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Yeah, I feel like your old review really showed how flawed as a critic you were back then, but I think you’ve grown and improved a lot. No offence, but in your old review how the hell did you think this was set in our universe in the future?😂
So personally I think Jim’s appearance is genius and really nice and simple. He’s the only one that seems to wear clothes that would fit in a futuristic setting unlike everyone else wearing 18ty century garb. However by the end of the movie he wears a stunning outfit of someone who has chosen to embrace the world around him instead of closing himself off to it. Also the fact that his color scheme goes from black to brown to white to show his growth and maturity throughout the film is a nice touch.
Tbh i do love the style of sci fi in Medival setting. It feels bit more "new" funny enough when its ment to look old. But I am bias and love when sci fy and fantasy meet. Either this style, or wizards and dragons fighting humans in power armor and robots
What I particularly love about this choice is that even after some of his growth and he's out of his black coat, once he believes he's responsible for Mr. Arrow's death he regresses back into his old self, coat and all
Another Fun Fact: Animator Glen Keane drew from real life inspiration when animating Silver's "You've got the makings of greatness in you" speech to Jim. In his words, "I was seventeen years old and I had been fighting for a starting position on the football team as a halfback. And there was another player who was competing for the same position and he was a heck of a lot bigger and the head coach's favorite guy. I worked really hard and I got the starting position on this game and I was very proud of it. The game started and I played three plays and got the ball once. Then the head coach took me out and put the other guy in for the rest of the game. I never played again and I was crushed. As a seventeen-year-old, that's your life. You want your chance to shine. I had it but the coach took it away. "Afterwards in the parking lot, the assistant coach, Mickey Ryan, a great guy who spoke with his heart and always had a twinkle in his eye, put his hand on my shoulder and said, 'Glen, you're gonna do great things. You're gonna get that starting position. That wasn't right what happened.' And I could see that he really cared. There were tears in his eyes and I started to cry too. I lived that scene with Jim and Silver on the boat when Silver encourages Jim after a big setback. It was one of those things where you try to animate what you lived through and hope you can even get close to it."
And it's sung by the lead singer of the GooGoo Dolls!! It's such a banger!! And CAN we talk about LJS's character development? At first he did not give a shit about Jim except for the treasure he was looking for, but in the climax, he COMPLETELY disregards the treasure and realizes Jim is more important than a stinking treasure chest.
Not enough words to describe this masterpiece. I love that Jim pulls a mentor out of silver, and in return, silver pulls a young man out of a delinquent. Everyone needs that kind of mentor: to pull you out of your bullcrap and remind you to keep your head in the game.
I don't know about anyone else, but Mr Arrow's death was always terrifying for me as a child. The horror of helplessly floating off into the unending void of space is something that did, and continues to freak me out now
4:29 There’s speculation that Sarah Hawkins actually had Jim when she was in her teens, hence why she not only looks so young even when Jim’s a Teen, but also why things ultimately fell apart with Jim’s dad.
I thought it had more to do with him putting career above family. He wanted to go on what seemed a very long trip and most likely Sarah was against it, because of the chance of him not coming back. A reckless action for a young father, leaving his wife and child behind. But the beauty of this backstory is they show enough to give you an idea, but not the fine details. So we can fill in the blanks for ourselves, making it relatable to a wider range of audience. Maybe he died. Maybe he abandoned them, never having the intention of coming back. Who knows, maybe Flint was still alive back then and Jim's father had a bad encounter with the guy. We don't really know, and we don't have to. It's enough to understand Jim's dad issues.
This and Atlantis are under appreciated gems from Disney. I wish we had sequels to each, as there were plans, but they were unsuccessful at the box office
Atlantis did get a sequel, but the animation quality was diminished. I think it was directed to video. As for story and voice acting quality, I don't know, have not watched it.
@@UnrelatedAntonym That's because the sequel was just a number of hastily slapped together episodes for a failed TV project. So everything about the quality was diminished.
I will never say no to watching any of those 3. Titan AE for me was peak young boy story. Action, mystery, fear and courage. Sure it is a rather predictable story once it got going but it is amazing nonetheless. The intro with the drege showing up and just straight up blowing the earth to pieces and likely killing millions in the process. Like on the surface its an "oh %^&@" moment, the smaller details of the shuttles being attacked by the stingers or being caught by the remains of earth flinging around. One of the best things I think Titan AE did was make space feel like space. The drege are pure energy, completely inorganic and alien, the gaol are humanoid but still alien feeling. Humans aren't weak and can still hold our own. The 3d for the space scene and space ships still hold up to this day in my mind
B.E.N. works for me because he's supposed to be crazy. He's literally lost his mind so him being sporadic and goofy makes sense, especially since they manage to sprinkle in hints that he was part of the original pirate crew. Once he's got his memory core back, he straightens up and chills out a good bit.
exactly he is probably few hundred years on the planet, few decades on the island...he behaves exactly how a lonely person living in a big city behaves and that is a child friendly level that is a good entry for children to know how dangerous isolation is...very realistic...and with the space edition to getting the core memory back it is a hope in recovery that is grounded in kids brains while watching...actually very smart and considerate...
Amelia was cool: professional but wasn't above being jovial; tough and skilled fighter but preferred to fight alongside allies; willing to left behind/sacrificed when injured/captured but thankful for her rescue. She and Dilbert had good chemistry ... a sequel following her 3 daughters and 1 son on treasure adventures would've made a nice Direct-to-DVD Movie or even a TV Series.
People keep saying disney screwed the marketing but I remember it advertised everywhere. They had collectable cards with Kelloggs and McDonalds had a run of toys which were all pieces of BEN.
Another Fun Fact: A sequel was planned with Willem Dafoe set to voice the villainous Ironbeard, but it was cancelled based on this movie's failure at the box office.
Disney hadn’t invested the time or money necessary for making a good sequel up to that point. Today, the Disney sequels are largely just straight to video bargain bin trash. I can’t imagine a universe where Treasure Planet spawns the first GOOD Disney sequel, regardless of how popular it was at the box office.
I love Jim and Silver's relationship in this movie, how Silver starts as a villain before forming a real bond with Jim, and eventually choosing to save Jim over the treasure.
I really like how that’s Jim’s character arc, and how he doesn’t have a love interest (the setting and source material would mean a lot of creative liberty for that though)
One thing that Doug forgot to mention is about the horrible death of Scroop. He was literaly sent to space to die. PS: Honestly I feel bad for Mr Arrow's death. He was a competent officer and took his job seriously. He didn't deserve to die
@@avosmash2121 Hurts more in the movie because he's actually rewritten to be far more competent as a first mate. In the original book, he was a useless drunkard that John got rid off fairly easily by secretly getting him drunk.
Treasure Planet is one of those movies that hit a special place for me as a kid and has meant a lot to me growing up. So it’s hard for me to honestly critique it.
@@KeybladeMasterAndy DUN! My siblings and I found that test clip on the Treasure Planet DVD so funny (mainly because of how much that segment repeats), that it's kind of become a meme among us.
My problem with it was, it was _too Treasure Island in space._ Or maybe 'just' is a more appropriate word, _just a Treasure Island in space._ Almost story by story, character by character, same as the old Treasure Island movie I watched when I was a kid (I used to watch the 1950 one. no, I'm not that old). So, I didn't see any point of this movie. It's a good homage, sure. But just that, director's love letter to the old one.
@@andrewyp6724 Maybe they wanted to make a sci-fi film but was couldn't think of an original story??? So they combined it with Treasure Island. Compared to Pixar and anime, Disney is not very good at original stories most of the time and just focus on adaptations.
John Silver's animator was Glen Keane. Ratigan Marahute Ariel Beast (Aladdin, but not as impressive as the rest haha) Pocahontas Tarzan Rapunzel (despite CG) Which is why when people say "Rapunzel's hair couldn't have been done in hand-drawn..." I roll my eyes back into my head. Glen Effing Keane could've done Rapunzel's hair BETTER in hand-drawn than it was in CG.
Long John Silver's line to Jim to cheer him: "Lad, you've got the MAKINGS OF GREATNESS in ya." Seriously, every child has to hear that at least once growing up!
Okay, ultimate, cinematic, "rebellious teen" of 1977? That would be either Sam Freeman from Ron Howard's Grand Theft Auto or Alan Strang from Sidney Lumet's Equus. 1985? John. Bender. 1997? Sandy Carver. Y'know, the amateur explosives aficionado from The Ice Storm?
@@Volvagia1927 now there's a movie I wanna see. Grand Theft Auto. Not only does it use a really cool name, but it's a Ron Howard movie and uses the same movie poster style that's used for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and American Graffiti.
While the setting can certainly cause some whiplash and B.E.N. is a bit annoying, the characters and storytelling are so good that I don't care. John Silver is straight up one of the best Disney characters ever, and his relationship with Jim is so well done.
Yeah B.E.N. is kind of annoying; it’s like Martin Short’s Jerry Lewis impression not given a leash. But I’ve seen more annoying comic relief from Disney and other companies
Yeah, even as a kid I thought B.E.N got too much screen time lol he was the part I was least looking forward to in the final third of the film. It’s like they had to shoehorn in a comic relief character because “kid’s movie”, but like, Morph was right there. He was already pretty funny just on his own and WAY more likable than B.E.N.
@@LucyLioness100that's kind of how I feel about Martin Short in basically everything except The Three Amigos, when he's at his most comparatively restrained.
yeah as a kid my attention span couldn't handle B.E.N. it really sucked the momentum out of the movie for me. it picks back up when they get back to the story & i don't think it's as awful as hunchback's gargoyles, but it's still not great.
This movie worked for me when I was younger and still holds a special place. In 2002 I was a 17 year old kid, mentally preparing myself to leave on my own adventure when I joined the marines in a year. I was a rebellious asshole raised by a single mother in a small town in no where ny. I don't know if I was the target demographic or just some one who got pulled in. But I felt this movie
With all due respect, here's my take on the setup for the ending climax of the movie, and why I think it's actually pretty darn interesting. The planet itself, like the entire darn planet, is one big machine, all of the foliage is stuff like moss and fungus, that would grow on a giant machine with age, and a portal that can seemingly go to anywhere in the known universe, including to its own very core. I love the idea that Flynt has used this portal to "go around the universe, stealing treasure" while also adding to his own legend, because him "vanishing without a trace" is him slipping back through the portal, before storing all of his ill-gotten gains at/as the "planet's core", with a booby trap to essentially take it with him to the grave. Did Flynt build this planet/device? Seems a bit advanced for a pirate captain, no matter how clever. Maybe it was some kind of ancient forerunner/precursor device, but then was it simply created as some form of galatic travel hub, or something else?
exactly! it is a great concept and the dude from this channel is so narrow sited for a common person let alone movie critic to not see and acknowledge it
In my opinion, this movie is better than the book. Steampunk/sci-fi elements aside, this is my favourite version of John Silver. We could still see he's a villain and his quest to find the treasure is still there, but his soft moments with Jim make his redemption far more believable and showcase him as a phenomenal antivillain.
