Commodore Probert really hit it out of the ballpark with the refit design. Kirk's priceless reaction to the Enterprise in the travel pod summed up my feelings, as well. 🖖😎👍
The refit Enterprise is the first thing I think of when I hear Star Trek or Enterprise. I love the refit so much. It's a major part of my love of Trek as a whole.
The original incarnation of the Enterprise designed by Matt Jeffries was revolutionary, but you can tell it was designed in the 60s. Its proportions aren't quite right, and the nacelle pylons just don't look like they are structurally sound. Andrew Probert refined and perfected the design into something that still looks "right" 40 years later. Let me count the ways: - increased the diameter of the saucer section - reversed the slope of the top of the saucer - bulked out the connecting dorsal section - added the photon torpedo launcher - new deflector dish - reshaped engineering hull into more of a barrel shape - swept-back nacelle pylons - new sleeker nacelles - illumination of the hull liveries I could go on. Perfect ship.
I don't think I've ever noticed how wonderful the refit looks, I much prefer it to the original as the refit manages to pull off the Buck Rogers aesthetic better I feel. Great episode by the way, it would be a great way to go from the OG to the B.
I always loved tos constitution class, but the refit is the best.. a very beautiful design. I do wish it was in tng, like how the excelsior/miranda/oberth was.. but I'm happy the constellation was dreamed up.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And the Constitution class starship's have always been one of my favorites designs and the refit design is very beautiful ship all of its own indeed,👌.
The refit to me is the most beautiful ship ever designed for Star Trek. If not the most beautiful thing I've ever loved. Elegant and graceful. To think we almost got that design which would later become the Crossfield class for Discovery.
Great episode! I believe it was during this refit that all areas too small for use by ship personnel were required by new Starfleet regulations to be filled with rocks. Several of these areas were directly over the bridge and have for some mysterious reason, perhaps tradition, been copied into all new Starfleet designs. Kirk Forever!!!
I remember seeing TMP as a kid seeing it for the first time and over 40 years later this is still the best ship design that Star Trek has ever produced. I like the Enterprise A better as far aesthetics but this will always be the best of the best!
I am late to the party but honestly I REALLY love the Refit Connie more than the TOS style. When I first saw the Refit Connie when watching The Motion Picture on VHS when I was a kid (in the 1980's) I was in love with the ship big time. It easily became my favorite Enterprise design. I liked the narrative you created for this story.
Great video as always, The TMP Connie is the better starship and the most beautiful, I will always have a special place in my heart for the TOS Connie.
This ship is almost perfect. I love more tng era style, but this design with the red uniforms of the time (past the first film), are truly iconic… imagine being a cargo captain, moving from an old cargo ship to an old constitution class… like changing an old horrible car with a still old luxury car… the improvement is massive
Although it never made an on screen appearance, I thought the Phase II refit would’ve been a bridge between the TOS constitution class and TMP refit. Just throwing that out there.
This IS the Enterprise for me, and it always will be. The refit Constitution is the absolute pinnacle of Star Trek ship design in my opinion. It looks functional while still looking futuristic. It just ticks all the boxes.
Ahh love the nostalgia and remembrance while clearly stating that other than Enterprise, these were new Starships which as you said lasted in Starfleet for over a century! Great job!
The refit is (in my eyes) the best combination of functionality and beauty of design. With that said, I think we make it smaller than what it really is. The aircraft carrier Enterprise has 25 decks and is 342m long. When put side by side, 1701 is shorter but only by a little bit. At the same time 1701 is taller, the size of the bridge doesn't measure up, or people. Since I was in the Marines, I have seen many carriers up close and I'm telling you, either the 1701 is bigger than what they say or smaller, because the two don't match up.
The 32nd century starfleet series has demonstrated wonderful examples about ship types and spaceports nearby Western coast of starfleet centers. Not only typically as federation starfleet symbols in the 32nd century when onland countries as one Terran civilization to the other galactic civilizations, but has bringing more Sol neighbors to membership constellations.
