thank you so much it's really a great video. can you shows in your future video about in depth review about the "framework desk setup" the stability of eGPU setup in linux & and show us a guide about how to setup eGPU in linux .
This is actually a very informative video. I'm having issues with my own setup and I watching this actually answered some of those questions. Thanks for the video.
Here's a problem you might be interested in: Framework laptop running Fedora 35 has an intermittent HDMI problem. HDMI output is connected to a Denon AVR-X4000 AV Receiver which outputs audio to the speakers, video is output/passed-thru to an HD TV via HDMI. Setting the receiver to NOT pass-thru HDMI in standby mode makes it possible to reset HDMI by "powering off" the receiver.
I did very much the same as your last one and have been loving it. I put a GTX 1070 in the Core X and got an LG 29 inch 2560x1080 monitor, and a full-motion desk Vesa mount so I can bring it closer to me. The dock I used was a Brydge Stone Pro Thunderbolt 4, and the Laptop is a Samsung Galaxybook Pro 360 13" 16gb RAM, 512gb ssd, and Core i7 11th Gen, but I also upgraded to Windows 11 Pro by buying a product key from g2a for $35 bucks. Also added a WD_Black 2tb D30 NVMe External SSD to contain my steam library so the Laptop SSD can hold the stuff I need for school (Word, documents, essential programs, etc). I can max out Ready or Not completely and get 60-80 fps because the resolution compromise on the monitor made easier by a full motion desk mount for it.
I was right! I'm glad the eGPU worked out decently for you, they can be a bit touchy with docks sometimes. Looking forward to the video on the new BenQ light. This video was nicely done!
For the years i've used eGPU's, the biggest thing that I find that affects them the most is Todd Rays, Shadows, and bad driver performance. I've always felt that AMD handles eGPU's better. Secondly, the BL3 bench mark is "odd"... I've been playing BL3 for a long time and on 1080p I can get 120 fps on my eGPU, however when I run the BL3 benchmark I can't seem to break 60fps.
I'm pretty sure it's Wayland but I'll confirm and let you know in a bit. Edit: It was Wayland, I'll be testing on Xorg too, but probably on another DE. Gnome 40 and X11 has its own set of issues.
Good comment, I noticed that the screen flashing went away when I used X11 and 2 4k monitors at 30hz refresh rate. I still switch back to Wayland when I use it as a laptop for the multi gesture support.
man, if we were to tell our past selves 10 years ago that a laptop would run all of this off a single cable we'd look at ourselves as though we are crazy. being a nerd today is far "elevated" mannn
Last time I did eGPU was a Thinkpad T430 and GTX 760 via express card and oh boy that thinkpad got a new live back then, now i'm just waiting for framework to be available here to get one and do it again
I normally use solid wood or glass door for my table top (door handle hole can double as a cable runner.) and saw horse legs or pillars I like I can find at a scrap yard or work bench legs.
oh great video ! this docking station is a beast (pricey however). I really like the modularity and upgradability of that configuration. Maybe the only bad side of those great little laptop is long term thermal : dust comming into those tiny fast running fans
Can speak to this - I have an xps13 7390 I picked up Q1 2020 - I just took it apart to swap out SSD and the fans were FILLED with dust and unsurprisingly, cat hair. At least the Framework is easy to open and clean tho.
Can you do a review/tutorial of the new 3D print files Framework released for a mainboard PC case? It would be great to see how the template they released works.
How much performance loss did you experience with the eGPU vs a native desktop setup, percentage wise? Really tempted to make the jump to a 13th gen/Ryzen Framework 13 later this year, but an eGPU would be a must for me -- thinking something like a 6800 XT and coming from a 1660 Ti MaxQ.
kinda wish the connection on the dock to the computer is on the back and not on the front to geta clean look on (or under) the desk, or if there is a right angle thunderbolt cable.
The problem I have is not enough usb-c ports. Don’t care about USB A need C. Even Ankers 13-1 don’t provide enough USB-C. I have connected to mine 3 external Hard drives, the other day my Mac-mini shut down two of the drives for drawing to much power. Could I take the Anker and plug a usb c hub into one of the USB-c ports and get around the power issue?
