Those challenges actually affected me at work. I'm a highschool custodian. These kids vandalized restrooms, and locker rooms constantly. It made my life an actual living hell. The amounts of actual feces on the floor was insane. The urine everywhere was beyond gross. The smashing of mirrors and hand soap dispensers kept me crazy busy. I hate TikTok with a passion due to those supposed "challenges".
Honestly you guys don't get paid nearly enough these days. I got out of highschool a handful of years ago and it's honestly disgusting the shit people do in highschools
Shame on them. As adults they are gonna try to remember what value they had as a human being on highschool and they will remember that and just feel shame and stupid for the rest of their lifes.
Maybe you can start catching these kids alone. Bring them down to the boiler room and go to work on them with a blow torch and a pair of pliers? Custodian Serial killer would be bad ass. Kids go to school and never come home. BTW, blow torch and pliers are just a suggestion. Chain saw (electric since it’s quieter) would be cool to mix it up a little. Ice pick, red hot metal rod, acid, axe, etc. Be creative. Film it. Make cutting up and torturing these kids TikTok Challenge. One rule though, only catch the ones that deserve it.
@@amphibiancircuits The mindset of “kids being kids” is too similar to not making them understand things have consequences. Most kids getting away with it is because their parents don’t do much and the school can’t do much. There’s of course the idea of not holding kids up to the same standards as an adult but society has also let them get away with far more. You even see people making excuses for them raping someone or killing someone. I can empathize that their lives went that way while throwing consequences at them.
This is how you can tell when the Chinese government itself has a hand in something. They call all criticism racism, and this is methodically weaponized.
As I teacher, I can say that trusting parents to do the right thing is a goddamn game of chance. I teach in a community mostly populated by people living below the poverty line and holy shit. I sometimes wish that people are required to get certification before being allowed to have kids. I have to look at these broken children almost everyday and I can't do squat. Some don't even know that they're on their way to destruction since their parents don't care and their friends are doing the same thing. Anybody can be a mother/father. Not everybody can be a parent.
I feel ya. I was a music teacher for a while, and constantly saw kids' potential being killed by the parents will, but that's just the human condition for the vast majority - and even if ppl like us who are aware of it were to have children - we would most likely do the same thing; its tough being a consciously aware human being dealing with our biological reality.
@@Xemptuous I think being a teacher killed my biological need to spawn children. I just have no desire for it. Looking at the direction of the world (and my salary) is going to, I'm just happy being single.
For those wondering - Asmon questioned TikTok being uniquely damaging to the human mind compared to other hobbies - that is not an open question. There are a ton of studies on television consumption and video game consumption etc. Television is pretty bad for the most part (most passive activities are), but you don't see the same kind of attention disorders develope with that that you do with short form stuff like TikTok. Video Games can actually have the complete opposite effect, so much so that there are actually video games that have obtained medical certification for TREATING attention disorders. The effects of course vary by game, but Strategy and Puzzle games tend to not just be safe to consume but actually bolster mental health and prevent cognitive decline.
The difference between those is that Tik Tok and Social media and TV is that TV is stationary so it doesn’t have your attention every hour of the day and often gets quite boring so you entertain yourself If you watched TV before having a phone, then you’d know what i mean After sometime you get bored and try to entertain yourself by drawing or doing any activity With a phone and social media you don’t, you are always entertained at all times with apps, vids and everything Phones, Parenting and Fast pace social media are the biggest problems here
Douyin is Chinese Tik Tok version full of educational clips while the US version which Tik Tok is full of what mentioned in the video. You have to understand it's all about algorithm which control what contents show up.
video games yes but not FPS shooters and MMORPG's my guy puzzle games lol. i have ADD video games make it so that my attention does not wonder when playing the game but once i put the controller down my attention is still on the video game lol. multiple studies also show video games inspire laziness and are addictive because of the dopamine rush while playing and succeeding. then after that you get lazy in real life because you already achieved so much in a video game. also video games are proven to be one of the worst addiction in the world for people with no sense of accomplishment. they will get that sense of accomplishment in the game and no lounger care about real life because he can simply achieve it in a game but the game is virtual so he is self sabotaging himself with out even realizing it because everything he his achieving is not real it is a virtual world.
@@rosevalentine3685 Proven by whom? You make statements lumped together with nothing holding them to the outcome you are talking about. I think your abit lost and confused. Everything online and off-line has an addictive pattern to someone. It could be eating jam on a spoon and then you end up with diabetes. Sugar causes a dophimine hit in your brain making you want to eat more making you end up not wanting to eat anything else in life because to that person jam is the only real thing left. We should ban Jam.
The thing I find the most interesting is comparing the Chinese version of Tiktok with the Western version. The Chinese Tiktok is heavily moderated, and the majority of videos are about improving yourself, doing cool things, cute animals and generally happy things. The western version is pure negativity, dangerous trends, mental illness, politics and degeneracy. Go look for yourself and compare the two.
In fact, the content of the Chinese version of TikTok is subject to stricter supervision. Minors under 18 years are subject to strict viewing time restrictions. Even if you are an adult, many content cannot be seen, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, overeating, pornography...
This is why we call it 5th generational warfare. The Chinese government would like nothing more than to see the complete destruction of western society. This is not exactly something they keep to themselves so it is not a large stretch to see them want to destroy western culture as well and use as much money as it takes to accomplish this.
Well thats, because the chinese goverment is actually interested in supervising their citizens, they dont even have the same internet as we do. Most ppl see it as a negative understandably, but their are positive examples for it like in this case.
I think Asmon is deeply underestimating the power of TikTok algorithm, challenges before social media didn't have much reach, it was almost an innocent thing between friends, but now social media amplifies greatly even the most innocent stuff and the algorithm pushes things so it becomes this behemoth of a trend that may be really harmful to lots of people both physically and mentally
So you would say this panic about challenges is valid? Idk I don't live in a english speaking country and I'm almost 30 but I always thought only content creators and a small amount of people do it and that just makes it seem bigger than it is
@@idontcare9041 I don't live in an English speaking country either but I do know that algorithms favors not the right things but the things that get more clicks and views be it bad information or good information, even the developers don't know exactly what the algorithm is gonna push next, is a highly volatile system, that's what makes it dangerous
@@waifuhunter9709 Challenges and this tiktok-livestreaming that was discussed in the video are different topics. Challenges are simply stupid and not much beyond that
@@jw3807 It's easy to mistake nuance for bias, or mix them up. I do think he might be biased in some regards, but one thing you have to consider is that sometimes you know your own environment best. Asmon knows a whole lot more about all these different platforms and their histories than myself, and he will probably point out some nuances here and there where someone less "in touch" might be tempted to paint them all with a broader brush, if you know what I mean. Imagine a book, a game or a film you are liking that is of a genre that has some generel or more specific negative reputation or opinions attached to it, and you get blamed or made fun of because of those things, but as someone more familiar with the genre you have a more nuanced understanding of it, and know which entries in the genre are bad and which aren't. I feel like Asmon is in kind of a similar situation here (his "genre" being internet platforms, lingo/slang, etc.)
"Where are the parents?" Unfortunately, sometimes it's the parents that are putting their children in these situations to profit off of them. Some people are truly demons, no heart.
Also parents can not watch every move a kid makes. Specially not teens. And a kid who understands IT more then their parents can do it all in secret. I mean, in school when i was a teen we had NO trouble at all bypassing parental blocker or whatever its called. And that was early 2000. Kids nowadays understands more than what i do probably.
@@johncenashi5117 Yes and no. Can't watch em all the time, but you can check in occasionally. Bring a couple of cookies to their room. This isn't a surprise inspection, this is cookies. You knock. But, you're not gonna miss it if something's going on. Take interest in what they like. Talk about that cool new X that came out. Is it better than theirs? How many Xs do they have? In the back of your mind, take note if they should be able to afford that many. Have a frank conversation about stranger danger and how that applies to the Internet. Don't sugar coat it. Don't interrogate them about what they may not want to share, but do ask them if they're being safe. Let them know you're willing to offer advice on request. Maybe share something embarassing from your own past. If you do this right, when shit goes wrong they'll come to you. Be authoritative, not authoritarian. Build their trust in you, not your control over them. Turns out, a lot of the parenting advice that's about building a healthy rapport also doubles up as non-intrusive ways to monitor your child for dangerous activity. So I guess all this stuff kinda boils down to "be a good parent 4head"...
@@ElJags well... teens kinda need phones for you know. Beeing included. Without a phone they are basicly excluded from friends groupchat and all. The society that we live in now is depended on technology. Its gonna be reallyyy hard for a teenager to get included and "fit" in with the other teens. It wasnt this at all when i were a teen. Im 30 now so realitivly not that long ago. But society changed so much in 15 years. Its insane.
@@johncenashi5117 oh yeah a teen in these days is expected since they are able to hold some responsibilities already. But i mean parents who give tablets and phones to like 8- year old kids, like damn i have even seen parents buy devices for 3-4 years old. You can only wonder what that will do to their brains at such an early age.
I agree that kids have always done dumb crap, but social media has certainly expanded the reach. What I think is really missing is that when I was growing up and anyone did something stupid your parents were informed and they sat you down to explain why you shouldn't have done that thing. Parents aren't really doing that anymore and don't take the time to monitor their kids online life.
I don't think it is so much about monitoring their kids online life. Current day parents "simply" need to teach their kids how the online world works, and with all these challenges that hurt and or destroy things, good morals and rational thinking is simply a must in order to get through the current age as a young person. Keeping your kids within sight at all times never did anything good, parents become obsessed and tired, kids feel trapped and annoyed.
@@casperryborg4869 I agree with all the things you said parents need to teach their kids as they are sorely lacking rn. I do think, as a mother, that some oversight is needed when online or at least parental 'guardrails' without being overbearing.
@zewps9502 Schools are very different now. They intentionally hide things from parents and have basically stripped their rights away. In kindergarten they are already teaching kids gender theory and CRT and transitioning kids behind their parents backs
as a teenager around this age i can confidently say that they know what they are doing and they are all, evil society is doomed when my generation starts running things
Get in line, Generation X is still waiting for their turn from the Boomers and the Millenials will never get a chance if Gen X and the Boomers get their say because apparently everything in the world that is wrong is our fault, including the Gen Z epidemics.
Yep. Im 29 now, but I do remember what the girls were doing when we were 14. It was all voluntary. They would actively seek out "relations" with actual men. They would even make fun of guys their own age for not being "mature" enough. In my eyes both the men in these chats and the girls on camera are incredibly disgиsting.