By contrast to traditional saucer types, this Constitution and Saturn class are fashion to our galactic neighbor ship series. Looking forward to more ship supply chains and ship series.
I think Scotty said it best... "No A, B, C, or D" and in Beta cannon I believe James T Kirk had a part in upgrading the Enterprise, knowing full well of what that starship was capable of and what it could not. I think the convo would have been "Scotty, could you make it better? Aye, Admiral... But could you make it so? You have my word on that." And thus, the only two people who could have pulled off a refit made it so. That's my beta cannon.
HAY! YOU DONT GET TO DO THAT ! I'm in public and saw this video! I was drooling and smiling like a fool!! 😂😂 This video was so cool! Thanks for making this!😁😁
One of the issues I always had issues with was the problem of the Enterprise (refit) not having any aft weaponry. No aft Phasers nor Torpedo tubes. In Enterprise (show) we learned the fate of the Defiant and saw she was equipped with both aft phaser banks and torpedo tubes. Should those features not have been made standard by the time the Refit came into play?
Although it was never made cannon, according to Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, there was an aft phaser bank under the shuttle bay doors. If you look closely in the flyover of the Enterprise in TMP, you can see it.
It does have aft phaser emitters both sides of the shuttle bay and at the bottom of the secondary hull. and torpedoes can track a target seen in ST6 same as naval submarines
According to the specs I've seen, there are two phase emitters above the shuttle bay, and four on the bottom of the secondary hull. There is no space around the Enterprise in any direction that does not have a clear view of several phaser emitters.
Thank you for the video I have always loved this design and my favorite. Partly because it reminds me of being a kid renting one of five (then six) movies and watching it multiple times over the weekend.
In my head canon, refit Connies continued to be used through the Cardassian Wars, in which the few still in service were completely replaced by the Excelsior and Ambassador classes
While the original connie design had that quintessential 60s scifi feel, I just loved the refit better. It looked like it was ready to run at a moments notice.
My first exposure to star trek was the star fleet academy computer game, which featured the refit design from the TMP era. My uncle then showed my Wrath of Khan. So for me the refit is the most beautiful of all star trek ships
The apex of starship design was the Constitution refit and the Miranda class vessels. Some nice designs came along later but none matched these designs in beauty and structural elegance.
It’s hard to remember she was a design from the late 70’s. You can totally see that aesthetic when you familiar with it, but I’m so glad it still stands the test of time. Still my favourite ship design, and pretty much the only good things to come out of the 70’s; other than another space based franchise….some music, and me, of course hahaha Again, love your take Tri; your stuff is always canon in my book 😀
Listening to all the improvements, I can think of something the fleet's engineers either overlooked or just couldn't crack: easily-exploding/sparking/smoking bridge consoles. 😀
ben trimble, the engineers did not overlook it. Unfortunately, though, at that the Federation was facing a shortage of rocks to pack into the consoles 😄
Thank god they made TMP during the era of peak spaceship model work. For me this motion picture era is the only one which looks truly realistic yet aesthetically pleasing.
Absolutely crazy about star wars ships, esp the falcon But when I was took to see TMP with my dad and seeing the refit on the big screen 💙💙 it’s still the best of the lot by far My 1/350 scale movie rep has pride of place at home
I grew up on the ST TOS and love the Constitution class and it's refit. To me the later classes are just to bulky and cumbersome, except the intrepid class. Thanks for a good and informative video.
The real space ship --not made to travel in water like the new ones but space. Having its photon bay open up and see inside in Wrath of Khan was the best sci fi.
lol...not made to travel in water😅this ship is excellent example for interstellar journey. Of course, if some exoplanets such as gliese 581 e f are oceanic planets, this ship can traveling through the water, too.
I used to dislike this design, and considered myself quite a Constitution purist. But after flying the refit in STO because I'm not about to pay for the TOS or Disco version, I kind of fell in love with the refit and now it's considered one of my favorites. It really is a Constitution design worthy of the big screen.
