my personal take: People forget the accelerator has ≈500 attacking damage per second. Accelerator is meant to kill bosses and god damn it does a good job at doing it. Golden minigunner on the other hand, while it does has less DPS, it has a higher placement limit meaning you can have more maximum DPS, although it isn’t as good for bosses.
more maximum dps obviously means g mini is better for bosses. if anything accelerator may be better for hard maps, where range is important (g mini has less range)
15 g mini's with 220 dps each (no commanders) is 3300 dps (no overcharge btw only stuns) accelerator does 284 dps with an 8 placement limit, 2274 dps, with only 2 more range than g mini, has a lock on feature which is bad for summons from bosses but other dps towers still exist, has a charge up time longer than golden mini, gets overcharged faster with commander you can bring lets say ranger with 7 placement limit and accelerator with 1323 total dps, another dps tower lets say pursuit with 10 placement limit that does 1690 dps total adds up to accelerators 2274 dps, 1323 and 1690 dps aka 5287 dps , lets say there are 4 commanders and 1 DJ thats 30 towers now golden mini has a 15 limit, pursuit 10 thats 25, ranger 7 thats 32, 4 commanders 1 dj thats 37 towers so this means that g mini is only good for solo's and duos accelerator on the other hand is good in all of them (solo duo trio quad) sorry if its too long
yes accel can be buffed but not fully buffed since cooldown and charge up time can't be reduced, but the firerate boost makes it so that it will do more bursts in the same amount of time
its really bad against fast enemies cuz if you have less dps it takes longer to kill a glitch and the other glitches will reach accels range but if you have alot of dps accel is gonna kill all the glitches in its range before the last glitches get in accels range making accel recharge again
What kind of logic is that bruh???? Are u telling me that doing 3600 dmg in 8 sec is same as 3600 dmg in 5.33 sec?? It just doesn't have maximum efficiency.
about multiplee people i disagree,its worth using in trios duos and even sometimes quads but sometimes its jsut better to get engi and accel in quad then g mini with something else
Well the answer is gmini is better than accel and engi. Even combined Gmini gets 100% of buffs from firerate buffs Accel gets 44% Engi gets like 20% Damage is similar and combined with firerate multiplies it together This turns mini 240 dps to 360 witb commander. 432 with red travk dj and commanders. Accel has 300 dps, 385 with commander. And 426 with dj and commander. Engi has 420 dps, 461 with commander. 481 wirh dj and commander. As well as that all these dps towers has flaws. Which further increases the utility of gmini Accel has to kill the enemy or overcharge to change target, it takes 2 seconds (3 if they are not maxxed) to start attacking, even more if the enemy just entered its range. And you can only place 8 of them Engi must build the sentries to max dps. Detection is only for the engineer until lvl 5 where sentries get hd. If stunned multiple times. The dps will take a toll for a while, and since her attacks take some time before they hit, it may cripple engi’s sentries dps Gmini only has a 2.25 rev time. If a perfextly timed medic. The rev time is reduced when he is stunned. And the cost is great, but at the cost of smaller range
welp cuz he uses g.soldier instead of g.cowboy so he is lack of money in early and mid game that's why he cant get strong DPS tower to speed up his process in mid game ( which might save lots of time)
not rlly, 6 engi deals 2700 dps, while 15 g mini deals 3300, not considering commander/dj/merc base dmg/firerate buff doesn't effect engi that much and effect g mini more as sentries don't get buffed
@@JoeMama1190yesyes600 dps isnt a very big difference and mini doesnt have stun immunity like engineer anyways so its gonna be attacking pretty much no matter what.
@@JoeMama1190yesyes you are sort of correct, but we are not counting the war machine sentries' splash damage and overall the engineer's better versatility, but you may be saying " yeah, and what? 15 g minis have more dps so then g mini is overall better, right? " and you would be right if it wasnt because engi gives more dps for less price, so instead of using one or the other, you should use engi as the main dps and g mini as a secondary dps option, this is especially true for gamemodes like hardcore where at the end what matters is the total dps of your loadout, and in gamemodes like molten and easy you dont get the money to get all 15 g minis, the only gamemode that doesnt fall into any category is fallen where you get the money for one of the two, but not enough for both, but its still better to use both overall.
