I can get 20 mpg in my 1st gen on 33s so these things should be getting closer to 30….. if they didn’t make them as heavy as a half ton I believe they’d hit that mark.
Toy needs a hybrid and EV option, but hey the Taco finally got rear disc brakes. Meanwhile the competition improves... I'll pass a turbo 4 for a EV Rivian any day. Add a Solar converter to add overlanding range to boot.
@@freedomisntfree_44 the weight of the newer vehicles is somewhat caused by the need to meet safety standards, which are primarily required by the government. Unfortunately, the government uses safety as a way to control businesses and people. In a few years if it's not stopped, all vehicles will be required to have a breathalyzer or be able to accept a breathalyzer. I can't remember exactly but look it up. It's all in the name of safety.
7:44 for the slip test it would be cool to see you put some kind of sticker or mark on the tire, to see how much it actually rotates before it activates the brake and sends power to the other wheel. It looked like a 1/4 turn on that test which is really good
Yah, these modern 4wheel systems that use traction control with open diffs are surprisingly good. Not as good as a full on system, but almost no one actually needs them outside of e-peen.
Nice to know that saving money and getting the Sr5 version still comes with serious off road performance. Would be a great truck for driving on the beach for surf fishing, etc.
I had a 3rd gen TRD pro and never used the crawl control or MTS. The MTS never made much difference and I never found I practical use for crawl control. The suspension was a joke compared to even moderately priced aftermarket options. Save the money and get yourself some tires a better suspension setup and you'll leave any stock TRD, Pro or Off-Road, in the dust.
@@dcl97 The only thing i would disagree slightly on is that the built in locker is a nice to have with the TRD Offroad. Do i really need a lockable diff, not really, but it nice that it is integrated with the truck. Otherwise agree that the other elements are not really needed on the upper trims. I'll be curious how the traction control system works on the New Hybrid power train when that comes out
@@parkerdalo3248 thats awesome! I hate that most trac controls basically did nothing for actually adverse conditions. I wonder if it could be adapted for fwd cars
Exactly I would like to see that too, I had no idea the most basic Ram 4 x 4 without LCD or lockers have brake based AWD showing on their test, it would be good to see if other manufacturers do the same
I asked of this a long time ago and some idiot commented that it didn’t make sense to do a slip test with trucks. Well why not? People buy trucks for traction.
@Ornelas11B a slip test is very relevant in a pickup. You need that traction when working on lease roads and rugged terrain the way many trucks do. Whoever said that nonsense is ignorant.
The strange "recovery" point on the drivers side is called a T hook slot and is specifically for tying the vehicle down for transport. They are ubiquitous on imported cars that come in on a boat. While strong, it is't there as a recovery point. That's what the U loop is for. There should be several more T hook slots on the back somewhere, maybe the frame. I saw you mention more recovery points in the hitch so maybe that is the location. A T hook is a T shaped device where the top of the T fits in that slot and the whole device is rotated 90 degrees so the device is locked in. A ratchet strap or winch cable is attached to the other end.
Looks like the bolt pattern holding it on is the same. If I wanted one on that side I would buy a replacement for the passenger side and swap that one out.
@@CraigSmith568 I bet you're right. I'm sure Toyota would also sell you the bright red ARB branded recovery points from the higher trim tacos like the pro.
Mr. Thomas Mica, that is the most thorough, informative, impartial, and professional vehicle review I think I have ever seen. Hand to god. I usually look to Alex Dykes when I want a professional review but buddy, you just blew him out of the water. You have become such a professional driving force at TFL, all the while maintaining your great personality and appropriate sense of humor, it really makes me proud to be a TFL viewer. When your Dad is finally ready to hang up his spurs (and rants), TFL is going to be in top notch hands for as long as I can imagine you running the company. Absolute, unqualified excellence. I will probably never own a Taco in my life, but I was in the car business for 25 years before retiring due to injury, and still spend every day hoovering up all the information I can on cars and trucks and the industry, and now I know everything I need to know about that model and trim level. You, Sir, are an absolute Professional. Great review, incredible job, keep up the good work.
So glad you guys out the vehicles on a lift now. Love these details because the manufacturers don’t talk too much about this stuff or show us what’s changed etc.
Honestly I fully expected the Tacoma to fail on the slip test and the off road course. What Toyota is able to accomplish with just a low range and grabbing the brakes on slipping tires is really truly impressive.
The first thing I noticed on the new Tacoma from the reveal was that exhaust pipe so far back. Just looks off to me. It’s tucked in much better on the Tundra. Like they didn’t bother shortening the length for the Tacoma.