The Connie Refit (Enterprise Class, if TWOK is to be referenced) is one sleek looking ship. It looks fast when standing still, and everything looks like it is in the right place.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios In the Wrath of Khan, when they're editing the Simulator after Saavik's Kobayashi Maru test, it says 'Enterprise Class' simulator. Has this ever been explained? Outstanding video, as always by the way!
Don't get me wrong, I love the refit Enterprise, it looks great. But I will always love the Enterprise-D, although she didn't have enough time on the big screen, she looked fantastic in Generations, and huge as well. Other than that, a great video.
That new class used as the Constitution"Refit" was the Yorktown class, right? Technically it was part of the fleet in the TNG era. If there were Connies around at Wolf 359, I don't recall noticing any at the time of that TNG episode. I will have to find that video about the Classes at Wolf 359 and research it.
They say that in the TNG episode the best of both worlds: you can see a constitution class refit just as Enterprise-D inters into the wolf 359 battle field? & you do see the secondary hull of that class damaged. You just about have to freeze frame it to look at it closely.
I loved TOS but I was a kid when TMP came out and I fell in love with the refit during the reveal early in the film. I like the Sovereign class too. JJPRISE is junk.
TMP novelization said Scotty planned on rigging a bypass circuit for the phaser banks in case of warp power loss once Enterprise was out of spacedock. I assume this allowed them to access auxiliary power and the emergency batteries, depending on the situation. I assume many other Constitution Class ships were refitted.
@@Raider0075 No, why would you think that? Just because it's a Constitution Class in the refit style? In fact it makes more sense that it was a new ship, as it's technical issues would follow much better that way!
The Refit Connies are peak Star Trek design, just perfect proportions, perfect colour scheme, perfect shapes, just perfect.
Although I am more of a TNG-era fan, the Connie refit truly is a timeless design. Absolutely gorgeous.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Seeing the refit Lady in the theater back in '79 was an absolute experience to be true and this narrative fits with it superbly.
Commodore Probert really hit it out of the ballpark with the refit design. Kirk's priceless reaction to the Enterprise in the travel pod summed up my feelings, as well. 🖖😎👍
Couldn't agree more!
The TMP Enterprise has been my favorite design, to me it is the design that makes the most sense with the tech shown.
The refit Enterprise is the first thing I think of when I hear Star Trek or Enterprise. I love the refit so much. It's a major part of my love of Trek as a whole.
The original incarnation of the Enterprise designed by Matt Jeffries was revolutionary, but you can tell it was designed in the 60s. Its proportions aren't quite right, and the nacelle pylons just don't look like they are structurally sound. Andrew Probert refined and perfected the design into something that still looks "right" 40 years later. Let me count the ways:
- increased the diameter of the saucer section
- reversed the slope of the top of the saucer
- bulked out the connecting dorsal section
- added the photon torpedo launcher
- new deflector dish
- reshaped engineering hull into more of a barrel shape
- swept-back nacelle pylons
- new sleeker nacelles
- illumination of the hull liveries
I could go on. Perfect ship.
Imo this is the best version of the constitution class
The refit is a timeless masterpiece of star ship design. The hat is off
I don't think I've ever noticed how wonderful the refit looks, I much prefer it to the original as the refit manages to pull off the Buck Rogers aesthetic better I feel. Great episode by the way, it would be a great way to go from the OG to the B.
I always loved tos constitution class, but the refit is the best.. a very beautiful design. I do wish it was in tng, like how the excelsior/miranda/oberth was.. but I'm happy the constellation was dreamed up.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well executed and informatively explained in every detail way shape and form possibly provided indeed, And the Constitution class starship's have always been one of my favorites designs and the refit design is very beautiful ship all of its own indeed,👌.
Easily one of the most popular and memorable movie space ships ever made. Timeless!!
The refit to me is the most beautiful ship ever designed for Star Trek. If not the most beautiful thing I've ever loved. Elegant and graceful. To think we almost got that design which would later become the Crossfield class for Discovery.
Great episode! I believe it was during this refit that all areas too small for use by ship personnel were required by new Starfleet regulations to be filled with rocks. Several of these areas were directly over the bridge and have for some mysterious reason, perhaps tradition, been copied into all new Starfleet designs. Kirk Forever!!!
