Why you CAN'T Throw Far…What the PROS really do for Big Distance
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I'm still pretty new to the game and this video has me questioning why I even run up. It's counterproductive to what we are trying to achieve until timing is perfect. I think there will be value in starting with a deeper back leg knee bend with a slight twist to where you feel the power in your RHBH left glute and then explode forward. I can't wait to get out of this cubicle and get out and try some stuff. Great video.
I teach it from a standstill / 1 step. Usually takes months to add an x step…because your right it’s actually pointless unless the timing is right
exactly.
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He isn't right though
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 Not using an X step has actually helped me much more. I feel like that X step and trying to run up gives me too much to do and it ends up messing with the timing. But I am only a first year player...
I used to be friends with Ken Jarvis who briefly held the world backhand distance record back in the days. He said he never took a run up when he was learning to throw far, he just stood on the spot and focused on the wind-up and explosiveness.
Going to give this a watch. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
Watching someone explain the issue is one thing, but wouldn't it be an even more interesting video to watch someone work on it? *wink*
Throw over the mountain, Brodie!
This guy's on to something. You get that left leg in there, you're going to set distance records. Congrats on the incredible year! It's been awesome seeing your improvement and you even nabbed an ES podium finish!
Awesome to see you respond with good energy and no arrogance or ego. Keep being hungry but humble and you'll be World Champ no doubt
He was hard on you but also said you had great potential. Throw over a mountain!
Love the baseball analogy. I played baseball my entire life, and this is exactly how I taught myself to throw when i got into disc golf about 13 years ago. No need to run up, just a slow X-step that gets the hips turned and in a position of power. Weight back, explode with the hips, and let the hand follow. Only difference between the two is the follow through
Finally understand “the weight shift happens from behind”. Thanks for your awesome videos and explanations.
Phenomenal video, want to add some context from another sport: I was a D-1 javelin thrower and the exact same principle applies. In javelin, the front leg is referred to as the “block leg” as it is responsible for blocking all of the energy of the run up, transferring it into the hips, torso, and ultimately the throw. The back leg, known as the penultimate step (obnoxious I know) is a hotly debated topic. Because of the speed of a javelin run up, most beginners and even successful collegiate throwers think of the penultimate step as merely a passive delivery to the block leg. This can work for moderate success, but what it creates is a massive amount of force being transferred through only one leg, and a kinetic chain that has to fire so quickly that timing becomes hard to keep consistent. The epiphany that changed my throwing both in javelin and years later in disc golf (though I’m far from perfecting it) is that using the back leg to actively prepare or “coil” the whole kinetic chain creates more power, more consistent timing, and reduces wear and tear on the whole body but especially the front leg. Rather than viewing the front leg as a block that your momentum swings around, view both legs as opposing forces, that force your hips and torso to uncoil around. I think the one addition I’d make to this video is that this kind of force can be dangerous. Flexibility and joint stability is king in any throwing sport. If you can’t hit these positions in stretching and weight lifting exercise, you can expect to hurt yourself when you hit them time and time again in the throw. So get in the gym, get flexible, get explosive, and go sling shot some bombs. If you’ve made it this far I commend your commitment to a random internet commenters words!
I am so glad I saw your video. At 65 and relatively new to the game I was throwing off the front foot and I could feel the twisting my knee was taking with all my weight on it. You saved me from an ACL that was surely right around the corner if I have kept that up. Thank you for teaching. What a gift you are!!
Best advice Ive seen. Has been game changer. Throwing further but also more consistent release. Ive always been "feel" player in most sports and drilling this has been huge. Really no different in baseball swing, golf swing or throwing a punch. Weight shift is the key while relaxing to achieve smooth power. I really got bogged down in a lot of tecnical stuff. Thanks
I really like the back view of Brodie, it shows a lot of what you talk about very clearly that can't be seen from the front
I agree, Brodie was lookin kinda thicc in that video 😳
Out all your videos this one breaks down big distance the best. These elements in combination with timing is what got me to 500’.
