A "bad night" by a judge can change a fighter's life forever, it's unbearable to see the same judges make several mistakes over the years and keep their jobs.
That's just it, "a bad night" insinuates a single mess up, but time and time again the same judges make the same bad calls and are rarely (if ever) held accountable. Adelaide Bird is always my go to, she's clearly got backroom-mobster type connections with the crooked Boxing AND Mma cards she's routinely turned in.
Honestly I find it hard to agree with that. If Dana saw the fight as you winning there's a good chance you're still getting a good fight after. When refs have a bad night, however...
Perfect example is Reyes vs Jones, Reyes should be a former champion and having the legacy as the man that dethroned Jon Jones, and because of a shitty decision he’s just a contender in a 3 fight losing streak
Hes better than he used to be (not a very high bar to jump). Also i remember a single time watching a fight night fight, it goes to decision and the pretty clear winner is robbed via split decision. Belive it or not the sole judge that gave the fight to the correct fighter was actually Sal D'amato. The purest irony ive ever seen
@@madgavin7568 yea the shevchenko 4-1 is horrible. I think Valentina won to but only 3 rounds. But like Francis and gane that one random 49-46 for Francis💀 Colby vs Usman 2 Whittaker and izzy
I’m a licensed mma judge in the state of Missouri. The judging is as bad as fans yhink on one hand and on the other, it’s not as bad as they think. I’ve met some great judges and I’ve met some judges that literally didn’t know what a triangle choke was. A lot of old boxing judges were thrown into mma judging without knowing anything about grappling.
Makes sense that he would be the judge to communicate honestly and humbly when making a bad decision on the cards, because he is actually one of the consistently better judges out there.
I've had to spend a year scorekeeping shadowing judges before I've even been allowed to apply for my judge exam (next month let's go!) It helps having a boxing, muay thai, wrestling, and mma background as well as working several hours with active fighters.
No fighter should be able to choose what judges they want for their fight thats blatantly unfair. Izzy himself has been given rounds that he clearly lost so he was a bitch for that
@@misocriallo4379 what? I guess you just say stuff like that to appear like you know your stuff. I'm not a fan of joe but he is extremely knowledged in mma. I haven't seen him give wrong score cards. You really just say stuff like that for no reason so he we all know it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking ABOUT
@@pcprinciple3774 Problem being the 10 point must system can make that deceptive, especially when it comes to grappling. Based on the way fights are scored currently, a basically even round with a knockdown for fighter A in the last 30 second, probably means a 10-8 for fighter A. But if in round 2, fighter B scores a takedown at the beginning of the round, keeps working and let's say alternates between side control and full mount for the next 4:30 of the round, most judges score that 10-9.
Worth mentioning this too: Chris Tellez, the other judge who scored the fight for Diego, also hasn’t judged a fight in a major promotion since. Dana basically blacklisted them. He’d done it with officials before (Mazagatti, Winslow and later Yamasaki), but this was new ground for Dana
@@Cuseball121 The ironic thing was the sole British judge actually gave the fight to Hamill, while the two American judges gave it to Bisping. Crowd pressure definitely played a part in the judges decision, but at least the British judge remained professional.
I'll never forget Ross Pearson Vs Diego Sanchez. That was the first time I was ever truly baffled by a judges decision in this sport and still to this day I haven't seen a decision that egregious.
i remember watching that fight between ed herman vs alan belcher and short fuse lost i was pissed that he loss that fight back in the day he won the 3rd round
The trouble is often times thats just not possible. The opponent you're trying to finish can either be too tough and/or too skilled for that to happen. Imagine trying to finish a prime GSP or Jones, good luck with that.
There was also a moment where Dana White removed a judge at UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs Le following the first two fights on the card after questionable split decisions.