22 yr sister of a 11 yrs girl here. I heavily monitor what my sister does with her devices and this video is an incredible example as to why. As a young girl who grew up with internet myself, I have done a lot of really regretful and questionable things that I wish I haven't. I can't stress enough how important it is for parents to start paying more attention to their kid's activity on the internet. I am, however, against completely controlling the kid, taking their privacy away or not giving any access to the internet, since this will only worsen the situation. I believe just having simple parent controls that would not let the kid interact with strangers in games, or filter what apps and content the kid can access is enough. Man tiktok is sure sickening.
Crazy thing is that Asmon only found this one, there is another fiasco going on with TikTok promoting videos of girls 5yo or less with sickening comments and a suspicious number of saves on it.
Is it even right that kids that young would access to devices of that nature, when did you first get access to a device with a browser? The issue does lie primarily with parents, once you have access to a device, even seemingly harmless content will become a problem, since it disrupts your mental development.
@@Traycer69 this literally is not only extremist, impractical, exaggeration and maybe even indirectly harmful for a lot of people tho. Like literally, EVERY kid is connected to this new tech. Every kid uses it, phones are more prevalent than active sewer system ffs. You literally can't stop this, no matter how hard you try or how bad studies say they are. Also positive impact of internet access is way harder to measure, everything we can get is the most common opinion being "well i think it didn't affect me, but sure it's bad" like Asmon's, mine, and probably for the majority of people...
@@Traycer69 Personally, I Had a computer since I was as young as 5 years old although my time on the computer was limited to set hours per day my parent's wouldn't actively monitor what I was doing. Since I played MMOs back then pretty much everyone I met was significantly older than me, but I also got lucky with meeting nice people. I don't think time on the computer alone disrupts mental development in any significant way, in fact it can build interest for very nice careers from my experience. I do think social media such as tik tok is awful for kids. Kids shouldn't even be on it to begin with since tik tok in particular is restricted to anyone younger than 16, and most other social media platforms require you to be 13 or older. I could be a bit biased here since it's because of gaming I work as a programmer and I've had a lot of good memories in general but I'll let you take it how you want.
@@Traycer69 go ahead and enlighten everyone on how a parent stops a child from accessing social media? You do realize that you can buy a phone that accesses these sites for next to nothing.
Gotta disagree with u asmongold.. I think people might have been dumb before individually, but social media made it worse by bringing the dumb together and influencing the not dumb to be dumb. Tik tok is worse because its an immediate gratification and information being absorb, reaching even more people than in any social media apart from TH-cam. Because tiktok is instant in gratification, everyone wants to outdo each other, and u see even more dangerous trends and deamining self worth than in the past.
Yeah it's like 10-20 years ago if you did some dumb shit as a kid, you might get a couple laughs, maybe some people will encourage you to do dumb shit again, maybe someone will record it on their brick phone and show it around the school, but you're gonna quickly realise you're making an ass of yourself, these days they do some dumb shit, put it on Tik Tok, start getting a load of views and likes and it becomes positive reinforcement, that stupid shit you just did made number go up, number go up = good, I need to do more stupid shit to make number go up more and then others see number go up and go "me ape, me need number go up too" now they're jumping on the dumbass bandwagon and this shit genuinely is rotting the youths brains more than any TV show ever could. Not only that but so many kids/teens are so obsessed these days with the idea of becoming a content creator or online influencer that they'll do near anything to chase that pipe dream.
I agree wholeheartedly. At minimum, social media has only done the equivalent of taking all the village idiots and putting them all in the same spot to fester and become one giant loudmouthed group of village idiots. Only difference now between them and the original village idiots is these ones know how to be loud and confident in what they say, even if what they ask for would've resulted in the Darwin Awards giving trophies for "How to meet a quicker game over."
Yeah.. I feel like Asmon is right that things have been bad for a long time, and we tend to exaggerate the bad state of things today compared to 20 years ago, but he is probably underestimating the fact that social media and algorithm-driven platforms like TikTok especially are probably exacerbating the issue a whole lot more. And another thing I can't wrap my mind around is what impact these media would have on you if you started using them as early as elementary school. What does the typical school and social environment look like? It's all these things coming together in a toxic mix of detrimental influences. Imagine an example as easy as this: Everybody else is focusing on their smartphones, so it's difficult to make contact, and you are isolating yourself from people around anyway you because the interesting content is online, all the while you are not developed fully as a human (especially due to being underage), and you can easily imagine how that can lead to a downward spiral.
I turned 18 in February, and I've pretty much given up on all the bullshit that has happened because of TikTok. I'll try to ignore it, yet I still see my 17/18 year old classmates scrolling through it nonstop during class. It's horrible and I'm glad I never touched it back when I was 14 years old.
@@Brekner if there’s not much to do, I always say bring something to pass the time rather than seeing what’s being uploaded on social media. It’s ok to do it but some people are just always doing it and they don’t stop.
Same when I was younger I didn't buy into that dumb shit and I barley put photos on my Facebook back then lol. And girls were after me all the time I'm just not that kind of person but then again I've had trust issues sense I was a kid. Im sure there's a healthy way of being online I personally don't care or don't know lol. Like my sister doesn't have any of it, if the government wanted to track her they would have no clue to go by as far as her online fingerprint. 😆
well done bro, keep improving, at the end of the day is just about who you want to become as an adult :), one who makes this worlds worse or one who makes this world still existing for good
Don't worry, when you'll finish high school many people around you will mature and some of them will realize that doing those things is a waste of time. Until then, have fun with your time and be proud that you don't like mindlessly scrolling through social media
@@Brekner i think its important during those times to stay away from the internet and just relax, talk to friends, practice patients and enjoy whats around you
Ive said it a million times and I'll say it a million more: children do not belong online and parents need yo stop buying their kids iphones and then leaving them alone so they dont have to actually parent. If you cant monitor your damn kids, you shouldnt be a parent. Point blank period.
That sounds nice but isnt practical. Kids have to learn how to live with and deal with the internet lest they be social pariahs and learn to despise their overly controlling parents.
"I remember vine challenges" Sure thats all fine, we all agree that humanity never changes in essence. But the difference between Vine challenges and TikTok challenges is the size of the participating audience. Tiktok is huge, vine was not
You didn't live during vine did you? Because vine was MASSIVELY popular, i went to 3 different high schools and literally everyone at all of them had Vine, i knew adults that knew the phrase "do it for the vine" you can't say that vine wasn't popular
One way to prove you didn't live during vines age, say vine wasn't big Vine was literally one of if not the biggest media site of its type at the time, it had tens of millions of viewers, the term "do it for the vine" was so popular I knew fucking 50 year olds that knew it, every school I went to i heard that stupid ass phrase repeated and repeated to get kids to do stuff
Vine was huge, even if only for a year or two but the algorithm wasn't nearly as pervasive and the posters weren't promoting these "challenges" at nearly the same level
@@nicholasbrown668It was popular for the time. Vine had 200,000,000 at its absolute peak. TikTok has over 1,000,000,000. 5 times more than Vine. And it’s nowhere near its end.
He keeps comparing tik tok to other stuff that was also bad like that somehow makes it... not bad? Tik Tok's reach is far bigger he keeps missing that fundamental point. Yea kids are stupid but that stupidity can be dangerous too when it's at scale.
Exactly this annoyed me too much to continue watching this. Back then without phones you didn’t catch EVERY trend that’s might hurt you. Now it all gets viral
@@Magerquark Same same. I can't bear listening to all these excuses that i keep hearing from all sides over and over again. "It's just videos! Yeah but other people did stupid stuff too when they were young!" I know an 11yo girl who is worried about wrinkles and "keeping her youthful appearance" because of tiktok and too many youtube beauty tutorials. Social Media is fucking dangerous when not supervised.
"People always killed each other. Remember in the 70's and 80's, with all those serial killer? I don't know man... that's not new. Só what if some 16y are killing each other as a challenge? They are kids.".
I work in child protection and online grooming is a live and very challenging issue. I’ve delivered training to parents and social workers who don’t understand how to use net nannies let alone understand complex algorithms or the subtleties of grooming processes. While grooming and exploitation are not new, the self-reinforcing AI assisted access and opportunity is. It feels like a losing battle but it helps when people like yourselves take a stand and shine a light on the problem. Thank you!
Would you say these content control programs actually work and protect the children? I always thought they wouldn't really work because getting past it is only one google search away. I mean ideally the child agrees to it but realistically many don't and I think it's very important to have this discussion with them to get on the same page. I don't know, would be interesting hearing your perspective.
@@idontcare9041 one of the biggest problems is that children are usually more IT literate than their parents and can bypass these controls (if they’re turned in at all). Most parents are oblivious to the risks and therefore don’t monitor their kids online closely enough or know what to look for. I don’t think the solution is just IT or moderation based. It’s about raising awareness and supporting children to make good decisions, have healthy relationships, and staying safe. Its not a simple problem, so it doesn’t have a simple solution and goes beyond the virtual space.
@@sarahrothera3354 Yeah that makes sense. I totally agree with you on everything. It's a incredibly complicated problem and one that probably needs many different solutions together.
I hope you're doing a good job while overworked, because from what I know, a lot of child protection services end up dropping the ball on one way or another. It's an important thing to do that many don't do very well, I hope you're able to do right. Online grooming is indeed a very challenging issue that infests almost every corner of the internet. I would say a lot more than I have, but it's hard to find the words to describe such a dense topic. I do agree with you though that parenting and raising awareness are probably the most important factors, because just knowing how to moderate things isn't going to make them any less vulnerable to people like that. Sadly, this is something I speak from experience.
Another thing to consider with all of this: the demographic for these apps has shifted to a younger audience since the days of Vine. Yes, there was stupid stuff on Vine [challenges, etc.], but you cannot tell me there were anywhere near as many elementary/middle school-aged kids with smart phones back then as there are today. The influence over young people a “stupid challenge” or stupid person can have is so much higher today.
Just for anyone who doesn't know, the legal age in Europe for online adult content is 18. 16 is the legal age to engage in physical sexual acts but you can't do adult online content unless you are 18 so Asmond has a point. The fact TikTok sets the age to 16 is completely fucked in itself.
@@miljaardegod Specifically (with a quick count, so not super precise) 12 x 14 years 9x 15 years 14x 16 Years 1x 17 years and 1x 18 years. Saying "Europe" has an age of consent is as wrong as it can be, because it varies a lot. Some countries also have age differences along with the age of consent, or other stipulations... it cannot be much more different.