Yea but its just gmini's dps skyrocketting with evey buff it receives. With commander with coa. His dps skyrockets from 3,333 to 5,294 dps. That's just commander's buff, if you include merc and dj then it's overall better than engineer in terms of dps. 15 Gmini's max dps without flags: 7,411. 6 Engineers max dps without flags: 3,094. The only thing that engi beats gmini in is the fact that she can made it up to wave 40 in fallen without assistance.
Gmini actually got nerfed, in most solo games normal minigunner actually has a higher max dps, thanks to the lack of the stupid placement limit of 15, it actually made me lose solo fallen where replaying the same map with the same strategy with normal mini I easily killed the fallen king.
G mini only got nerfed in solo and duo. In everything else it's a buff. So the trick is to use regular mini for solo, and g mini for multiplayer. But note that regular mini has way less range and that could be a problem.
Golden mini is the beest option because it can get full value out of all buffs (Range damage discount and firerate boost)Accelerator and engineer cant do that also accelerator stops attacking bc he has an overcharge mechanic and engineer stops attacking to build sentries which are the main dps od the engineer
accel has more dps but has a placement limit of 8 and is around 50k to max gmini has less dps but has almost double placement limit and is only around 35k to max being more cost efficient, and having more max dps accel also has overcharge and a longer charge up than gmini
@@КостяПобленський0.25 is not a big deal The biggest deal is Mini's range. It balance out the fact that mini can't be overcharged and have better targetting
reasons to use gmini: u can do early game with gmini for example: 1. farm 2. gcowboy 3. gmini 4. engie .5 support in the late game u do 6 engies and 14 gminis (14gm>8acc) the support best to utilize this is merc base / medic (micro) / dj if ur NOT doing early game then accel is better but if u do then gmini is superior
Anyway, i don't have any g skins and don't have engi +i don't wanna try hc again, accel is enough for me, change my mind to learn strats for hc, but now... APEX PREDATOOOOOOR 🗣️🔥🔥🔥!
@@tbroreal lmao, still overall having a higher placement limit is better for maximum dps. accelerator has soo many other weaknesses too like for example it sucks against enemies like bolts and tanks
"and then i spammed rangers at some point to not die to flying enemies"
golden soldier with flying detection:
my personal take:
People forget the accelerator has ≈500 attacking damage per second. Accelerator is meant to kill bosses and god damn it does a good job at doing it. Golden minigunner on the other hand, while it does has less DPS, it has a higher placement limit meaning you can have more maximum DPS, although it isn’t as good for bosses.
Actually, the DPS of accel while attacking is 416 not 500, because of the rof bug
more maximum dps obviously means g mini is better for bosses. if anything accelerator may be better for hard maps, where range is important (g mini has less range)
15 g mini's with 220 dps each (no commanders) is 3300 dps (no overcharge btw only stuns)
accelerator does 284 dps with an 8 placement limit, 2274 dps, with only 2 more range than g mini, has a lock on feature which is bad for summons from bosses but other dps towers still exist, has a charge up time longer than golden mini, gets overcharged faster with commander
you can bring lets say ranger with 7 placement limit and accelerator with 1323 total dps, another dps tower lets say pursuit with 10 placement limit that does 1690 dps total
adds up to accelerators 2274 dps, 1323 and 1690 dps aka 5287 dps , lets say there are 4 commanders and 1 DJ thats 30 towers
now golden mini has a 15 limit, pursuit 10 thats 25, ranger 7 thats 32, 4 commanders 1 dj thats 37 towers
so this means that g mini is only good for solo's and duos
accelerator on the other hand is good in all of them (solo duo trio quad)
sorry if its too long
@@david-tc3riwait how does accel do half of its suppsed dps?
@@officialTDSglazerrate of fire bug
0:52 "The ranger did really good"
accel*
@@desireddesert5735 ranger*
Accelerate can't be buffed in dps really since changeup and codons and more damage means it will just reach its overcharge faster anyways
More bursts in same amount of time = more dps
yes accel can be buffed but not fully buffed since cooldown and charge up time can't be reduced, but the firerate boost makes it so that it will do more bursts in the same amount of time
its really bad against fast enemies cuz if you have less dps it takes longer to kill a glitch and the other glitches will reach accels range but if you have alot of dps accel is gonna kill all the glitches in its range before the last glitches get in accels range making accel recharge again
What kind of logic is that bruh????
Are u telling me that doing 3600 dmg in 8 sec is same as 3600 dmg in 5.33 sec??
