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I don't want them to nerf dragons, just refine their AI a bit. They did something new with the AI and its awesome hence the different flavors of dragons, butttt sometimes the ai stacks mechanics and what you have is a field with exactly no floor because it has done 4 or 5 mechanics at the same time... but they are new and I think their difficulty (cept maybe black dragon which is obviously stronger than the other) is just right.
As for rogues, I think they are bananas strong, BUTTT not so much so that they are OP, I think they are strong, but so is warlock, and as a suprise to many, so are clerics... CW needs a little help (tiny), and barbarians are underperforming in every category.... but that's not a rogue problem. I don't mind seeing rogues where they are, especially making a warlock and knowing I can mostly keep up with rogues. If anything bleed effect might be a little overtuned but not anything to fuss over especially since we dont know what the band of air change will do. It is also worth noting that rogues have way more irritating shit to deal with in dragons than range. This wasn't the case in many dungeons, but in this new content being a rogue got way harder!
So mostly agree with this aside from the few things I stated, good video
Edit: I am comparing classes as average to high skilled examples, if you are bad at your class you will not do good damage on any of them :p especially with stat scaling.
You must not have played very long, because for years it was warlocks n barbarians or barbs n clerics or barbs n fighters. Rogues and rangers have only very recently gotten a little live from cryptic
@@fauckcryptic3977 I don't think you read my message :p
@@rlesley74 I agree with that - Rogues were a super neglected class for many many years.
Something I've noticed in random PE groups is an increase in 70k players doing no damage. It's mainly the dragonvale gear and a bunch of mythic enchants. I think they assume are 70k+ they are "endgame". I wonder how many of them are the ones complaining
Yes if you are 70k item level are your stats close to 70k otherwise you are toast- it also sucks if everyone comes in with their t-Rex debuff and only 1 works so a great question is - who is your companion and mount
That gear is toxic.
@Katak lmao I like what you called these players 😆😆😆
did grind weekly quota with pugs and theres insane amount of lazy people who cant even press buttons... some healers well coudlnt heal at all... some did just fine with 60% power&outgoing healing keeping tank alive vs ancient blacks without any trouble...
No class should be nerfed. They should all be balanced to perform their role. My main was a Wizard a long time ago. I loved the ability to freeze and control mobs while my group destroyed them. I didn't care about top damage. I just loved seeing ice everywhere and pillars of frozen enemies. Then they started to perform really well in TOMM. Ppl got jealous and the witch hunt began. NERF THE WIZARD. Nerfed it so bad paragon path Thaumaturge was completely and utterly useless. Check your ego's ppl. You won't always be top dps in every run, because some classes may have an ability that affords them an advantage in certain situations. Which is fair. The biggest problem I see with dragon hunts are uncoordinated and uncooperative players. A group w debuff/buff artifacts and mounts simultaneously activating and properly timed will burn a dragon down. Even w a dps only doing 10 mill or less the whole run. Nope, you have players w garbage stats and gear thinking that legendary toad the just got will one shot them into top pain giver. Players in there popping staff of flowers 🤣. Well set up attack can burn black dragon down easy, even w a group that isn't end game. I've done it w my alts. Check your ego's and prepare for the groups success not for your dps. I'll run spined devil, drizzt, swarm, kos whatever to help w the burn and still finish top dps. So, helping others do more damage won't effect you as much. Dragon hunts are difficult because players make it difficult by not using what they have to perform better. So, no no nerfs and no dragon hunts are not difficult ppl are 😐. Also, if your companion bolster is not maxed and mounts mythic gear won't help much. You will benefit more from maxing out your comps to increase your stats then raising your item level a bit. I gotta get back to work. ✌️
Pls dont use the bad "b"-word. Every time they try to balance they overdo and one or more classes suffer xD
@@KayDSmith 🤣 yea, well no one has felt it more than the Wizard's. Bring back the days of Master of flames 🔥
Ye i can imagine. I play barb and cleric, those have had rough times around mod 16-18. Fortunately they fixed this issue
Love this new system of how you grind to get gear the rng system suks butt especially when I was grinding for the first rib cage and getting 3 helms at once like really this works better the grind system
Rng is just pain in the a$$ took me 12 lures for ribcage to drop. Others within 1-3 lures. Same with BoA. I really like the nu system but i hope theres some real content following soon.
Nobody was complaining about rogues before they added that stupid broken band of air to the game. I don't think it makes sense that someone with mythic everything and perfectly balanced stats gets out dps-ed by some pleb with crap everything, uncapped stats and band of air
@@fauckcryptic3977 Rangers get out dps by anyone who knows how to play their class. I'm one of the best hrs on xbox and always get outdps by good players of different classes mostly clerics fighters warlocks and rogues in trials, in dungeons mostly just rogues do better. I've met 2 hrs that gave me a run for my money and im almost positive they were legacy characters. It takes a lot of skill to play hr at a high level so leave hrs outta this.
