I'm really exciting for any new Warframe quests that come out and i mean long story driven interesting quests, not saying shorter quests like the deadlock protocol are bad i just like the narratively long quests, also the part about the "hey kiddo" man in the wall part give me chills.
Yeah. I like the actual story quests. Second Dream made me feel like there was so much more to the game... and then I went back to grind trying to find more. Never really did. I miss the feeling of mystery... haven't played in a while. It's just a mob grinder game at this point. I feel like I just can't get into it anymore.
Am I the only person actually happy to See him? Sure, he scared the kuva out of me the very first time... but yet he‘s an other worldly being even feared by Natha/Lotus.... and he decides to just chill with us. Little lost tenno... calling us kiddo, seemingly granting us our power and so on... I mean All Lotus needed to leave her „children“ behind was a guy with a long Arm.... But Space-dad? He helped us! He showed us where she is. Where to find a blade against sentinents... So if he wants to chill in my orbiter checkin on me from time to time... I say „sure! Let him do that“ (Plus: he might be our only hope if our trophy turned enemies finally do escape...)
@@TheDsIEGE That‘s propably when he jumps from orbiter to orbiter... I mean... there are manny Tenno to look after :D Wonder if he and the Helminth get along or if they are more like enemies.... Ever rhought about that too? I mean giant chomp chomp has interesting answers when we enter as ourselfs....
If you think about if he is on every ship wouldn't he be with the senist or even on lua and god damnit how can you get past Uranus I have been playing Warframe since 2017 godmit
@@shanedaley6236 I know its your opinion but its kinna rare and from what I've seen most people kinna like it once and awhile, I don't think most people would be happy. (Bet nobody will read this for like 3 years.)
Yeah, that's why my personal theory I actually posted in one of these lore videos, anyway my theory is that the Man in the Wall is actually in you. Not your ship but inside you. The only time he is not inside you is when you're transferring to your warframe, that's why he gets control of your body and does as he wishes. Yes, he is not actually copying your form he is actually controlling you when you're out. I know this for a fact because he once showed up hanging from the cables in front of our room. When I put my warframe between him and the door to enter the room, the seat where our main body stays was empty. Not only that if you transfer back into the operator's body he immediately disappears. According to the few pieces of info we have on him it is Believed that he is the void itself. A living representation of it, what this means is that all tenno have a part of him inside themselves, which is what connect them to the void and gives them powers. But of all Tenno he choose you to have his consciousness dwell within. When talking to the "finger" in Railjack, he'll sometimes say, "Don't forget, you owe me." This implies that he was indeed the one who saved all tenno from dying at the accident all those years ago. Sadly we still don't know the reason why. But this may be the reason why the infested fear the Tenno, since they are pretty much messengers or even avatars of the Man in the wall
LOL, there was a recent time here was something was screwed up with a patch and I got him coming after EVERY single mission. Turned into "Wtf do you want" instead of horror real quick!
I truly hoped it was one and done and the fact he can appear at a random day luckily I haven't seen him for a bit which also means he could be back soon
For those who have read the Deimos backroom lore, the void taunting you with a duplicate of yourself is nothing new and its happened to others aside from the Tenno. I didn't care much about the Deimos story either but Grandfather's lore implications is good.
Weirdly, I got used to the man in the wall. I feel more interest in getting to know the entity rather than get rid of it. It’s always something that confused me with his behavior. Is it trying to communicate? Is it taunting me? Is it trying to take over the Tenno’s mind? It’s just sprung up more questions that make me want to understand this being.
I'm getting the feeling MitW wants us to follow him somewhere. Don't know where and don't know why. Maybe... Titan??? Maybe... To show us the true nature of the void???
He is too confusing to me, there was a time that everyday he was there, but it's been soooooooo long since I haven't seen him And yes I do believe that he's always there lurking around I'm scared to be honest
He used to appear for me but now I just look around for him and I've never forgotten the horror of the encounters nor the quest ive even told my freind who are new and started a day or two ago that the chains of horror is horrifying but never did I mention the man in the wall cause I want them to know what it's like to come to their "safe" orbiter and see him
The unknown causes fear, fear then causes anger, anger to hate, and hate to lashing out and to lash out is usually related in atepts to kill or rid of such things that caused it in the first place.
The way I see the smaller quests is that they are setting up the background for the big stories. It seems like these side quests are becoming more and more connected, as seen with The Deadlock Protocol. I think the reason that some people didn’t like Heart of Deimos is because they expected it to be a big quest that had major effects on the story. But if you look at it from the perspective that it is setting up the Entrati and their characters, I think it did a good job at explaining their situation and relationships. I really hope all these things, like the heart, the entrati, the necramechs, Parvos Granum, the time travel stuff, the cosmic clock, etc, are all going to be important to the major story later. Because I think that would make it all the more impactful, and give a much bigger narrative purpose to these side quests.
I suppose we'll see. I'm just not really digging them, Deadlock protocol actually was pretty good, but heart of deimos, fortuna, even the plains had stories that didn't intrigue me. I don't think the story has to be long to be good, too. I just didn't care for them. Personal preference, I hold no ill will to anyone who thinks differently. Truth be told, I'm glad you like them because that just shows the diverse group the game can appeal too.
@@TheDsIEGE well I totally agree that they are nowhere near as good as the main quests. But I am hoping that they will tie into the main story, otherwise these side quests will be just that, side quests. But if they are setting up for something larger, then they will be given purpose by it, we just are unable to see that purpose as of yet. People have always complained about connection in the game, and I think that connecting the story elements would be a good place to start. Also, have you heard about the secret message that Natah sent us during Orphix Venom? I take that you probably didn’t play much considering that you don’t like necramechs, but it seems to be hinting at some things to come in the New War. (Which better not be delayed past this year or I am gonna die from waiting!). Another Great Video tho, I always enjoy hearing your opinion and theories!