Yeah, while I still prefer the book over the film (Treasure Island is my all time favorite book), I have to say John Silver was a bit more ruthless in the book. However, he still did care for Jim, while keeping his pirate side. John is supposed to be this cruel pirate who just cares about himself and his wealth, yet in the book those two things are challenged once he starts caring for Jim. Granted, he doesn't give Jim a hug, but he does keep him from getting killed and protects him at the risk of getting himself killed. I just wish he had a better moment of goodbye with Jim at the end of the book, a bit more similar to what we got in the movie.
The sad thing is that Musker and Clements had a whole franchise envisioned. They had already come up with an outline for a sequel, with a villain called Ironbeard voiced by Willem Dafoe. But unfortunately, Disney was trying to kill 2D animation, so they screwed the duo over and sabotaged Treasure Planet by releasing it against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, knowing it wouldn't stand a chance, and hoped that would convince the company to go full 3D, inspired by the enormous success of Shrek.
And considering they had this in the works since Little Mermaid or Aladdin, and they were basically forced to make Hercules as Jeffery Katzenberg dangled it over them til he left the company after acting like an ass during the promotional run of Lion King and not getting the promotion he thought he deserved.......
What words of wisdom shall ye deliver to us next, Prophet? Please say it's Critic coming out and saying Hercules is actually absolutely fucking amazing!?
Delbert's and Amelia's relationship is for me actually set up pretty much as soon as the two meet. Standard protocol for a captain welcoming a guest to me would be to be more formal and courteous, but she is all over him like she can't leave him alone. She's also always there at his shoulder, making supportive remarks and trusting him when he proves her equal in his own ways. She chuckles I would say cutely smiles when he takes the picture of the whales and though we dont see i imagine she has quite the smile when she compliments his knowledge and skill after saving them from the star imploding and he completely fumbles his words and we know he's looking at her. You dont confuse "astronomically" with "anatomically" without looking at something good on the eyes. Delbert helps Amelia be more open, having someone outside the chain of command being her equal. There is no restrictions, no official lines that can't be crossed without consequences etc. As they say, its lonely at the top. I suppose that could be why Amelia is the one that makes the first proper move by finally letting her heart do the talking rather than her head. So yeah, the signs were there if you read into them.
The reason Ben shows up as late as he does is because that’s when he shows up in the book (and every film adaptation of Treasure Island). And he’s a big personality, though in this film he’s a tad too much. Martin could’ve pulled back a bit and it would be much more bearable.
Funny enough, this was the movie that directors John Musker and Ron Clements wanted to make with Disney way earlier, but they said no and had them do Aladdin and Hercules instead. After those were huge hits, then they approved this movie.
Yeah they tried for nearly 10 years to get the film made, but Jeffrey Katzenberg kept saying no and assigned them to said films. After Katzenberg was ousted, Eisner did eventually let them make the film but way after the Renaissance magic had ended
in a way i'm kinda glad they did it later so they had more time to perfect the 3D elements. i'm sure it still would've looked good in the 90s of course, but i love the way it turned out
Considering the CGI in The Great Mouse Detective (the first film to combine th, and Musker and Clements first film) still holds up really well, I'm sure they'd have nailed the visuals whenever they were given the chance.
What people more likely dont know is IT DID GET A SEQUEL, but not as a movie. But in a form of a PC Video game that you can still obtain. And that game, is Treasure Planet: Battle at Procyon, which takes place 5 years after the events of the movie which continues with Jim becoming a naval officer and him climbing the ranks and becomes apart of a naval war.
I've seen a very compelling argument on TH-cam (Treasure planet, Disney's biggest mistake) that says this film was purposefully sabotaged by Disney. The reason Silver looks so good and the 3d backgrounds blend so well is because it used a new animation technique that Disney did not want to become the standard because it's expensive. Also the new 3d studio's did not yet have a union.
OR its just that audiences widely didn't care about Treasure Island in space a movie that has been done to death. Not everything has to be some conspiracy, it could just be that people didn't care about a 10,000 Treasure Island adaptation
@@lutherheggs451 He's actually not wrong. You can find plenty of evidence that suggests Disney were being assholes. You should look up the interviews with the director, writers and producers. They felt that evil eye from Disney. Director John Musker and Ron Clements, both of whom also produced the film with Roy Conli, from a screenplay written by Clements, Musker, and Rob Edwards. The story was conceived by the directors and the writing team of Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio. They had come to Disney multiple times to pitch the idea and Disney kept brushing them off, making them work on other projects. They'd come back again---same answer, and eventually Disney was getting pissy about it. There's a whole lot of fuckery that went down behind the scenes that affected the way Disney "advertised" the movie, which is in quotations because it was basically none at all. So hardly any butts got in the seats---because if you look at the statistics in home VHS and DVD sales, Treasure Planet did way more! People who went to see it told friends or family about it, word spread through word of mouth and the internet---and people just went and bought it. Watched it, loved it. Ta-da.
The treasure being hidden as the planets core imo is a great set piece. A literal treasure planet would have been too on the nose but this way the myth has some truth to it and the amount of treasure really does seem grand in scale without getting carried away.
Fun Fact: the ship Jim and the crew are traveling on to reach treasure planet is called R.L.S. Legacy which is a reference to Robert Louis Stevenson, the author of treasure island.
16:04 This blending you see is largely due to a technique Disney developed at the time called “Deep Canvas.” Originally designed for Tarzan’s vine surfing scenes, how it worked was to create a 3D model, then have traditional animators animate over it, first background, then the characters moving through it. This made the two styles of 3D and 2D animation blend more seamlessly. In this movie’s case, they modeled out the entire ship, every deck, corridor and chamber in deep canvass, so everytime it was on screen, it’s using that technology, and the results are breathtaking. It’s also one of the reasons Disney tried so hard to kill this movie. While Tarzan had, like 4 minutes of this type of animation, Treasure Planet uses it in half the movie, pretty much every time the ship is on screen. And Deep Canvas is *expensive.* So they were especially bitter towards this movie, not only for trying to be traditionally hand drawn, but also for using this expensive experimental technology, when full 3D is ‘cheaper.’
I'm not gonna beat around the bush, Disney's 2002 sci-fi action-adventure coming of age masterpiece Treasure Planet is my all time favourite film. I genuinely think it's perfect from start to finish. The mix of both hand-drawn 2D traditional animation and 3D computer animation is amazing and John Rzeznik of The Goo Goo Dolls' song I'm Still Here (Jim's Theme) is also my all time favourite song. I love this film so much, I can't get enough of it and I will forever convert everyone to this cult classic masterpiece.
While Lion King is my top choice always and forever, I still 100% agree that Treasure Planet was very underrated and that it's an amazing film in Disney's history. Whether they like it or not. I really resonated with Jim as a kid and even now as an adult I see a lot of myself in him. And like you said how you love showing this movie to everyone? Bro, I am there with you---I have shown many of my friends this film and they have come out loving it every single time.
yes! It is so complex and better in many ways than all the SF examples the commentator mentioned....it is so complete so deeply thought through as it was pitched the first time to Disney by the directors in 1985 together with Little Mermaid. It is the passion project of their lives and you can feel this in every second of the movie! The commentator in this video is very ignorant and inventing plot wholes that aren't there, the movie is quite opposite - very saturated...
I don't regret the cancellation of the sequel movie, all signs point to it being a direct-to-home-video release, but Treasure Planet actually did get a sequel in the form of a video game tie-in called "Treasure Planet: Battle at Procyon". It takes place five years after the movie, beginning right as Jim graduates from the Interstellar Academy as a Royal Navy officer. As crazy as this sounds, the game is a pretty in-depth (and at the high levels, quite challenging) naval combat simulator. A Disney movie tie-in game being a naval combat simulator sounds too crazy to exist, but it does.
A cool detail: There's a persistent shadow around Jim's eyes, signifying his depressed, self-conscious state of mind. After bonding with Silver and gaining more confidence in himself, the shadow briefly disappears, but then reappears after he's framed for the death of Mr. Arrow. The same applies to his coat, which he removes then puts back on in a similar vein. Two very good visual ways to convey Jim's emotional turmoil. Oh, and another cool detail: Jim is visible taller at the end of the film, showing that his time aboard the RLS Legacy (see what they did there) changed him not just physically but emotionally as well.
Another Fun Fact: When Jim and Dr. Doppler arrive at the space-port, they get directions from two characters using a ladder. These are caricatures of directors John Musker (at the top of the ladder) and Ron Clements (holding the bottom of the ladder).
They did the same thing in “Aladdin” when Prince Achmed goes to see Jasmine; the two older guys commenting about him being another suitor for Jasmine are based on Musker and Clements 😄 I didn’t know that till some years back
And they're seen again in Hercules where teen Herc is pulling the hay wagon, the stacked hay knocks two men from their scaffolding at the town entrance and they're left angrily dangling while Hercules calls back to them, "Oops, sorry guys!"
I would argue that Steampunk is a different thing entirely. Like Steampunk isn't meant to be sci-fi, it's meant to be technology that didn't really exist but could have realistically existed. Steam Punk is inspired by blue prints Leonardo Da Vinci drew but never actually built. And people have built working models based on his blue prints. Even though we have better technology now, it's not really practical but the prototypes were essentially only built as a proof of concept that his ideas could have worked. So steampunk isn't meant to be futuristic, it's meant to be like an alternate reality where Da Vinci focused more on his inventions rather than his paintings causing a shift in the development of technology that realistically could have actually happened. Wild Wild West is what I would call Steam Punk. Even Back to the Future 3 has some good steampunk but there the whole reason it exists is because Doc Brown literally has knowledge of the future and is only limited by what's available in the time period in order to build what he needs. This is not in any way realistic. This blending of the past and the future should not work but weirdly does. Firefly and Fallout are other great examples of this that weirdly blend the past with the future. In fact Fallout is weirdly set in present day some times has more advanced technology than we have right now and culture is weirdly stuck in the 1940's I always thought that Fallout was suppose to be an alternate time line where the reason for the weird blend of past and future is because media never advanced past when the bombs dropped but technology continued to develop. Which honestly still makes more sense in my head than the weird time line of events that actually happens in that universe.
