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On a lower level and degree I mapped my ecu boost control on my AX car to have similar results...i worked on boost duty cycles at different throttle settings to make the car essentially drive like a powerful N/A type car...more throttle more power and with a rising boost curve to stretch out the top end power a little bit.
Heck yeah, brotha , that is how I have been trying to control my boost as well. lol , big turbo problems 😅.. mad props and respect, fam . Peace and love brotha, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz and keep having fun
Don't forget fuel tech .. there at the top of the game now , and I dont have one "yet" but I have seen them doing some really rad stuff and the control is wild just how much control and how easily it is for you to , BBG , or DBW ,or electric power steering , wheel speed ect and just how much control it gives , and they are really nice units and there dashes are top tier to ... buy as u say , motec is the top Don and has been fir a long time , but prices reflect alot of these ecu's aswell ... personally, I like the whole open source ones , cuz if you are smart and can program and build and code stuff , man , the stuff you can make them boards do ... just blows my mind tbh ... much respect, brotha .. peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. l8r fam
@@mastercricket7626 Fuel tech is miles behind. Its not even in the same stratosphere of what EMtron or Motec can do. Fuel tech electronics are like a clock radio compared to the other ecus mentioned.
Bro , metro, brings me back to my teens , me n the famz had one, and that thing on the back and dirt roads. With manual trans , was a fucking riot brotha .. was sooo damn fun of a car , and stupid easy to work on to 😅..peace and love brotha, keep having fun fam
People think that this is motorsport stuff only, but it was nice to see that kind of engineering inplemented into modern, day to day car. No wonder why some ecus are torque based.
Well the drive by wire. And torque tables can help that problem. And the right sized turbo. And constant tuning and testing will achieve these results. But every car is different. And the best data logger will probably have the best running car. I love Andre and how his questions are actually challenging ones that we all learn from. Andre the giant tuner lol
All these "new" features have been standard equipment in the lr/syvecs platform for a VERY long time. Very nice results for the car! These last few percent are the game now. 👌
This is amzing stuff and requires next level tuning knowledge. Unfortunately not many tuners in the aftermarket world are not this vested in getting enthusiasts cars to perform at these levels.
They are out there, but yes, they are harder to find than people just cranking out street tunes (which there is nothing wrong with, that is all most people want to pay for too). Keep an eye on your local racing scene and watch out for who pops up there the most supporting local cars then start chatting - Taz.
Nice info, could a mass flow sensor not be implemented to avoid this throttle body model? Then you could simply close loop the throttle position to achieve a target mass air flow?
The biggest problem with a MAF sensor is that it doesn't handle transients very well. The sensor needs to be placed in front of the turbo inlet, which means it reads airflow going in the turbo, not airflow going into the intake manifold.
Spot on! On a N/A car it doesn't matter as much as the throttle body isn't getting boost jamed down its throat. But for a boosted car it matters a lot because even partially opened throttles allow more torque to be created than the foot desires because of the nature of boost.
And this is why I use Emtron in the R34 and the Supra. The R34 drives like stock, goes like stink. And the Supra will be the same. KV8 and KV12 respectively.
My ATSV tune melts the tires from a stop and was asking my tuner to limit torque off the line and not give it the full 511tq. Not sure if can be done in HP tuners seems to be a miscommunication as I brought up the TCU. I'll send another email asking for torque limiting in the first 2 or 3 gears and see if he gets it. Maybe I have to go back for full dyno session but its a hell of a drive.
I believe so, but best to double-check with EMtron directly just to be sure the SL will work for everything you have in mind, or at least have compromises you are happy with for the price vs a KV - emtron.world/blogs/ecu-features-3/emtron-ecu-features - Taz.
The new 992 carrera T apparently has a boost curve similar to an na car. Alot of the ppl who track 996tt mezger motors tune the boost curve to mimic the gt3 or a linear na motor.
New wannabe here and I have a question. If tou build your engine/car to handle lets day 600hp but its tuned to run 300hp , what would happen if tou exceed that 300 mark, would the engine blow or would it keep going because the engine can handle that amount of power? I'm really not knowledgeable jut trying to get a thought answered. Thanks in advance
Thats stupid question.Power equals how much air and fuel engine can combust.Other mods are just to support power level.Head work is there to flow more air if needed.Bottom end build to not blow engine
@@bobanppvc It's not a stupid question at all. The guys clearly explains that he isn't knowledgeable in this area and yet you mock him. He never asked how to make power, only asked if an engine built to be 600hp capable would blow up if you ran it over the 300HP tune. The short answer is No it won't blow up assuming it's built correctly with the right parts to handle 600HP and tuned to suit.
