There's definitely the primordial DNA of Oracle in 'Sissy', but I'm seeing a lot of it in that priest as well, with the roots and high damage nukes on a supposed healer. But yeah that Edgewalker looks like he'd be a real fun character to try, not big bombastic game-winning abilities, but lots of constant needling and harassment in new ways. Also I think he could easily be the undisputed lane harasser with just his first ability alone, but imagine the rage he could cause by tugging over-eager melee carries a bit too close, and getting them locked behind a creep wave under a tower.
The priest is definitely the unrefined Oracle, it even uses the same model, weird he saw more similarity to Oracle in Dragonhawk (Who has arcane seal, skywrath's silence)
Yeah I definitely agree. For example, I could see the mortar team as a prototype of Snapfire with the long distance bombardment concept. Further, I think some of these heroes were tests of other mechanical concepts, like the whole manipulation and utilization of enemy positions shown here with sissy and edgelord or whatever his name was and realized later in dark willow and mars in a way. Seems like etherealness was also a concept of interest at the time, but I cannot say what came of it except maybe wraith skill being somewhat similar to the ghost shroud that was later given for necrophos.
The edge guy would hard counter any meelee carry, lmao. You bet that they would have to buy BkP the moment they see him pick. He might also be a good help for abilities focus heroes like zeus, too
Wyvern Outrider and Edgewalker are almost like a prototype to Void Spirit. The shield and Wyvern skill 1 resemble a lot to Void skills, while Edgewalker pulling mechanic is like Void Remnant
Wait, a hero whose ultimate requires attacking from very far away and whose basic abilities are all relatively short with crowd control... I think the Mortar team inspired Snapfire. Hell... Mortimer kinda sounds like Mortar.
@Raven you make it sound as if that's a bad thing. i dont care about your opinions on the game or anything but i just want to point out that what you are suggesting is pretty much innovation.
@@TheStoso2 I don't think that's all, when Dennis said that the first skill is doing something like reload animation and it's effects is silence and slows, it's somehow similar to snapfire's 1st or 2nd(I don't know where) skill thing where she do a reload animation too and shot a cone shape thing which slows and disarmed the enemy is somehow similar too...well Dennis said it has the same name and function as Sky's W but he's not sure too
Great video as always. Though you forgot to mention that Wyvern's Wind Barrier was in game for a time as it was Storm's Spirit second spell in his first iteration.
How about an episode about the in-game quests preceding the return of invoker into the game, the add of tauren chieftain and phoenix back in the day? Also showing those broken-ass itens they dropped if you managed to kill them during game.
5:54 the outrider is vaguely similar to Falstad in HotS, which I thought was funny since the wyvern/wind rider was the orc equivalent to the Alliance griffin rider.
Edgewalker, Dragonhawk, and the Wraith feel like the most well-developed and interesting heroes out of this bunch. If any of them have the potential to reemerge like Mortar Team likely did with Snapfire, I imagine it'll be Edgewalker and the Wraith getting announced this TI - if only because they feel like they'd be the most relevant to the lore of the Nether Reaches and Narrow Maze, one of which is the likely destination of this years TI minigame.
I have some experience in W3 world editor, I can tell the heroes really are in progress, the skills feel to easy to code and the kits kinda don't synergize well.
Edgewalker will be wayyy toooo fucking OP in dota. Imagine placing death watch on creeps that are low and the enemy carry or even midlaner gets damaged and stunned if they want the last hit (while you can simply just deny the creep). Also if the ranged enemies' last-hitting projectile is in the air when you cast the skill......you can see how it'll end. Not to mention it is only 50 mana and 6 second CD and you can practically deny all the CS unless the enemy wants to take harass every time. Also imagine AOE (up to 10 second) ghost in the laning phase with heavy magic damage or even in teamfights against melee heroes.....You simply can't lane against him, or be any melee carry against him. Hell, ranged carries will have a ridiculously hard time against him too during laning phase and they'll have to reposition in fights to avoid the ward. also imagine 3 difference instances of silence.....rip channeling spells.... he can literally silence 3 separate places... imagine that.
