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Just as a correction, Arms still needs a swing timer because while Slam does not reset your auto attack timer anymore, while slam is casting your auto attack will not go through.
@WillE You completely left out Blood DK from this video. It is not a tank-only spec in Wrath. That is Cata and later. Every DK spec is capable of tanking and Blood is definitely not the best in every scenario.
If you are taking an arms warrior is really only because you don't have a rogue who wants to spec combat. Most raids will take a combat rogue for EA and not take any dps warriors at all. Even in icc warrior requires Shadowmorn to keep up on damage much like a Pala. Who really cares about ICC after the first clear.
Could you seriously stop spreading misinformation about Blood DKs not being able to DPS just because they are undertuned. They aren't the best but comparing them to stuff like Spellpower Enhance and DPS Holy Priest is straight up idiotic.
@@krowaswieta7944 No one sane would still play this 15 year old life consuming garbage game lmao Like, how can you even call one insane when you still feel the need to waste your life on this 15 year old wannabe mobile game?
I really like this format youre using with the star rating. Keep rolling with this idea. As a tank main I would like to see a tank vid but honestly, I am happy to watch any new vid you create
Hey man I appreciate all of these videos. I'm new to classic & these have helped a lot. I think your editing is great & the information is concise with just the added amount of cheeky jokes thrown in without being distracting or some over the top zoomer-esque off-putting nonsense. Well done 👏
please stop advertising spellhance as a thing. it's based on private server numbers where flametongue and fire nova were a lot stronger than they are in classic. they have a small niche in phase 1, but fall off hard in later phases. and even in p1 it's not a full SP build, more like a few items
Over my time in TBC Classic, I've come to see, even more so than before, how there's a big difference between "playing well" and "doing high dps". So many people take advantage of addons, guides etc. to become really good at "pushing numbers", but still lack some of the things that makes for "playing well". People can even get pretty efficient at pushing numbers with classes that have a high complexity playstyle, and they demand a certain "cred" for doing so. But then suddenly something unforeseen happens...aaaand it all falls apart. Doing anything besides their rotations? Reacting to a situation? No, that's not THEIR job. There might be some level of "cool points" to be had from playing a more complex spec or class, but personally, I much prefer when people find a class/spec they find EASY to play, and have mental capacity to spare for when things don't go perfectly. There's a lot to be said for players being able to use their full compliment of abilities to help out the group, rather than just pushing numbers. Aaaanyway. These were just some idle thoughts about wow and specs. At the end of the day, having fun is the most important thing. :)
Exactly my experience with Classic (as in, vanilla Clasic) as an enhancer through the entire expansion. I wasn't wanted for the DPS but apparently I did the mechanics correct which the warriors or rogues just ignored and got them killed. "Bring the player, not the class" is more of a mindset instead of a set rule.
I know parsing guilds are known for this kind of thing, but I've had endless experiences with parsing guilds where there is so much boundary to recruitment and a certain type of blindness from the GM: whether it's a lack of social skills, obsession with how much gear you have, or that you "aren't the class for their raid comp", and inevitably they all have super shitty attitudes and are guilds full of dipshits. It's fascinating, really. And these same guilds end up with drama because "their members don't communicate properly" but will reject you easily, even if they like you, because you don't fit their raid comp (eg, we have too many warriors, AKA they have two, LOL). Most guilds I would join instantly because of the community, and I'm capable of top parsing on WCL... it isn't hard. And these same parsing guilds "ask you for your WCL log stats" and think that shit matters, LOL.
@@martij30 I remember we had a couple of warriors/rogues in lvl60 classic that could put up some of the highest DPS on the entire server (both horde and alliance side) but they would play so aggro that they would die and lose worldbuffs half the time. Like literally floor POV. If you took their net average dps across every raid, they were probably dealing less average dps than literally every other player of their class. Yet, they were praised and lauded for being able to put up such insane numbers, and other players would forget about how often the aggro players were just... dead on the ground. It boggles the mind. So yeah. I agree, bring the player over the class. Get people that will actually properly do mechanics instead of yolo in and die just so they can do big sometimes do somewhat larger numbers than usual.
@@korvokorvo Exactly. The worst was when it happened at 4 Horsemen or any other encounters that required enough people to finish. One of our raid leads would say "just sit on your hands" and she was so right.
Excatly the problem with minmaxing games now at days.. People think they get better but in reality they suck a$$! They rely too much on theory and not practice.
I love all the videos and guides saying not to stack shamans in raids (aimed at 25 man's), GL having enough shamans exist for the three 10 man splits each week! :')
They are correct though, you don’t stack Shaman or really any class to the degree that you did in Vanilla or TBC. There will always be enough Shaman though. Ele is one of the best PvP specs, Enhance is pretty good and Resto get better as the expansion goes on.
@@GROWL211 yes? ele is the hardest bursting arena spec period and probably the most common pvp spec short of ret paladin and mm hunter the same reason they’re bad in pve is why they’re so good in pvp. big burst in a small window with tons of CC and utility from totems
14 years later and I STILL hate dual-wield Frost DK gameplay. I hate the fact they shoved that shit down our throats. A DK was always mean to use a big 2h weapon. Not piddle around with a pair of midget blades.
