Aftermath of the Biggest Storm to Ever Hit Mars
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Designed for a lifespan of 90 sols (93 Earth days), Zhurong was active for 347 sols (356.5 days) after its deployment on Mars's surface. The rover became inactive on 20 May 2022 due to approaching sandstorms and Martian winter, pending its self-awakening with appropriate temperature and sunlight conditions.
Zhurong never woke up from its hibernation. The rover was expected to wake in December 2022 as winter in the Martian northern hemisphere drew to a close and sunlight increased, but did not. NASA images showed the rover in the same position where it had entered its hibernation period, almost a year earlier.
Zhurong died? Good, we don’t need bugs on other planets
@@WimsicleStrangerScience is science. Don’t denounce Zhurong just because it’s Chinese.
Oppy lasted 15 years, over 5000 sols.
I will happily be impressed if China or well, anyone makes a probe that lasts even half of that time on Venus.
Still, surviving that long, first through space, then landing and operating on Mars is impressive.
It's a royal PIA to design things to survive such environments, but actually getting there and even briefly operating is a major accomplishment!
I'd suggest collaborating with JPL for the next probe, with no sides hiding any efforts and methods.
Likely gaining a probe that lasts far longer than anything humanity has yet launched.
And if one selected Venus, one might actually learn a hell of a lot more, given a supercritical near atmosphere, temperature and pressure. We have a preference for STP, that isn't present for either other planet under study.
Still, only a suggestion.
They don’t share their science with the broader community.
Truly fascinating! If you live on Mars, this brings a whole new meaning to "overcast weather."
And one other thing, the concept of sandblasting.
Sandstorms? Brand new- wait no the meaning stays the same no matter what planet your on…
Ah yes, (if you live on mars)
@@eduardocarranza4333 which would leave me breathless- literally. ;)
I have to go under ground when this happens.
Mars is not a bad kid he is just lonely
She?
@@bountyhuntermk2520 Mars is definitely a "he", Venus definitely a "she" as well as Earth. Don't misgender the planets. :D
@@bountyhuntermk2520 The red planet would be a "she" if it was named Athena or Minerva.
So, quiet kid?
@@bountyhuntermk2520He?
Yeah, not the dust storm from the Martian that destroyed the martian base, but certainly a factor in our future colonization missions. I never expected mars to have such a complex atmospheric system of winds, heat and dust, especially with how thin the air is. Thanks for another banger Astrum!
Further proof of electricity driven weather.
Axion might not be as theoretical as we thought in that case
Colonisation will never happen. Space is a killer and our biology is so tied to this poor planet to make colonisation absolutely impossible. End of.
@@efdangotulol "electricity driven weather"? Is that some reference to electric universe pseudoscience?
To be fair the lack of gravity might be the bigger issue on colonizing Mars. Living on 1/3 of heart gravity is going to cause some health issues on any long mission (which going to mars already is by definition, with about 7 months of travel just to get there)
The other major hazard with these dust storms is, well as Anakin would put it, "It's coarse, rough and it gets in everywhere." Much like lunar dust, the extremely fine-grain jagged electrostatic nature of the particles means that any materials we bring to and build there, from habitats to electronics to space suits will very quickly become saturated with the stuff, leading to abrasion and possibly short-outs of essential equipment. The fabric of space suits could also over time wear thin enough to rupture, which would not be great for astronauts. To top it all off, it's full of toxic perchlorates, and is EXTREMELY difficult to clean off of any surface. The dust on the moon already poses challenges for future missions. Just imagine that but whipping around the whole planet at storm-force speeds, saturating the entire atmosphere for months.
BRAVO LUCAS
@@chrispekel5709 "Sandstorms are very, very dangerous."
~Anakin Skywalker, age 9.
but very very light. The winds can't carry anything heavy.
Lunar regolith is not in any way comparable to Martian fines.
@@Shrouded_reaper Aside from the fact that they're both coarse, rough and irritating and get in everywhere? :P
people seem to think that earth is the only planet with super complex mechanisms in it. i mean we have people dedicating their entire life to studying weather, geology, volcanology, tectonic plates, and we see other planets as just “The desert one” or “the cold one” or “the hot one”. it’s cool to see that earth isn’t the only one with super complex mechanisms that need to be explored more
“People seem to think….” Means “I used to think….”
