I am almost 61...and started a year and a half ago. Did not know what I was doing at first. So Field Work is the key!! Back in June a couple came to visit me for a day and we went to a local course. and the guy's girlfriend would always do the standstill throw like you are doing. She was throwing nearly 300 feet from ma standstill position. I was in awe Lol's one drill I work on to throw straight and flat is found a spot on a school grounds that has a double row of trees about 12-15 ft. apart with low hanging branches. I stand at one end, and have to keep my disc underneath that low ceiling ( 6-8 foot ceiling) and that has helped me immensely. It solved my problem of releasing nose up
Love the feed back I’ll have to find a spot like that to work on nose angle, I’m getting better but still release nose up at times, it’s a common mistake of mine. Thanks once again thanks for feedback, I love hearing what others have done to get better, it only makes us all better golfers
@@DiscManiac28 you are welcome. we all need help in some way. I am probably the ONLY disc golfer in America though that always wears "gloves" when I throw. Lol's people look at me weird Lol's some kids last Friday at the course were asking me; "...you throw with gloves all the time..."?? I found a nice pair of gloves at a Big Box store ( Menards) that have a polypropolene palm that totally solved the problem of having a disc slip out of my hand. I watch the pro's constantly trying to dry their hands / fingers to avoid a "slip"...and I never have to worry about that. The first very cold October morning I tried them out, I realized after the first throw, that I threw just as well if not better than with my bare hand. Lol's.
@@StartGierach thanks very interested, I’ve never thought about using gloves but I like the idea and take on it. I’m gonna have to give it a try and see what I think lol
I did a similar thing to this just yesterday and had a very similar result. Threw similar distance drives at a stand still just by focusing on my footing, the weight transfer, and my timing. It's easy to get ahead of yourself, especially as a beginner like myself, trying to do the runup or the x-step and not focusing on the fundamentals and the actual physics behind what makes the disc go far.
It’s really an eye opener, it’s nice to hear people are having same reaction as I did. It helped my form so much cause it taught me to keep my weight back and not fall over foot.
I have been in awe of Niklaus Antilla's backhand form lately, I love the way that guy plays! I try to copy what he does at least lately. yesterday tried to start throwing rollers. being 61 yrs old I don't have the power all the young whipper snappers have, so to try and break that 300 foot obstacle, I think I can learn to throw rollers this summer.???
Yea I meaning you can get a good roller it’s the furthest way to throw a disc for sure, I’m constantly videoing my form and tweaking little things to try and get more distance in a effortless way
I recently watched a video from Gannon Buhr about backhand form. He said that instead if pulling your arm forward into the power pocket, twists your shoulders, which automatically pulls your arm into the power pocket. I tried and it seems to help.
All great points.. the hard part is getting my body to do the things I want it to do.. and not just one time, but consistently. I played baseball up through high school then slow pitch softball after that and so I think I have a lot of muscle memory to overcome. I’ve gained about 50-60 ft over the past year working on grip and timing, but my longest throws happen at times and I have no idea why. I think between this and keeping the nose down, if I can overcome those issues I’ll go from 380ish for golf lines to 450. Is that quite a jump? Yes. But I’ve thrown 450 a couple times and once I hit 467. So I appreciate the pointers. Great video man.
I totally get it, I played high school football and then college football so I know I’m decently athletic but it was hard getting my body to move the way I wanted it to. Lots of little adjustments. 380 to 450 is a jump but it’s not near as much of one as most people think. I feel like I’m right on the brink of hitting 500ft. If you have hit 467 then you know it’s 100% something you can accomplish and once you get all timing worked out won’t be no biggie
@@DiscManiac28 yeah I saw that already which is why I mentioned it. I feel like my grip helped a lot but I still find myself throwing nose up way too often.
Great video. I’ve been practicing standing still to find the perfect power pocket, snap and release. Just like your video. That’s what needs to be mastered. The run up and x step will help you throw it farther, but it’s useless until you get the snap and release mastered. Follow through becomes natural if it’s released properly. I found what helped me was to have a FIRM grip on the disc. About 75% of your full grip power on the disc. When it rips out of your hand you hear the snap and it spins way more. My wrist is also slightly cocked, nose of the disc ever so slightly down. Everyone has their own way of doing some things differently, but that power pocket, snap and release is truly the key for distance.
Ya bud! I’m gonna practice it! It’s super important shot real well this morning, putting was locked. But also watch Drew Gibson video on power I forget which but there is one where he describes your hips and shoulders at the point of brace trying to bust through a door on a hinge. I did that immediately and it helped with the snap and pull through. Also the slingshot guy on his back foot load up imagining pushing backward right before you step into your brace. Mastering that balance can improve your consistency in your power which ultimately not every shot will be perfect but getting snap consistently is going to lower your score so these tips like your tip off arm timing, brace leg shoulder door bust down, and slingshot x step back foot lag weight back all make the difference once a few practice sessions. I’m going to take your advice and mess with my reach back at different angles. I still need to get that honed in.
