This is good, but without power usage numbers is not accurate. Keep in mind 4080 has 40 to 80 watts less than 7900XTX and over 150watt more efficient than 4090. So cost per frame figures will be actually in 4080 favour when electricity cost is added . Here in UK it matters a lot when el prices have risen drastically.
Really glad to see both DF and GN provide that kind of coverage, it's so much more useful than simply looking at framerate numbers and graphs and probably a more objective way of looking a gpu value
Wild that the 4090's performance gap is still so wide, especially since last gen the 3090 was only like 10-15% faster than 3080 at most. Simply built different
That 384bit bus and extra 6K cores just go so hard (especially at 4K), as well as probably the more unconstrained power. Damn glad I got mine instead of the 4080S.
It's more expensive than the 4080 ever was in Australia. It's so stupid. In fact the 4080 is down $200 and the Super is up $100 over the old 4080 price.
Nvidia took a page out of the Apple playbook and it seems like it's working for them. The amount of people that seemingly went for the 4090 seemed proportionately higher than people that used to buy Titans or 90-series cards in the past. God I wish this card was like, $700 instead of a grand.
I've been thrilled with my 4080 FE (non super) performance purchased last September. I obviously wanted the 4090 but the FE was always out of stock and the third party ones were $1900+ (vs $1600 for the FE). The performance at 32:9 has been amazing and way better than my expectations.
That's still $300 bucks over the 3080 launch price. And 3080s currently cost about $800 bucks at Newegg at the cheapest. So it's less a question of "is the price cut enough for gamers" but "is a $200-$300 price increase for the next generation worth it?" Because i think the people who have the money to burn already bought 4090s, like myself.
The 4080 is in an entirety different class of performance thsn the 3080, blows it out of the water using less power draw. Plenty of people bought the 4080 before the Super refresh, not that much less than the 4090.
@@Wobbothe3rd3080 was 63% more powerful than 2080 at the same MSRP, 4080 was 49% more powerful than 3080 at 1.7x the price. Seems like a gen-on-gen upgrade, not some entirely new class of card. Also, there are about 24% more 4090s on Steam than 4080s as of December, which is remarkable considering the pricing.
@@HunterTracks Another way to look at it is that typically a next gen card card should perform as well as one tier slower than the previous gen. For ex. a 4070 should be as fast as a 3080. However, the 4080 is way more powerful than both the 3090 AND the 3090 ti and doing it much more efficiently. People who were fine paying $1000 for a 2080ti, 3080ti are having no issues paying the same for a 4080.
Have to wait a while. The RRPs are nonsense in Oz, but the retailers are sticking with them for a couple of weeks after launch. In the same way that the cheapest 4070s had already dropped to
@@HunterTracksSome 7900 XTX cards can reach a power limit of 450 Watts. My brother has a MBA (Made By AMD) Refrence 7900 XTX, and with the new 24.1.1 Drivers, it has a power limit of +15% (Used to only be +10%). And with it, I have seen the Card reach right to the 400 Watt mark in some case, and mind you, the refrence card only has 2 of the 8 pin PCIE Power Connectors.
Yeah, it's "shameful" that Nvidia cut the price by $200 on one of their best selling cards 🙄. Pull your head out of your ass, nobody who has a 4080 is buying a 4080 Super, it's going to continue to sell well no matter how many people write whiny comments on social media
@@Wobbothe3rd Best selling card? Please. No one was buying it my dude. Same goes for the other cards that are being replaced by the so called "SUPER" version.
9900xtx for example is going to have around 46k cores compared to 12k on 7900xtx, so pretty much the 4090 will be like how we view a 980ti today in only 2 years
so 4000 core cpus at 0.2nm are pretty much expected to happen, and scaling of 25x gpu per watt as well, so 600 watts 500k core gpus is pretty much ensured@@johnmoore1495
@@RonnieMcNutt666 no man. we are approaching gpu development wall already, gpus are getting massive and power drawn getting more and more ridiculous with each new releases, we will still see improvements over the 4090 but not as big and fast compared to previous generations
with ngreedia prob charching you 100% more for same pref tier, for only wanting their brand. Keep feeding the Jensen, if people like you continue to do that, i am sure one day no one outside of big buiesness can afford their cards.
@@AdaaDK relax my guy, op wants good performance for their money, why chastise them? the 50 series doesnt exist yet. theres plenty that you can find wrong with the current gen
Same. Waiting for RTX 5090 to replace my RTX 3090. I'm hoping they forgo the 12VHPWR crap, and actually improve on the efficiency. 5090 doesn't need to trounce the 4090. As long as 5090 is running about 20-30% faster than 4090 while using far less wattage would be very nice 👌
@@AdaaDK Bro, AMD GPUs are bunk at 4K. DLSS & RTX are untouchable. Nothing comes close. If you want budget, go AMD. If you want industry leading graphics, you go NVIDIA.
