I have got to agree with so many other comments the canon rep does not flinch at any of the questions asked of him. He great to see someone who is so obviously very versed in his field. Great overview.
the R5/R6 didnt get crippled for nothing, but didn't expect something like this would arrive so soon. It's all good since this is the perfect replacement for C100 users who needs a lightweight and compact cinema cameras for interviews and such
I don’t follow this argument. The R5 has none of the controls this camera has, neither on hardware side nor on software side. They are for completely different target groups. If you are disappointed in the R5, you‘ll much rather buy an A7s III or Panasonic S1H than upgrading to this C70. So there is no point in protecting something, which people wouldn’t buy in the first place. And that’s also valid the other way round. If you are into filmmaking to buy a C70 with all its controls, you would never consider the R5 even with no overheating whatsoever, because it lacks all of the benefits actually using it in the field.
Two completely different cameras. We have a Pocket 6K and a C100 Mark II and we took both of them to a shoot yesterday and because of the type of shoot, we shot everything with the C100. The Pocket would have been a pain in the butt to shoot with. So I'm definitely looking forward to the C70 to replace my C100.
This is a solid camera. Wish I had the cash to replace my C100 mkII with this. For a single shooter that does not need RAW or stills but needs small footprint, internal NDs, excellent AF and long record times in a variety of codecs/formats this is awesome. I wonder if there's a decent loupe out there that would work with this? Something like the Gratical or the BMD viewfinder would be good too.
Zacuto make one. We are coming from c100 so this seems like the best interview run and gun camera with excellent pre amps for external mics and lavs. Then use the Leica for viewfinder stuff non sync. Seems like a perfect solution. Brilliant interview and replies.
I am very excited for this camera as I am currently a solo shooting director on small budget narratives and music videos. I am awaiting more comparisons and reviews between this and the Komodo to see which matches my style more. Currently on a C100 mk II and I love it so i'm still siding with the C70
i LOVE that question about the lack of a evf, i don't know why canon could not engineer an accessory finder for this camera but the rep is right, most of today's younger filmmakers prefer large screens and arms length position and with the demand this cam will create third parties will address that. Great video, I subscribe.
I really think this was to compete kinda with red Komodo that’s does 6k and is RF mount and has more pro ports but is a bit weird with mounting assessors and bottom plates but it’s around the same price as this and C70 looks like it’s priced fairly and between the 2 it’s a little hard cuz that extra 1500 goes along way if you only got 10k for a camera build.
I really wonder how image quality compares between this cine camera and the Canon EOS R6 Thank you Johnny! I appreciate your time for making this video happen!
I understand the camera is able to shoot 8 Megapixel pictures (single frames). What is the quality of such a picture? For example, does it also benefit from the DGO sensor with extra dynamic range? Does it support AF and face recognition in that mode? Etc.
I think Canon delivered a nice spec'd camera. I like the 2 mini XLR input and 4 channels. Aron represented Sony well. I will look forward to seeing actual footage.
Congratulations Canon, great product in my opinion. I am switching to Sony and getting the A7S iii (and not looking back) after your R5 timer overheating thing but this is what I want from Blackmagick and now from Sony. You know how to build Cinema cameras.
Is there a word on Mid level model RF-Mount Video centric camera? Or did Canon confirm enabling RAW Capabilities Externally? (I Don't think they can do that Internally with choice of both SD Card slots). I Moved to RF- Lenses recently and have a Pre Order on R5. Was on Fence to decide between Canon C70- Red Komodo (I Can not move to Sony a7s3- No more selling lens and loosing money). Is still feel couple of things missing... 1. DPAF Version2 which is available in R5. 2. RAW Options- Canon Cinema RAW Light (Internally with a CF-Express Card), or Externally with Atomos Ninja V (Sony is giving a 16 bit RAW Output that gets converted to 12 bit Prores Raw). 3. ALL-I Frame rates (It seems ALL-I is capped at 30fps currently). Comparing to Sony A7S3 ($3499), i get that the additional $2000 premium for C70 ($5499 price tag) makes sense for ND Filters/Color Science/Active Cooling/Handling-Menu/Audio inputs etc... However, Where are the RAW capabilities or at-least ALL-I compression that Sony A7S3 (Or lower price tag BMPC 6K, Panasonic S1H) providing. I still consider this as an inferior product compared to competition. Its like we give you all the tools that you want but you can only record upto 4.2.2 10 Bit where All-I capped at 30P. I don't have any other choice but just to wait till Canon releases another RF- Mount Video centric camera that offers RAW capabilities. I hope Canon release a mid level model with below add-on features. 1. DPAF Latest Version. 2. One/Two SD Card slots with an Additional CF-Express card slot (For Internal Raw recording). 3. Do not limit ALL-I to 30P. 4. Internal RAW/ or External RAW with Atomos Ninja V. It seems Canon Cleverly-Intentionally chose SD Cards here than including a CF-Express to tell customers that its not possible to write RAW to SD Cards. End of a debate. I feel bad for C200 owners. At least canon shall allow a Trade-in offer for C200 owners.
Good afternoon, congratulations on the review. I currently have a SONY HXR NX80, I am a freelance cameraman and I would like to evolve. I am interested in the Canon C70 with a 100-500 lens or Sony A7Siii with a 100-400- lens, which do you think would be the best option considering that I would need it to record ballet in theaters where it would be located in the audio room in the background and only with the stage light. The precision of the autofocus is very important to me and the camera would be on a tripod with a zoom servo. Thank you very much and greetings from Lima Peru.
Absolutely perfect except for the lack of SDI output. His explanation for that doesn't make sense. If it's a single-shooter camera, why the BNC timecode input? I'd rather have had SDI video output.
Well - the issue is the price... It seems a bit rich - when you look at other cinema cameras today.. I like the form factor.. Though thinking the S1H - has more latitude and raw output.