It’s simple but very complicated at same time so hard to give tips without hurting peoples form or having them work on things the wrong way, cause the last thing I wanna do is give people bad habits to break, but yes all of what you said is great points, I’m still working on all of it and trying to get my timing down pack
Great advice, & thanks very much. Athletically inclined my whole life. Never played “arm” sports, all legs (Soccer, cycling, skiing - Canadian, eh!). I took up disc golf 5mths ago & have been stuck at ~ 300ft on drives. I’ll be trying your drill(s), & can already sense that timing is pretty much everything. Regards ✌🏼
Very welcome glad you are seeing the “timing”. I’m one of the many that struggled at 300-350, now that I’ve figured a few things out in my own perspective I just wanna share it. Glad it’s helping and I’ll have future videos on little things that have helped me along the way:) glad to hear from ya, love having feedback
Engaging your off hand/arm forward and downward after your body rotation occurs that brings your throwing arm back; creates more stretch in the throwing arm side of your body that engages your throwing arm to go forward and if you allow your throwing arm to be loose enough the shoulder then elbow then forearm and then your hand will sling foward because of that counter tension created from the opposite directions of both arms at the point of body rotated with throwing arm back and off arm moved foward down and close to the body.
I needed to comment this. SNAP is the most misunderstood word in disc golf. It has nothing to do with sound. Snap is the last "powerful" movement of the wrist (even fingers) when the disc leaves from your hand. Like the end of the whip. If I remember correct, word SNAP is from Blake Takkunen who was teaching disc golf somewhere in early 2000s. It is not a good word, because it is always mixed with the sound. Still really good video and really good tips! Standstill is the way to go.
@@DiscMK good info to know on snap, I can see how the snap gets mixed up with action and sound. I usually have audible sound on my good throws but sometimes have good throws without the loud sound.
Good video. Off arm seems to do more for timing and core stiffness than it does for the ballerina effect. The throw includes a spin but the spin happens only at the end and everything else is forward momentum into the brace. You would lose some from letting your off arm hang straight out but having it down vs tucked vs punched is not really different. I found that if you start your off arm tuck at the same time as the brace then your arm is fully tucked by the time you’re in the power pocket and the squeezing of core muscles during this move helps your brace.
I’ve heard (and believe) that with proper timing, bringing your off arm down and tight pulls your back shoulder in, which forces the front shoulder to open, increasing the speed of the pull.
I'm 68 and have been playing for a very long time. As I got older I stopped doing the run/walk up and do standstill only. It gives me about the same distance but is more controllable. Try taking a step with the front foot to get more power into the brace when you put your foot down. Good video.
Love the feed back, I’m gonna have to try that out. Kinda like a left handed baseball bat swing? In baseball you pic up front foot to engage hips for the swing.
Buddy is exactly right! Make sure that you keep your hips "closed" as you plant. In other words, be sure that your heel is slightly closer to the target than your toes. (When I was coming up in little league, the coaches told us to "squish the bug" with our heel.)
Lol that’s funny, it didn’t have a name on it so I had no idea who it was, glad I found it and you noticed it. Let me know when you wanna meet and I’ll give it back to ya
I have not seen a video that describes this technique yet and i think it is the key i am missing for power on my backhand! Are your throws with this method inaccurate or were you able to hone it in?
At first I didn’t really care were they went just wanted to feel the snap, but after I started realizing I was getting more power, yes I was able to start worrying about accuracy and it wasn’t a problem to hone it in. I’m not accurate at all times but I didn’t lose any accuracy at all, and if anything gained some
Pros don’t make a sound dude ….. One of the most impressive things when you see them in person Snap in disc golf has nothing to do with sound It’s synonymous with the hit
If your fingers are making noise when the disc leaves your hand, you're likely holding the disc far too tightly. It is NOT an indicator of anything other than that. Does every person that throws far have an audible sound coming from their fingers when throwing? No...
Your right there are several pros that throw very far and the isn’t really any noise, but Drew Gibson, Eagle McMahon, Aaron Gossage, Paul Ulibarri are just some that I can think of off the top of my head that have that audible sound when they throw, As for me when I hear that and feel it come out of my hand it’s 99% of the time a higher velocity with more spin throw.
This is factually incorrect. Anyone throwing past 500ft has snap when they throw. It’s part of the form being perfect. Do you have to do it? No, but if you want to throw far you need it.