It's more expensive, but the F150's speed sensitive front spoiler is a better solution. Dealers should keep replacement Taco spoilers in stock. One curb and they're toast.
120% just because there isn't a button. Doesn't mean you can't just auto input it. I've done these tests and how the truck moves. This is so the case a trac or crawl control. Why would it create the same sound and effects as 3rd gen? I'm loving this LIMITED!
This is awesome. Love this ! What i see is perfect. No extra buttons to push On the easy trail go 4 hi for most. When you dont get enough. Switch to 4 low. No different when you turn your lockers on and off for certain situations. Just need a full arb skidplate setup and real tires. Limited is good to go! Oh and of course take off the chin.
Great video! Wonderfully informative. Love the interior of the Limited. Not a fan of exterior chrome, but it is tastefully done and elegant. I just can’t imagine spending that much money on a mid-size truck. If I buy a Tacoma at the end of 2024, it will be the SR5. I am guessing even the TRD Sport will be too pricey. I know the TRD OR is too expensive.
@@johntotten4872 thanks! I have been playing around with it. By budget says SR5! I will definitely cross shop across brands and trims. I am a Toyota fan, but will where the best “deals” are in late 2024.
Same here, paid off 23 TRD Sport 4x4 Premium. 1 year old and 5,600 mi. I like the looks of this gen especially the interior, just leery of a turbo 4 cyl.
I install the OTT tune on my 21 TRD OR . Fixed the trans issues with gear hunting. A little extra power and more tq down low. Transformed the truck. A must for anyone who isn’t married to the dealer or worried about the warranty.
The composite bed looks pretty squared off - that would be very helpful for building drawers, bedslides, camping setups etc. Hopefully that's not just a pre-production thing.
Speaking of pre-production vehicles sent to the crusher and cubed into cans, I can also think of a few steel and aluminum items. Among them, the steel frames supporting the IKEA ALEX desk. Looking at the Tacoma, it can haul an office. All of them flat-packed.
Loved thr video and glad to see it did great. Can't wait for your review and testing of the TRD offroad. Would be curious of your thoughts on the TRD sport trim as well.
... ty for the review, gotta admit for the price toyota is asking and seeing surface rust starting on parts already it does not seem to good for more then a lease or rental ...
The front suspension is near identical to the outgoing model. The tie rod is tiny. Some Kia products have bigger tie rods. That body mount is gonna become a problem real fast when guys start lifting these.
I am sure if you looked at housing costs back in 1988 adn compare them to now you would see the same trend. Also to some degree you would have to look at your wages from the same years as well. Almost everything always goes up in price.
Ya. I bought a 4x4 Ranger about the same time for similar money. Great little truck. $52k is out of the question for this truck with all the toys it has. I need way less options and a lower price.
@@FrankySilverFace Then kit out a SR model? I did a quick build on a nicely optioned TRD OR and it came in at $51k. Has almost all the same stuff and more OR performance.
Look at the bright side of life 😃. In ten years looking back this price will seem like a bargain. Ten more years when new model year ICE vehicles are completely banned it will look magical in retrospect. 😆
Ive had every Toyota truck since 86'( not tundras) i currently have the 3rd gen, but i think im done with a truck. Dont need the bed anymore. These vids are making me so excited for the 4Runner
I can’t believe Toyota has now replaced their steel front skid plate with a plastic cover. Along with removing the transfer case skid plate. Yet increased cost dramatically.
Great review Tommy. Those 3 wheel tests is awesome and really good to know ,Toyota does it again for the customer and the next generation, awesome awesome too actually see it happen.
Very well put together video from TFL. Through, polished and even a touch of drone footage with a Burmese Mountain Dog - Blaze. Great, great job here. Thank you.
I know that these are pre-production model which are being tested but still I must mention that the trim fittings (plastics) look cheap.really hope the production models will have higher quality.
Thanks for the review and info Tommy and TFL! I don’t know but I’d bet that is the biggest and longest muffler ever placed on a small/ midsize pickup, if not any pickup. Maybe it was the camera angle but that thing looked huge!
It did very well in the trenches with two wheels lifted off of the ground and going up hill. Thats pretty moderate and more than 99% of owners would ever take their trucks through.
Beautiful Dog! Glad Toyota found the recovery-hook shipment. That's one of the reasons I'm currently driving a Tremor. I do still have my 02 Taco though, and my 13 Rock Warrior is still tearing it up as a company truck (probably the most reliable in this office).