The CineD dynamic range tests for the C300mk3 and the S1H suggest that the S1H actually has less DR than this camera's sensor does. Wonder if Canon will add external RAW recording to the C70 though
@@RayValdezPhotography This is true - that it doesn't - though to get an adapter we are not talking much. In addition for ND's etc. Don't get us wrong, we love this camera - though as you can see in this thread - many are saying its a bit on the rich side. We agree.
@@RayValdezPhotography The S1H will have AF tracking before the end of the year. That's been reported. Body alone, the S1H currently has more lens selection. Also consider that with the C70, people are spending A TON on full frame RF glass and lose their focal lengths on this camera.
@@zackketz c70 doesnt seem to only be aimed at RF lens owners. EF glass still sells and must be still in production. Like 99.999999% Canon video only shooters probably have EF glass. They are probably bankking on a lot of people turning it full frame with the adapter and having a full frame baby c300 MK III. they also might be making newer lenses also that might be
Once again, not enough value for the price. If they're going to call this a cinema camera it needs to have RAW recording. I'm sure BlackMagic Design is working on a UMP 12K "Pocket" camera version of this right now.
@@rogermetcalf4496 In all honesty, I do agree about the raw recording. However, for the price, I would say this is slightly overpriced, compared to the competition. All the competition can do just about everything that this can, minus in-built ND filters. What i think is unique about this is that it has the AF, it has the ND, it has the XLR (minis), it has false color, etc. It has a 10 bit all-intra codec. And it is great it has so many great things. but for its price, all it really offers beyond the AF is in-built ND. it doesn't even have an EVF. for the price, the new VND by Revoring, + a Sony A7S3 is almost $2000 less. Plus the sony a7s3 batteries last a while now, and don't cost nearly as much as canons bp-30/60 range. I am a huge canon fan. I have owned the c100 mk2, and C200. I loved the convenience of the cams and the images. But in 2020, this camera is overpriced compared to the competition. A7s3, Z-Cam offerings, blackmagic pocket 4k (with speedbooster) and 6k, ursa mini g2, etc etc... I don't need internal RAW. External RAW might be nice, but again, I don't need it. a strong 10bit codec is all i need/want. However, there are so many well priced excellent options that give almost the exact same stuff as the c70, at a much lower price bracket. For now, I am happy to manual focus still with my pocket 4k+speed booster, or use the acceptable AF of my fuji xt-3. If this thing was $3500, i would sell my pocket and buy one immediately. I might even be tempted at $4k. but $5.5k with such expensive batteries (sure you don't need many, but still way too expensive for them), I don't think I will ever be buying the c70. which sucks, because it looks absolutely like everything I've wanted since i saw the specs of the GH5.
High Sea Films if it was $3500 everyone would sell their pocket cinema cause it would be a steal and canon would go out of business. When a camera is cheaper and missing features doesn’t make it better it makes it cheaper, so not having AF, ND filters, IS lens those are features that cost money, why should canon spend money of research and development and not charge for them, why would canon not be expected to not charge for something it’s competitors are not offering, it’s business. You sell something you charge for it , black magic don’t have af, canon does that’s more money, Nd filters more money, every feature equals more money....
Interesting camera. A bit pricey at $5,500 for a camera that has mini xlr and no sdi output. I like what canon’s doing with autofocus and their own speedbooster.
MitchellSchultzFilms i tested the footage of the dgo sensor of the new c300, and its very close to alexa material (but with ntive 4k), if this sensor delivers anything even close to that, its a bargain
SO happy to get an updated C100, with the same great body design & functionality, which is the best feature for events; false color & 422 10bit just make it awesome. I assume C200ii with have the physical IBIS from R5, with RawLite. Looking forward to your dynamic range test, but will assume, for now, it’s similar to C300iii test. The C70 is everything we want in a small camera; bs the a7siii? (ND filters/body design vs Raw&IBIS). Thanks for this review!
NOOOO! No EVF makes it less usable outdoors, but hoping the screen is bright. Although the C100 mark1 viewfinder was basically useless. Does the ZCam viewfinder work on the C70?
WAIT-It’s HOW MUCH?! $5500?! Grrrrr, was hoping for just over $4000; now it’s only comparable to mid range cine cameras, but that DGO “ARRI-like” dynamic range tho....
Can you ask Canon, right now, before they hang up, about the tripod mount? Cuz tots wack. Does Canon offer an L-type mounting bracket that connects the bottom & side mounting points? Otherwise I don’t understand the bottom mounting design. The C100 has a replaceable bottom mount, center pin plus ¼-20 or center pin plus ⅜”. Why are the mounting options sideways?! Are you not supposed the tilt with the C70, Canon?! I’ve side-mounting a camera before, but it was for a horror movie, not for general use video production. If there is a bracket, maybe from Tilta or Manfrotto, that connect bottom and side ¼-20, then has standard bottom, in-line with lens, mounting options, then that would be a solid mounting option, but would still interfere with the great design of the C70. Confused by this.
Hmmm...interesting...its like...canons version of the a7siii? :))) Internal ND is nice tho...but except from that, why would i buy this? Not even prores or Raw or whatever? Doesnt make a lot of sense to me... but i guess its just a different style of tool?
It's not a photo camera at all. It's more for run and gun cinema, with all your xlr, nd's, handle attachments and all the inputs needed to be used on a multicamera production in-body. You'll never see a A7sIII being used in a large production, you'll more than likely see this be used as a B or C camera. As far as video cameras go (since this isn't a hybrid camera like the A7sIII), it's an entire category up in cameras.
Ruffneck101 ofc you are totally right and i understand that. But even with the better ergo and nd im underwhelmed by the Codec options. If this is meant for smaller budget films the codec is severely lacking. Something like this NEEDS Prores at least...otherwise i would just always opt for the Blackmagic instead you know? Codecwise i dont understand, how the sony can beat it... if it doesnt do prores, why not at least do 4k120 all-i? Heck, even the R5 from canon can do that!
Seems cool but they kind of lost me at super 35. Wish it was full frame. Not going to be good competition against the Sony fx6 if it ends up being $5k too.