In the end you are going to a lot of trouble and not saving very much. For the cost of the thunderbolt docking station you could go ahead and buy a desktop computer, especially if you are going to be paying for a dedicated graphics card anyway. However this is an interesting exercise to see what is possible. Regarding processing power of the laptop- look into some of the low end gaming laptops and you'll find that they have increased CPU power as well as internal dedicated graphics, plus they have a better cooling systemn than normal laptops and will allow the CPU and GPU to run at full speed for extended periods. Good gaming laptops can be expensive but there are also good ones available for reasonable prices if you select carefully. One advantage of using a docking station is that you only have one computer. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage because you only have one computer to manage and maintain, but the disadvantage is you only have one computer. I'm toying with the idea of buying a second laptop instead of building a new desktop. I would want to connect 2 normal 1080 monitors, keyboard and mouse, and external hard drive. I would likely be buying a Ryzen powered laptop so that would restrict me to USB-C docking station. I'll look into your previous review of the USB-C docking station.
Did you happen to test any moderately-heavy CPU loads with the Framework lid closed? I recall seeing somewhere that keeping the lid closed blocks some of the laptop's exhaust. In my current setup, I have my old XPS 13 lid closed and the laptop held upright in a stand. (With limited desk space, I don't really want the laptop taking up room, and I use an ultrawide monitor so have no real use for the second screen.) My Framework should be replacing the XPS13 soon and I'm hoping I won't have to rethink my setup too much. I guess in the worst case I can try to remember to open the lid up a bit when I need to let something run for a while...
You probably saw that in my Framework eGPU video. I think I was the first to point it out, but yes, if you are pitting a load kn the system you will need to open the lid.
@@ElevatedSystems You're right, that was the one! Thanks, I appreciated that heads-up-who knows how long I would've gone without realizing what was going on...
has ember improved the construction of their charging? I stole 2 of them from a fashion week afterparty that they that sponsored a few years ago, but the charging broke after a few months. Found them super unreliable. Loved them while they lasted though.
you sound like christopher walken, "I, recommend this mouse pad, it feels, really,,,, nice" Question: Are there no EGPU enclosures that can also serve as docks? (to connect mouse & keyboard to?) Thanks!
Would be cool to see a similar video with a M1 MacBook Air or even better the pro 14. For the price point though, the air is probably a better comparison
Great video, CJ! I'm truely in love with the Framework laptop (that's what got me subbed to your channel), even though there's a lot of room for improvement, sp'ecially under Linux. And that's the questiom I'm pondering: Is it possible to use DaVinci Resolve on Linux with the eGPU? Does it run on Linux without it?
Is this the i5 motherboard? I’m assuming that the i7 ones will preform better for games when paired with an external GPU. I just purchased the performance i7 earlier in the week and am eagerly awaiting delivery
I really want to get a Framework laptop. Isn't not that i cant afford it, it's just that the battery life is concerning. I love the whole idea and its very ideal for what i need but for my work flow, i need something that'll last me longer than just 4-6 hrs. I hope they find a solution to this soon!
Remember if you're just starting there's plenty of hdmi monitors hitting good will now it's been out long enough and they're good cheap options watch out for infestation though
@@ElevatedSystems Thanks that’s good to know. Would you say the framework display itself is color accurate overall? And would you recommend most people with graphic design or video editing to have a reference monitor for color grading in general with a set up like this? Or just get a monitor that takes calibration to begin with instead?
@@ghost-user559 The Framework display is good. Its covers full Rec.709 with 400 nits of brightness. However if you are adding a display for colorist work, I'd definitely recommend a good calibrated, higher res display. You can find really good value in the Asus ProArt line.
Ya, I ended up editing the video on the setup in the video and the Acer Ultrawide monitor is not color accurate like the displays on my workstation. I should have used the Framework display for grading.
@@ElevatedSystems It's not too bad, just in comparison to your normal color grading it was unusual haha. If you're switching setups/monitors and/or want to save time, I'd use LUT's, set and forget.
thank you so much it's really a great video. can you shows in your future video about in depth review about the "framework desk setup" the stability of eGPU setup in linux & and show us a guide about how to setup eGPU in linux .
