@@zarinarapstv7894 oh, yes i saw and realized now! it just never connected that abby did that to her 😭 it was they way she placed her hands on her face which is messed up anyway
I would love to know your take on Sia's obsession with Maddie as well! I think these adults having such an intense interest in her at such a young age has always been super weird.
Abby didn't like Chloe because she wished she had the beautiful face and long lines like Chloe. She hated Jojo because she couldn't break her spirit. She was just straight up racist when it came to Nia.
Abby didn’t like Chloe bc even with the INSANE lack of attention, instruction and basic respect you show to a student she still won. she set her up to fail intentionally so many times and Chloe still prevailed regularly. that’s why she tore her down the way she did cause she figured well I’m not teaching her shit and she’s still pulling out wins, better start making her question if she’s good or worthy at all. it’s twisted.
In my opinion Chloe was honestly better than Mattie. The reason I feel Maddie did better was because Abby treated her better, gave her better materials, and gave her more opportunities than she gave Chloe. I feel that if Chloe were given the same opportunities as Mattie she would have excelled and done soooo much better than the rest.
@@paulocosta795 she may not have won 1st place all the time but in most of her solos she either had a really good score or placed in the top 3-5. Overall she regularly succeeded in many ways and clearly Abby had some sort of jealousy lol
@@raevyn1463 Maddie won 54 out of her 64 solos. Only 2 times did she not score in the top 3. Forgot only one solo and got 4 th place with musical theatre
Growing up, I would watch Dance Moms every Tuesday night (when new episodes would air). I loved watching the dancing and I always wished I could dance like them… but now as an adult, I feel so bad. They are being straight up abused 😭
literally same. made me want to be a dancer but now that i’m in college and learning ab childhood development im appalled a production crew sat around and lined their pockets whilst all this happened
That episode Maddie Ziegler forgot her solo there was a bonus scene on the show that didn't air but Abby was screaming and yelling at maddie the judge came in and said Maddie was allowed to dance again she yelled at him and maddie and said no the only reason abby hugged Maddie bc the producers told her to and the main reason abby was crying that day was bc her mom was in the hospital
@@murderjai wow and people still say Maddie was Abby's favorite no Abby she liked that she can manipulate and abuse Maddie without her mom stoping it that's the only reason Maddie was Abby's " favorite"
there is no reason to add a kiss in a dance between 8/9 year olds. it's just completely unnecessary and of course is going to make them uncomfortable. idc if it's completely innocent. also abby kissing her? absolutely not! she didnt consent to that.
The mindset of “well someone’s going to be mean to you so I’ll be mean to you to toughen you up” is so confusing to me… it’s like telling people to watch out for flying objects before throwing an object at them
It’s also normalizing and excepting the toxic industry and abuse. How about we work to get rid of the toxicity in show business so that future performers don’t have to experience that? Why are we just excepting the awfulness?
The episode that was most heartbreaking to me was the episode where Abby made fun of Chloe’s eye (the producers edited it), and Chloe heartbreakingly say “I heard Abby “ 😢
I have friends who are now professional dancers, and they’ve had some strict instructors. Even their strictest instructors haven’t been as problematic as Abby has been.
Growing up and watching these episodes, I always thought that this grown up woman would always perpetuate her own insecurities about herself onto the students she taught. These were children who were judged in front of millions of people and now that they’re older adults, they will have to deal with the adults who treated them so bad, mainly their own dance teacher.
something I also see getting glossed over often is weekly comps with new numbers EVERY WEEK. i did competition dance for 12 years the mere idea of learning that many numbers, with a camera in your face, a grown woman berating belittling and bullying you then your mom fighting with your friends moms all on top of it like it’s literally insane to even think about
Maddie was 10-11 at the time she did the kiss. But still, that was creepy and wrong. Also, when the Moms sat in the parking lot, wasn’t only because of Kelly, it was a protest against the producers because the moms wanted a raise and a better environment for the kids
The issues with producers was the contracts which trapped them while their children were breaking, and the hours. The girls were working until midnight, had no time to eat, have showers or do homework...and were exhausted.
The way we just ignore child abuse when it’s filmed as “entertainment” is terrifying. From shows like this to those godawful “family vloggers”, abuse is rampant and let slide.
I think you’re spot on with your observation of how Abby stunted Maddie’s froth and long-term prospects as a dancer. I grew bored with her because she basically had the same dance every week and she never had the opportunity to challenge herself because Abby needed to stay in her fantasy. It’s just a shame, because I agree who knows how much farther she could’ve gone.
She was living in a narcissistic delusion, at the expense of literal children. And now because some got famous, mainly because they worked so hard, she's got an out to say "but it worked, they're famous now"
I wish all of the parents just own up to the fact that they stayed because they wanted the check. Constantly talking about being under contract is bullshit to me especially when your child’s mental health is it stake
toni im proud of you, make sure to be more private with your location and also details because others can have it out for you for exposing them. people think you guys are small youtubers but when the script flips and the devil time runs out they’ll be gunning for everyone who is dying to fix things. im right there with you and thankful for your voice
I remember Kelly saying that Brooke was a straight A student taking AP and honors classes so she would consistently stay up until 1am every night to do homework since her daytime was dedicated to school. These kids were going from 6am in the morning to almost 11pm at night working. That’s more hours than most adults work.
I saw her in the airport recently (I work there and helped her up to TSA). She had another prodigy with her and she looked as miserable as ever. I just felt so bad for the little one 😭
Last night, I was re-watching season 8 of Dance Moms where Abby had a full new cast of dancers with Lilliana coming back on the team. There was a key scene where Abby is giving nasty criticisms left and right about the group dance and little 8 year old Lilly has a panic attack (hyperventilating, crying, can’t breathe, everything) and Abby chalks it up that it’s Lilly’s mom who caused the anxiety attack not Abby 😢 that made me so angry
I literally never got into Dance moms. I watched a few episodes here and there and wasn’t here for it-and nor was my mom. My mom had me in gymnastics & competitive cheer from age 3-17/18 when I graduated HS. It got to a point for 2 years I was competing on 3 different teams-level 3, 4 and the Worlds team @ level 5 b/c I was that well rounded and there wasn’t enough girls who could memorize 3 different choreos for 3 different teams & perform them the day of competitions. Very frequently I was the ONLY black girl in the sea, and not to brag but I was always the top performer, gymnast, tumbler, flyer etc b/c of moms & coaches like Abby and I had to try 10x harder and DEMAND my respect even as a child. I blame the parents-my mom has had her fair share of cussing my coaches from hell and back in public & private for being disrespectful to a child(like telling me to lose weight) or backhanded racial comments and she never tolerated it. She even pulled me from a couple teams…all of which asked me to come back. I feel like the moms chased fame more than the kids did and felt ok to constantly put their kids in that mentally draining environment. If I could pick up on that as a young child, I know damn well the adults on this show could.