@@DiscManiac28jomez coverage doesn’t do it Justice. Go watch in person and I bet you have a different opinion. Ask me how I know…. I went to DGLO and was mind blown
I think you wanna keep the off hand moving to the same direction as your body in general. Don't "hit" it down like you did it in this video, it's energy wasted to wrong direction. Just bring it naturally close to your body. Maybe it was exaggerated for demonstration purposes but if you look at the pros, the movement is smooth and natural. Think you could turn your head and torso more backwards prior to throwing, although it might be difficult when throwing stationary and I don't know how flexible you're (we're all different!). And just like in ball golf, you should not follow the disc with your eyes once it leaves your hand, instead let your head and body go to the direction of the momentum. Otherwise you'll slow down the rotation. Audience will tell you it was a great shot!
Actually, I'd say, concentrate more on how you "load energy" to the off hand before throwing than bringing it close to body. Your body is a spring that stores energy when twisted and the off-hand is the twisting lever. And throwing is more about torso muscles. Perhaps check some videos of pros throwing stationary. Usually when throwing while running the "loading" is rather natural and once loaded the energy comes out rather naturally, but again, we're different. What works for somebody else doesn't necessary work for you, or me. It depends on individual core muscles and the only way to train them is using them (smartly).
Yea it was more for demonstration purposes but I agree with what your saying for sure. Those are good points i could turn more in a standstill I’m decently flexible, I’m gonna try that and see what happens.
Not a bad thought, yea don’t wanna start creating bad habits, during a round I do run ups, this drill has helped a lot with falling over my brace leg, I go back to it from time to time
You have one straight shot in all your example throws. Every single shot was subpar, if I can be so blunt. What is the "50 Ft of distance in ONE DAY!!!" tip? Unless you were throwing 75 feet before, I can't see it.
Well.. I said in the video I wasn’t worrying about accuracy in this drill… and I wasn’t throwing 50ft further with this drill, it was because of this drill I gained distance in my normal run up throw, the drill was just helping me learn the feeling of getting spin on the disc. Regardless it 100% helped me and I wanted to share it.
@@DiscManiac28 oh, I see. So you practicing standstill improved your form? Why didn't you say so? That's obviously correct. Everybody should practice their backhand before even dreaming of the xstep.
It helped me a lot, I just kept throwing a stand still until I started feeling the snap happen and realizing I was getting a lot more spin on disc. Not 100% there yet but was a good start
this video was very confusing from a viewers standpoint, i see the progression of your "story" but it seems very.... all over the place.. I also think you have some misconceptions as well and the title is very click-baity and you never even acknowleged the title. in the 1st throw you have a solid brace and thats one of the most important things from a drive. You also talked about how you normally throw on a hyzer and want to throw flat. You want to throw on a hyzer tilt. Most coaches all agree. your zone went straight because there was more spin on the disc than usual. more spin=more straight! Glad you are making progess on your journey with the BH form!
Thanks for feedback I’m happy to hear anyone’s comments even if it critiques little things I do. I wanna be a great content creator and better disc golfer. I’m still growing in sport and I didnt realize video was all over place just wanted to help people with the progress in which I improved my backhand, from just using arm, to off arm, and then lower body. The backhand fix I was taking about in thumbnail was not falling over my brace leg. It’s helped me a lot to not fall over front foot, and with this fix I was generating more spin on disc and that was creating more distance. Sorry if this video was confusing for anyone, just wanna give little tips Ive found along the way with my disc golf journey. I’ll remember the things you have pointed out in future videos because I want my content to not be confusing at all, lol
@@DiscManiac28 yeah the best advice for going down that Content creator road is, if you think anything is sloppy, dont put it in and re-film it. audio is more important than video, (you will get more from you audiance with poor vidoe quality and great audio vs terrible audio and great video) .. yours was fine! Maybe find some people you can share the video with 1st and they can give input, Take your time, write a scipt and stick to it.. have your talking points and try not to get off topic. as for the off-arm i think most people agree that it just has to be tucked in to the body and be tight from the elbow up.. having your hand come in 1st isnt that important. One thing you demonstrated very well with your standstill and only using upper body is you didnt move your head at all, which a lot of people do and is bad.. its a pretty hard habbit to break! Imma hit that sub button and look forward to your content. I have a DG discord. if you hop in have get feedback as well. discord.gg/Qyxa9r4WE
@@jerkwagon appreciate everything, this is some great points and advice, appreciate subscribing to channel. I like the way you address it, I’ve had some pretty mean comments… which I know will happen it’s part of having a channel but it’s nice to have someone bring points to light the way you did.
This advice is great. Seriously in just one day of practice i finally understand pulling the disc into my chest and also with bring my arm in. Already gained distance and also the discs are flying how they should. Thank you so much!
Another good takeaway from those pro clips is staying on your toes during the run up! That probably helps generate alot of snap once you pivot into the throw and transfer your weight to the heel of your brace leg.