I got off of TikTok during a vacation, and when I came back, I kept it going. Been almost 6 months now and I saw my mental health improve a ton. Death scrolling is real
@@rexila it's true. After quiting Facebook several years back I've been on a far better mood overall. That wasn't even the reason I quit Facebook either
Yeah, doom-scrolling is really bad for your mental health too. Just see your friends, take walks in nature, do sports, read good books and keep screen-time to a minimum. You‘ll find that you‘ll be a really happy person.
@@Hot_SpicyGrill did you even watch the video? He is constantly saying how this was going on way before tik tok. You dont need a timestamp for something he says multiple times in the video.
I always respect the fact that no matter the discussion, Asmonn always contributes by actually giving his opinions and puts genuine thought into his response
If it's not tiktok then they'll use YT fb or insta. Tiktok isn't the issue. Thats like saying guns are the issue. The uk took away guns and now KNIFE CRIME is a thing. What they gonna do take away kitchen tools? Don't blame tiktok for an issue that's everywhere, including the p3dos choosing to be teachers so they can be surrounded by kids. That employee at the Legoland lol
I work in cybersecurity so I can't have tiktok on any of my devices due to the spyware that is attached to the app. After watching this I think I'm cool with not being able to have tiktok. This shit is nuts.
I'm glad I didn't succumb to peer pressure back when TikTok was first getting around. It's scary thinking about how crappy my mental health could've been if I had chased what was popular at the time
The whole point is that TikTok is super addictive full of short memory span clips that keep you scrolling, wasting valuable time and doing nothing with your life. The entire social media era is a poison that needs to be cleansed or the Western society is going off a cliff.
prohibition doesnt work, it never has and never will. simply just educate people about the risks of the kind of content they consume ad let them make better decisions, parents also need to do way better and supervise their kids
If tiktok is banned something else will replace it and likely have even less regulations until it's forced to change or it in turn is banned, the best course of action is to use tiktok as a way to combat it without driving it further underground where it can flourish without regulation
My wife is a speech therapist and works with kids in the public school system… can confirm the information shared about how the response to COVID-19 stunted some kids’ language AND conflict management skills. It’s hurt a lot of kids and, unfortunately, we may not know how much damage was done until said kids reach the workforce.
Thank you for correctly identifying that it was the response to C19 that has caused problems, far too often the virus itself gets blamed for everything and the human element is ignored.
I was in speech therapy in elementary school but when I transferred to middle I guess my file didn’t transfer and I was asked where I left off I didn’t know I was a dumb kid so the new therapist kicked me out. I think I’m good now but it bugs me I never completed my training
The one dumb challenge I remember was the Skullcrusher Challenge, which was 2 people, one on each side of another person, basically dunking that person's head into the ground, for no fucking reason
The dumbest thing I saw relating to a tik tok challenge was "get into a fight with your partner and pretend like you going to hit them" where one couple sat there and went no this is bad, not right, dumb challenge...but we're going to pretend to do it anyway just as a skit...and proceeded to do it 🤦♂️
My main issue is that this isn't tiktok being in over their head, it's clearly them allowing this to happen when they have the means to stop it. I can guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of those issues don't exist on the Chinese version of the app
Well that's more because of capitalism than anything else lol. In China they only allow kids like an hour a day and it's only educational stuff. Obviously such a system wouldn't make any money in the US.
This also goes back to how low salaries have become. Parents forced to work 2 or 3 jobs with low salaries simply don't have the time and energy to keep their kids in check and earn enough to survive.
Another issue with the kids and young teens in general is the parents just not caring what their kid access online. Stop giving children wholesale internet access, limit it in the first place and monitor the sites that they do use.
@@jacara1981 yeah that's a part of the problem too. Parents don't put effort into understanding how to use it but let their kids have smartphones at age 10. So it's no wonder their kids learn how to use it faster than them.
The more you restrict kids the sneakier they get and the more they just end up hiding from their parents in the long haul. Definitely not the prime solution
Not like it was all sunshine and rainbows. Lots of dangerous, destructive, and life ruining things went on while "playing outside". Eating disorders were a huge thing in the 90's and we have been neglectful of mental health forever in the US. Always feel the need to point out that Walt Disney in the 60's wanted to build Epcot into a Utopia city because he thought the youth were ruining the country.
@@xxkildarxx ya but we never ate Tide pods, we just ate candies that melted the inside of our mouths, and now warheads are shit because people are too soft nowadays
@@ianswanson332 Are you kidding? There was always a kid who was "dared" to put awful often unsafe stuff into their mouth. We choked each into unconsciousness. Car surfing or driving with your headlights off. Kids started smoking as young as 11 or 12 while "playing outside". More kids started joining gangs in the 90s as well. Not to mention a good number of the Tide pod videos are faked.
I've said it before and i'll say it again: delete all social media from the internet, starting with tiktok. It does far more harm than good. The fact that this is such a problem is insane to me.
I do think there is a _snowball effect_ from social media. Back in the day, yes _weird_ stuff did happen, but it wasn't as exposed - and - now that it is, can influence other people, on a larger scale.
Tiktok challenges can sometimes be dangerous. In the last few months in the UK we have seen 2 children who died doing a suffocate yourself challenge because they were told it was harmless fun by adults on Tiktok.
I'm not on tiktok so I'm not sure exactly what the challenge is. Is it to use a belt kinda thing? If so, that's not new and not TT exclusive. Shit was going around the internet 20 years ago when I was a kid.
im glad i was a kid in the era where you would be lucky to have your parents buy you a nokia 3310 by the time you were 14-16 years old and you spent your childhood out playing in the forest
I'm from 1990 and I owned a 3310 for my entire high school career. Even with the raise of smartphones i still consider it as my favorite device cause it was so small pocketable reliable, build as a tank and indestructive.
Human beings are innately social creatures. Even the most introverted people still need some human interaction. Without it, your mental and eventually physical health will deteriorate and youll lose all will to live. This phenomenon has been reproduced in rats and other mammals. Its the mechanism of addiction: isolation. No matter how depraved the world around us may seem, dont let that get in the way of what you and every other human being needs on a deep, biological level.
When i Was 16 my mom wouldn’t get internet for the house because she “didn’t believe in it”. As a 16 year old i had to call the cable company to set our home up and i was responsible for the bill. 15 years later we have kids selling feet pics on tiktok
I facepalmed and rolled my eyes soo many damn times watching this. I guess I had a shitty childhood not egging a person's house or burning down my garage in some "seeifitburns" challenge.
Well, based on the video they seem to do 'something', but it doesn't seem to be enough. They seem to go after the problems when they pop-up, but don't do anything to stop the problems from cropping up in the first place. I also heard once that they basically tried quarantining people that were getting negative intention instead of actually dealing with the negative remarks (I think it was a woman being made fun of for being overweight?), which if so that does fit in with the Chinese method of dealing with problems.
I think Asmon is missing out on one big key factor when it comes to the argument of "disrespect" at the start of the video when he compares it to kids in highschool. Kids in highschool did it to be edgy and "cool". Kids on Social Media and vice versa Tiktok dont do it to be edgy and "cool". They do it because it gets attention. They dont care about wether or not it makes people angry, they just want people to see what they are doing because they are attention starved in this day and age.
yes. Attention seeking plagued the under classmen my last year of highschool. Such disgusting levels that a ton of girls started saying they were bisexual but they only dated guys. Some people may debate this but we are not idiots they very clearly were not interested in girls whatsoever. Just get attention and praise from saying something that has no meaning
@Rando not on the same level plus there are two types of edgy and "cool"/cringe And more often than not kids who do this type of stuff irl do it to simply be edgy cause lol funny and offensive. Not to get attention. These tiktok kids on the other hand do this stuff almost always for clicks. Not to have a laugh. Not to just piss people off. But to get online fame.
1:05 I honestly feel like gen z could legitimately be the first generation where the holocaust is so far away that they're as detached from it as any other horrific thing in a history book
My two cents: there will always be *something* that is fucked up and a dangerous influence for kids. I think a good solution would be to help teach critical thinking skills and educate over the many negative elements of the internet. Using the Internet comes with responsibility and it needs to be presented that way to the younger generation. You can use it as a tool for all sorts of things, but be prepared to pay the price if you don’t use it wisely.
Surprised to see Asmongold defending Tiktok here. It's a LOT different to other social media platforms, and is definitely lowering people's attention span.
thank you for the content. Ive been working nights and have shitty internet at work so Ive been downloading anything I can to help get me through my work week, keep up the posting, much love to you and your team
One of the most disturbing challenges I remember is that one where ppl randomly ran up and slapped strangers as hard as they could and killed some people and bum fights were huge when I was younger
I'm a heavy tiktok user and I've never seen any of these dumb challenges personally, so it has some containment to where you only see it if you seek it out. But I also remember a time when news stations have falsely reported on "harmful tiktok challenges" to scare up sentiment
Yes its on the internet , yes every other platform faces/facing this problem , but tiktok by design amplifies it and makes it worse. Every other platform even if its heavily algorithm dominated you have manual control in some ways , on tiktok the algorithm feeds you everything , and since it is short form it appeals more to emotions/instincts than anything else , and it is by design .
11:30 I'd say Video Games can dramatically increase attention span, especially with in-depth story driven RPGs or professional competitive. You have to focus pretty much constantly in those genres otherwise you can miss story or die in competitive. I'd also say that whilst all social media has downsides, TikTok is especially detrimental to attention span due to its short form content that is endlessly swiped away.
What asmon said at 14:00 made me feel so much better I thought I was alone in this I feel like the pandemic held my speech and vocabulary back several years I noticed I was stumbling over my words all the time and it stated to worry me
I think the point the video is trying to make is that social media like tiktok exacerbates things to a higher degree than usual. Like yeah, we've always had pranks and kids doing stupid things but the reach and virality of social media like tiktok exposes it to more people and thus, more end up doing them. Which ends up being a bigger problem.
Kids are expected to do stupid decisions obviously, but there is a line to be crossed on how stupid especially when most of these insane harmful choices are the trends of an app people saw just to get internet points
Vandalism at schools is a thing before Tik Tok because I remember in high school one of the basketball or football players ripped the soap dispenser off the wall in the bathroom
i agree with everything but i cant believe that you completely dont consider the fact that a whole generation is addicted to tiktok and getting braindamaged by it. This toxic problem is so huge and tiktok should be banned for the mental health of everyone. Maybe you dont get addicted but almost everyone else and especially the young people.