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Abby’s malicious to society. I give you props for giving her grace after all the negative she has done. I do know that Abby went through a lot of things and something’s we may not know. However, she shown a side of her on national television, and interviews that reflects her badly. At least she has a show now (yeah, I’m being a bit sarcastic)😅💯
Is the fact that as a teenager I would watch this madness. Now as a mom of 2 girls I can not fathom allowing a kid bully my girls let along a grown woman. Looking back this was pure madness.
I am not a professional dancer but have had dance classes as a kid and in my adult life, the teacher should be able to demonstrate the move in order for the student to try understand and copy the move. How is this Abbey lady a dance teacher? We have never seen her dance.....am I missing something? Honestly confused
@bingchungus I had no idea, fair enough I just haven't experienced that. So how does it work teaching dance if you can't dance? Do they do it verbally or showing videos of others people doing it? Genuinely curious
@@evelinagocheva8083 I was a competitive dancer for about 6 years. U learn a lot of terminology in dance and are expected to know what words mean and most are in French, so u kinda just listen to what ur teacher says and convert the dance words into the dance moves if that makes sense lol. I can give examples if u don’t understand tho :)
I don’t know if it’s unrealistic that Maddie would be “ helping the kindergartners” I just don’t think it was only Maddie. When I was in fourth or fifth grade, we had a program called reading buddies or something like that and the whole class was assigned a first grader to read with, and we did that during school for a couple of months or something I don’t specifically it was a long time ago. I assume what was happening with Maddie with something like that and her mom decided that it was a waste of Maddie’s time so she pulled her out of school.
There's also that time when she only accepted hugs for certain girls and pushed the others away and when she started a whole new rivalry between elliana and liliana
season four and five were very dark. She pushed and pushed Chloe and Christy and it was hard to watch. Also the way that Melissa and Jill turned on holly and nia broke my heart. they were so scared of abby that they turned into mean girls. I also didnt like it when jill CONSTANTLY referred to her daughter as Maddies best friend. I always felt that was a jab to Nia . It was jills way of trying to get ahead and in the long run it NEVER WORKED
What i also find weird is that abby was their dance teacher, but never taught them the actual routines. Is this normal? I'm from Germany and was a hobby dancer for a while& all of our teachers were our choreographers as well.
Ikr!! I'm wondering the same thing 🤔. I'm from the Netherlands, my dance teacher's have always been our choreographers as well. I see that Abby is in a wheelchair now, and am just wondering how she's going to be teaching these people to dance?? and if she's not choreographing, then what is her role as "teacher" really?
I danced for this company for 2 years as a child (2004) Abby is very much WHO SHE IS on this show. You would walk in excited to dance and leave out with anxiety and feeling like you were nothing.
In regards to the tutoring thing it definitely happens. If you’re ahead or finishing your work that fast, the school gives it as an incentive. It’s basically a reward for “good students”. My friends and I throughout elementary, middle, school, and even in high school were given this option. Though I did not attend public schools so I can’t say for sure if they are different.
im currently rewatching dm for like the 100th time but as an adult I see it wayyyy different and wow is she a monster! im a dance teacher myself and could NEVER talk like this to kids…. do I get stern absolutely but this is disgusting
have you watched Bring It? It's refreshing to see a coach/dance teacher being tough and giving the girls tough love but also being caring and actually caring about all the girls!
In the same interview she was saying that the girls use to get beauty PR and she should of been the one to get it over them bc ppl would wanna buy it if she was using it promoting it😂😂😂😂 No One wants to be anything like this horrible rude and selfish woman. Mind blowing 🤯
her head is in the clouds wow😭 i don’t understand why she doesn’t know that a majority of people find her and her behavior revolting. she is delusional.
Just found your channel and have been bing watching. Started with the Hollywood videos, then the exploitative videos of children (mommy vlogging), etc. Great content! I swear, social media has brought a whole new world to life.. it's crazy when you put it all into perspective.
The way I’ve BINGED Dance Moms for the past few weeks! Oh, this is so the tea I need on this fabulous Wednesday. Abby was a M-E-DOUBLE S MESS, hunny! Whew! 😮💨
This is such a coincidence... I was just watching your dance moms video like, a few hours ago! And I wished it was longer, and here's a new video just posted! 😮
The dancers never have to thank Abby, without you to teach she would never have had any relevance. It's your talent, your existence. She really had ugly internal issues
KUDOS young lady....GOOD PRESENTATION 😊😎 The deepest worst part are THE PARENTS sell or allow their own to be treated this way for MOUNTAINS of reasons 😮
it’s crazy to me how abby wanted the girls to skip school. i was a competitive dancer from ages 5-18, i went to 3 different studios in my time as a comp dancer and ALL 3 STUDIOS were like “obviously we want you here, you should attend class but school comes first” like they wanted school to be our number 1 priority it’s just crazy to me that abby wants the girls to miss out on an education to go to dance
Contractually, ALL of the girls were managed by Abby. That’s what makes the favoritism so much worse, bc anytime a mom tried to do something outside of ALDC for their kids Abby would verbally abuse them
Great presentation! You definitely said everything right ! I always hated Abby , because of all the meanness that she said and did ! But we must not forget about the producers who brought on a lot of the drama. I am not watching this 'Mad House ' garbage! Good luck to you , Toni on your journey. Take care. 👯♂️👯👯♀️
The thing is - a lot of what Abbie did is fairly normal with serious dance students. Encouraging competition among the students, telling them that they need to copy what good students do - like extra classes, etc. - to be good themselves. That stuff happens in most successful dance schools. And in schools like the School of American Ballet (SAB) that feeds into New York City Ballet or the Jacqueline Onassis School that feeds into American Ballet Theater both have students from 10 years old. They spend part of the day in school but they leave school to go and take dance classes during the day. In some cases parents will homeschool their kids so that they can attend all of their dance classes. At 17 or 18 when most kids are getting ready for college kids that want to be professional dancers - for the most part - are beginning to audition for places in dance companies or for jobs in shows. This stuff is pretty normal for pre-professional dancers.
