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Had not seen that “machine” before. Looks interesting
I bought a 5" Kaka after seeing yours. Love it! Glad to see you back. Was afraid you might have been caught in some of the severe weather in your area.
@@kentjohnson3071 hah! There has been a lot of it. Just been busy
I own one and absolutely love it! But keep in mind it's intended for sheet metal only, it's not a heavy duty tool. I highly recommend you buy the Harbor Freight 20 ton press AND the Swag off road break kit for it. You can bend some very thick metal with that setup.
I agree. I was pushing the limits so its not a very good representation of the machine. I did fine a larger brake that im interested in.
I just got the swag off road brake kit for the 20 ton and love it
@@SpicerDesignsLLC Care to share what larger brake you are interested in? I'm also looking for something to do 14 or 12 Gauge 26" wide.
@@davidhoffman8072 its the kaka pbb-4012. I may purchase it tomorrow
I bought a smaller finger break because I make boxes, pans, trays, and brackets. The 3-in-1 seemed like a far less useful tool because the brake sucked.
Dude there is a bench right there!!! My knees are killing me just watching Most Harbor Freight tools work fine as long as you dont exceed Factory recommendations
Kyle, I’ve had one of these for a long time (back when they cost $300) and they are definitely Chinesium’s finest. I hate that the die moves up instead of the fingers moving down. But overall, it is slightly better than 2 rocks and a stump. Increase your odds by fully greasing and lubing everything. For the shear, back it off and replace it with a stick of butter, works about the same. You can adjust the depth of the machine plunge by setting the finger height and that will help with over/under 90 degrees finish. For box work, you will need to take out unused fingers to allow clearance for previous bends.
More falling and Keystone girl please!
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Thanks for the pointers. I did end up returning it. I did adjust the fingers and it gave me a perfect 90. Not a bad machine for the price. I mainly need the brake for thicker material.
You had me at “slightly better than two rock and a stump” and finished nicely with the stick of butter.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: “These are not the machineries you’re looking for.”
I've been eye ballin this for a while now. Glad I watched this. Everything I work with is 12ga, so now I know its not a good option for me! Thanks for being the guinea pig!
Glad I could help
I bought one of these from the HarborFreight corporate headquarters parking lot sale sometime around 1997 to 1999. I’ve been dragging that thing around for close to 30 years and only used it a few times. It doesn’t look like it has changed much although mine is green. I got some amazing deals from those annual parking lot sales. I think a lot of the tools I acquired were prototypes from the HarborFreight purchasing office.
Hm.. i never knew that had parking lot sales. Its not a bad tool, just not going to work for what i need.
I bought mine around the same time. Mine is a 52" wide and it too is green. I like it. When I got it I had to do some fine tuning on it so it would bend even all the way across.
I bought one from Harbor Freight back when they where gray, back in the early 2000's for about $340, your results are a little better then mine, I finally sold it for $100 in 2017
That crates bigger than my whole work shed. Ya know, I think I'll get one so I have more room to work.
Hah! It really is a nice crate.
I think if you just gave up on the shear part (It wouldn't be useful for me either) it probably wouldn't be hard to make a new bottom die with a wider vee - that would decrease the necessary tonnage by alot. For instance if you go from a 1 inch die to a 1.5 die on 16 ga. you go from a little over 2 tons/ft to 1.37t per foot.
I do small decor and art out of stainless and looked into this and the single unit press brake harbor freight offered and ended up settling on the single unit. This unit seems nice in that you get everything in one but spec wise I got sketched out by the thinness of the gauge it could handle. I work as an Engineer in a fab shop anyways so I can use our actual press brakes during break for certain projects that require larger material thickness. I have used the single unit one for about a year now handles up to 16ga but I wouldn't suggest it unless its all you can afford at the time. One the top bar is solid and its just painted steel so every bend destroys more of the paint. 2 the bottom piece to perform the bend should really be angle Iron not 1/2" I think if memory serves flat stock. 3 it does not handle the max material gauge well at it's max width.
I think you nailed it talking about how you lose effective function when it's a combination tool. I think if you're going the budget route, maybe seperate tools might be the better option versus a combo unit.
I've had one for about 18 months and it works great for automotive sheet metal. I somewhat tore mine down and cleaned and check the cast iron for problems and then aligned it before I used it. I mounted it on a roll around tool box.