Watching this after PB was realised..don't you think the Outridrr was the inspiration for Primal beast? I mean the Q and W are similar...and the ultimate...I can see some resemblance.
dennis, look for the last map with fun mode in it, ull find there heroes there, mortar team for example could make the game crash with its ult, and there were other heroes also, including a dragon (puff) that has 1 active, 2 passives and 1 ult, that dragon had like 5-6 forms and could swap between them when he was using a spell, the forms were fire, ice, death?, mana burned and others, look for the map, it also contained some very very broken items
There are some versions you can unlock thr forgotten heroes try using -fun i even found spongebob there and a hero thst build thst cant move after i plant a turret
@@jvinsantos6861 dont know yet but look like in trailer she can be ethereal or wraith form. Use small revolver, South american, Can light something up, and can change what she lighted up to wraith fire. Only trailer might come out next year
Siege Mode gave me Sgt. Hammer ptsd from HotS lol. Also Wyvern Outrider's ult i would guess was the inspiration for Moira's ult from HoN. AoE that makes inmune all units in it's radius that at the end of the duration gives speed to allies and slows enemies, difference between both being that Moira's ult it's a smaller AoE that expands and randomly positions units affected
I just think Mortar's 1st 3 skills are more defensive He's basically the ultimate reward for warding the map and if you build him in full aspd, he's basically a rocket artillery
I can definitely see the the Mortar having inspired Snapfire a lot. Her ultimate has insane range, and all the other spells are kinda similar to what Snapfire has.
I have played dota 1 from 6.49 - 6.78 patches but I don't remember these heroes. Command -clear actually just clears the texts on the screen. That is what i recall
I'm seeing Razor from the model of Ghost Revenant, but I find it interesting that he has some basic versions of Necrophos (rip necrolyte) passive (Miasma/Heartstopper Aura) and the new Necro W
I just remember, isn't divine intervention is Grace ultimate in VG? Now I know where's that skill came from (though it works different but has similar purpose)
Divine Intervention in WoW had the paladin instantly kill themselves to place a shield on the party member that made them leave combat, and unable to take any action. Divine Shield that paladin's have to make themselves invulnerable used to have heavy penalties to attacking though.
Can definitely see a lot of similarities between these and heroes that have come out. Also that Ghost hero sounds really cool. I am curious, at what point in Dotas history is this patch?
Hey Dennis great work, can you add this sludge like Hero from fun mode who can't right click next time but only has spells next time , never learnt how he works and now can't find him anywhere. Thanks
I think the priest can use his 3rd to the enemy carry then use then dagger inside to snares and silence 3 to 4 heroes then use his ult to negate one morr of use it on top of the snare or the silence
Honestly, a Mortar Team-esque Siege character could be a fun addition to the game. Obviously balance becomes an issue, but I could see having a lot of fun with such a character.
There's snapfire who pretty much is a mortor team-esque seige character not just with her ult but with also her Q and E which can provide huge burst potential...and her ult can give long rage artillary in a teamfight
Tell me your thoughts! Who's your favorite? How would you change them to make them viable in Dota 2?
jebaited
Squire but balanced
@@さんまどか lol oh yeah that champion is fun af
Are you done with the series? These are probably the most well-known short-lived heroes, due to being the latest. Only the Gambler is more (in)famous.
I would make them all proot mother and give them midas
Me: rewatches the Forgotten Heroes episodes, thinking it'd be cool to have a third part
Dennis:
Bring mortar team back
Mortar team's ult is very similar to Snapfire's so it was definitely a precursor.
I know bruh 0-0
I doubt that
It's entirely possible that Concussive Shot was going to function similarly to Scattershot based on the animation.
@@bearmanjon_bmj Yeah and they just changed up a few stuff
@@bearmanjon_bmjIsn't Concussive Shot also the name of one of Skywrath's abilities?
There's definitely the primordial DNA of Oracle in 'Sissy', but I'm seeing a lot of it in that priest as well, with the roots and high damage nukes on a supposed healer. But yeah that Edgewalker looks like he'd be a real fun character to try, not big bombastic game-winning abilities, but lots of constant needling and harassment in new ways. Also I think he could easily be the undisputed lane harasser with just his first ability alone, but imagine the rage he could cause by tugging over-eager melee carries a bit too close, and getting them locked behind a creep wave under a tower.
The priest is definitely the unrefined Oracle, it even uses the same model, weird he saw more similarity to Oracle in Dragonhawk (Who has arcane seal, skywrath's silence)
Yeah I definitely agree. For example, I could see the mortar team as a prototype of Snapfire with the long distance bombardment concept. Further, I think some of these heroes were tests of other mechanical concepts, like the whole manipulation and utilization of enemy positions shown here with sissy and edgelord or whatever his name was and realized later in dark willow and mars in a way.