I’m playing a game while listening to this vid in the background and every single time that I hear the “hey kiddo” once I start to get into the game a bit more I jump up a little bit, also if I had to choose my favorite moment in warframe it would probably have to be when the Tenno wakes up on lua, just hearing that beautiful music while that stalker is actually questioning who and what he is while our Tenno does the same was just fascinating to me. Hell if I ever redownloaded the game it would probably be to experience that moment again, or when they finally release the new war so I can mount the lotus’s head on a wall in my ship.
@@TheDsIEGE agreed, hopefully outriders will do well enough to give DE some motivation, speaking of, do u think you’ll make a vid on outriders when it comes out? I’d love hear what u think about the game and maybe see some build videos on it?
My theory still is that he's a part of you and there for never gone, and the "Hey Kiddos" are his displays of when your connection is at its strongest or to ensure connection hasn't dulled.
Yes that's also my theory. He lives inside you. He's usually playing with you instead of trying to just scare the hell out of you. Just look at his spawn points, it's always near key parts of the Orbiter where youd look for information, prepare for missions, buy something at the market, or even just rest in your room, and he never just show up in a cryptic way, sometimes he's just chilling there, other times he shows up upside down hanging from the cables. It's like he is enjoying having the freedom to materialize in the physical world using your body. He is testing what he can do with it. At times it almost seems like he was bored waiting for you to return with your Warframe. Before Rell's death he probably dwelled inside him as well. But Rell never trully understood that or why, he seemed to think the Man in the Wall was following him. We don't know why but it was clear that the Man in the wall has an objective that he cannot fulfill himself and requires someone or at least access to a body to fulfill it. He had chosen Rell for it. And now he chose us. Now this is just my opinion but there is probably something else aside from the Orokin, Sentients, the other races and the Tenno's allies. Something only the Man in the wall knows, maybe as old as the Void itself. And the Man in the Wall's objective, might be to retrieve that, or to find it.
Ohhh Siege... the truth is much more terrifying than you think. You see, the man in the wall isn't always onboard the orbiter... he is always following you. Be it in the orbiter, your railjack, or the field... watching... "Don't forget, kiddo... you're nothing without me."
@@TheDsIEGE Told you! Now imagine this: You are on a mission - your warframe in the field, while you are safely sitting in the Somatic Link. But then suddenly, through the metallic shell you hear: "rap... tap... tap..."
The problem is,hes not just watching us. Even if he were just watching,lets not forget,hes a part of the void,the void is malicious,but uncaring. The problem is he can make us dream. Whats scarier than a void monstrosity staring at you menacingly? When that same monster can create vision so vivid,theyre like actual missions. Its not the fact hes watching us,its what hes capable of that should induce fear in us. Then again,he could just be taunting us,and hes actually good. I always had this idea that he wants to be the new Lotus,as shown with him wearing her headdress. It all depends on how you see him.
Actually, he might be the one pulling the strings all along. If Ordis was able to upload tasks to do and replicate the Lotus’s exact voice and pitch, then she might’ve been a puppet. After all Natah says she was trapped in Alia along with the Tenno
Imagine if you knew how every joke ended, how it could have changed, all variable outcomes and good laughs ruined, would that be entertaining? So why not go over somewhere were you cant predict the outcome, sit back and wacht as everything unfolds before your eyes, kido
@@TheDsIEGE he is probably somewhere in the ship hiding. But at this point I am more afraid of my kavat Kitkat that hides equally and loves to jumpscare me
I remember the first time i heard the "hey kiddo". I was terrified. On the switch version of warframe however your screen will actually be zoomed out for a sec before wall-e decides to just pop into existance, meaning you had a way of knowing he was about to spawn. On pc however i just never walk around the orbiter and always use fast travel. i only walk around when im in a call with a friend cuz im legit scared of it. I love Chains of Harrow but goddamn do i regret doing it. And then when he popped up after The Sacrifice it got me thinking as to what the hell happened. My operator saying that he killed Issah was one of the most confusing things ever. I still think about that and come to think of it, what if umbra is able to speak through us in a way? Like, while we are controlling him, Umbra can communicate through our operator, meaning wall-e isnt speaking to you but rather Umbra. Just a thought i had.
You know what's the saddest part? I can never find him in my orbiter. I heard him countless times and seen the subtitles, but once I heard it I immediately started searching for him, and I only managed to actually see him once
1:09 havent finished to video yet but i want to say chains of harrow really stuck with me as i have aspergers so it really struck a chord with me how rell struggled at some points
It's real world association with some very serious concepts like what you mentioned and suffer from as well as the fact that it's a thrilling, well put together quest is what really stands out and shows how capable DE is regarding quests with meaning. I'd like to see more of that in future. If it resonated with you in a way that has positively affected your life, I mean... how much more can you ask from a video game you know? Very powerful stuff here...
@@TheDsIEGE It is super powerful, even today i just think about rells struggles and its quite emotional. On a slightly light note compared to struggling, i did find myself struggling with the emotion cards. I mean that kind of adds up
Personally I have PDDNOS and I could relate to Rell as a kid. My understanding of thing has changed a lot when I got older and stuff (This doesn't mean that I fully understand emotions and stuff.) so part of my liked it, but the other part of me also felt like they were creating yet again another stereotype to associate autistic people with. People on the spectrum are all SUPER different from eachother you can't really depict us in media and make it help people understand us because that just creates people pushing us into corners we don't belong in tbh. I am very talkative and social but my girlfriend is more quiet and more introverted (I'm still actually also an introvert but just a very social one but that's not really relevant for my comment) but we both have PDDNOS.
Oh, just as you once said: “It’s just only the beginning. The best [and other iconic] things are yet to come.” I might be wrong in quotation, but I sense that Warframe is going to hit again just like the game did with the operator addition. I said the same thing to the LifeOfRio.
God this channel is a gem I'm gonna start playing warframe again just because of these videos. I love when people speaking wich passion such as this. But onto the topic, having his presence on the ship is terrifying yet somehow comforting knowing that you arent alone in the vastness of space. That dosnt mean I eont crap my pants ever time he jumpscares me.
