If Lindor finishes top 10 in MVP again this year it’ll be the first time ever a player has had 3 consecutive top 10 MVP finishes with no Allstar appearances
Defense is looked upon way more favorably in end of seasons results. If Lindor wins a GG again he will 100% be a top 10 MVP voting. He just provides so much value.
he didnt deserve to finish top 10 in MVP either of the last two years. he has been great with the glove but his bat has been subpar for MVP votes. a sub-.800 OPS isn't good enough regardless of defensive talent.
I'm all for adding a utility spot as long as it's ONLY used for true utility guys. That would be such a badge of honor to get that spot. It would be like winning 6th man of the year in the NBA. Instant respect from everyone, acknowledgement of the importance of the role, and real recognition of the difficulty of being that guy.
define utility. two positions? 3 positions? must have an outfield and infield position? catcher + another spot that isnt 1B? im all for that idea but i feel MLB will find a way to stretch the term utility or finds a way to call a guy like Tatis or Harper a utility based on past years
@@baileysmith4744 yeah that was what I was thinking. It should be called the Zobrist spot and it should always be that kind of player. Maybe Ben Zobrist could be recruited to select the honoree and then it becomes a selection committee after that made up of all the previous winners. An ad hoc utility players hall of fame.
@@yawnberg. absolutely. the Cardinals had a few guys over the years who could have filled that spot (Edman and Donovan especially with how good their gloves are), and Zobrist is a perfect example of a utility
when Gilbert phoned his parents he said Muñoz was probably going too, I think the plan was always to replace him with Andres given they would’ve already known he couldn’t pitch based on the schedule of his starts
For each league, it should be: 10 best starting pitchers 6 best relief pitchers 2 best position players And then it should be if a team doesn’t have a representative. No one should be snubbed from being an all-star because a team needed someone to represent them.
I find it funny how someone in the chat said Riley Greene was undeserving, but no one said a thing about Jarren Duran. They're both deserving, but their stats are similar enough to where I'm not sure how you can say one deserves it but not the other.
Trevor Megill has been amazing this year and probably should've made it over Strahm, but I think Strahm playing for the Phillies makes him way more likely to make it over Megill.
Brother you gotta look at defense too, Turang has over 5 times the WAR of Arraez. Cool, Arraez hits a lot of singles but that’s all he does, Turang is 3rd in the entire national league in WAR, second in the MLB in stolen bases and is probably coming home with a gold glove this year. He’s darn near an MVP candidate let alone an All Star.
Wait...if you put in Walker for Pete (which I totally agree with) then you have to put in a Met. Lindor and Nimmo have been good but who would they replace? (Or who would replace who is a better way of asking I guess)
Ellys stats are just... better than Lindors. Saying Elly hasn't hit his stride yet doesn't really matter for a half season award when he's still just been better. Can he be better? Yea. Has he already had a better first half? Also yea.
Blanco didn’t use sticky stuff, he had rosin on his non pitching hand, which was odd to boot him for seeing he was checked and clean the first few innings of that game and shoving
I assume you don’t watch the reds that often, Trev. As a Reds fan, I think you’re too harsh on Elly. I think he’s deserving of the All-Star nod, in part bc he’s an amazing defender. He hasn’t evolved fully yet as a hitter, you’re right he has more maturing to do, but he’s come such a long way from last year, and his strikeouts aren’t as big of an issue as people make them out to be bc he also walks at a decent clip. And I don’t think you can invalidate his stolen base prowess by saying he gets caught a lot. I think this year, he’s been caught 8 times, stolen 45 bases, that’s a 90% success rate. Value wise, I think he’s very deserving of the all star. Not necessarily more than anyone else (Lindor absolutely deserves a roster spot too), but I think you’ve gone a little too far in the “hasn’t lived up to the hype” pool if you legitimately don’t think he deserves the AS nod
biggest misses from the initial list - Jack Flaherty - Jordan Westburg (now in because Devers pulled out) - Erick Fedde - Craig Kimbrel - Christian Walker (biggest snub by far) - Ryan Mountcastle - Brandon Nimmo - Anthony Santander - Ryan O'Hearn biggest spot wasters - Marcus Semien (and you cant even blame the 1-rep because Yates is in) - Pete Alonso - Clay Holmes - Heliot Ramos (not because of his stats, he just hasnt played enough games to prove he is an all star, and Webb already reps the Giants) - Cole Ragans (should be Jack Flaherty)
@@sale7423. flaherty has a better ERA, ERA+, K%, and BB%, and his WHIP is so much better than Ragans. the only edge Ragans has is last years results (which dont matter one bit) and the fact that he has more innings
@@baileysmith4744 The difference between Ragans and Flaherty's era is pretty minimal (.03 difference) and the difference in BB and WHIP is more because of Ragan's pitching style rather than any lack of command on his part so it really shouldn't be indicative of him being better or worse than Flaherty. Volume is still really important given that Ragans also has alot strikeouts overall than Flaherty.