I really appreciate you using your platform to discuss serious issues like this. It's really important to teach our children the dangers of the internet, what to be careful about, and how to deal with the personalities that you will run into online. I am constantly needing to tell my child that certain behaviors are not normal and that IN MOST CASES people do not act that way in real life as they do online and that it's NOT acceptable behavior. I am constantly asking who my son is playing with and how old they are, I monitor his messaging and his usage. I have played games WITH him that were completely created for children but adults played it too. They said complete pedophile remarks to him and when he got called out he said that my son was the fucked up one for using a voice changer....that was his excuse for calling him "daddy" (they called my son this) and saying a innuendo for sucking his dick (said to my son). My son was most definitely not using a voice changer as I explained he was my son, he is 8 ,and we are playing together. Sure we can say "well, he shouldn't be able to play online games that requires communication", but is that really fixing the problem? We need to protect them and create safe spaces and it shouldn't just be something we do in the real world but also actively do online. I do agree the government needs to be involved because I believe people need to be held responsible for their actions that would be considered ILLEGAL if done not online. It's the digital age, get with the program!
As someone who is 44, I knew a kid who died of the Blackout challenge... when I was like 15. I believe it was called Final Destination then. So yeah, challenges have been around forever. Unfortunately, TikTok gets so much worse than that.
This brings me to back when China enforced several rules for streaming platforms about soliciting donations from minors and cracked down super hard on streaming content as well as forcing the providers to further "sanitize" their algorithms... It made me realize that they probably collected all this data (probably because they are far more "effective" at it) and decided to do this way ahead of us in a far more forceful way. This was very poorly received by game streamers and content creators in the West but we forget that things this video outlined also existed and was probably the main focus of China's crackdown. I don't know what to think about the crackdown, I honestly don't know how to fight these despicable human filth without collateral. I don't know which side to pick on this...
If you're not mentally fit and responsible for your actions to sign a contract until 18, why give death machines to 16-year-olds? We live in a world where supposedly grown adults shirk any shred of responsibility, and often succeed.
my gf everyday would come to me with a “new problem” she would have cause of tiktok. she would see a health tiktok that says “if you feel like this you have ‘severe depression’” and then she would think she has it cause she would identify with one or two points in the video. tiktok is bad for gullible people
Behavioral Psychologist here: TikTok only shows you the videos you are interested in intermittently. You have to scroll a bit before the algorithm gives you a video it knows you like. Look up intermittent reinforcement. It's a trick used to get you engaged in a behavior for as long as possible.
I'm a guy and when I was 15 I got people to donate money for the minecraft server I was running. My dad was worried about it even when my name, face, etc. had nothing to do with any of the money coming in. He's like 70 now as well and even he could understand that some things are often just too good to be true, or at least too good to not think carefully about.
Agreed. Also, TikTok is curating an unprecedented culture of collectivism in young people. It's very sheep like. Most of the TikTok stuff isn't even about whether shit is funny or not, it's just about whether the hive agrees that this is the THING
That’s why context matters so much. With proper context of the situation it can easily differentiate between stupidity and ignorance and or just outright hate.
I love you bro. I bet your mom is so proud of you. It all started w yall standing in line for the game and playing as a family and now you have evolved to advocating for children’s safety beyond WoW. Inspiring. Show the people that just bc your family plays a “nerd” game like wow that you guys find life and purpose in it. I dont like that everyone tried to tell people how to live their lives. If playing a game makes you happy and contentment then please guys do what you love. Just remember to take care of your body and mind :D i dont but the people around me that care for me do take great care of me lol ion got time to eat a salad when i got WoW to play!
Worth noting: Tiktok in china instead pushes educational tiktoks, whereas in the west the chinese tiktok pushes silly dances and porn-adjecant tiktoks. Do with this information what you want.
@@orangerightgold7512 This is dumb. Tiktok in China has daily time limit of 40 minutes per day for youth and pushes educational content specifically. This is their own statements. You're just showing you don't know anything about what you're talking about.
bruh the Internet was supposed to be a gift (and a small portion of it still is, like being able to Google any fact you need to check and read the Wikipedia page on that is awesome, but that's about it) but turned out to be a curse in so many ways...
Multi generational homes. Mom and dad cant do it alone, so grandma and grandpa help. Alternatively, mom and dad have more kids, so they can police each other.
Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see some real numbers on just how bad this is. I'd like to see a group tasked with investigating this covertly and cover something like X cases per 1000 users. I'd like to see if they can actually find out these girls actual ages vs what's being claimed on the platform and I'd like to hear just how it is that the parents aren't apparently there.
I like when the point UEG was making was about developmental issues in young people as a result of overexposure to wildly differing physical and verbal tics from videos they watch on TikTok and Asmon goes on a five minute tangent about people faking mental illness and the repurcussions they face when they're found out and then spends the next ten minutes completely ignoring UEGs point on the mental health risks because TikTok isn't the sole factor influencing it and completely missing it when it's cited as evidence in a study right in front of him.
There's a girl called Ashlee who was famous on tiktok and Instagram for doing this stuff and even worse stuff, that she was selling through cashapp and paypal, her dad was recently arrested because the money was going to his account, he was basically pimping his daughter online
@@MasterIceyy It's honestly dreadful how some people can be. The short of it is; You had the child. Look after your child. Be a parent. Not their friend, their buddy or whatever. Their parent/Guardian. Yeah, sure, we all need a break from things frok time to time but for Christ's sake, giving your toddler an iPad with uninhibited access to the internet for hours because it 'keeps them quiet' is absolutely a no-go. Not monitoring your child's activities online is a no-go. Not even installing a restrictive programme to limit their qccess is a no-go. I reallly feel for these kids. They're already so messed up. It's sick.
![[Full Episode] The Restaurant War Thailand ศึกพ่อค้าซ่าแม่ค้าแซ่บ Episode 3 | 6 ต.ค. 67](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTfIMFVjt_8/mqdefault.jpg)
somewhere there’s trees that are tirelessly producing oxygen for these tiktokers and I think they owe them an apology
I love this comment with every bit of my heart xD
Dope comment ha
There are*
The funny thing about this is he prob stole this joke from a tiktok of someone playing minecraft while a tts bot reads out reddit posts
@@TheMastermind729 Username doesn't check out.
Those challenges actually affected me at work.
I'm a highschool custodian. These kids vandalized restrooms, and locker rooms constantly. It made my life an actual living hell. The amounts of actual feces on the floor was insane. The urine everywhere was beyond gross. The smashing of mirrors and hand soap dispensers kept me crazy busy.
I hate TikTok with a passion due to those supposed "challenges".
Honestly you guys don't get paid nearly enough these days. I got out of highschool a handful of years ago and it's honestly disgusting the shit people do in highschools
Shame on them. As adults they are gonna try to remember what value they had as a human being on highschool and they will remember that and just feel shame and stupid for the rest of their lifes.
Maybe you can start catching these kids alone. Bring them down to the boiler room and go to work on them with a blow torch and a pair of pliers? Custodian Serial killer would be bad ass. Kids go to school and never come home. BTW, blow torch and pliers are just a suggestion. Chain saw (electric since it’s quieter) would be cool to mix it up a little. Ice pick, red hot metal rod, acid, axe, etc. Be creative. Film it. Make cutting up and torturing these kids TikTok Challenge. One rule though, only catch the ones that deserve it.
@@amphibiancircuits The mindset of “kids being kids” is too similar to not making them understand things have consequences. Most kids getting away with it is because their parents don’t do much and the school can’t do much.
There’s of course the idea of not holding kids up to the same standards as an adult but society has also let them get away with far more. You even see people making excuses for them raping someone or killing someone. I can empathize that their lives went that way while throwing consequences at them.
To be fair The first two things have been happening for the last 50 years
I do love when any criticism to TikTok is immediately "invalidated" by saying that "You only hate it bc it's Chinese"
Also yes
This is how you can tell when the Chinese government itself has a hand in something. They call all criticism racism, and this is methodically weaponized.
A country whose government believes they are currently at war with the US and where all "private" companies are owned by the government! Seems fine.
@@theguyonyoutube4826 should we hate every american platform because of what the US government does?
You only love the invalidation because it's related to China 😌
As I teacher, I can say that trusting parents to do the right thing is a goddamn game of chance. I teach in a community mostly populated by people living below the poverty line and holy shit. I sometimes wish that people are required to get certification before being allowed to have kids. I have to look at these broken children almost everyday and I can't do squat. Some don't even know that they're on their way to destruction since their parents don't care and their friends are doing the same thing.
Anybody can be a mother/father. Not everybody can be a parent.
I feel ya. I was a music teacher for a while, and constantly saw kids' potential being killed by the parents will, but that's just the human condition for the vast majority - and even if ppl like us who are aware of it were to have children - we would most likely do the same thing; its tough being a consciously aware human being dealing with our biological reality.
@@Xemptuous I think being a teacher killed my biological need to spawn children. I just have no desire for it. Looking at the direction of the world (and my salary) is going to, I'm just happy being single.
Harder to adopt a pet.
Harder to adopt a pet.
Stay strong my man
For those wondering - Asmon questioned TikTok being uniquely damaging to the human mind compared to other hobbies - that is not an open question. There are a ton of studies on television consumption and video game consumption etc. Television is pretty bad for the most part (most passive activities are), but you don't see the same kind of attention disorders develope with that that you do with short form stuff like TikTok. Video Games can actually have the complete opposite effect, so much so that there are actually video games that have obtained medical certification for TREATING attention disorders. The effects of course vary by game, but Strategy and Puzzle games tend to not just be safe to consume but actually bolster mental health and prevent cognitive decline.
The difference between those is that Tik Tok and Social media and TV is that TV is stationary so it doesn’t have your attention every hour of the day and often gets quite boring so you entertain yourself
If you watched TV before having a phone, then you’d know what i mean
After sometime you get bored and try to entertain yourself by drawing or doing any activity
With a phone and social media you don’t, you are always entertained at all times with apps, vids and everything
Phones, Parenting and Fast pace social media are the biggest problems here
Douyin is Chinese Tik Tok version full of educational clips while the US version which Tik Tok is full of what mentioned in the video.