Just for this vid I love you so much. I got chills and the hairs standing up at the back of my head. I'm at work good Sir. I do not need the though of The Man in the wall peaking out of my back room whenever I look up. Lol great vid!!!
Honestly I love it! Today after work within 3 mins of logging into the game he was there at the codex, I'm facing navigation, did quick left 180, seen it for a split sec, huge jump scare and said out load HOLY SHIT!
I felt I was mentally ready for the chains of Harrow quest when I did it. When it ended there was a sense of loss I felt, and while returning to the orbiter, I kept thinking... What do they mean we will have to take up Rel's duty now. Thought I'd shrug it off and once I came back my eye went to the Inaros decoration on the floor next to my codex and then there were the words. My heart plummeted like 60 feet before I dared look up to it. And the horror when I saw that it was the man, with my operators body. I instantly used transference and to my relief I still had control of my operator and then I ran back and he wasn't there. A couple more appearances and I realized, wherever there's void energy, the void is there too... The relinquary drive wasn't a massive surprise as a result, but terrifying nonetheless. Don't think m getting over this one 😅
I want an option narratively to full on side with the man in the wall, preferably even replacing the lotus with him as your mission narrator; my neutral evil mercenary tenno taking his marching orders straight from satan sounds way too hilarious and awesome to not be a thing. Also, The Man In The Wall isn't on the ship, not really. You may see him peering around walls or sitting on your control desk, but he isn't really there. No, it's far worse than just a physical entity turning invisible; he is inside your eyes, in your head, in your very soul. The image you see of him standing around isn't really him, he's simply projecting himself onto your vision, into your mind. You are never alone, he is always there, always inside you and alongside you.
I've always thought the Man in the Wall is just representation of Tenno going crazy, and that he isn't real. If you think about it, those kids have had so much physical and mental trauma it's a wonder they can even function. Man in the Wall-more like Man in the Mirror. He's not in your orbiter, he's in your mind. If anything, that makes him even scarier.
I always do a scan of any room I'm in. Just a subconscious thing I've done for some time, but I definitely feel it in warframe. I always do a few quick bullet jumps down to the arsenal and back to be sure. At the same time, I love it when it shows up. As you say it doesn't do anything, that we know of, and I find that somewhat comforting. I guess I kinda like having my own little friend around.
It is really crazy how the first Man in the Wall encounter changes you. The MitW hasn't revealed himself to me for months now but even the slightest lag entering my orbiter prompts an immediate search, along with the de-escalating question of "is there a friend in my orbiter?" Even though the MitW is far from a friend, it helps me not jump as much. Even still, the concept that you brought up makes a lot of sense, which is terrifying. The fact that he never leaves and might be behind you or in another room, just not saying his typical 2-word tag line. It really is something to think about, and I hope that DE would consider expanding on this idea in the future
Speaking about spoopy times... Remember old stalker? Just screen flicker, then suddenly tile goes on lockdown and he appears. No big screens announcing him. Perhaps at best subtitle of his threat. Now, as first time fighting against the old stalker, you were going to be put on edge. This stalker's AI made him fight more like a warframe. Stealthing out, firing shot of two from bow and then going for kill with melee. He had ways to cancel out status effects off him, knock you off his back and other stuff like that. Before I got overgeared for him, the fights were always a dread to expect. Current stalker? He comes with loud announcement, fights like a mediocre boss with invincibility phases, telepraphs his attacks so hard you could call him Glass Joe.
Good to know I'm not alone in searching my orbiter after every mission for Wally. Though if I'm being honest, they don't freak me out any more - I more miss them at this point. It definitely helps that I've read Punch_Detective's fanfics on AO3, which give more personality to them though headcanons (they're in the operator Rev Tal stories, which are a good read and I would recommend).
6:57 There is a phrase for that. Cosmic horror. It's the same thing that makes the Cthulhu mythos so good. That fear of the unknown and the unknowable. Something so massive and powerful that it's behind our comprehension and learning it's secrets will destroy your mind and soul all at once.
I dunno, the 'man in the wall' never really bothered me. in fact for a while I tought it was my operator and i missed some update where my wf and my operator could walk separately (after all it happened in a quest if i recall). then after i relaised it was him, i just greeted him back. I always tought of him like an old friend who sometimes calls you up to have a coffee and a chat then disappears for weeks or months.
I agree with you about the story. Ill never forget the wonder and amazement when first discovering what our characters really are. It was awesome. That really made me want to play the game even more because i thought at first it was just another f2p looter and shooter, just to make it to that storyline and having to pick my jaw off of the ground and re-lubricate my eyes. Now its been a few years and im waiting and hoping that they will give us another moment thats at least at that level of "surprise!" But sadly, in my experience, usually with something like that, even in movies, cartoons, tv series, etc, when you get a moment of grandeur and wonder and amazement, wow factor seems to drop shortly after and is hard to match, let alone to top it....but heres hoping DE can do it.
I get him frequently which is nerve racking and one time I almost felt like I had a heart attack since my earphones was full volume when he said "HEY KIDDO"
First of all, I remember him showing up in the orbiter for me much time before I went through Chains of Harrow. After the War Within to be more specific. Second, This scores second place for me. Why, you ask? "Remember kid. You Owe Me."
The Man In The Wall's obsession with the Protagonist. My take is that it's less that they 'have our fear'; rather, they are just marinating in their own victory. Poking and prodding at the protag; taunting them with the one consistent memory (regardless of choice) they have of their time in the Void. Whatever their end game is, they are confident that they have already won: regardless of what choices the player makes. The only conclusion that I can draw from this is; it's the protagonist's very existence that makes the Man In The Wall believe they've won. Spoilers past this point. The most clear use the MITW could garner from the Tenno is their ability to contend with the Sentient. Unless there's some goofy third-act twist DE wants to throw in (like making the Lotus a quintuple agent or whatever), there's something the Sentient have (or, something they can become) that the MITW wants; but they can never properly commune as the Void is deadly to them. The Tenno are the unsuspecting (or even unwilling) ambassadors to MITW's schemes.
I'm too curious to be scared by shy guy. Every time I hear it, I look around and it's too late, he's already left. "Come back, I just want to play with you!"