He means more the actual appearance of the Genie’s design rather than that guy. Plus, after he does the intro, he disappears UNTIL after the halfway point, so you forget about that
@p0laris74yt8 I didn't forget anything. I addressed what was said about the movie not implementing Robin Williams until halfway through with the fact that his is the first voice we hear in the movie.
@@xaenr480 it would have been more funnier to me if the cardboard was taped to the back of his head and he was facing the Critic in the opposite direction in some of the shots. 😀
This movie has something media is lacking nowadays... FATHER FIGURES. Especially when it comes to sons as there quite a few boys, teens, and young men that didn't have a male figure to look up to. "Let it go" can speak more for the girls girls I'm still here can speak more for boys. Plus the animation and characters are amazing 👏
@@loopyshot3326 That's not what you're talking about, and it's disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise. You're spouting rage-baiting persecution complex talking points that another commenter already pointed out aren't actually reflected in reality.
I always thought that the actual planet looks gray and dull, and then I realized it's actually an artificial planet, and the only thing that can survive on it is fungal life
It took me a while to watch Treasure Planet on my own but I definitely noticed it being different and even there I say it more mature than any Disney animated movie I ever seen so I say that Treasure Planet is an underrated gem and deserves more attention.
Treasure Planet isn't steampunk, though. It's more like solarpunk. It relies more heavily on solar power (as you can see with the ships' sails and with Jim's skateboard thing) and not on steam. I think that's why it feels more like 2000 mixed with the future and less like the Victorian Age. Also, the clothing options are more in line with a pirate film, so it is mixing in some definite inspiration from the 1400s (maybe some other eras, as well). I tend to think that the movie is really set in an alternate timeline wherein humanity discovered solar power and space travel sooner, lending to a blending of styles. Not that the movie is without sin, but I truly think likening it to steampunk does a disservice to the film. It just isn't steampunk.
What I love about John Silver, is that he is by definition THE WHOLE PACKAGE, one can talk the flawless blend between 2D and 3D of the character, but that heavily compliments his CHARACTER in the story balancing the role of father-figure, friend, mentor and adversary (all pretty clashing hats) to Jim Hawking, Needless to say he is a multidimensional character in his writing as well as his design.
I've been trying to remember what that movie was called for almost 20 years. Thank you. The only reason I saw it in the first place is because it was part of a double-feature at a drive-in theater.
Oh yeah, i knew it. Treasure Planet. I don’t know why this movie bombed at the box office aside from releasing at the time CGI animated films rule the industry while hand drawn animated film struggle and release before we discovered the internet. This is a dream project from John Musker and Ron Clements that they wanted to do in a long time since the 80’s.
Disney basically wanted this movie to fail since Eisner was trying to kill the 2D department, and they put this movie against Harry Potter and Lord Of The Rings coming out at the same time, basically insuring it had no chance
@@gregthehedgehog0956 Yeah. Heavy competition from movies that gather more attention at the time. Even Eisner has The Santa Clause 2 at the same month as Treasure Planet. I watched it on VHS and i like it
Intentional sabotaging. A lot of time when a movie or game is mid production but some kind of higher up position changes hands (new director hired, new CEO hired, etc) that new person wants to set that project up for failure to shift focus on the projects they have planned. Oftentimes well written contracts or unions prevent these new people from just outright cancelling these projects, so instead they do things like pull funding, pull marketing support, transfer staff, give tighter deadlines to rush production, etc. In the case of Treasure Planet, because it was already so close to completion when Eisner was hired, he killed the movies marketing (trailers, posters, ads) and had it set to release with Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. So when given a choice between a movie no one had really heard about and 2 of the most anticipated movies of the decade, they chose HP and LOTR. And as an extra kick to the groin, because the box office was low, people judged the movie as bad without ever seeing it. People even nowadays do this, judging a movie based purely on how much it made in profit. So when the HP and LOTR fever cooled down and people realized a Disney movie released, word of mouth spread that it must have been a total bomb because it didn't make nearly as much money as the last Disney movie did (Lilo and Stitch). I myself got the DVD as a present and it's always been one of my top 10 if not top 5 favorite Disney flicks.
I’ve heard about the steampunk argument before, but I never thought that this movie had a steampunk style. I always thought that this movie was based in a universe where 18th century Earth came into contact with aliens at some point, hence the blending of alien technology and 18th century style. With the space ships based off of the sailing vessels of the time, using engines and using solar sails to power them. I actually enjoy the blending of sci-fi and the 18th century. 😊
I gotta say it’s refreshing to know Doug is still uploading reviews. I grew up on the internet watching his reviews. It’s kind of insane how many of his reviews cultured me since I lived a pretty sheltered life and didn’t get the opportunity to watch many of the movies and shows he talked about. Thanks for continuing to give us content despite everything and all this time ♥️
This is my one of my boyfriends favorite films and we watched it together for a date night a while back. After we finished, I could see why he loves this. The visuals are incredible, but what stuck out the most to me was the soundtrack. From the first time I heard "I'm Still Here (Jim's Theme)" I fell in love with the music that this film has. It sounded familiar to me, only for me to find out John Rzeznik of The Goo Goo Dolls wrote that song. Him and James Newton Howard, who did the music for The Hunger Games, and worked with Hans Zimmer on the first two Nolan Batman films did the music for this film and it is gorgeous. This movie will always hold a special place in my heart.
Treasure Planet is a CRIMINALLY underrated masterpiece, "I'm Still Here" is a theme song of my childhood, yes I am biased, yes I will die defending that movie, glad you have seen the light
Fun Fact: the head animator of Dr Doppler, Sergio Pablos, would go on to pitch the original story idea for Despicable Me and he wrote and directed Klaus. He is so good at character acting in his animation.
Not sure if it was mentioned. But the animators tested to see if robots and pirates can work together. Animators animated Captain Hook with a robotic arm to show that It can work.
BEN coming in when he did is reflective of the book’s pacing, when Jim finds the cheese obsessed survivor of Flint’s last visit to the island. It’s actually a plot point that he’s scattershot in his comedy because he’s literally missing part of his mind. As an adaptation it works remarkably well given the IN SPACE setting. The ship is called RLS Legacy, this being the legacy of Robert Louis Stevenson.
I am so glad that there are more people are appreciating this film and making videos about it because, growing up Treasure Planet was my LIFE (I still have the PS1 video game lol). It also meant a lot to me especially since I really related to Jim growing up. However, after reading the book in class during middle school, I can wholeheartedly say that I think this film is better then the book because, like what Dreamworks did with Prince of Egypt, it actually focuses on Jim and Silver's relationship by placing it at the heart of the film. I find the way their relationship is presented and paced to be far more realistic and a bit ahead of its time then I feel a lot of people give it credit for. Plus, another thing I love about this film are the BACKGROUNDS. A big problem that I have with a lot of modern sci-fi is that everthing looks too sleek and clean, but here the world feels REAL and LIVED IN. It kinda reminds me of the original Ratchet and Clank video game where the aesthetic it has a bit of a clunker-junker vibe (something that, like I mentioned earlier with modern sci-fi, seems have been forgotten). I will never get over the fact that Disney didn't give this film a franchise and let it bomb, because its a masterpiece in terms of storytelling. (I will continue to waste away and wait for the day it happens, even though it's highly unlikely...) Also, how dare you diss on the Goo Goo Dolls. This film introduced me to them.
Was I wrong about Treasure Planet? Me: Yes. Yes you were (more to come after finishing the review) EDIT: I have finished the review. Long rant incoming: Honestly, while I see his point, I personally disagree with Critic about the whole "looking cool" issue that he had with Jim's design and the solar surfing part. The solar surfing added to Jim's character since his mother, at the beginning of the film, mentioned that he built his first one at 8 years old. The way I see it, that shows the audience that Jim has a lot of untapped potential (and intelligence) that he was not utilizing due to the trauma from his father's absence. (Plus, there's also a deleted scene that shows him fixing the one we see him using in the movie. Check it out if you haven't) Regarding Jim's design, I still think it fits within the world as it allows Jim to stand out to show that he is truly an outcast. Really think about it, everyone else has a more traditional 18th/19th century look, but Jim is the only one who doesn't. So, once we get to the end, his design blends in better because it shows that he's found his place in the world. Jim's design is one of my all time favorites, not just in Disney history but also animation in general, so I might be a bit biased as well. I should also mention that characters wearing thay particular hairstyle (the curtain cut if I remember the name right) has been used on different characters in futuristic/fantasy styles and still fit just fine. Look at Future Trunks from Dragon Ball who is one of the most iconic anime characters with the same look (best character in the series too imho). I could say more but if I do I'll be here all day. 😂
Doug acknowledging how harsh he was in the Disneycember review from back then is the character development we all love too see. Such a underrated late 90s/early 2000s Disney classic
@@tinyj4520 That's certainly an interesting idea. Funnily enough there's a cover of I'm Still Here by this TH-cam singer Colm McGuinness, he's an Irish singer. He's also on Spotify
Ever since Pixar coming on the scene Disney started releasing the 2D movies against things they knew they wouldn’t do well against so they could provide reasoning to shareholders why they needed to stick to more easily made Pixar movies. For example take this movie. They released it in November 2002 after a James Bond and Harry Potter movie had come out. If you’d like another example they released The Princess and the Frog up against Avatar
21:28 I like Doug’s idea here! 👍 His idea of a “Treasure Planet” is basically like what we got in The Road To El Dorado, except if El Dorado was a whole planet! 😎
I love that you were willing to give this another shot. Disney really shafted it out of spite and jealousy, giving it next to NO attention in advertising. It sorta...came out of nowhere in a sense. As for the "rebellions teenager" thing... I get that can get old, but---it doesn't matter WHAT generation, WHAT year, WHAT culture---there's ALWAYS a rebellious teen. That's why it works and connects with others so well. They either ARE that character now, want to be that character, OR already were at one point. So I think we need to give that trope a bit of a pass, at least be easier on it. Also you hush! Lol, "I'm Still Here", is by far one of my favourite songs. A the risk of sounding cliche---honestly, this song really resonates with me. And it's still on multiple playlists of mine to this day. Also when it comes to what you expected for Treasure Planet itself, wanting the trees and whatever made of gold---that's... sorry, that's ridiculous. This is just treasure collected by a pirate over many years that he just set up booby traps for. You can't say that X and Y elements don't match and then expect this planet entirely made out of treasure like Midas rubbed his dick on it. Then you talked about how the planet wasn't anything bright or colourful or worth being the ending. But...it makes sense to hide treasure on a place that doesn't seem that appealing to go to. Don't ya think?