It just doesn't have maximum efficiency.
this video is really nice made and only 52 subs? dayum
accel is actually worse than engi in every way now
Range son
And micro mini is such a pain (or just use engi 🥶)
I mean engi costs more gems than accel so it makes sense
Since accel used to be best tower but not now anyway
@@WilcentEdwardid rather mini’ing
@@lontolloolpaakpak2 ranger > all dps tower if he got cliff spot and i wont talk about hidden enemies
So Gmini is better than accel but in dps, when you cant plase much towers or dont have much money accel is kinda better
about multiplee people i disagree,its worth using in trios duos and even sometimes quads but sometimes its jsut better to get engi and accel in quad then g mini with something else
0:29 i was over level 320 something when i got the engineer 💀i just got it like a week or two ago
Very Relatable
Underated ass youtuber
Well the answer is gmini is better than accel and engi. Even combined
Gmini gets 100% of buffs from firerate buffs
Accel gets 44%
Engi gets like 20%
Damage is similar and combined with firerate multiplies it together
This turns mini 240 dps to 360 witb commander. 432 with red travk dj and commanders.
Accel has 300 dps, 385 with commander. And 426 with dj and commander.
Engi has 420 dps, 461 with commander. 481 wirh dj and commander.
As well as that all these dps towers has flaws. Which further increases the utility of gmini
Accel has to kill the enemy or overcharge to change target, it takes 2 seconds (3 if they are not maxxed) to start attacking, even more if the enemy just entered its range. And you can only place 8 of them
Engi must build the sentries to max dps. Detection is only for the engineer until lvl 5 where sentries get hd. If stunned multiple times. The dps will take a toll for a while, and since her attacks take some time before they hit, it may cripple engi’s sentries dps
Gmini only has a 2.25 rev time. If a perfextly timed medic. The rev time is reduced when he is stunned. And the cost is great, but at the cost of smaller range
How do you get 30 minute times I usually get around 20-25 minutes timee
@@Arcinerackgaming no idea
Let me know if you need help with anything in tds
@@Arcinerackgaminghim needing help? Lol
welp cuz he uses g.soldier instead of g.cowboy so he is lack of money in early and mid game that's why he cant get strong DPS tower to speed up his process in mid game ( which might save lots of time)
I use golden soldier too
engi is way better in dps than accel with commander, so engi is still better than g mini.
not rlly, 6 engi deals 2700 dps, while 15 g mini deals 3300, not considering commander/dj/merc base dmg/firerate buff doesn't effect engi that much and effect g mini more as sentries don't get buffed
@@JoeMama1190yesyes600 dps isnt a very big difference and mini doesnt have stun immunity like engineer anyways so its gonna be attacking pretty much no matter what.
@@JoeMama1190yesyes you are sort of correct, but we are not counting the war machine sentries' splash damage and overall the engineer's better versatility, but you may be saying " yeah, and what? 15 g minis have more dps so then g mini is overall better, right? " and you would be right if it wasnt because engi gives more dps for less price, so instead of using one or the other, you should use engi as the main dps and g mini as a secondary dps option, this is especially true for gamemodes like hardcore where at the end what matters is the total dps of your loadout, and in gamemodes like molten and easy you dont get the money to get all 15 g minis, the only gamemode that doesnt fall into any category is fallen where you get the money for one of the two, but not enough for both, but its still better to use both overall.
Yea but its just gmini's dps skyrocketting with evey buff it receives.
With commander with coa. His dps skyrockets from 3,333 to 5,294 dps. That's just commander's buff, if you include merc and dj then it's overall better than engineer in terms of dps.
15 Gmini's max dps without flags: 7,411.
6 Engineers max dps without flags: 3,094.
The only thing that engi beats gmini in is the fact that she can made it up to wave 40 in fallen without assistance.
this is just wrong cuz sentries dont get buffed by commander but with dj only engi is still better 95% of the time
Gmini actually got nerfed, in most solo games normal minigunner actually has a higher max dps, thanks to the lack of the stupid placement limit of 15, it actually made me lose solo fallen where replaying the same map with the same strategy with normal mini I easily killed the fallen king.
G mini prolly made for multiplayer
The thing is that normal mini has bad range and it's really expensive to upgrade and only good when spammed
If ur losing with 15 golden minis that's a skill issue not a tower issue
Using golden mini is still preferable over normal mini in solo badlands, solo pizza party, solo pw2 and speedrun solo fallen.