You claim rogues are the easiest dps to play? Death knights are literally 6 levels old and destroying level 66-67 warriors in world pvp. Four buttons and anyone can be a dk god
The Bear-weaving is certainly a Classic idea and it's to eek out all the possible damage. Lacerate benefits from Mangle so it's another bleed. Feral is the min-max, OCD dream in Wrath. Damn, I miss it when I talk about it. Can I go back to being 20 with so much free time. Being 40 and having bills, a job, etc. 😭
I mained feral throghout the first 6 months of Shadowlands. I feel you completely. Weaving is not anything particularly new. Ah well. Wish i was 20 again
I feel like Enhancement should have gotten a 6/5 on complexity. As a ex-fury warrior who boosted an enhance to be our guild's shaman for WotLK; OMG I have no idea what I'm doing half the time and the other half is pure luck. 5/5 doesn't convey the ridiculousness of spell-weaving your autos and managing your mana constantly while managing totems. Also SO MANY BUTTONS OMG
Yeah i started leveling one in shadowlands recently and let me just say, it's very fun, but extremely complex. The primal lava actuators / necrolord funnel build is so satisfying in m+. As opposed to my actual main Fury warrior which is just 2 aoe openers, bloodthirst, raging blows, and rampage
@@reuterss306 Well because if you dont have the ui setup which I dont cause its just an alt for me you need to track basically everything from procs/buffs-debuffs-totem uptime and ability cooldowns which makes it tiresome to play not hard really..
i just swapped to enhance its not that hard to be fair maintain your magma totem/flame shock, earth shock if you have the fire shock debuff on the target, use maelstrom stacks if you have 3+ stacks which shouldnt reset your swing timer and use fire ele and wolves off cd and use shamanistic rage off cd, stormstrike over lava lash, lava lash is your least prio abitliy its the last thing you press for dmg enhance got a lot ezr in pre patch.
Just a heads up. Spellhance is the memey name for it. No rotation changes or anything other than a few items. It’s still enhance with just some more crit and spell power. The reason you use the off pieces and the main hand if you’re going to do it is because those items are the ones you can get away with sacrificing AP for SP. mental quickness gives us SP so you don’t want to focus on all SP gear. Rings, trinket, MH weapon, and the neck possibly. Otherwise it’s mostly just a AoE gear set.
I'm saying it right know : Arms warrior is being slept on. It's much better than fury at the start and has a similar scaling as fury as the expansion progresses, minus the stats of the second weapon of course (but it still has a shadowmourne, don't forget !). Its gameplay is much more involved, single target is a lot of rage management and cleave/aoe has some complexity (you have like 4-5 different abilities you can choose depending of the size/duration of packs and rage). That means you can get more out of it with if you can play the spec well. Yes fury is broken, but in my experience, good arms players will never be very far behind, so don't respec so fast warrior boys. Spellhance is the same. The scaling is great, but only if you master the spec because the gameplay becomes very fast and complex. And also for cat, bearweaving is real thing, people have been doing it and getting stupidly high numbers on private servers for years now. Brace yourselves for a lot of very angry cats.
Nice video, I like your content. But I think that there are quite some logic errors here which can be pointed out just by looking at utility: How can Warrior (both specs) have 3 stars utility and assassin rogue as well? Warrior brings commanding shout, Sunder Armor, 4% physical or 5% crit, demo shout if necessary, bleeding debuff (arms)... How can that be equal to rogue? Looking at damage in early stage: Retri 3 stars which was literally called "dog shit" from Rugsz, while warrior got 1? If Warrior gets 1, retri gets 1. Easy as it is. Pity, that there are such big flaws in the video. As I said, I like your content!
Hey, i know thats sort of a meme but u mentioned sub rogue as vaiable option soo.... u shoud also mention blood dk as dps. They are poorly weak until armor penetration cap but after that, their dps is pretty good, I'm not saying that they are S-tier, but still viable option on late ToC & ICC. As if it comes to raid utility, they bring 10% AP increase. Beond that thats one great pice of a video to wach keep it up!
leveled in 2019 and I'm now leveling again. This is the only guide that's helped me decided on what class I choose to play. I love the ratings and how you broke down each class. Looking forward to seeing the ranged dps one next!!
Why does everyone think the assassination rogue is the simplest spec? You have to maintain 3 buffs, use a lot of burst cd, use survival cd and run for a boss in dynamic fights. Any range dd is much more easier than rogue. If rogue complexity is 1, then mage/warlock/hunter/boomkin/shadowpriest/elesham complexity is -3 or less
I would hard disagree sub rogue's are 3 on complexity. They would be on 5. You need like so many macro's and there's the extra shadow dance bar along with your usual stealth bar and just so many tools to control someone which is what the spec is all about. Dmg isnt what you choose this spec for.
Put each class/spec's ratings up together at the end, so that if i don't want to keep every single one in working memory, i can get a refresher at the end, please.
I actually enjoyed the mechanic of power shifting as feral. Currently I am tending to pla enhancer or spellhancer. I don't like that you can get kited a lot in PvP though.