@@sale7423. pitching style? the fuck does that have to do with being an all star? fact of the matter is he walks more guys and gives up more runs. yes Ragans has more volume, and volume does matter for end of season awards, but 3 starts difference going into the all star game is not that big of a deal, and Flaherty averages more innings per start than Ragans. Ragan's strikeout rate is lower than Flaherty's as well, he only has more total strikeouts because he made all his starts this year. if this was an MVP race id understand your logic behind accumulative stats, but Skenes is starting for the NL with half as many games and innings as either guy
@@baileysmith4744 Ragans walks more guys but he sure as hell doesn't give up more runs. Flaherty barely leads in innings per start, and Ragans has actually pitched 7 complete innings 3 times whereas Flaherty hasn't once this season. Volume absolutely does matter if you're comparing two pitchers, and the fact that Ragans is maintaining similar stats with Flaherty at more volume should definitely be a factor.
Rooker should be in the HR derby let alone an all star. This would give him a chance to increase his name value for when he most likely gets traded next month to a bigger market
Here's a question for you, Joe west started the whole sticky stuff thing did he do it on his own? Full disclosure I have met and talked to him when he owned a bar in south Florida called the infield pub and I think he would do that on his own for his love of the game.
Andres Munoz is as clear a snub as there is. The amount of 4+ out saves he’s gotten alone should get him in. You look at his actual stats and it’s a joke he wasn’t included
thats a little tough on De La Cruz, he's only 22 and he's a position player who can throw harder than you, strikeouts are just growing pains when you're 22
@@annex1289I think was overrated elly, but people who think lindor got snubbed need to go cry about it. Elly, turner, and Abrams are all definitely better this season
@@Baseball2287lindor definitely got snubbed but it wasn't because of elly. francisco is the only person in the list of top 10 players in MLB based on fwar that didn't make the team and he's ranked #7. the only NL shortstop that outranks francisco rn is, ironically, elly. it's definitely fair to say he's been snubbed when this will be the third time in four seasons where he'll be the most valuable player based on fwar to not make the all-star team. lindor is moreso just kinda screwed over by the asg system itself. mookie and trea were both voted in by fans and cj and elly are both the best player on their team and their team's only representatives. they're not going to put 5 shortstops on the roster even if lindor is objectively a better player than others who made the team in other positions (like pete alonso who will be the mets' only rep, for example)
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp it is made up of several and typically is useful for showing the best players. Although it kinda overweights defense and is weird about base running.
Sad for Gilbert. Giving up his shot at appearing to preserve his start for a team that can't produce runs for him. Let the kid go to the All Star game. Have SOME fun this year, cause God knows being in Seattle for him and Kirby ain't a fun time.
Arraez and De La Cruz may not have the OPS numbers but a game where no one steals and no one gets hits is kinda boring, and the pitching is supposed to be stacked. having a guy who can pencil in hits and another guy who will be stealing if he gets on is a great addition. not every all star needs to have lots of homers and high OPS numbers
as a Yankees fan i would of rather seen Gil get the selection over Holmes. Yea holmes was good for the first month but quickly flipped and has blown 4-5 saves now and a 1-3 record as a CP... Gil only had 2 bad outtings and hes a rookie. If Skenes is already there idk how Gil isnt.
You talk about how many orioles can be on the team but there are 5 Indians compared to 3 orioles, now 4 orioles because they wrote the wrong and put Westburg in for Deavers dropping out.
How do you have Witt over Henderson in MVP voting? Henderson is beating him in rWAR and fWAR while playing on a first place team. Witt beats him in what, being a nepo baby?