I remember seeing TMP as a kid seeing it for the first time and over 40 years later this is still the best ship design that Star Trek has ever produced. I like the Enterprise A better as far aesthetics but this will always be the best of the best!
Beautiful ship. Puzzled why no aft torpedo launcher was never included.
I am late to the party but honestly I REALLY love the Refit Connie more than the TOS style. When I first saw the Refit Connie when watching The Motion Picture on VHS when I was a kid (in the 1980's) I was in love with the ship big time. It easily became my favorite Enterprise design. I liked the narrative you created for this story.
Great video as always, The TMP Connie is the better starship and the most beautiful, I will always have a special place in my heart for the TOS Connie.
This ship is almost perfect. I love more tng era style, but this design with the red uniforms of the time (past the first film), are truly iconic… imagine being a cargo captain, moving from an old cargo ship to an old constitution class… like changing an old horrible car with a still old luxury car… the improvement is massive
Such a great job telling this story. I personally always loved both versions of the Constitution class. Both filled their roles so well.
You never forget your first love. It's the original NCC 1701 for me.
Great video.
It’s sad that the designers opted to remove the bowling alley from the refit.
They replaced it with a swimming pool.
She's such a beauty. The Constitution-class refit is just that, class. Another excellent video!
Although it never made an on screen appearance, I thought the Phase II refit would’ve been a bridge between the TOS constitution class and TMP refit. Just throwing that out there.
i love the refit design because it is a powerhouse looking ship, which shows it is a ship not to be messed with. Which it proved time and time again.
Imagine a Klingon cruiser causing trouble in a sector, then a refit connie shows up.....I'm sure that captain was taken aback and considered fleeing.
The Refit. Enterprise Refit and A, the most beautiful ships in science fiction (in my opinion. The true Belle of the Ball.
This IS the Enterprise for me, and it always will be. The refit Constitution is the absolute pinnacle of Star Trek ship design in my opinion. It looks functional while still looking futuristic. It just ticks all the boxes.
Such a pretty ship! Still my favourite after all these years. Absolutely love it. So sculptural and epic!
Ahh love the nostalgia and remembrance while clearly stating that other than Enterprise, these were new Starships which as you said lasted in Starfleet for over a century! Great job!
The refit is (in my eyes) the best combination of functionality and beauty of design.
With that said, I think we make it smaller than what it really is. The aircraft carrier Enterprise has 25 decks and is 342m long. When put side by side, 1701 is shorter but only by a little bit. At the same time 1701 is taller, the size of the bridge doesn't measure up, or people. Since I was in the Marines, I have seen many carriers up close and I'm telling you, either the 1701 is bigger than what they say or smaller, because the two don't match up.
I love both, but I give the edge to the refit. It’s design is beautiful and timeless in my opinion.
Great video! Love the refit, she will always be my favorite. "No bloody A, B...."
The finest looking Starfleet ship class ever created, IMHO.
Enterprise R is a worthy successor to the TOS era. A marvel to behold.
I still wonder what happened to the class leader NCC-1700 USS Constitution.
I really liked right at the end you gave an beta cannon explanation for why you could see an destroyed Constitution secondary hull at Wolf 359 on TNG.
Easily my favorite ship of the early 23rd century to early 24th century ships. It also remains among the best looking Enterprise ships.
The refit even now is my all time favorite starship
I really love hearing about the Constitution Class Refit.
The 32nd century starfleet series has demonstrated wonderful examples about ship types and spaceports nearby Western coast of starfleet centers. Not only typically as federation starfleet symbols in the 32nd century when onland countries as one Terran civilization to the other galactic civilizations, but has bringing more Sol neighbors to membership constellations.
This class is my favorite design of all starships. I really enjoyed this video you did a great job of telling the history of this class.
By contrast to traditional saucer types, this Constitution and Saturn class are fashion to our galactic neighbor ship series. Looking forward to more ship supply chains and ship series.