I have thought about getting one for myself but I figured I’d be wasting my time and money. I use pretty thick materials so I passed. Thanks for the video.
I picked one up on market place for $100 like new. works perfect for the projects I do with it.
I own one of these and found it difficult to align my bend line with the center of the bending die. To solve this problem, I mark a second line, on the piece to bent, 7/16" off the center line on each end and align that with the front edge of the lower bending die. Also, for larger pieces, try using 90 degree welding magnets attached to the lower bending die to help support each end. Though I'd prefer a machine that could handle thicker material, this thing works as advertised.
Thanks for the product review. I’m looking for a good brake as well.
Ive got a different one on the way. Will be here week after next. Should be perfect.
I have the 40 inch base cracked at on end after a little use drilled long all thread pulled together then weld its cheap cast iron body shear blade likes to move when cutting long stuff does do good brake work
Got my first pair of thorogoods this winter. Used them to frame a house in NH. Kept my feet warm and dry, and pretty comfortable too.
Theyre great boots. Pretty comfortable too.
This is the first video of yours which I have watched. Your hijinks are pretty funny. Thanks for reviewing this tool. I have long wondered about its capabilities.
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching
B- for ingenuity, C- for execution. good review! 👍
The angle iron on the back side that is adjustable is actually a back stop for repetitive size cutting as far as I have been told/taught. I've been working in metal fab shops for 25yrs. Usually a secondary table or stand of sort is on the long side of the metal to support it. I'm not saying it can not be used for that but I've always known it as a back stop.
Right. I thought i mention that in the video too. Can be used to gauge multiple cut lengths. Thanks for the info!
I certainly am glad I seen your review before I bought one of these. Lol! Thanks for the video.
I thought for sure you'd try pushing the handle down with the Kioti bucket. I guess that thing would be great as the world's largest pasta roller? 🍻
Thanks for your presentation on this piece of equipment.I was able to bend 3/8 x3” using the harbor freight 20 ton press,I also put some heat into the piece first black heat only it seemed to help.
Wow. Definitely helpful!!!! Saved me from buying that thing. I was just looking at one on Thursday….. so glad you do these reviews 😁 as always thanks for an honest assessment Kyle
I was over the rated thickness so it may be ok for the recommended material. I wasn’t a fan of the design though.
I think that'll be an awesome addition to your shop. Just need to get it mounted and play around with it to figure out it's capabilities, durability etc. The follow up will be watching your future fabrication videos where I'm sure we'll see this machine in action!
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The roller works way better if you release the side arms for the break and shear. So the rollers spin free.
Such a tease with the moving blankets.
Its just a bunch more moving blankets behind the moving blanket.
I learned a lot... You work with 1/4" rod a lot. And everyone likes 6". Good review that pushed the limits. Anxious to see the new project.
Hah! Exactly.
...I meant take the 2 bolts out of the arms that bolt into the break section, then rollers spin free. It's allot easier to use the roller part.
Glad you bought one so I don't have to lol. Probably works fine on thin stuff.
If you haven't broken it yet, and you decide to keep it, DO NOT "give er the beans".
I have one that I broke trying to bend almost as much 14 g as you tried. I snapped the cam arm on the opposite side from the handle. I repaired it well enoigh to work and for this stuff it is great, but stick to the lightest duty possible or beware of $640 boat anchors in your shop.
Thanks for the info. I ended up returning it.
Your better off spent the $600 on materials and building your own hydraulic press break. Thank you for the review I was thinking about getting one of these but I don’t work with 20g to often. You saved me $600 dollars!
You went down that road, lots of haters out there with this machine.......MACHINE. I almost bought a barely used one several years back but backed out. Actually the brake was impressive with the thicker test pieces you did, it worked better that I would have thought. But now I have a press brake and shear, old reliable iron. Glad I waited.
You need a Swag Off Road press brake for the heavy gauge metal. They work great.
Thanks for doing this review . At one time I thought about getting one of these and now I wont !
Kyle, glad you returned that! For the work you do,... Yer gonna have to spend the money , you do quality work!
I found a better one that will bend 12 ga. Im trying to work out a deal with them. We’ll see. I need to get it soon for these projects.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC I'm finally gonna see what's behind the moving pad!!!
I'm so excited 😁
Love your channel. Just found it.
Use a torch on that 14g and you will be able to bend it.
Or use something to extend that handle for exfra leverage.