I 100% agree that Gunner is better and if voting were to end right now he should win MVP. But I don't think playing on a 1st place team should have any impact
Trea Turner doesn't deserve the starting spot, It should've been between Elly and Mookie, if he was healthy, and Lindor should've been the injury replacement for Mookie. Turner is playing great but he's played half the amount of games as everyone else.
If Lindor finishes top 10 in MVP again this year it’ll be the first time ever a player has had 3 consecutive top 10 MVP finishes with no Allstar appearances
Defense is looked upon way more favorably in end of seasons results. If Lindor wins a GG again he will 100% be a top 10 MVP voting. He just provides so much value.
he didnt deserve to finish top 10 in MVP either of the last two years. he has been great with the glove but his bat has been subpar for MVP votes. a sub-.800 OPS isn't good enough regardless of defensive talent.
@@baileysmith4744 he won silver slugger and all mlb 2nd team last year but okay lmao
@@jeremyvaccaro, and he didnt deserve either of those
@@baileysmith4744 so you’re just a hater. Got it
I'm all for adding a utility spot as long as it's ONLY used for true utility guys. That would be such a badge of honor to get that spot. It would be like winning 6th man of the year in the NBA. Instant respect from everyone, acknowledgement of the importance of the role, and real recognition of the difficulty of being that guy.
I agree, I love it
@@TrevorMayBaseballutility spot has to play at least 4 positions during the all star game?
define utility. two positions? 3 positions? must have an outfield and infield position? catcher + another spot that isnt 1B? im all for that idea but i feel MLB will find a way to stretch the term utility or finds a way to call a guy like Tatis or Harper a utility based on past years
@@baileysmith4744 yeah that was what I was thinking. It should be called the Zobrist spot and it should always be that kind of player. Maybe Ben Zobrist could be recruited to select the honoree and then it becomes a selection committee after that made up of all the previous winners. An ad hoc utility players hall of fame.
@@yawnberg. absolutely. the Cardinals had a few guys over the years who could have filled that spot (Edman and Donovan especially with how good their gloves are), and Zobrist is a perfect example of a utility
when Gilbert phoned his parents he said Muñoz was probably going too, I think the plan was always to replace him with Andres given they would’ve already known he couldn’t pitch based on the schedule of his starts
For each league, it should be:
10 best starting pitchers
6 best relief pitchers
2 best position players
And then it should be if a team doesn’t have a representative. No one should be snubbed from being an all-star because a team needed someone to represent them.
16 Pitchers is a lot
Lindor and Nimmo are two of the biggest snubs!
@baseballisfun35 he is better than De La Cruz
@baseballisfun35 but that means he was snubbed by De La Cruz
Who else is gonna go for the reds
@@Bengal-prods206 Hunter Greene is going
Agree especially Nimmo
Christian Walker got snubbed, and Joc Pederson is also having a good year.
Logan ohoppe needs some love
Big facts
I find it funny how someone in the chat said Riley Greene was undeserving, but no one said a thing about Jarren Duran. They're both deserving, but their stats are similar enough to where I'm not sure how you can say one deserves it but not the other.
Reese Olson is so overlooked because the Tigers give him no fricking run support.
The problem with Reese is that if the Tigers were to get a 3rd All Star, I think Flaherty would be the next one up
Trevor Megill has been amazing this year and probably should've made it over Strahm, but I think Strahm playing for the Phillies makes him way more likely to make it over Megill.
strahm has a better whip in more innings more ks and their era’s are .01 apart. i see no problem with strahm making it
i miss the days where Baltimore had 4 relievers in the all star game because saves werent the only stat that mattered
Brother you gotta look at defense too, Turang has over 5 times the WAR of Arraez. Cool, Arraez hits a lot of singles but that’s all he does, Turang is 3rd in the entire national league in WAR, second in the MLB in stolen bases and is probably coming home with a gold glove this year. He’s darn near an MVP candidate let alone an All Star.
Wait...if you put in Walker for Pete (which I totally agree with) then you have to put in a Met. Lindor and Nimmo have been good but who would they replace? (Or who would replace who is a better way of asking I guess)
Saying Witt is ahead of Gunnar in the MVP race is a take lol Gunnar is absolutely killing it
Ellys stats are just... better than Lindors. Saying Elly hasn't hit his stride yet doesn't really matter for a half season award when he's still just been better. Can he be better? Yea. Has he already had a better first half? Also yea.