Truly an amazing looking ship
I think Scotty said it best... "No A, B, C, or D" and in Beta cannon I believe James T Kirk had a part in upgrading the Enterprise, knowing full well of what that starship was capable of and what it could not. I think the convo would have been "Scotty, could you make it better? Aye, Admiral... But could you make it so? You have my word on that." And thus, the only two people who could have pulled off a refit made it so. That's my beta cannon.
HAY! YOU DONT GET TO DO THAT ! I'm in public and saw this video! I was drooling and smiling like a fool!! 😂😂
This video was so cool! Thanks for making this!😁😁
One of the issues I always had issues with was the problem of the Enterprise (refit) not having any aft weaponry. No aft Phasers nor Torpedo tubes. In Enterprise (show) we learned the fate of the Defiant and saw she was equipped with both aft phaser banks and torpedo tubes. Should those features not have been made standard by the time the Refit came into play?
HMS Rodney had all her big guns forward 🤷♂️
Although it was never made cannon, according to Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, there was an aft phaser bank under the shuttle bay doors. If you look closely in the flyover of the Enterprise in TMP, you can see it.
It does have aft phaser emitters both sides of the shuttle bay and at the bottom of the secondary hull. and torpedoes can track a target seen in ST6 same as naval submarines
According to the specs I've seen, there are two phase emitters above the shuttle bay, and four on the bottom of the secondary hull. There is no space around the Enterprise in any direction that does not have a clear view of several phaser emitters.
I love how you updated the Constitution Class Refit.
Best DESIGN Ever!!!!!!!!! All that I can say.
Thank you for the video I have always loved this design and my favorite. Partly because it reminds me of being a kid renting one of five (then six) movies and watching it multiple times over the weekend.
You are so welcome Kitty! :)
Thank you very much for this nice (Episode 214) Truth OR Myth BETA- The Constitution Class Refit. And like the Refit better
This was my Enterprise, before TNG came out. I always loved it.
You do a really good job with these videos. To quote Jean Luc Picard, "Nicely done. "
In my head canon, refit Connies continued to be used through the Cardassian Wars, in which the few still in service were completely replaced by the Excelsior and Ambassador classes
While the original connie design had that quintessential 60s scifi feel, I just loved the refit better. It looked like it was ready to run at a moments notice.
This is my favourite ship and the back story to this is great. Thank you
I enjoyed this. Refit Constitution class is Star Trek to me.
this is my favorite Starfleet design
My first exposure to star trek was the star fleet academy computer game, which featured the refit design from the TMP era. My uncle then showed my Wrath of Khan. So for me the refit is the most beautiful of all star trek ships
What a great story Liam :) Thanks for sharing :)
The apex of starship design was the Constitution refit and the Miranda class vessels. Some nice designs came along later but none matched these designs in beauty and structural elegance.
It’s hard to remember she was a design from the late 70’s. You can totally see that aesthetic when you familiar with it, but I’m so glad it still stands the test of time. Still my favourite ship design, and pretty much the only good things to come out of the 70’s; other than another space based franchise….some music, and me, of course hahaha
Again, love your take Tri; your stuff is always canon in my book 😀
This is my favorite fed design fallowed close by the sovereign. Damn keep knocking them outta the park man!
I really love The Constitution Class Refit.
The TMP Enterprise is the best looking of all the Canon ships. I like many others but this one just hit it out of the park.
The Connie Refit is my ult-favorite of the hero ships of Star Trek.
The refit Constitution is a work of art!
Listening to all the improvements, I can think of something the fleet's engineers either overlooked or just couldn't crack: easily-exploding/sparking/smoking bridge consoles. 😀
ben trimble, the engineers did not overlook it. Unfortunately, though, at that the Federation was facing a shortage of rocks to pack into the consoles 😄
The refit is my favorite ship design
I really like the Constitution class refit it's such a beautiful looking Starship
Thank god they made TMP during the era of peak spaceship model work.
For me this motion picture era is the only one which looks truly realistic yet aesthetically pleasing.