I ended up returning it. Long term it isnt going to work for me. I just had the new one delivered. Ill have that video out in the next week or so.
I’m thinking that maybe you swap out the handle. Something longer for more leverage. Plus anchor down the brake.
yes sir maybe try putting on a homemade rolled stock in a spoked like wheel for a handle had one in a shop worked at years ago worked ok then got some chain and spocets went motorized
Good idea
You should make your own handle , the left side looks like you can put a handle in there. then connect the 2 handles with a bar going across and use that to push down equal pressure on both side when bending the metal 90 degrees.
It needs a giant heavy flywheel, but you'll probably start breaking things at that point.
I've had this tool for 7yrs, used it maybe three times? I'm sure it's fine within recommended guidelines. But I also only work with 14ga and heavier, which is why I bit the bullet and built a 40 ton press brake. It can bend up to 3/8" thick mild steel at full 50" width capacity. I've bent 16" wide 1/2" thick mild steel plate with no problem. Wasn't that big of a deal to build and well worth the $1k material cost. Seemed a little over the top at first, but I wouldn't hesitate to build it again!
That would be nice to have in the shop.
I have the same one and it has its uses working with thin metal, but I’ve seen where people have broke the cast pushing it too hard.
Ya id say that staying within the recommended capacities is a must. I don’t think you can get much more out of it. But for what it is its not bad. I just wanted to see how far i could push it.
For doing floorboards or building a trans tunnel its OK anything heavier Nope A friend of mine got one for what we do, well its a PIA but it works.
When all else fails read the instructions
I inherited an employer purchased Baileigh branded 3 in 1 that turned out to be one of these. The shear works fine for up to 16ga aluminum. In steel, the shear is basically useless unless its a really short piece. The brake and sliproll function is only slightly better. For sure would NOT recommend if you have to pay for it.
Awesome review bro! It's really not a bad little multi tool lol.. I got mine a few years back and I remember paying a lot less. That kind of sucks they went up that much. Also on mine if I cut more to the end instead of in the middle it cuts better and thicker metal than 20g. Keep the Vids coming!
Well, many years ago I decided to buy as many of their products that meet my needs when they were 20 to 30 %off... and before they upgraded their game and prices like they have been doing for the last several years. For the most part my purchases have met my needs. I own rental property and a land services business and do much of my own work. Between Ryobi, Harbor Freight, yeswelder, Lotus, HUSKY... and careful picking of decent less expensive tools, I could afford a kubota ztr, a tractor and implements, etc. Was wondering about the break from HF. I WOULD give you a hundred for it if you are close enough for me to come get it... ;-)
From your demo...I would give it 3 out of 5 stars.
For what you need at the thickness you need to work at you are going to have to spend $4k to $5 or stay within the parameters of the Harbor Freight. The HF isn't junk you just need to exceed the manufacturer limits, which is fine those are your needs and you didn't believe that this is a 16 gauge machine even though Harbor Freight lists the limit on the web page of their website. I would suggest looking for a machine that can handle 10 gauge so you are not always working at the limit of the machine, you may want to look at a hydraulic If you have to do bending and searing for a full 8 hours for one or multiple projects and a hydrologic cuts that down to 1 or 2 hours how much money did you save, and how many more projects could you do with the time you saved?
Thanks for this evaluation.
So, did you have to replace the :dented" shear blade after your test?
(A friend of mine bought one several years ago and he bent the whole machine.)
I bought a 4ft metal brake off facebook and I can bend 1/8 x 6 on it easily, I built a bender for my 50 ton press. I can bend 1/2x5 in my bender for my press.
I was looking at the one from Eastwood at $899, Now that I see this one, I would think they are the same manufacturer. Although the Eastwood has handles on both sides. Thanks to you guess I'll be looking else where. Thanks man!
Check out Kakaindustrial.com. They have some pretty good machine for good prices.
Be nice to have two handles, no catch pan for cuttings cuts better on left side
dude, awesome video, learned a lot. I have a 9 inch, and 52 inch KAKA!! also made in china, but do ok. Glad I seen this. I work with thinner gauges stainless and aluminum, 24, 22, mainly up to 18. so it wouldn't be as bad on my end. but I'll continue looking around. Great video, taking notes!
Thanks. Glad it was helpful
I bought this last year to give it the rundown. I also returned it a few days later. I feel your pain here.