I agree, the edge is Elly at this point.
Are you talking about strikeouts(124)1st in mlb or errors(16)also 1st in mlb ,but he has 40stolen bases😂😂😂😂😂😂
Blanco didn’t use sticky stuff, he had rosin on his non pitching hand, which was odd to boot him for seeing he was checked and clean the first few innings of that game and shoving
Utility spot makes so much sense. I mean they give a GG for it now
I assume you don’t watch the reds that often, Trev. As a Reds fan, I think you’re too harsh on Elly. I think he’s deserving of the All-Star nod, in part bc he’s an amazing defender. He hasn’t evolved fully yet as a hitter, you’re right he has more maturing to do, but he’s come such a long way from last year, and his strikeouts aren’t as big of an issue as people make them out to be bc he also walks at a decent clip. And I don’t think you can invalidate his stolen base prowess by saying he gets caught a lot. I think this year, he’s been caught 8 times, stolen 45 bases, that’s a 90% success rate. Value wise, I think he’s very deserving of the all star. Not necessarily more than anyone else (Lindor absolutely deserves a roster spot too), but I think you’ve gone a little too far in the “hasn’t lived up to the hype” pool if you legitimately don’t think he deserves the AS nod
Couldn’t agree more
Also the caught stolens still count but he hasn’t actually been CAUGHT that often
biggest misses from the initial list
- Jack Flaherty
- Jordan Westburg (now in because Devers pulled out)
- Erick Fedde
- Craig Kimbrel
- Christian Walker (biggest snub by far)
- Ryan Mountcastle
- Brandon Nimmo
- Anthony Santander
- Ryan O'Hearn
biggest spot wasters
- Marcus Semien (and you cant even blame the 1-rep because Yates is in)
- Pete Alonso
- Clay Holmes
- Heliot Ramos (not because of his stats, he just hasnt played enough games to prove he is an all star, and Webb already reps the Giants)
- Cole Ragans (should be Jack Flaherty)
Flaherty should not go over Ragans. At best it's pretty close but I don't see what edge Flaherty has over Ragans.
@@sale7423. flaherty has a better ERA, ERA+, K%, and BB%, and his WHIP is so much better than Ragans. the only edge Ragans has is last years results (which dont matter one bit) and the fact that he has more innings
@@baileysmith4744 The difference between Ragans and Flaherty's era is pretty minimal (.03 difference) and the difference in BB and WHIP is more because of Ragan's pitching style rather than any lack of command on his part so it really shouldn't be indicative of him being better or worse than Flaherty. Volume is still really important given that Ragans also has alot strikeouts overall than Flaherty.
@@sale7423. pitching style? the fuck does that have to do with being an all star? fact of the matter is he walks more guys and gives up more runs. yes Ragans has more volume, and volume does matter for end of season awards, but 3 starts difference going into the all star game is not that big of a deal, and Flaherty averages more innings per start than Ragans. Ragan's strikeout rate is lower than Flaherty's as well, he only has more total strikeouts because he made all his starts this year. if this was an MVP race id understand your logic behind accumulative stats, but Skenes is starting for the NL with half as many games and innings as either guy
@@baileysmith4744 Ragans walks more guys but he sure as hell doesn't give up more runs. Flaherty barely leads in innings per start, and Ragans has actually pitched 7 complete innings 3 times whereas Flaherty hasn't once this season. Volume absolutely does matter if you're comparing two pitchers, and the fact that Ragans is maintaining similar stats with Flaherty at more volume should definitely be a factor.
Rooker should be in the HR derby let alone an all star. This would give him a chance to increase his name value for when he most likely gets traded next month to a bigger market
Trevor May: “Setup men never make the All-Star game.”
Yennier Cano literally made it last year. 😂😂😂
Here's a question for you, Joe west started the whole sticky stuff thing did he do it on his own? Full disclosure I have met and talked to him when he owned a bar in south Florida called the infield pub and I think he would do that on his own for his love of the game.
Hey Trevor I just gotta say man, loved you on the Mets and we MISS you right now brother 😂 hope you’re enjoying retirement
You’d replace Duran with Santander? Look into what Duran has done offensively and defensively. He’s been one of the best in baseball this year.
Pete Alonso is only there because MLB wants him in the home run derby.