Absolutely crazy about star wars ships, esp the falcon
But when I was took to see TMP with my dad and seeing the refit on the big screen 💙💙
it’s still the best of the lot by far
My 1/350 scale movie rep has pride of place at home
Love the TMP Refit, although the Konnie and SNW Discoprize are pretty close! Depends on the day and my mood. ;)
I grew up on the ST TOS and love the Constitution class and it's refit. To me the later classes are just to bulky and cumbersome, except the intrepid class. Thanks for a good and informative video.
The real space ship --not made to travel in water like the new ones but space. Having its photon bay open up and see inside in Wrath of Khan was the best sci fi.
lol...not made to travel in water😅this ship is excellent example for interstellar journey. Of course, if some exoplanets such as gliese 581 e f are oceanic planets, this ship can traveling through the water, too.
My most favorite Enterprise ever!
The thought of that awesome design being used to haul cargo makes me sad.
I love all ships named Enterprise. Great video as always.
The refit will always be my favorite Enterprise. I prefer the redesign of the bridge from Khan and Search for Spock. Such a beautiful ship
My favorite class in Starfleet.
you are a voice of logic in the din, agreeable.
I used to dislike this design, and considered myself quite a Constitution purist. But after flying the refit in STO because I'm not about to pay for the TOS or Disco version, I kind of fell in love with the refit and now it's considered one of my favorites.
It really is a Constitution design worthy of the big screen.
One of your best videos.
The Connie Refit (Enterprise Class, if TWOK is to be referenced) is one sleek looking ship. It looks fast when standing still, and everything looks like it is in the right place.
Alpha Canon ALWAYS trumps Beta Canon, and in Alpha Canon it's the Constitution Class Refit, thus anything else would just be wrong!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios In the Wrath of Khan, when they're editing the Simulator after Saavik's Kobayashi Maru test, it says 'Enterprise Class' simulator. Has this ever been explained?
Outstanding video, as always by the way!
The best looking Enterprise. She's my ship Kirk!
The refit is a beauty that's hard to beat
Don't get me wrong, I love the refit Enterprise, it looks great. But I will always love the Enterprise-D, although she didn't have enough time on the big screen, she looked fantastic in Generations, and huge as well. Other than that, a great video.
The Enterprise refit is the Marilyn Monroe of Starfleet sexy and classy after all these years.
Yay, more ships to build in simplerockets 2
Epic! Always fun. Thank you.
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For starters, she's one well-endowed lady.
That explains that Constitution refit that was destroyed at Wolf 359 🙂🙂🙂🙂
I really like The Constitution Class Refit
Well done.
Constitution Refit is the Greatest of All Starships. I'll brook no disagreement. ;)
It makes more sense that the constitution class refit would be a new class of ship.
I just wish they had used is as a part of the fleet in TNG
That new class used as the Constitution"Refit" was the Yorktown class, right?
Technically it was part of the fleet in the TNG era. If there were Connies around at Wolf 359, I don't recall noticing any at the time of that TNG episode. I will have to find that video about the Classes at Wolf 359 and research it.
They say that in the TNG episode the best of both worlds: you can see a constitution class refit just as Enterprise-D inters into the wolf 359 battle field? & you do see the secondary hull of that class damaged. You just about have to freeze frame it to look at it closely.
I wish you could use Star Trek continues information.
Thank you for a amazing video!
I loved TOS but I was a kid when TMP came out and I fell in love with the refit during the reveal early in the film. I like the Sovereign class too. JJPRISE is junk.
Brilliant!
TMP novelization said Scotty planned on rigging a bypass circuit for the phaser banks in case of warp power loss once Enterprise was out of spacedock. I assume this allowed them to access auxiliary power and the emergency batteries, depending on the situation. I assume many other Constitution Class ships were refitted.
In the Enterprise yes, not in newly constructed ships of the class... Also there is NO evidence what so ever that any other Connies were refitted!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Really? I thought the Yorktown (ST IV) was a refit.............
@@Raider0075 No, why would you think that? Just because it's a Constitution Class in the refit style? In fact it makes more sense that it was a new ship, as it's technical issues would follow much better that way!