You have to understand it's all about algorithm which control what contents show up.
video games yes but not FPS shooters and MMORPG's my guy puzzle games lol. i have ADD video games make it so that my attention does not wonder when playing the game but once i put the controller down my attention is still on the video game lol. multiple studies also show video games inspire laziness and are addictive because of the dopamine rush while playing and succeeding. then after that you get lazy in real life because you already achieved so much in a video game. also video games are proven to be one of the worst addiction in the world for people with no sense of accomplishment. they will get that sense of accomplishment in the game and no lounger care about real life because he can simply achieve it in a game but the game is virtual so he is self sabotaging himself with out even realizing it because everything he his achieving is not real it is a virtual world.
@@rosevalentine3685 Proven by whom? You make statements lumped together with nothing holding them to the outcome you are talking about. I think your abit lost and confused. Everything online and off-line has an addictive pattern to someone. It could be eating jam on a spoon and then you end up with diabetes. Sugar causes a dophimine hit in your brain making you want to eat more making you end up not wanting to eat anything else in life because to that person jam is the only real thing left. We should ban Jam.
@@d4s0n282 I mean it’s true
I get board watching TH-cam and keep watching vids and here I am 😂
The thing I find the most interesting is comparing the Chinese version of Tiktok with the Western version.
The Chinese Tiktok is heavily moderated, and the majority of videos are about improving yourself, doing cool things, cute animals and generally happy things.
The western version is pure negativity, dangerous trends, mental illness, politics and degeneracy.
Go look for yourself and compare the two.
This is the mosti mportant thing to know. TikTok is a tool of demoralization of the west.
Now the question is whether the chinese government just regulated the shit out of Tiktok OR this was designed on purpose
In fact, the content of the Chinese version of TikTok is subject to stricter supervision. Minors under 18 years are subject to strict viewing time restrictions.
Even if you are an adult, many content cannot be seen, such as drug abuse, alcoholism, overeating, pornography...
This is why we call it 5th generational warfare. The Chinese government would like nothing more than to see the complete destruction of western society. This is not exactly something they keep to themselves so it is not a large stretch to see them want to destroy western culture as well and use as much money as it takes to accomplish this.
Well thats, because the chinese goverment is actually interested in supervising their citizens, they dont even have the same internet as we do. Most ppl see it as a negative understandably, but their are positive examples for it like in this case.
I think Asmon is deeply underestimating the power of TikTok algorithm, challenges before social media didn't have much reach, it was almost an innocent thing between friends, but now social media amplifies greatly even the most innocent stuff and the algorithm pushes things so it becomes this behemoth of a trend that may be really harmful to lots of people both physically and mentally
Yeah, there's a force multiplier at work here with the new technologies. That multiplier is getting big enough to be very damaging.
So you would say this panic about challenges is valid? Idk I don't live in a english speaking country and I'm almost 30 but I always thought only content creators and a small amount of people do it and that just makes it seem bigger than it is
@@idontcare9041 I don't live in an English speaking country either but I do know that algorithms favors not the right things but the things that get more clicks and views be it bad information or good information, even the developers don't know exactly what the algorithm is gonna push next, is a highly volatile system, that's what makes it dangerous
@@waifuhunter9709 Challenges and this tiktok-livestreaming that was discussed in the video are different topics. Challenges are simply stupid and not much beyond that
@@jw3807 It's easy to mistake nuance for bias, or mix them up. I do think he might be biased in some regards, but one thing you have to consider is that sometimes you know your own environment best. Asmon knows a whole lot more about all these different platforms and their histories than myself, and he will probably point out some nuances here and there where someone less "in touch" might be tempted to paint them all with a broader brush, if you know what I mean.
Imagine a book, a game or a film you are liking that is of a genre that has some generel or more specific negative reputation or opinions attached to it, and you get blamed or made fun of because of those things, but as someone more familiar with the genre you have a more nuanced understanding of it, and know which entries in the genre are bad and which aren't. I feel like Asmon is in kind of a similar situation here (his "genre" being internet platforms, lingo/slang, etc.)
"Where are the parents?"
Unfortunately, sometimes it's the parents that are putting their children in these situations to profit off of them. Some people are truly demons, no heart.
Also parents can not watch every move a kid makes. Specially not teens. And a kid who understands IT more then their parents can do it all in secret. I mean, in school when i was a teen we had NO trouble at all bypassing parental blocker or whatever its called. And that was early 2000. Kids nowadays understands more than what i do probably.
@@johncenashi5117 Yes and no. Can't watch em all the time, but you can check in occasionally.
Bring a couple of cookies to their room. This isn't a surprise inspection, this is cookies. You knock. But, you're not gonna miss it if something's going on.
Take interest in what they like. Talk about that cool new X that came out. Is it better than theirs? How many Xs do they have? In the back of your mind, take note if they should be able to afford that many.
Have a frank conversation about stranger danger and how that applies to the Internet. Don't sugar coat it. Don't interrogate them about what they may not want to share, but do ask them if they're being safe. Let them know you're willing to offer advice on request. Maybe share something embarassing from your own past. If you do this right, when shit goes wrong they'll come to you.
Be authoritative, not authoritarian. Build their trust in you, not your control over them.
Turns out, a lot of the parenting advice that's about building a healthy rapport also doubles up as non-intrusive ways to monitor your child for dangerous activity.
So I guess all this stuff kinda boils down to "be a good parent 4head"...
Because most parents just give kids tablets/phones instead of what they really need.
@@ElJags well... teens kinda need phones for you know. Beeing included. Without a phone they are basicly excluded from friends groupchat and all. The society that we live in now is depended on technology. Its gonna be reallyyy hard for a teenager to get included and "fit" in with the other teens.
It wasnt this at all when i were a teen. Im 30 now so realitivly not that long ago. But society changed so much in 15 years. Its insane.
@@johncenashi5117 oh yeah a teen in these days is expected since they are able to hold some responsibilities already.
But i mean parents who give tablets and phones to like 8- year old kids, like damn i have even seen parents buy devices for 3-4 years old. You can only wonder what that will do to their brains at such an early age.
I agree that kids have always done dumb crap, but social media has certainly expanded the reach. What I think is really missing is that when I was growing up and anyone did something stupid your parents were informed and they sat you down to explain why you shouldn't have done that thing. Parents aren't really doing that anymore and don't take the time to monitor their kids online life.
I don't think it is so much about monitoring their kids online life. Current day parents "simply" need to teach their kids how the online world works, and with all these challenges that hurt and or destroy things, good morals and rational thinking is simply a must in order to get through the current age as a young person.
Keeping your kids within sight at all times never did anything good, parents become obsessed and tired, kids feel trapped and annoyed.
@@casperryborg4869 I agree with all the things you said parents need to teach their kids as they are sorely lacking rn. I do think, as a mother, that some oversight is needed when online or at least parental 'guardrails' without being overbearing.
Wait I'm so confused, in schools parental referral is 100% still a punishment? Why are you saying that just doesn't happen anymore?
@zewps9502 Schools are very different now. They intentionally hide things from parents and have basically stripped their rights away. In kindergarten they are already teaching kids gender theory and CRT and transitioning kids behind their parents backs
@@casperryborg4869How are they going to teach them something, they are incredibly ignorant about themselves?
as a teenager around this age i can confidently say that they know what they are doing and they are all, evil society is doomed when my generation starts running things
Get in line, Generation X is still waiting for their turn from the Boomers and the Millenials will never get a chance if Gen X and the Boomers get their say because apparently everything in the world that is wrong is our fault, including the Gen Z epidemics.
Yep. Im 29 now, but I do remember what the girls were doing when we were 14. It was all voluntary. They would actively seek out "relations" with actual men. They would even make fun of guys their own age for not being "mature" enough. In my eyes both the men in these chats and the girls on camera are incredibly disgиsting.
22 yr sister of a 11 yrs girl here.
I heavily monitor what my sister does with her devices and this video is an incredible example as to why. As a young girl who grew up with internet myself, I have done a lot of really regretful and questionable things that I wish I haven't. I can't stress enough how important it is for parents to start paying more attention to their kid's activity on the internet. I am, however, against completely controlling the kid, taking their privacy away or not giving any access to the internet, since this will only worsen the situation. I believe just having simple parent controls that would not let the kid interact with strangers in games, or filter what apps and content the kid can access is enough. Man tiktok is sure sickening.
Crazy thing is that Asmon only found this one, there is another fiasco going on with TikTok promoting videos of girls 5yo or less with sickening comments and a suspicious number of saves on it.
Is it even right that kids that young would access to devices of that nature, when did you first get access to a device with a browser? The issue does lie primarily with parents, once you have access to a device, even seemingly harmless content will become a problem, since it disrupts your mental development.
@@Traycer69 this literally is not only extremist, impractical, exaggeration and maybe even indirectly harmful for a lot of people tho.
Like literally, EVERY kid is connected to this new tech. Every kid uses it, phones are more prevalent than active sewer system ffs. You literally can't stop this, no matter how hard you try or how bad studies say they are.
Also positive impact of internet access is way harder to measure, everything we can get is the most common opinion being "well i think it didn't affect me, but sure it's bad" like Asmon's, mine, and probably for the majority of people...
@@Traycer69 Personally, I Had a computer since I was as young as 5 years old although my time on the computer was limited to set hours per day my parent's wouldn't actively monitor what I was doing. Since I played MMOs back then pretty much everyone I met was significantly older than me, but I also got lucky with meeting nice people. I don't think time on the computer alone disrupts mental development in any significant way, in fact it can build interest for very nice careers from my experience. I do think social media such as tik tok is awful for kids. Kids shouldn't even be on it to begin with since tik tok in particular is restricted to anyone younger than 16, and most other social media platforms require you to be 13 or older.
I could be a bit biased here since it's because of gaming I work as a programmer and I've had a lot of good memories in general but I'll let you take it how you want.
@@Traycer69 go ahead and enlighten everyone on how a parent stops a child from accessing social media? You do realize that you can buy a phone that accesses these sites for next to nothing.
Gotta disagree with u asmongold..
I think people might have been dumb before individually, but social media made it worse by bringing the dumb together and influencing the not dumb to be dumb.
Tik tok is worse because its an immediate gratification and information being absorb, reaching even more people than in any social media apart from TH-cam.
Because tiktok is instant in gratification, everyone wants to outdo each other, and u see even more dangerous trends and deamining self worth than in the past.