Holy shit, I took kickboxing and jiu-jitsu classes in college and Jeff Mullen was the instructor. He was nice and cool, didn't know he scored one of the worst decisions in ufc history
How did Cecil Peoples saying that “leg kicks don’t finish fights” not make it into this video after he robbed Shogun Rua at UFC 104?? Still the craziest thing I’ve heard in MMA
5:14 is this at Elite MMA? Looks like Eric Williams second from left. Met Eric at a wedding last year and talked to him about the sport and this card in particular. He mentioned knowing Joe and Trevin.
How statistically significant are controversial/bad decisions? I get that given what's on the line "one is too many", but it would be useful to see if things are getting better or worse over time or if there any particular patterns or trends (be it individual judges, certain commissions...etc). I feel like allot of the mma media (with some notable exceptions) can't see past whatever the most recent robbery was, which may be hindering actually addressing the issue.
I kind of agree with this but at the same time I feel like every fighter will be biased as they all know each other or train with certain guys. Even if they say their nor being biased I feel like they still would be.
I recently stepped into their shoes and judged my first mma event. It was a card with a couple amateur fights but mostly pro including a former ufc fighter. And it definitely is a lot harder when you sit there cage side. When you watch on tv you see every angle perfectly which you don’t cage side. You can’t see every shot that lands, or every takedown. I even missed a knockdown because it was right in my blind spot. You also don’t see statistics or hear other people’s opinions on the round (for example a commentator) Ultimately everything went good, and nobody had a problem with a single scorecard, but it definitely is a whole new experience from just watching on tv
Sal on Oliveira v Chandler was a perfect example on how the judging system is just too much of a mathematical breakdown to way too many variables. The best way for them to judge would be still giving the winner 10 points, but giving the loser of the round x-9 points based on how they did against the winner, so it becomes more solely judging the loser of the rounds overall performance in those categories. Use the current system just to decide the round winner. I already know it has a possible side-effect of more lopsided scores, it isn't perfect. It is a place to start atleast.
I think they should get former/active referees to judge fights because they'll have a better understanding of how a fight is going as they would have overseen many fights and results to know what will win you a round or not
Jeff Mullens used to promote fights where I used to live, Memphis, I believe he thought of himself as a godfather of memphis mma. He started working with the UFC in their dark ages. He’s always been shystie, I’m not surprised he made this list. His ego wouldn’t let his bad decision go without defending it.
How many fights have you watched and thought onr fighter won then on rewatch you chance your mind? I've done quite a few. Judges dont have the luxury of rewatching. They have to judge on the first watch right after. You are gonna make mistakes
Does enyone ever wonder why we all know something is a problem but we never do shit about it? Seriously, humans as a species are by far the most fascinating.
Judges in the UFC should be given every form of assistance for making their decisions since a poor call made against a upcoming fighter, or a struggling fighter trying to turn it around can completely destroy their careers and indirectly cause them to be forced to put their fighting careers to the side to pursue a consistent wage
I feel like adding 2 more judges would solve a lot of the robbery issues. Obviously they need better judges and need to be held accountable but I feel at least 2 more judges would make up for more slip ups
Anyone remember the fight between Cathal Pendred and Sean Spencer? Decision was SO bad even Dana and Joe were saying on LIVE TV immediately after the decision was read that Spencer got robbed. And BOY did he get robbed!
Please do a video on ufc after party's , remember Tito's post fight interview I'm pretty sure it was a Chuck loss, still asking people to come because he had Jet playing
I might be late to the party but the 10-8 vs chandler vs Oliviera is understandable. The round was even and then at the end Charles got dropped and swarmed. I get that being massive factor. It probably should have been 10-9 but if you thought chandler was winning and then saw that you'd give him a 10-8
Just because judging isn’t hard doesn’t mean it’s excusable when they fuck up. Theres over 7 billion people on this hellhole there is sure as shit some competent judges out there
Ppl don't seem to realize we don't have to score the fight the same way the judges do. We get to see it on camera, at the correct angle. They get to sit there ass in a chair and not move, even when they can't see shit. We get the commentary to know whats happening when it's happening and we get there info from the broadcast truck. We also get the replay. Let's face it folks, MMA judging is simply, way more difficult than we seem to realize
It was very decisive. With GSP's resume though, I called it when the fight ended that they were going to screw over Hendricks. Unreal, but not surprised.