I've heard Abby had hate for Chloe n her mother because they would NOT sign a contract she was demanding be signed..and Kelly w the girls, it's said Abby did NOT want the girls on the show from the beginning!! She actually told producers they HAD NO TALENT!!
Abby turned on Chloe after Chloe won the national championship that Abby expected Maddie to win. Think it was the second season. Chloe is the better dancer. Maddie has been favored into the winning spot. Maddie was given privates on her solos and the group dances to make it seem like Maddie picked up quicker than the others.
Abby Lee Miller is what happens when the mean girl from high school becomes an adult but doesn't actually grow up or mature. I've never watched a full episode of the show but I can remember seeing commercials, promos, and clips from the show and would always think to myself, "My god, these parents willingly subject their children to this woman?!". I understand that as a teacher/coach/mentor/etc. you have to be a bit tough sometimes and give someone a bit of a metaphorical kick in the pants to make them reach their potential. But there's a big difference between firm encouragement and straight up emotional/verbal abuse, especially when dealing with kids. Abby Lee very much veered into the latter territory with her behavior. This is why I couldn't help but feel a strong sense of schadenfreude when Abby Lee got busted for concealing assets when she filed for bankruptcy and ended up having to serve eight months in prison. It really felt like karmic justice being served, not just legal justice.
The tough love thing has become like a thing. My kids have done competitive gymnastics and I pulled them out because of the coach. My kid is tough and she cried more than once. Theyve also had a dance teacher who was nuts.
regards to her being kendalls manager she did that one video with her, maybe two was trying to put her against Nia because at the time Nia was getting attention from producers also recording. She lost interest very quick and shelved the rest of her music, then had the audacity to try to show interest in Niah’s recording career. It was a joke. Jill eventually sever ties with Abby as her manager, but that was conveniently once Abby was about to go to prison.
I will never get past how Abby had a lot of the girls' dance costumes made very provocative and inappropriate for their age, especially with the dance moves.
24:24 when i went to an elementary school without a gt program (from what i can remember, i was 7) they just gave me extra homework and creative projects to do
Another tangent lmao I'm definitely thankful for certain things that I learned in university. But overall, I felt extremely pressured into going and I absolutely regret going. Especially since the Internet has made it so incredibly easy to learn outside of school. I love being a proficient writer (I swear I'm actually really good at writing, even though my comments are always bananas ramblings here lmao) and it was pretty cool having a background in epidemiology. But overall, I would 100% argue that it's *NOT* something everyone should do and it's not the safety net that it's presented to be. Though that may have to do with me entering the adult world around the housing market collapse. I originally went to university right after highschool, dropped out after a year, then went back at 24. So I've had a solid 9-10 years to really understand that it's not *that* much of a fall back. Getting a trade certification is a much more solid fallback. Especially with healthcare jobs, like nursing or dental hygien. And, yeah, it's true that a lot of trade certifications can be obtained via an associates degree at community college or a private trade college/ "university". But that's definitely *NOT* the same as the college experience that's available at large universities. Like, if you wanna have the experience that you're seeing on movies & shows about college life, then you really have to go to a larger university (one with Greek life) right after high school. But it's important to understand that a lot of people who go to university for that college experience have either considerable family contributions financially and/or hefty scholarships. Even if you're eligible for grants and lower income scholarships, attending university right after high school is probably going to be extremely stressful and it's probably going to drown you in a lot of debt that's not actually justified via the income opportunities afforded by your degree. A lot of university degrees offer salaries that are on the low end of middle income and the job market is extremely competitive... In case you've been wondering why so many people who have bachelor's degrees wind up going into trades or becoming TH-camrs or continuing to be a barista or a server or whatever. Anyway, that was a much further tangent 😂😂😂 If you don't have the financial means to have university be like high school part 2, then *do not* taking attending an expensive university right after school lightly. Very seriously consider a wide range of options, including the fact that you can start university in your mid 20s and older. Like if you decide you want to go to medical school or become a professor or something. Working in a trade or lower income job your preferred industry prior to trying to get into a highly competitive career path, like becoming a medical doctor, will help you A LOT. And simply being older and wiser can make getting a fantastic GPA much easier
There’s a theory that Abby hates Chloe and Paige so much bc her own mother wasn’t very good to Abby, most likely having to with Abby not being the tall blonde beautiful dancer she wishes Abby was so she hates her two two blonde dancers bc Abby is weirdly jealous. I believe it, Abby is emotionally immature enough to do it
I don’t believe they would pull a student out of class to help w smaller children they will get a staff a paid staff not a child. I don’t even think that would fly in high school tutoring is an extracurricular activity outside of school hours
I just found you this morning and I've already watched 3 videos. I really enjoy your fresh take on these topics and all the information you've gathered up 🎉 Thabk you!
So for the tutoring/Kindergarten thing with Maddie, I think it’s very possible. I was a “buddy” when I was in fourth grade (like 2008ish?), for an hour twice a week I helped in my brother’s classroom (he was in 2nd). I was considered a “gifted kid” (a whole different issue in itself) so I think that’s why it was allowed. I don’t remember how it was set up or why it started though. Depends on the school, but my district did a whole peer mentor thing with ES, MS, and HS students. I was part of the mentor program in elementary and middle school, stopped in high school because of sports and work. I’m also from a small town in WI (US) so it might be different for bigger schools.