Turang snubbed.. don’t hit for power but has 2 grand slams and great defense
Who is more deserving of an infield reserve spot?
Player A: .309/.342/.377/.719, 50 R, 23 RBI, 2 HR, 3 SB, 20 XBH, 15 BB, 26 SO, .5 fWAR, 108 wRC+, 104 OPS+, bad defense
Player B: .253/.321/.455/.776, 61 R, 48 RBI, 16 HR, 16 SB, 41 XBH, 29 BB, 70 SO, 3.8 fWAR, 123 wRC+, 123 OPS+, GG level defense
Good morning, Trevor May! Jesse Chavez should have had the honor, if nothing else just for his longevity
Andres Munoz is as clear a snub as there is. The amount of 4+ out saves he’s gotten alone should get him in. You look at his actual stats and it’s a joke he wasn’t included
My biggest all star snub is Oneil Cruz in the home run derby
yimi garcia and daulton varsho are missing
Michael Busch snubbed 273 average. 365 on base percentage with 2.3 war
thats a little tough on De La Cruz, he's only 22 and he's a position player who can throw harder than you, strikeouts are just growing pains when you're 22
Realistically Elly should swap Bohm for 3B starter and Lindor replaces turner entirely. So Lindor is starting at SS and Elly at 3B and send Bohm to reserve. Turner missed 40 games, regardless that's too much time to make an AS, not to mention a starter.
Comparison of Elly, Lindor, Trea, and Bohm:
Elly: 62 Runs, 87 Hits, 15 HR, 40 RBI, 45 SB, .250 AVG, .343 OBP, .466 SLG, .809 OPS. 9 OAA, 9.6 (7th) Overall Defense (FanGraphs Metrics), 4.2 WAR (6th)
Lindor: 62 Runs, 93 Hits, 16 HR, 48 RBI, 16 SB, .249 AVG, .340 OBP, .447 SLG, .764 OPS. 9 OAA, 9.6 (6th) Overall Defense (FanGraphs Metrics), 3.8 WAR (9th)
Trea: 46 Runs, 79 Hits, 9 HR , 28 RBI, 12 SB, .348 AVG, .393 OBP, .529 SLG, .922 OPS. -3 OAA, -0.9 (867th) Overall Defense (FanGraphs Metrics), 2.5 WAR (52nd) - MISSED 40 GAMES
Bohm: 40 Runs, 103 Hits, 11 HR, 70 RBI, 4 SB, .292 AVG, .342 OBP, .479 SLG, .821 OPS. 0 OAA, 0.9 (212th) Overall Defense (FanGraphs Metrics) , 2.7 WAR (45th)
Elly has a 4.2 war this season so far... who's part of the 25 guys who are doing better than that?
3.2
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wpfWAR>>>>
Right? The only player in the NL with more fWAR is Ohtani and he's acting like he shouldn't be an All-Star.
@@annex1289I think was overrated elly, but people who think lindor got snubbed need to go cry about it. Elly, turner, and Abrams are all definitely better this season
@@Baseball2287lindor definitely got snubbed but it wasn't because of elly.
francisco is the only person in the list of top 10 players in MLB based on fwar that didn't make the team and he's ranked #7. the only NL shortstop that outranks francisco rn is, ironically, elly. it's definitely fair to say he's been snubbed when this will be the third time in four seasons where he'll be the most valuable player based on fwar to not make the all-star team.
lindor is moreso just kinda screwed over by the asg system itself. mookie and trea were both voted in by fans and cj and elly are both the best player on their team and their team's only representatives. they're not going to put 5 shortstops on the roster even if lindor is objectively a better player than others who made the team in other positions (like pete alonso who will be the mets' only rep, for example)
Elly de la Cruz is leading the league in war for short stops. He is deserving of being in there if not a starter.
War is one statistic
@@TheoBresnahan-vk4wp it is made up of several and typically is useful for showing the best players. Although it kinda overweights defense and is weird about base running.
Rondel blondo is one of the biggest snubs for me
my biggest case for Josh Smith is that he's leading the Rangers in bWAR (3.3)
Marcus Semien over Josh Smith is just egregious
Andres Munoz is biggest snub he is better than clay holmes in every way
Sad for Gilbert. Giving up his shot at appearing to preserve his start for a team that can't produce runs for him. Let the kid go to the All Star game. Have SOME fun this year, cause God knows being in Seattle for him and Kirby ain't a fun time.