MMA in general and the UFC in particular have a serious problem with judging. It's partly due to the judges themselves and partly due to the judging criteria/scoring. Something needs to change for the sport to continue to grow. The sport is headed towards decline if the best fighters are losing due to poor decisions, especially since it means losing out on half their pay.
Ufc has nothing to do with it, in pretty sure the judges are like refs and their employer is the commission. I'm sure they COULD have a say but they don't. Dana even has said after he once removed a judge that he won't mess with the officials again even if he should. Every single event the ufc has in US all of the judges are assigned and hired by the state athletic commission, now in most of the places the ufc goes they have commission. I think to places like brazil they can choose them but not in lot of places.
@@007oskari As the most influential MMA organisation, the UFC has more opportunity to fix the problems the sport is facing than any other. Other sports leagues set their own rules and hire officials, they don't leave it to the athletic commissions.
@@byswartz if the ufc even hired the judges it would be seen as fixing fights and who knows what the casinos might do. I get and hear you but it's on the commissions. I don't even think the ufc should have any say in the judges anything other than that they're qualified. I think the ufc could check with a legal team on how hard it would be for them to set some boundaries on the qualification thing, that might fix it if the ufc demands commissions to step it up. I don't know but i don't think ufc directly should appoint them. In any professional combat sports in us i think the commission sets all the officials up. They need to vet out the retard judges and make the pay better for them so in the future it won't attract lazy stupid people etc
@@byswartz in most sports Mostly commissions appoint any officials that can have an effect on the outcome IF there is gambling involved because it's dancing on very thin ice if you run a business that people bet on and the people who run the business decide who referred judges. In europe where I live it's little different but whatever. But i think state commissions should not appoint judges anymore, they should come up with something. But the commissions have their friends/favourites in both judges and refs who they call. But dana has said that there's no problem with refs mostly only with judges
I hate people saying you have to dominate for a 10-8 because it's one of the problem with mma. A lot of mma scoring issues would be fixed if 10-8 and draws were more lenient. 10-7 should be the score that is given to a dominating fighter and 10-9 to a close winning round.
@@gnihtemos I totally get the sentiment Gar-bear. But the solution is better judges and fix the scoring system, not alter the way you should fight because the judges and scoring system are terrible.
@@BleeKMedia I agree, ya shouldn't have to alter the way you fight because of poor judging. jus sayin 'Until the judging is made better, I like to hear fighters say they'll no longer leave it in the hands of the judges', as it sometimes results in a more aggressive bout. ~~~ And, only half joking, I think Rose and Carla should've Both received an L.
@@gnihtemos I think the 2 easiest solutions that wouldn't really change the current system making it easier to implement is opening scoring and give the judges the ability to score rounds 9-9 or 10-10. That would make fighters aware to help them change strategy and letting the refs give a draw on a close round would end a pretty dominate round being equal to a toss up round that could go to either fighter. There's a million other things they could do to fix it, but those are 2 changes I think they could implement tomorrow without much trouble.
The most insane shit i've heard recently was on the JRE where Joe rogan said that JUDGES DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CAMERAS OR MONITORS WHILE WATCHING FIGHTS. in 2022, ur telling me that judges can' see the same shit people at home see and have to rely JUST ON LOOKING INTO THE CAGE FROM WHERE THEY ARE??? WTFFF no wonder why the scoring is bad
A "bad night" by a judge can change a fighter's life forever, it's unbearable to see the same judges make several mistakes over the years and keep their jobs.