On thing I don‘t understand when it comes to ulduar item buffs is how much certain classes will rly be affected. Some of those meeles rly popped off because with tier 9 we got a lot of armor pen. Buffed ulduar gear still does not have this
I really don't understand the "ret is ez" meme. Frost DK is simpler, both rogue specs are simpler, fury is literally the same gameplay (hit your ST and WW on cd, hit the cast-time thing when you have the insta proc) and arms is only slightly more complex because it matters when you storm. Boggles my mind how every time someone mentions ret they compulsively say it's faceroll. Literally every melee except feral and minmax'd unholy are faceroll. Enhance doesn't count because... who plays enhance?
how people think assassination's rotation goes: mutilate, envenom how it actually is: tricks, sprint, prepot, stealth, mutilate, cancel tricks, slice and dice, hunger for blood, blood fury, mutilate twice then pool energy for CB envenom but don't let S&D drop and don't cap energy, don't forget to vanish and use thistle tea when your trinkets proc again, don't forget to reapply tricks and hfb when it drops... oh and all your buffs will drop during air phase, so you need to do it all over again when it lands... oh and use feint on cooldown for extra poison procs if you have the feint glyph.
I only got 1 comment... Sure Arms is probably better in any PVP then fury, but just saying, "Why would you play Fury if you have arms" is pretty darn stupid, I find ARMS so incredibly boring and easy to play that it literally pains me to play it, so I don't really care about the dmg meters
Vengeance was a thing in cata, not wotlk. Although bears being able to dish out competitive dps in cat form when offtanking is a much welcome qol change.
I remember fury doing 6k+ dps in naxx 25 gear so I can't see it being THAT bad. Make it sound like they're going to be complete shit. Can't have everyone be DKs
And the ability to temporarily tank a boss. Saved enough attempts in HM Ulduar back in the day. Feral brings the most utility imho. Ability to spec swap to heal or tank when needed. Brez. Heals through LotP. Etc. My favorite time tanking as a feral was BC. My favorite time dpsing as a feral was Wrath.
honestly i think arms is underrated scaling wise and it kinda makes me sad ngl that arms whenever ive been interested in playing it has always been kinda meh im not interested in using two 2H weapons all the time sometimes i just want to use two 1Hs or 1 2H and well truthfully fuck pvp i dislike pvp in mmos usually i stopped enjoying them after a few weeks of being in top end gear both in vanilla to wrath and classic-TBCC its just kinda meh in most mmos with a few exceptions in my own likes and dislikes
the other caviat to stacking ret at any point is that you likely already have a prot pally mt and 2 holy pallys as well as stacking warlocks. so tier is going to be BRUTAL
I still wonder if going Ret was a wise choice for me, I know everyone says it's OP in Wotlk and while leveling to 70 I definitely saw myself topping dps meters constantly. But now at 70, I'm seeing the gap forming between myself and other dps classes. And I fear it's only going to get wider as things go on. I always wanted to play Paladin in TBC but the playstyle never clicked with me, I hated seal twisting so much, feeling like you have to cheese the game mechanics to do good dps never felt rewarding no matter how many times people tried to convince me it was 'intended' so ended up playing rogue instead and loving it, now I feel like I'm stuck between two dps classes that are fairly simple but wildly different. I'm terrible with Paladin's in pvp, despite everyone telling me I can 2v1 easily I get destoryed. Yet with rogues I was consistently able to burst people down and make use of my kit to get away or stun multiple targets.
in what world is there more to unholy than to frost dk gameplay wise? frost requires way more attention and the dps difference between a good vs average player of the two specs is way bigger for frost lol
The is everyone sleeping on Blood Death Knight as a dps? In this expansion all 3 specs can be tank or dps, and they can do the job well, especially at the tier of player that gets their info from quick breakdown vids like this. No offense to the quality of the content, I love the channel and think you do great work, but Blood DK isn't just for tanking.
You can verify this by using the Wayback Machine and checking Elitist Jerks, which was THE site for learning about playing at the time. Many articles about DKs and Blood even used to be the highest outputting DK DPS spec. It tapered off slightly compared to the other two at the very end of the expansion at higher gear levels.
As enhance, SP items are not the way to go for slots other than your Wep for this tier. AP translates to Spell Dmg and is still essential with other stats. I use no SP gear other than Titansteel wep and sit comfy at 1900 bonus before procs (just double Flametounge up). Hit, expertise, AP, Haste, Crit all still wonderful and works much better balancing physical dmg and spell dmg.
While dk can surely tank in all three specs. The DMG of blood DPS leaves a bit to be desired. It is not as bad as subtlety Rogue is, to compare it to another class. Edit: if you count only boss DMG, then yes blood can compete, but overall is where it's at.
Eh, Blood is fine all the way through as DPS. ArmPen helps a lot and it moves it really high up the charts as the game goes on. But really, just play whatever you want! This is re-released content and anyone min-maxing it is probably a turbonerd.
If you are trying to tank serious content as frost or ESPECIALLY unholy, you are a detriment to your group that has chosen to be worse on purpose than blood.
Arms warriors are not longers best in PVP, titans grip fury with legendary to duel wield wth will dominated the floor, classes are "balance" if you play right spec/build
kinda underplaying utility of the warrior against a druid arent you? Ignoring Rampage (5% crit buff for the raid) which is the same as leader of the pack. Plus the minimum 1 warrior for Commanding Shout or 2 Warrs for Battle Shout aswell. Demo shout is good too.