Unfortunately, finding a break to handle 16 gauge steel gets pricy quick. If you find something decent for the money, I'm all ears. :-)
You are right about that. I did find a brake that im going to be purchasing this week. Its almost 2k though. Pretty salty
Looking forward to your next video cheers 🍻
I have one of these and I broke the arm that picks up shear/ brake buy trying to shear a pice of 1/8 aluminum. Lol
very helpful video
thank i think to buy . i change my mind
Great video. Thanks for trying. Ive been monitoring craigslist for years now for something to do that job. Its always either too small or too big.
Nice moves by the way. Got some mad on the box knee shufflin moves. Whoever re-buys that junk will wonder why the shoe marks are up there. ha ha
Hah! I was thinking the same thing with the shoe marks
For round bar just get yourself some bending forks
Picked up one of these a few yrs ago for 175 bucks. Looked like it was never used... or not used much. 600 bucks? Id never pay anything close to that. Occasionally I do work with thinner stuff and it does work for that. I got a hydraulic press with bending dies for thicker metal. Just about killed my back getting that darned press into my truck with the seller helping me. It is heavier then it looks.
Ya its deceiving how heavy it is.
Get a hydraulic ram and pump and fab a bracket to connect the ram to the handleshaft
I dont think it could handle that kind of power. Good idea though. I just ordered something that should do the trick.
@SpicerDesignsLLC I think machines that do multiple things instead of just 1 like 3in 1, doesn't do any of the things good...
Good review. Good return. Not so great MACHINE!
These machines will do more than they are rated at. But overloading it will cause faster and more damaging wear or bends reducing tolerance.
I wonder if it's low rating is because of the material of the breaks themselves. Maybe a better steel for those?
Im not sure. I think physical size and leverage have a lot to do with it. Being that its pretty small it just can do the thicker material.
Great Demonstration. Now you know. And we do to. Buy more shit and Demo it ,so we don't have to Hassel with trying it out and taking it back. LOL
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Ya that be getting returned
Already returned it. Was worth a try i guess
With 28 guage it works great. Using steel more than twice as thick as its designed for isn't much of a test. Most users aren't trying to break it, just to do metal work.
Thats why the title is testing the limits. I said exactly what i was doing in the intro as well.
Tha work for soda can ?
If TH-cam is to be believed, the brands that only Harbor Freight carries, Central Machinery, Hercules, etc. ARE Harbor Freight... Harbor Freight has them all manufactured in the same plant as part of the good, better, best sales scheme, using different quality parts, adding or removing features, ALL the same, ALL owned by HF... IF you believe TH-cam.
Have checked out Langmuirs new hydrolic brake?
I have. It looks nice. Im trying not to spend that much on a brake right now. Id rather put it toward the XR. I just finished a video today on a new brake. Will probably upload next Saturday.
They are a little bit pricey. Looking forward to seeing the next video.
you did not run the roll up when you were doing the round stock...
Watch the machinery acutions I recently saw a couple of stomp sheers, a manual brake and hydraulic brake all for less than the Harbor Freight crap
part of the bearing assembly on those huge generators in places like hover dam. use wood bushings not steel. as steel will rust but the wet wood lasts many decades before even thinking about calling them worn.
so do-not dismiss wood so quickly.
Im guessing you were commenting a different video. Never knew about the wood bearings though.
Mine has two handles and machine needs mounted on something solid
I have one of these 3 in 1 break. I only do very thin. Have had no issues. For your use, I would have returned too.
I'd be so limited with that thing that it wouldn't be worth the money. If you push that thing you'll break the gears or the brake fingers. I bend most things in my 20 ton press, if I need to do any more than that I'd watch for some old iron on Marketplace.
I returned it. Not going to work for what i need. I did just order something in place of it so stay tuned.
Good review. There are some comments here with great recommendations.
Harbor freight: we'll sell you this SHEET METAL 3 in 1 tool.
The commenters: piece of junk wont even bent half inch plate steel!
Just to be clear. Im not saying its a bad tool. Im pushing the limits to see if it can do more. Im sure for sheet metal and recommended ga steel it works fine as some commenters mentioned.
@@SpicerDesignsLLC I'm sure it's not the best but it's also not a $10,000 tool. I was referring to some of the guys in here complaining it wouldn't bend this or that when it's clearly for sheet metal.