I have come back to this video multiple times over the past month to share with my friends in hope they will benefit in the way I did from it. I started playing this year in late June and instantly got the bug, I had over 60 rounds by the end of August alone and was constantly struggling with my backhand and the tips in this video after some field work helped me tremendously. I was able to go from a very inconsistent and uncomfortable 200ft x step backhand and am now throwing close to 350ft drives stand still(max distance is 355ft in a field) I was struggling a bit with the reach back location until you uploaded the spin video last week and my gosh the combination of the 2 videos has helped my long game and approach game soo much its been a complete game changer. I came back to comment and say thank you as I was really starting to get down on myself not seeing the improvements I wanted until I watched your videos. Much love❤
I came back to add something to this because I forgot to in my original comment, but the week I watched this video I went out and practiced it the first round I played after I got my very first ace at 224ft and then a week after that I hit my second ace at 214ft both with the buzzz which has become one of my favourite discs for straight lines
Dude, that is so awesome to hear, it makes me so happy to hear about people overcoming their struggles in the game, and yours is a great story, I couldn’t be more happy for ya. I appreciate all compliments and the feedback. It really is so cool to me that you have improved that much in such little time:) keep up the good work
Awesome. I'm 67 and just started playing July 4th of this year. I twisted my right knee trying to throw a backhand like I'm a 25 yr old pro. Since then (3weeksago) I've thrown nothing but 4hands. Because of that my 4hand is getting pretty accurate. However, some shots have to be made using a backhand (long dogleg left). So now that my knee is almost back to normal, I need to try what you suggest before I use a backhand on the course. I used to play a lot of competitive tennis and thought I had a pretty good 1-handed backhand. However, I've struggled with the discgolf backhand. So thanks for the tips. I'll let you know how it turns out.
This video gave me a realization on why watching videos and even taking advice is difficult. Everything teaches you how to do things "correct," then you have to figure where to create your lag. So you have to learn how to do things "correct," then you have to learn to do them correctly wrong lol. This is why lag can be a difficult concept
That’s great, I do this drill still to this day cause it seems to still help with both. I was surprised the first time I started doing this. Great drill
The one thing I notice here is you are pulling diagonally throwing behind yourself. You want to bring the disc in and release around 10 o clock. The zone throw was the proper release
It felt better for sure, I wasn’t paying to much attention to that part of throw but I’ll go back and watch it. I just remember it feeling really good, glad you mentioned it so I will have a reference in future lol
@@DiscManiac28 no prob! It will completely improve your lines, making gaps and throws in general being able to release at 10ish. Imagine if standing still in front is 9 o clock. Bring the disc in to your right peck then extend your arm like you are throwing. This would be 10 o clock. Hope that helps! Took me one year to realize this! Lol
I am almost 61...and started a year and a half ago. Did not know what I was doing at first. So Field Work is the key!! Back in June a couple came to visit me for a day and we went to a local course. and the guy's girlfriend would always do the standstill throw like you are doing. She was throwing nearly 300 feet from ma standstill position. I was in awe Lol's one drill I work on to throw straight and flat is found a spot on a school grounds that has a double row of trees about 12-15 ft. apart with low hanging branches. I stand at one end, and have to keep my disc underneath that low ceiling ( 6-8 foot ceiling) and that has helped me immensely. It solved my problem of releasing nose up
Love the feed back I’ll have to find a spot like that to work on nose angle, I’m getting better but still release nose up at times, it’s a common mistake of mine. Thanks once again thanks for feedback, I love hearing what others have done to get better, it only makes us all better golfers
@@DiscManiac28 you are welcome. we all need help in some way. I am probably the ONLY disc golfer in America though that always wears "gloves" when I throw. Lol's people look at me weird Lol's some kids last Friday at the course were asking me; "...you throw with gloves all the time..."?? I found a nice pair of gloves at a Big Box store ( Menards) that have a polypropolene palm that totally solved the problem of having a disc slip out of my hand. I watch the pro's constantly trying to dry their hands / fingers to avoid a "slip"...and I never have to worry about that. The first very cold October morning I tried them out, I realized after the first throw, that I threw just as well if not better than with my bare hand. Lol's.
@@StartGierach thanks very interested, I’ve never thought about using gloves but I like the idea and take on it. I’m gonna have to give it a try and see what I think lol
I did a similar thing to this just yesterday and had a very similar result. Threw similar distance drives at a stand still just by focusing on my footing, the weight transfer, and my timing. It's easy to get ahead of yourself, especially as a beginner like myself, trying to do the runup or the x-step and not focusing on the fundamentals and the actual physics behind what makes the disc go far.