This is a very neat video! Thanks for showing off these several extended desktop setups with Framework!
Loving your work!
This is actually a very informative video. I'm having issues with my own setup and I watching this actually answered some of those questions. Thanks for the video.
So cool! I love how you took time to emphasize "look, you don't have to go all-out, here is a true budget-setup" :)
Awesome setup! Thank you for showing us how you connected it all together.
Here's a problem you might be interested in: Framework laptop running Fedora 35 has an intermittent HDMI problem. HDMI output is connected to a Denon AVR-X4000 AV Receiver which outputs audio to the speakers, video is output/passed-thru to an HD TV via HDMI. Setting the receiver to NOT pass-thru HDMI in standby mode makes it possible to reset HDMI by "powering off" the receiver.
Fantastic video man!! You are rocking awesome content. Keep it up :) cheers from Mexico
Love the attention to detail, very thorough. Nice setups!
Thanks!
Thank You!
I did very much the same as your last one and have been loving it. I put a GTX 1070 in the Core X and got an LG 29 inch 2560x1080 monitor, and a full-motion desk Vesa mount so I can bring it closer to me. The dock I used was a Brydge Stone Pro Thunderbolt 4, and the Laptop is a Samsung Galaxybook Pro 360 13" 16gb RAM, 512gb ssd, and Core i7 11th Gen, but I also upgraded to Windows 11 Pro by buying a product key from g2a for $35 bucks. Also added a WD_Black 2tb D30 NVMe External SSD to contain my steam library so the Laptop SSD can hold the stuff I need for school (Word, documents, essential programs, etc). I can max out Ready or Not completely and get 60-80 fps because the resolution compromise on the monitor made easier by a full motion desk mount for it.
Thanks for keeping us up with the framework laptop beyond its original review
I was right! I'm glad the eGPU worked out decently for you, they can be a bit touchy with docks sometimes. Looking forward to the video on the new BenQ light. This video was nicely done!
This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks
Thanks for doing the research and demoing the capabilities of the framework.
Strange, I thought I subscribed after watching a previous framework video of yours. Well it's been fixed now anyway. Great content man, keep it up!
love the new intro :)
Great video! Appreaciate all the time you put into them.
For the years i've used eGPU's, the biggest thing that I find that affects them the most is Todd Rays, Shadows, and bad driver performance. I've always felt that AMD handles eGPU's better. Secondly, the BL3 bench mark is "odd"... I've been playing BL3 for a long time and on 1080p I can get 120 fps on my eGPU, however when I run the BL3 benchmark I can't seem to break 60fps.
Ur quality content is real treat,
If u have got some free time, I would love to see a DIY tablet created from framework spare parts
7:10 X11 or Wayland?
I'm pretty sure it's Wayland but I'll confirm and let you know in a bit. Edit: It was Wayland, I'll be testing on Xorg too, but probably on another DE. Gnome 40 and X11 has its own set of issues.
Good comment, I noticed that the screen flashing went away when I used X11 and 2 4k monitors at 30hz refresh rate. I still switch back to Wayland when I use it as a laptop for the multi gesture support.
This is an absolutely beautiful video thank you.
what a good and detailed video!! Thank you
Good video my dude. Been looking for a thunderbolt dock for my MacBook.
If it's the M1 MacBook hold off. I'll be testing this on an M1 system next week.
That's wat i was looking for!! Thanks!!
Very clean setup. Looks awesome!
I was really wondering about adding a dock to the razer core, thank you for clarifying what happens.
man, if we were to tell our past selves 10 years ago that a laptop would run all of this off a single cable we'd look at ourselves as though we are crazy.
being a nerd today is far "elevated" mannn
Last time I did eGPU was a Thinkpad T430 and GTX 760 via express card and oh boy that thinkpad got a new live back then, now i'm just waiting for framework to be available here to get one and do it again
I normally use solid wood or glass door for my table top (door handle hole can double as a cable runner.) and saw horse legs or pillars I like I can find at a scrap yard or work bench legs.
More informative video ever... Thank you
Interesting to see where this setup goes! By the way do you have the wallpaper link for the laptop?