I feel like the passport trail sport you tested recently did almost as good. Makes me even more impressed with that Honda and system 😮 (Obviously this with better tires and a locker from the TRD off road would blow the Honda away)
Can't wait to see how bad the frame and undercarriage rusts. My 4Runners have always developed frame rot after a few years, despite the fact that I powerwashed the entire undercarriage after every winter. I vowed to never buy another Toyota truck or SUV until Toyota learned how to build them without rusting out.
That basic 4wd system is just one set of aggressive tires away from being completely capable unless you're trying to get it stuck. The redesign is very handsome too.
When you are in the snow or on ice, turn the traction control off and you aren’t limited by speed or wheel slippage while in fwd high or just two wheel drive. The term “traction control assist” isn’t the best label for this feature. Traction control assist is actually designed for highway speeds to help you get around curvy roadways without losing control. Also the 3rd gen Tacoma and the current 4th gen have vents under the front seats that blow cool or warm air as needed. There just aren’t vents in the center console.
It looked like there was a button at 10:18 for turning off an auto-stop/start function. Does the 4th gen Tacoma have that? I haven't seen any reviewers mention that yet, which is surprising since it is such a controversial "feature". If so, is that just a Limited thing or do more trims have that too? (all auto transmissions?)
Great introduction to the new Tacoma. Especially the explanation of the parts on the underbody. You can see the components and their function really well. Why didn't you remove that ugly front lip that destroys ground clearance? Great video! With everything included. Even with a dog. Best regards.
The second (driver’s side) “recovery point” looks to me like a tie down for holding the vehicle down on a car carrier. I doubt it’s a rated recovery point.
The only reason I had like the 2017 tacoma is the seat position, u driving flat and relax, u seat low to the ground, love the 2017, the 3.5 v6 is really powerful and reliable, love the 6 speed auto also
Everything TFL does is great. I would love to see you guys spend a day with the guys over at 74Weld (on TH-cam) and the portals that they design for Jeep/Toyota/etc.
I saw in some of the literature for the fourth GEN, that SR SR5 and sport models all had atrac standards with 4x4 was curious about the limited looks like it has it too!
This truck is priced the same as a GMC Canyon Denali. Go watch the review of the Canyon Denali and see if you think this truck has any business being the same price as that truck. (Less towing, ground clearance, auto 4wd, interior quality, infotainment, rear seat room, rear AC vents, horse power, torque, styling, etc.)
And with the Denali you have to pay extra for the towing package, the bed lights, a bed liner, and the sunroof. Interior quality could be debated as well as the infotainment. Specs are close enough for it to be irrelevant considering no one buys a Denali to go off-road. No compressor, automated running boards or automated tailgate on the Denali is even available. Best thing GMC could do is add Super Cruise to the Denali.
@@Dusdaddy I agree that no one buys a Denali or Limited to go offroad. (Most buy a Denali to tow in comfort). The Denali comes standard with automatic mode 4wd, standard spray in bed liner, the cargo lights are a $0 option and the trailering package is $390 if you want a trailer brake controller (giving you 7700 lbs. of towing capacity while the Toyota doesn't offer any trim that tows over 6500 lbs. and some in the 5K's). Sunroof is optional (I'm not a fan of them so I like that you can get one without). The convenience between fixed running boards and damped tailgate vs electronic running boards and electronic tailgate is debatable and likely personal preference. When it comes to a truck doing truck things with added comfort, (Limited & Denali) the Limited just doesn't seem to match up to it's rivals in anything but price.
@@blute3085 Good catch on the liner! But the bed lights say $350 and the prograde trailering kit, which would match the Limited, runs $665. Plus, no one is gonna tow anything over 5000 with either truck. Sure, it has the power to pull 7k but the trailer would throw that little truck all over the road. Both are Luxury versions of their respective models and really don't see much advantage of one over the other. If anything, the Limited does a better job because it has a more luxury package with powered steps, powered tailgate, and powered rear window.
Yah and all you need to do is put some tires and Undercarriage armor. This is as basic as it gets. You don't need anymore then this. It's got a FT 4wd with hybrid. So all power from top of line models and has the capabilities as just shown here. Think about how 3rd gen limited was. That was just an sr5 with different colors. It had no lockers or anything. Now limited is showing something completely different.
I'm still torture testing my 2002 Tacoma. It's got 233k miles on it and I beat the shit out of it off road and it just keep going and going. So I think I'll keep it and let y'all have them monthly payments lol
Toyota's traction control has always been pretty smart though this looks pretty improved. My 2016 is surprisingly good with open diffs in low range. Probably wouldn't get you going uphill with multiple wheels slipping but on moderately flat ground it can do a lot.