It’s really an eye opener, it’s nice to hear people are having same reaction as I did. It helped my form so much cause it taught me to keep my weight back and not fall over foot.
I have been in awe of Niklaus Antilla's backhand form lately, I love the way that guy plays! I try to copy what he does at least lately. yesterday tried to start throwing rollers. being 61 yrs old I don't have the power all the young whipper snappers have, so to try and break that 300 foot obstacle, I think I can learn to throw rollers this summer.???
Yea I meaning you can get a good roller it’s the furthest way to throw a disc for sure, I’m constantly videoing my form and tweaking little things to try and get more distance in a effortless way
I recently watched a video from Gannon Buhr about backhand form. He said that instead if pulling your arm forward into the power pocket, twists your shoulders, which automatically pulls your arm into the power pocket. I tried and it seems to help.
That’s an interesting concept, I’m gonna have to definitely check it out
And try it also
All great points.. the hard part is getting my body to do the things I want it to do.. and not just one time, but consistently.
I played baseball up through high school then slow pitch softball after that and so I think I have a lot of muscle memory to overcome.
I’ve gained about 50-60 ft over the past year working on grip and timing, but my longest throws happen at times and I have no idea why. I think between this and keeping the nose down, if I can overcome those issues I’ll go from 380ish for golf lines to 450. Is that quite a jump? Yes. But I’ve thrown 450 a couple times and once I hit 467. So I appreciate the pointers. Great video man.
I totally get it, I played high school football and then college football so I know I’m decently athletic but it was hard getting my body to move the way I wanted it to. Lots of little adjustments. 380 to 450 is a jump but it’s not near as much of one as most people think. I feel like I’m right on the brink of hitting 500ft. If you have hit 467 then you know it’s 100% something you can accomplish and once you get all timing worked out won’t be no biggie
I have a new video out about nose angle and it surprised me the difference in distance between nose up and nose down, crazy stuff
@@DiscManiac28 yeah I saw that already which is why I mentioned it. I feel like my grip helped a lot but I still find myself throwing nose up way too often.
@@natemaas1982 it’s a tough one for sure. I still do it lol
Great Video! It would be cool to see this redone with your recent grip change. I'm soaking your videos up and can't wait to try. My backhand SUUUUCKS.
It would be pretty cool to redo this video and see how it would go. I may look into it, thanks for idea 💡
Great video. I’ve been practicing standing still to find the perfect power pocket, snap and release. Just like your video. That’s what needs to be mastered. The run up and x step will help you throw it farther, but it’s useless until you get the snap and release mastered. Follow through becomes natural if it’s released properly. I found what helped me was to have a FIRM grip on the disc. About 75% of your full grip power on the disc. When it rips out of your hand you hear the snap and it spins way more. My wrist is also slightly cocked, nose of the disc ever so slightly down. Everyone has their own way of doing some things differently, but that power pocket, snap and release is truly the key for distance.
Great points, yea everyone is different it’s cool to see people do slightly different to get same results lol
Really great video, man. Tried the steps you suggested here, and am throwing with a bit more consistency. Thank you!
Very welcome, glad to hear that:) it definitely helps me know that what I’m doing is helping people
Ya bud! I’m gonna practice it! It’s super important shot real well this morning, putting was locked. But also watch Drew Gibson video on power I forget which but there is one where he describes your hips and shoulders at the point of brace trying to bust through a door on a hinge. I did that immediately and it helped with the snap and pull through. Also the slingshot guy on his back foot load up imagining pushing backward right before you step into your brace. Mastering that balance can improve your consistency in your power which ultimately not every shot will be perfect but getting snap consistently is going to lower your score so these tips like your tip off arm timing, brace leg shoulder door bust down, and slingshot x step back foot lag weight back all make the difference once a few practice sessions. I’m going to take your advice and mess with my reach back at different angles. I still need to get that honed in.
It’s simple but very complicated at same time so hard to give tips without hurting peoples form or having them work on things the wrong way, cause the last thing I wanna do is give people bad habits to break, but yes all of what you said is great points, I’m still working on all of it and trying to get my timing down pack
It’s amazing what different angles do to your spin on disc. I kept playing with all variables until things started clicking
Great advice, & thanks very much. Athletically inclined my whole life. Never played “arm” sports, all legs (Soccer, cycling, skiing - Canadian, eh!). I took up disc golf 5mths ago & have been stuck at ~ 300ft on drives. I’ll be trying your drill(s), & can already sense that timing is pretty much everything.