I feel like an actual teen movie that portrays teens realistically is less common than teen movies that portray teens as catty and obsessed with high school politics. Jim is a character I love because it's like all my internal angst and disconnect with others was portrayed in a more outward way and seeing the way someone is able to connect and encourage him, and especially that moment where Jim feels like he only screws up and blames himself after Arrow's death, and comes around to grow into a more confident and hopeful person
I love treasure planet The father and son relationship between Jim and silver The John rzeznik song I’m still here And the surfing scenes And silver is a pretty good villain The only thing I don’t like about this movie is the loud obnoxious robot he’s basically the gurgi or jar jar binks of the movie other than that I love this movie and I hate that it bombed and killed hand drawn movies because it’s a really good movie
This movie came out in the 200’s. Of course it’s gonna be filled to the brim with the 2000’s. Also the entire point of Jim’s look is so that it can gradually change overtime. He goes from his earlier look of black or dark colors in general to ditching the jacket and wearing more natural colors and at the end when he comes home he’s completely reformed and thus wears white and gold to represent that and the fact that he’s graduated.
Fun Fact: This movie took ten years to make, having had the longest production cycle of any movie in Disney's Post Renaissance Era, after it went through production hell, though the production mainly started after the release of Hercules.
Yup. Musker and Clements originally pitched this movie in 1985 and were hoping to make it after The Little Mermaid. But Disney kept screwing them over. The only reason it got made is because Roy Disney made sure of it. Meanwhile, Michael Eisner was trying to kill 2D animation.
In fairness towards the movie, some of the issues with the last third is more holdover from the source material than the movie writers being crappy. Remember, this /is/ an adaptation of 1883's Treasure Island, so it's gotta keep the structure of that plot. B.E.N. being a shitty comic relief introduced in the last act isn't the best decision, no, but Ben Gunn, the cheese obsessed hermit who lives on the island was just that in the book. Okay, he wasn'ta comic relief character, but that's a change I feel like Disney had to make so the robot wouldn't be even more forgettable. The treasure's backstory, likewise, is nothing special in the book. Flint just collected a metric fuckton of treasure, and stashed it on an island somewhere. That's it. It doesn't need a backstory beyond "Flint looted it and stashed it on a planet somewhere"
I don't think this really qualifies as steampunk. The historical parts kind of pre-date the age of steam. To adequately describe Bioshock we had to coin the term dieselpunk, so I guess to capture the feel of this movie we have to call it... sailpunk?
Dieselpunk was coined in 2001, long before Bioshock. This movie is closer to Clockpunk, advanced technology with the aesthetic of technology from the Renaissance era
About the Treasure Planet being boring-looking: I think that might've been at least in part intentional in order to contrast with what it was until that point. For the entire movie and for many characters, Treasure Planet is the stuff of legends, an amazing place, a goal to strive towards, something incredible. Then we get there and it's just… grey and dull greens. Mushrooms and moss. And you kinda realize that the only reason it was supposed to be amazing was… it had a lot of gold on it. Silver is about to learn the lesson that he's been wrong to place such high importance in the legend of Treasure Planet and I think the planet itself is sort of the first hint to that effect. You may argue that it's unappealing to look at and that shouldn't be the case in a movie no matter the themes, but since it also represents a low point and darkest hour for the good guys, I think it's also appropriate in that way.
It’s interesting at how many times Disney has revisited the story of Treasure Island. There was the 1950 live action version (which is very underrated), the Muppet Treasure Island from 1996 and then this version.
*Following close behind Hercules (at **25:22**):* *The Rescuers:* I thought you liked dark stories, why not me?! *Aristocats:* Don't you like me at all? What's wrong with being cute? *Home on the Range:* I have myself a fan base now too. How about you try me again! *A Bugs Life:* I deserve a second viewing too! I don't need Dreamworks' to prove I can stand on my own! *Aristocats:* Pixar, you too? *Home on the Range:* That's tough, man! *A Bugs Life:* I have unique side characters, an intimidating villain, and my animation is good for being Pixar's second movie, and a whole book series fleshing out the ants. *Hercules:* Well, how about it, Critic............ *Nostalgia Critic* Uhhhh........ (Tune in next time to find out)
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What are your thoughts on Treasure Planet? Still hold up?
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I really like it.
Sailing for buried treasure in space! & sailing back to the studio soon hopefully
It’s definitely underrated and one of my favorite Disney films
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Yeah, I feel like your old review really showed how flawed as a critic you were back then, but I think you’ve grown and improved a lot.
No offence, but in your old review how the hell did you think this was set in our universe in the future?😂
So personally I think Jim’s appearance is genius and really nice and simple. He’s the only one that seems to wear clothes that would fit in a futuristic setting unlike everyone else wearing 18ty century garb. However by the end of the movie he wears a stunning outfit of someone who has chosen to embrace the world around him instead of closing himself off to it. Also the fact that his color scheme goes from black to brown to white to show his growth and maturity throughout the film is a nice touch.
That's brilliant
Brilliant...brilliant
Tbh i do love the style of sci fi in Medival setting.
It feels bit more "new" funny enough when its ment to look old.
But I am bias and love when sci fy and fantasy meet. Either this style, or wizards and dragons fighting humans in power armor and robots
What I particularly love about this choice is that even after some of his growth and he's out of his black coat, once he believes he's responsible for Mr. Arrow's death he regresses back into his old self, coat and all
Thank you. Was about to comment about the colors.
Another Fun Fact: Animator Glen Keane drew from real life inspiration when animating Silver's "You've got the makings of greatness in you" speech to Jim. In his words, "I was seventeen years old and I had been fighting for a starting position on the football team as a halfback. And there was another player who was competing for the same position and he was a heck of a lot bigger and the head coach's favorite guy. I worked really hard and I got the starting position on this game and I was very proud of it. The game started and I played three plays and got the ball once. Then the head coach took me out and put the other guy in for the rest of the game. I never played again and I was crushed. As a seventeen-year-old, that's your life. You want your chance to shine. I had it but the coach took it away.
"Afterwards in the parking lot, the assistant coach, Mickey Ryan, a great guy who spoke with his heart and always had a twinkle in his eye, put his hand on my shoulder and said, 'Glen, you're gonna do great things. You're gonna get that starting position. That wasn't right what happened.' And I could see that he really cared. There were tears in his eyes and I started to cry too. I lived that scene with Jim and Silver on the boat when Silver encourages Jim after a big setback. It was one of those things where you try to animate what you lived through and hope you can even get close to it."
Thank you for this quote. I'm not crying, you are!
I think he succeeded.
“I’m Still Here” is one of the best underrated songs Disney has commissioned.
Hey at least “I’m Still Here” is on Spotify. “Always Know Where You Are” is my favorite and it’s not… for some reason- why isn’t it on SPOTIFY!?
@@alvaroperez2349 one of my favorite songs ever and I love the use of it in the trailer
And it's sung by the lead singer of the GooGoo Dolls!!
It's such a banger!!
And CAN we talk about LJS's character development?
At first he did not give a shit about Jim except for the treasure he was looking for, but in the climax, he COMPLETELY disregards the treasure and realizes Jim is more important than a stinking treasure chest.
This song is on my favorite's list. Love it!
@@alvaroperez2349 THANK YOU. I’m glad SOMEONE ELSE appreciates that masterpiece of a song.
Not enough words to describe this masterpiece. I love that Jim pulls a mentor out of silver, and in return, silver pulls a young man out of a delinquent. Everyone needs that kind of mentor: to pull you out of your bullcrap and remind you to keep your head in the game.
I don't know about anyone else, but Mr Arrow's death was always terrifying for me as a child. The horror of helplessly floating off into the unending void of space is something that did, and continues to freak me out now
I can't remember if this is true or not? But I think Mr. Arrow dies in the actual story of Treasure Island?
SAME. Haunts me to this day more than Mufasa or Bambi's mom actually. That voice actor better have gotten a raise!
He didn't float into space, he fell into a black hole and was crushed.
4:29 There’s speculation that Sarah Hawkins actually had Jim when she was in her teens, hence why she not only looks so young even when Jim’s a Teen, but also why things ultimately fell apart with Jim’s dad.
I thought it had more to do with him putting career above family. He wanted to go on what seemed a very long trip and most likely Sarah was against it, because of the chance of him not coming back. A reckless action for a young father, leaving his wife and child behind.
But the beauty of this backstory is they show enough to give you an idea, but not the fine details. So we can fill in the blanks for ourselves, making it relatable to a wider range of audience.
Maybe he died. Maybe he abandoned them, never having the intention of coming back. Who knows, maybe Flint was still alive back then and Jim's father had a bad encounter with the guy.
We don't really know, and we don't have to. It's enough to understand Jim's dad issues.
Part of me figured maybe he was drafted to fight in some war somewhere, but was tight-lipped about it to spare his family at least some of the pain.
This is pretty plausible fro a rural pirate-punk society.
She looks like a middle-aged or near-middle-aged woman to me, and Jim is only 15 or so.
This and Atlantis are under appreciated gems from Disney. I wish we had sequels to each, as there were plans, but they were unsuccessful at the box office
Atlantis did get a sequel, but the animation quality was diminished. I think it was directed to video. As for story and voice acting quality, I don't know, have not watched it.
@@UnrelatedAntonym That's because the sequel was just a number of hastily slapped together episodes for a failed TV project. So everything about the quality was diminished.
@@UnrelatedAntonymthe antlatis sequel was more of a 3 episode tv show that they squished together into a move rather than an actual sequel
@@UnrelatedAntonym Just like most other Direct-to-video Disney sequels?
I’m on the kingdom hearts world team for both
This movie, "Atlantis: the Lost Empire", and Don Bluth's "Titan A.E." is the Holy Trinity of 2000's animated Sci-fi for me.
Oh my god, thank you so much for saying this, brother!
I will admit that Titan A.E. probably is the least of all of these mentioned, but still better than any Marvel movie from the last decade.