The fact I was obsessed with the show as a kid because my dad is the male version of Abby 🙃 word for word. I knew how those girls felt. My dads still the same angry nasty man. People don’t change :(( at least the girls had parents who loved them. I never got away from the negativity.
I'm so sorry for what you went through - and sadly I don't know if all these girls had parents who loved them. I think some - if not most - just wanted them on TV. It takes a child's childhood away and leaves them with scars. It's not good.
Great video. It does sound like a Melissa excuse to say "oh Maddie doesn't have to be at school because she's the best" lol. Random input: my religious school did have us teaching kindergartners how to read every morning. I think it was 3rd and 4th grade that I did that. I haven't heard of another school that had that setup though.
My middle school gave us a kindergarten buddy and we would do activities with them sometimes and we went on a field trip together. I often wonder how she’s doing now lmao
We had that too at my school when I was in 4-8th, they called them our "prayer partners" lol. However, we met with them maybe once a month, never on a daily basis.
@ToniBryanneTV We had those, too! Haha It was a separate thing. We got paired off by grade (8+1,7+2,etc) My first partner was horrible and got kicked out of school 😆
I can't take those adults that will be in her next show serious. Like how do they not think about the past of Abby and be like ''oh she's crazy let's not enter her show''. But here they all are. I wish them luck not being abused or mistreated. Atleast they are adults and not kids.
Apparently her mother (Maddie) took her out of school so shed be ahead of the other girls. Abby said any of the girls cldve done the same thing if their mothers had done the same. Edit: you included it lol. I was allowed to practice AT school, but never leave. Thts ridiculous.
7:47 this makes me so mad in the context of kids/teens & authority figures. They're not "talking back" and "being disrespectful". They're standing up for themselves because they feel that you are treating them unfairly or even cruelly. Even if you're actually being very reasonable and your behavior is in their best interest, punishing them for standing up for themselves is *not* the move. Try explaining your reasoning more clearly. If they're just struggling to deal with their disappointment, then talk with them about *that* and help them learn how to manage that emotional without needing to lash out at someone. Because disappointment is a frequent fact of life. Anyway, sorry for tha tangent lmao
To put things into perspective for everyone, multiple cast members have said Abby was even worse off camera. This was the show trying to make her look GOOD
All the dancers, Nia, Chloe, Paige, and Brooke have college educations. Maddie & McKenzie just finished high school while being home-schooled. I blame Abby & Melissa, their mother for not letting these girls have more ambition than just dance. After all, what is this going to do for them when they are 50. No big money in being a dance teacher. Well, look where Abby is now. In a wheelchair. I kind of call that Karma for the bad treatment of the other dancers except the Ziegler girls. Chloe won 1st place awards when Abby had nothing to do with it. She got the Joffrey scholarship & Maddie did NOT and she was chosen for the lead in a video that Abby could NOT make the choice. Then showed her classless self by saying it was going to Chloe's head. Maddie thought she was going to be chosen for all these awards. Also, Nia won 1st place in the last Nationals competition which proved to me she was good and did better without Abby.
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Can’t get past her forcibly kissing a child on camera and then proceeding to force that child to kiss another child … that’s criminal behavior
Oh my god WHAT
That's disgusting
i honestly don’t remember seeing nor probably processing her kissing Maddy but forcing her to kiss the boy i agree was weirdo behavior
@@sarahdanielle12 Abby grabs Maddy’s face and kisses her in the video!
@@zarinarapstv7894 oh, yes i saw and realized now! it just never connected that abby did that to her 😭 it was they way she placed her hands on her face which is messed up anyway
That’s such degenerate behavior. She should be in jail or punished for her abuse in some way at least.
Abby’s hateful racism towards Nia should be discussed more. Poor girl.
I agree.
I always thought Jill was racist towards Nia.
Spot on!
She has another video that goes in depth about that
If y’all really think that this is racism your actually delusional
I would love to know your take on Sia's obsession with Maddie as well! I think these adults having such an intense interest in her at such a young age has always been super weird.
Faaaaaacts
Also would love this!
Abby and Sia are probably both p***philes.
Abby didn't like Chloe because she wished she had the beautiful face and long lines like Chloe. She hated Jojo because she couldn't break her spirit. She was just straight up racist when it came to Nia.
Abby didn’t like Chloe bc even with the INSANE lack of attention, instruction and basic respect you show to a student she still won. she set her up to fail intentionally so many times and Chloe still prevailed regularly. that’s why she tore her down the way she did cause she figured well I’m not teaching her shit and she’s still pulling out wins, better start making her question if she’s good or worthy at all. it’s twisted.
Narcissistic of her
In my opinion Chloe was honestly better than Mattie. The reason I feel Maddie did better was because Abby treated her better, gave her better materials, and gave her more opportunities than she gave Chloe. I feel that if Chloe were given the same opportunities as Mattie she would have excelled and done soooo much better than the rest.
She barely won tho. She only won 12 times in about 50 solos
@@paulocosta795 she may not have won 1st place all the time but in most of her solos she either had a really good score or placed in the top 3-5. Overall she regularly succeeded in many ways and clearly Abby had some sort of jealousy lol
@@raevyn1463 Maddie won 54 out of her 64 solos. Only 2 times did she not score in the top 3. Forgot only one solo and got 4 th place with musical theatre
Growing up, I would watch Dance Moms every Tuesday night (when new episodes would air). I loved watching the dancing and I always wished I could dance like them… but now as an adult, I feel so bad. They are being straight up abused 😭
literally same. made me want to be a dancer but now that i’m in college and learning ab childhood development im appalled a production crew sat around and lined their pockets whilst all this happened
That episode Maddie Ziegler forgot her solo there was a bonus scene on the show that didn't air but Abby was screaming and yelling at maddie the judge came in and said Maddie was allowed to dance again she yelled at him and maddie and said no the only reason abby hugged Maddie bc the producers told her to and the main reason abby was crying that day was bc her mom was in the hospital
Wow, Abby’s the worse….
not related but maddie has said abby has pinched her so hard she bled once.. shes insane
@@murderjai wow and people still say Maddie was Abby's favorite no Abby she liked that she can manipulate and abuse Maddie without her mom stoping it that's the only reason Maddie was Abby's " favorite"
Abby gaslit Maddie for years...and abused her sister...
yea everyone talks about maddie like shes also a villain when she got tons of breakdowns cuz of the show but nobody talks about it
there is no reason to add a kiss in a dance between 8/9 year olds. it's just completely unnecessary and of course is going to make them uncomfortable. idc if it's completely innocent. also abby kissing her? absolutely not! she didnt consent to that.