I just can’t wrap my mind around $55K for a pickup. We have a 11 Range super cab 4WD with a 6’ bed. It’s too bad that Toyota stopped importing the Hilux into the USA. If they would start importing the small Hilux into the USA in a 4WD extra cab Hybrid, I’d sell both my car and my Ranger and buy it.
Thank you, Tommy, great overview. Sorry, can't do it. I can give up my 8cyl for a 6cyl reluctantly, but not my 6cyl for a 4cyl, not going to do it. OUCH - midsized truck priced into the area of decent full-sized trucks.
I found it's about the same difference. A well-equipped Ram Rebel runs 70K+. A luxury mid-size is still about 20K+ from a luxury full-size. The lower you go the closer they get but always about 10k.
Very thorough review. Great job Tommy
You should do an MPG test. Chin on vs Chin off.
I can get 20 mpg in my 1st gen on 33s so these things should be getting closer to 30….. if they didn’t make them as heavy as a half ton I believe they’d hit that mark.
@@freedomisntfree_44 you’re 100% right. The truck size arms race of the past 20 years has cost a lot in fuel economy.
They already said (in a other video) they are gonna do that
Toy needs a hybrid and EV option, but hey the Taco finally got rear disc brakes.
Meanwhile the competition improves... I'll pass a turbo 4 for a EV Rivian any day. Add a Solar converter to add overlanding range to boot.
@@freedomisntfree_44 the weight of the newer vehicles is somewhat caused by the need to meet safety standards, which are primarily required by the government. Unfortunately, the government uses safety as a way to control businesses and people. In a few years if it's not stopped, all vehicles will be required to have a breathalyzer or be able to accept a breathalyzer. I can't remember exactly but look it up. It's all in the name of safety.
7:44 for the slip test it would be cool to see you put some kind of sticker or mark on the tire, to see how much it actually rotates before it activates the brake and sends power to the other wheel. It looked like a 1/4 turn on that test which is really good
I like seeing the standard trucks 4WD system, we all know the TRD with lockers will do ok. But the regular is what I want to see!
Thats why i like my Canyon, they all have it standard
Yeah the SR5 model with the standard four wheel drive will probably be popular. If I can make due with that model, I will get one.
Yah, these modern 4wheel systems that use traction control with open diffs are surprisingly good. Not as good as a full on system, but almost no one actually needs them outside of e-peen.
Nice to know that saving money and getting the Sr5 version still comes with serious off road performance. Would be a great truck for driving on the beach for surf fishing, etc.
For real! Just need to add some skid plates.
I had a 3rd gen TRD pro and never used the crawl control or MTS. The MTS never made much difference and I never found I practical use for crawl control. The suspension was a joke compared to even moderately priced aftermarket options. Save the money and get yourself some tires a better suspension setup and you'll leave any stock TRD, Pro or Off-Road, in the dust.
@@dcl97 The only thing i would disagree slightly on is that the built in locker is a nice to have with the TRD Offroad. Do i really need a lockable diff, not really, but it nice that it is integrated with the truck. Otherwise agree that the other elements are not really needed on the upper trims.
I'll be curious how the traction control system works on the New Hybrid power train when that comes out
@@dcl97l think you’re right, you may get to camp sooner. But, a Toyota would get there , sooner or later.
And I’m just now getting used to my gen 3 . I’ll say it’s a great truck, the gen 3. But I’ll say this new truck gives me a 🫷
Toyota mentioned in earlier videos that A-Trac is now in all 4x4 trims and engages without a switch. Consistent with what's seen here.
Im unfamiliar with it is it really a game changer?
@dr._breens_beard yes, it is similar to crawl control and uses the brakes to limit slip. In all honesty ATRAC for 95% of people is all you need.
@@parkerdalo3248 thats awesome! I hate that most trac controls basically did nothing for actually adverse conditions. I wonder if it could be adapted for fwd cars
Now that time has passed do yo know if all automatic 4x4 trims like the SR will have a trac?
It would be great to see these slip tests for new full size trucks that don’t have lockers.
Exactly I would like to see that too, I had no idea the most basic Ram 4 x 4 without LCD or lockers have brake based AWD showing on their test, it would be good to see if other manufacturers do the same
Agree
I asked of this a long time ago and some idiot commented that it didn’t make sense to do a slip test with trucks. Well why not? People buy trucks for traction.