Dear Canon with 5.5k $ us I buy 3 BM 6k or 3 Nikon z6 with Video in Full Frame and 4k Pro Res Raw + 2 Atom Ninja V Recorders. In these times of pandemic, that price does not match the reality of many event videographers or independent filmmakers. This price will make Sony, Nikon and Blackmagic happy. Very bad Canon!
I would say, first of all, Canon seems always at a higher price, you will find it while comparing C300 II to Sony FX9, which is also something I dislike. But in the meantime, this C70 can be used right out of the box, with everything you need. With BMPCC 6K I am afraid you can only get 2 as you need all the cages and battery solutions, and with the z6 it is a pity it is line skipping not downsample(which is impossible consider the definition of RAW) RAW. I guess sometimes the reliability and ease of use will play a big role here. We can also say this compared BMPCC6K to a SONY FX9 or something else. But I guess Canon have their market, especially considering their aggressive technology improvement the recent year. But agree with you, if the agreement can make the price drop;)
@Gap The most high-end cinema camera now use LPL/PL mount, and then comes the EF mount as every cinema camera can adapt to ALL the EF, RF, L, FE mount, so I would say only if you are investing in L(which don't have a cinema camera line yet) or E mount lens, you are not just screwed because of a lens system. The high end cinema camera maybe owns by companies, but I guess not all the low end ones. And I would say the reason Canon now put so much technology into the camera is they want to get more percentage of the market. Just don't know why it is so expensive...
On the contrary I will not get 3 x BM. I want a cam that work out of the box without adding any ext battery or ext monitor. Speed and ease of shooting is worth more than image quality. Most modern cam has very good image nowadays.
@Gap Good point of color matching, I am not sure if I can calculate the price in this way, 6100 dollar set for C70 + speedbooster, with the advantage of convenient build in ND(1000 dollars), build in XLR module (500 dollars), plus a better battery system, waveform build in, no need for a cage... Buy it is still expensive haha.
No EVF, no Wi-Fi, no SDI, no RAW recording, no gyro stabilisation as in a7siii, no FF look without investing in that adapter, strange ergonomics. Ergonomics should be number one priority for any camera. When this camera is used handheld everyone will look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame after few hours of shooting..They sould provide a viewfinder loupe as with XC10. That 16mm cropped mode sounds very interesting. Can you provide more details on it?
If it’s 16 stops of DR than it must be the same as the c500m2 with the same but usable DR for that is 14 stops and that the same as a7s3 and if the same sensor as the C300 m3 is should be a beast in low light cuz canon has really perfected their are super 35 sensor when it comes to the C 300 Mark III it actually beats out to see c500 Mark two in low light even though it’s not FF
Canon really stepped it up 2019-now with R6/5 1dx3 C-300/500 and this c70 🤯 not to mention you invest in that RF glass you got the red Komodo it’s looking really good for anyone wanting pro-sumer range gear.
In 2020, how does one release a "cinema" camera that doesn't do RAW and only 4K? I do love the form design, but functionality lacks for real cinema use. No opportunity for reframing for a 4K final output. No maximun control over final image. Looks like the S1H is still king (and costs $1500 cheaper).
that was a *great* post. you got a *LIKE* for that one. yea, it's a nifty camera with latest gen specs, but to charge that much while lacking in other specs is *inexcusable*. the arrogance of corporate greed has no limits it appears....
@@shem44 Other Canon cameras that cost at least a $1000 less than the C70 have RAW. ND filters are cheap. The other features you mentioned pale in comparison to reframing and image control. Sure, they're nice to have but are an excuse to charge too much for a camera that lacks basic necessities. It's like buying a car that can self park and has object avoidance alarms but can't go past 60mph and you can't work on the engine.
@@shem44 Panasonic has a dual XLR hot shoe adapter. I know it's an add on and not built in, but I used it on a GH5S and it's amazing. We'd have to buy adapters to use the mini-XLRs of the C70 as well.
So this is why they swung the Canon Cripple Hammer so strongly at the R5, even their marketing lines that this Canon employee regurgitated so well specifically highlight those hammer blows they made to differentiate and make the R5 not a viable alternative.
@@fffinish I think he means only 10 bit in log, yet worse auto white balance and focusing in log. No Canon colors in the cheaper R6. No slowmo in the more expensive R5. Crazy hard compressed codec. Launching a real video camera just a month after has to be nail in the coffin after you have just spending $4000 and defending this camera all over the internet(not easy).
samiebuka The ONLY thing anyone can complain about with the R5 is overheating. Anyone using AWB doesn’t care about image quality, 10-bit is plenty, in 12 months any PC will edit 8K h.265 like butter and you don’t need to defend your camera online, it’s not a football team (take note Blackmagic fanboys)
They are banking on it. Canon and Sony are in a punch fight. A7siii shadowed R5 deliveries. C70 wants to shadow a7Siii deliveries. Fx6 will shadow C70 deliveries. Only one can remain
Sorry, but I switched off as soon as the Canon guy said the RF mount provided “much higher image quality”. At this point I could tell he was just trotting out media lines. There are benefits to the Rf mount of course, but stating that image quality is one of them, is just plain wrong/misleading. Perhaps it allows RF lenses to achieve a higher image quality, but the mount itself does not magically improve image quality.
Funny that their serious video cameras don't have 8k (a "niche" and "a luxury for high end production" that overheats and is not useable) as he says for but they chose to cram that into the R5 as a marketing ploy. They want everything using RF lens because they make all their money selling expensive lens and they know once people have to buy all new lens, they most likely won't change camera companies.
A solo shooter camera? I like the ability to put my cameras on a small handheld gimbal like the Ronin S. This looks like a nightmare to put on a gimbal - just like the BMPCC 6K. Not quite seeing the advantage of this camera over using a C200 tbh.