Seems like etherealness was also a concept of interest at the time, but I cannot say what came of it except maybe wraith skill being somewhat similar to the ghost shroud that was later given for necrophos.
The edge guy would hard counter any meelee carry, lmao. You bet that they would have to buy BkP the moment they see him pick. He might also be a good help for abilities focus heroes like zeus, too
Correct me if I'm wrong but Moarter Team sounds like they got morphed into Snapfire. Pretty damn similar kits.
Yeah and GR passed some abilities to Necro
The kits are super differrent. Other than long range and being strength. Very different.
it reminds me a lot of sergeant hammer from HOTS with the siege form
Edgewalker sounds like an early Dark Seer (unless Dark Seer was already out at that point.)
It doesn't look similar to me at all, like non of their spells are the same
Wyvern Outrider and Edgewalker are almost like a prototype to Void Spirit. The shield and Wyvern skill 1 resemble a lot to Void skills, while Edgewalker pulling mechanic is like Void Remnant
and mortar team is similar to snapfire
Dragon hawk is basically dark willow
Wait, a hero whose ultimate requires attacking from very far away and whose basic abilities are all relatively short with crowd control...
I think the Mortar team inspired Snapfire.
Hell... Mortimer kinda sounds like Mortar.
And both models show 2 units
@Raven you make it sound as if that's a bad thing. i dont care about your opinions on the game or anything but i just want to point out that what you are suggesting is pretty much innovation.
Sgt. Hammer in HoTS has this ability and it's even called siege mode. heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Sgt._Hammer
the ONLY similar thing they have going is the "target the ground area of effect for long range" thing
@@TheStoso2 I don't think that's all, when Dennis said that the first skill is doing something like reload animation and it's effects is silence and slows, it's somehow similar to snapfire's 1st or 2nd(I don't know where) skill thing where she do a reload animation too and shot a cone shape thing which slows and disarmed the enemy is somehow similar too...well Dennis said it has the same name and function as Sky's W but he's not sure too
Great video as always. Though you forgot to mention that Wyvern's Wind Barrier was in game for a time as it was Storm's Spirit second spell in his first iteration.
How about an episode about the in-game quests preceding the return of invoker into the game, the add of tauren chieftain and phoenix back in the day? Also showing those broken-ass itens they dropped if you managed to kill them during game.
MUERTA IS THAT YOU?
The siege form "attacking the ground" thing kinda sound like Snapfire's ult?
Its a command that siege units on WC3 could do (steam tank, catapult..) but not balistas
getting siege form, arctic burn, take aim, and psi blades plus sniper talent then pike and ballista
@@pegres5339 Wtf? Steam tank cant attack ground, but ballista can. You got it all wrong lol.
5:54 the outrider is vaguely similar to Falstad in HotS, which I thought was funny since the wyvern/wind rider was the orc equivalent to the Alliance griffin rider.
Man i remember getting hyped about this back in the day.
The nostalgia just by seeing those colorful houses!
I think Sissy seemed really cool, as well as Edgewalker!
Edgewalker, Dragonhawk, and the Wraith feel like the most well-developed and interesting heroes out of this bunch. If any of them have the potential to reemerge like Mortar Team likely did with Snapfire, I imagine it'll be Edgewalker and the Wraith getting announced this TI - if only because they feel like they'd be the most relevant to the lore of the Nether Reaches and Narrow Maze, one of which is the likely destination of this years TI minigame.
some of this makes me feel like we might see some similar abilities on future heroes in dota 2 unless snapfire is just and incredible coincidence.
snapfire's ultimate may not be a coincidence she could be inspired by the mortar team hero
Well did you know ghost revenant is actually muerta on dota 2 but the skill is different now on, I missed that hero
youtube recommended me this at the last second actual pog
hey i know youuuu
On the first part of Dragonhawks ultimate, you still have the skill description for thrust
Death watch sounds like a nightmare for enigma mains, you just cast it on a random creep that ends up in every black hole and he is boned
I have some experience in W3 world editor, I can tell the heroes really are in progress, the skills feel to easy to code and the kits kinda don't synergize well.
I dont even play DOTA these vids are just good.
Give it a try, it’s fun
U should
@@Catalyst2812 unless you play in SEA server.. game hasn't even started yet and your team already talking shit..