I will never say no to watching any of those 3. Titan AE for me was peak young boy story. Action, mystery, fear and courage. Sure it is a rather predictable story once it got going but it is amazing nonetheless. The intro with the drege showing up and just straight up blowing the earth to pieces and likely killing millions in the process. Like on the surface its an "oh %^&@" moment, the smaller details of the shuttles being attacked by the stingers or being caught by the remains of earth flinging around. One of the best things I think Titan AE did was make space feel like space. The drege are pure energy, completely inorganic and alien, the gaol are humanoid but still alien feeling. Humans aren't weak and can still hold our own. The 3d for the space scene and space ships still hold up to this day in my mind
Heavy Metal 2000 fits in with this 2000s animation style too.
Yeeeesssss
B.E.N. works for me because he's supposed to be crazy. He's literally lost his mind so him being sporadic and goofy makes sense, especially since they manage to sprinkle in hints that he was part of the original pirate crew. Once he's got his memory core back, he straightens up and chills out a good bit.
exactly he is probably few hundred years on the planet, few decades on the island...he behaves exactly how a lonely person living in a big city behaves and that is a child friendly level that is a good entry for children to know how dangerous isolation is...very realistic...and with the space edition to getting the core memory back it is a hope in recovery that is grounded in kids brains while watching...actually very smart and considerate...
Amelia was cool: professional but wasn't above being jovial; tough and skilled fighter but preferred to fight alongside allies; willing to left behind/sacrificed when injured/captured but thankful for her rescue. She and Dilbert had good chemistry ... a sequel following her 3 daughters and 1 son on treasure adventures would've made a nice Direct-to-DVD Movie or even a TV Series.
I’m convinced that if Disney didn’t screw with this Movie’s marketing, Treasure Planet would’ve been one of Disney’s most beloved movies.
Also, it was up against Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, that was practically a suicide mission
Disney basically intentionally half-assed the marketing cause they wanted it to fail as they thought 2-D animation was dead.
probably
It's maybe no beauty and the beast but still a good disney movie.
Also something that surely would look amazing on the big screen
People keep saying disney screwed the marketing but I remember it advertised everywhere. They had collectable cards with Kelloggs and McDonalds had a run of toys which were all pieces of BEN.
Another Fun Fact: A sequel was planned with Willem Dafoe set to voice the villainous Ironbeard, but it was cancelled based on this movie's failure at the box office.
I would pay thousands to go to the universe where that movie exists.
Now that would’ve been awesome! Too bad we never got to see that
You can’t go wrong with Willem Defoe voicing an animated villain, because he has one HELL of a cool voice (like Alan Rickman did).
Disney hadn’t invested the time or money necessary for making a good sequel up to that point. Today, the Disney sequels are largely just straight to video bargain bin trash. I can’t imagine a universe where Treasure Planet spawns the first GOOD Disney sequel, regardless of how popular it was at the box office.
might have been for the best. : (
I love Jim and Silver's relationship in this movie, how Silver starts as a villain before forming a real bond with Jim, and eventually choosing to save Jim over the treasure.
Agreed. One of the best parts of the movie.
@@watershipup7101 it's so good!
I really like how that’s Jim’s character arc, and how he doesn’t have a love interest (the setting and source material would mean a lot of creative liberty for that though)
You don't see anything like that in Disneys films these days. That's part of what makes this one so unique.
That definitely was one of the best parts of the film. Plus the actors pout their souls into the lines
One thing that Doug forgot to mention is about the horrible death of Scroop. He was literaly sent to space to die.
PS: Honestly I feel bad for Mr Arrow's death. He was a competent officer and took his job seriously. He didn't deserve to die
Well that's all in the original novel's plot too.
Scoop blasted off again. I went there
Depending on how far Scroop got, he might have been vaporized when Treasure Planet blew up.
@@avosmash2121 I was just about to say that. LOL!
@@avosmash2121 Hurts more in the movie because he's actually rewritten to be far more competent as a first mate.
In the original book, he was a useless drunkard that John got rid off fairly easily by secretly getting him drunk.
Treasure Planet is one of those movies that hit a special place for me as a kid and has meant a lot to me growing up. So it’s hard for me to honestly critique it.
That’s me with Atlantis.
Fun Fact: did you know during the production testing the robotic arm of John Silver they used Captain hook's animation from Peter pan as a Test
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I saw that clip! It was super cool.
Yeah, that was a cool way to test stuff out ^^
"You will go ashore, pick up Tinker Bell, and bring her to me."
@@KeybladeMasterAndy DUN!
My siblings and I found that test clip on the Treasure Planet DVD so funny (mainly because of how much that segment repeats), that it's kind of become a meme among us.
People can say what they will about "Treasure Planet" but it's a Disney film that I truly love! It's a fun mix of Science Fiction and pirates.
@@TheCommenterDragon True, There aren't too many Sci-fi movies with pirates in it.
I'm with you completely on this.
@@theponyofglory8545 There's a 107 facts video on Treasure Planet.
My problem with it was, it was _too Treasure Island in space._ Or maybe 'just' is a more appropriate word, _just a Treasure Island in space._ Almost story by story, character by character, same as the old Treasure Island movie I watched when I was a kid (I used to watch the 1950 one. no, I'm not that old).
So, I didn't see any point of this movie. It's a good homage, sure. But just that, director's love letter to the old one.
@@andrewyp6724 Maybe they wanted to make a sci-fi film but was couldn't think of an original story??? So they combined it with Treasure Island.
Compared to Pixar and anime, Disney is not very good at original stories most of the time and just focus on adaptations.
John Silver's animator was Glen Keane.
Ratigan
Marahute
Ariel
Beast
(Aladdin, but not as impressive as the rest haha)
Pocahontas
Tarzan
Rapunzel (despite CG)
Which is why when people say "Rapunzel's hair couldn't have been done in hand-drawn..." I roll my eyes back into my head.
Glen Effing Keane could've done Rapunzel's hair BETTER in hand-drawn than it was in CG.
He also did the bear in The Fox and the Hound, as well as Fagen, Sykes, Jenny, and Georgette in Oliver and Company.
They also haven't seen the TV show.
He started as early as “The Rescuers”, helping animate Penny.
And his father did the comic strip "The Family Circus."
If I remember the story correctly, because Tangled's production took so long, it STARTED as 2D before Disney told them to make it 3D or else.
Long John Silver's line to Jim to cheer him:
"Lad, you've got the MAKINGS OF GREATNESS in ya."
Seriously, every child has to hear that at least once growing up!
Luke Skywalker = 70's rebellious teen
Marty McFly = 80's rebellious teen
Jack Dawson = 90's rebellious teen
All Is Rebellious Teen
Okay, ultimate, cinematic, "rebellious teen" of 1977? That would be either Sam Freeman from Ron Howard's Grand Theft Auto or Alan Strang from Sidney Lumet's Equus.
1985? John. Bender.
1997? Sandy Carver. Y'know, the amateur explosives aficionado from The Ice Storm?
Marty, Luke, Jack weren't that rebellious.
@@suarezguy but Luke joined the rebellion
@@Volvagia1927 now there's a movie I wanna see. Grand Theft Auto. Not only does it use a really cool name, but it's a Ron Howard movie and uses the same movie poster style that's used for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and American Graffiti.
@@RomrotMechanikos LOL fair point. But he wasn't rebellious to his family members.
Another Fun Fact: The name of the ship, "R.L.S. Legacy", is a reference to the book's (Treasure Island) author, Robert Louis Stevenson.
@@koneheadcokehead4981 That is a fun fact! And in-universe the “R.L.S.” stands for “Royal Light Ship.”
While the setting can certainly cause some whiplash and B.E.N. is a bit annoying, the characters and storytelling are so good that I don't care. John Silver is straight up one of the best Disney characters ever, and his relationship with Jim is so well done.
Yeah B.E.N. is kind of annoying; it’s like Martin Short’s Jerry Lewis impression not given a leash. But I’ve seen more annoying comic relief from Disney and other companies
Yeah, even as a kid I thought B.E.N got too much screen time lol he was the part I was least looking forward to in the final third of the film. It’s like they had to shoehorn in a comic relief character because “kid’s movie”, but like, Morph was right there. He was already pretty funny just on his own and WAY more likable than B.E.N.
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@@LucyLioness100that's kind of how I feel about Martin Short in basically everything except The Three Amigos, when he's at his most comparatively restrained.
yeah as a kid my attention span couldn't handle B.E.N. it really sucked the momentum out of the movie for me. it picks back up when they get back to the story & i don't think it's as awful as hunchback's gargoyles, but it's still not great.
The creation of John Silver using CGI and 2D is beautiful and masterfully animated. It's one of the reasons he's one of my favorite Disney characters
This movie worked for me when I was younger and still holds a special place. In 2002 I was a 17 year old kid, mentally preparing myself to leave on my own adventure when I joined the marines in a year. I was a rebellious asshole raised by a single mother in a small town in no where ny. I don't know if I was the target demographic or just some one who got pulled in. But I felt this movie
With all due respect, here's my take on the setup for the ending climax of the movie, and why I think it's actually pretty darn interesting.
The planet itself, like the entire darn planet, is one big machine, all of the foliage is stuff like moss and fungus, that would grow on a giant machine with age, and a portal that can seemingly go to anywhere in the known universe, including to its own very core. I love the idea that Flynt has used this portal to "go around the universe, stealing treasure" while also adding to his own legend, because him "vanishing without a trace" is him slipping back through the portal, before storing all of his ill-gotten gains at/as the "planet's core", with a booby trap to essentially take it with him to the grave.
Did Flynt build this planet/device? Seems a bit advanced for a pirate captain, no matter how clever. Maybe it was some kind of ancient forerunner/precursor device, but then was it simply created as some form of galatic travel hub, or something else?
exactly! it is a great concept and the dude from this channel is so narrow sited for a common person let alone movie critic to not see and acknowledge it
In my opinion, this movie is better than the book. Steampunk/sci-fi elements aside, this is my favourite version of John Silver. We could still see he's a villain and his quest to find the treasure is still there, but his soft moments with Jim make his redemption far more believable and showcase him as a phenomenal antivillain.
Yeah, while I still prefer the book over the film (Treasure Island is my all time favorite book), I have to say John Silver was a bit more ruthless in the book. However, he still did care for Jim, while keeping his pirate side. John is supposed to be this cruel pirate who just cares about himself and his wealth, yet in the book those two things are challenged once he starts caring for Jim. Granted, he doesn't give Jim a hug, but he does keep him from getting killed and protects him at the risk of getting himself killed. I just wish he had a better moment of goodbye with Jim at the end of the book, a bit more similar to what we got in the movie.