And the worst part is, Maddie DID look visibly uncomfortable
The mindset of “well someone’s going to be mean to you so I’ll be mean to you to toughen you up” is so confusing to me… it’s like telling people to watch out for flying objects before throwing an object at them
It's basically glorifying abuse to these girls. It's a miracle Maddie and girls like her are as nice as they are considering what they went through.
It’s also normalizing and excepting the toxic industry and abuse. How about we work to get rid of the toxicity in show business so that future performers don’t have to experience that? Why are we just excepting the awfulness?
The episode that was most heartbreaking to me was the episode where Abby made fun of Chloe’s eye (the producers edited it), and Chloe heartbreakingly say “I heard Abby “ 😢
I have friends who are now professional dancers, and they’ve had some strict instructors. Even their strictest instructors haven’t been as problematic as Abby has been.
26:56 I had no clue Abby stole Maddie’s first kiss then made her kiss a little boy saying it’s no big deal. Wtf.
Yup, I didn't remember that part either until researching!
Yeah, when you think about it. It’s really unhinged. Shaking my head🤦🏾♂️….
It's maybe the worst kind of message you could send to kids? especially as a coach. Insane.
Growing up and watching these episodes, I always thought that this grown up woman would always perpetuate her own insecurities about herself onto the students she taught. These were children who were judged in front of millions of people and now that they’re older adults, they will have to deal with the adults who treated them so bad, mainly their own dance teacher.
something I also see getting glossed over often is weekly comps with new numbers EVERY WEEK. i did competition dance for 12 years the mere idea of learning that many numbers, with a camera in your face, a grown woman berating belittling and bullying you then your mom fighting with your friends moms all on top of it like it’s literally insane to even think about
like they were learning group routines, duo/trios and solos in two days at like 9 years old that’s bonkers
Maddie was 10-11 at the time she did the kiss. But still, that was creepy and wrong.
Also, when the Moms sat in the parking lot, wasn’t only because of Kelly, it was a protest against the producers because the moms wanted a raise and a better environment for the kids
The issues with producers was the contracts which trapped them while their children were breaking, and the hours. The girls were working until midnight, had no time to eat, have showers or do homework...and were exhausted.
The way we just ignore child abuse when it’s filmed as “entertainment” is terrifying. From shows like this to those godawful “family vloggers”, abuse is rampant and let slide.
There is a difference between strict and just straight up being abusive. She’s just making excuses
Periodt
I think you’re spot on with your observation of how Abby stunted Maddie’s froth and long-term prospects as a dancer. I grew bored with her because she basically had the same dance every week and she never had the opportunity to challenge herself because Abby needed to stay in her fantasy. It’s just a shame, because I agree who knows how much farther she could’ve gone.
She was living in a narcissistic delusion, at the expense of literal children. And now because some got famous, mainly because they worked so hard, she's got an out to say "but it worked, they're famous now"
I’m surprised Nia and her mom stayed on this show for so long I get contracts but couldn’t be me
Holly wanted that check!!
@@azizablackgal lol she sure did 😂😂 cuz ain’t no way I would’ve stuck around that long as a black person
I wish all of the parents just own up to the fact that they stayed because they wanted the check. Constantly talking about being under contract is bullshit to me especially when your child’s mental health is it stake
Apparently Holly confirmed that she’d leave when Nia said she was ready to leave because she wanted it to be her daughter’s choice
toni im proud of you, make sure to be more private with your location and also details because others can have it out for you for exposing them. people think you guys are small youtubers but when the script flips and the devil time runs out they’ll be gunning for everyone who is dying to fix things. im right there with you and thankful for your voice
Thank you so much!! Will make sure to be discreet. I appreciate you!
You’re paranoid
@@belikejonae1022The world is dangerous
@@belikejonae1022 People get doxxed and threatened all the time...
This is hardly breaking news...
I remember Kelly saying that Brooke was a straight A student taking AP and honors classes so she would consistently stay up until 1am every night to do homework since her daytime was dedicated to school. These kids were going from 6am in the morning to almost 11pm at night working. That’s more hours than most adults work.
Parents allowing their children into the “industry”….evil.
Hollywood is a twisted place at times - has been since day 1 just look at how Judy Garland was drugged and molested at MGM studios. Awful.
Agreed
I saw her in the airport recently (I work there and helped her up to TSA). She had another prodigy with her and she looked as miserable as ever. I just felt so bad for the little one 😭
Which airport was it💀
@@se2664 LAX
When Chloe said I heard Abby my heart literally shattered like Abby was constantly abusing and berating Chloe
That scene where Abby is crying to Maddie makes me violently uncomfortable. It is so horrible to watch.
Christi said it was sickening when she and Kelly talked about that episode. She was really upset. Maddie has panic attacks now.
Last night, I was re-watching season 8 of Dance Moms where Abby had a full new cast of dancers with Lilliana coming back on the team. There was a key scene where Abby is giving nasty criticisms left and right about the group dance and little 8 year old Lilly has a panic attack (hyperventilating, crying, can’t breathe, everything) and Abby chalks it up that it’s Lilly’s mom who caused the anxiety attack not Abby 😢 that made me so angry
Omg that panic attack was terrifying! It was just as bad as Paige’s panic attack when she couldn’t breathe 😢
@@mommak10 I know right.