That's just it, "a bad night" insinuates a single mess up, but time and time again the same judges make the same bad calls and are rarely (if ever) held accountable. Adelaide Bird is always my go to, she's clearly got backroom-mobster type connections with the crooked Boxing AND Mma cards she's routinely turned in.
Honestly I find it hard to agree with that. If Dana saw the fight as you winning there's a good chance you're still getting a good fight after. When refs have a bad night, however...
@@loganmyall660 Okay but if a judge screws them on a decision its half their money out the window
Enter Ian McCall poor guy probably would’ve beaten the goat DJ but the judges screwed him
Perfect example is Reyes vs Jones, Reyes should be a former champion and having the legacy as the man that dethroned Jon Jones, and because of a shitty decision he’s just a contender in a 3 fight losing streak
I get physically upset every time I hear Bruce Buffer say, “Your judges at ring side are; X, Y, and Sal D’Amato.”
That's the best part of the judges being there Bruce calling there name after that it's all disappointing
Or Chris Lee
Hes better than he used to be (not a very high bar to jump). Also i remember a single time watching a fight night fight, it goes to decision and the pretty clear winner is robbed via split decision. Belive it or not the sole judge that gave the fight to the correct fighter was actually Sal D'amato. The purest irony ive ever seen
@@ccainum5971 haha. That’s crazy. Even a broken clock is right twice a day I suppose. Lol
I cringe anytime I hear his name
There’s always that random 49-46 for every single fight now
Just like Shevchenko's previous fight. That one came out of nowhere and was roundly criticized in the community.
@@madgavin7568 yea the shevchenko 4-1 is horrible. I think Valentina won to but only 3 rounds. But like Francis and gane that one random 49-46 for Francis💀 Colby vs Usman 2 Whittaker and izzy
*Sal D'Amato starts sweating*
Worst judge in history
Lol
I get physically upset every time I hear Bruce Buffer say, “Your judges at ring side are; X, Y, and Sal D’Amato.”
I’m a licensed mma judge in the state of Missouri. The judging is as bad as fans yhink on one hand and on the other, it’s not as bad as they think. I’ve met some great judges and I’ve met some judges that literally didn’t know what a triangle choke was. A lot of old boxing judges were thrown into mma judging without knowing anything about grappling.
Gotta give respect for Cleary coming out with an honest and introspective apology
Yeah, definitely.
Stood his ground and offered his honest viewpoint not just turning it into a pissing contest to prove his point
Makes sense that he would be the judge to communicate honestly and humbly when making a bad decision on the cards, because he is actually one of the consistently better judges out there.
I've had to spend a year scorekeeping shadowing judges before I've even been allowed to apply for my judge exam (next month let's go!)
It helps having a boxing, muay thai, wrestling, and mma background as well as working several hours with active fighters.
Best of luck
Sweet
Nice, good luck. 👍🏼
Clearly Adelaide Bird was never required the same thing EDIT- And congrats! Hope you can help turn the misjudging around in the years to come 🍻
Always remember, you don’t always have to be right but you have to be fair. Hope you kill it my dude!
Damn near anytime there is a questionable decision or weird split...somehow Sal D'amato or Chris Lee is involved. Sometimes both.
7:26 that shot of Keith Peterson for the Cruz commentary 😂😂
I wouldn't want Chris Lee judging me either, that guy probably has more "oofs" than anyone
Sal D’Amato
No fighter should be able to choose what judges they want for their fight thats blatantly unfair. Izzy himself has been given rounds that he clearly lost so he was a bitch for that
@@razor1957 he's got some doozies too for sure
idk man, just about everytime i hear Sal D'Mato is one of the card judges I cringe before the event even starts lol
I think the biggest problem is
Nobody knows what to ACTUALLY look for when scoring fights
We do, we just don't care what the rules say, it's obvious who is winning 95% of the time
Least of all Joe Rogan
err, the rules are open for everyone, i know what to look for, i can expect a judge to know that aswell.