@@Wobbothe3rd thats more a reflection of how poorly the 3090ti was priced. if you mean the 3080 then well, its not looking that great. or you are joking....
The 7900XT is very underrated. I got mine for $750 and I think for the value and how close it gets to the 4080 at times makes it a very good card to look at
I agree, but strictly at its new current price of about £720/$750. At that price it's not all that much more than the 4070 Super, with more VRAM, much better raster performance and similar RT performance, provided you don't ask it to path trace Cyberpunk. At its original launch price it was a total joke, but now it's arguably the value king of this generation.
In Australia it doesn't seem like we've benefited from the price cut because the price is still around the same as og 4080 at sites like pc case gear. I'll stick to my 3080 until the 5000 series i think
We did yeah. My local Micro Center had a bunch of Asus TUF 4080 Supers for $999 and some more premium ones for $1100 although if you ask me no GPU feels as premium as the Asus TUF lol.
I'm seeing 4080 supers in a German online store (mindfactory) for 1109€-1228€ (depending on the version). $999 converted to € and with 19% VAT added, you get about 1100€, so the cheapest of the 4080 supers is pretty close to the US MSRP.
As a 1440p user with a 3080 I find these analysis videos fascinating; I won't be replacing my GPU any time soon, but they give me a good idea of which card I can think about getting once prices reduce.
The 3080 really was a brilliant buy when it came out. I have 2 friends that bought them at launch and haven't bothered looking at upgrades since beyond a passing glance.
@@Two49 I think it's still an excellent buy if you stick to 1440p. I still haven't encountered anything that I can't play at high settings and a minimum of 60 fps. Once I have to start lowering settings, it'll be time to pack it in.
One of the joys of high-end graphics cards is that you can crank the settings without thinking, particularly in older games like Control. Not for this one, sadly.
The 4080 was a perfectly good value at OG MSRP, it's a GREAT value now. If the 4090 didn't exist the 4080 would still be objectively the fastest card available overall.
As long as RT remains an optional toggle, AMD will always be better value for money. I switched from an RTX 3070 to a Radeon 7800 XT and am very happy with the huge boost to non-RT performance. It'll take at least 1 more console generation before RT becomes an absolute requirement in AAA games, i.e. you absolutely cannot even launch the game without an RT capable card. By then both AMD and Nvidia should have cards that offer acceptable RT performance without costing $1k+...
AMD fluid motion fluidity toggle available for all games =/= actual game integrated frame generation. Fluid motion frames are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than game integrated frame generation, which is still overwhelmingly supported on Nvidia cards.
Thanks Nvidia for making my decision so easy - I'm going AMD. This is just a joke. Almost no performance uplift and the price cut is non existend, at least here in Germany. 4080 and 4080S costs pretty much the same, and no 50 bucks difference on a 1000€ product does not count.
I'll make it easy for Nvidia: 4080 super $799 (current $999) 4070 ti super $599 (current $799) 4070 super $499 (current $599) 4070 $429 (current $549) 4060 Ti 16 GB $349 (current $449) 4060 Ti $299 (current $399) 4060 $249 (current $299) We know they won't price 4090 a penny under its current price, but I think without AI fucking up everything you'd hope for it to be under $1000. AMD should be responding more actively but aren't budging on their prices. They announced a price drop that is "temporary" which we had already seen the cards hit in reality. Prices I think would make some sense: 7900 XT - $599 7900 xtx - $699
I was able to get a 7900xtx open box for 849 and I'm so glad I pulled the trigger on it. Was waiting on the 4080 super but it just didnt make sense to me.
Congrats you bought a glorified 3080 without AI acceleration you're so smart. If even half of these comments were real people the 7900XTX would rank near the bottom of the Steam Hardware Survey every month, lol
@@Wobbothe3rd Gee, you're clueless and passive agressive for some reason. The XTX can match and even outperform a 3080Ti in ray tracing and demolish it in rasterization. Its the second most powerful raster GPU behind the 4090.
@@chiefbigpoohThat's a pretty good price. I end up getting a Sapphire Nitro+ XTX for $900 open box 6 or so months ago. The guy above is also hilariously wrong. It can keep up and even be a bit ahead of my 3080Ti in raytracing and demolish it rasterizarion.
If you asked me to summarise that Video I wouldn't be able to as it just degenerates into a sea of almost identical names and numbers to me. Just buy the best card you can afford seems like the best bet to me.
@@Wobbothe3rd The 3090ti card was one of the most insanely priced GPU's ever, not a good idea to take that as a reference point for pricing. But I'm sure Nvidia would like you to do that!