I literally never got into Dance moms. I watched a few episodes here and there and wasn’t here for it-and nor was my mom. My mom had me in gymnastics & competitive cheer from age 3-17/18 when I graduated HS. It got to a point for 2 years I was competing on 3 different teams-level 3, 4 and the Worlds team @ level 5 b/c I was that well rounded and there wasn’t enough girls who could memorize 3 different choreos for 3 different teams & perform them the day of competitions. Very frequently I was the ONLY black girl in the sea, and not to brag but I was always the top performer, gymnast, tumbler, flyer etc b/c of moms & coaches like Abby and I had to try 10x harder and DEMAND my respect even as a child. I blame the parents-my mom has had her fair share of cussing my coaches from hell and back in public & private for being disrespectful to a child(like telling me to lose weight) or backhanded racial comments and she never tolerated it. She even pulled me from a couple teams…all of which asked me to come back. I feel like the moms chased fame more than the kids did and felt ok to constantly put their kids in that mentally draining environment. If I could pick up on that as a young child, I know damn well the adults on this show could.
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We need a ‘surviving Abby Lee’ documentary 😩
Abby’s malicious to society. I give you props for giving her grace after all the negative she has done. I do know that Abby went through a lot of things and something’s we may not know. However, she shown a side of her on national television, and interviews that reflects her badly. At least she has a show now (yeah, I’m being a bit sarcastic)😅💯
Is the fact that as a teenager I would watch this madness. Now as a mom of 2 girls I can not fathom allowing a kid bully my girls let along a grown woman. Looking back this was pure madness.
I am not a professional dancer but have had dance classes as a kid and in my adult life, the teacher should be able to demonstrate the move in order for the student to try understand and copy the move. How is this Abbey lady a dance teacher? We have never seen her dance.....am I missing something? Honestly confused
I just googled her and the fact that she was a dancer is still irrelevant if she CURRRNTLY can't physically demonstrate the movement ...🤷🏻♀️
@bingchungus I had no idea, fair enough I just haven't experienced that. So how does it work teaching dance if you can't dance? Do they do it verbally or showing videos of others people doing it? Genuinely curious
@@evelinagocheva8083 I was a competitive dancer for about 6 years. U learn a lot of terminology in dance and are expected to know what words mean and most are in French, so u kinda just listen to what ur teacher says and convert the dance words into the dance moves if that makes sense lol. I can give examples if u don’t understand tho :)
Maddie was the favorite because Abby knew she and her mom and sister could be easily manipulated
I don’t know if it’s unrealistic that Maddie would be “ helping the kindergartners” I just don’t think it was only Maddie. When I was in fourth or fifth grade, we had a program called reading buddies or something like that and the whole class was assigned a first grader to read with, and we did that during school for a couple of months or something I don’t specifically it was a long time ago. I assume what was happening with Maddie with something like that and her mom decided that it was a waste of Maddie’s time so she pulled her out of school.
Abby is like Tyra with ANTM with the whole "Do your time, this is how the industry is" bullcrap
There's also that time when she only accepted hugs for certain girls and pushed the others away and when she started a whole new rivalry between elliana and liliana
season four and five were very dark. She pushed and pushed Chloe and Christy and it was hard to watch. Also the way that Melissa and Jill turned on holly and nia broke my heart. they were so scared of abby that they turned into mean girls. I also didnt like it when jill CONSTANTLY referred to her daughter as Maddies best friend. I always felt that was a jab to Nia . It was jills way of trying to get ahead and in the long run it NEVER WORKED
What i also find weird is that abby was their dance teacher, but never taught them the actual routines. Is this normal? I'm from Germany and was a hobby dancer for a while& all of our teachers were our choreographers as well.
Ikr!! I'm wondering the same thing 🤔. I'm from the Netherlands, my dance teacher's have always been our choreographers as well.
I see that Abby is in a wheelchair now, and am just wondering how she's going to be teaching these people to dance??
and if she's not choreographing, then what is her role as "teacher" really?
I danced for this company for 2 years as a child (2004) Abby is very much WHO SHE IS on this show. You would walk in excited to dance and leave out with anxiety and feeling like you were nothing.
In regards to the tutoring thing it definitely happens. If you’re ahead or finishing your work that fast, the school gives it as an incentive. It’s basically a reward for “good students”. My friends and I throughout elementary, middle, school, and even in high school were given this option. Though I did not attend public schools so I can’t say for sure if they are different.
We also have to hold the mothers accountable ,they let there children have to go through it
I absolutely agree with you. As I mom myself I don’t understand the mindset to allowed your child go through all this belittling and humiliation.
im currently rewatching dm for like the 100th time but as an adult I see it wayyyy different and wow is she a monster! im a dance teacher myself and could NEVER talk like this to kids…. do I get stern absolutely but this is disgusting
Abby = Ms. Trunchbull
And Chloe is Amanda 😭
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this is such a unique trauma to be carrying
have you watched Bring It? It's refreshing to see a coach/dance teacher being tough and giving the girls tough love but also being caring and actually caring about all the girls!
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In the same interview she was saying that the girls use to get beauty PR and she should of been the one to get it over them bc ppl would wanna buy it if she was using it promoting it😂😂😂😂 No One wants to be anything like this horrible rude and selfish woman. Mind blowing 🤯
her head is in the clouds wow😭 i don’t understand why she doesn’t know that a majority of people find her and her behavior revolting. she is delusional.
Just found your channel and have been bing watching. Started with the Hollywood videos, then the exploitative videos of children (mommy vlogging), etc. Great content! I swear, social media has brought a whole new world to life.. it's crazy when you put it all into perspective.
The way I’ve BINGED Dance Moms for the past few weeks! Oh, this is so the tea I need on this fabulous Wednesday. Abby was a M-E-DOUBLE S MESS, hunny! Whew! 😮💨
This is such a coincidence... I was just watching your dance moms video like, a few hours ago! And I wished it was longer, and here's a new video just posted! 😮
Omg I was wondering why it all of a sudden was spiking in views😭😭
The dancers never have to thank Abby, without you to teach she would never have had any relevance. It's your talent, your existence. She really had ugly internal issues
KUDOS young lady....GOOD PRESENTATION 😊😎
The deepest worst part are THE PARENTS sell or allow their own to be treated this way for MOUNTAINS of reasons 😮
it’s crazy to me how abby wanted the girls to skip school. i was a competitive dancer from ages 5-18, i went to 3 different studios in my time as a comp dancer and ALL 3 STUDIOS were like “obviously we want you here, you should attend class but school comes first” like they wanted school to be our number 1 priority it’s just crazy to me that abby wants the girls to miss out on an education to go to dance
Contractually, ALL of the girls were managed by Abby. That’s what makes the favoritism so much worse, bc anytime a mom tried to do something outside of ALDC for their kids Abby would verbally abuse them
i just screamed because i rewatched your other dance moms video this morning and saw that you posted another one☺️
Yessss!!! I posted that video a year ago this week!