Thank you Ayden. I’m always trying to improve. Congrats on 500 🎉
great timing on this video. This is the EXACT issue I've been trying to figure out with my mechanics. Now I have something to work with.
Me too!
Front leggers unite! If we join together and try really hard, we can defeat these back leggers!
Thank you so much for this side by side comparison….it exposed my lower body flaws. Can’t wait to try to fix it.
Just sitting here at my desk and analyzing my own throw in my mind, I think you're right. Looking forward to giving this a shot.
I just stood up and went through my current motion versus staying on the back foot. So incredibly different.
Brilliant analysis. Like Brody, I came from an Ultimate background to disc golf. In Ultimate your back leg is a pivot - almost every throw comes with a fully weighted front foot to step around and throw around the mark. I am trying to undo those instincts, and this is a very helpful instruction for focusing on that.
I’ve worked with a ton of people who come from ultimate. On a positive note…ultimate players have the best quick twitch arm mechanics. Not the pulling issue. It’s a great skill to carry over but yes the front leg is also a part of that carry over.
in my country ultimate players took up disc golf in the pandemic and easily beat all but the top couple of disc golfers. It makes sense, playing other disc sports you're getting so much repetition from doing so many throws it becomes second nature. Definitely gonna look at this leg thing as I max out around 430. Also find throwing forehead high speed drivers hard tears my inner elbow as I'm not extending. Definitely harder to switch the forehand distance technique. mid ranges and scramble shots are a big advantage though
Considering I played soccer my whole life and power lifting for about 4 years leading up to me starting disc golf about a year and a half ago, what you explained gives me a lot of hope to break past my distance barrier. Cant wait to get out in the field to try this out and put my leg strength to work!
Coach T you explain the movements we are trying to do very well. Relatable information. I have improved with your instruction. I am envious of your dedication.
Thank you Brandon! I’ll keep trying
lets go brandon!
Although I say it in almost every video. I forgot to mention that this is the Athletic version. I'm describing something young, mobile, and very athletic athletes are doing. Not everyone will be physically capable of this...stay safe and listen to your body
This is super important I’m glad you added this
You should be running a clinic on the pro tour. Your break down of the mechanics the backhand are probably the most insightful. I hope you start going into detail of putting and forehands.
@@eddiegaytan236 I second this motion. Very well articulated breakdown. Best I've seen yet.
Thank you for saying this.
Would you do a MP60 version :) I need 30-40 feet to play like I want !
some if not the best disc golf informative content on youtube, thank you
Thank you. I’ll keep trying!
I’ve watched a handful of form coaches. What you say has given me the biggest increases in the shortest time. Went from 320’ with a fairway to 330’ with a mid. Thank you!
Awesome!
As someone who has 340' backhands and 450' forehands, I needed this. Thank you!
Heyoo thanks for the feature and a shout out! Exactly why I filmed these shots, so much to learn from these. I have dozens of more clips like this on my channel 🫡
Brodie is a Beast, I’ve never watched someone improve so fast!
You cover a topic that is not always covered by coaches and I think it needs a lot more attention because the back leg involvement is one of those things that I feel really separates an amateur backhand and a professional one.
Dude this is fantastic. As soon as I started watching, I did a few rotations in my living room of what I would normally do and then trying it your way, loading on that back leg the entire time to create that coil rotation and I can feel and notice a huge distance in the snap feel!
I can’t wait to try this in the field!!
My normal rotation I am totally using only my front leg to create that rotation and it almost makes me want to fall forward and makes since on why a lot of my drives and be shanked left.
When I load my weight back and use my back leg I feel like I have more accuracy on my release point!
*makes sense 😅
Let us know if you pick up distance
Love it, would love to see you break down matty o. I think he is the pro that really has that double arm whip motion you talk about. He makes his distance look so effortless
Last November I injured my SI joint throwing with my arms like Broadie. I was swinging my back arm with the double move and I over rotated on my follow through. I felt it. Something happened and I have been in pain since. I got some injections a month ago and I am finally feeling normalish. I was making lots of headway in distance off the tee but it came at a cost. I am 40 now. I play disc golf with my daughter now. I want to play with her for decades to come. Everyone, please be safe and slow down. Focus on your warm up and try not to get hurt. A few more feet is not worth it if you can't play anymore.