@@fauckcryptic3977 which means nothing since rogue at will can proc band of air 10x in 4 sec. And just having 6 encounters means nothing 2 of them are trash and do less dmg than an at will. Besides that, you still have to learn how to use them properly that's why there's so few good hrs out there. And your "goldenboy" classes are rogue fighter and cleric crazy how all 3 of those require very little skill to play besides cleric who has a slightly higher skill ceiling.
Agree... dragons should not be to easy, you need to put work into grind to get gear. I find bit boring and not exciteing to get all i need in one week. After hard work and good results i feel pride and that all was worth
Today i carryed a group in spellplage with a 54k rogue, the healer was upset Cuz i was melting mobs, but Its not Op build at all, got mithyc batiri, minsc, leg Grung and leg Neverwinter Knight as bonuses and always Go for the Combat advantage.
If i get any 3 hits with 600k life = dead XD.
I almost break my controller everytime i play a RAQ for hear people say
"Look at that rogue, they surely Will nerf It soon" XD
I've played every class and rogue and barbarian are the 2 easiest classes to play. In single target rogue just uses 3 encounters and holds at-will and does insane damage. In aoe you press 3 or 4 buttons and jump around while everything dies. Not saying they should nerf rogue but the class is highly undeserving of its damage. The harder to play classes like bard and hunter ranger should be buffed to do more damage than easy classes. You said it well though rogue is balanced and should be used as a benchmark. Also you're 100% right about rogues not being bis in trials, other classes hit harder in st and/or bring more to team, like bard buffs and hr buffs. So I guess there's a pay off for playing a less damaging class like bard and hr but it's frustrating when a low skill cap, hdps class is favored over a class with team benefits and a difficult to master rotation.
all classes just press few buttons and thats it... :D
@@JohnSmith-is1qc lol sure I play console so bard vs rogue is a bit more than a few buttons. But for real I feel like jumping around pointlessly after using smoke bomb and path of blades is necessary to the rogues aoe rotation. Meanwhile the hr players slowly develop arthritis trying to kill a few adds or do 70% of rogues dmg in st. Like I said easy class no disputing that.
As a rogue I can aoe and pound on a tank and never win, if I skillfully dodge he can’t beat me so who is overpowered?
seen several times in reapers challenges that rogues arent really that great... where as barbs certainly seem to last much much better and seem more cookie cutters to play, in solo content all classes are just easy to play, with paladin you can drag whole quest instances once you get bane and nuke everything at end of instance :DS having essentially equal or even faster questing speed than rogues :D
@@JohnSmith-is1qc done plenty of reapers and yeah some of the constraints slow them down but typically in any content rogue performs extremely well with very little skill.
Dragons are tough - deal with it, I have trouble finding a good ancient dragon group without my alliance helping- I play a rogue- that said I usually lose if there isn’t a tank in the group, and if no healer of any type I go through heals extremely quick- it’s expensive to beat a dragon- you have to fully buff using potions scrolls, food , more potions , and finally refinements- then I battle
Positioning and dodging not ro forget
Well I guess the jokes on us as new equipment doesn’t work right or is it working as intended as you would say lol
I can’t wait for them to get rid of legacy toon I’m tired of them talking shit in chat
Dragons are fun because they are a challenge. Also, leave us rogues alone. The best challenge is pug adult with 3 dps and being to one that keeps aggro. You quickly learn the mechanics to be able to stay alive. And stones of course.
Yup leave us alone sheesh
Yea the bites arent a mechanic you can learn, prolly better to run a tank :p
THIS!!!! Right here!! I can't tell you how many times my rogue ends up tanking because I hold all of the aggro! Also highly frustrating~
What is killing me is people run Dragon Hunts with no MODS to get the 100 dragons faster. Then run another 15 dragons to get your gear. Why not run with mods every time it makes it more interesting and a challenge and when you get 100 Dragons you can buy pretty much whatever you want. And I play a warlock without BOA.
because I am currently at 95 dragons done and I have enough to buy 7 pieces of gear (except the ridges) because I dont care if we do mods or not... the amount of resources you get WITH mods makes it so you end up being able to grind about 30-50 of the dragons with no mods and still have plenty.
But many of us observed that there is not really mechanics in these dragons, but just a lot of same bs annoying tossing, stunning, disabling your encounters/powers by Cryptic Devs throwing in these dragons!
Well said, its not mythic just because they make it teal. A nerf to band of air is a buff to some classes. Cleric gets almost nothing from it compared to everyone else, we have no personal powers or feats that proc it and slow at wills.
I have only finished a couple ancient dragons with pugs. Just yesterday I was paired with a decent healer but the tanki and both other dps we're lower than 40k...they added 3 t3 modifiers and then complained it was too difficult. These dragons are great with the right group, they aren't too difficult as some have said. And if you pug at 40k, then prepare for a tough fight. That's all. Another great video GU. .....Oh, don't nerf the rogue, it's fine just the way it is.