@@라라라라라라라라-k4r lol your right
Ikr, havent played Dota since 9 grade
Now we know from where primal beast was inspired
Watching them work together at 16:42 gives off JRPG vibes.
I have a good feeling some of these placeholder heroes would be good allies or lore related to Omniknight
13:49 Huh-
You forgot to realize that Fatal Attraction is Keeper of the light's Ultimate "Ball of Light"
- From Zincible the Curious
The Edgewalker really looks a lot like a prototype Grimstroke.
Edgewalker will be wayyy toooo fucking OP in dota. Imagine placing death watch on creeps that are low and the enemy carry or even midlaner gets damaged and stunned if they want the last hit (while you can simply just deny the creep). Also if the ranged enemies' last-hitting projectile is in the air when you cast the skill......you can see how it'll end. Not to mention it is only 50 mana and 6 second CD and you can practically deny all the CS unless the enemy wants to take harass every time. Also imagine AOE (up to 10 second) ghost in the laning phase with heavy magic damage or even in teamfights against melee heroes.....You simply can't lane against him, or be any melee carry against him. Hell, ranged carries will have a ridiculously hard time against him too during laning phase and they'll have to reposition in fights to avoid the ward. also imagine 3 difference instances of silence.....rip channeling spells.... he can literally silence 3 separate places... imagine that.
Watching this after PB was realised..don't you think the Outridrr was the inspiration for Primal beast? I mean the Q and W are similar...and the ultimate...I can see some resemblance.
Ghost revenant could be a good subordinate of razor as guards in the underscape
that preveiling wind lol, combo with invo's cata+refresher = instant death, its like unlimited multicast eul with ogre magi
I love this!❤️
Can't wait for the next video🙏
(You should try the "fun heroes")
Gotta say, Dennis, you make some pretty amazing content! Keep it up! :D
Thank you so much for doing all the dota 2 and 1 videos 💯👌💛
Memories bring back memories 😭😍😍
dennis, look for the last map with fun mode in it, ull find there heroes there, mortar team for example could make the game crash with its ult, and there were other heroes also, including a dragon (puff) that has 1 active, 2 passives and 1 ult, that dragon had like 5-6 forms and could swap between them when he was using a spell, the forms were fire, ice, death?, mana burned and others, look for the map, it also contained some very very broken items
There are some versions you can unlock thr forgotten heroes try using
-fun i even found spongebob there and a hero thst build thst cant move after i plant a turret
Ghost Revenant is a good support! Dota 2 should try to create these forgotten heroes and maybe tweak it a little bit..
I wish Icefrog would see this video.
Already on the way. Congrats
@@greatmagician5798 Meurta's skill set?
@@jvinsantos6861 dont know yet but look like in trailer she can be ethereal or wraith form. Use small revolver, South american, Can light something up, and can change what she lighted up to wraith fire. Only trailer might come out next year
I can see Ghost Revenant being in Dota 2, with a few tweaks and rebalance to his spells. Would make an amazing support.
Muerta
@@Interloper322 No, it is Necrophos
There was a hero called "The Marine" in the older versions.
Saw denis the tall video
stopped everything else made some popcorn tucked in a blanket
i'm ready to watch
Siege Mode gave me Sgt. Hammer ptsd from HotS lol. Also Wyvern Outrider's ult i would guess was the inspiration for Moira's ult from HoN. AoE that makes inmune all units in it's radius that at the end of the duration gives speed to allies and slows enemies, difference between both being that Moira's ult it's a smaller AoE that expands and randomly positions units affected
If I'm not mistaken, these heroes is in the Fun map of 6.77b
Arcane Seal is literally the same as Skywrath mages 3rd skill, Ancient Seal.
I just think Mortar's 1st 3 skills are more defensive
He's basically the ultimate reward for warding the map and if you build him in full aspd, he's basically a rocket artillery
I can definitely see the the Mortar having inspired Snapfire a lot. Her ultimate has insane range, and all the other spells are kinda similar to what Snapfire has.
I have played dota 1 from 6.49 - 6.78 patches but I don't remember these heroes. Command -clear actually just clears the texts on the screen. That is what i recall
Those were unreleased heroes. They were only playable if you used cheats.
@@scantyer More like when you play a hacked version of 6.77b map lol
I wonder if you could put Edgewalker's Death Watch on the Reality Shift totem... either way, he sounds like a really cool hero!
Its been 5 years since i stop play dota.. This video made me want to play dota again
Yo when re ya gonna release dennis the small?