@@misocriallo4379 what? I guess you just say stuff like that to appear like you know your stuff. I'm not a fan of joe but he is extremely knowledged in mma. I haven't seen him give wrong score cards. You really just say stuff like that for no reason so he we all know it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking ABOUT
@@pcprinciple3774 Problem being the 10 point must system can make that deceptive, especially when it comes to grappling. Based on the way fights are scored currently, a basically even round with a knockdown for fighter A in the last 30 second, probably means a 10-8 for fighter A. But if in round 2, fighter B scores a takedown at the beginning of the round, keeps working and let's say alternates between side control and full mount for the next 4:30 of the round, most judges score that 10-9.
Worth mentioning this too: Chris Tellez, the other judge who scored the fight for Diego, also hasn’t judged a fight in a major promotion since. Dana basically blacklisted them. He’d done it with officials before (Mazagatti, Winslow and later Yamasaki), but this was new ground for Dana
Lies again? Different categories for titles like Judgement Day
To this day Bisping getting the nod over Matt Hamill is still the gold standard in bad judging.
Almost impossible to win a decision in England against an Englishman. The judging over there is horrendously home-biased
@@Cuseball121 spot on! i had hendo winning in manchester and silva in london but you cant win vs the count on his turf.
Ross Pearson v Diego Sanchez is the all time worst decision I've ever seen
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@@Cuseball121 The ironic thing was the sole British judge actually gave the fight to Hamill, while the two American judges gave it to Bisping. Crowd pressure definitely played a part in the judges decision, but at least the British judge remained professional.
I'll never forget Ross Pearson Vs Diego Sanchez. That was the first time I was ever truly baffled by a judges decision in this sport and still to this day I haven't seen a decision that egregious.
I was there Live... lol in Albuquerque Diego's hometown
Actually it was in Rio Rancho... a small town right next to Albuquerque
i remember watching that fight between ed herman vs alan belcher and short fuse lost i was pissed that he loss that fight back in the day he won the 3rd round
bisping vs hamill comes to mind
@@Ty-oe4dr yep. That's a complete WTF?! decision.
4:28 is the reason why I’ve never believed ex fighters should judge fights at all. Conflict of interest, simply put.
Only thing to do is ALWAYS GO FOR THE FINISH, these judges are beyond incompetent.
The trouble is often times thats just not possible. The opponent you're trying to finish can either be too tough and/or too skilled for that to happen. Imagine trying to finish a prime GSP or Jones, good luck with that.
Paddy vs Gordon just took the #1 spot lol
Tommy videos all day
Awesome video!! Honestly we need another one! We need to keep burying the judges too!!! Only ex-fighters should be judges 🤘🏻
This channel is more addictive than the Jorge Masvidal flying knee knockout
The knockout isn’t that addictive it was good but it’s the only fame Jorge got anyways
It’s about as addicting as my relapse in meth addiction this week
Keep doing what you do
There was also a moment where Dana White removed a judge at UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs Le following the first two fights on the card after questionable split decisions.
Didn't dana once also remove the wrong judge and said after that that he won't do it again.
Holy shit, I took kickboxing and jiu-jitsu classes in college and Jeff Mullen was the instructor. He was nice and cool, didn't know he scored one of the worst decisions in ufc history
People are human, I’m just glad I’m not making my biggest mistakes in front of millions of angry people lol
3:30 the face you make when you open the fridge and see that someone ate the last slice of your birthday cake...
How did Cecil Peoples saying that “leg kicks don’t finish fights” not make it into this video after he robbed Shogun Rua at UFC 104?? Still the craziest thing I’ve heard in MMA
Think he was a kickboxing coach too 😂
This is the greatest thumbnail in history
Time is a flat circle! True Detective reference, well played!
Shout out to the good old MMA forums out there from back in the day.
7:29
This clip had no right being this hilarious🤣
wtf is he even wearing😂
Its a camera for the PFL
When Tommy Narrating you know it’s a good video
5:14 is this at Elite MMA? Looks like Eric Williams second from left. Met Eric at a wedding last year and talked to him about the sport and this card in particular. He mentioned knowing Joe and Trevin.