I‘d be interested, too
Came to the comments to ask this as well!
oh great video ! this docking station is a beast (pricey however). I really like the modularity and upgradability of that configuration. Maybe the only bad side of those great little laptop is long term thermal : dust comming into those tiny fast running fans
Can speak to this - I have an xps13 7390 I picked up Q1 2020 - I just took it apart to swap out SSD and the fans were FILLED with dust and unsurprisingly, cat hair. At least the Framework is easy to open and clean tho.
Besides, you should be able to replace the fans ;)
Can you do a review/tutorial of the new 3D print files Framework released for a mainboard PC case? It would be great to see how the template they released works.
Check my last two community posts for a sneak peak at my next video.
Yessir more Framework content!
How much performance loss did you experience with the eGPU vs a native desktop setup, percentage wise? Really tempted to make the jump to a 13th gen/Ryzen Framework 13 later this year, but an eGPU would be a must for me -- thinking something like a 6800 XT and coming from a 1660 Ti MaxQ.
Check this out: th-cam.com/video/6NVkToI-vBI/w-d-xo.html
kinda wish the connection on the dock to the computer is on the back and not on the front to geta clean look on (or under) the desk, or if there is a right angle thunderbolt cable.
This is some amazing content. One of the more thorough walkthroughs/ reviews I’ve watched. Keep up the great work man!
My M1 Max MBP handles video editing just fine without an eGPU and will sustain itself on a 5w phone charger for normal desktop tasks.
But can you drop in upgrade it with an M2 Max when that comes out?
Great video! By the way, what wallpaper is that?
Looking forward to your thoughts on the Apple Studio.
The problem I have is not enough usb-c ports. Don’t care about USB A need C. Even Ankers 13-1 don’t provide enough USB-C. I have connected to mine 3 external Hard drives, the other day my Mac-mini shut down two of the drives for drawing to much power. Could I take the Anker and plug a usb c hub into one of the USB-c ports and get around the power issue?
Did you make your little case that hold all your framework expansion modules?
On the framework forum, there is a thread about an IC getting destroyed by using an eGPU on the Framework. Have you had any problem like this?
I've seen the thread and no I've had no issues and I've pushed the laptop hard and long.
@@ElevatedSystems thanks for the reply. I was thinking of getting a eGPU case for my framework once gpu prices go down
@@davidpetry7853 Look at eGPUs now because while GPU prices are up GPU enclosure prices are down on the used market.
@@ElevatedSystems oh thats a good idea, didnt think of that, thanks
Awesome video!
In the end you are going to a lot of trouble and not saving very much. For the cost of the thunderbolt docking station you could go ahead and buy a desktop computer, especially if you are going to be paying for a dedicated graphics card anyway. However this is an interesting exercise to see what is possible.
Regarding processing power of the laptop- look into some of the low end gaming laptops and you'll find that they have increased CPU power as well as internal dedicated graphics, plus they have a better cooling systemn than normal laptops and will allow the CPU and GPU to run at full speed for extended periods. Good gaming laptops can be expensive but there are also good ones available for reasonable prices if you select carefully.
One advantage of using a docking station is that you only have one computer. This is both an advantage and a disadvantage because you only have one computer to manage and maintain, but the disadvantage is you only have one computer.
I'm toying with the idea of buying a second laptop instead of building a new desktop. I would want to connect 2 normal 1080 monitors, keyboard and mouse, and external hard drive. I would likely be buying a Ryzen powered laptop so that would restrict me to USB-C docking station. I'll look into your previous review of the USB-C docking station.
Does the dock have a 10g nic?
Solid video!
The fact that the framework is TB4 capable, but not certified really changes my interest in it.
Certified now
What about the refresh rate, does it support 144hz?
Are these exclusive to laptops? I have a Mac mini m2 and need more ports 😭
Thank you for a great video! Looking forward to your extended Linux testing. How’s the heat like for the dock may I ask?
I really want a Framework. Sadly, they're still not selling to Sweden.