The Nissan Titans ABLS system seems to outperform all others. It's very aggressive in low range like the Toyota
@Ornelas11B a slip test is very relevant in a pickup. You need that traction when working on lease roads and rugged terrain the way many trucks do. Whoever said that nonsense is ignorant.
Nice that Toyota put a snow plow on it from factory.
King Tacoma king 👑. Best truck in the world in any segment period. Gorgeous ❤️
Glad Toyota kept to the basic Tacoma recipe and didn't wildly change it.
i feel like a turbo i4 is a pretty wild change from a natural v6@@volvo09
Great video for the slip test. Would love to see one with Andre’s Trail Boss
With Toyotas history with frame rust I would still opt for a coating of Fluid Film.
The strange "recovery" point on the drivers side is called a T hook slot and is specifically for tying the vehicle down for transport. They are ubiquitous on imported cars that come in on a boat. While strong, it is't there as a recovery point. That's what the U loop is for. There should be several more T hook slots on the back somewhere, maybe the frame. I saw you mention more recovery points in the hitch so maybe that is the location. A T hook is a T shaped device where the top of the T fits in that slot and the whole device is rotated 90 degrees so the device is locked in. A ratchet strap or winch cable is attached to the other end.
Looks like the bolt pattern holding it on is the same. If I wanted one on that side I would buy a replacement for the passenger side and swap that one out.
@@CraigSmith568 I bet you're right. I'm sure Toyota would also sell you the bright red ARB branded recovery points from the higher trim tacos like the pro.
Mr. Thomas Mica, that is the most thorough, informative, impartial, and professional vehicle review I think I have ever seen. Hand to god. I usually look to Alex Dykes when I want a professional review but buddy, you just blew him out of the water. You have become such a professional driving force at TFL, all the while maintaining your great personality and appropriate sense of humor, it really makes me proud to be a TFL viewer. When your Dad is finally ready to hang up his spurs (and rants), TFL is going to be in top notch hands for as long as I can imagine you running the company. Absolute, unqualified excellence. I will probably never own a Taco in my life, but I was in the car business for 25 years before retiring due to injury, and still spend every day hoovering up all the information I can on cars and trucks and the industry, and now I know everything I need to know about that model and trim level. You, Sir, are an absolute Professional. Great review, incredible job, keep up the good work.
So glad you guys out the vehicles on a lift now. Love these details because the manufacturers don’t talk too much about this stuff or show us what’s changed etc.
Great comment
Honestly I fully expected the Tacoma to fail on the slip test and the off road course. What Toyota is able to accomplish with just a low range and grabbing the brakes on slipping tires is really truly impressive.
Land Rover has been doing it for years!😂
@@krover01 So has Jeep. And even Subaru for that matter. Audi too.
@Japplesnap, yep, but even TFL will agree LR was one of, if not the first to have brake bias traction control.
@@krover01 Sure, but my point is that everyone is doing it now and they are all very effective.
@@Japplesnapsome perform better than others. My Subaru would always flash over heated tranny when put to just moderate use.
Seriously though....been subscribed to this channel for so many years. Great job Tommy and crew. Very professional, thorough, and enjoyable to watch.
The first thing I noticed on the new Tacoma from the reveal was that exhaust pipe so far back. Just looks off to me. It’s tucked in much better on the Tundra. Like they didn’t bother shortening the length for the Tacoma.
It's more expensive, but the F150's speed sensitive front spoiler is a better solution. Dealers should keep replacement Taco spoilers in stock. One curb and they're toast.
it's as if the Lo range triggers a hidden ATRAC system.
Toyota mentioned in earlier videos that A-Trac is now in all 4x4 trims and engages without a switch. Consistent with what's seen here.
120% just because there isn't a button. Doesn't mean you can't just auto input it. I've done these tests and how the truck moves. This is so the case a trac or crawl control. Why would it create the same sound and effects as 3rd gen? I'm loving this LIMITED!
No, it multiplied torque JUST enough to get off rollers on concrete LOL
That chin spoiler is hilarious
Did Jay Leno design that chin spoiler?
Translation: 4H is for wet road conditions. Tops out at a level dirt/gravel road or driveway.
4L for everything else.
4lo for crawling only. Mud requires Hi range
Very impressive traction control programming.
I like seeing the detailed walk underneath. Keep that coming for new trucks.
This is awesome. Love this ! What i see is perfect. No extra buttons to push
On the easy trail go 4 hi for most. When you dont get enough. Switch to 4 low. No different when you turn your lockers on and off for certain situations. Just need a full arb skidplate setup and real tires. Limited is good to go! Oh and of course take off the chin.