Rampage is from fury spec and a raid would more than likely pass up a fury warrior for a Druid being that the Druid will 9/10 outperform the (fury) warrior. As far as battleshout you more than likely will have more than 1 pally in a 25 man roster to do kings and might which makes battleshout less important. So I’d say his assessment was pretty accurate.
@@eddiebullwinkletm5858 for early yes. but later on its not. but as arms you have the increased bleed and 4% phys dmg increase which ull will get later from combat but thats at the timing where arms will switch to fury anyway. Demo Shout and armor shred are a thing aswell. Just saying that he is underplaying it not that its awesome. and the pally argument may count for 25 man but not really for 10 mans since u wont stack 3 palas in those groups because of the loot
I agree 100% but this video is more focused on early wotlk gameplay. He did mention later on fury will be a better choice. You are right though with 10 man
Melee scaling depends entirely on how good armor penetration is for them. Specs like Assa, Enha, Unholy fall off a bit in ICC because their magic damage is a big % of their total and as such, armor pen is worse for them than for other classes like fury/combat/feral. regarding enhancement: their single target damage does scale pretty well into ICC mostly because ABSOLUTELY NO ONE needs the gear they need. Their aoe falls off a cliff in TOC and never recovers.
Ret Paladin is the true hero class. They do SO much damage to undead, which is basically the entire expansion. 4 button spec, you press whatever comes of CD first, and it's the same for single or AoE fights. The REAL ones know how Seal of Command hits (as in, it goes left to right, or right to left I don't recall atm) and if you position correctly and swing the right direction you win.
As a Rogue Main since Vanilla i can underline your Statement. Combat starts good in all early Expansions an gets Top Tier in later Tiers cause of scaling. Had always the "Charakterdevelopment" feeling for me cause the playstyle always comes full circle at the End of the Expansion
Its really refreshing watching these videos of essentially 'speculation' of what will preform the best. Mostly accurate, but seeing the difference due to meta changes and new techniques is crazy. (rewatch the rogue and UH DK portions and compare to logs at this pt, 1.5months into the expac)
Maybe I'm just biased, but I feel the combat utility that any druid can bring (tranquility, battle rez, innervate, the ability to actually shift to emergency heal/tank) warrants more than 3 stars for utility.
Idk about frost being as easy as you say. It's very easy to mess up your rotation and severely hurt your dps becuase of it. In theory it's easy in practice you have to play it very well
remember hearing all this about druids back in wrath but tbh its not that bad and you PUMP ferals are sleeper class not that hard to play with right addons
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Just as a correction, Arms still needs a swing timer because while Slam does not reset your auto attack timer anymore, while slam is casting your auto attack will not go through.
@WillE You completely left out Blood DK from this video. It is not a tank-only spec in Wrath. That is Cata and later. Every DK spec is capable of tanking and Blood is definitely not the best in every scenario.
If you are taking an arms warrior is really only because you don't have a rogue who wants to spec combat. Most raids will take a combat rogue for EA and not take any dps warriors at all. Even in icc warrior requires Shadowmorn to keep up on damage much like a Pala. Who really cares about ICC after the first clear.
Could you seriously stop spreading misinformation about Blood DKs not being able to DPS just because they are undertuned. They aren't the best but comparing them to stuff like Spellpower Enhance and DPS Holy Priest is straight up idiotic.
right? where is blood LOL
Blood dk as dps sucks and no one sane would ever play it.
Spellhancer does more dmg than enha. And in fact should be high on every dps list. Thanks.
@@krowaswieta7944 No one sane would still play this 15 year old life consuming garbage game lmao
Like, how can you even call one insane when you still feel the need to waste your life on this 15 year old wannabe mobile game?
@@MoonTurky I call insane people, who go under videos of topics they don't like and try to tell people, that they too should not like it
@@MoonTurky XD?????
What is the differnece between wasting time on 15 years old game and wasting time on 2 months old game?
I really like this format youre using with the star rating. Keep rolling with this idea.
As a tank main I would like to see a tank vid but honestly, I am happy to watch any new vid you create
I just watched a video of his of this same style for tanks
Hey man I appreciate all of these videos. I'm new to classic & these have helped a lot. I think your editing is great & the information is concise with just the added amount of cheeky jokes thrown in without being distracting or some over the top zoomer-esque off-putting nonsense.
Well done 👏
please stop advertising spellhance as a thing. it's based on private server numbers where flametongue and fire nova were a lot stronger than they are in classic.
they have a small niche in phase 1, but fall off hard in later phases. and even in p1 it's not a full SP build, more like a few items
Healers next!!
Over my time in TBC Classic, I've come to see, even more so than before, how there's a big difference between "playing well" and "doing high dps". So many people take advantage of addons, guides etc. to become really good at "pushing numbers", but still lack some of the things that makes for "playing well". People can even get pretty efficient at pushing numbers with classes that have a high complexity playstyle, and they demand a certain "cred" for doing so. But then suddenly something unforeseen happens...aaaand it all falls apart. Doing anything besides their rotations? Reacting to a situation? No, that's not THEIR job. There might be some level of "cool points" to be had from playing a more complex spec or class, but personally, I much prefer when people find a class/spec they find EASY to play, and have mental capacity to spare for when things don't go perfectly. There's a lot to be said for players being able to use their full compliment of abilities to help out the group, rather than just pushing numbers.
