to propagate information around.
Oooo mitch spilling the tea 👀
Should have called it "Unracking the Truth"...
Dehydration is the enemy of performance
I 100% disagree with Mitch saying that the true worlds strongest man is the powerlifting world champion. That is simply the strongest in 3 specific movements for absolute load. Deadlifting, squatting and bench pressing. Whereas a comp like SMOE will test your strength across many more different disciplines and will test more aspects of strength including absolute strength, repetition strength, strength endurance, power output, etc. And all of the events there are very heavy to the point that a “weak” guy can’t win just by being more athletic (unlike smaller 5 event shows with some lighter events).
I Know Right, Well He Should Stop Calling Himself As The World's Strongest Man And The Strongest Man On Earth If That's The Case 🤷🏻
The worlds strongest man asking Mike Israetel how to get strong. Alright. Enough youtube for today.
He is just Hooping his Mitch while Mr Israetel Mikes all over him.
😂😂
Whats the issue here? Athletes have coaches for a reason, cause the coach often knows more than them despite not being as high level an athlete
@@josephmcgreevy9977Mike has no coached any successful strongman or powerlifters
@@MilosCrew OK and? Doesn't mean he doesn't have an extremely strong understanding of the science behind getting "strong". Mitchell can definitely learn a lot from him as he clearly agrees himself otherwise he wouldn't be continuely collabing with him specifically in formats that revolves around asking Dr Mike questions
lmao every video Mike is in, is just a meme now
TH-cam specialist a low blow
Amazing video as always👌
"Tell me a circus performer who's gotten rich" Rogue invitational 2024 had a crowd roughly the same size as what Penn & Teller filled out when they were on broadway as a duo. Don't want to hate on the athleticism aspect of strongman but you can't wave away circus performers.
Just because Penn Jillette is trained as a circus clown doesn't mean everything he's ever done is a circus act.
The only famous circus-style performers I can think of are the Flying Wallendas, and they got famous by leaving the circus and striking out on their own.
@@RobertHaul Cirque du Soleil
@ Clearly worlds strongest man was never a literal circus act either, it was always way different from strongman circus performers. They used that word to talk about the entertainment aspect of strongman vs the athleticism aspect.
Penn Jillette mostly does theatrical magic rather than circus magic but for this conversation I lob them together because it felt the point I was making was klinda obvious considering the context.
I wouldn't want to make strongman about strength either when you look at people like Brian Shaw
Now bring Greg to the party
Mike would literally choke him out if Greg was in front of him
Mike is FOS
Miketchell
Dope.
Dr Mike blink if u are forced to do this
Dr Mike:
I LOVE THIS DUO I WANT MORE OF IT.
Stiff and strong 🥵
If your biceps weak it'll tear, if it's strong it'll tear... God damn 😂
Michell should be careful when he says he hates the fame and recognition. The fitness community can knock you down as fast as they brought you up.
Mike isratael should unpack the truth about his tan
The Truth ™
now mike in one year will be the champ and you will loose hooper.... why you challenge Dr Mike....hi greg
Mitch is 100% right. Powerlifting is the strongest and least watched sport. Why would you want strongman to copy that?
They Are Not The Strongest Not Even Close
@@DavidVirtanenin those specific strict movements they are.
@@98danielraySo How Do You Explain a Strongman Holding The Max Deadlift World Record? 😂😂😂🤷🏻💪🏻😏
@@DavidVirtanenDanny grisby has the raw deadlift record tho and he is a power lifter so your wrong.
@@DavidVirtanenalso strongman use straps and single/mutiply suits and hitching non of which are allowed in powerlifting
Mike Nice
Remember Eddie got worlds strongest man to change events because 1 month ahead due to he injuries
Which event was this ? Oh right it dosnt matter he won the squat the ohp and the deadlift with a 472.5 kg in the penultimate event . Therefore he was the strongest . How can anyone complain at that years events .
There a true test of strength not some shitty dumbbell press or keg toss
Remember that the only reason hooper is even close to any log or overhead record is because he split jerks to be able to cheese it doing a completely different lift then record holders
If Dr Mike is such an expert, why couldn’t he earn a pro card?
Did I hear Mike say that 3 to 6 reps would get you stronger but not by growong any muscle? I hear ovet and over on utube that the best hypertrophy range starts at 5 reps.
You're going to "grow muscle" even doing 1RM lifts. The "hypertrophy range" of roughly 5-30 reps is where studies have shown the subjects tended to grow muscle at roughly equivalent/indistinguishable rates regardless of reps.
3-6 reps will do more to increase absolute force output but 5-30 will cause more hypertrophy. If you go back and watch the video, I think Mike even said here that strength brings hypertrophy and hypertrophy brings strength but different rep ranges will prioritize one over the other.
He doesnt mean it literally.
you were corrected by 3 folks, I just hope you arent a blind hater.