Aslo i will never forget the time when i completed the Sacrifice and 1-2 week after he just appears after a random mission and asked me about Isaah, something like : Him: "feeling better, kiddo?" Operator: "I killed him...Isaah" Him: "Is that how you remember it?" Operator: "Yes" Him: "Good" then vanishes. Seriously the most interesting and frightening encounter with him. Because at this moment could i feel that he never left and he always watches.
I always thought he was always sitting on the ship, rent free, doing nothing, I expect one day to come back to the orbiter and see him and Umbra (the other lazy rent free person on the orbiter) playing on the Ludoplex
I still mess with a few of my friends with "Hey kiddo" when I answer the phone or sneak up behind them to say hi. A couple of them told me it still scares the snot out of them when the Man in the Wall appears in game.
man I miss the old story-driven Warframe, the ending of your video felt soooo familiar. I wish they kept the strange things like the strange Excalibur transmission while doing missions in the void, the guy was THE biggest mystery for me and my friends back then. Nowadays we are only two remnants of an oldening clan, progressively washed out by the boring nonsensical updates and poor decision coming from DE. The old flashlight that meant something back when Grineer tilesets were dark, the various gore effects when you slashed the flesh or the red text in loading screen, what are those? Even the scary manics attacks were cool... So many forgotten pieces from the past. But even though a few of those old things are gone, Rell still remains.
I'm really exciting for any new Warframe quests that come out and i mean long story driven interesting quests, not saying shorter quests like the deadlock protocol are bad i just like the narratively long quests, also the part about the "hey kiddo" man in the wall part give me chills.
This comment right here pretty much sums up how I feel. Gonna pin this comment...
@@TheDsIEGE tears
We will never see a long quest from DE because to them thats a lot of work for little pay.
They will never do quests like that again probably. The would rather just sell us cosmetics.
Yeah. I like the actual story quests. Second Dream made me feel like there was so much more to the game... and then I went back to grind trying to find more. Never really did. I miss the feeling of mystery... haven't played in a while. It's just a mob grinder game at this point. I feel like I just can't get into it anymore.
Am I the only person actually happy to See him? Sure, he scared the kuva out of me the very first time... but yet he‘s an other worldly being even feared by Natha/Lotus.... and he decides to just chill with us. Little lost tenno... calling us kiddo, seemingly granting us our power and so on...
I mean All Lotus needed to leave her „children“ behind was a guy with a long Arm.... But Space-dad? He helped us! He showed us where she is. Where to find a blade against sentinents...
So if he wants to chill in my orbiter checkin on me from time to time... I say „sure! Let him do that“ (Plus: he might be our only hope if our trophy turned enemies finally do escape...)
Trophy turned enemies... no worries about that i placed mine inside the helminths mouth lol
I mean... I enjoy a visit from time to time but... It's when he's not around that I'm most worried.
@@ghernickersonnazaire8656 Haha, smart one 😄
i love it when it shows up
@@TheDsIEGE That‘s propably when he jumps from orbiter to orbiter... I mean... there are manny Tenno to look after :D
Wonder if he and the Helminth get along or if they are more like enemies.... Ever rhought about that too?
I mean giant chomp chomp has interesting answers when we enter as ourselfs....
I always have an "oh shit" moment whenever I hear those two words while on my ship
Every time. Every freakin time.
If you think about if he is on every ship wouldn't he be with the senist or even on lua and god damnit how can you get past Uranus I have been playing Warframe since 2017 godmit
Even if I don't completely jump I always think frick get off my ship I do hope we get a chance to get him off at some point
@@shanedaley6236 I know its your opinion but its kinna rare and from what I've seen most people kinna like it once and awhile, I don't think most people would be happy. (Bet nobody will read this for like 3 years.)
You can also hear "him" when you interact with your railjack's engines.
constantly... it's quite unnerving but proves he's on all our ships now...
@@TheDsIEGE not in our ships but in our heads and souls even
“Something’s out there kiddo, something’s watching us.”
Yeah, that's why my personal theory I actually posted in one of these lore videos, anyway my theory is that the Man in the Wall is actually in you. Not your ship but inside you. The only time he is not inside you is when you're transferring to your warframe, that's why he gets control of your body and does as he wishes. Yes, he is not actually copying your form he is actually controlling you when you're out.
I know this for a fact because he once showed up hanging from the cables in front of our room. When I put my warframe between him and the door to enter the room, the seat where our main body stays was empty. Not only that if you transfer back into the operator's body he immediately disappears. According to the few pieces of info we have on him it is Believed that he is the void itself. A living representation of it, what this means is that all tenno have a part of him inside themselves, which is what connect them to the void and gives them powers. But of all Tenno he choose you to have his consciousness dwell within.
When talking to the "finger" in Railjack, he'll sometimes say, "Don't forget, you owe me." This implies that he was indeed the one who saved all tenno from dying at the accident all those years ago. Sadly we still don't know the reason why.
But this may be the reason why the infested fear the Tenno, since they are pretty much messengers or even avatars of the Man in the wall
WHAT.....! .
It would be awesome if he popped up during mission, shouting “HEY KIDDO”
Imagine the gravity of meeting a character who says those words. Not even in the possessed voice. What if parvos says that, or a quill.
@@giokazephyn354 Or, teshin
Or like simaris or... Ordis.
Then every enemies get ragdolled, like the effect of fus ro dah
@@Brachiosaura I'm dying
Tbh I just wish he/she/they would pay rent for crashing in my kick-ass ship.
I just wanna know what room he's in but... yeah a little rent here and there wouldn't hurt... Damn freeloader!
It is highly speculated we get our void powers from him... so... guess he paid you up front
😂😅😂😅.
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wait there is more than 1???
I've only seen him once straight after quest and never again. Didn't even know this was a thing...until now.
LOL, there was a recent time here was something was screwed up with a patch and I got him coming after EVERY single mission. Turned into "Wtf do you want" instead of horror real quick!