How statistically significant are controversial/bad decisions? I get that given what's on the line "one is too many", but it would be useful to see if things are getting better or worse over time or if there any particular patterns or trends (be it individual judges, certain commissions...etc). I feel like allot of the mma media (with some notable exceptions) can't see past whatever the most recent robbery was, which may be hindering actually addressing the issue.
Sal and Chris Lee are the most commonly brought up names over the course of many bad decisions
@@vaughnordakowski8774 Adelaide Byrd as well.
This is great - can we get a follow-up of when commentators have misrepresented the scoring criteria?
Unfortunately this happens more then needed but i guess if your live calling out a fight and you accidently say something you cant edit it out.
Ben Rosett´s Music is Awesome.. I love it
the "new mma on point studio" self promotion commercial begins at 13:20
MMA on point is literally the GOAT 🐐 of mma
Very entertaining stuff!
We now have a new #1
10 Judges where the MMA is ON POINT
I've made a killing betting on fights going to a split/majority decision when it's announced that Sal D'amato is gonna judge a fight
Just like the commentary team now...we need fighters as judges. With a real knowledge of what's actually going on AND... experience.
I kind of agree with this but at the same time I feel like every fighter will be biased as they all know each other or train with certain guys. Even if they say their nor being biased I feel like they still would be.
Ya, but do You guys have your new office and channel yet? I can’t tell
Why is the Spotify upload to this just the backing track
*”10 Times the MMA Community Bashed on Mario Yamasaki”*
*fixed it for you*
Figured Tommy would be narrating this one.
What happened to the Spotify version?
See some Texas judges on here 👀....
Not surprised...
Popped for the mention of Fuck-It Friday, genuinely watch it every week to see what crazy shit Dana makes that week lol
Suggestion: latest stoppages in championship bouts
1M letttsssss goooooo!!!
Give Tommy more videos please 🙏
I recently stepped into their shoes and judged my first mma event. It was a card with a couple amateur fights but mostly pro including a former ufc fighter. And it definitely is a lot harder when you sit there cage side. When you watch on tv you see every angle perfectly which you don’t cage side. You can’t see every shot that lands, or every takedown. I even missed a knockdown because it was right in my blind spot. You also don’t see statistics or hear other people’s opinions on the round (for example a commentator)
Ultimately everything went good, and nobody had a problem with a single scorecard, but it definitely is a whole new experience from just watching on tv
That's cool. Where do you live? Did you have to shadow a judge for a year? I think in us they have to but not sure of everywhere else.
@@007oskari that was the plan, but one judge fell out a week before the card so I judged on my own
Sal on Oliveira v Chandler was a perfect example on how the judging system is just too much of a mathematical breakdown to way too many variables. The best way for them to judge would be still giving the winner 10 points, but giving the loser of the round x-9 points based on how they did against the winner, so it becomes more solely judging the loser of the rounds overall performance in those categories. Use the current system just to decide the round winner. I already know it has a possible side-effect of more lopsided scores, it isn't perfect. It is a place to start atleast.
Anyone got any idea what judges get paid per fight or per night of fights?
I think they should get former/active referees to judge fights because they'll have a better understanding of how a fight is going as they would have overseen many fights and results to know what will win you a round or not
*Steve Mazagati steps up*
The vettori adesanya fight was so one sided it almost wasn’t even enjoyable 😂.
Jeff Mullens used to promote fights where I used to live, Memphis, I believe he thought of himself as a godfather of memphis mma. He started working with the UFC in their dark ages. He’s always been shystie, I’m not surprised he made this list. His ego wouldn’t let his bad decision go without defending it.
Boxing version. 1000 times judges set the boxing world on fire.
Why’s this not on Spotify?