The sad thing is that Musker and Clements had a whole franchise envisioned. They had already come up with an outline for a sequel, with a villain called Ironbeard voiced by Willem Dafoe. But unfortunately, Disney was trying to kill 2D animation, so they screwed the duo over and sabotaged Treasure Planet by releasing it against Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, knowing it wouldn't stand a chance, and hoped that would convince the company to go full 3D, inspired by the enormous success of Shrek.
Exactly Disney left this movie to die
And considering they had this in the works since Little Mermaid or Aladdin, and they were basically forced to make Hercules as Jeffery Katzenberg dangled it over them til he left the company after acting like an ass during the promotional run of Lion King and not getting the promotion he thought he deserved.......
Pain
Couldn't even give us scraps with a lower budget, saturday morning cartoon!
@@vetarlittorf1807 that’s sadder than any potential deaths in this movie. 😢
The whole video I was thinking "Oh sure, you're giving Treasure Planet another chance but not Hercules?"
And then the ending happened.
Ohai Shady
what sap Shady my man,
i love both this movie and Hercules
My man.
Is he gonna do Hercules nex time?
What words of wisdom shall ye deliver to us next, Prophet? Please say it's Critic coming out and saying Hercules is actually absolutely fucking amazing!?
Delbert's and Amelia's relationship is for me actually set up pretty much as soon as the two meet. Standard protocol for a captain welcoming a guest to me would be to be more formal and courteous, but she is all over him like she can't leave him alone. She's also always there at his shoulder, making supportive remarks and trusting him when he proves her equal in his own ways. She chuckles I would say cutely smiles when he takes the picture of the whales and though we dont see i imagine she has quite the smile when she compliments his knowledge and skill after saving them from the star imploding and he completely fumbles his words and we know he's looking at her. You dont confuse "astronomically" with "anatomically" without looking at something good on the eyes.
Delbert helps Amelia be more open, having someone outside the chain of command being her equal. There is no restrictions, no official lines that can't be crossed without consequences etc. As they say, its lonely at the top. I suppose that could be why Amelia is the one that makes the first proper move by finally letting her heart do the talking rather than her head. So yeah, the signs were there if you read into them.
Also Amelia thinks she will die and is significantly less restrained to show the feeling of being enamored 👍
The reason Ben shows up as late as he does is because that’s when he shows up in the book (and every film adaptation of Treasure Island). And he’s a big personality, though in this film he’s a tad too much. Martin could’ve pulled back a bit and it would be much more bearable.
Funny enough, this was the movie that directors John Musker and Ron Clements wanted to make with Disney way earlier, but they said no and had them do Aladdin and Hercules instead. After those were huge hits, then they approved this movie.
Yeah they tried for nearly 10 years to get the film made, but Jeffrey Katzenberg kept saying no and assigned them to said films. After Katzenberg was ousted, Eisner did eventually let them make the film but way after the Renaissance magic had ended
in a way i'm kinda glad they did it later so they had more time to perfect the 3D elements. i'm sure it still would've looked good in the 90s of course, but i love the way it turned out
Considering the CGI in The Great Mouse Detective (the first film to combine th, and Musker and Clements first film) still holds up really well, I'm sure they'd have nailed the visuals whenever they were given the chance.
What people more likely dont know is IT DID GET A SEQUEL, but not as a movie. But in a form of a PC Video game that you can still obtain. And that game, is Treasure Planet: Battle at Procyon, which takes place 5 years after the events of the movie which continues with Jim becoming a naval officer and him climbing the ranks and becomes apart of a naval war.
Woah, that’s pretty cool! I’ll have to check that out.
I had a game for PS2 also!
@@M.TTT. that i did know and it was basically the movie, i think it was on PS1 as well
Just looked it up: Available on Steam. Very 2002. Apparently plays fine on modern Windows.
@@crushermach3263 its crazy to see a game like that still buyable
I've seen a very compelling argument on TH-cam (Treasure planet, Disney's biggest mistake) that says this film was purposefully sabotaged by Disney. The reason Silver looks so good and the 3d backgrounds blend so well is because it used a new animation technique that Disney did not want to become the standard because it's expensive. Also the new 3d studio's did not yet have a union.
OR its just that audiences widely didn't care about Treasure Island in space a movie that has been done to death. Not everything has to be some conspiracy, it could just be that people didn't care about a 10,000 Treasure Island adaptation
@@lutherheggs451 The video does a better job arguing the point then I can in a reply. Go watch it.
@@lutherheggs451 It takes less effort to verify the claim than what it took to type out that contrarian tripe.
@@lutherheggs451 He's actually not wrong. You can find plenty of evidence that suggests Disney were being assholes. You should look up the interviews with the director, writers and producers. They felt that evil eye from Disney.
Director John Musker and Ron Clements, both of whom also produced the film with Roy Conli, from a screenplay written by Clements, Musker, and Rob Edwards. The story was conceived by the directors and the writing team of Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio.
They had come to Disney multiple times to pitch the idea and Disney kept brushing them off, making them work on other projects. They'd come back again---same answer, and eventually Disney was getting pissy about it. There's a whole lot of fuckery that went down behind the scenes that affected the way Disney "advertised" the movie, which is in quotations because it was basically none at all. So hardly any butts got in the seats---because if you look at the statistics in home VHS and DVD sales, Treasure Planet did way more!
People who went to see it told friends or family about it, word spread through word of mouth and the internet---and people just went and bought it. Watched it, loved it. Ta-da.
The treasure being hidden as the planets core imo is a great set piece. A literal treasure planet would have been too on the nose but this way the myth has some truth to it and the amount of treasure really does seem grand in scale without getting carried away.
Fun Fact: the ship Jim and the crew are traveling on to reach treasure planet is called R.L.S. Legacy which is a reference to Robert Louis Stevenson, the author of treasure island.
16:04 This blending you see is largely due to a technique Disney developed at the time called “Deep Canvas.” Originally designed for Tarzan’s vine surfing scenes, how it worked was to create a 3D model, then have traditional animators animate over it, first background, then the characters moving through it. This made the two styles of 3D and 2D animation blend more seamlessly. In this movie’s case, they modeled out the entire ship, every deck, corridor and chamber in deep canvass, so everytime it was on screen, it’s using that technology, and the results are breathtaking.
It’s also one of the reasons Disney tried so hard to kill this movie. While Tarzan had, like 4 minutes of this type of animation, Treasure Planet uses it in half the movie, pretty much every time the ship is on screen. And Deep Canvas is *expensive.* So they were especially bitter towards this movie, not only for trying to be traditionally hand drawn, but also for using this expensive experimental technology, when full 3D is ‘cheaper.’
This has always been my favourite thing about 2D animated movies.
I fell In love with ever since I saw Aladdin.
I'm not gonna beat around the bush, Disney's 2002 sci-fi action-adventure coming of age masterpiece Treasure Planet is my all time favourite film. I genuinely think it's perfect from start to finish. The mix of both hand-drawn 2D traditional animation and 3D computer animation is amazing and John Rzeznik of The Goo Goo Dolls' song I'm Still Here (Jim's Theme) is also my all time favourite song. I love this film so much, I can't get enough of it and I will forever convert everyone to this cult classic masterpiece.
it’s my fav film too :) treasure planet bros for life
While Lion King is my top choice always and forever, I still 100% agree that Treasure Planet was very underrated and that it's an amazing film in Disney's history. Whether they like it or not. I really resonated with Jim as a kid and even now as an adult I see a lot of myself in him. And like you said how you love showing this movie to everyone?
Bro, I am there with you---I have shown many of my friends this film and they have come out loving it every single time.
yes! It is so complex and better in many ways than all the SF examples the commentator mentioned....it is so complete so deeply thought through as it was pitched the first time to Disney by the directors in 1985 together with Little Mermaid. It is the passion project of their lives and you can feel this in every second of the movie! The commentator in this video is very ignorant and inventing plot wholes that aren't there, the movie is quite opposite - very saturated...
Malcolm deserves extra applause for his act in this video!
I love how he just has a cardboard dvd cover on his head.
I got emotionally invested for sure
The definition of a poster boy.
@@carlotta4th well played.
Who played Hercules was it Tamara?
Muppet Treasure Island will forever be my favorite version
Treasure planet only takes second because of B. E. N. And maybe a little because of morph. Otherwise, they might tie for first.
I don't know that I'm ready to go that far, but I think I am ready to say Muppet Christmas Carol is my favorite adaptation of that story.
I don't regret the cancellation of the sequel movie, all signs point to it being a direct-to-home-video release, but Treasure Planet actually did get a sequel in the form of a video game tie-in called "Treasure Planet: Battle at Procyon". It takes place five years after the movie, beginning right as Jim graduates from the Interstellar Academy as a Royal Navy officer. As crazy as this sounds, the game is a pretty in-depth (and at the high levels, quite challenging) naval combat simulator.
A Disney movie tie-in game being a naval combat simulator sounds too crazy to exist, but it does.
AND III WANT A MOMENT TO BE REAL
WANNA TOUCH THINGS I DONT FEEL
WANNA HOLD ON & FEEEEL LIKE I BELONG
Sang it. Impossible not to.
A cool detail: There's a persistent shadow around Jim's eyes, signifying his depressed, self-conscious state of mind. After bonding with Silver and gaining more confidence in himself, the shadow briefly disappears, but then reappears after he's framed for the death of Mr. Arrow. The same applies to his coat, which he removes then puts back on in a similar vein. Two very good visual ways to convey Jim's emotional turmoil.
Oh, and another cool detail: Jim is visible taller at the end of the film, showing that his time aboard the RLS Legacy (see what they did there) changed him not just physically but emotionally as well.
Another Fun Fact: When Jim and Dr. Doppler arrive at the space-port, they get directions from two characters using a ladder. These are caricatures of directors John Musker (at the top of the ladder) and Ron Clements (holding the bottom of the ladder).
They did the same thing in “Aladdin” when Prince Achmed goes to see Jasmine; the two older guys commenting about him being another suitor for Jasmine are based on Musker and Clements 😄 I didn’t know that till some years back
And they're seen again in Hercules where teen Herc is pulling the hay wagon, the stacked hay knocks two men from their scaffolding at the town entrance and they're left angrily dangling while Hercules calls back to them, "Oops, sorry guys!"