If you still have any lingering long term soft tissue damage, try Graston. It's a form of massage that gets rid of scar tissue. It saved me after I tore a muscle in my back. Hope this helps just in case. Also hope you get back to 100% & enjoy everything. Worth a try if you're ever still in pain.
Fantastic video!
Staying on the ball of the back foot is huge! It's been about 2 years since I actively started doing it, but now it's automatic!
Great video, can't wait to work on this form! Thanks
This makes alot of sense. Definitely gonna focus on this next time I'm out. Thanks bro.
Baseball example was good for weight shifting to the back leg. Fast left hand movement + left knee in + left foot turn to front = slingshot = distance
I played ball golf for 10 years as a kid and had 300 yards off the tee before I stopped playing after high school. Could never get that power to translate. You just gained a subscriber
Might be the most important video I’ve watched!Thanks.
Wow this is so helpful. Makes so much sense why my shoulder hurts 😂
I watched this video and immediately went out to the soccer field to implement it. Previous max was around 420, average 390-400. Put some extra oomph from the back leg and pumped ONE about 440 RHBH Right to Left winds bout 25mph. Average distance was 400 +/- 5 feet for my Octanes and about 410 for my Mayhems. Biggest difference is 400 was easily attainable on a low straight line. Nothing over 10ft off the ground. Good tip. Now I have to figure out how to really load and push off the back foot when I have forward momentum carrying from the X step. Still trying to hit 500
Stupendous dude...!
welp, time to focus on becoming a back leg thrower over the winter. I know for a fact that my left leg does what Brodie's does. I can still throw 400ft which is enough for competing in local tournaments, but just like everyone else I want to throw farther. lol.
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Thanks. This really resonates with me, gonna start working on it today
Wow. This is incredible stuff. Can’t wait to work on this. I can tell the difference immediately when I think about staying back versus what I currently do by throwing off the lead leg.
Awesome! Thanks for watching
Finally broke 400feet even tho it was a 360 still happy to throw straight and far...in going to try this once i get out of school just focus on my backleg balance and drift
I think this video might need a second part. I think the back leg powers the left hip forward as shown, but that is only the beginning. As the back leg extends and has released it's power, the front leg engages. The thrower presses down and back through the heel driving the right hip back ....release the disc at the right time with the appropriate speed and nose angle and...
And the disc flies lol.
The arm I believe should be slinging forward towards a natural release point. The grip your using should allow for the disc to "pivot and pop". So when your arm is thrown forward to an apex, the disc is still loose enough to keep moving, so it will pivot from the back of your grip to the front, then with your grip simply relaxed (not opened), the disc will pop itself out of your grip forwards. So you aren't really having to "time" a release, it will release at the tip of the whip with so much spin and snap.
Check out "pivot and pop" by Dave Dunipace.
When you said "Hit the Baseball" It REALLY clicked for me what you were getting at...
Now I just wish I hit lefty back then, or threw disc LHBH now... haha!
Great analysis coach T 💯 Slingshot all the way!
Thanks Mike. I appreciate your continued support of the channel!
At times my back leg does go behind my plant foot after the throw. I know this is poor form but didn't know why. After watching this, I went to the field and threw about 40 drivers focusing on using my back leg for power and 1: I didn't have the same error at all. 2: I got better body rotation which sometimes is lacking even when my back leg doesn't slide behind. 3: got good distance (for me) even throwing into a headwind. and finally 4: I felt like my back leg was doing some work. It feels like I did a bit of a workout in my leg and hips, which i don't normally get, even from playing multiple rounds. I'm very excited to work on this more and see how the disc flies under calm conditions. Thanks so much for breaking this down and giving us something relatively simple to work on to improve our game!
This was hugely illuminating
Great video. I always think about the weight transfer from back to front, but never consciously tried to load and coil around the back leg like that. Excited to try this out.