How many fights have you watched and thought onr fighter won then on rewatch you chance your mind? I've done quite a few. Judges dont have the luxury of rewatching. They have to judge on the first watch right after. You are gonna make mistakes
I only watch when it’s Mr tommy toehold
Does enyone ever wonder why we all know something is a problem but we never do shit about it? Seriously, humans as a species are by far the most fascinating.
My wife and I were at Tingly arena for the Pearson/Sanchez fight and I told my wife people are about to start throwing shit because Diego lost 😂
How did the judges from GSP v Hendricks escape this
Young kids not knowing what a forum is. Reddit: Am I a joke to you?
Background music?
**Sal D'Amato has entered chat*
Joe’s face says the judges weren’t needed
Bisping was gifted hamil, Silva and Henderson 2. Got smashed in all 3 fights, got ko’d by Silva.
Kills me how people think these same judges are “ incompetent “. It’s not incompetence, it’s $
Hammill smashed Bisping. I had forgot that fight untill seeing it here but now I remember how fucking pissed that decision made me
Judges in the UFC should be given every form of assistance for making their decisions since a poor call made against a upcoming fighter, or a struggling fighter trying to turn it around can completely destroy their careers and indirectly cause them to be forced to put their fighting careers to the side to pursue a consistent wage
The Hammil/Bisping robbery was one of the worst. Home cooking for sure.
Machida v Shogun has to be on here.
It’s a list of bad judges, not bad calls by judges.
@@Jamesfrancosdog I realized that shortly afterwards but I'm too proud too delete my comment. 😂
I feel like adding 2 more judges would solve a lot of the robbery issues. Obviously they need better judges and need to be held accountable but I feel at least 2 more judges would make up for more slip ups
Anyone remember the fight between Cathal Pendred and Sean Spencer? Decision was SO bad even Dana and Joe were saying on LIVE TV immediately after the decision was read that Spencer got robbed. And BOY did he get robbed!
Gotta watch until the end for that sweet Collin McGregor
Just 10??? lol
Please do a video on ufc after party's , remember Tito's post fight interview I'm pretty sure it was a Chuck loss, still asking people to come because he had Jet playing
Reyes vs Jones better be on here.
You need to redo this video to include Aljimain Sterling vs Petr Yan....the one nearly every bettor lost.
Sterling Vs Yan 2 wasn’t a robbery lmao
What rounds do you think Yan won?
Yan lost. Cry
Which one was the biggest screwing tho?
There’s already a video for that
If you think judges in big name promotions are bad, just want till you see regional scene judging
I think they should have 3 judges, but at 3 different corners of the octagon. That way they don’t copy off each other’s homework like a 9th grader
Cruz has an impenetrable Lil Man Complex. 😄
MMA judges should also be required to have real MMA experience and regularly train.
Completely agree!! or they need to be more knowledgeable on the sport and have a better understanding of chokes and holds and grappling positioning's.
I might be late to the party but the 10-8 vs chandler vs Oliviera is understandable. The round was even and then at the end Charles got dropped and swarmed. I get that being massive factor. It probably should have been 10-9 but if you thought chandler was winning and then saw that you'd give him a 10-8
Guys, calm down. That's why there's 3 of them. The only certainty in this world is that humans are flawed. Hedge your bets accordingly.
Just because judging isn’t hard doesn’t mean it’s excusable when they fuck up. Theres over 7 billion people on this hellhole there is sure as shit some competent judges out there
Ppl don't seem to realize we don't have to score the fight the same way the judges do. We get to see it on camera, at the correct angle. They get to sit there ass in a chair and not move, even when they can't see shit. We get the commentary to know whats happening when it's happening and we get there info from the broadcast truck. We also get the replay. Let's face it folks, MMA judging is simply, way more difficult than we seem to realize
Silly Sal!
Really thought Maverick vs Barber would have been on here. I'm sure it was atleast considered
Remember gsp vs Hendricks ?