Aaaanyway. These were just some idle thoughts about wow and specs. At the end of the day, having fun is the most important thing. :)
Exactly my experience with Classic (as in, vanilla Clasic) as an enhancer through the entire expansion. I wasn't wanted for the DPS but apparently I did the mechanics correct which the warriors or rogues just ignored and got them killed.
"Bring the player, not the class" is more of a mindset instead of a set rule.
I know parsing guilds are known for this kind of thing, but I've had endless experiences with parsing guilds where there is so much boundary to recruitment and a certain type of blindness from the GM: whether it's a lack of social skills, obsession with how much gear you have, or that you "aren't the class for their raid comp", and inevitably they all have super shitty attitudes and are guilds full of dipshits. It's fascinating, really. And these same guilds end up with drama because "their members don't communicate properly" but will reject you easily, even if they like you, because you don't fit their raid comp (eg, we have too many warriors, AKA they have two, LOL).
Most guilds I would join instantly because of the community, and I'm capable of top parsing on WCL... it isn't hard. And these same parsing guilds "ask you for your WCL log stats" and think that shit matters, LOL.
@@martij30 I remember we had a couple of warriors/rogues in lvl60 classic that could put up some of the highest DPS on the entire server (both horde and alliance side) but they would play so aggro that they would die and lose worldbuffs half the time. Like literally floor POV. If you took their net average dps across every raid, they were probably dealing less average dps than literally every other player of their class. Yet, they were praised and lauded for being able to put up such insane numbers, and other players would forget about how often the aggro players were just... dead on the ground. It boggles the mind.
So yeah. I agree, bring the player over the class. Get people that will actually properly do mechanics instead of yolo in and die just so they can do big sometimes do somewhat larger numbers than usual.
@@korvokorvo Exactly. The worst was when it happened at 4 Horsemen or any other encounters that required enough people to finish.
One of our raid leads would say "just sit on your hands" and she was so right.
Excatly the problem with minmaxing games now at days.. People think they get better but in reality they suck a$$!
They rely too much on theory and not practice.
I love all the videos and guides saying not to stack shamans in raids (aimed at 25 man's), GL having enough shamans exist for the three 10 man splits each week! :')
They are correct though, you don’t stack Shaman or really any class to the degree that you did in Vanilla or TBC. There will always be enough Shaman though. Ele is one of the best PvP specs, Enhance is pretty good and Resto get better as the expansion goes on.
@@brandonkruse6412 >Ele is one of the best PvP specs
wat.
@@GROWL211 yes? ele is the hardest bursting arena spec period and probably the most common pvp spec short of ret paladin and mm hunter
the same reason they’re bad in pve is why they’re so good in pvp. big burst in a small window with tons of CC and utility from totems
14 years later and I STILL hate dual-wield Frost DK gameplay. I hate the fact they shoved that shit down our throats. A DK was always mean to use a big 2h weapon. Not piddle around with a pair of midget blades.
Well put together and simple to understand. Thank you for the overview
Good format, I find people tend to enjoy types of gameplay, like melee, range, tank heal so this is great for comparing
You claim rogues are the easiest dps to play? Death knights are literally 6 levels old and destroying level 66-67 warriors in world pvp. Four buttons and anyone can be a dk god
The Bear-weaving is certainly a Classic idea and it's to eek out all the possible damage. Lacerate benefits from Mangle so it's another bleed. Feral is the min-max, OCD dream in Wrath. Damn, I miss it when I talk about it. Can I go back to being 20 with so much free time. Being 40 and having bills, a job, etc. 😭
I mained feral throghout the first 6 months of Shadowlands. I feel you completely. Weaving is not anything particularly new. Ah well. Wish i was 20 again
I feel like Enhancement should have gotten a 6/5 on complexity.
As a ex-fury warrior who boosted an enhance to be our guild's shaman for WotLK;
OMG I have no idea what I'm doing half the time and the other half is pure luck.
5/5 doesn't convey the ridiculousness of spell-weaving your autos and managing your mana constantly while managing totems.
Also SO MANY BUTTONS OMG
I played enhancement alt in BC and now in wrath I feel like you just need a VERY good set of weakauras to play properly let alone good.
@@КрасимирПетков-ц8ь its an easy af prio list...dunno why ppl say its hard
Yeah i started leveling one in shadowlands recently and let me just say, it's very fun, but extremely complex. The primal lava actuators / necrolord funnel build is so satisfying in m+. As opposed to my actual main Fury warrior which is just 2 aoe openers, bloodthirst, raging blows, and rampage
@@reuterss306 Well because if you dont have the ui setup which I dont cause its just an alt for me you need to track basically everything from procs/buffs-debuffs-totem uptime and ability cooldowns which makes it tiresome to play not hard really..
i just swapped to enhance its not that hard to be fair maintain your magma totem/flame shock, earth shock if you have the fire shock debuff on the target, use maelstrom stacks if you have 3+ stacks which shouldnt reset your swing timer and use fire ele and wolves off cd and use shamanistic rage off cd, stormstrike over lava lash, lava lash is your least prio abitliy its the last thing you press for dmg enhance got a lot ezr in pre patch.