@@mechanicalmonk2020 I think that is exactly what they did this generation. The 4080 is nowhere near as good as the former x80 cards were compared to the very best. Same with the x70 and x60 cards especially, they just suck.
Price went from absolutely atrocious, to terrible. I can't believe how badly Nvidia fucked their legendary 80-series branding this generation, all to get people to buy a 4090 instead. And then AMD launched 900 series products this gen and they only competed with Nvidia's 80 series products this time around. What an all-around mess. Still, I say this as a happy 7900xtx owner - I'd pay the extra $50-$70 for a 4080 Super for the extra RT performance and DLSS, if I was in the market for a high-end GPU at the moment. AMD needs to knock the price of the XTX down to $850+$900 unless they want sales to flatline.
@@chrisvig123you have no idea what you're talking about, stop lying. The 4090 has already sold to almost 1 out of every 100 gamers, the 4080 almost as well as that. Overall 10% of all PC Gamers bought a rtx40 card, despite the massive overspending on the previous generation from the lockdowns. AMD is barely a factor at all this generation, the 7900XTX is the ONLY Radeon 7000 card that even shows up on the Steam Hardware Survey at all.
@@Wobbothe3rd "The 4080 sold just fine, stop complaining!!" Why did Nvidia just give it a $200 price cut while no other Super card got anywhere near that? Got an actual explanation for that?
I'm still waiting for an x80 GPU under 600$, an x70 under 400$, and an x60 under 300$ (and I'm being generous with those prices honestly)... I have not forgotten about the actual prices GPUs were before they quadrupled because of material shortages, scalpers, and crypto-miners.
You may as well quit PC gaming for good then--im serious. If you think Nvidia will ever drop prices to that level again, you are ignoring reality and living in fantasy. Nvidia has overcharged for these cards and everyone has bought them, the 4080 Super is sold out everywhere and the 4090 is so popular it's still selling for 2x it's price. Face it, the reasonable prices you want are gone for good. Nvidia will not reduce inflated prices when people are still buying them like hot cakes. And since people will continue to buy them, the price will only keep increasing. As such, if you truly refuse to pay anything more than old outdated pricing, you should just quit pc gaming and switch to consoles where your price range will stay much more sane and stable
@@KrazzeeKane Yeah I know, sadly haha. This comment was kinda sarcastic, I was just venting and trying to help (at my small scale) new people understand that these are not "normal prices" (other types of components have NOT increased their prices this much). When it comes to buying new hardware, for now I'm personally still confortable with my pretty good GTX1080 & i7 7700k (although the lack of cores at the time made this era's CPUs age terribly), which can still run any game on high settings (at 1080p) at 40-80fps ; but I know that when the time comes to buy a new PC, I will just look for big discounts on specific pre-built setups and hope to get lucky. I'm just done taking the time to buy components at this kind of MSRP price.
It's depressing, isn't it? Seeing a $1000 graphics card sell out so quickly shows nobody is willing to speak with their wallet and @KrazzeeKane is right. Like it or not, this is the way it's going. I did seriously consider giving up PC gaming but will likely just hang on to my GTX 1080 for as long as possible and just have to pay a shi**y price for a shi**y card, in the near future.
If it wasn't for the heavy community backlash after DF's 4070Ti video, Digital Foundry would still be happy to shill Nvidia products. Remember, that was the video in which Rich said "it costs more, but it delivers more", the kind of psychopatic gaslighting that Jensen (Nvidia CEO) likes to say: "the more you buy, the more you save". So, yeah, at least this 4080 Super review has some connection with reality, but $1000 MSRP is still ridiculously overpriced. Even with inflation calculated in, this should have never been more than a $750 card (only $800 if it had more VRAM).
The pathtracing comparison really shows how far AMD is behind when it comes to proper RT/PT performance. Even if FSR3 was in the game, that implies it'd only hit about 50 fps, and it'd be way too sluggish because the normal FPS was below 30. I hope AMD actually tries to compete when it comes to AI and RT soon, because so far it's been relatively disappointing. We desperately need that competition!
A RTX 4080 at launch should have been $800 and now SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, a RTX 4080 Super should be $800. Cost per frame is very subjective and really shouldn't be the only metric people use. Performance, features and time past should be considered when buying instead of a cost per frame metric.
@@GarrettTobyC13lmao, this kind of comment is stupid beyond belief, I could buy 10 4090 right now if I wanted, know why I don't even buy one and stay on my old gpu ? Because the current prices for anything above the 4070S are hyper inflated, and they know it, otherwise that "price cut" from 1.2k to 1k would have never happened, anything above the 4070 super is not worth their asking price for gaming, simple as that, you can be as poor or rich as you want and still use your damn brain and discern when a company is trying to milk you.