I truly hoped it was one and done and the fact he can appear at a random day luckily I haven't seen him for a bit which also means he could be back soon
For those who have read the Deimos backroom lore, the void taunting you with a duplicate of yourself is nothing new and its happened to others aside from the Tenno. I didn't care much about the Deimos story either but Grandfather's lore implications is good.
@fractured eyes Yeah kinda explains why he isn't there
“Jesus Wally, you scared the shit out of me.” Is my typical reaction.
Of course he's always In your orbiter.hes just stuck in the wall
Weirdly, I got used to the man in the wall. I feel more interest in getting to know the entity rather than get rid of it. It’s always something that confused me with his behavior. Is it trying to communicate? Is it taunting me? Is it trying to take over the Tenno’s mind? It’s just sprung up more questions that make me want to understand this being.
That's the beauty... he knows. You don't. And, I think that's exactly what he wants...
he was the one that showed us the way to the lotus helmet after all, and really seen to just not be really able to comunicate very well.
@@TheDsIEGE "You mad at me kiddo? Remember, you owe me."
Same
I'm getting the feeling MitW wants us to follow him somewhere. Don't know where and don't know why. Maybe... Titan??? Maybe... To show us the true nature of the void???
I remember when I first completed the quest and he was just their, I just sat their and watched him for a minute
That blank stare gets me every time.
He is too confusing to me, there was a time that everyday he was there, but it's been soooooooo long since I haven't seen him
And yes I do believe that he's always there lurking around
I'm scared to be honest
So he really does have your fear. That's exactly what he wants, tenno.
Tbh I haven't played Warframe in a long time, the last time I was on my ship I didn't see him but I did hear him for sure. That alone gave me chills
He used to appear for me but now I just look around for him and I've never forgotten the horror of the encounters nor the quest ive even told my freind who are new and started a day or two ago that the chains of horror is horrifying but never did I mention the man in the wall cause I want them to know what it's like to come to their "safe" orbiter and see him
I don't have wally because the capture mission for the bastreds ghosts are hard tell me witch weapon is good against his ghosts
"People fear what they don't understand."
And that's the only reason why they won't ever explain him
The unknown causes fear, fear then causes anger, anger to hate, and hate to lashing out and to lash out is usually related in atepts to kill or rid of such things that caused it in the first place.
He showed up for the first time in a year yesterday and now you make a video about him... Coincidence? I think not!
Of course not!!!
First times i was creeped out, but now years later i am excited like: "Oh! Weirdo is here! Let's bully him!"
The way I see the smaller quests is that they are setting up the background for the big stories. It seems like these side quests are becoming more and more connected, as seen with The Deadlock Protocol. I think the reason that some people didn’t like Heart of Deimos is because they expected it to be a big quest that had major effects on the story. But if you look at it from the perspective that it is setting up the Entrati and their characters, I think it did a good job at explaining their situation and relationships. I really hope all these things, like the heart, the entrati, the necramechs, Parvos Granum, the time travel stuff, the cosmic clock, etc, are all going to be important to the major story later. Because I think that would make it all the more impactful, and give a much bigger narrative purpose to these side quests.
I suppose we'll see. I'm just not really digging them, Deadlock protocol actually was pretty good, but heart of deimos, fortuna, even the plains had stories that didn't intrigue me. I don't think the story has to be long to be good, too. I just didn't care for them. Personal preference, I hold no ill will to anyone who thinks differently. Truth be told, I'm glad you like them because that just shows the diverse group the game can appeal too.
@@TheDsIEGE well I totally agree that they are nowhere near as good as the main quests. But I am hoping that they will tie into the main story, otherwise these side quests will be just that, side quests. But if they are setting up for something larger, then they will be given purpose by it, we just are unable to see that purpose as of yet. People have always complained about connection in the game, and I think that connecting the story elements would be a good place to start. Also, have you heard about the secret message that Natah sent us during Orphix Venom? I take that you probably didn’t play much considering that you don’t like necramechs, but it seems to be hinting at some things to come in the New War. (Which better not be delayed past this year or I am gonna die from waiting!). Another Great Video tho, I always enjoy hearing your opinion and theories!
I’m playing a game while listening to this vid in the background and every single time that I hear the “hey kiddo” once I start to get into the game a bit more I jump up a little bit, also if I had to choose my favorite moment in warframe it would probably have to be when the Tenno wakes up on lua, just hearing that beautiful music while that stalker is actually questioning who and what he is while our Tenno does the same was just fascinating to me.
Hell if I ever redownloaded the game it would probably be to experience that moment again, or when they finally release the new war so I can mount the lotus’s head on a wall in my ship.
That is a damn good one too... Sure would like more of these types of moments in the game, you know?
@@TheDsIEGE agreed, hopefully outriders will do well enough to give DE some motivation, speaking of, do u think you’ll make a vid on outriders when it comes out? I’d love hear what u think about the game and maybe see some build videos on it?
Same, honestly i just make 1 account, finish all main story quest, get bored and close the game until a year or something and make another account XD
My theory still is that he's a part of you and there for never gone, and the "Hey Kiddos" are his displays of when your connection is at its strongest or to ensure connection hasn't dulled.
I agree with you, all except the when he shows part. I think he and he alone knows why he decides to show when he does...
Warframe = Persona
Lotus = Anima
Man in the Wall = Shadow
Operator = Self
@@chiffmonkey Hotel = Trivago
Yes that's also my theory. He lives inside you. He's usually playing with you instead of trying to just scare the hell out of you. Just look at his spawn points, it's always near key parts of the Orbiter where youd look for information, prepare for missions, buy something at the market, or even just rest in your room, and he never just show up in a cryptic way, sometimes he's just chilling there, other times he shows up upside down hanging from the cables. It's like he is enjoying having the freedom to materialize in the physical world using your body. He is testing what he can do with it. At times it almost seems like he was bored waiting for you to return with your Warframe. Before Rell's death he probably dwelled inside him as well. But Rell never trully understood that or why, he seemed to think the Man in the Wall was following him.