Great vid man!! would love to see the ranged version next! really loved the star/rating system you used, while keeping a good clip throughout
yep, ranged please!
Nice video, I am hyped for the range dps
Thank you very much for your great work! I'd love to have a disc priest in depth guide: What spells are used when and are they mana efficient yes/no
Rogues are going to slap in AOE, def missed the mark there.
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Hope for the healers next! Thanks for the amazing video
Just a heads up. Spellhance is the memey name for it. No rotation changes or anything other than a few items. It’s still enhance with just some more crit and spell power. The reason you use the off pieces and the main hand if you’re going to do it is because those items are the ones you can get away with sacrificing AP for SP. mental quickness gives us SP so you don’t want to focus on all SP gear. Rings, trinket, MH weapon, and the neck possibly. Otherwise it’s mostly just a AoE gear set.
Great review - thanks! It must have taken ages to put that all together 👍
I played a frost tank until patch 3.3 ruined that
greate video, wanna see range in wotlk classic
Great video, do healers next please
Awesome work as always WillE! looking forward to heal and tank for Wotlk. Ty!
Can't wait to absolutely suck at Feral just because it's fun anyways :D Gonna learn as I go
I'm saying it right know : Arms warrior is being slept on. It's much better than fury at the start and has a similar scaling as fury as the expansion progresses, minus the stats of the second weapon of course (but it still has a shadowmourne, don't forget !). Its gameplay is much more involved, single target is a lot of rage management and cleave/aoe has some complexity (you have like 4-5 different abilities you can choose depending of the size/duration of packs and rage). That means you can get more out of it with if you can play the spec well.
Yes fury is broken, but in my experience, good arms players will never be very far behind, so don't respec so fast warrior boys.
Spellhance is the same. The scaling is great, but only if you master the spec because the gameplay becomes very fast and complex.
And also for cat, bearweaving is real thing, people have been doing it and getting stupidly high numbers on private servers for years now. Brace yourselves for a lot of very angry cats.
Tanks please Will-E love this format!
Why does wow only have one physical ranged class?
lovely video would like to see ranged dps next video!!
Nice video, I like your content. But I think that there are quite some logic errors here which can be pointed out just by looking at utility: How can Warrior (both specs) have 3 stars utility and assassin rogue as well? Warrior brings commanding shout, Sunder Armor, 4% physical or 5% crit, demo shout if necessary, bleeding debuff (arms)... How can that be equal to rogue?
Looking at damage in early stage: Retri 3 stars which was literally called "dog shit" from Rugsz, while warrior got 1? If Warrior gets 1, retri gets 1. Easy as it is.
Pity, that there are such big flaws in the video. As I said, I like your content!
Hey, i know thats sort of a meme but u mentioned sub rogue as vaiable option soo.... u shoud also mention blood dk as dps. They are poorly weak until armor penetration cap but after that, their dps is pretty good, I'm not saying that they are S-tier, but still viable option on late ToC & ICC. As if it comes to raid utility, they bring 10% AP increase. Beond that thats one great pice of a video to wach keep it up!
leveled in 2019 and I'm now leveling again. This is the only guide that's helped me decided on what class I choose to play. I love the ratings and how you broke down each class. Looking forward to seeing the ranged dps one next!!
Why does everyone think the assassination rogue is the simplest spec? You have to maintain 3 buffs, use a lot of burst cd, use survival cd and run for a boss in dynamic fights. Any range dd is much more easier than rogue. If rogue complexity is 1, then mage/warlock/hunter/boomkin/shadowpriest/elesham complexity is -3 or less
I would hard disagree sub rogue's are 3 on complexity. They would be on 5. You need like so many macro's and there's the extra shadow dance bar along with your usual stealth bar and just so many tools to control someone which is what the spec is all about. Dmg isnt what you choose this spec for.
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Misinformation, blood dk tanks usually go into icy talons for the raid buff when they go 43-26-2 on talents
Put each class/spec's ratings up together at the end, so that if i don't want to keep every single one in working memory, i can get a refresher at the end, please.
I actually enjoyed the mechanic of power shifting as feral. Currently I am tending to pla enhancer or spellhancer. I don't like that you can get kited a lot in PvP though.
On thing I don‘t understand when it comes to ulduar item buffs is how much certain classes will rly be affected.
Some of those meeles rly popped off because with tier 9 we got a lot of armor pen. Buffed ulduar gear still does not have this
I really don't understand the "ret is ez" meme. Frost DK is simpler, both rogue specs are simpler, fury is literally the same gameplay (hit your ST and WW on cd, hit the cast-time thing when you have the insta proc) and arms is only slightly more complex because it matters when you storm. Boggles my mind how every time someone mentions ret they compulsively say it's faceroll. Literally every melee except feral and minmax'd unholy are faceroll. Enhance doesn't count because... who plays enhance?
how people think assassination's rotation goes: mutilate, envenom
how it actually is: tricks, sprint, prepot, stealth, mutilate, cancel tricks, slice and dice, hunger for blood, blood fury, mutilate twice then pool energy for CB envenom but don't let S&D drop and don't cap energy, don't forget to vanish and use thistle tea when your trinkets proc again, don't forget to reapply tricks and hfb when it drops... oh and all your buffs will drop during air phase, so you need to do it all over again when it lands... oh and use feint on cooldown for extra poison procs if you have the feint glyph.