It’s been about a year now since I started your training videos. I started at around 50 feet maximum distance. I’m up to around 700 feet now and am going to win the special olympics someday
You hit the nail on the head with this one! Bravo! 👏👏👏
Gonna give this a try. Thanks.
This video is excellent in every possible way. Ty
Excellent video and learning the correct throwing fundamentals is everything!. I tell beginners to watch videos like seen on You Tube to learn the best way to get maximum throwing distance. Making a video of yourself throwing lets you know what you are doing wrong. Disc golf boils down to utilizing common sense physics. Pushing off that left foot allows the core to load up for that right plant foot brace, all timed perfectly for the explosion release. It requires practice, practice, practice, but I am amazed on how beginners with the passion to learn correctly, get better and better very quickly. Thanks for teaching the "Sling Shot" and only method of disc throwing, for wasted power potential is such a shame. When you learn the right way, disc golf is so much more rewarding and enjoyable to play☺. Sincerely, Bill M., PDGA #7378, lifelong promoter of the sport we love from Uncasville, CT☺
Awesome and on point - as a physiotherspist This Makes totally sense
The sport is so young science wise, I've got a basketball coaching background and it's still crazy to me to see how different content creator come to different conclusion...It's hard to find some basic universal truth..
Awesome descriptions. Similar back press inner line foot arch points principal/secret to lots of motion sports: baseball pitch/throw and hit, football throw, martial arts strikes, throws, weapons, skiing/snowboard, basketball crossover, racket sports, bmx/mtb/motox...
For bh disc power imho the great teacher is the 360 ( both walking and full run up version). Have found over the years that the 360 is the full throw that ingeniously sets up the "back" leg to be the main power interface to the ground. The 360s leg/foot "press" and pivot and also hip/core turn are faster than the x step and can reveal why the x step (especially walking) has the step over almost built in, resulting in power loss.
The run up x step is also an approximation that simulates the fast back to front power transfer of the 360, by putting speed and usually some hop/ body english. Still the run up 360 is king with the back leg quite deftly striking the ground. It almost does not have time to unevenly press or get mushy or lift off too early/ step over.
For standing shots, especially on uneven terrain, definitely helps to think back foot press with even fore-heel-arch.
Oh yeah, the grenade also has helped to feel back foot compression and pivot. It is tougher to step over than regular horizontal throws.
Brodie went pro fast. Which is why I fell like even though he throws bombs he gets leverage from his god build. The more and more his form improves he will be a absolute monster
I'm 56 yrs old... can an old dog learn new tricks? Heck yeah! Thanks for pounding this idea into all of your videos, I hear something new every time!
playing for 25 years and never thought about this. Im always loading the front foot Thanks for pointing it out.
Excited to see your next video. I am in the bathtub waiting
Wow... okay this is something I need to look into... thank you. Subscribed
I'm pretty new, but after watching this, I was out throwing some of my more experienced friends in no time. Using the back leg for power is something that seems so obvious in hindsight.
This was incredibly helpful. I'm only sad I found it at 2am and not at a time when I could immediately go field test it.
Just as i was wondering if the motion was any similar to hitting a baseball, he said “BOOM hit the baseball”
this is the best video ive ever clicked on
This callout is what I needed coach. Why keep doing what I'm doing if the videos don't look like the pros?
Just plain awesome
Just earned my subscription
Can't wait to try this, thanks👍
I think Brodie did use his back leg somewhat in this side-by-side with Simon. And he was on the ball of that left foot longer than he got credit for in the commentary. But I see the point made and generally agree with it. It probably wouldn't hurt for me to work on getting some more back leg power.
eye opening. Good stuff man.
Extremely helpful thank you!!!
I like the analogy of swinging the bat. Put it into perspective a bit, however most right handed players would explode off of their right leg and plant with the left leg. Idk about anyone else but I’m not a switch hitter and definitely can’t throw with my left hand, so putting all the weight on the leg that’s used to be planted after the explosion is SUPER awkward. I love the description and will try to be a switch hitter now lol
Hey I like it. A lot of points resonate with me. Other points are, at minimum, phrased differently, or are taught against /in a different manner altogether from other teachers. That’s the beauty of disc golf right now.