You can throw all the big power modifications at an engine and then detune it. If you have the fuel system to flow 600hp worth of fuel, you can ask it to deliver 300. If the computer decides to send 305, you'll still be fine because you can handle up to 600. Similarly, if your connecting rods, pistons, crankshaft, and cylinders can handle 600hp, tuning to 300hp will never "blow" the engine even if the computer(or other failure) tries to get 350 out of it. In the same vein, if your block, heads, and turbo can reach 60psi of boost but you have the BOVs opening at 15psi, it won't go boom if you accidentally touch 20psi. Even Usain Bolt can take a leisurely stroll i'll add that many ECUs (both from the factory and aftermarket) have "maps" that can be chosen and run. from the factory, it's a bit more about throttle mapping (x-input at y-speed=z-result) while aftermarket maps are often focused on hitting x-power level and getting smooth delivery all the way there. you can absolutely map a 600hp capable drivetrain for smooth power delivery up to 300hp. and if things get out of whack, your HARDWARE is capable of handling the problem. also, it's not a stupid question if you've gained some knowledge from asking it. and your question isn't off-base either. old-school (carbeurated) performance engines NEEDED to be run at their peak or they would foul plugs and have running issues. computers (constantly adjusting AFRs) have fixed these problems
@@jimmytclem thank you very much for such a simple yet very detailed explanation, really appreciate it man. I'm just trying to get into that field and has some lingering questions that pop up every now and again. Really appreciate the explanation,
the distance from the attachment to the driver doesn't matter as the belts see the same forces. the main concern with belts is that they are mounted at the proper height and directly behind the driver as to hold them in the seat during impact.
@johnny_gtr unfortunately, it takes someone smart to actually use a syvecs. You really can do anything you like with it.. They have had "torque" for like 10 years...
@@Bugermass an ECU is not a dash or PDM. It's running an EMtron ECU and we're talking about ECU control strategies here 😉 How good this is another system that doesn't have to be paired with only its own brand of aux devices and how good that MoTeC is also not just locked into its own bubble either eh! Hope that helps! - Taz.
Because Motec i2 is the best option for datalog analysis and for that you need a motec dash. emtron ecu software has an engine data log viewer, but lacks real GPS based lap comparison/analysis tools, and the emtron dash offerings don't seem to be targeting motorsport applications.
@ I would want reliability instead of a brand name. I am in no way knocking or making fun of your choice of water pump I am just in awe and shock because I didn’t know the oem pump would be so robust and able to handle what y’all are throwing at it? I learned something new today.
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Nice to see actermarket ECUs getting closer to OEM in traction control strategy
This car basically drives itself at this point.
Also how many out there noticed there isn’t one hose clamp on this car anywhere. I love it. So well done. What a dream build
The level of work on these cars is next level these days
On a lower level and degree I mapped my ecu boost control on my AX car to have similar results...i worked on boost duty cycles at different throttle settings to make the car essentially drive like a powerful N/A type car...more throttle more power and with a rising boost curve to stretch out the top end power a little bit.
Nice👍
Heck yeah, brotha , that is how I have been trying to control my boost as well. lol , big turbo problems 😅.. mad props and respect, fam . Peace and love brotha, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on..l8r famz and keep having fun
What ECU?
@dgo9121 SpeedyEFI "fishdog"
Cmon Haltech time to release an advanced TC like Emtron and Motec, been behind for years lets go!
Don't forget fuel tech .. there at the top of the game now , and I dont have one "yet" but I have seen them doing some really rad stuff and the control is wild just how much control and how easily it is for you to , BBG , or DBW ,or electric power steering , wheel speed ect and just how much control it gives , and they are really nice units and there dashes are top tier to ... buy as u say , motec is the top Don and has been fir a long time , but prices reflect alot of these ecu's aswell ... personally, I like the whole open source ones , cuz if you are smart and can program and build and code stuff , man , the stuff you can make them boards do ... just blows my mind tbh ... much respect, brotha .. peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. l8r fam
@@mastercricket7626 Fuel tech is miles behind. Its not even in the same stratosphere of what EMtron or Motec can do. Fuel tech electronics are like a clock radio compared to the other ecus mentioned.
This could be just what i need for my geo metro and its bald tyres!