@@Mike_Dubayou 100% i just recently started to think differently
What do you think Jupiter's big red spot it? Its a giant storm.
You mean that television represents
i guess its a little hard to get people to study these mechanisms when they don't have any immediate affect on society
Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, In fact it's cold as hell.
And there's no one there to raise them, if you did.
@@mikestephens5200and all this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job, five days a week…
There's no stores for Dad's to go get the milk
@@mikestephens5200 And I think it's gonna be a long, long time' Til touchdown brings me 'round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home Oh, no, no, no!
Im a rocket man.... rocket man...
Thank you for the considerate sponsor message placement. I'm happy to watch all the way to the end in gratitude for the uninterrupted content.
Isn't it fascinating that planets (all large space objects really) experience such strange but consistent patterns on these massive scales? Could such a pattern or season like behavior have been a catalyst for life?
Everything that naturally happens has a purpose. We just haven't discovered the purpose of these dust storms
in a way yes ... for example rain and wind drags water onto land on earth which caused plant life to start spreading inland
@@onenation8707 - *Nothing* that naturally happens has a purpose. Purpose requires consciousness. Life just evolves to fit into these natural rhythms.
No
Well, humanity thrives on finding patterns, probably in our DNA.
If you're a scifi fan you might enjoy Kim Stanley Robinson's trilogy Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars about the terraforming of the red planet. Lots of detail and a good read.
Jupiter is my favorite. It's sheer size and power amazes me. One of my favorite things that happened to Jupiter was when Shoemsker Levvy 9 hit it in '94 and the planet basically said "COME ON MAN!! THAT'S TOO EASY!!!" while that same comet probably would've sent Earth to the backrooms.
Actually the force of that hit was still mind boggling even to our systems giant.
@@Thulgore If I recall correctly I read somewhere that it was equivalent to 5 BILLION atomic bombs. Insane to even imagine such a scenario on Earth.
Jupiter is eerily beautiful ❤
Jupiter causes fear in me. The radiation field Jupiter emits around itself would kill us. The moon Callisto is far away enough to be outside of this radiation field I believe so that it is at non-lethal levels, but the moon Io certainly is not.
Each collision blast was the size of Earth. They were planet killin rocks
I appreciate you single handedly battling my bipolar and getting me to sleep every night, I've learned so much and my sleep is finally decently stable. You're pretty cool
Should we ever get a decent amount of humans on its surface, I'm curious how simple things like walking and driving around would be a catalyst for (more of) these storms...
I think I remember that the Mars atmosphere appears like it is fast-switching between two atmospheric systems, where the temperatures and pressures are vastly different. The global Mars duststorms are unstable under the current combination of gas pressures and radiation from the Sun, but it might have been a stable state in the past.
It has only been a decade or so since NASA has admitted to re-coloring nearly every single photo from Mars. Only recently have they stopped (for the most part) with the "true" color images from Mars. This began with the very first images from the Viking lander. As the first color image was displayed on the monitors within 10 to 15 minutes the head of NASA instructed a technician to adjust all of the monitors in the room to make the images more red. This practice has gone on ever since.
So much for the red planet 😔
Sunsets on mars are actually blue instead of red, and even the sky is blue in color apart from when dust storms are blowing.
Love your narration and love of knowledge Alex.
In the book of The Martian (which I highly recommend) Watney ran into a dust storm on the way to the escape ship which he only found out since the solar panels he took were very slowly losing efficiency. Kind of scary to see even very fine dust in a storm on Mars can very easily kill us...
There was the Matt damon movie that was based on the book.
@@4skin595 The movie was great, don't get me wrong. But the book was far better
So could a snowstorm on earth.
Man, I have habe not been suggested one of your videos in months. They are the best!!!!
I guess dust storms would be an issue if we tried terraforming Mars. As the temperature went up, it would probably generate even longer lasting global dust storms.
We'd need to increase the humidity as well, which may introduce tornadoes or hurricanes.
@@celticlass8573you literally cant increase the humidity as its atmosphere is nearly a vacuum
@@jebes909090
I assume terraforming would include doing something to create or simulate a magnetic field.
@@jebes909090 Mars' atmosphere does contain moisture though obviously not much. There are water ice clouds and frost can form on the ground overnight.