I see there are a bunch of C200 owners talking about changing to the C70. For me, as a C200 owner and lover - I'll think twice before considering a switch. The processing, storage, and NLE system technologies are growing so exponentially that the issues we are facing now should be distant memories in a year or two. I still believe that to have the RAW capability is preferable, it simply opens up so many delivery possibilities. Ask the question - "if the data storage and transfer rate issues are dealt with, would I want to limit myself to two or three acceptable codecs, or rather have the capacity to transcode into almost any codec I want to - 8 bit, 10 bit, 12 bit - 420, 422, 444 etc .... all within a matter of minutes?" Because it's coming. What is happening today was unthinkable two years ago, and I believe that soon we will be forgetting about the C200 RAW storage and transfer conversations we are seeing today. At least I hope so ... so for now, I'll be putting my faith in the C200 and the rapid expansion of RAW management technology. As that happens I cannot imagine a better cine camera at the price. Any thoughts on this?
Wow talk about the excuses for the cripple hammer! SDI is generally not used in smaller production because companies try to call the reliable cheap connector type a pro feature. Also, us up-and-coming film makers love EVFs if they were of quality and not placed in a position that made shooting with a camera awkward. A touchscreen on the back is never a replacement for an EVF for any serious filmmaker that isn't just a TH-camr, it might only be preferred if it can be moved around the camera body and rigged as needed, while also bright enough to be used in direct sunlight and colour accurate enough to judge image.
@@nyambe yes, this camera really doesn't worth to buy for 5500$, normal price for it could be 2000-2300$, not more, or they could produce C70 8K camera and price could be 4200-4500$, not more.
@@Emperor-2029 Looking for the perfect camera Canon users have invested in the R, the C200, the R5 and now the C70. This is totally real, not making it up
OMFG there's a BH Ad every 43 seconds LOL Btw Canon still keeps that 16+ stops of dynamic range wording? lol come on Canon its embarrassing already. Jonnieee!!! You rock man!!
Lovely camera in many areas, I can live without the SDI but the lack of EVF might be a deal breaker for me because I would have to invest in a separate one. The combined price of body and EVF puts it in a position where there might be other choices for the money! Who am I kidding, If I was going to change system I would have done it by now, so I am sure I can make it work! 😂🙏🏾
When the price difference is very large, it cannot be called competition. For $ 5500 you can buy almost 3 blackmagic 6k. If this camera cost 3.5k then it could be a competition for blackmagic. but it looks like a competition for Canon C200
a +5K camera in 2020 without raw recording is an insult to the consumers. Is unbelievable how many BS this guy says in 18 minutes. I am ashamed to be a canon user for 20 years.
that employee was so professional
no 4k 120p in prores/dnx internal, no deal!
THΞ ΛΧΥΞΗΗΘ If you really need that get a C300 III
@Sino Ibo : could be the girlfriend's place 🤷♀️
@@art_means_artificial luckily i dont need those. doesnt atomos support that yet or no.
Indian ... 🔥👊😋
Canon dude is great. Clarity in his answers. Interview also did great job raising all deep questions
Very impressed with Canon on this but Aaron is even more impressive with his answers
no 4k 120p in prores/dnx internal, no deal!
THΞ ΛΧΥΞΗΗΘ Buy a C300 Mark III
That canon rep needs a promotion.
i realize it's kind of randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to watch new series online?
@Jaziel Jaiden Try Flixzone. You can find it by googling :)
Thanks to Aron. Many doubts cleared . Thanks to CineD. Superb
Aaron ROCKS!
I have got to agree with so many other comments the canon rep does not flinch at any of the questions asked of him. He great to see someone who is so obviously very versed in his field. Great overview.
Baby C300! I hit the price on the nail. Hopefully it ships soon.
The World: lockdowns, layoffs, close businesses.
Canon: What Pandemic.......C300iii, R5, R6, C70, 3RF lenses
Meanwhile; everything seems to be out of stock.
the R5/R6 didnt get crippled for nothing, but didn't expect something like this would arrive so soon. It's all good since this is the perfect replacement for C100 users who needs a lightweight and compact cinema cameras for interviews and such
I simply did not get all these numbers 🙄
😁😁😁😁😁😁True that..
And here you have the reason why the R5 camera "overheats". So it dosen't kill the sales of this camera.
Agreed.
I don’t follow this argument. The R5 has none of the controls this camera has, neither on hardware side nor on software side. They are for completely different target groups. If you are disappointed in the R5, you‘ll much rather buy an A7s III or Panasonic S1H than upgrading to this C70. So there is no point in protecting something, which people wouldn’t buy in the first place. And that’s also valid the other way round. If you are into filmmaking to buy a C70 with all its controls, you would never consider the R5 even with no overheating whatsoever, because it lacks all of the benefits actually using it in the field.
This Aaron guy is so on point with his answers. He could find a job as political spokes person.
Nooo.......not in politics.
Truth 😀😀😀😀
the key is that he understands the question....not many people do.
Hell no.
That's where evil people go.
I was afraid for a minute for my pocket 6k. Feel better now.
Two completely different cameras. We have a Pocket 6K and a C100 Mark II and we took both of them to a shoot yesterday and because of the type of shoot, we shot everything with the C100. The Pocket would have been a pain in the butt to shoot with. So I'm definitely looking forward to the C70 to replace my C100.
"does it over-heat..."
hahahaaaa
He answered without flinching
true professional
This is a solid camera. Wish I had the cash to replace my C100 mkII with this. For a single shooter that does not need RAW or stills but needs small footprint, internal NDs, excellent AF and long record times in a variety of codecs/formats this is awesome. I wonder if there's a decent loupe out there that would work with this? Something like the Gratical or the BMD viewfinder would be good too.
Zacuto make one. We are coming from c100 so this seems like the best interview run and gun camera with excellent pre amps for external mics and lavs. Then use the Leica for viewfinder stuff non sync. Seems like a perfect solution. Brilliant interview and replies.
Well - I guess I know what my camera lineup will look like going into 2021...
Carlos, esta cámara es para ti!
Me too Carlos! I’ll be saying farewell to my C100m2 for this C70 ... I’m torn, I really like my C100m2 ... damn you Canon lol!!