Chin comes off at the dealership and tell them to put it in the dumpster😂
Great video! Wonderfully informative. Love the interior of the Limited. Not a fan of exterior chrome, but it is tastefully done and elegant. I just can’t imagine spending that much money on a mid-size truck. If I buy a Tacoma at the end of 2024, it will be the SR5. I am guessing even the TRD Sport will be too pricey. I know the TRD OR is too expensive.
Toyota now has the build configurator up on their site so you can see the differences between the models and prices.
@@johntotten4872 thanks! I have been playing around with it. By budget says SR5! I will definitely cross shop across brands and trims. I am a Toyota fan, but will where the best “deals” are in late 2024.
When explaining Blaze's usb ports, I thought you were going to mention his lack of thumbs.
Nice job. I really like these tests of AWD and 4x4 systems. You explain it really well.
Man i wanted to see how well the fake/simulated LSD rear differential worked with only 1 rear wheel on the rollers in 2wd.
Impressed that it made it through the Off-road test with the chin spoiler on.
Love my paid off 21 tacoma !! Only put 32k miles since new lol never going back into a car loan
Same here, paid off 23 TRD Sport 4x4 Premium. 1 year old and 5,600 mi. I like the looks of this gen especially the interior, just leery of a turbo 4 cyl.
Not going to lie, the berner is what caught my eye to watch the review 🐶
Great video Tommy. Very informative. I liked being able to see the underside when it was on the lift. Great idea!!
I love how rigid the new frame looks on that trench test.
19:32 Wow, that traction control system is amazing!!
Blaze needs to be in more videos
Many of us do have our dogs in the backseat with their heads out.
Need to teach him to lift his leg on recovery points that are not painted red.....
Awesome review. 4L ❤
I install the OTT tune on my 21 TRD OR . Fixed the trans issues with gear hunting. A little extra power and more tq down low. Transformed the truck. A must for anyone who isn’t married to the dealer or worried about the warranty.
Dealer won’t know unless you tell them lolol
The composite bed looks pretty squared off - that would be very helpful for building drawers, bedslides, camping setups etc. Hopefully that's not just a pre-production thing.
Pretty much the same as the 2023. My son's TRD looks just like that one including the storage box.
I'm just not impressed, to be honest. If I had to buy a midsize truck, i think I would rather go for a Colorado.
It’s nice to see the under pinnings in the lift. I also enjoyed watching the slip tests with different modes etc. Great review.
Speaking of pre-production vehicles sent to the crusher and cubed into cans, I can also think of a few steel and aluminum items. Among them, the steel frames supporting the IKEA ALEX desk. Looking at the Tacoma, it can haul an office. All of them flat-packed.
Loved thr video and glad to see it did great. Can't wait for your review and testing of the TRD offroad. Would be curious of your thoughts on the TRD sport trim as well.
Tommy doing his best Vanna White in this video
... ty for the review, gotta admit for the price toyota is asking and seeing surface rust starting on parts already it does not seem to good for more then a lease or rental ...
great review - love that you are doing real off road testing where the wheels are in the air
Really enjoyed the review!
Need to see the roller test as a regular test. This is so insightful to the average viewer.
The front suspension is near identical to the outgoing model. The tie rod is tiny. Some Kia products have bigger tie rods. That body mount is gonna become a problem real fast when guys start lifting these.
I guess it shows my age because I can't get past the 52k price point.
It's hard to believe i paid 11.5k for a new 1988 4x4 Toyota.
I am sure if you looked at housing costs back in 1988 adn compare them to now you would see the same trend. Also to some degree you would have to look at your wages from the same years as well. Almost everything always goes up in price.
Ya. I bought a 4x4 Ranger about the same time for similar money. Great little truck. $52k is out of the question for this truck with all the toys it has. I need way less options and a lower price.
@@FrankySilverFace Then kit out a SR model? I did a quick build on a nicely optioned TRD OR and it came in at $51k. Has almost all the same stuff and more OR performance.
Look at the bright side of life 😃. In ten years looking back this price will seem like a bargain. Ten more years when new model year ICE vehicles are completely banned it will look magical in retrospect. 😆
Ive had every Toyota truck since 86'( not tundras) i currently have the 3rd gen, but i think im done with a truck. Dont need the bed anymore. These vids are making me so excited for the 4Runner
Great video ! Would like to hear more about your impressions of the AVS.