Regards ✌🏼
Very welcome glad you are seeing the “timing”. I’m one of the many that struggled at 300-350, now that I’ve figured a few things out in my own perspective I just wanna share it. Glad it’s helping and I’ll have future videos on little things that have helped me along the way:) glad to hear from ya, love having feedback
Engaging your off hand/arm forward and downward after your body rotation occurs that brings your throwing arm back; creates more stretch in the throwing arm side of your body that engages your throwing arm to go forward and if you allow your throwing arm to be loose enough the shoulder then elbow then forearm and then your hand will sling foward because of that counter tension created from the opposite directions of both arms at the point of body rotated with throwing arm back and off arm moved foward down and close to the body.
I needed to comment this. SNAP is the most misunderstood word in disc golf. It has nothing to do with sound. Snap is the last "powerful" movement of the wrist (even fingers) when the disc leaves from your hand. Like the end of the whip. If I remember correct, word SNAP is from Blake Takkunen who was teaching disc golf somewhere in early 2000s. It is not a good word, because it is always mixed with the sound. Still really good video and really good tips! Standstill is the way to go.
@@DiscMK good info to know on snap, I can see how the snap gets mixed up with action and sound. I usually have audible sound on my good throws but sometimes have good throws without the loud sound.
Good video. Off arm seems to do more for timing and core stiffness than it does for the ballerina effect. The throw includes a spin but the spin happens only at the end and everything else is forward momentum into the brace. You would lose some from letting your off arm hang straight out but having it down vs tucked vs punched is not really different. I found that if you start your off arm tuck at the same time as the brace then your arm is fully tucked by the time you’re in the power pocket and the squeezing of core muscles during this move helps your brace.
I’ve heard (and believe) that with proper timing, bringing your off arm down and tight pulls your back shoulder in, which forces the front shoulder to open, increasing the speed of the pull.
I'm 68 and have been playing for a very long time. As I got older I stopped doing the run/walk up and do standstill only. It gives me about the same distance but is more controllable. Try taking a step with the front foot to get more power into the brace when you put your foot down. Good video.
Love the feed back, I’m gonna have to try that out. Kinda like a left handed baseball bat swing? In baseball you pic up front foot to engage hips for the swing.
Exactly. Step and plant the foot to brace into it
@@buddymc sweet I’ll try it for sure. Thanks for tip
Buddy is exactly right!
Make sure that you keep your hips "closed" as you plant. In other words, be sure that your heel is slightly closer to the target than your toes. (When I was coming up in little league, the coaches told us to "squish the bug" with our heel.)
Yeah, I caught that off-hand trick too. Good job!
I realized it not to long ago and started working on it, I’m still not 100% there but I know what I need to do at least:)
This was very well explained I need to practice this
Thank you, it was a game changer for me, really helped me in a lot of ways. Love the feedback
some pros say hearing snap is actually bad. loud snap means drag.
Thanks great advice !!
Very welcome :)
Nice one, I will try this out!
You found Masons Zone!!!! ❤
Lol thanks so funny
Nicely Done.
Man, where did you get that shirt?
Amazon lol
Well presented, thank you!
Very welcome, thanks you
That Uli Zone is mine! 😂
Is it really?? Lol
Yes I threw it after the mini at yellow on Sunday while waiting for payout lol.
Lol that’s funny, it didn’t have a name on it so I had no idea who it was, glad I found it and you noticed it. Let me know when you wanna meet and I’ll give it back to ya
@@DiscManiac28 appreciate it! I also need you to tech me to throw far enough to birdie that hole 😂
@@masonkittrell8523 ok we can meet up and I’ll give it a shot.. it’s a chunk
Yes!
If you notice with the pros off hand, there elbow is straight
I have not seen a video that describes this technique yet and i think it is the key i am missing for power on my backhand! Are your throws with this method inaccurate or were you able to hone it in?
At first I didn’t really care were they went just wanted to feel the snap, but after I started realizing I was getting more power, yes I was able to start worrying about accuracy and it wasn’t a problem to hone it in. I’m not accurate at all times but I didn’t lose any accuracy at all, and if anything gained some
Great video
Thanks man :)
Looks like Ben Geren
Sure is lol.
Did you hit a car with that first throw? Lol.
Lol no 😆
Pros don’t make a sound dude …..
One of the most impressive things when you see them in person
Snap in disc golf has nothing to do with sound
It’s synonymous with the hit
1k subs but 7.5k views in 1 day, Nice!
I wasn’t expecting this at all, thanks. All the support is supper cool and much appreciated to see
I just wanna throw 400 😅😅😅
If your fingers are making noise when the disc leaves your hand, you're likely holding the disc far too tightly. It is NOT an indicator of anything other than that. Does every person that throws far have an audible sound coming from their fingers when throwing? No...
Your right there are several pros that throw very far and the isn’t really any noise, but Drew Gibson, Eagle McMahon, Aaron Gossage, Paul Ulibarri are just some that I can think of off the top of my head that have that audible sound when they throw, As for me when I hear that and feel it come out of my hand it’s 99% of the time a higher velocity with more spin throw.