I would argue that Steampunk is a different thing entirely. Like Steampunk isn't meant to be sci-fi, it's meant to be technology that didn't really exist but could have realistically existed. Steam Punk is inspired by blue prints Leonardo Da Vinci drew but never actually built. And people have built working models based on his blue prints. Even though we have better technology now, it's not really practical but the prototypes were essentially only built as a proof of concept that his ideas could have worked. So steampunk isn't meant to be futuristic, it's meant to be like an alternate reality where Da Vinci focused more on his inventions rather than his paintings causing a shift in the development of technology that realistically could have actually happened. Wild Wild West is what I would call Steam Punk. Even Back to the Future 3 has some good steampunk but there the whole reason it exists is because Doc Brown literally has knowledge of the future and is only limited by what's available in the time period in order to build what he needs.
This is not in any way realistic. This blending of the past and the future should not work but weirdly does. Firefly and Fallout are other great examples of this that weirdly blend the past with the future. In fact Fallout is weirdly set in present day some times has more advanced technology than we have right now and culture is weirdly stuck in the 1940's I always thought that Fallout was suppose to be an alternate time line where the reason for the weird blend of past and future is because media never advanced past when the bombs dropped but technology continued to develop. Which honestly still makes more sense in my head than the weird time line of events that actually happens in that universe.
Wait a minute. Aladdin didn't wait until halfway through the movie to implement Robin Williams. He's the first voice we hear in the movie.
He means more the actual appearance of the Genie’s design rather than that guy. Plus, after he does the intro, he disappears UNTIL after the halfway point, so you forget about that
@p0laris74yt8 I didn't forget anything. I addressed what was said about the movie not implementing Robin Williams until halfway through with the fact that his is the first voice we hear in the movie.
Jim and LSJ's relationship in this movie is something that will never stop being wholesome.
Imagine Malcom having to act out that opening skit with a big cardboard rectangle taped to his face 😂
@@xaenr480 it would have been more funnier to me if the cardboard was taped to the back of his head and he was facing the Critic in the opposite direction in some of the shots. 😀
it was genius
I wanna know how often he accidentelly bumped into stuff XD
This movie has something media is lacking nowadays...
FATHER FIGURES.
Especially when it comes to sons as there quite a few boys, teens, and young men that didn't have a male figure to look up to.
"Let it go" can speak more for the girls girls
I'm still here can speak more for boys.
Plus the animation and characters are amazing 👏
i mean, as a girl "i'm still here" spoke for me too. i didn't grow up with a father figure and i related so much to jim because of that
The last of us and Logan have questions for you
@@AiringAustin Shhh, it's not nice to skewer someone's persecution complex.
@Tylendal242 Of course, talking about boys with absent fathers or not having positive male figures would ruffle some feathers.
I honestly pity you.
@@loopyshot3326 That's not what you're talking about, and it's disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise. You're spouting rage-baiting persecution complex talking points that another commenter already pointed out aren't actually reflected in reality.
I always thought that the actual planet looks gray and dull, and then I realized it's actually an artificial planet, and the only thing that can survive on it is fungal life
It took me a while to watch Treasure Planet on my own but I definitely noticed it being different and even there I say it more mature than any Disney animated movie I ever seen so I say that Treasure Planet is an underrated gem and deserves more attention.
I keep forgetting that Joseph Gordon was Jim in this movie.
I do too
This isn't the worse Disney movie from the 2000s to star Martin Short. That honor goes to Santa Clause 3.
And yet, he made a great Jack Frost
Hey now I actually enjoy Santa clause 3!
And don’t tell me to chill because I INVENTED CHILL!
@@talonschultz5277 Hey. How'd you like to be one of my elves?
Treasure Planet and Muppet Treasure Island are probably my 2 favorite interpretations. 🤘😎🪙🏴☠️
Treasure Planet isn't steampunk, though. It's more like solarpunk. It relies more heavily on solar power (as you can see with the ships' sails and with Jim's skateboard thing) and not on steam. I think that's why it feels more like 2000 mixed with the future and less like the Victorian Age. Also, the clothing options are more in line with a pirate film, so it is mixing in some definite inspiration from the 1400s (maybe some other eras, as well). I tend to think that the movie is really set in an alternate timeline wherein humanity discovered solar power and space travel sooner, lending to a blending of styles.
Not that the movie is without sin, but I truly think likening it to steampunk does a disservice to the film. It just isn't steampunk.
What I love about John Silver, is that he is by definition THE WHOLE PACKAGE, one can talk the flawless blend between 2D and 3D of the character, but that heavily compliments his CHARACTER in the story balancing the role of father-figure, friend, mentor and adversary (all pretty clashing hats) to Jim Hawking, Needless to say he is a multidimensional character in his writing as well as his design.
Review Disney's The Wild (2006).
Diet Madagascar? No thanks.
@@Ishtarru that movie's awful!
That's the point @@kdusel1991
...wait, the Madagascar movie with a koala and a snake...?
That's from Disney???
I've been trying to remember what that movie was called for almost 20 years. Thank you.
The only reason I saw it in the first place is because it was part of a double-feature at a drive-in theater.
Oh here comes the pitchforks.
He was too harsh on the movie wish but was he too harsh on this movie too????
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Savages Savages 🎶🎶
@@MasonAnthony-zf2vi nahh wish deserved all the harshness
@@kamuymamushi5877yeah he was pretty warm towards Treasure Planet, but hoo boy did Wish deserve ALL the smoke
Oh yeah, i knew it. Treasure Planet. I don’t know why this movie bombed at the box office aside from releasing at the time CGI animated films rule the industry while hand drawn animated film struggle and release before we discovered the internet.
This is a dream project from John Musker and Ron Clements that they wanted to do in a long time since the 80’s.
Disney basically wanted this movie to fail since Eisner was trying to kill the 2D department, and they put this movie against Harry Potter and Lord Of The Rings coming out at the same time, basically insuring it had no chance
@@gregthehedgehog0956 Yeah. Heavy competition from movies that gather more attention at the time. Even Eisner has The Santa Clause 2 at the same month as Treasure Planet. I watched it on VHS and i like it
Intentional sabotaging. A lot of time when a movie or game is mid production but some kind of higher up position changes hands (new director hired, new CEO hired, etc) that new person wants to set that project up for failure to shift focus on the projects they have planned. Oftentimes well written contracts or unions prevent these new people from just outright cancelling these projects, so instead they do things like pull funding, pull marketing support, transfer staff, give tighter deadlines to rush production, etc. In the case of Treasure Planet, because it was already so close to completion when Eisner was hired, he killed the movies marketing (trailers, posters, ads) and had it set to release with Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings. So when given a choice between a movie no one had really heard about and 2 of the most anticipated movies of the decade, they chose HP and LOTR.
And as an extra kick to the groin, because the box office was low, people judged the movie as bad without ever seeing it. People even nowadays do this, judging a movie based purely on how much it made in profit. So when the HP and LOTR fever cooled down and people realized a Disney movie released, word of mouth spread that it must have been a total bomb because it didn't make nearly as much money as the last Disney movie did (Lilo and Stitch).
I myself got the DVD as a present and it's always been one of my top 10 if not top 5 favorite Disney flicks.
Because it's not as good as everyone says it is.
I’ve heard about the steampunk argument before, but I never thought that this movie had a steampunk style. I always thought that this movie was based in a universe where 18th century Earth came into contact with aliens at some point, hence the blending of alien technology and 18th century style. With the space ships based off of the sailing vessels of the time, using engines and using solar sails to power them. I actually enjoy the blending of sci-fi and the 18th century. 😊
exactly no steampunk in this movie not even 1%
+ this is an elegant movie, steam punk is often kitchy
I gotta say it’s refreshing to know Doug is still uploading reviews. I grew up on the internet watching his reviews. It’s kind of insane how many of his reviews cultured me since I lived a pretty sheltered life and didn’t get the opportunity to watch many of the movies and shows he talked about. Thanks for continuing to give us content despite everything and all this time ♥️
Somehow Dougs gray hair makes ME feel old
When is he going to shave?
I noticed that too, he actually looks the same, but with a grey beard
Makes him feel old too
@@ThatMan99 so when is he gonna shave?
I WAS RIGHT!!! About the movie choice.
This is my one of my boyfriends favorite films and we watched it together for a date night a while back. After we finished, I could see why he loves this. The visuals are incredible, but what stuck out the most to me was the soundtrack. From the first time I heard "I'm Still Here (Jim's Theme)" I fell in love with the music that this film has. It sounded familiar to me, only for me to find out John Rzeznik of The Goo Goo Dolls wrote that song. Him and James Newton Howard, who did the music for The Hunger Games, and worked with Hans Zimmer on the first two Nolan Batman films did the music for this film and it is gorgeous. This movie will always hold a special place in my heart.
Treasure Planet is a CRIMINALLY underrated masterpiece, "I'm Still Here" is a theme song of my childhood, yes I am biased, yes I will die defending that movie, glad you have seen the light
Fun Fact: the head animator of Dr Doppler, Sergio Pablos, would go on to pitch the original story idea for Despicable Me and he wrote and directed Klaus. He is so good at character acting in his animation.
Principal Skinner: Yes.
Not sure if it was mentioned. But the animators tested to see if robots and pirates can work together. Animators animated Captain Hook with a robotic arm to show that It can work.
BEN coming in when he did is reflective of the book’s pacing, when Jim finds the cheese obsessed survivor of Flint’s last visit to the island. It’s actually a plot point that he’s scattershot in his comedy because he’s literally missing part of his mind.
As an adaptation it works remarkably well given the IN SPACE setting. The ship is called RLS Legacy, this being the legacy of Robert Louis Stevenson.
This needs to be a Kingdom Hearts world.
I am so glad that there are more people are appreciating this film and making videos about it because, growing up Treasure Planet was my LIFE (I still have the PS1 video game lol).
It also meant a lot to me especially since I really related to Jim growing up.
However, after reading the book in class during middle school, I can wholeheartedly say that I think this film is better then the book because, like what Dreamworks did with Prince of Egypt, it actually focuses on Jim and Silver's relationship by placing it at the heart of the film. I find the way their relationship is presented and paced to be far more realistic and a bit ahead of its time then I feel a lot of people give it credit for.
Plus, another thing I love about this film are the BACKGROUNDS. A big problem that I have with a lot of modern sci-fi is that everthing looks too sleek and clean, but here the world feels REAL and LIVED IN. It kinda reminds me of the original Ratchet and Clank video game where the aesthetic it has a bit of a clunker-junker vibe (something that, like I mentioned earlier with modern sci-fi, seems have been forgotten).