That video’s really good and eye opening👏🏾!
prayers and positive vibes for you and your next step! congratulations love 💕
Thank you boo!!❤️
Great presentation! You definitely said everything right ! I always hated Abby , because of all the meanness that she said and did ! But we must not forget about the producers who brought on a lot of the drama. I am not watching this 'Mad House ' garbage! Good luck to you , Toni on your journey. Take care. 👯♂️👯👯♀️
The thing is - a lot of what Abbie did is fairly normal with serious dance students.
Encouraging competition among the students, telling them that they need to copy what good students do - like extra classes, etc. - to be good themselves. That stuff happens in most successful dance schools.
And in schools like the School of American Ballet (SAB) that feeds into New York City Ballet or the Jacqueline Onassis School that feeds into American Ballet Theater both have students from 10 years old. They spend part of the day in school but they leave school to go and take dance classes during the day. In some cases parents will homeschool their kids so that they can attend all of their dance classes.
At 17 or 18 when most kids are getting ready for college kids that want to be professional dancers - for the most part - are beginning to audition for places in dance companies or for jobs in shows.
This stuff is pretty normal for pre-professional dancers.
Every single adult that stood by, and let that "teacher" bully those kids are just as horrid as the bully. This show was awful, like all reality TV
I've heard Abby had hate for Chloe n her mother because they would NOT sign a contract she was demanding be signed..and Kelly w the girls, it's said Abby did NOT want the girls on the show from the beginning!! She actually told producers they HAD NO TALENT!!
Abby turned on Chloe after Chloe won the national championship that Abby expected Maddie to win. Think it was the second season. Chloe is the better dancer. Maddie has been favored into the winning spot. Maddie was given privates on her solos and the group dances to make it seem like Maddie picked up quicker than the others.
Abby Lee Miller is what happens when the mean girl from high school becomes an adult but doesn't actually grow up or mature. I've never watched a full episode of the show but I can remember seeing commercials, promos, and clips from the show and would always think to myself, "My god, these parents willingly subject their children to this woman?!". I understand that as a teacher/coach/mentor/etc. you have to be a bit tough sometimes and give someone a bit of a metaphorical kick in the pants to make them reach their potential. But there's a big difference between firm encouragement and straight up emotional/verbal abuse, especially when dealing with kids. Abby Lee very much veered into the latter territory with her behavior.
This is why I couldn't help but feel a strong sense of schadenfreude when Abby Lee got busted for concealing assets when she filed for bankruptcy and ended up having to serve eight months in prison. It really felt like karmic justice being served, not just legal justice.
The tough love thing has become like a thing. My kids have done competitive gymnastics and I pulled them out because of the coach. My kid is tough and she cried more than once. Theyve also had a dance teacher who was nuts.
regards to her being kendalls manager she did that one video with her, maybe two was trying to put her against Nia because at the time Nia was getting attention from producers also recording. She lost interest very quick and shelved the rest of her music, then had the audacity to try to show interest in Niah’s recording career. It was a joke. Jill eventually sever ties with Abby as her manager, but that was conveniently once Abby was about to go to prison.
They could have did the thumb thing to make them fake kiss so there lips aren’t actually touching
Or kiss on the cheek close to the lips
Oh God i freaking love your voice!! Omg with each word and each pronunciation you drive me crazy baby girl!!!!
I never understood why parents subjected their kids to this.
Abby needs to understand why she is wrong 😭
Asia from dance moms did a podcast interview with another girl off that show and they said Abby was horrible to them
I will never get past how Abby had a lot of the girls' dance costumes made very provocative and inappropriate for their age, especially with the dance moves.
24:24 when i went to an elementary school without a gt program (from what i can remember, i was 7) they just gave me extra homework and creative projects to do
Another tangent lmao
I'm definitely thankful for certain things that I learned in university. But overall, I felt extremely pressured into going and I absolutely regret going. Especially since the Internet has made it so incredibly easy to learn outside of school. I love being a proficient writer (I swear I'm actually really good at writing, even though my comments are always bananas ramblings here lmao) and it was pretty cool having a background in epidemiology. But overall, I would 100% argue that it's *NOT* something everyone should do and it's not the safety net that it's presented to be. Though that may have to do with me entering the adult world around the housing market collapse.
I originally went to university right after highschool, dropped out after a year, then went back at 24. So I've had a solid 9-10 years to really understand that it's not *that* much of a fall back.
Getting a trade certification is a much more solid fallback. Especially with healthcare jobs, like nursing or dental hygien. And, yeah, it's true that a lot of trade certifications can be obtained via an associates degree at community college or a private trade college/ "university". But that's definitely *NOT* the same as the college experience that's available at large universities. Like, if you wanna have the experience that you're seeing on movies & shows about college life, then you really have to go to a larger university (one with Greek life) right after high school.
But it's important to understand that a lot of people who go to university for that college experience have either considerable family contributions financially and/or hefty scholarships.
Even if you're eligible for grants and lower income scholarships, attending university right after high school is probably going to be extremely stressful and it's probably going to drown you in a lot of debt that's not actually justified via the income opportunities afforded by your degree.
A lot of university degrees offer salaries that are on the low end of middle income and the job market is extremely competitive... In case you've been wondering why so many people who have bachelor's degrees wind up going into trades or becoming TH-camrs or continuing to be a barista or a server or whatever.