Good job asking pointed questions. We appreciate what you do! be blessed
Thank u so much Aaron randhawa, nice explaining
I am very excited for this camera as I am currently a solo shooting director on small budget narratives and music videos. I am awaiting more comparisons and reviews between this and the Komodo to see which matches my style more. Currently on a C100 mk II and I love it so i'm still siding with the C70
i LOVE that question about the lack of a evf, i don't know why canon could not engineer an accessory finder for this camera but the rep is right, most of today's younger filmmakers prefer large screens and arms length position and with the demand this cam will create third parties will address that. Great video, I subscribe.
ridiculously beautiful ... i need one, or maybe 2 ... im 100% sold ... canon the empire has strike back
This Camera and the Canon 90D has impressed me and it is going to be great to match together
This camera is only just about 3 years late and seems to be a response to growing bmpcc 4k/6k user base
I really think this was to compete kinda with red Komodo that’s does 6k and is RF mount and has more pro ports but is a bit weird with mounting assessors and bottom plates but it’s around the same price as this and C70 looks like it’s priced fairly and between the 2 it’s a little hard cuz that extra 1500 goes along way if you only got 10k for a camera build.
I really wonder how image quality compares between this cine camera and the Canon EOS R6
Thank you Johnny! I appreciate your time for making this video happen!
Cvp did a great coverage video comparing it to the c300 mark iii and the c200. Basically it’s slightly less than c300 but way better than the c200
I understand the camera is able to shoot 8 Megapixel pictures (single frames). What is the quality of such a picture? For example, does it also benefit from the DGO sensor with extra dynamic range? Does it support AF and face recognition in that mode? Etc.
Please ask Aaron to include all-i codecs in all recording formats, raw out or internally and take a screen grab from playback like eos r5
I think Canon delivered a nice spec'd camera. I like the 2 mini XLR input and 4 channels. Aron represented Sony well. I will look forward to seeing actual footage.
Congratulations Canon, great product in my opinion. I am switching to Sony and getting the A7S iii (and not looking back) after your R5 timer overheating thing but this is what I want from Blackmagick and now from Sony. You know how to build Cinema cameras.
WOW CANON ! I’m impressed 🧐
I new the day would come when I would have to bid my beloved C100m2 farewell & it appears that day has arrived, no doubt. Well done Canon!!
Is there a word on Mid level model RF-Mount Video centric camera?
Or did Canon confirm enabling RAW Capabilities Externally? (I Don't think they can do that Internally with choice of both SD Card slots).
I Moved to RF- Lenses recently and have a Pre Order on R5. Was on Fence to decide between Canon C70- Red Komodo (I Can not move to Sony a7s3- No more selling lens and loosing money).
Is still feel couple of things missing...
1. DPAF Version2 which is available in R5.
2. RAW Options- Canon Cinema RAW Light (Internally with a CF-Express Card), or Externally with Atomos Ninja V (Sony is giving a 16 bit RAW Output that gets converted to 12 bit Prores Raw).
3. ALL-I Frame rates (It seems ALL-I is capped at 30fps currently).
Comparing to Sony A7S3 ($3499), i get that the additional $2000 premium for C70 ($5499 price tag) makes sense for ND Filters/Color Science/Active Cooling/Handling-Menu/Audio inputs etc... However, Where are the RAW capabilities or at-least ALL-I compression that Sony A7S3 (Or lower price tag BMPC 6K, Panasonic S1H) providing.
I still consider this as an inferior product compared to competition. Its like we give you all the tools that you want but you can only record upto 4.2.2 10 Bit where All-I capped at 30P.
I don't have any other choice but just to wait till Canon releases another RF- Mount Video centric camera that offers RAW capabilities.
I hope Canon release a mid level model with below add-on features.
1. DPAF Latest Version.
2. One/Two SD Card slots with an Additional CF-Express card slot (For Internal Raw recording).
3. Do not limit ALL-I to 30P.
4. Internal RAW/ or External RAW with Atomos Ninja V.
It seems Canon Cleverly-Intentionally chose SD Cards here than including a CF-Express to tell customers that its not possible to write RAW to SD Cards. End of a debate.
I feel bad for C200 owners. At least canon shall allow a Trade-in offer for C200 owners.
Good afternoon, congratulations on the review. I currently have a SONY HXR NX80, I am a freelance cameraman and I would like to evolve. I am interested in the Canon C70 with a 100-500 lens or Sony A7Siii with a 100-400- lens, which do you think would be the best option considering that I would need it to record ballet in theaters where it would be located in the audio room in the background and only with the stage light. The precision of the autofocus is very important to me and the camera would be on a tripod with a zoom servo. Thank you very much and greetings from Lima Peru.
will the weebill s handle the c70 and ef 16-35?
Absolutely perfect except for the lack of SDI output. His explanation for that doesn't make sense. If it's a single-shooter camera, why the BNC timecode input? I'd rather have had SDI video output.
Yoooo..Canon is going insane with the cameras..damn.
proud canon user
Jaw.dropping camera and jaw dropping answers from the Canon guy!
Well - the issue is the price... It seems a bit rich - when you look at other cinema cameras today.. I like the form factor.. Though thinking the S1H - has more latitude and raw output.
The CineD dynamic range tests for the C300mk3 and the S1H suggest that the S1H actually has less DR than this camera's sensor does. Wonder if Canon will add external RAW recording to the C70 though
does the s1h have xlrs, nds, or tracking AF? i wonder which one can get you through a production easier bodywise alone.
@@RayValdezPhotography This is true - that it doesn't - though to get an adapter we are not talking much. In addition for ND's etc. Don't get us wrong, we love this camera - though as you can see in this thread - many are saying its a bit on the rich side. We agree.
@@RayValdezPhotography The S1H will have AF tracking before the end of the year. That's been reported. Body alone, the S1H currently has more lens selection. Also consider that with the C70, people are spending A TON on full frame RF glass and lose their focal lengths on this camera.