I agree about the dragons but the black dragon really is a pain
Black one is also fine as long as he doesnt do his ulti 3 times in a row
Nerf only GU´s Rogue pls cryptic TY and Roll it
Dragon Hunts are not to hard, They are to "Easily Irritated" :D
Let is also be said, running Dragons with my Wizard is SOOOOOO much easier because I can do ranged damage and not get tossed all over the place all of the time whereas my rogue spent a ton of time flying although it does more damage. It's a trade-off. Either way, it only becomes hard when you pug and end up with a super weak group.... if I pug in a group that is super weak, I can't Tank AND do all of the DPS! Just saying...
def much harder for close rang damage dealer 100%
actually after running pugs for straight few days... theres clear pattern... rogues usually have power&ca rather high %... then again geared warlocks&wizards who know their stuff seem to do lots of dmg, which is pretty hilarious where as rogues spend their time on knees so certainly for "easy to play" class they need to be nurtured alot, mobs stunned by others/tanked/healed even good rogues seem to go on their knees on constant basis in RC's most of em act like its "nothing" ie.. instant release if they closeby campfire :D a in general boa rogue runs were slower than no rogue at all in party... pretty telling imho... albeit its not that anyone was trying their best... just how pc folks wander in pugs and actually boa seems to be guarantee on rogue for suicidal tendencies and lower completion time of dungeon in general
act longer completion time was ment to be said... most of normal "content" is so fast that having BOA means nothing having rogue... means nothing
People saying rogues need to be nerfed just don't know how to properly play they're chosen class. I've ran a bunch of dragons where the dps was easily carried by warlocks, wizards, & barbarians.
I agree, dragons are a good difficulty. Only thing that irks me is every once in a while you get into one where they knock you down so often that you literally can't get up, but those are pretty rare and normally just being in the wrong position at the wrong time.
Hey I hear dragons only eat the weak lol jokes but it's supposed to be a challenge the gear looks good to me.My guildmates and I had a good laugh at this vid good job, ps thank you.
The dragons are not difficult, lvl 63 whisperknife i do pretty good. If the tank is good it's usually an easy run. The black dragon can sometimes get heavy but meh, i've beat it many times, overrated lol. Saying that i have seen many, MANY lvl 70-80k rogues struggle, but this is down to their skill and NOT because the dragon are too difficult.
I always competing at rouge on my barb I can't even reach his dps 40-30 million gap lol 😂🤣
Same here in VoS i cant beat the rogue....but tbh: idc. Goal is to smack down final boss and to loot the chests ;)
@@KayDSmith I already get my boa still can't keep up
Ye, tr is a aoe monster xD i literally run behind them an pick up the Gold haha
I've just got my rogue to level 20 is there a certain rotation with my powers for single target and aoe just want to make sure I'm playing my class correctly. Enjoy your videos very informative ty.
Dragons are a PAIN but doable, players have been hating on TRs since the game started . My damage sucks until I git gud 👍
I don't do it because In 2 modules we can farm this Gear in the Siege event, Domit whit randoms it's a hard because players don't 2 simple things don't dodge and don respecto his roll
You have a way with words, my friend. ;P LOL! Love it! Keep up the great work. :D
Leave them alone but whisper knife does have bugs with there stealth gauge
How in the hell the dragons to hard lol i mean some can be assholes but its just random
100% right, rogue is pure dps like ranger and wizard so all three of them should be out damaging all other classes consistently. Never did understand why people don’t understand dual spec classes either don’t or shouldn’t be putting out the same damage as pure dps classes.
Well said xD
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Well said 👏 👌
they already nerfed xuna now they are going after the rogue class cause of boa build?
why not nerf all the other dps too they all do more or less the same amount of dmg with boa
Not true. Depends on content u run. But imo its more a BoA-issue then the rogue itself.
@@KayDSmith yeah its crazy how often it procs on all their stuff. It's 40% of their dmg in trials which is just insane. With the incoming nerfs some estimates were it'd reduce their dmg to 20%. If they gave it an internal cooldown like can only happen once every 2 or 3 seconds I feel like it'd be a lot more balanced between classes although it's be a heavy nerf since 10% chance every 3 sec isn't that good.
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Wish fighters were on the list lol. I respect my rogue friends ❤️ I know I'm you're favorite fighter though 😅😏😘
@@TRev0r84 Fighters are the best ST DAMAGE BRO. Love you to beother you know that
@@GalacticUnderwear I know single target we are best I just wish I had some better AOE. That said I will keep trying to be the best fighter and I can't wait till our next run ❤️
Dragons aren't hard when I'm tanking its face and the healer is timed to perfection. Dps high or dps low, the job gets done.
Rogue is the coolest class of the game...and nothing can change that...
No cap i agree
I bet one thing could easily change that: a rogue-nerf xD lickylicky
@@KayDSmith yes for poor people with a small brain 😁
@Marco Rossi nope, wouldnt be good to all tr out there as we know that cryptic always overdo buffs or nerfs. And i hope for you that you dont wanna call them small brainers....
First of all they nerf BOA and indirecly all class but some classes will be touched more heavy then others...for this i don't call it a rogue nerf. And even if it is, rogue still be the coolest class of the game...