Yeah , that’s all we need to know about bad judging.
It was very decisive. With GSP's resume though, I called it when the fight ended that they were going to screw over Hendricks. Unreal, but not surprised.
Toe Hold !
The ABC president didn't even accurately respond to Cruz's comments lol
Need a scoring system like Pride FC fight in its entirety
MMA in general and the UFC in particular have a serious problem with judging. It's partly due to the judges themselves and partly due to the judging criteria/scoring. Something needs to change for the sport to continue to grow. The sport is headed towards decline if the best fighters are losing due to poor decisions, especially since it means losing out on half their pay.
Ufc has nothing to do with it, in pretty sure the judges are like refs and their employer is the commission. I'm sure they COULD have a say but they don't. Dana even has said after he once removed a judge that he won't mess with the officials again even if he should. Every single event the ufc has in US all of the judges are assigned and hired by the state athletic commission, now in most of the places the ufc goes they have commission. I think to places like brazil they can choose them but not in lot of places.
@@007oskari As the most influential MMA organisation, the UFC has more opportunity to fix the problems the sport is facing than any other. Other sports leagues set their own rules and hire officials, they don't leave it to the athletic commissions.
@@byswartz yeah but it's illegal.
@@byswartz if the ufc even hired the judges it would be seen as fixing fights and who knows what the casinos might do. I get and hear you but it's on the commissions. I don't even think the ufc should have any say in the judges anything other than that they're qualified. I think the ufc could check with a legal team on how hard it would be for them to set some boundaries on the qualification thing, that might fix it if the ufc demands commissions to step it up. I don't know but i don't think ufc directly should appoint them. In any professional combat sports in us i think the commission sets all the officials up. They need to vet out the retard judges and make the pay better for them so in the future it won't attract lazy stupid people etc
@@byswartz in most sports Mostly commissions appoint any officials that can have an effect on the outcome IF there is gambling involved because it's dancing on very thin ice if you run a business that people bet on and the people who run the business decide who referred judges. In europe where I live it's little different but whatever. But i think state commissions should not appoint judges anymore, they should come up with something. But the commissions have their friends/favourites in both judges and refs who they call. But dana has said that there's no problem with refs mostly only with judges
I hate people saying you have to dominate for a 10-8 because it's one of the problem with mma. A lot of mma scoring issues would be fixed if 10-8 and draws were more lenient. 10-7 should be the score that is given to a dominating fighter and 10-9 to a close winning round.
There has been one upside though to bad calls by judges; It had some fighters try harder to 'finish', which made for some better fights.
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@@BleeKMedia So, you've never heard the Diaz Bros and Masvidal and numerous others express pretty much this same sentiment.
@@gnihtemos I totally get the sentiment Gar-bear. But the solution is better judges and fix the scoring system, not alter the way you should fight because the judges and scoring system are terrible.
@@BleeKMedia I agree, ya shouldn't have to alter the way you fight because of poor judging. jus sayin 'Until the judging is made better, I like to hear fighters say they'll no longer leave it in the hands of the judges', as it sometimes results in a more aggressive bout. ~~~ And, only half joking, I think Rose and Carla should've Both received an L.
@@gnihtemos I think the 2 easiest solutions that wouldn't really change the current system making it easier to implement is opening scoring and give the judges the ability to score rounds 9-9 or 10-10. That would make fighters aware to help them change strategy and letting the refs give a draw on a close round would end a pretty dominate round being equal to a toss up round that could go to either fighter. There's a million other things they could do to fix it, but those are 2 changes I think they could implement tomorrow without much trouble.
The most insane shit i've heard recently was on the JRE where Joe rogan said that JUDGES DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CAMERAS OR MONITORS WHILE WATCHING FIGHTS. in 2022, ur telling me that judges can' see the same shit people at home see and have to rely JUST ON LOOKING INTO THE CAGE FROM WHERE THEY ARE??? WTFFF no wonder why the scoring is bad