@@jebes909090 Which is why you increase the atmosphere through terraforming.
Thanks for the video brother Alex
Fascinating and so well presented. The graphics as well as the in situ are demonstrative. But who on earth would really want to live on Mars!!
learned something new! favorite video in a while!!!
Thank you for displaying what footage we are seeing.
Jupiter as a child, Earth now Mars bars sounds like the coolest way to find a finishline🏁🏁🍻😎
Your videos are so captivating. Jupiter Eye Storm.
So magical
Interesting to consider the consequences of the arrival of retro rockets and discarded heat shield on the pattern of dust disturbance. In an atmosphere this rarified pretty explosive. Microscopic silica particles are extremely abrasive and dangerous to electronics, respiratory systems, and everything from solar arrays to camera lenses.
Frank Herbert's model of the alien desert world in Dune is made more scary by the native creatures but to my mind, even with a great potential for mining resources, Mars is not worth it.
Yeah like I said in another comment Mars behaves more like a death trap.
Maybe Europa is better?
Nice. I’m old enough to have watched humans first walk on the moon and I would love to still be alive to see humans walk on Mars (and get home safely)
You're around 70?!?!? I do hope you get to see that day too..
The idea is that Mars in fact will be their home, I thought...
Humans will never get to Mars. Maybe not even the moon again.
But you as an AI, you can just teleport yourself there, or not?!
@@ia8018 I remember when bait used to be good
7:19 mars rover designers could put a broom in a robotic arm to sweep the dust from solar panels
NASA should hire this guy!
too heavy and likely to damage the solar panels.
Giant Jupiter and it's moons are my Favorites after Earth of course. They can keep Mars, never knew what the attraction is. Your planetary portraits are beautiful.
Seems to me the difference between Mars, Earth, and Venus is life. The co2 and o2 provided by plants and microbes kept us from the extremes of the others. We truly are special and lucky to even exist.
No offense but, I feel like this was the dumbest comment I've read yet.
Thinking of Martian settlers facing this reminds me of a favorite short story, "A Wind Is Rising", by Robert Sheckley.
Thanks for the vids
Production quality of this video was breathtaking.
I wonder if the 2-year gap between storms occurs because storms cover larger sand grains with smaller ones. If larger sand grains are needed to get smaller ones into the air, covering up the larger grains would inhibit dust storm formation.
That actually makes sense, and explains why it isn't a yearly thing.
more likely due to needed time to accumulate CO2 ices that then thaw - and loft the particles of dust.
@@jessepollard7132 I can see that too.
Martian cow farts and SUV’s
Which is why its already been agreed that any permeant colonisation of mars would involve structures being built in underground caves to protect against this thing.
I am sure that I am not the only person to think that there could be a blower system aboard a rover to clear dust from the panels. Tanks could hold air to power the operation, and a small compressor could operate when there is extra power to store air at a high pressure. Hoses and nozzles on the arm complete the system, along with some fixed nozzles in strategic locations.
Yep, whole thing is ridiculous scaremongering. You need hugely outsized solar arrays for methalox production, if you get a big dust storm coming through chopping efficiency by 95% then you just turn off the hydrolysis and sabatier reactors. Will still be MORE then enough for human needs.
I read in another comment that the dust could scratch up the surface and damage electronics over time
I think the dust particles being so fine makes it extremely hard to clean the surfaces, since they stick to them electrostatically.
This dust storms were common on early earth, too, until plants conquered the non water parts of the planets, and starting to stop the storms in this scale.
Fascinating, thank you!
Great work as always. Mine is Jupiter. When looking thru my telescope it just amazing.
It would be interesting to see a plot graph showing the surface & atmospheric temps, the average wind speed & average AOD value over the 5.5 year period leading up to these storms. If the amount of dust in the atmosphere is dependent on wind & heat, than there should be a correlation with all these factors right?
I feel an easy work around for solar panels gathering dust would be a wiper blade type thing. Where it is on a motorized track with a small blade that sits in a recessed area while not being used. Then when needed just activate it and have it scrape the dust off the panels.
I feel like that runs the risk of slowly damaging the panels because of how fine and rough the dust is.
I'd love to hear more sounds from Mars!