Second recovery point looks like a tiedown rather than recovery point
I can’t believe Toyota has now replaced their steel front skid plate with a plastic cover. Along with removing the transfer case skid plate. Yet increased cost dramatically.
Great review Tommy. Those 3 wheel tests is awesome and really good to know ,Toyota does it again for the customer and the next generation, awesome awesome too actually see it happen.
If only they had done more for the guys with 3rd gen lemons.
Very well put together video from TFL. Through, polished and even a touch of drone footage with a Burmese Mountain Dog - Blaze. Great, great job here. Thank you.
I know that these are pre-production model which are being tested but still I must mention that the trim fittings (plastics) look cheap.really hope the production models will have higher quality.
that front air dam is hideoussssss
Thanks for the review and info Tommy and TFL! I don’t know but I’d bet that is the biggest and longest muffler ever placed on a small/ midsize pickup, if not any pickup. Maybe it was the camera angle but that thing looked huge!
Blaze should be your official rear seat tester on all future truck reviews😃👍
That 4-Low slip test is pretty good for something with no lockers. I'd like to see how it handles some real world mild to moderate off road stuff.
It did very well in the trenches with two wheels lifted off of the ground and going up hill. Thats pretty moderate and more than 99% of owners would ever take their trucks through.
Beautiful Dog! Glad Toyota found the recovery-hook shipment. That's one of the reasons I'm currently driving a Tremor. I do still have my 02 Taco though, and my 13 Rock Warrior is still tearing it up as a company truck (probably the most reliable in this office).
I feel like the passport trail sport you tested recently did almost as good. Makes me even more impressed with that Honda and system 😮 (Obviously this with better tires and a locker from the TRD off road would blow the Honda away)
Praying to lord Jesus those seats can get swamped into the gen 3s. The look of the lumbar excites me.
Will you do a Colorado slip test?
Be interesting to see the results.
Thanks for the review Skinny Roman
Can't wait to see how bad the frame and undercarriage rusts. My 4Runners have always developed frame rot after a few years, despite the fact that I powerwashed the entire undercarriage after every winter. I vowed to never buy another Toyota truck or SUV until Toyota learned how to build them without rusting out.
That basic 4wd system is just one set of aggressive tires away from being completely capable unless you're trying to get it stuck. The redesign is very handsome too.
When you are in the snow or on ice, turn the traction control off and you aren’t limited by speed or wheel slippage while in fwd high or just two wheel drive. The term “traction control assist” isn’t the best label for this feature. Traction control assist is actually designed for highway speeds to help you get around curvy roadways without losing control. Also the 3rd gen Tacoma and the current 4th gen have vents under the front seats that blow cool or warm air as needed. There just aren’t vents in the center console.
It looked like there was a button at 10:18 for turning off an auto-stop/start function. Does the 4th gen Tacoma have that? I haven't seen any reviewers mention that yet, which is surprising since it is such a controversial "feature". If so, is that just a Limited thing or do more trims have that too? (all auto transmissions?)
3:48 I'm surprised the suspension components and axle already has rust on it on a brand new car 😮
like every Chevy and ford on the lot?
It's a preproduction test vehicle. Probably been around for a few years.
Great introduction to the new Tacoma. Especially the explanation of the parts on the underbody. You can see the components and their function really well. Why didn't you remove that ugly front lip that destroys ground clearance? Great video! With everything included. Even with a dog. Best regards.
The second (driver’s side) “recovery point” looks to me like a tie down for holding the vehicle down on a car carrier. I doubt it’s a rated recovery point.
Gotta be enough to use otherwise they wouldn't leave it accessible.
Where did you find the 10mm socket? Are these still available?
The only reason I had like the 2017 tacoma is the seat position, u driving flat and relax, u seat low to the ground, love the 2017, the 3.5 v6 is really powerful and reliable, love the 6 speed auto also
Everything TFL does is great. I would love to see you guys spend a day with the guys over at 74Weld (on TH-cam) and the portals that they design for Jeep/Toyota/etc.
Love to see your LR3 do the slip test and on the off road course.
Love the fact "Blaise" was supervising the slip test!
I saw in some of the literature for the fourth GEN, that SR SR5 and sport models all had atrac standards with 4x4 was curious about the limited looks like it has it too!
This is NOT the standard 4WD as other Tacomas, the limited uses a full time 4WD system with a locking center diff.
Not this one
Yeah, the full-time 4wd will only come with the hybrid engine. Same with the active suspension.
@@TFLoffroad I’m going by Toyota’s build/price/ comparison tool on their website.