Yeah it's like 10-20 years ago if you did some dumb shit as a kid, you might get a couple laughs, maybe some people will encourage you to do dumb shit again, maybe someone will record it on their brick phone and show it around the school, but you're gonna quickly realise you're making an ass of yourself, these days they do some dumb shit, put it on Tik Tok, start getting a load of views and likes and it becomes positive reinforcement, that stupid shit you just did made number go up, number go up = good, I need to do more stupid shit to make number go up more and then others see number go up and go "me ape, me need number go up too" now they're jumping on the dumbass bandwagon and this shit genuinely is rotting the youths brains more than any TV show ever could.
Not only that but so many kids/teens are so obsessed these days with the idea of becoming a content creator or online influencer that they'll do near anything to chase that pipe dream.
I agree wholeheartedly. At minimum, social media has only done the equivalent of taking all the village idiots and putting them all in the same spot to fester and become one giant loudmouthed group of village idiots.
Only difference now between them and the original village idiots is these ones know how to be loud and confident in what they say, even if what they ask for would've resulted in the Darwin Awards giving trophies for "How to meet a quicker game over."
Snowball effect meets psychological and developmental degradation
Yeah.. I feel like Asmon is right that things have been bad for a long time, and we tend to exaggerate the bad state of things today compared to 20 years ago, but he is probably underestimating the fact that social media and algorithm-driven platforms like TikTok especially are probably exacerbating the issue a whole lot more. And another thing I can't wrap my mind around is what impact these media would have on you if you started using them as early as elementary school. What does the typical school and social environment look like? It's all these things coming together in a toxic mix of detrimental influences. Imagine an example as easy as this: Everybody else is focusing on their smartphones, so it's difficult to make contact, and you are isolating yourself from people around anyway you because the interesting content is online, all the while you are not developed fully as a human (especially due to being underage), and you can easily imagine how that can lead to a downward spiral.
@@viccasaur Thats the thing though, he thinks that people who have an addiction deserves it because it´s their fault.
I turned 18 in February, and I've pretty much given up on all the bullshit that has happened because of TikTok.
I'll try to ignore it, yet I still see my 17/18 year old classmates scrolling through it nonstop during class. It's horrible and I'm glad I never touched it back when I was 14 years old.
@@Brekner if there’s not much to do, I always say bring something to pass the time rather than seeing what’s being uploaded on social media. It’s ok to do it but some people are just always doing it and they don’t stop.
Same when I was younger I didn't buy into that dumb shit and I barley put photos on my Facebook back then lol. And girls were after me all the time I'm just not that kind of person but then again I've had trust issues sense I was a kid. Im sure there's a healthy way of being online I personally don't care or don't know lol. Like my sister doesn't have any of it, if the government wanted to track her they would have no clue to go by as far as her online fingerprint. 😆
well done bro, keep improving, at the end of the day is just about who you want to become as an adult :), one who makes this worlds worse or one who makes this world still existing for good
Don't worry, when you'll finish high school many people around you will mature and some of them will realize that doing those things is a waste of time. Until then, have fun with your time and be proud that you don't like mindlessly scrolling through social media
@@Brekner i think its important during those times to stay away from the internet and just relax, talk to friends, practice patients and enjoy whats around you
Ive said it a million times and I'll say it a million more: children do not belong online and parents need yo stop buying their kids iphones and then leaving them alone so they dont have to actually parent. If you cant monitor your damn kids, you shouldnt be a parent. Point blank period.
That sounds nice but isnt practical. Kids have to learn how to live with and deal with the internet lest they be social pariahs and learn to despise their overly controlling parents.
"I remember vine challenges"
Sure thats all fine, we all agree that humanity never changes in essence. But the difference between Vine challenges and TikTok challenges is the size of the participating audience. Tiktok is huge, vine was not
You didn't live during vine did you? Because vine was MASSIVELY popular, i went to 3 different high schools and literally everyone at all of them had Vine, i knew adults that knew the phrase "do it for the vine" you can't say that vine wasn't popular
One way to prove you didn't live during vines age, say vine wasn't big
Vine was literally one of if not the biggest media site of its type at the time, it had tens of millions of viewers, the term "do it for the vine" was so popular I knew fucking 50 year olds that knew it, every school I went to i heard that stupid ass phrase repeated and repeated to get kids to do stuff
Vine was huge, even if only for a year or two but the algorithm wasn't nearly as pervasive and the posters weren't promoting these "challenges" at nearly the same level
@@nicholasbrown668It was popular for the time. Vine had 200,000,000 at its absolute peak.
TikTok has over 1,000,000,000. 5 times more than Vine. And it’s nowhere near its end.
@@nicholasbrown668 vine was big but still not as big as tiktok is right now.
Social media is so dumb.
Because humans are dumb
I agree! *post comment*
He keeps comparing tik tok to other stuff that was also bad like that somehow makes it... not bad? Tik Tok's reach is far bigger he keeps missing that fundamental point. Yea kids are stupid but that stupidity can be dangerous too when it's at scale.
Yeah he's on copium.
Exactly this annoyed me too much to continue watching this. Back then without phones you didn’t catch EVERY trend that’s might hurt you. Now it all gets viral
@@Magerquark Same same. I can't bear listening to all these excuses that i keep hearing from all sides over and over again. "It's just videos! Yeah but other people did stupid stuff too when they were young!" I know an 11yo girl who is worried about wrinkles and "keeping her youthful appearance" because of tiktok and too many youtube beauty tutorials. Social Media is fucking dangerous when not supervised.
I think it's more the argument of it not being inherent to tik tok, more an existing problem that is propagated by tiktok
"People always killed each other. Remember in the 70's and 80's, with all those serial killer? I don't know man... that's not new. Só what if some 16y are killing each other as a challenge? They are kids.".
I work in child protection and online grooming is a live and very challenging issue. I’ve delivered training to parents and social workers who don’t understand how to use net nannies let alone understand complex algorithms or the subtleties of grooming processes. While grooming and exploitation are not new, the self-reinforcing AI assisted access and opportunity is. It feels like a losing battle but it helps when people like yourselves take a stand and shine a light on the problem. Thank you!
Would you say these content control programs actually work and protect the children? I always thought they wouldn't really work because getting past it is only one google search away. I mean ideally the child agrees to it but realistically many don't and I think it's very important to have this discussion with them to get on the same page. I don't know, would be interesting hearing your perspective.
@@idontcare9041 one of the biggest problems is that children are usually more IT literate than their parents and can bypass these controls (if they’re turned in at all). Most parents are oblivious to the risks and therefore don’t monitor their kids online closely enough or know what to look for. I don’t think the solution is just IT or moderation based. It’s about raising awareness and supporting children to make good decisions, have healthy relationships, and staying safe. Its not a simple problem, so it doesn’t have a simple solution and goes beyond the virtual space.
@@sarahrothera3354 Yeah that makes sense. I totally agree with you on everything. It's a incredibly complicated problem and one that probably needs many different solutions together.
I hope you're doing a good job while overworked, because from what I know, a lot of child protection services end up dropping the ball on one way or another. It's an important thing to do that many don't do very well, I hope you're able to do right.
Online grooming is indeed a very challenging issue that infests almost every corner of the internet. I would say a lot more than I have, but it's hard to find the words to describe such a dense topic. I do agree with you though that parenting and raising awareness are probably the most important factors, because just knowing how to moderate things isn't going to make them any less vulnerable to people like that. Sadly, this is something I speak from experience.
@@MissPopuri I think net nannies are software you can install to monitor internet usage for children. Correct me if I’m wrong
Another thing to consider with all of this: the demographic for these apps has shifted to a younger audience since the days of Vine. Yes, there was stupid stuff on Vine [challenges, etc.], but you cannot tell me there were anywhere near as many elementary/middle school-aged kids with smart phones back then as there are today.
The influence over young people a “stupid challenge” or stupid person can have is so much higher today.
Just for anyone who doesn't know, the legal age in Europe for online adult content is 18. 16 is the legal age to engage in physical sexual acts but you can't do adult online content unless you are 18 so Asmond has a point. The fact TikTok sets the age to 16 is completely fucked in itself.
There is no set age in Europe for physical sexual acts...
@@SioxerNikitayou're wrong, every nation state of the eu has this
@@miljaardegod Yeah, they don't have the same age. It is not "16 is the legal age to engage in physical sexual acts" in Europe.
@@miljaardegod There is no set age in Europe. There are plenty of individual ages set by country.
@@miljaardegod Specifically (with a quick count, so not super precise)
12 x 14 years
9x 15 years
14x 16 Years
1x 17 years
and 1x 18 years.
Saying "Europe" has an age of consent is as wrong as it can be, because it varies a lot.
Some countries also have age differences along with the age of consent, or other stipulations... it cannot be much more different.
I got off of TikTok during a vacation, and when I came back, I kept it going. Been almost 6 months now and I saw my mental health improve a ton. Death scrolling is real
Genuinely sus that
I use to do this with IG. Still do sometimes when I need to hop on. The less social media in your life, the better your mental state.
@@rexila it's true. After quiting Facebook several years back I've been on a far better mood overall. That wasn't even the reason I quit Facebook either
Yeah, doom-scrolling is really bad for your mental health too. Just see your friends, take walks in nature, do sports, read good books and keep screen-time to a minimum. You‘ll find that you‘ll be a really happy person.
Mf acting like he became sober lmfao
Asmongold underplaying how damaging social media in general can be.
Yep, even twitch and youtube. You need to self moderate. It's literally technological opium
Timestamp?
people dont understand that kids grow up waaaay faster today because of the internet. so a 14 year old now is equivilent to a 24 year old back then...
@@Hot_SpicyGrill did you even watch the video? He is constantly saying how this was going on way before tik tok. You dont need a timestamp for something he says multiple times in the video.
@@scorch4299 no
I always respect the fact that no matter the discussion, Asmonn always contributes by actually giving his opinions and puts genuine thought into his response
@@indigo7387 true, whether you agree with him or not you can’t say he dances around anything
He has really insightful things to say and changed my perspective a number of times tbh
True and he’s always reacting to others self made content instead of making any of his own, gotta love his work ethic, right?
Ah yes this floor is made of floor
@Striffy Roo I agree 100%
Yet some Massive TH-camrs still defend TikToks existence
Tik tok is pure evil. That algorithm is super good at pinpointing what will waste the most of your time. I had to delete it after like a month.
If it's not tiktok then they'll use YT fb or insta. Tiktok isn't the issue. Thats like saying guns are the issue. The uk took away guns and now KNIFE CRIME is a thing. What they gonna do take away kitchen tools? Don't blame tiktok for an issue that's everywhere, including the p3dos choosing to be teachers so they can be surrounded by kids. That employee at the Legoland lol
I work in cybersecurity so I can't have tiktok on any of my devices due to the spyware that is attached to the app. After watching this I think I'm cool with not being able to have tiktok. This shit is nuts.