@@krusher74 get 2 and you'll go twice as fast I reckon! - Taz
@@hpa101 might want to go with 3. I've tried 2 tires, and things can get a little tippy.
@@krusher74 😂, the only problem I see, can be the price of the ECU costing more than your car😂
Bro , metro, brings me back to my teens , me n the famz had one, and that thing on the back and dirt roads. With manual trans , was a fucking riot brotha .. was sooo damn fun of a car , and stupid easy to work on to 😅..peace and love brotha, keep having fun fam
People think that this is motorsport stuff only, but it was nice to see that kind of engineering inplemented into modern, day to day car. No wonder why some ecus are torque based.
Basically, all the Bosch ECUs of OEM cars have these torque calculations from the 90s.
Not that I expect anything less on this channel, but, dayum, that thing sounds nifty and clever!! Well done Ozzies (them - I know you're Kiwis, HPA)
Well the drive by wire. And torque tables can help that problem. And the right sized turbo. And constant tuning and testing will achieve these results. But every car is different. And the best data logger will probably have the best running car. I love Andre and how his questions are actually challenging ones that we all learn from. Andre the giant tuner lol
Exactly what I thought, Andre is a fantastic interviewer and knows how to lead with his questions amazingly well.
The billet cam cover and intake manifold/plenum cover are sweet looking pieces!! 😁
@@ScGa-o3g Kiwi CNC delivering the goods 👌🏼
All these "new" features have been standard equipment in the lr/syvecs platform for a VERY long time.
Very nice results for the car! These last few percent are the game now. 👌
This is amzing stuff and requires next level tuning knowledge. Unfortunately not many tuners in the aftermarket world are not this vested in getting enthusiasts cars to perform at these levels.
They are out there, but yes, they are harder to find than people just cranking out street tunes (which there is nothing wrong with, that is all most people want to pay for too).
Keep an eye on your local racing scene and watch out for who pops up there the most supporting local cars then start chatting - Taz.
Are what he mentioned on this interview available on the default Emtron firmware or it has to be purchased separately?
It's the latest firmware, and no additional charge.
@@powerst33r Theres no extra costs to open anything on Emtron. Just buy the ecu you get everything.
Nice info, could a mass flow sensor not be implemented to avoid this throttle body model? Then you could simply close loop the throttle position to achieve a target mass air flow?
The biggest problem with a MAF sensor is that it doesn't handle transients very well. The sensor needs to be placed in front of the turbo inlet, which means it reads airflow going in the turbo, not airflow going into the intake manifold.
Spot on!
On a N/A car it doesn't matter as much as the throttle body isn't getting boost jamed down its throat. But for a boosted car it matters a lot because even partially opened throttles allow more torque to be created than the foot desires because of the nature of boost.
And this is why I use Emtron in the R34 and the Supra. The R34 drives like stock, goes like stink. And the Supra will be the same. KV8 and KV12 respectively.
My ATSV tune melts the tires from a stop and was asking my tuner to limit torque off the line and not give it the full 511tq. Not sure if can be done in HP tuners seems to be a miscommunication as I brought up the TCU. I'll send another email asking for torque limiting in the first 2 or 3 gears and see if he gets it. Maybe I have to go back for full dyno session but its a hell of a drive.
Is this only on kv series or also available on sl? Kv is a little out of my budget but sl could be
I believe so, but best to double-check with EMtron directly just to be sure the SL will work for everything you have in mind, or at least have compromises you are happy with for the price vs a KV - emtron.world/blogs/ecu-features-3/emtron-ecu-features - Taz.
100% will work on the SL series. Every emtron ecu has this torque strategy
The new 992 carrera T apparently has a boost curve similar to an na car. Alot of the ppl who track 996tt mezger motors tune the boost curve to mimic the gt3 or a linear na motor.
That's really cool, may I ask what would happen if we add this system to a C.V.T?
Hmmm. The aftermarket is catching up to OEMs it seems.
Whoa 😳, mind blown.
That's cool as 🙂👌
The world of RWD dragracing gets a second breath for better torque management outside of going AWD.
Lots of your recent videos have a problem something about the audio is very sharp
Every “S” is trying to peek my speakers
Sorry about that, we're working on it 🤘 - Taz.
I think Emtron might be my choice of ecu when I eventually get the build going. Subaru tuning pros swear by it too
Do it - I have the KV8 on the R34 now and the KV12 arrived for the Supra. Can't wait.
We have some customers with QLD’s biggest subies on Emtron. Tuned by ramsdell too. Match made in heaven.