I will never get over the fact that Disney didn't give this film a franchise and let it bomb, because its a masterpiece in terms of storytelling. (I will continue to waste away and wait for the day it happens, even though it's highly unlikely...)
Also, how dare you diss on the Goo Goo Dolls. This film introduced me to them.
Was I wrong about Treasure Planet?
Me: Yes. Yes you were (more to come after finishing the review)
EDIT: I have finished the review. Long rant incoming:
Honestly, while I see his point, I personally disagree with Critic about the whole "looking cool" issue that he had with Jim's design and the solar surfing part.
The solar surfing added to Jim's character since his mother, at the beginning of the film, mentioned that he built his first one at 8 years old. The way I see it, that shows the audience that Jim has a lot of untapped potential (and intelligence) that he was not utilizing due to the trauma from his father's absence. (Plus, there's also a deleted scene that shows him fixing the one we see him using in the movie. Check it out if you haven't)
Regarding Jim's design, I still think it fits within the world as it allows Jim to stand out to show that he is truly an outcast. Really think about it, everyone else has a more traditional 18th/19th century look, but Jim is the only one who doesn't. So, once we get to the end, his design blends in better because it shows that he's found his place in the world.
Jim's design is one of my all time favorites, not just in Disney history but also animation in general, so I might be a bit biased as well.
I should also mention that characters wearing thay particular hairstyle (the curtain cut if I remember the name right) has been used on different characters in futuristic/fantasy styles and still fit just fine. Look at Future Trunks from Dragon Ball who is one of the most iconic anime characters with the same look (best character in the series too imho).
I could say more but if I do I'll be here all day. 😂
Another Fun Fact: Voice acting debut of Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Currently, it is also his only theatrically animated film.
@@koneheadcokehead4981 If you count his voice acting in the English dub of “The Wind Rises”, he voice acts in two animated films.
“Go, Delbert! Go, Delbert!”
Regarding the whole "forget the robot was even there," I never realized that Ben the robot is actually on the cover of Treasure Planet until 1:41. 😅
Doug acknowledging how harsh he was in the Disneycember review from back then is the character development we all love too see. Such a underrated late 90s/early 2000s Disney classic
This movie is criminally underrated one of my top five favorite Disney movies of all time
After 20 years, this movie is criminally underrated and Nostalgia Critic is reviewing it. Talk about *digging up lost treasure.*
11:49 - Hey, you shut your mouth critic, that’s the Goo Goo Dolls, the greatest rock band ever! They’re good in anything.
Technically it’s just John Rzeznik on his own, but it’s so quintessential Goo Goo Dolls that it does feel the same
Drop Kick Murphy's woulda been better.
@@tinyj4520 That's certainly an interesting idea. Funnily enough there's a cover of I'm Still Here by this TH-cam singer Colm McGuinness, he's an Irish singer. He's also on Spotify
Ever since Pixar coming on the scene Disney started releasing the 2D movies against things they knew they wouldn’t do well against so they could provide reasoning to shareholders why they needed to stick to more easily made Pixar movies. For example take this movie. They released it in November 2002 after a James Bond and Harry Potter movie had come out. If you’d like another example they released The Princess and the Frog up against Avatar
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I like Doug’s idea here!
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His idea of a “Treasure Planet” is basically like what we got in The Road To El Dorado, except if El Dorado was a whole planet!
😎
The opening bit was very funny! I don't know how Doug and Malcolm got through it with straight faces 😂
I was gonna ask if Malcolm even needed a straight face, but since he was still interacting with Doug, he probably did.
I love that you were willing to give this another shot. Disney really shafted it out of spite and jealousy, giving it next to NO attention in advertising. It sorta...came out of nowhere in a sense.
As for the "rebellions teenager" thing... I get that can get old, but---it doesn't matter WHAT generation, WHAT year, WHAT culture---there's ALWAYS a rebellious teen. That's why it works and connects with others so well. They either ARE that character now, want to be that character, OR already were at one point.
So I think we need to give that trope a bit of a pass, at least be easier on it.
Also you hush! Lol, "I'm Still Here", is by far one of my favourite songs. A the risk of sounding cliche---honestly, this song really resonates with me. And it's still on multiple playlists of mine to this day.
Also when it comes to what you expected for Treasure Planet itself, wanting the trees and whatever made of gold---that's... sorry, that's ridiculous. This is just treasure collected by a pirate over many years that he just set up booby traps for. You can't say that X and Y elements don't match and then expect this planet entirely made out of treasure like Midas rubbed his dick on it.
Then you talked about how the planet wasn't anything bright or colourful or worth being the ending. But...it makes sense to hide treasure on a place that doesn't seem that appealing to go to. Don't ya think?
I feel like an actual teen movie that portrays teens realistically is less common than teen movies that portray teens as catty and obsessed with high school politics.
Jim is a character I love because it's like all my internal angst and disconnect with others was portrayed in a more outward way and seeing the way someone is able to connect and encourage him, and especially that moment where Jim feels like he only screws up and blames himself after Arrow's death, and comes around to grow into a more confident and hopeful person
I love treasure planet
The father and son relationship between Jim and silver
The John rzeznik song I’m still here
And the surfing scenes
And silver is a pretty good villain
The only thing I don’t like about this movie is the loud obnoxious robot he’s basically the gurgi or jar jar binks of the movie other than that I love this movie and I hate that it bombed and killed hand drawn movies because it’s a really good movie
This movie came out in the 200’s. Of course it’s gonna be filled to the brim with the 2000’s.
Also the entire point of Jim’s look is so that it can gradually change overtime. He goes from his earlier look of black or dark colors in general to ditching the jacket and wearing more natural colors and at the end when he comes home he’s completely reformed and thus wears white and gold to represent that and the fact that he’s graduated.
I like how Throughout the movie Silver becomes kind of like a surrogate father to Jim.
Fun Fact: This movie took ten years to make, having had the longest production cycle of any movie in Disney's Post Renaissance Era, after it went through production hell, though the production mainly started after the release of Hercules.
Jesus!!
for real?
Damn that's RAD
Yup. Musker and Clements originally pitched this movie in 1985 and were hoping to make it after The Little Mermaid. But Disney kept screwing them over. The only reason it got made is because Roy Disney made sure of it. Meanwhile, Michael Eisner was trying to kill 2D animation.
Fun fact: captain flint is played by Peter Cullen
@@vetarlittorf1807
god help us all 😓
2d disney animation should/must make a return,
@@vetarlittorf1807 well that and Jeffery Katzenberg dangled it over the two's heads
I love this film so much.
"Now say you were wrong about Hercules!"
"NEVAH!!!!"
Wait a minute, does this mean next week we're reviewing Hades I mean James Woods I mean James Woods as Hades I mean Hercules?
i wish
James Woods's Hades is no joke my most favourite Disey character ever.
In fairness towards the movie, some of the issues with the last third is more holdover from the source material than the movie writers being crappy. Remember, this /is/ an adaptation of 1883's Treasure Island, so it's gotta keep the structure of that plot.
B.E.N. being a shitty comic relief introduced in the last act isn't the best decision, no, but Ben Gunn, the cheese obsessed hermit who lives on the island was just that in the book. Okay, he wasn'ta comic relief character, but that's a change I feel like Disney had to make so the robot wouldn't be even more forgettable.
The treasure's backstory, likewise, is nothing special in the book. Flint just collected a metric fuckton of treasure, and stashed it on an island somewhere. That's it. It doesn't need a backstory beyond "Flint looted it and stashed it on a planet somewhere"
I don't think this really qualifies as steampunk. The historical parts kind of pre-date the age of steam. To adequately describe Bioshock we had to coin the term dieselpunk, so I guess to capture the feel of this movie we have to call it... sailpunk?
Dieselpunk was coined in 2001, long before Bioshock. This movie is closer to Clockpunk, advanced technology with the aesthetic of technology from the Renaissance era
@@bsgfan1 clockpunk is interesting. I'll look into that.
My brother, and I love Treasure Planet
Same here. This movie is my childhood favorite and it is the best Disney animated movie next to Atlantis The Lost Empire & Emperor's New Groove.
@@PhoenixGamerxx96we love those movies too
@@sarahmcmann5253 Treasure Planet got a 107 facts video.
@@orangeslash1667cool
I still like this more than Atlantis.
Another Fun Fact: When Jim's mother sits with him on his bed to read his book, on his bookshelf, there is a Stitch doll in an astronaut suit.
Fun Fact: He literally points it out in the video.
fun fact: there's a reply button, use it instead of posting 50 comments separately
Awww
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About the Treasure Planet being boring-looking: I think that might've been at least in part intentional in order to contrast with what it was until that point. For the entire movie and for many characters, Treasure Planet is the stuff of legends, an amazing place, a goal to strive towards, something incredible. Then we get there and it's just… grey and dull greens. Mushrooms and moss. And you kinda realize that the only reason it was supposed to be amazing was… it had a lot of gold on it. Silver is about to learn the lesson that he's been wrong to place such high importance in the legend of Treasure Planet and I think the planet itself is sort of the first hint to that effect. You may argue that it's unappealing to look at and that shouldn't be the case in a movie no matter the themes, but since it also represents a low point and darkest hour for the good guys, I think it's also appropriate in that way.
Fun fact: the director of Klaus was an animator in Treasure Planet and you can see the similarities between Delbert and Jesper (from Klaus).
It’s interesting at how many times Disney has revisited the story of Treasure Island. There was the 1950 live action version (which is very underrated), the Muppet Treasure Island from 1996 and then this version.
Steven Tyler, Mark Hamill, and Brad Dourif were considered for the voice of Mr. Scroop.
Best underrated disney movie!!
*Following close behind Hercules (at **25:22**):*
*The Rescuers:* I thought you liked dark stories, why not me?!
*Aristocats:* Don't you like me at all? What's wrong with being cute?
*Home on the Range:* I have myself a fan base now too. How about you try me again!
*A Bugs Life:* I deserve a second viewing too! I don't need Dreamworks' to prove I can stand on my own!
*Aristocats:* Pixar, you too?
*Home on the Range:* That's tough, man!
*A Bugs Life:* I have unique side characters, an intimidating villain, and my animation is good for being Pixar's second movie, and a whole book series fleshing out the ants.
*Hercules:* Well, how about it, Critic............
*Nostalgia Critic* Uhhhh........
(Tune in next time to find out)
Oh god aristocats and home on the range do not warrant second tries.