Every pro that throws 550 or more def have an audible snap in person, followed by the sound of the disc whirring in the air, it's nuts.
@@theOcean41 I’ve heard alot on jomez or other coverage but I have seen a few throw far and I don’t hear anything I thought it was odd.
This is factually incorrect. Anyone throwing past 500ft has snap when they throw. It’s part of the form being perfect.
Do you have to do it? No, but if you want to throw far you need it.
@@DiscManiac28jomez coverage doesn’t do it Justice. Go watch in person and I bet you have a different opinion. Ask me how I know….
I went to DGLO and was mind blown
I wish i could do this, but I'd lose all my discs.
Lol! The field I usually throw in has short grass and is kept up well. Makes it easier for sure
I think you wanna keep the off hand moving to the same direction as your body in general. Don't "hit" it down like you did it in this video, it's energy wasted to wrong direction. Just bring it naturally close to your body. Maybe it was exaggerated for demonstration purposes but if you look at the pros, the movement is smooth and natural. Think you could turn your head and torso more backwards prior to throwing, although it might be difficult when throwing stationary and I don't know how flexible you're (we're all different!). And just like in ball golf, you should not follow the disc with your eyes once it leaves your hand, instead let your head and body go to the direction of the momentum. Otherwise you'll slow down the rotation. Audience will tell you it was a great shot!
Actually, I'd say, concentrate more on how you "load energy" to the off hand before throwing than bringing it close to body. Your body is a spring that stores energy when twisted and the off-hand is the twisting lever. And throwing is more about torso muscles. Perhaps check some videos of pros throwing stationary. Usually when throwing while running the "loading" is rather natural and once loaded the energy comes out rather naturally, but again, we're different. What works for somebody else doesn't necessary work for you, or me. It depends on individual core muscles and the only way to train them is using them (smartly).
Yea it was more for demonstration purposes but I agree with what your saying for sure. Those are good points i could turn more in a standstill I’m decently flexible, I’m gonna try that and see what happens.
Ok but be careful not to do this ‘drill’ too much or you might bake in a lot of other problems by ignoring proper form.
Not a bad thought, yea don’t wanna start creating bad habits, during a round I do run ups, this drill has helped a lot with falling over my brace leg, I go back to it from time to time
You have one straight shot in all your example throws. Every single shot was subpar, if I can be so blunt. What is the "50 Ft of distance in ONE DAY!!!" tip? Unless you were throwing 75 feet before, I can't see it.
Well.. I said in the video I wasn’t worrying about accuracy in this drill… and I wasn’t throwing 50ft further with this drill, it was because of this drill I gained distance in my normal run up throw, the drill was just helping me learn the feeling of getting spin on the disc. Regardless it 100% helped me and I wanted to share it.
@@DiscManiac28 oh, I see. So you practicing standstill improved your form? Why didn't you say so? That's obviously correct. Everybody should practice their backhand before even dreaming of the xstep.
Gonna try this for sure, there is almost no difference in distance regardless of my run up.
It helped me a lot, I just kept throwing a stand still until I started feeling the snap happen and realizing I was getting a lot more spin on disc. Not 100% there yet but was a good start
this video was very confusing from a viewers standpoint, i see the progression of your "story" but it seems very.... all over the place.. I also think you have some misconceptions as well and the title is very click-baity and you never even acknowleged the title.
in the 1st throw you have a solid brace and thats one of the most important things from a drive. You also talked about how you normally throw on a hyzer and want to throw flat. You want to throw on a hyzer tilt. Most coaches all agree.
your zone went straight because there was more spin on the disc than usual. more spin=more straight!
Glad you are making progess on your journey with the BH form!
Thanks for feedback I’m happy to hear anyone’s comments even if it critiques little things I do. I wanna be a great content creator and better disc golfer. I’m still growing in sport and I didnt realize video was all over place just wanted to help people with the progress in which I improved my backhand, from just using arm, to off arm, and then lower body. The backhand fix I was taking about in thumbnail was not falling over my brace leg. It’s helped me a lot to not fall over front foot, and with this fix I was generating more spin on disc and that was creating more distance. Sorry if this video was confusing for anyone, just wanna give little tips Ive found along the way with my disc golf journey. I’ll remember the things you have pointed out in future videos because I want my content to not be confusing at all, lol
@@DiscManiac28 yeah the best advice for going down that Content creator road is, if you think anything is sloppy, dont put it in and re-film it. audio is more important than video, (you will get more from you audiance with poor vidoe quality and great audio vs terrible audio and great video) .. yours was fine! Maybe find some people you can share the video with 1st and they can give input, Take your time, write a scipt and stick to it.. have your talking points and try not to get off topic.
as for the off-arm i think most people agree that it just has to be tucked in to the body and be tight from the elbow up.. having your hand come in 1st isnt that important.