@@Dusdaddy That’s not what their website says, if I’m wrong, then their site is wrong as well.
@@smrtguy77777their site says “Available i-FORCE MAX 2.4L turbocharged hybrid engine
Available Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS)”
This truck is priced the same as a GMC Canyon Denali. Go watch the review of the Canyon Denali and see if you think this truck has any business being the same price as that truck. (Less towing, ground clearance, auto 4wd, interior quality, infotainment, rear seat room, rear AC vents, horse power, torque, styling, etc.)
And with the Denali you have to pay extra for the towing package, the bed lights, a bed liner, and the sunroof. Interior quality could be debated as well as the infotainment. Specs are close enough for it to be irrelevant considering no one buys a Denali to go off-road. No compressor, automated running boards or automated tailgate on the Denali is even available. Best thing GMC could do is add Super Cruise to the Denali.
@@Dusdaddy I agree that no one buys a Denali or Limited to go offroad. (Most buy a Denali to tow in comfort). The Denali comes standard with automatic mode 4wd, standard spray in bed liner, the cargo lights are a $0 option and the trailering package is $390 if you want a trailer brake controller (giving you 7700 lbs. of towing capacity while the Toyota doesn't offer any trim that tows over 6500 lbs. and some in the 5K's). Sunroof is optional (I'm not a fan of them so I like that you can get one without). The convenience between fixed running boards and damped tailgate vs electronic running boards and electronic tailgate is debatable and likely personal preference. When it comes to a truck doing truck things with added comfort, (Limited & Denali) the Limited just doesn't seem to match up to it's rivals in anything but price.
@@blute3085 Good catch on the liner! But the bed lights say $350 and the prograde trailering kit, which would match the Limited, runs $665. Plus, no one is gonna tow anything over 5000 with either truck. Sure, it has the power to pull 7k but the trailer would throw that little truck all over the road. Both are Luxury versions of their respective models and really don't see much advantage of one over the other. If anything, the Limited does a better job because it has a more luxury package with powered steps, powered tailgate, and powered rear window.
It’s nice to see Blaze doing good 🐶
Good review..4L saves the day for that particular trim model..52K is pretty expensive for a midsized truck imho..
$52K before taxes and fees for a not top of the line Tacoma, Ouch.
Yah and all you need to do is put some tires and Undercarriage armor. This is as basic as it gets. You don't need anymore then this. It's got a FT 4wd with hybrid. So all power from top of line models and has the capabilities as just shown here. Think about how 3rd gen limited was. That was just an sr5 with different colors. It had no lockers or anything. Now limited is showing something completely different.
I’ve heard you say it several times now but I still can’t wrap my mind around $53K. Hate to see what the TRD is going to cost.
Great video. Can't wait for the offroad spec.
15:59 It's-a me, Mario!
I just can’t wait for the ike gauntlet test with this thing. Really see if that four-cylinder is up for it
What a great way to start my day, with TFL.
Rear discs? But engineers and fanboys of the 3rd gen said drums were superior for off roading 🙄.
I'm still torture testing my 2002 Tacoma. It's got 233k miles on it and I beat the shit out of it off road and it just keep going and going. So I think I'll keep it and let y'all have them monthly payments lol
Been a bit since I have watch a full video from tfl. Seems like a advertisement channel now 😆😆
2023 is the sought after Tacoma
Lets be real...Blaze is the star of the video.
So few reviews mention the HUD on the Limited. I think its a very cool feature.
Toyota's traction control has always been pretty smart though this looks pretty improved. My 2016 is surprisingly good with open diffs in low range. Probably wouldn't get you going uphill with multiple wheels slipping but on moderately flat ground it can do a lot.
Tommy glad to see you bring your dog out.👍
I just can’t wrap my mind around $55K for a pickup.
We have a 11 Range super cab 4WD with a 6’ bed.
It’s too bad that Toyota stopped importing the Hilux into the USA. If they would start importing the small Hilux into the USA in a 4WD extra cab Hybrid, I’d sell both my car and my Ranger and buy it.
I tuned in for the sweatshirt.
Thank you, Tommy, great overview. Sorry, can't do it. I can give up my 8cyl for a 6cyl reluctantly, but not my 6cyl for a 4cyl, not going to do it.
OUCH - midsized truck priced into the area of decent full-sized trucks.
I found it's about the same difference. A well-equipped Ram Rebel runs 70K+. A luxury mid-size is still about 20K+ from a luxury full-size. The lower you go the closer they get but always about 10k.