Llove your videos you are entertaining and you explain things so even this rube can understand you make me feel smarter even if for a little while thanks Alex good day and good luck 😊
Could the cycle be related to surface temperature? My thought is that the dust storms are being partially caused by the surface temperature increasing but as the storms grows eventually the temperature falls because the dust clouds block sunlight. Just a thought.
All the martians underneath the surface laughing at humans trying to farm in the surface 😂
Hi Alex. I thought you stopped making videos. I am glad you are back.
Maybe it takes 3 Martian years to sufficiently heat the surface up enough to cause the storms to form. Perhaps we're overthinking this. Is it possible it's that simple? It chokes itself out when the heat from the sun doesn't reach the surface for several weeks. If it reaches -207°F because no light reaches the surface it gets bone-chilling cold, so after the storm dies and the dust finally settles it only warms a little at a time because of day and night. Three years later temps are right for winds to ramp up again. Just a thought.
sounds like a normal November in scotland
Thanks, Alex! 🌪
A1 video thanks.
So basically Arrakhis
too cold. Arrakhis had water. even though most of it was supposed to be locked up in the sandworms.
Pluto is my favourite - New Horizons has totally sold me on it & it would be great to have a Pluto globe
Alex, your narration is God-tier 😊
Alex, where is your accent from?
Who knew Texas and mars had the same weather pattern with the temperature swings
My name is on board both Curiosity and Perseverance. ❤🙂
global storm season on mars seems to line up solar min/max so I wonder if there isn't some net charge effect working on it
Truly remarkable!
Well done Astrum!
With the known dust storms on Mars... Why doesn't NASA use some sort of means to dust off the dust drom their solar panels?
Ask NASA... this is youtube
They do. Also calculated in is the service life and if its even necessary, and the chance that winds will blow some of the dust off without any intervention
Hey, good question! In essence, several types of equipment were tested in NASA labs from wipers to retractable plastic coverings. In the end, all of them were deemed to be unnecessary weight and also added complexity to Rovers that had no means of repairing mechanical and electronic issues. It was a very conservative trade-off.
I asked myself the same question. Maybe implement some type up air blower to remove the dust.
@@beckenbaylin3167IIRC, they just ended up hoping that dust devils would wander by and push some of the dust off, which I’m pretty sure worked, but only for some of the dust.
Very interesting, had no clue about the storm cycle of Mars. Peace!
What I miss from discussions about colonising Mars is: due to its thin atmosphere (which we are unlikely to restore for obvious reasons), what about a sudden destruction of structures build for our protection, like a glass dome, by falling debris from the sky? Mars doesn't have an atmosphere that protects us from most of this debris on Earth. A lot of it burns in the atmosphere or is significantly reduced (and perhaps slowed down, I don't know) before it hits Earth.
Nice illustration of a tipping point.
Another banger
The dust storms would make such a good backstory for tons of stories
I love this channel.
@12:09. Curiosity and Perserverance are the only two rovers still operating on Mars.
Zhurong went into hibernation in May of 2022.
As the clouds thicken, temperature cycling forms small amounts of water near the surface. When the surface temp increases enough the Martian life can ascend from the caverns below to drink and mate. Then descend as the temperatures lower allowing the moisture evaporate & dust to hide the holes that were made by any activity. - Having a lander / rover capable of analysing atmos. during a storm will be enlightening.
any water vapor there freezes out of the atmosphere.
I always figured the first step in colonising Mars would be robots digging a tunnel network that would protect most of the stuff.
"unable to call for help" - Well, calling for help wouldn't make much sense anyway, if it takes 7 months to get there.
I think of all the rovers on Mars that have sadly died or never got a chance to work and I immediately cheer myself up with the thought that one day we will collect them all up fix them and put them in museums where they belong!...cheers.
Could they build an onboard "umbrella" for dust? Basically, a wired balloon, built of a lightweight plastic. that can be opened from the top of the rover. Like an umbrella, it would open on a wired frame, then drop a tube of plastic, with a powered, retracting circular ring, like a ziptie but more flexible. Maybe the weight of plastic edger/trimmer line for lawns? A simple reversible motor could unwind and rewind the cable (monofilament one way, the heavier cable the other way).
We martians left the planet because it got too hard and now we got this blue planet that we have to cherish.
Those storms must be from the Martian's use of fossil fuels.
You're deluded
@@Kuhanapomaranca😂
Kudos for debunking the dust storm in "The Martian."