@@zackketz c70 doesnt seem to only be aimed at RF lens owners. EF glass still sells and must be still in production. Like 99.999999% Canon video only shooters probably have EF glass. They are probably bankking on a lot of people turning it full frame with the adapter and having a full frame baby c300 MK III. they also might be making newer lenses also that might be
Is there any hope of future raw output via HDMI??? or Internal Raw capability when SD express cards are available???
none whatsoever.
looks so great. Finally something good for normal filmmakers ;)
Pls show footage
Once again, not enough value for the price. If they're going to call this a cinema camera it needs to have RAW recording. I'm sure BlackMagic Design is working on a UMP 12K "Pocket" camera version of this right now.
It really does not need raw recording - nice to have? sure, but the codecs built in are perfectly adequate - if you want raw buy a C200 for less $
@@rogermetcalf4496 In all honesty, I do agree about the raw recording. However, for the price, I would say this is slightly overpriced, compared to the competition. All the competition can do just about everything that this can, minus in-built ND filters. What i think is unique about this is that it has the AF, it has the ND, it has the XLR (minis), it has false color, etc. It has a 10 bit all-intra codec. And it is great it has so many great things. but for its price, all it really offers beyond the AF is in-built ND. it doesn't even have an EVF. for the price, the new VND by Revoring, + a Sony A7S3 is almost $2000 less. Plus the sony a7s3 batteries last a while now, and don't cost nearly as much as canons bp-30/60 range. I am a huge canon fan. I have owned the c100 mk2, and C200. I loved the convenience of the cams and the images. But in 2020, this camera is overpriced compared to the competition. A7s3, Z-Cam offerings, blackmagic pocket 4k (with speedbooster) and 6k, ursa mini g2, etc etc...
I don't need internal RAW. External RAW might be nice, but again, I don't need it. a strong 10bit codec is all i need/want. However, there are so many well priced excellent options that give almost the exact same stuff as the c70, at a much lower price bracket. For now, I am happy to manual focus still with my pocket 4k+speed booster, or use the acceptable AF of my fuji xt-3.
If this thing was $3500, i would sell my pocket and buy one immediately. I might even be tempted at $4k. but $5.5k with such expensive batteries (sure you don't need many, but still way too expensive for them), I don't think I will ever be buying the c70. which sucks, because it looks absolutely like everything I've wanted since i saw the specs of the GH5.
honey we shot a lot on alexas without raw license and we could have chosen a bmpcc with raw recording. raw isnt everything
@@directoradamg I agree. I want to love this camera so bad but I just can't see the $2k difference in value of it over the Sony A7siii
High Sea Films if it was $3500 everyone would sell their pocket cinema cause it would be a steal and canon would go out of business. When a camera is cheaper and missing features doesn’t make it better it makes it cheaper, so not having AF, ND filters, IS lens those are features that cost money, why should canon spend money of research and development and not charge for them, why would canon not be expected to not charge for something it’s competitors are not offering, it’s business. You sell something you charge for it , black magic don’t have af, canon does that’s more money, Nd filters more money, every feature equals more money....
"It's a super35mm cinema camera". 👌
Interesting camera. A bit pricey at $5,500 for a camera that has mini xlr and no sdi output. I like what canon’s doing with autofocus and their own speedbooster.
MitchellSchultzFilms
i tested the footage of the dgo sensor of the new c300, and its very close to alexa material (but with ntive 4k), if this sensor delivers anything even close to that, its a bargain
@@xx1simon1xx its the same sensor so it should match up well.
when will cinema cameras cost 1500 bucks?.. these prices are insane
SO happy to get an updated C100, with the same great body design & functionality, which is the best feature for events; false color & 422 10bit just make it awesome. I assume C200ii with have the physical IBIS from R5, with RawLite.
Looking forward to your dynamic range test, but will assume, for now, it’s similar to C300iii test.
The C70 is everything we want in a small camera; bs the a7siii? (ND filters/body design vs Raw&IBIS).
Thanks for this review!
NOOOO! No EVF makes it less usable outdoors, but hoping the screen is bright. Although the C100 mark1 viewfinder was basically useless.
Does the ZCam viewfinder work on the C70?
WAIT-It’s HOW MUCH?! $5500?! Grrrrr, was hoping for just over $4000; now it’s only comparable to mid range cine cameras, but that DGO “ARRI-like” dynamic range tho....
Can you ask Canon, right now, before they hang up, about the tripod mount? Cuz tots wack. Does Canon offer an L-type mounting bracket that connects the bottom & side mounting points? Otherwise I don’t understand the bottom mounting design. The C100 has a replaceable bottom mount, center pin plus ¼-20 or center pin plus ⅜”. Why are the mounting options sideways?! Are you not supposed the tilt with the C70, Canon?! I’ve side-mounting a camera before, but it was for a horror movie, not for general use video production. If there is a bracket, maybe from Tilta or Manfrotto, that connect bottom and side ¼-20, then has standard bottom, in-line with lens, mounting options, then that would be a solid mounting option, but would still interfere with the great design of the C70. Confused by this.
Where’s that mini-doc at?
Thanks Jonnie!!
Hmmm...interesting...its like...canons version of the a7siii? :)))
Internal ND is nice tho...but except from that, why would i buy this? Not even prores or Raw or whatever? Doesnt make a lot of sense to me... but i guess its just a different style of tool?
This one is more hardcore for video.
It's not a photo camera at all. It's more for run and gun cinema, with all your xlr, nd's, handle attachments and all the inputs needed to be used on a multicamera production in-body. You'll never see a A7sIII being used in a large production, you'll more than likely see this be used as a B or C camera. As far as video cameras go (since this isn't a hybrid camera like the A7sIII), it's an entire category up in cameras.
Ruffneck101 ofc you are totally right and i understand that. But even with the better ergo and nd im underwhelmed by the Codec options. If this is meant for smaller budget films the codec is severely lacking. Something like this NEEDS Prores at least...otherwise i would just always opt for the Blackmagic instead you know?