@@aaadamt964 right. I agree with you. I just wanted to see if it could do heavier ga before i spend the money. It shouldnt be labeled as junk because its cant perform beyond its limits like seen in the comments. Its not a bad tool for the price.
@SpicerDesignsLLC for sure. Some of their stuff gets a bad rep because it doesn't perform like a commercial/ industrial piece of equipment that costs 10× more money. This thing is $600 or so. An industrial one would be 8-10k. Maybe more. People complain about stuff like the blasting cabinet or 20t press too. Of course they're not perfectly square or the tolerances aren't perfect but we have 3 options basically. 1, spend thousands of dollars on a professional one. 2, deal with or modify the few hundred dollar one that works good enough. 3, make do without or pay someone else to do it.
Can you heat the metal with a torch to bend?
I could but that works better for heavier gauge. It warps the thinner stuff.
I dont understand People like the Swag off fingerbrake. Its all made off mild steel so its not Gonna last. Before knives bend orr brake. And they are slow!! A like you machine beter than.( Only The pressBrake part)Nice upgrade for you shop. Iff you looking for a pro press Brake i recomend Ramsey laser and brakes. They have really Nice price for the kwaltie and service they offer. I think you can order diy sets for you machine to. the rulle is sheetthiknesx6 that how you calculate the opening for the v in your diy. 1mm sheet you need a minimum 6mm opening in you v diy
Thanks for the info. I have another brake on the way that should work out better for me. Ill have that video coming up. I agree with you on the swag. It seems to robust for what im doing. Not very wide either.
Do a drop test!!!! 5’, 10’, and 15’🤣
Wow! For that price i think u can find something more capable, maybe not 3 in oneable but capable or capeable....cakeable
Haha. I agree. I returned the 3in1 already. I have a brake in mind. Thats what i really need.
Who needs roid rage when you can have Redbull rage lol!
Hah! Damn straight
I wouldn't buy that. For the brake go to swag offroad. For the shear, find a used foot shear. Slip rolls are reasonably easy to build, and also fairly inexpensive used.
I was sharing a washer in half and it literally broke the whole side plate on the left side
Ya i dont think the shear is worth a crap even on 20 ga
@@SpicerDesignsLLC yeah man I'll post a video of mine tomorrow on my page and you can see it I just heard a pop noise and this whole side plate broke in half
Yeah bro I'm a couple days late on that video it's up and running now you're more than welcome to download that video and chop it up take my voice out of it if you decide to do some kind of update video on that exact machine just to give people fair warning about this sheer that if you don't bolt it down on all four bolt holes that you got a good chance of breaking it apparently or if you try to cut something that's too big I don't know
Langmuirsystems titan 25t cnc press brake.
I am interested in that brake. It looks pretty nice. Especially for doing volume.
I want to thank you for me not wasting my money on this piece of garbage. I've considered it a couple times.
You could have put it up on the crate to work on. 🤷🏼♂️
That would have ended badly. Its like 3/8 plywood with brad nails.
Lol 300lbs on top of the crate lid? Yeah, that’s just begging for trouble.
Better off just building your own brake. Not all that complex, & certainly doable WELL under $600. Just sayin'...
Too small for me. Even sticking to.032 AL this wouldn't meet my needs.
I just picked up a knew one today. Ill have that video out in a week or so. Should work perfect
The math doesn’t add up: 128 kg = 282 lbs, regardless of what the box might say.
Its with the crate.
I ll sell mine it s on a 3/16 roll around stand 2x4 heavy metal stand milton fla 850 324 1283 paid over 500. Stand worth over 200. Have tractor can load on a trailer sell all works fine on sheet metal18 20 guage car body parts getting to old old to use make offer over over 450. Come I help load
Wrong choice of equipment for your declared material use. Hydraulic press with press brake attachment. MUCHO BETTER. You will destroy that POS in short order doing that kind of heavy work.
I already took it back.
Heating it up with a torch would help make it last.
Good review but it’s not for me.
Me either. I took it back
You bought the wrong brake buddy. That piece of crap don’t work for shit. Got one and return it. Went and buy a 48’ Baileigh brake and a 52’ Pexto sheer.
@@tombrady9385 i returned that brake. I posted another video with a new brake. Its pretty nice.
Chinese math is a bit off 😂 128 kg is = 282 lb
I think the KG was the actual unit and the 321 included the crate.