A genuine question as I’m curious as fuck, do most of our social media just have mad spyware involved?
right? what the fuck
What are you allowed to have?
I'm glad I didn't succumb to peer pressure back when TikTok was first getting around. It's scary thinking about how crappy my mental health could've been if I had chased what was popular at the time
The whole point is that TikTok is super addictive full of short memory span clips that keep you scrolling, wasting valuable time and doing nothing with your life. The entire social media era is a poison that needs to be cleansed or the Western society is going off a cliff.
prohibition doesnt work, it never has and never will. simply just educate people about the risks of the kind of content they consume ad let them make better decisions, parents also need to do way better and supervise their kids
@@Quintessence4444 At least your Brain is working while watching the video
literally almost every nation in the world is suffering from this as far as I know
We’re already “off” the cliff. I can’t imagine what could possibly take place to prevent the collapse of the US. We just haven’t felt the pain yet
Totally agree, good thing Video games are completely different right guys?
TikTok should be banned. This is not complicated.
Se thing people were saying about TH-cam. What it needs is the same fucking thing everything else does but nobody admits: regulations.
@@MikeSW👍
Soon
@@jordanbauerly8843my dude they literally give information to the CCP, they are a foreign intelligence service and don't need to be in the US
If tiktok is banned something else will replace it and likely have even less regulations until it's forced to change or it in turn is banned, the best course of action is to use tiktok as a way to combat it without driving it further underground where it can flourish without regulation
My wife is a speech therapist and works with kids in the public school system… can confirm the information shared about how the response to COVID-19 stunted some kids’ language AND conflict management skills. It’s hurt a lot of kids and, unfortunately, we may not know how much damage was done until said kids reach the workforce.
Thank you for correctly identifying that it was the response to C19 that has caused problems, far too often the virus itself gets blamed for everything and the human element is ignored.
I was in speech therapy in elementary school but when I transferred to middle I guess my file didn’t transfer and I was asked where I left off I didn’t know I was a dumb kid so the new therapist kicked me out. I think I’m good now but it bugs me I never completed my training
In which ways?
I'm so happy some people isolate themselves from this crap and focus on WOW and stuff to stay normal.
WoW >>>>>>> TikTok. Any day, anytime
-An FFXIV player
user name checks out
No one who plays WoW seriously is "normal". 😂
The one dumb challenge I remember was the Skullcrusher Challenge, which was 2 people, one on each side of another person, basically dunking that person's head into the ground, for no fucking reason
The dumbest thing I saw relating to a tik tok challenge was "get into a fight with your partner and pretend like you going to hit them" where one couple sat there and went no this is bad, not right, dumb challenge...but we're going to pretend to do it anyway just as a skit...and proceeded to do it 🤦♂️
@@Russian_engineer_bmstu what was that one Cuz I dont remember it on the top of my head
Sounds like a Darwin challenge. xD
I feel like some of these challenges were either made by sadists or trolls that want to see just how stupid some people can be.
@@flarestorm9417 I want to see the depth of dissapointment in humankind in said trolls eyes.
My main issue is that this isn't tiktok being in over their head, it's clearly them allowing this to happen when they have the means to stop it. I can guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of those issues don't exist on the Chinese version of the app
Well that's more because of capitalism than anything else lol.
In China they only allow kids like an hour a day and it's only educational stuff. Obviously such a system wouldn't make any money in the US.
They get a cut of each donation, dont they?
"Where's Chris Hansen?"
*They canceled him*
No, he still does the same type of show now.
This also goes back to how low salaries have become. Parents forced to work 2 or 3 jobs with low salaries simply don't have the time and energy to keep their kids in check and earn enough to survive.
Another issue with the kids and young teens in general is the parents just not caring what their kid access online.
Stop giving children wholesale internet access, limit it in the first place and monitor the sites that they do use.
@@jacara1981 yeah that's a part of the problem too. Parents don't put effort into understanding how to use it but let their kids have smartphones at age 10. So it's no wonder their kids learn how to use it faster than them.
@@whoahanant age 10 , u mean age 1 , I see babies playing with phones every time I try and walk around through the park
I call it ThiccTh*t and only that.
Cause I know when a side is ghetto.
The more you restrict kids the sneakier they get and the more they just end up hiding from their parents in the long haul. Definitely not the prime solution
@@rasmachris94 yep i whole heartedly agree
"tik-tok behaviour". This need to be a new term of diagnostic
Back in my day we just played outside with sticks and rocks and took candy from strangers, the hell happened to society?
Not like it was all sunshine and rainbows. Lots of dangerous, destructive, and life ruining things went on while "playing outside". Eating disorders were a huge thing in the 90's and we have been neglectful of mental health forever in the US. Always feel the need to point out that Walt Disney in the 60's wanted to build Epcot into a Utopia city because he thought the youth were ruining the country.
@@xxkildarxx ya but we never ate Tide pods, we just ate candies that melted the inside of our mouths, and now warheads are shit because people are too soft nowadays
@@ianswanson332 Are you kidding? There was always a kid who was "dared" to put awful often unsafe stuff into their mouth. We choked each into unconsciousness. Car surfing or driving with your headlights off. Kids started smoking as young as 11 or 12 while "playing outside". More kids started joining gangs in the 90s as well. Not to mention a good number of the Tide pod videos are faked.
@@xxkildarxx yes I am kidding, relax lol
@@ianswanson332 Meh, good ol day comments are annoying.
I've said it before and i'll say it again: delete all social media from the internet, starting with tiktok. It does far more harm than good. The fact that this is such a problem is insane to me.
Well, if you want to follow your own advice. TH-cam is a social media platform too.
@@metallboy25fuck it
@@metallboy25yes but no. Is cable TV social media for boomer celebrities?
@@LonestarBFCan you comment on cable tv? Can you post on cable tv in any way?
I do think there is a _snowball effect_ from social media. Back in the day, yes _weird_ stuff did happen, but it wasn't as exposed - and - now that it is, can influence other people, on a larger scale.
Tiktok challenges can sometimes be dangerous. In the last few months in the UK we have seen 2 children who died doing a suffocate yourself challenge because they were told it was harmless fun by adults on Tiktok.
I'm not on tiktok so I'm not sure exactly what the challenge is. Is it to use a belt kinda thing?
If so, that's not new and not TT exclusive. Shit was going around the internet 20 years ago when I was a kid.
The
What
?
Fatherless moment
im glad i was a kid in the era where you would be lucky to have your parents buy you a nokia 3310 by the time you were 14-16 years old and you spent your childhood out playing in the forest
I'm from 1990 and I owned a 3310 for my entire high school career. Even with the raise of smartphones i still consider it as my favorite device cause it was so small pocketable reliable, build as a tank and indestructive.
I used a 6310i until 2018. I did also play in the forest as a kid, but I also remember the very helpful communal hidden forest magazines.
Cell phones and the Internet didn't even exist when I was a kid. It was better in many ways.
So glad I isolate myself from society and just play wow
Horde?
Rather be alone and happy than together and miserable, keep the torch going my friend.
..imagine playing wow today, its a another kind of “special society“ by itself
Human beings are innately social creatures. Even the most introverted people still need some human interaction. Without it, your mental and eventually physical health will deteriorate and youll lose all will to live. This phenomenon has been reproduced in rats and other mammals. Its the mechanism of addiction: isolation. No matter how depraved the world around us may seem, dont let that get in the way of what you and every other human being needs on a deep, biological level.
"Where are the parents?"
Isn't that the million dollar question.
This is why Parents matter. Hey parent, have a spine and say 'no'.
This title is so true and the sad reality of our society today
Aw, c'mon!!
Tiktok is a psychological weapon
People act like only boomers hate tiktok but I'm a teen and hate it with a passion.
You remind me of those “I was born in the wrong generation” type of kids.
Same with me 10 years ago with Facebook and Instagram. Tik Tok is just an outgrowth of the same disease
When i Was 16 my mom wouldn’t get internet for the house because she “didn’t believe in it”. As a 16 year old i had to call the cable company to set our home up and i was responsible for the bill. 15 years later we have kids selling feet pics on tiktok
its not any media, its the society that formed the people who use them.
I facepalmed and rolled my eyes soo many damn times watching this.
I guess I had a shitty childhood not egging a person's house or burning down my garage in some "seeifitburns" challenge.
What did you expect of an app that doesn't do anything about pedophilia?
I guess they wanted to get ahead of the Just Chatting meta on Twitch.
Well, based on the video they seem to do 'something', but it doesn't seem to be enough. They seem to go after the problems when they pop-up, but don't do anything to stop the problems from cropping up in the first place. I also heard once that they basically tried quarantining people that were getting negative intention instead of actually dealing with the negative remarks (I think it was a woman being made fun of for being overweight?), which if so that does fit in with the Chinese method of dealing with problems.
Tiktok needs to be investigated by a law enforcement agency.
@@alispeed5095 it has, Its called the department of defense and they trust that garbage as much as flat earthers trust a globe.
It literally has been where have u been lol they tried to ban it and everything cuz it is spy software for china
I think Asmon is missing out on one big key factor when it comes to the argument of "disrespect" at the start of the video when he compares it to kids in highschool. Kids in highschool did it to be edgy and "cool". Kids on Social Media and vice versa Tiktok dont do it to be edgy and "cool". They do it because it gets attention. They dont care about wether or not it makes people angry, they just want people to see what they are doing because they are attention starved in this day and age.
Truest true I've read today. Also real.
@Rando yeah it basically is
yes. Attention seeking plagued the under classmen my last year of highschool. Such disgusting levels that a ton of girls started saying they were bisexual but they only dated guys. Some people may debate this but we are not idiots they very clearly were not interested in girls whatsoever. Just get attention and praise from saying something that has no meaning
@Rando not on the same level plus there are two types of edgy and "cool"/cringe
And more often than not kids who do this type of stuff irl do it to simply be edgy cause lol funny and offensive. Not to get attention.
These tiktok kids on the other hand do this stuff almost always for clicks. Not to have a laugh. Not to just piss people off. But to get online fame.
1:05 I honestly feel like gen z could legitimately be the first generation where the holocaust is so far away that they're as detached from it as any other horrific thing in a history book
My two cents: there will always be *something* that is fucked up and a dangerous influence for kids. I think a good solution would be to help teach critical thinking skills and educate over the many negative elements of the internet. Using the Internet comes with responsibility and it needs to be presented that way to the younger generation. You can use it as a tool for all sorts of things, but be prepared to pay the price if you don’t use it wisely.