Codecwise i dont understand, how the sony can beat it... if it doesnt do prores, why not at least do 4k120 all-i? Heck, even the R5 from canon can do that!
no raw? really?
Price?
Such a creative way to say "no ibis" lol
Really looking forward to this one... great job Johnnie!!
Thank you Eric!
Does the AF track sunglasses?
Hmmm. should I cancel my A7siii preorder?
Seems cool but they kind of lost me at super 35. Wish it was full frame. Not going to be good competition against the Sony fx6 if it ends up being $5k too.
Yess, thats what i think as well. If fx6 has a spec like a7s iii with benefits like internal nd and better ergonomics, rekt dude
Dear Canon with 5.5k $ us I buy 3 BM 6k or 3 Nikon z6 with Video in Full Frame and 4k Pro Res Raw + 2 Atom Ninja V Recorders. In these times of pandemic, that price does not match the reality of many event videographers or independent filmmakers. This price will make Sony, Nikon and Blackmagic happy. Very bad Canon!
I would say, first of all, Canon seems always at a higher price, you will find it while comparing C300 II to Sony FX9, which is also something I dislike.
But in the meantime, this C70 can be used right out of the box, with everything you need. With BMPCC 6K I am afraid you can only get 2 as you need all the cages and battery solutions, and with the z6 it is a pity it is line skipping not downsample(which is impossible consider the definition of RAW) RAW. I guess sometimes the reliability and ease of use will play a big role here.
We can also say this compared BMPCC6K to a SONY FX9 or something else. But I guess Canon have their market, especially considering their aggressive technology improvement the recent year.
But agree with you, if the agreement can make the price drop;)
@Gap The most high-end cinema camera now use LPL/PL mount, and then comes the EF mount as every cinema camera can adapt to ALL the EF, RF, L, FE mount, so I would say only if you are investing in L(which don't have a cinema camera line yet) or E mount lens, you are not just screwed because of a lens system. The high end cinema camera maybe owns by companies, but I guess not all the low end ones. And I would say the reason Canon now put so much technology into the camera is they want to get more percentage of the market. Just don't know why it is so expensive...
On the contrary I will not get 3 x BM. I want a cam that work out of the box without adding any ext battery or ext monitor. Speed and ease of shooting is worth more than image quality. Most modern cam has very good image nowadays.
@Gap Good point of color matching, I am not sure if I can calculate the price in this way, 6100 dollar set for C70 + speedbooster, with the advantage of convenient build in ND(1000 dollars), build in XLR module (500 dollars), plus a better battery system, waveform build in, no need for a cage... Buy it is still expensive haha.
No EVF, no Wi-Fi, no SDI, no RAW recording, no gyro stabilisation as in a7siii, no FF look without investing in that adapter, strange ergonomics. Ergonomics should be number one priority for any camera. When this camera is used handheld everyone will look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame after few hours of shooting..They sould provide a viewfinder loupe as with XC10. That 16mm cropped mode sounds very interesting. Can you provide more details on it?
gh5 owners have a good look, this is what panasonic should have released 2 years ago: an apsc, l mount (see leica TL) GH6 with indeed mini xlr..
Great informative video thanks
If it’s 16 stops of DR than it must be the same as the c500m2 with the same but usable DR for that is 14 stops and that the same as a7s3 and if the same sensor as the C300 m3 is should be a beast in low light cuz canon has really perfected their are super 35 sensor when it comes to the C 300 Mark III it actually beats out to see c500 Mark two in low light even though it’s not FF
I want it
Do you think this will be Netflix approved? It seems to tick all the boxes. I wonder.
That is very likely.
Looks very good. However, I believe the lack of EVF was a big mistake.
who films with an evf
cevrim me
@@TheRickurb Me
no evf?
@@nyambe electronic viewfinder
I'll buy just one. I'll buy 5 if they enable raw output from the HDMI
W O W
absolutely love this
good news for small filmmakers
Canon really stepped it up 2019-now with R6/5 1dx3 C-300/500 and this c70 🤯 not to mention you invest in that RF glass you got the red Komodo it’s looking really good for anyone wanting pro-sumer range gear.
In 2020, how does one release a "cinema" camera that doesn't do RAW and only 4K? I do love the form design, but functionality lacks for real cinema use. No opportunity for reframing for a 4K final output. No maximun control over final image. Looks like the S1H is still king (and costs $1500 cheaper).
that was a *great* post. you got a *LIKE* for that one. yea, it's a nifty camera with latest gen specs, but to charge that much while lacking in other specs is *inexcusable*. the arrogance of corporate greed has no limits it appears....
S1h has no 10 stops nd, dual Xlr and DGO. As explained by canon this cam is meant for entry level. Get c200/300 if want raw.
@@shem44 Other Canon cameras that cost at least a $1000 less than the C70 have RAW. ND filters are cheap. The other features you mentioned pale in comparison to reframing and image control. Sure, they're nice to have but are an excuse to charge too much for a camera that lacks basic necessities. It's like buying a car that can self park and has object avoidance alarms but can't go past 60mph and you can't work on the engine.
@@shem44 Panasonic has a dual XLR hot shoe adapter. I know it's an add on and not built in, but I used it on a GH5S and it's amazing. We'd have to buy adapters to use the mini-XLRs of the C70 as well.
Zack Ketz does the s1h offer better video quality than a c300? The s1h has 16 stops of dynamic range?
I didn't expect that
Can it do 4K 4.2.2 at 12bits externally?
Not to our knowledge, always 10 bit is our information
Porque ponen el título del video en español y están hablando en inglés??
So this is why they swung the Canon Cripple Hammer so strongly at the R5, even their marketing lines that this Canon employee regurgitated so well specifically highlight those hammer blows they made to differentiate and make the R5 not a viable alternative.
We know that, but dont tell anyone. At least their cinema has no cripple hammer effect..
By cripple do you mean the 8K raw, the IBIS, the EVF, or the full frame sensor?