G mini only got nerfed in solo and duo. In everything else it's a buff. So the trick is to use regular mini for solo, and g mini for multiplayer. But note that regular mini has way less range and that could be a problem.
short answer: YES!
Nah you gotta be kidding when accel gets a full upgrade all it will take like 1 mins or less
i somehow got 28 minutes with both dps towers
Picture in Motion From Furi… do you play that? Also..?
Reason why g mini is better? First off these 2 tower engi and accel can be buff but not fully and g mini can be fully buffed
Bro g mini is just for secondary dps on quad or trio...15 tower slot is a big deal
HOW YOU KNOW WIN MODE FALLEN KING
Dont worry about not having engi bro. I am lvl 273 and still dont have it
I finally got it yesterday >:)
@@Dove3in1nice
@@Dove3in1I am 3.7k gems short(I will get engi in 2053)
How did bro grt so much money with no farm or cowboy
what was your loadout for it?
did u even look at the vid
turret now can have 700 dps with comander and dj
Accel really fell from grace.
0:30 im level 280+ and i dont even have accel
Golden mini is the beest option because it can get full value out of all buffs (Range damage discount and firerate boost)Accelerator and engineer cant do that also accelerator stops attacking bc he has an overcharge mechanic and engineer stops attacking to build sentries which are the main dps od the engineer
Accel is only good if u don't own engi and are playing trios/quads
accel has more dps but has a placement limit of 8 and is around 50k to max
gmini has less dps but has almost double placement limit and is only around 35k to max being more cost efficient, and having more max dps
accel also has overcharge and a longer charge up than gmini
Max gmini charges slower than accel
2.25 (gmini) vs 2 (accel)
@@КостяПобленський well 0.25 seconds is barely noticeable
@@КостяПобленський0.25 is not a big deal
The biggest deal is Mini's range. It balance out the fact that mini can't be overcharged and have better targetting
reasons to use gmini: u can do early game with gmini for example:
1. farm 2. gcowboy 3. gmini 4. engie .5 support
in the late game u do 6 engies and 14 gminis (14gm>8acc)
the support best to utilize this is merc base / medic (micro) / dj
if ur NOT doing early game then accel is better but if u do then gmini is superior
Good loadout
why 2 eco towers??
@@pattifry7742 so u dont get left out in the farming after defending.
Anyway, i don't have any g skins and don't have engi +i don't wanna try hc again, accel is enough for me, change my mind to learn strats for hc, but now...
APEX PREDATOOOOOOR 🗣️🔥🔥🔥!
I am not surprised haha
I am lv 300 and i dont have botg engi and brawler lol
Literally staying on old days with old loadout
Forget about engi or g mini, even ranger is better now in some times
ranger isnt even that good, yall just glazing ranger so much
Ranger with commander is actually better then accelerator
I got engineer at level 113💀 0:29
I got accel and lvl 63
@ dang nice I got mine around lvl 65 so I was close to you
@@Nathanplayz.shorts and brawler at lvl 71 and engi at 115
That’s nothing I’m lvl 160 and I still don’t have accel
U can get accel and brawler for 3750 gems but engineer is 4500 gem😂
and engineer sweeps both of them lmao
@@pattifry7742 i forgot accel nerf sorry💀
Accelerator is way better imo bc of its lower placement limit and better cost efficiency
wth are you on? golden minigunner is more cost efficient, and is a lower placement limit a good thing??? god dang these accel meatriders.
@@pattifry7742 well a month fucking later yeah obviously
@@pattifry7742 and a lower placement limit is better for microing and to bring other dps
@@tbroreal lmao, still overall having a higher placement limit is better for maximum dps. accelerator has soo many other weaknesses too like for example it sucks against enemies like bolts and tanks
@@pattifry7742 1. I just said “yes, golden mini gunner is now obviously better and 2. a lower placement limit for the same or better dps is better
No farm!?!?!?!
yup
Not for solo new fallen
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How the hell do i have more subs than this kid
Accel is worst dps
The best hardcore towers is accelator and brawler
brawler and engineer*
Best duo:
P1:farm engineer commander golden scoot or soldier and dj
P2:farm engineer pursuit merc base accel
Accel fell off hard
Lvl 266 didn't triumphed hidden wave and hc☠️
bruh :)) im have engi at the begin lever of 100 😂😂😂
That just means u dont have that many gold crates unlike this guy who probably has most if not all
damn thats no life
i wont like sub greedy