I’d be curious what seabas has to say about this breakdown!
I'd be curious what @BrodieSmith has to say about it 😆
Great video!! Love the lesson here.
Idk why, but the first motion he makes after saying “you gotta have something to coil against…” gave me Uncle Rico vibes 😂
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great video
Dude, this tip has changed my entire game. Like every shot, for real.
What the pros really do to get distance.
Practice, practice alot, practice consumes you if your not practicing all day everyday how are you going to get bomb drives. You wont
Great video also I did hear Brodie was having back issues and you can see why in this slow mo
Unless you practice the wrong things. Although no matter what you have to put 10,000 hrs in to be a pro at anything. So I agree!
Thank you thank you thank you! I’m fully aware! But still not doing right ! 😢
Ill tell you what front leg discgolf has done to me. Plant leg knee pain. Nothing like dumping all your weight on your front leg before trying to spin on it
I experienced the same thing! Back leg just takes so long because it's our weaker leg and has to develop. Tough sport
Thank youuuu
This one makes a lot of sense to me and here you see Drew Gibson coaching Brodie on the exact same point.
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I bounce between open and pro master. I'm kinda doing the back leg stuff allready but not qoiling rather extending. I'm very excited to see what's possible. Currently throw 5 bills. I tried a few of your drills and it's gonna take time for the muscle memory part but good stuff.
crazy that us ultimate frisbee players throw like this starting off, but once our form changes to disc golf, it goes so much farther
Makes sense! Back leg it a more athletic move!
great comparison
Wow this was eye opening, looks like I need to hit the field soon. I just watched all of my clips and I'm a front foot disc golfer. I can get 400ft but this has me curious as to what I could achieve. Thank you for making this video!
If you want to focus in on one mechanic that separates those who throw over 450 from those who can't, it is the difference between the shoulder and hip angle, aka lag or x factor.
Bending your knee in like that under load will cause knee issue's. It'd be better to load on the back leg with out cranking it inward. But I'm sure no one really cares what I know 🤷♂️
This illuminated alot about a couple of recent rounds. I fractured my right side of my collarbone, and after a few weeks went for a round left handed. I could feel the snap happening way more, and it's cuz my right leg was the back leg like it would be for baseball. This is solid advice, do you have drills for training a "bum" back leg?
close to 80 drills depending on the patreon tier you choose. check out all my options on patreon. People are seeing good results.
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 thanks! See you there!
You are a disc golf genius I’ve been looking for content like this forever!
Yo this is a great tip. I can't get out to the field to try.
Wow. I just had an epiphany while watching this and doing dishes. I was throwing with my rear leg completely straight. Man, I can't wait to get outside and lose that habit. Ultimate related, I'm sure.
Bro. Thank you.
Look at Paul's right shoe at 8:15 it looks like the sole is separating from the shoe itself.
Coach, love this ! Please correct me if I'm wrong but this makes it seem like the swing is initiated by the push from the left foot. No one has helped me to see it this way before... thx!!
It happens the same time as the upper body (core) rotation. It all initiates at once
@@slingshotdiscgolf1897 doesn't the left arm go first starting the rotation (double move)? Thank you for all you do!
I might have to take you up on a lesson. I feel my distance is getting worse, not better, and I can't break 300'.
I would recommend it 100%. Coach T helped me get past the 300 barrier. I was in the same boat but getting a from review helped me enjoy throwing again. The snap is addicting lol
This is the truth. Huge difference in accuracy too.
Completely agree. I was playing my 3rd round ever last week and the the "pro" guy said "did you JUST throw off your BACK leg!?" I said "I think so, that felt different." It was a laser to 3 feet from the basket. Tap in for birdie. Going to keep doing that
Thx
I just want to know why I keep
Throwing into the ground when I practice the reach back and shifting my body weight properly.
Played with a kid who throw over 600 the other day, he could throw huge nose down annum bombs… when I try that I just throw it nose up, going to try and figure it out!