You didn't mention Commanding Shout / Trauma in Arm's utility-
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Sure Arms is probably better in any PVP then fury, but just saying, "Why would you play Fury if you have arms" is pretty darn stupid, I find ARMS so incredibly boring and easy to play that it literally pains me to play it, so I don't really care about the dmg meters
Feral in wrath is also the tank spec, this means you can use vengence as a cat after switching from bear.
Vengeance was a thing in cata, not wotlk. Although bears being able to dish out competitive dps in cat form when offtanking is a much welcome qol change.
I remember fury doing 6k+ dps in naxx 25 gear so I can't see it being THAT bad. Make it sound like they're going to be complete shit. Can't have everyone be DKs
Ferals also bring improved leader of the pack which heals anyone if they crit with melee or ranged attack for 4% of health.
And the ability to temporarily tank a boss. Saved enough attempts in HM Ulduar back in the day. Feral brings the most utility imho. Ability to spec swap to heal or tank when needed. Brez. Heals through LotP. Etc. My favorite time tanking as a feral was BC. My favorite time dpsing as a feral was Wrath.
honestly i think arms is underrated scaling wise and it kinda makes me sad ngl that arms whenever ive been interested in playing it has always been kinda meh im not interested in using two 2H weapons all the time sometimes i just want to use two 1Hs or 1 2H and well truthfully fuck pvp i dislike pvp in mmos usually i stopped enjoying them after a few weeks of being in top end gear both in vanilla to wrath and classic-TBCC its just kinda meh in most mmos with a few exceptions in my own likes and dislikes
Really cool idea. RANGE NEXT please
@WillE is that you?
What the hell are those keybinds on the Warrior?
Paladin : Can be the best Class due to Utility, but people cant even buff Bo K/M/W in Pugs.
yeah... i frost tank.
I think this more Digestible format is going to be a very good thing for your channel
the other caviat to stacking ret at any point is that you likely already have a prot pally mt and 2 holy pallys as well as stacking warlocks. so tier is going to be BRUTAL
As a guy whose two mains are a Paladin and Warlock, this hits home
@@Srelathon yeah raid comps rough rn XD
Warrior will be fine.
BRO, just a quick note for ret (DO NOT , I REPEAT DO NOT PLAY WITHOUT DISAC OR AURA MASTERY ) !!
I still wonder if going Ret was a wise choice for me, I know everyone says it's OP in Wotlk and while leveling to 70 I definitely saw myself topping dps meters constantly. But now at 70, I'm seeing the gap forming between myself and other dps classes. And I fear it's only going to get wider as things go on. I always wanted to play Paladin in TBC but the playstyle never clicked with me, I hated seal twisting so much, feeling like you have to cheese the game mechanics to do good dps never felt rewarding no matter how many times people tried to convince me it was 'intended' so ended up playing rogue instead and loving it, now I feel like I'm stuck between two dps classes that are fairly simple but wildly different. I'm terrible with Paladin's in pvp, despite everyone telling me I can 2v1 easily I get destoryed. Yet with rogues I was consistently able to burst people down and make use of my kit to get away or stun multiple targets.
Rogue and paladin are both super fun and super great in wrath. I mailed them both in the original and they will be 2 of my mains again!
excuse me sir u forgot melee hunter
Wheres the blood dps :c
Hoping for healers next, but I'll watch them all anyway :)
Loved the video. Please do healers and tanks.
imo, a bit unfair on the enhance. In pvp, if played well, its a beast
Idk, maybe bring up the points that he missed? You’re not really saying anything of use here.
Who's going to tell Willie about the AoE spec rogues have now?
in what world is there more to unholy than to frost dk gameplay wise? frost requires way more attention and the dps difference between a good vs average player of the two specs is way bigger for frost lol
My 6 seconds of fame @8:20 lol
Why did you skip Blood DKs?
You mention a bluepost about the possibility of Blizz buffing Ulduar gear. Any link to the Bluepost?
Sub rogue 3/5 star complexity? Lmao, something tells me this guy hasn't pvp with one yet
You can tell you're conditioned by retail when you don't count blood as a dps spec.
0/10 no Blood DPS
Digestible video five stars
Accurate video four stars
Format change three stars
Over all care cuz yolo cat go burrrrr two stars
The is everyone sleeping on Blood Death Knight as a dps? In this expansion all 3 specs can be tank or dps, and they can do the job well, especially at the tier of player that gets their info from quick breakdown vids like this. No offense to the quality of the content, I love the channel and think you do great work, but Blood DK isn't just for tanking.
Nice troll mate
@@maduk_ 100% not trolilng. idk what the situation is on live, but in Wrath all three specs could do tank and dps and they all had unique strengths.
You can verify this by using the Wayback Machine and checking Elitist Jerks, which was THE site for learning about playing at the time. Many articles about DKs and Blood even used to be the highest outputting DK DPS spec. It tapered off slightly compared to the other two at the very end of the expansion at higher gear levels.
Tank video isnt needed, just play prot pala if you want to tank. Makes zero sense to play anything else.