One thing you demonstrated very well with your standstill and only using upper body is you didnt move your head at all, which a lot of people do and is bad.. its a pretty hard habbit to break! Imma hit that sub button and look forward to your content. I have a DG discord. if you hop in have get feedback as well. discord.gg/Qyxa9r4WE
@@jerkwagon appreciate everything, this is some great points and advice, appreciate subscribing to channel. I like the way you address it, I’ve had some pretty mean comments… which I know will happen it’s part of having a channel but it’s nice to have someone bring points to light the way you did.
@@jerkwagon I’ll check out your discord
This advice is great. Seriously in just one day of practice i finally understand pulling the disc into my chest and also with bring my arm in. Already gained distance and also the discs are flying how they should. Thank you so much!
Very welcome happy it’s working for you:) it’s so nice to hear people are gaining from video
Another good takeaway from those pro clips is staying on your toes during the run up! That probably helps generate alot of snap once you pivot into the throw and transfer your weight to the heel of your brace leg.
Great point, I didn’t mention that but is very true, thanks for feedback
I have come back to this video multiple times over the past month to share with my friends in hope they will benefit in the way I did from it.
I started playing this year in late June and instantly got the bug, I had over 60 rounds by the end of August alone and was constantly struggling with my backhand and the tips in this video after some field work helped me tremendously.
I was able to go from a very inconsistent and uncomfortable 200ft x step backhand and am now throwing close to 350ft drives stand still(max distance is 355ft in a field) I was struggling a bit with the reach back location until you uploaded the spin video last week and my gosh the combination of the 2 videos has helped my long game and approach game soo much its been a complete game changer.
I came back to comment and say thank you as I was really starting to get down on myself not seeing the improvements I wanted until I watched your videos.
Much love❤
I came back to add something to this because I forgot to in my original comment, but the week I watched this video I went out and practiced it the first round I played after I got my very first ace at 224ft and then a week after that I hit my second ace at 214ft both with the buzzz which has become one of my favourite discs for straight lines
Dude, that is so awesome to hear, it makes me so happy to hear about people overcoming their struggles in the game, and yours is a great story, I couldn’t be more happy for ya. I appreciate all compliments and the feedback. It really is so cool to me that you have improved that much in such little time:) keep up the good work
Snap is not an indication of a good throw.
There are tons of bomber throwers who dont have any snap sound.
I know as for me, when I hear the snap and feel it I can tell it’s a better longer throw
@DiscManiac28 it generally means youre gripping the disc better. Which is a good thing.
Good insights, thanks for sharing. 🎉
Very welcome 🤗
Awesome. I'm 67 and just started playing July 4th of this year. I twisted my right knee trying to throw a backhand like I'm a 25 yr old pro. Since then (3weeksago) I've thrown nothing but 4hands. Because of that my 4hand is getting pretty accurate. However, some shots have to be made using a backhand (long dogleg left). So now that my knee is almost back to normal, I need to try what you suggest before I use a backhand on the course.
I used to play a lot of competitive tennis and thought I had a pretty good 1-handed backhand. However, I've struggled with the discgolf backhand. So thanks for the tips. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Awesome, i would love to hear how it goes and hear about your progress, I’m here if you have any questions.
This video gave me a realization on why watching videos and even taking advice is difficult. Everything teaches you how to do things "correct," then you have to figure where to create your lag. So you have to learn how to do things "correct," then you have to learn to do them correctly wrong lol. This is why lag can be a difficult concept
Its definitely a hard concept for sure. It took me getting out and throwing a lot to find out what works for me and I’m still not 100% there. Lol
Terrific explanation and breakdown of this mechanic with some "real world" examples that help it make sense.
Thanks, Love the comment
It’s been a real help for me, for sure helped me grow as a player and understand putting spin on disc.
I went to stand still and worked on similar motions and generated not only more distance but more accuracy.
That’s great, I do this drill still to this day cause it seems to still help with both. I was surprised the first time I started doing this. Great drill
Excellent video man.
Thanks for feedback :)
The one thing I notice here is you are pulling diagonally throwing behind yourself. You want to bring the disc in and release around 10 o clock. The zone throw was the proper release
It felt better for sure, I wasn’t paying to much attention to that part of throw but I’ll go back and watch it. I just remember it feeling really good, glad you mentioned it so I will have a reference in future lol
@@DiscManiac28 no prob! It will completely improve your lines, making gaps and throws in general being able to release at 10ish.
Imagine if standing still in front is 9 o clock. Bring the disc in to your right peck then extend your arm like you are throwing. This would be 10 o clock. Hope that helps! Took me one year to realize this! Lol