We don't know why but it was clear that the Man in the wall has an objective that he cannot fulfill himself and requires someone or at least access to a body to fulfill it. He had chosen Rell for it. And now he chose us. Now this is just my opinion but there is probably something else aside from the Orokin, Sentients, the other races and the Tenno's allies. Something only the Man in the wall knows, maybe as old as the Void itself. And the Man in the Wall's objective, might be to retrieve that, or to find it.
@@chiffmonkey
'Wally' = Conscience
Operator = Shadow
Think about it, TMITW is not the mass murdering, assassin/commando/terrorist . . . 'We' are.
Ohhh Siege... the truth is much more terrifying than you think. You see, the man in the wall isn't always onboard the orbiter... he is always following you. Be it in the orbiter, your railjack, or the field... watching...
"Don't forget, kiddo... you're nothing without me."
That's way worse!
@@TheDsIEGE Told you!
Now imagine this: You are on a mission - your warframe in the field, while you are safely sitting in the Somatic Link. But then suddenly, through the metallic shell you hear:
"rap...
tap...
tap..."
@@akhannar9368 bang on the inner wall. "SHUT THE F UP WALLY I'VE GOT MATS TO FARM"
Me: Okay, I have farmed for a while, time to finally build Lavos.
The Man in the Wall: *Hey kiddo.*
Me: Holy f- go away creep!
Flashback of PsyCoCinematics "analyzing" the Chains of Harrow quest intensifies.
I haven't seen that one! He's one of my favorite youtubers as well. Gonna have to check that one out!
The problem is,hes not just watching us. Even if he were just watching,lets not forget,hes a part of the void,the void is malicious,but uncaring. The problem is he can make us dream. Whats scarier than a void monstrosity staring at you menacingly? When that same monster can create vision so vivid,theyre like actual missions. Its not the fact hes watching us,its what hes capable of that should induce fear in us. Then again,he could just be taunting us,and hes actually good. I always had this idea that he wants to be the new Lotus,as shown with him wearing her headdress. It all depends on how you see him.
Actually, he might be the one pulling the strings all along. If Ordis was able to upload tasks to do and replicate the Lotus’s exact voice and pitch, then she might’ve been a puppet. After all Natah says she was trapped in Alia along with the Tenno
Imagine if he moved your decoration sometimes
That would be terrifying, annoying and awesome all at once!
I would throw a hissy fit. Unless he moved it back in which case A++ trolling.
Best game mission in Warframe ever
Without Question!!!!!
Imagine if you knew how every joke ended, how it could have changed, all variable outcomes and good laughs ruined, would that be entertaining? So why not go over somewhere were you cant predict the outcome, sit back and wacht as everything unfolds before your eyes, kido
Imagine that, huh? Maybe he does...
I completely forgot he existed. He has not visited me in 3 months
Or maybe he just hasn't decided to say hello... Doesn't mean he's not there.
Same, it's been like 4 months and I play regularly and spend hours making fashionframe
@@TheDsIEGE he is probably somewhere in the ship hiding. But at this point I am more afraid of my kavat Kitkat that hides equally and loves to jumpscare me
I remember the first time i heard the "hey kiddo". I was terrified. On the switch version of warframe however your screen will actually be zoomed out for a sec before wall-e decides to just pop into existance, meaning you had a way of knowing he was about to spawn. On pc however i just never walk around the orbiter and always use fast travel. i only walk around when im in a call with a friend cuz im legit scared of it. I love Chains of Harrow but goddamn do i regret doing it. And then when he popped up after The Sacrifice it got me thinking as to what the hell happened. My operator saying that he killed Issah was one of the most confusing things ever. I still think about that and come to think of it, what if umbra is able to speak through us in a way? Like, while we are controlling him, Umbra can communicate through our operator, meaning wall-e isnt speaking to you but rather Umbra. Just a thought i had.
That is an interesting and damn terrifying thought. And you know what? I like it.
I'm with you...I hope DE gets back to real story telling, like this.
I believe "The Man in the Wall" to be an enhanced reflection of our psyche. The way he behaves and his actions, to me, point in that direction.
I think it's our shadow self, but you're theory is good too
“Hey kiddo”
I feel like ive heard this somewhere else
(handsome jack intensifies)
You know what's the saddest part? I can never find him in my orbiter. I heard him countless times and seen the subtitles, but once I heard it I immediately started searching for him, and I only managed to actually see him once
I'm just annoyed the man in the wall isn't paying rent.
" H E Y K I D D O"
"Oh hey Wally."
* doesn't even look up, keeps walking by while scrolling on phone*
1:09 havent finished to video yet but i want to say chains of harrow really stuck with me as i have aspergers so it really struck a chord with me how rell struggled at some points
It's real world association with some very serious concepts like what you mentioned and suffer from as well as the fact that it's a thrilling, well put together quest is what really stands out and shows how capable DE is regarding quests with meaning. I'd like to see more of that in future. If it resonated with you in a way that has positively affected your life, I mean... how much more can you ask from a video game you know? Very powerful stuff here...
@@TheDsIEGE It is super powerful, even today i just think about rells struggles and its quite emotional. On a slightly light note compared to struggling, i did find myself struggling with the emotion cards. I mean that kind of adds up
DE confirmed years ago that Rell indeed has autism.
@@thimovijfschaft3271 Yeah its a definite, though i feel its much closer to aspergers
Personally I have PDDNOS and I could relate to Rell as a kid. My understanding of thing has changed a lot when I got older and stuff (This doesn't mean that I fully understand emotions and stuff.) so part of my liked it, but the other part of me also felt like they were creating yet again another stereotype to associate autistic people with. People on the spectrum are all SUPER different from eachother you can't really depict us in media and make it help people understand us because that just creates people pushing us into corners we don't belong in tbh. I am very talkative and social but my girlfriend is more quiet and more introverted (I'm still actually also an introvert but just a very social one but that's not really relevant for my comment) but we both have PDDNOS.
My headcanon; it's a Specter of your own Tenno
How do you know we are not a specter of him?
It's gonna be sad when/if Wally actually get's explained/expanded on.