New wannabe here and I have a question.
If tou build your engine/car to handle lets day 600hp but its tuned to run 300hp , what would happen if tou exceed that 300 mark, would the engine blow or would it keep going because the engine can handle that amount of power? I'm really not knowledgeable jut trying to get a thought answered. Thanks in advance
Thats stupid question.Power equals how much air and fuel engine can combust.Other mods are just to support power level.Head work is there to flow more air if needed.Bottom end build to not blow engine
@@bobanppvc It's not a stupid question at all. The guys clearly explains that he isn't knowledgeable in this area and yet you mock him. He never asked how to make power, only asked if an engine built to be 600hp capable would blow up if you ran it over the 300HP tune. The short answer is No it won't blow up assuming it's built correctly with the right parts to handle 600HP and tuned to suit.
@@ScGa-o3g it is stupid question...
You can throw all the big power modifications at an engine and then detune it. If you have the fuel system to flow 600hp worth of fuel, you can ask it to deliver 300. If the computer decides to send 305, you'll still be fine because you can handle up to 600. Similarly, if your connecting rods, pistons, crankshaft, and cylinders can handle 600hp, tuning to 300hp will never "blow" the engine even if the computer(or other failure) tries to get 350 out of it. In the same vein, if your block, heads, and turbo can reach 60psi of boost but you have the BOVs opening at 15psi, it won't go boom if you accidentally touch 20psi.
Even Usain Bolt can take a leisurely stroll
i'll add that many ECUs (both from the factory and aftermarket) have "maps" that can be chosen and run. from the factory, it's a bit more about throttle mapping (x-input at y-speed=z-result) while aftermarket maps are often focused on hitting x-power level and getting smooth delivery all the way there. you can absolutely map a 600hp capable drivetrain for smooth power delivery up to 300hp. and if things get out of whack, your HARDWARE is capable of handling the problem.
also, it's not a stupid question if you've gained some knowledge from asking it. and your question isn't off-base either. old-school (carbeurated) performance engines NEEDED to be run at their peak or they would foul plugs and have running issues. computers (constantly adjusting AFRs) have fixed these problems
@@jimmytclem thank you very much for such a simple yet very detailed explanation, really appreciate it man. I'm just trying to get into that field and has some lingering questions that pop up every now and again. Really appreciate the explanation,
The best racecars are essentially fully tuneable with all factory functions
Now do that for awd cars
Is that a terrible seat belt setup in that car, having the shoulder attachment points so far back from the driver?
the distance from the attachment to the driver doesn't matter as the belts see the same forces. the main concern with belts is that they are mounted at the proper height and directly behind the driver as to hold them in the seat during impact.
Syvecs ftw
lol not even close to this and even further from M1 Pro
@coreyw427 lol😅
They don't have a torque model in their current feature list? I did evaluate it for my builds, but price vs performance, the Emtron can't be beaten.
@johnny_gtr unfortunately, it takes someone smart to actually use a syvecs. You really can do anything you like with it..
They have had "torque" for like 10 years...
@ torque estimation and torque reduction - but not torque model.
Anyway, not here to argue. Have a great day 👍🏼
After a few beers that made my head hurt.
I did get all though.
Very interesting concept
Yeah kinda cheating
Why is this guy talking about Emtron when it clearly has a MoTeC M150/PDM/Dash?
@@Bugermass an ECU is not a dash or PDM. It's running an EMtron ECU and we're talking about ECU control strategies here 😉
How good this is another system that doesn't have to be paired with only its own brand of aux devices and how good that MoTeC is also not just locked into its own bubble either eh!
Hope that helps! - Taz.
Because Motec i2 is the best option for datalog analysis and for that you need a motec dash. emtron ecu software has an engine data log viewer, but lacks real GPS based lap comparison/analysis tools, and the emtron dash offerings don't seem to be targeting motorsport applications.
Sounds like it should have just had a motec on it... 😁
@@Bugermass well this car with an emtron won it's class sooo.....
Is this badass S15 running an oem European electric water pump instead of the “industry standard” meziere electric water pump? 🤔 👀
This badass s15 runs a pierburg off the shelf water pump yes. Do you want reliability or a name brand after spending that much money in a build? 🤔
@ I would want reliability instead of a brand name. I am in no way knocking or making fun of your choice of water pump I am just in awe and shock because I didn’t know the oem pump would be so robust and able to handle what y’all are throwing at it? I learned something new today.
Bit of a tangent - is anybody doing AI dyno tuning?
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