Edge walker S1. Seems very good with someone that summons many adds like brood mother or nature's prophet to counter and AoE spell.
10:05 i think you forgot to change the description
Dennis,i still remember hero name Lilly,
its like new hero in dota2 darkwillow,
that hero less than 1 week in DotA i think
I'm seeing Razor from the model of Ghost Revenant, but I find it interesting that he has some basic versions of Necrophos (rip necrolyte) passive (Miasma/Heartstopper Aura) and the new Necro W
9:55 wrong description
Isn't priest just early concept of oracle?
Pretty different beyond a few basics
Yea
Dragonhawks voicelines and spells do resemble skywrath mage who uses the dragonhawks rider model.. this might be skywrath in it's early form..
Dennis, does this ability affect buildings?
I just remember, isn't divine intervention is Grace ultimate in VG? Now I know where's that skill came from (though it works different but has similar purpose)
Ahhh I remember these times , where it all began, lovely
Sissy's silence was probably reused for skywrath's e
I want these to be in my game when I make a wow3 edit map
You are amazing!!!! Can you do a video about Luna moonfang the moonrider please??
I delayed my sleep for this ❤️
Mortar Team is honestly my favourite design, despite the fact they were barely finished
7:07 just like paladin skill in WoW pre-cataclysm, CMIIW
Divine Intervention in WoW had the paladin instantly kill themselves to place a shield on the party member that made them leave combat, and unable to take any action. Divine Shield that paladin's have to make themselves invulnerable used to have heavy penalties to attacking though.
My favorite was Purity's Disciple, a hero from the pre-Allstars days.
Basically Keeper of the Light's grandma.
I've been waiting for this video :v Thanks Dennis!
14:34 Hold my meteor hammer
Can definitely see a lot of similarities between these and heroes that have come out. Also that Ghost hero sounds really cool. I am curious, at what point in Dotas history is this patch?
I think Mortal Team ultimate related to Snapfire ultimate, it's a long spell casting. Either it spell or just the attacks.
The ghost revenant is in the HON..
I've played Dota 1 since 2008 and switch to Dota 2 in 2013. But I cannot remember these heroes in the pools. How...
Beautiful, keep doing these!
Man, I remember Siraraz and the playdota thread specifically.
Wyvern Outrider seems to have been adapted into Primal Beast
Still missing Incohatus, the Formless.
We don't talk about the fight club.
Petition for Dennis to name his next cat Edgewalker
i remember there being a mode called -fun? as i recall there are quite a few heroes for the -fun mode
Remember when you can use Ursa to kill Roshan early?
Dragon hawk's 3rd skilk and Goblin techies mines combo is a guaranteed first blood.
thought this series was gonna be forgotten videos
History of raijin pls! I remember his barrier and mana consuming attackspeed buff haha
-Are you really watching porn all by yourself?
-No, I'm with the Mortar Team!
i'm a simple man, i see dennis the tall, i click
Isth the background music is soooooooo nostalgic
Hey Dennis great work, can you add this sludge like Hero from fun mode who can't right click next time but only has spells next time , never learnt how he works and now can't find him anywhere.
Thanks
I think the priest can use his 3rd to the enemy carry then use then dagger inside to snares and silence 3 to 4 heroes then use his ult to negate one morr of use it on top of the snare or the silence
Honestly, a Mortar Team-esque Siege character could be a fun addition to the game. Obviously balance becomes an issue, but I could see having a lot of fun with such a character.
There's snapfire who pretty much is a mortor team-esque seige character not just with her ult but with also her Q and E which can provide huge burst potential...and her ult can give long rage artillary in a teamfight
Another forgotten heroes makes me remember DotA fun heroes
Will you make a vid about it?
I love this series ☺️ Thanks Tall ☺️
What if techies' ultimate changed into mortar team's ultimate? That's gonna be interesting
Dragonhawk is Dragonuv that is sky wrath now.
that mortar guy is like sniper in dota imba
I want Sissy complete with male voice lines ported over!!!
He/she is basically Metatronfrom Undertale in that regard, hahahaha
Notified too late for the whole video but
Notified early enough for EDGEWALKER
Ghost Revenant is my favorite and Sissy is close. Global slow is fockin' sick
Dragon hawk has the voice of druid of the talon
is it just me or theres a 6th hero there that dennis didnt cover?
Come back after muerta reveal