Anyway, that was a much further tangent 😂😂😂
If you don't have the financial means to have university be like high school part 2, then *do not* taking attending an expensive university right after school lightly. Very seriously consider a wide range of options, including the fact that you can start university in your mid 20s and older. Like if you decide you want to go to medical school or become a professor or something. Working in a trade or lower income job your preferred industry prior to trying to get into a highly competitive career path, like becoming a medical doctor, will help you A LOT. And simply being older and wiser can make getting a fantastic GPA much easier
The moms talked about the walkout for Kelly was actually really about them re-negotiating their contracts for a higher pay.
Great videos. Sad how much content can be created of these dark topics though. You are stunning btw
I love how you put scriptures I was talking to God and wanted help of reading scriptures and more ❤
I absolutely enjoyed listening to this, love your deep dives 🙌🏼❤️
Hey Tony... You have blossomed so beautifully...love from South Africa 😊
There’s a theory that Abby hates Chloe and Paige so much bc her own mother wasn’t very good to Abby, most likely having to with Abby not being the tall blonde beautiful dancer she wishes Abby was so she hates her two two blonde dancers bc Abby is weirdly jealous. I believe it, Abby is emotionally immature enough to do it
I said something similar
I’ve always believed that this was a huge part of why Abby hated Chloe and Paige, because they were pretty, skinny blondes and Abby was jealous.
I fault the parents for allowing someone to treat their child in this manner. Even in their outrage they returned their children.
Very educational i learnt something from abby when you working with kids you need to be patient, selfless and understanding
OH GIRL LEMME GET MY SNACKS IM READY FOR THIS ONE
I don’t believe they would pull a student out of class to help w smaller children they will get a staff a paid staff not a child. I don’t even think that would fly in high school tutoring is an extracurricular activity outside of school hours
Abby is the female cartman 🤧
You ain’t gotta disrespect Cartman like that 😭
i feel so bad for maddie, she had her first kiss wasted on an evil monster 😔💔
I just found you this morning and I've already watched 3 videos. I really enjoy your fresh take on these topics and all the information you've gathered up 🎉 Thabk you!
wow I was just waiting your dance mom video from a year ago and this popped up
Yessss, I would love to hear your thoughts!
Abby calling the girls on dance moms fat and ugly is funny to me 💀
It’s peak hypocrisy 💀😂
the wheelchair kills me 💀
So for the tutoring/Kindergarten thing with Maddie, I think it’s very possible. I was a “buddy” when I was in fourth grade (like 2008ish?), for an hour twice a week I helped in my brother’s classroom (he was in 2nd). I was considered a “gifted kid” (a whole different issue in itself) so I think that’s why it was allowed. I don’t remember how it was set up or why it started though. Depends on the school, but my district did a whole peer mentor thing with ES, MS, and HS students. I was part of the mentor program in elementary and middle school, stopped in high school because of sports and work. I’m also from a small town in WI (US) so it might be different for bigger schools.
The fact I was obsessed with the show as a kid because my dad is the male version of Abby 🙃 word for word. I knew how those girls felt. My dads still the same angry nasty man. People don’t change :(( at least the girls had parents who loved them. I never got away from the negativity.
I'm so sorry for what you went through - and sadly I don't know if all these girls had parents who loved them. I think some - if not most - just wanted them on TV. It takes a child's childhood away and leaves them with scars. It's not good.
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Great video. It does sound like a Melissa excuse to say "oh Maddie doesn't have to be at school because she's the best" lol.
Random input: my religious school did have us teaching kindergartners how to read every morning. I think it was 3rd and 4th grade that I did that.
I haven't heard of another school that had that setup though.
My middle school gave us a kindergarten buddy and we would do activities with them sometimes and we went on a field trip together. I often wonder how she’s doing now lmao
We had that too at my school when I was in 4-8th, they called them our "prayer partners" lol. However, we met with them maybe once a month, never on a daily basis.
@ToniBryanneTV We had those, too! Haha It was a separate thing. We got paired off by grade (8+1,7+2,etc) My first partner was horrible and got kicked out of school 😆
I can't take those adults that will be in her next show serious. Like how do they not think about the past of Abby and be like ''oh she's crazy let's not enter her show''. But here they all are. I wish them luck not being abused or mistreated. Atleast they are adults and not kids.
Apparently her mother (Maddie) took her out of school so shed be ahead of the other girls. Abby said any of the girls cldve done the same thing if their mothers had done the same.
Edit: you included it lol. I was allowed to practice AT school, but never leave. Thts ridiculous.
7:47 this makes me so mad in the context of kids/teens & authority figures. They're not "talking back" and "being disrespectful". They're standing up for themselves because they feel that you are treating them unfairly or even cruelly.
Even if you're actually being very reasonable and your behavior is in their best interest, punishing them for standing up for themselves is *not* the move. Try explaining your reasoning more clearly. If they're just struggling to deal with their disappointment, then talk with them about *that* and help them learn how to manage that emotional without needing to lash out at someone. Because disappointment is a frequent fact of life.
Anyway, sorry for tha tangent lmao
I have a friend who met her, and she said Abby was horrible
To put things into perspective for everyone, multiple cast members have said Abby was even worse off camera. This was the show trying to make her look GOOD
I love the biblical verse’s in the beginning of the video it’s always something I need to read at the moment!!
since we're on the subject of dance do bring it next
Full circle moment here. I found you from that first dance moms video last year and have been subbed ever since! 🎉
All the dancers, Nia, Chloe, Paige, and Brooke have college educations. Maddie & McKenzie just finished high school while being home-schooled. I blame Abby & Melissa, their mother for not letting these girls have more ambition than just dance. After all, what is this going to do for them when they are 50. No big money in being a dance teacher. Well, look where Abby is now. In a wheelchair. I kind of call that Karma for the bad treatment of the other dancers except the Ziegler girls. Chloe won 1st place awards when Abby had nothing to do with it. She got the Joffrey scholarship & Maddie did NOT and she was chosen for the lead in a video that Abby could NOT make the choice. Then showed her classless self by saying it was going to Chloe's head. Maddie thought she was going to be chosen for all these awards. Also, Nia won 1st place in the last Nationals competition which proved to me she was good and did better without Abby.
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Love your channel, especially the scripture and quote right before 💕
I would have BEEN flipped Abby! She had one time with mine!