Yeah, it will be a little... Well, that actually depends upon the manner in which he is explained. We'll see....
One thing popped into my head while hearing you talk about someone constantly stalking you in your own comfort area: Ordis
He was forcibly programmed to do that at least. Wally just kinda be there
I was hey kiddo'd 5/7 days this year. so far so good
He's taking a serious interest in you. Maybe you should watch out...
Whats your alignment in warframe?
Center light...
this thing just jump scares me every single time and ive been playing for like 10 months
Me too, don't feel bad. I think he knows when I'm not paying attention at this point.
"You can have it for 20 plat...10 plat...i'll give it for free...EHHH i'll PAY you to extract it from the ship" -BNP
Oh, just as you once said: “It’s just only the beginning. The best [and other iconic] things are yet to come.” I might be wrong in quotation, but I sense that Warframe is going to hit again just like the game did with the operator addition. I said the same thing to the LifeOfRio.
You may have your Warframe out on a mission, controlled by your Tenno on the ship... with the Man in the Wall watching the real you.
Bro that one gote me goosebumps 😂
Deep indeed
Me too!
God this channel is a gem I'm gonna start playing warframe again just because of these videos. I love when people speaking wich passion such as this. But onto the topic, having his presence on the ship is terrifying yet somehow comforting knowing that you arent alone in the vastness of space. That dosnt mean I eont crap my pants ever time he jumpscares me.
2:17 This question and the words that follow cut DEEP into my soul 😭
That's how iconic moments work
Love your channel
Just for this vid I love you so much. I got chills and the hairs standing up at the back of my head. I'm at work good Sir. I do not need the though of The Man in the wall peaking out of my back room whenever I look up. Lol great vid!!!
Honestly I love it! Today after work within 3 mins of logging into the game he was there at the codex, I'm facing navigation, did quick left 180, seen it for a split sec, huge jump scare and said out load HOLY SHIT!
The MIGHTY SEER is the most iconic thing in warframe
I think of him as just a friend who pops in when he's bored.
He also sometimes mentions about the sacrifice quest. He'll start asking questions about isaah
The phone call isn't coming from inside the house! It's coming from inside you! AAAAAAAAAH!
once he literally appeared stuck in the ceiling outside the helminth room struggling to get out and i was like "damn"
They show up WAY TOO OFTEN in my orbiter, however now I get worried when I DON’T see him
I felt I was mentally ready for the chains of Harrow quest when I did it. When it ended there was a sense of loss I felt, and while returning to the orbiter, I kept thinking... What do they mean we will have to take up Rel's duty now. Thought I'd shrug it off and once I came back my eye went to the Inaros decoration on the floor next to my codex and then there were the words. My heart plummeted like 60 feet before I dared look up to it. And the horror when I saw that it was the man, with my operators body. I instantly used transference and to my relief I still had control of my operator and then I ran back and he wasn't there. A couple more appearances and I realized, wherever there's void energy, the void is there too... The relinquary drive wasn't a massive surprise as a result, but terrifying nonetheless. Don't think m getting over this one 😅
thank you, just thank you for terrifying me to the point that now i dont wanna even turn around in my orbiter, just THANK YOU!
I want an option narratively to full on side with the man in the wall, preferably even replacing the lotus with him as your mission narrator; my neutral evil mercenary tenno taking his marching orders straight from satan sounds way too hilarious and awesome to not be a thing.
Also, The Man In The Wall isn't on the ship, not really. You may see him peering around walls or sitting on your control desk, but he isn't really there. No, it's far worse than just a physical entity turning invisible; he is inside your eyes, in your head, in your very soul. The image you see of him standing around isn't really him, he's simply projecting himself onto your vision, into your mind. You are never alone, he is always there, always inside you and alongside you.
Man in the wall is the personification of insanity in its purest form. I heard people who'd left Warframe began to see him IRL
I don't mind living with a ghost in a ship as long as I can control robot ninjas when the ghost appears.
I've always thought the Man in the Wall is just representation of Tenno going crazy, and that he isn't real. If you think about it, those kids have had so much physical and mental trauma it's a wonder they can even function. Man in the Wall-more like Man in the Mirror.
He's not in your orbiter, he's in your mind. If anything, that makes him even scarier.
I always do a scan of any room I'm in. Just a subconscious thing I've done for some time, but I definitely feel it in warframe. I always do a few quick bullet jumps down to the arsenal and back to be sure.
At the same time, I love it when it shows up. As you say it doesn't do anything, that we know of, and I find that somewhat comforting.
I guess I kinda like having my own little friend around.
I think the man in the wall is the void bringing out your inner most fears of your operator
I EXPECT HIM to be there, that’s how much he shows up for me. Like an annoying sibling or roommate who won’t leave you alone.
It is really crazy how the first Man in the Wall encounter changes you. The MitW hasn't revealed himself to me for months now but even the slightest lag entering my orbiter prompts an immediate search, along with the de-escalating question of "is there a friend in my orbiter?" Even though the MitW is far from a friend, it helps me not jump as much. Even still, the concept that you brought up makes a lot of sense, which is terrifying. The fact that he never leaves and might be behind you or in another room, just not saying his typical 2-word tag line. It really is something to think about, and I hope that DE would consider expanding on this idea in the future
I couldn't agree with you more. It was the reason I needed to make this video.
Speaking about spoopy times...
Remember old stalker? Just screen flicker, then suddenly tile goes on lockdown and he appears. No big screens announcing him. Perhaps at best subtitle of his threat.
Now, as first time fighting against the old stalker, you were going to be put on edge. This stalker's AI made him fight more like a warframe. Stealthing out, firing shot of two from bow and then going for kill with melee. He had ways to cancel out status effects off him, knock you off his back and other stuff like that. Before I got overgeared for him, the fights were always a dread to expect.
Current stalker? He comes with loud announcement, fights like a mediocre boss with invincibility phases, telepraphs his attacks so hard you could call him Glass Joe.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.
Joseph Heller,
Ive always noticed how the Man in thr Wall never looks at our frames but looks where the camera is.