Twins fan here. My snubs are Griffin Jax and Willi Castro. Jax > Holmes and Willi > Semien
If they wanted a Yankee bullpen arm they should’ve picked Luke Weaver over Clay Holmes. More Innings, more strikeouts, lower WHIP and ERA.
dude hates the reds lmao
Luis Gil should be in there.
Total Elly misinformation 😂
How tf do you think Gunnar is behind Bobby in the MVP race dude? Makes absolutely no sense
This hasn’t aged too well lol
Arraez and De La Cruz may not have the OPS numbers but a game where no one steals and no one gets hits is kinda boring, and the pitching is supposed to be stacked. having a guy who can pencil in hits and another guy who will be stealing if he gets on is a great addition. not every all star needs to have lots of homers and high OPS numbers
No Jose Miranda?
Elly wasn’t a swap in what???😂 also he’s second in the NL in fWAR, even if you don’t think he’s complete he’s still better than basically everyone
he’s simply not better than everyone wtf 😂😂 blinded by bias I see
I’ve read some very stupid, emotional or uninformed comments on YT. This is one of them.
Bobby Witt has been caught stealing more times than elly, i bet no one would say he runs when he shouldnt😭😭
No love for Brenton Doyle
(O’) Doyle rules!
No STL representation... except the one pitcher that choked hard in the post season last year... oh hell
Andres who? Craig Kimbrel!
How was Ronel Blanco not an all star
Patrick Bailey by far and away was snubbed. Lack of respect.
Ryan Walker should be an all-star
I agree trev
Jesse Chavez!
Josh H Smith SNUBBED
Contreras is great but Will Smith has been better. On a team with big names, hes kinda underrated imo.
Trevor will you ever do a Fortnite stream?
Looking through the comments i see that Trevors biggest audience is Mets fans lol😊
GOD BLESS
josh smith is a big snub at 3rd, or jordan westburg
Raffy isn't playing😭😭😭😭😭😭
Biggest snub is Trevor May!
as a Yankees fan i would of rather seen Gil get the selection over Holmes. Yea holmes was good for the first month but quickly flipped and has blown 4-5 saves now and a 1-3 record as a CP... Gil only had 2 bad outtings and hes a rookie. If Skenes is already there idk how Gil isnt.
they aren't all star snubs when every team must be represented, and the starters are voted by fans.
Brice Turang is so underrated that you spelt his name wrong. 😁
Andres Munoz Robbed
The biggest snub is not explaining why you had the Luke Littler walk on video on
We were talking about a pitcher competition format and I used littlers entrance as an example for how pitchers should enter lol
@@TrevorMayBaseball thanks for clarifying, I was so confused, love from 🇬🇧
Justin Steele should be there
Cal Raleigh snubbed
so why isn’t trevor megill on the allstar team that doesn’t make much sense
Mitch Keller
Missed Jake Irvin. THATS who should have replaced Webb.
You talk about how many orioles can be on the team but there are 5 Indians compared to 3 orioles, now 4 orioles because they wrote the wrong and put Westburg in for Deavers dropping out.
No love for Nimmo
Kenley deserved the All Star nod over Holmes
Brewers are disrespected again.. big surprise
Westberg is an all star no?
How do you have Witt over Henderson in MVP voting? Henderson is beating him in rWAR and fWAR while playing on a first place team. Witt beats him in what, being a nepo baby?
I 100% agree that Gunner is better and if voting were to end right now he should win MVP. But I don't think playing on a 1st place team should have any impact
@@schlootle I agree, it's at best a tie-breaker. I was just eliminating it as a potential reason to go with Witt.
Nimmo is not better than Teo Hernandez.
Trea Turner doesn't deserve the starting spot, It should've been between Elly and Mookie, if he was healthy, and Lindor should've been the injury replacement for Mookie. Turner is playing great but he's played half the amount of games as everyone else.
Lindor and Nimmo not being all stars legitimately pisses me off and I rarely get annoyed but the whole Pete making it for the derby is tired
Elly takes are bad
Masyn Winn got robbed 💀
Putting elly in Allstar game is an insult. Dudes batting average has never been over 260. He's a glorified track star with a good arm
you are a clown and don't know ball.
Turner should not be an all star
you kinda look like big cat
Rengifo should be an allstar