*cries in DK blood spec*
As enhance, SP items are not the way to go for slots other than your Wep for this tier. AP translates to Spell Dmg and is still essential with other stats. I use no SP gear other than Titansteel wep and sit comfy at 1900 bonus before procs (just double Flametounge up). Hit, expertise, AP, Haste, Crit all still wonderful and works much better balancing physical dmg and spell dmg.
Weaving your Lightning Bolts also is huge with 3-4 stacks and other abilities on CD. Knowing when to use imbues and such is very important
DKs have three dps specs and three tanking specs because, as Chilton and company have said, DKs can tank in all three specs.
Yup. People are restroactively pretending that in 3.3.5 blood was only tank and frost and unholy were only dps.
The SM dk on my server was blood dps
While dk can surely tank in all three specs. The DMG of blood DPS leaves a bit to be desired. It is not as bad as subtlety Rogue is, to compare it to another class. Edit: if you count only boss DMG, then yes blood can compete, but overall is where it's at.
Eh, Blood is fine all the way through as DPS. ArmPen helps a lot and it moves it really high up the charts as the game goes on. But really, just play whatever you want! This is re-released content and anyone min-maxing it is probably a turbonerd.
Yeah if I remember correctly, armor pen blood DPS was best dk specc in ICC
If you are trying to tank serious content as frost or ESPECIALLY unholy, you are a detriment to your group that has chosen to be worse on purpose than blood.
Healers next please! :D
ranged dps next!!! i wanna see warlock
This guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about, just generally perceived perceptions of classes.
Arms warriors are not longers best in PVP, titans grip fury with legendary to duel wield wth will dominated the floor, classes are "balance" if you play right spec/build
Me playing ret pally since vanilla classic: cmere boy! *divine storms all over them*
What is the name you have one handed equipped purple mouth sword called? @5:14
I just wish unholy DK had the points to grab AMZ, but alas
Great, thanks
Not one Dwarf in your videos, WillE. Disappointing!
kinda underplaying utility of the warrior against a druid arent you? Ignoring Rampage (5% crit buff for the raid) which is the same as leader of the pack. Plus the minimum 1 warrior for Commanding Shout or 2 Warrs for Battle Shout aswell. Demo shout is good too.
Rampage is from fury spec and a raid would more than likely pass up a fury warrior for a Druid being that the Druid will 9/10 outperform the (fury) warrior. As far as battleshout you more than likely will have more than 1 pally in a 25 man roster to do kings and might which makes battleshout less important. So I’d say his assessment was pretty accurate.
@@eddiebullwinkletm5858 for early yes. but later on its not. but as arms you have the increased bleed and 4% phys dmg increase which ull will get later from combat but thats at the timing where arms will switch to fury anyway. Demo Shout and armor shred are a thing aswell. Just saying that he is underplaying it not that its awesome. and the pally argument may count for 25 man but not really for 10 mans since u wont stack 3 palas in those groups because of the loot
I agree 100% but this video is more focused on early wotlk gameplay. He did mention later on fury will be a better choice. You are right though with 10 man
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why nobody mention Blood DPS? at high end game stages. With ArPen close to the cap it's a beast!
boomy provides the same 13% debuff as unholy as an aura.
Melee scaling depends entirely on how good armor penetration is for them. Specs like Assa, Enha, Unholy fall off a bit in ICC because their magic damage is a big % of their total and as such, armor pen is worse for them than for other classes like fury/combat/feral.
regarding enhancement: their single target damage does scale pretty well into ICC mostly because ABSOLUTELY NO ONE needs the gear they need. Their aoe falls off a cliff in TOC and never recovers.
plz change feral to 5 stars scaling ..end of icc feral #1 dps
Ret Paladin is the true hero class. They do SO much damage to undead, which is basically the entire expansion. 4 button spec, you press whatever comes of CD first, and it's the same for single or AoE fights. The REAL ones know how Seal of Command hits (as in, it goes left to right, or right to left I don't recall atm) and if you position correctly and swing the right direction you win.
Tanks
As a Rogue Main since Vanilla i can underline your Statement. Combat starts good in all early Expansions an gets Top Tier in later Tiers cause of scaling. Had always the "Charakterdevelopment" feeling for me cause the playstyle always comes full circle at the End of the Expansion
Its really refreshing watching these videos of essentially 'speculation' of what will preform the best. Mostly accurate, but seeing the difference due to meta changes and new techniques is crazy. (rewatch the rogue and UH DK portions and compare to logs at this pt, 1.5months into the expac)
Can't for the caster video, that's when it's gets controversial
Kind of shit your fave spec can just be useless isn't it.
I wouldn´t call Arms Warrior easy spec :D :D if I remember correctly Arms was one of the highest skillcap classes
I like those overviews, but why is noone talking about the blood deathknight? You are not the only content creator who ignores blood...
Maybe I'm just biased, but I feel the combat utility that any druid can bring (tranquility, battle rez, innervate, the ability to actually shift to emergency heal/tank) warrants more than 3 stars for utility.
Idk about frost being as easy as you say. It's very easy to mess up your rotation and severely hurt your dps becuase of it. In theory it's easy in practice you have to play it very well
wotlk hype! can't wait to parse blue with my feral
remember hearing all this about druids back in wrath but tbh its not that bad and you PUMP ferals are sleeper class not that hard to play with right addons