Remind me again, what is the ways of stickyness? Adhesion, Cohesion and the 3rd?
Very good ❤
Percy and Ginny have been a great team, but i'm afraid that means Percy may soon be without its little scout. that helicopter has to br so light weight to fly in the thin air, I imagine it doesn't take much dust to block its solar panels. on top of which it may be sensitive to mechanical interference from dust screwing up, aerodynamics, electronics, or even just adding too much weight.
You called it!
Really? They were named after Harry Potter characters? I never knew that
It strikes me that a bunch of dust in the air rubbing together could build up an electrical charge, particularly given the metallic content of most of Mars's dust. Is lightning a problem in those storms? Am I missing something?
4:00 that is probably the most insane thing i have ever heard! 8500 meter tall dustnados!
That is over 10 burj khalifas tall.
5:52 I wonder how warm the temperature gets on the inside of these dust storms. Would it be a little over 27, or more like a Jacuzzis temprtature.
Something I've never understood about Martian rover designs; why don't they fit wipers on the solar panels?
It might destroy it
Yes, a gentle brush or a shaker seems like a good idea.
There are solutions being worked on. Dust on mars and the moon is not the same as what you are used to. It is electrically charged and very sticky.
13:01 My favourite planet is the one on screen at that moment (Saturn)!
Isn't there a way to just clean the solar panels? Like a backup battery to power wipers that can clean the solar panels, or a way to retract them when the storm is brewing, using a battery to then reawaken and re-extend them once it fades
Its not the dust on the panels thats a problem its the fact the sun is blocked.
Venus and Earth are my favorite planets
7:10 I believe the author said he wrote that before they had more information on how impactful the wind would actually be on Mars. I could be wrong though.
There was once a king named Bob who did food reviews on Mars.
Earth is also my favorite planet. It's where all the people I care about live.
Colonist on Mars might be able to supplement their electrical needs by having pedal powered generators and working mainly during night inside their habitats. Especially during dust storm season. Some pedal generators might go to LED lighting others to heating and various others to batteries and electrical equipment. If done in shifts and in an entertaining way like a game it might make it worth while. A prize/trophy system might help and a high score or goal based reward system. Plus might help to keep the people exercised and combat the effects of the lower gravity.
you cannot get enough power to maintain batteries or heat.
@@jessepollard7132 key word was supplement. RTG would also be needed.
In Australia we call Dust Devil's 'Willy Willy's'
Mars: "Okay, you may resume your science now..."
-2:53...once again, I'm convinced Maes, is not a place for surface habitation.
Mars is a good example of where earth is headed
Mars has two moons but no ocean for the moons to go to work this is new information. But the thought of a super storm on Mars makes me rethink about moving to Mars. This is kind of cool and scary at the same time.
the moons are too small to generate any tides.
If we ever colonies Mars, it would be wise to have a space station (or several) ion orbit. The colonists could plan launches up to the space stations before the superstorms begin and wait out the storms on board the stations. The space stations should grow in size as the population grows so that they are always big enough to fit the entire colony on board during the superstorms.
would surface weather affect underground bases using nucular reactors
Two foundations for space stations are already in orbit. Phobos and Deimos
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to build the infrastructure to handle the storms, since it needs to still be there after you expensively evacuate everyone?
transport would cost too much weight in fuel.
Could this be related to increased atmosphere density building up over the 5½ years, and shed during the swelling? There's dry ice in the soil and on the poles, could that drive it?
Great video. Also loving the piano version of Despacito. :p
Hate the name but Uranus has always been my favorite. It’s my favorite color, spins sideways and rains diamonds.
I learned something!
What the Film is already over. Just started before 4 min.? Sh, i t hen have to watch again. 🚀🏴☠️
Sounds like some wind power would be a help during shut down periods…
Thank you for calling out the movie "The Martian". That was ridiculous. Also the end when he flew "like Ironman" with a simple hole in his suit.
I believe the author has admitted to it being artistic licence is order for the story to work. Not a lot of things that could come up for only one person to suddenly go MIA yet have everyone else run away.
Andy Weir has always admitted that the storm was unrealistic but he couldn't think of any scenario that would realistically leave a single astronaut stranded like that. As for the Iron Man thing, that was a Hollywood change to make things more exciting and doesn't happen in the book