@@fffinish I think he means only 10 bit in log, yet worse auto white balance and focusing in log. No Canon colors in the cheaper R6. No slowmo in the more expensive R5. Crazy hard compressed codec. Launching a real video camera just a month after has to be nail in the coffin after you have just spending $4000 and defending this camera all over the internet(not easy).
samiebuka The ONLY thing anyone can complain about with the R5 is overheating. Anyone using AWB doesn’t care about image quality, 10-bit is plenty, in 12 months any PC will edit 8K h.265 like butter and you don’t need to defend your camera online, it’s not a football team (take note Blackmagic fanboys)
Canon is ready to get the head soon for mirrorless. I am not buying s3 waiting canon to beat them up!
They are banking on it. Canon and Sony are in a punch fight. A7siii shadowed R5 deliveries. C70 wants to shadow a7Siii deliveries. Fx6 will shadow C70 deliveries. Only one can remain
CineD...ectective! Johnnie looks like he’s interrogating the Canon rep 🤣
Sorry it's the feeling you got. It was a very friendly conversation.
put in a gopro hyper boost 3.0 similar system and you guys will be the God
yeah
NO VIDEOGRAPER uses the viewfinder...why is he even asking that?
Larger and larger EXTERNAL MONITOR.
Sorry, but I switched off as soon as the Canon guy said the RF mount provided “much higher image quality”. At this point I could tell he was just trotting out media lines. There are benefits to the Rf mount of course, but stating that image quality is one of them, is just plain wrong/misleading. Perhaps it allows RF lenses to achieve a higher image quality, but the mount itself does not magically improve image quality.
Funny that their serious video cameras don't have 8k (a "niche" and "a luxury for high end production" that overheats and is not useable) as he says for but they chose to cram that into the R5 as a marketing ploy. They want everything using RF lens because they make all their money selling expensive lens and they know once people have to buy all new lens, they most likely won't change camera companies.
A solo shooter camera? I like the ability to put my cameras on a small handheld gimbal like the Ronin S. This looks like a nightmare to put on a gimbal - just like the BMPCC 6K. Not quite seeing the advantage of this camera over using a C200 tbh.
Its thick
EOS-1D C Mark II lol
I see there are a bunch of C200 owners talking about changing to the C70. For me, as a C200 owner and lover - I'll think twice before considering a switch.
The processing, storage, and NLE system technologies are growing so exponentially that the issues we are facing now should be distant memories in a year or two.
I still believe that to have the RAW capability is preferable, it simply opens up so many delivery possibilities.
Ask the question - "if the data storage and transfer rate issues are dealt with, would I want to limit myself to two or three acceptable codecs, or rather have the capacity to transcode into almost any codec I want to - 8 bit, 10 bit, 12 bit - 420, 422, 444 etc .... all within a matter of minutes?"
Because it's coming. What is happening today was unthinkable two years ago, and I believe that soon we will be forgetting about the C200 RAW storage and transfer conversations we are seeing today.
At least I hope so ... so for now, I'll be putting my faith in the C200 and the rapid expansion of RAW management technology.
As that happens I cannot imagine a better cine camera at the price.
Any thoughts on this?
Wow talk about the excuses for the cripple hammer! SDI is generally not used in smaller production because companies try to call the reliable cheap connector type a pro feature. Also, us up-and-coming film makers love EVFs if they were of quality and not placed in a position that made shooting with a camera awkward. A touchscreen on the back is never a replacement for an EVF for any serious filmmaker that isn't just a TH-camr, it might only be preferred if it can be moved around the camera body and rigged as needed, while also bright enough to be used in direct sunlight and colour accurate enough to judge image.
What about people that just got the R5?
I’ve only had mine a week 😅
:(
@@natashanicole7408 Do you do video also?
@@stephanes. It is a lot of money, specially with RF lenses
Hummm, canon tugging on the wallet!
No EVF is a deal breaker for me.
price 👀 FOR STARTERS....OK
I wish it was cheaper though, maybe 3500 euros
A bulky box. ;-)
Cinema line, the bulk is fine and needed to pack everything in.
Doesn't worth to buy this 4K-120 camera for 5500$!, even if it have 8K, as R5 already has 8K for 3900$ (although it has overheating).
For Canon is not one or the other. It's both!
@@nyambe yes, this camera really doesn't worth to buy for 5500$, normal price for it could be 2000-2300$, not more, or they could produce C70 8K camera and price could be 4200-4500$, not more.
@@Emperor-2029 Looking for the perfect camera Canon users have invested in the R, the C200, the R5 and now the C70. This is totally real, not making it up
@@nyambe only R5 is good camera from Canon, as it is 8K RAW on FULL frame sensor.
Do noder good to me.
OMFG there's a BH Ad every 43 seconds LOL Btw Canon still keeps that 16+ stops of dynamic range wording? lol come on Canon its embarrassing already. Jonnieee!!! You rock man!!
having over 10 stops of dynamic range in any camera even cinema is rare
Wow, that Aron guy made Johnnie look less professional in comparison. lol
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Lovely camera in many areas, I can live without the SDI but the lack of EVF might be a deal breaker for me because I would have to invest in a separate one. The combined price of body and EVF puts it in a position where there might be other choices for the money! Who am I kidding, If I was going to change system I would have done it by now, so I am sure I can make it work! 😂🙏🏾
😂😂
SO many ads!
So what camera in its line did canon cannibalize on this time?
there goes my wallet ;)
RED Komodo killer?
Is not a great deal...
I guess this is Canon trying to compete with the blackmagic?
When the price difference is very large, it cannot be called competition. For $ 5500 you can buy almost 3 blackmagic 6k.
If this camera cost 3.5k then it could be a competition for blackmagic. but it looks like a competition for Canon C200
this is their answer to the red komodo is my guess.
1:43 - He's clearly using Canon AF for his video feed. XD
a +5K camera in 2020 without raw recording is an insult to the consumers. Is unbelievable how many BS this guy says in 18 minutes. I am ashamed to be a canon user for 20 years.
Get over yourself, not every camera needs RAW - and this is not a consumer camera.
Cripple hammer
what the hell are you talking about?