That's because he's trying to get your attention, not your avatar in game...
The fact that he can end up talking to you about the sacrifice quest
I have never met The man in the wall in my orbiter... i will begin to check it every time i finish something
Chills down my spine, every goddamn time it wispers in my ear. *__*
Good to know I'm not alone in searching my orbiter after every mission for Wally. Though if I'm being honest, they don't freak me out any more - I more miss them at this point.
It definitely helps that I've read Punch_Detective's fanfics on AO3, which give more personality to them though headcanons (they're in the operator Rev Tal stories, which are a good read and I would recommend).
Literally every time I get to the orbiter I make a pass...
6:57 There is a phrase for that. Cosmic horror. It's the same thing that makes the Cthulhu mythos so good. That fear of the unknown and the unknowable. Something so massive and powerful that it's behind our comprehension and learning it's secrets will destroy your mind and soul all at once.
when he said 10:00 I was like
My childhood nightmare is real.... those weren't just clothes.
I'm actually rather glad to see him. He's become an old friend just stopping by for a visit.
Just think about it the man in the wall gave the sentients their consciousness.
I dunno, the 'man in the wall' never really bothered me. in fact for a while I tought it was my operator and i missed some update where my wf and my operator could walk separately (after all it happened in a quest if i recall). then after i relaised it was him, i just greeted him back. I always tought of him like an old friend who sometimes calls you up to have a coffee and a chat then disappears for weeks or months.
I agree with you about the story. Ill never forget the wonder and amazement when first discovering what our characters really are. It was awesome. That really made me want to play the game even more because i thought at first it was just another f2p looter and shooter, just to make it to that storyline and having to pick my jaw off of the ground and re-lubricate my eyes. Now its been a few years and im waiting and hoping that they will give us another moment thats at least at that level of "surprise!"
But sadly, in my experience, usually with something like that, even in movies, cartoons, tv series, etc, when you get a moment of grandeur and wonder and amazement, wow factor seems to drop shortly after and is hard to match, let alone to top it....but heres hoping DE can do it.
good lord this quest gave me PTSD, especially the man in the wall part, like shit went from 0-100 so quick i thought i was playing a horror game
I get him frequently which is nerve racking and one time I almost felt like I had a heart attack since my earphones was full volume when he said "HEY KIDDO"
I like how "Hey Kiddo" was hinted at waaaaaay back in the The War Within. Just set up, and then "Wally" shows up and brings it back.
First of all, I remember him showing up in the orbiter for me much time before I went through Chains of Harrow. After the War Within to be more specific.
Second, This scores second place for me. Why, you ask?
"Remember kid. You Owe Me."
War Within was amazing...
The Man In The Wall's obsession with the Protagonist.
My take is that it's less that they 'have our fear'; rather, they are just marinating in their own victory. Poking and prodding at the protag; taunting them with the one consistent memory (regardless of choice) they have of their time in the Void.
Whatever their end game is, they are confident that they have already won: regardless of what choices the player makes.
The only conclusion that I can draw from this is; it's the protagonist's very existence that makes the Man In The Wall believe they've won.
Spoilers past this point.
The most clear use the MITW could garner from the Tenno is their ability to contend with the Sentient. Unless there's some goofy third-act twist DE wants to throw in (like making the Lotus a quintuple agent or whatever), there's something the Sentient have (or, something they can become) that the MITW wants; but they can never properly commune as the Void is deadly to them. The Tenno are the unsuspecting (or even unwilling) ambassadors to MITW's schemes.
I like this theory!
When I came back from a survival mission he said something along the lines of "even the gods dont know they are being watched" :p
I'm too curious to be scared by shy guy. Every time I hear it, I look around and it's too late, he's already left. "Come back, I just want to play with you!"
Just an inner demon, the yin to your yang, not even that worrisome
Aslo i will never forget the time when i completed the Sacrifice and 1-2 week after he just appears after a random mission and asked me about Isaah, something like :
Him: "feeling better, kiddo?"
Operator: "I killed him...Isaah"
Him: "Is that how you remember it?"
Operator: "Yes"
Him: "Good" then vanishes.
Seriously the most interesting and frightening encounter with him. Because at this moment could i feel that he never left and he always watches.
rell kept the man in the wall busy, now that he's gone and the man in the wall is now allowed to look where he wants.
This is actually my favorite thing in warframe...when he finally reveals himself I get a huge grin
He is also on your railjack when you chill out in it. had him pop up on the powercore finger in the back
I always thought he was always sitting on the ship, rent free, doing nothing, I expect one day to come back to the orbiter and see him and Umbra (the other lazy rent free person on the orbiter) playing on the Ludoplex
I love this
I still mess with a few of my friends with "Hey kiddo" when I answer the phone or sneak up behind them to say hi. A couple of them told me it still scares the snot out of them when the Man in the Wall appears in game.
I'm happy each time I see it celebrating not being alone anymore! Then I get as when it leaves.
The man in the wall is... Inaros
*From brooding gulfs are we beheld by that which bears no name*
Yes, this quest is the most momentarily remembered to me, since there's horror elements in it. And i dont even wanna reply the quest anymore.
The idea of Wally being always behind us is exactly like what Lisa did in P. T after a certain point she's always behind you.
I dont know why but his presence pleases me because with him i don't feel alone
I like this perspective!!!
He T-poses over the pet station when not active, lol.
man I miss the old story-driven Warframe, the ending of your video felt soooo familiar.
I wish they kept the strange things like the strange Excalibur transmission while doing missions in the void, the guy was THE biggest mystery for me and my friends back then.
Nowadays we are only two remnants of an oldening clan, progressively washed out by the boring nonsensical updates and poor decision coming from DE.
The old flashlight that meant something back when Grineer tilesets were dark, the various gore effects when you slashed the flesh or the red text in loading screen, what are those? Even the scary manics attacks were cool... So many forgotten pieces from the past.
But even though a few of those old things are gone, Rell still remains.
750 days in and I've had the 'Hey Kiddo' thing once.