Did you happen to test any moderately-heavy CPU loads with the Framework lid closed? I recall seeing somewhere that keeping the lid closed blocks some of the laptop's exhaust. In my current setup, I have my old XPS 13 lid closed and the laptop held upright in a stand. (With limited desk space, I don't really want the laptop taking up room, and I use an ultrawide monitor so have no real use for the second screen.) My Framework should be replacing the XPS13 soon and I'm hoping I won't have to rethink my setup too much. I guess in the worst case I can try to remember to open the lid up a bit when I need to let something run for a while...
You probably saw that in my Framework eGPU video. I think I was the first to point it out, but yes, if you are pitting a load kn the system you will need to open the lid.
@@ElevatedSystems You're right, that was the one! Thanks, I appreciated that heads-up-who knows how long I would've gone without realizing what was going on...
has ember improved the construction of their charging? I stole 2 of them from a fashion week afterparty that they that sponsored a few years ago, but the charging broke after a few months. Found them super unreliable. Loved them while they lasted though.
you sound like christopher walken, "I, recommend this mouse pad, it feels, really,,,, nice"
Question: Are there no EGPU enclosures that can also serve as docks? (to connect mouse & keyboard to?)
Thanks!
Would be cool to see a similar video with a M1 MacBook Air or even better the pro 14. For the price point though, the air is probably a better comparison
You should take a look at cal digit docks
I'm tracking their TS4 dock but it's not available until April or May.
Great video, CJ!
I'm truely in love with the Framework laptop (that's what got me subbed to your channel), even though there's a lot of room for improvement, sp'ecially under Linux.
And that's the questiom I'm pondering: Is it possible to use DaVinci Resolve on Linux with the eGPU? Does it run on Linux without it?
This is cool!
Is this the i5 motherboard? I’m assuming that the i7 ones will preform better for games when paired with an external GPU. I just purchased the performance i7 earlier in the week and am eagerly awaiting delivery
It's the I7-1165g7
@@ElevatedSystems Oh well, That's the same one I purchased. I did order it with 64g of ram though. Don't know if that'll make any difference.
Will this work with M1 Macbook setup?
No, the TB hub isn't fully compatible with the M1 Macbook, and the M1 has no support at all for eGPUs.
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I really want to get a Framework laptop. Isn't not that i cant afford it, it's just that the battery life is concerning. I love the whole idea and its very ideal for what i need but for my work flow, i need something that'll last me longer than just 4-6 hrs. I hope they find a solution to this soon!
They offer amd version now. I think it will have 10 hour battery life.
Nice!
For the price of the dock, egpu, and bar light, you could build a more capable pc which would give you much better performance.
You may have missed this 13:50
Remember if you're just starting there's plenty of hdmi monitors hitting good will now it's been out long enough and they're good cheap options watch out for infestation though
Hi man, great video! Interested in reviewing our latest TB4 Dock?😎
nice
the desk is probably more like $500-600
$199 for the base $99 for the tabletop. $298 to be exact.
Is it just me, or do the colors on this video look a little… weird? Almost too saturated?
Ya, I ended up editing the video on the setup in the video and the Acer Ultrawide monitor is not color accurate like the displays on my workstation.
@@ElevatedSystems Do they take calibration well?
@@ghost-user559 It's a VA panel so not really. I should have used the Framework display for color grading.
@@ElevatedSystems Thanks that’s good to know. Would you say the framework display itself is color accurate overall?
And would you recommend most people with graphic design or video editing to have a reference monitor for color grading in general with a set up like this? Or just get a monitor that takes calibration to begin with instead?
@@ghost-user559 The Framework display is good. Its covers full Rec.709 with 400 nits of brightness. However if you are adding a display for colorist work, I'd definitely recommend a good calibrated, higher res display. You can find really good value in the Asus ProArt line.
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Your color grading is way off, everything is orange and yellow/too vibrant.
Ya, I ended up editing the video on the setup in the video and the Acer Ultrawide monitor is not color accurate like the displays on my workstation. I should have used the Framework display for grading.
@@ElevatedSystems It's not too bad, just in comparison to your normal color grading it was unusual haha. If you're switching setups/monitors and/or want to save time, I'd use LUT's, set and forget.
why is this guy acting exactly like randomfrankp????