Surprised to see Asmongold defending Tiktok here.
It's a LOT different to other social media platforms, and is definitely lowering people's attention span.
No its just you boomers pretending things were better back in the day. They werent.
Same...makes me think he's just being a devils advocate? Maybe?
@@derekbeck1982 he always does he never takes an opinion on anything
thank you for the content. Ive been working nights and have shitty internet at work so Ive been downloading anything I can to help get me through my work week, keep up the posting, much love to you and your team
Get mad at the parents of those girls before you get mad at the girls.
One of the most disturbing challenges I remember is that one where ppl randomly ran up and slapped strangers as hard as they could and killed some people and bum fights were huge when I was younger
Tiktok is banned in India...❤️🇮🇳
Looks like I'm moving to India to avoid this nonsen
Why can’t the world follow suit??
@@ccdsds3221 oh. You did not get toilet there, so 😭😭
@@sparkofcuriousity who are you to decide the standards????
@@ccdsds3221 Do not comment about my country. Show some respect on social platform.
TikTok was a mistake
Get this guy some like cus he said what we all think
Tik tok was created by China. So, from their point of view it wasn't.
Social media* 😅
TikTok is the cancer of the internet, TikTok easy brought down the worlds IQ with several points.
We learned about the holocaust in school when we were 13 or so. Kids age 15 should definitly be able to comprehend that.
I'm a heavy tiktok user and I've never seen any of these dumb challenges personally, so it has some containment to where you only see it if you seek it out. But I also remember a time when news stations have falsely reported on "harmful tiktok challenges" to scare up sentiment
Yes its on the internet , yes every other platform faces/facing this problem , but tiktok by design amplifies it and makes it worse. Every other platform even if its heavily algorithm dominated you have manual control in some ways , on tiktok the algorithm feeds you everything , and since it is short form it appeals more to emotions/instincts than anything else , and it is by design .
11:30 I'd say Video Games can dramatically increase attention span, especially with in-depth story driven RPGs or professional competitive. You have to focus pretty much constantly in those genres otherwise you can miss story or die in competitive.
I'd also say that whilst all social media has downsides, TikTok is especially detrimental to attention span due to its short form content that is endlessly swiped away.
What asmon said at 14:00 made me feel so much better I thought I was alone in this I feel like the pandemic held my speech and vocabulary back several years I noticed I was stumbling over my words all the time and it stated to worry me
His channel is just named 'Upper Echelon' since he went on to cover more than just gaming topics.
I think the point the video is trying to make is that social media like tiktok exacerbates things to a higher degree than usual.
Like yeah, we've always had pranks and kids doing stupid things but the reach and virality of social media like tiktok exposes it to more people and thus, more end up doing them. Which ends up being a bigger problem.
Kids are expected to do stupid decisions obviously, but there is a line to be crossed on how stupid especially when most of these insane harmful choices are the trends of an app people saw just to get internet points
I disagree 4chan was way more niche. Nowadays basically every kid has a phone and is trying to be an influencer so they do dumb things to get famous.
Vandalism at schools is a thing before Tik Tok because I remember in high school one of the basketball or football players ripped the soap dispenser off the wall in the bathroom
TikTok literally melts braincells it's insane.
i agree with everything but i cant believe that you completely dont consider the fact that a whole generation is addicted to tiktok and getting braindamaged by it. This toxic problem is so huge and tiktok should be banned for the mental health of everyone.
Maybe you dont get addicted but almost everyone else and especially the young people.
i feel like you're in an echo chamber.......
All these people just care about Palestine now. Boy, talk about a flip-flop.
Can't wait until that fad is over
I really appreciate you using your platform to discuss serious issues like this. It's really important to teach our children the dangers of the internet, what to be careful about, and how to deal with the personalities that you will run into online. I am constantly needing to tell my child that certain behaviors are not normal and that IN MOST CASES people do not act that way in real life as they do online and that it's NOT acceptable behavior. I am constantly asking who my son is playing with and how old they are, I monitor his messaging and his usage. I have played games WITH him that were completely created for children but adults played it too. They said complete pedophile remarks to him and when he got called out he said that my son was the fucked up one for using a voice changer....that was his excuse for calling him "daddy" (they called my son this) and saying a innuendo for sucking his dick (said to my son). My son was most definitely not using a voice changer as I explained he was my son, he is 8 ,and we are playing together. Sure we can say "well, he shouldn't be able to play online games that requires communication", but is that really fixing the problem? We need to protect them and create safe spaces and it shouldn't just be something we do in the real world but also actively do online. I do agree the government needs to be involved because I believe people need to be held responsible for their actions that would be considered ILLEGAL if done not online. It's the digital age, get with the program!
Thank you! People keep saying kids are getting dumber, but we were pretty dumb. It just wasn't documented.
You should do a follow up on this, I see why they try banning this but our government was to greedy and stupid to do it right.
As someone who is 44, I knew a kid who died of the Blackout challenge... when I was like 15. I believe it was called Final Destination then. So yeah, challenges have been around forever. Unfortunately, TikTok gets so much worse than that.
This brings me to back when China enforced several rules for streaming platforms about soliciting donations from minors and cracked down super hard on streaming content as well as forcing the providers to further "sanitize" their algorithms... It made me realize that they probably collected all this data (probably because they are far more "effective" at it) and decided to do this way ahead of us in a far more forceful way. This was very poorly received by game streamers and content creators in the West but we forget that things this video outlined also existed and was probably the main focus of China's crackdown.
I don't know what to think about the crackdown, I honestly don't know how to fight these despicable human filth without collateral. I don't know which side to pick on this...
As a parent to two young girls, i have forbade any internet except for school research, and i have never been more sure of my decision
If you're not mentally fit and responsible for your actions to sign a contract until 18, why give death machines to 16-year-olds? We live in a world where supposedly grown adults shirk any shred of responsibility, and often succeed.
my gf everyday would come to me with a “new problem” she would have cause of tiktok. she would see a health tiktok that says “if you feel like this you have ‘severe depression’” and then she would think she has it cause she would identify with one or two points in the video. tiktok is bad for gullible people
The only lives I get are people that build card towers with an emo filter on, bagging people to "not" send gifts. I'm not so mad about it anymore...
Behavioral Psychologist here: TikTok only shows you the videos you are interested in intermittently. You have to scroll a bit before the algorithm gives you a video it knows you like. Look up intermittent reinforcement. It's a trick used to get you engaged in a behavior for as long as possible.
I'm a guy and when I was 15 I got people to donate money for the minecraft server I was running. My dad was worried about it even when my name, face, etc. had nothing to do with any of the money coming in. He's like 70 now as well and even he could understand that some things are often just too good to be true, or at least too good to not think carefully about.
It’s the whole “great power comes with great responsibility” thing. People can do good, but you mostly see the bad
Agreed. Also, TikTok is curating an unprecedented culture of collectivism in young people. It's very sheep like.
Most of the TikTok stuff isn't even about whether shit is funny or not, it's just about whether the hive agrees that this is the THING
I don't even watch these original videos anymore I literally only watch them through Asmon.
Bottom line: kids need to stay off social media
The 22 minute mark is where I started feeling ill.
That’s why context matters so much. With proper context of the situation it can easily differentiate between stupidity and ignorance and or just outright hate.
Surprised to hear asmon defend tiktok, usually has a good perspective on this stuff
Keep watching, he turns around.
I love you bro. I bet your mom is so proud of you. It all started w yall standing in line for the game and playing as a family and now you have evolved to advocating for children’s safety beyond WoW. Inspiring. Show the people that just bc your family plays a “nerd” game like wow that you guys find life and purpose in it. I dont like that everyone tried to tell people how to live their lives. If playing a game makes you happy and contentment then please guys do what you love. Just remember to take care of your body and mind :D i dont but the people around me that care for me do take great care of me lol ion got time to eat a salad when i got WoW to play!
Worth noting: Tiktok in china instead pushes educational tiktoks, whereas in the west the chinese tiktok pushes silly dances and porn-adjecant tiktoks. Do with this information what you want.
Actually tiktok just pushes whatever is popular and what the advertisers want.
@@orangerightgold7512 Actually you're confidently sharing a wrong belief.
@@amadeus5923 don't drop your tinfoil hat now
@@orangerightgold7512 This is dumb. Tiktok in China has daily time limit of 40 minutes per day for youth and pushes educational content specifically. This is their own statements. You're just showing you don't know anything about what you're talking about.
bruh the Internet was supposed to be a gift (and a small portion of it still is, like being able to Google any fact you need to check and read the Wikipedia page on that is awesome, but that's about it) but turned out to be a curse in so many ways...
Multi generational homes. Mom and dad cant do it alone, so grandma and grandpa help.
Alternatively, mom and dad have more kids, so they can police each other.
Out of morbid curiosity, I'd like to see some real numbers on just how bad this is. I'd like to see a group tasked with investigating this covertly and cover something like X cases per 1000 users. I'd like to see if they can actually find out these girls actual ages vs what's being claimed on the platform and I'd like to hear just how it is that the parents aren't apparently there.
I like when the point UEG was making was about developmental issues in young people as a result of overexposure to wildly differing physical and verbal tics from videos they watch on TikTok and Asmon goes on a five minute tangent about people faking mental illness and the repurcussions they face when they're found out and then spends the next ten minutes completely ignoring UEGs point on the mental health risks because TikTok isn't the sole factor influencing it and completely missing it when it's cited as evidence in a study right in front of him.
"Where are the parents?" As far as the actual parents or guardians are concerned, the internet is the parent. It's sad but true.
There's a girl called Ashlee who was famous on tiktok and Instagram for doing this stuff and even worse stuff, that she was selling through cashapp and paypal, her dad was recently arrested because the money was going to his account, he was basically pimping his daughter online
@@MasterIceyy It's honestly dreadful how some people can be.
The short of it is; You had the child. Look after your child. Be a parent. Not their friend, their buddy or whatever. Their parent/Guardian.
Yeah, sure, we all need a break from things frok time to time but for Christ's sake, giving your toddler an iPad with uninhibited access to the internet for hours because it 'keeps them quiet' is absolutely a no-go. Not monitoring your child's activities online is a no-go. Not even installing a restrictive programme to limit their qccess is a no-go.
I reallly feel for these kids. They're already so messed up. It's sick.