Seems prices just increased in the Australian market. I paid about $1700AUD for a 4080 near launch, closest brand model equivalent in a 4080super from the same seller is $2000AUD now.
I was in the process of building my new rig, first return to desktop PC gaming in more than 10 years, and GPU wise I was sat on the fence with the Super series due, I was inching towards the ASRock Taichi 7900XTX due to cost, but at release date I had a discount voucher for Currys (UK) and I managed to get the Gigabyte Aorus 4080 Super Master for the same price (would have been £100 more without the discount), to be able to get both DLSS and FSR, long with increased RT performance and additional features, then pulling the trigger on the 4080 super was a no-brainer for me at an equivalent price point.
It all comes down to your display, and what kind of performance you need. I bought an LG C2(I think 2) 4K OLED 120hz w/ g-sync. Resident Evil 2 remake for example, easily surpasses 10GB of memory prior to using the highest texture setting.... and for me this is what made me pull the trigger on a reference 4080 super.... and sold the 3080 reference to a friend for $350. I'm happy with the result. MUCH, much quieter with the larger heatsink, plenty of memory for framebuffer to reduce / eliminate stuttering as much as possible, and significant increase in performance. When I had the opportunity to get a reference 4080S new.... grabbed it, and am glad. If I was still using a different display I might have been less inclined, but need to comfortably be able to play 4K games at high textures if I have this display. Otherwise why have it
The 4090 always outperformed the 7900XTX...... Except when it doesn't. I've seen numerous benchmarks showing the 7900XTX shitting all over the 4090. I think COD is one such title. Makes me feel bad that I spent so much on a 4090 when a card costing 2/3rds as much shits on it every now and again. The 4080 never beats the 4090.
This has become the absolute high end sweet spot overall - I would choose it over a 7900 due to DLSS3 and FG any day. Not to mention G-Sync works so much better with Nvidia's front end implementation vs Freesync. So I am glad I waited to build my desktop as this is the card I will get, mated with the 14700KS. Just choosing a cooler and motherboard which has been a daunting decision. So many options. Edit, just to put it in perspective, my up coming rig has a 1500VA UPS and an 1000 watt Gold PSU, with 14700K and 4080s when I find one in Australia, the GPU is what I am waiting for now.. But I am a 1440P gamer on a 1440P OLED Adaptive Sync display. I'd have to get a better UPS and spend a thousand bucks more to get a 4090 not to mention the extra power draw, so my comment is mostly aimed for 1440P ultra gaming for now and the foreseeable future. For 4K , even with DLSS, the 4090 is a much better bet, but I will reevaluate all this in a couple years.
The 4080 was a huge jump in price from the 3080 which was a huge jump from the 2080 which was already a MASSIVE jump from the 1080. This is quite literally the worst value card to ever exist
was was the ram count per card?? looking at what we are looking at i think we are north of requiring 64-128 on the gpus you might cpu use with more l2 anf l3 cache onboard though I suspect you are resolution hanging on things because there ram at 16, 20 or 24 GB. you might be able to some flaws with speeding up the ram though the bottleneck is still the quantity of ram
The best 40 series card out of the bunch should not be performing 50% more powerful. I never knew the 4090 had that much more power. That is a monumental jump in performance. So, basically what you're saying is if I bought a 4060, then buy a 4090, it's like upgrading from a Honda Civic to a Ferrari? Holy crap! The 4090 should only be like $200 more at the max, compared to their other cards. I don't understand Nvidia's pricing structure. I'll wait for their 50 series cards. I'm doing fine playing games using a 3070 on my LG C1 OLED with it's maximum refresh rate of 120hz. I am playing Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth on Ultra Performance Mode and it's running at 120fps, and it still looks absolutely gorgeous. It's enough for me. I don't need 8K or 300fps right now. There are very few games that run at those resolutions and speeds that justify an upgrade. Until my LG TV dies, I'm ok with 120hz.
The EU MSRP of 1000€ is nowhere to be found. I see cards for 1150€ +. The same as the old 4080 was being sold in Germany before they were discontinued. They removed the old stock where cores were 100% functional and resold them for the same money?
wake me up when prices really drop and they releasae something truly new, and not the same performance for the same price. prices are faaaar too high across all GPU's these days. pure black looks like pure cheap plastic lol
I wonder, if the 4080S was clocked at 1.8ghz, how much faster it would be over my 3080Ti, which has the same amount of cuda cores. I wonder how much of the extra speed is in sheer clock speed.
I still struggle with the term "price cut". It has been 14 months since November 2022 when the original 4080 was released. Shouldn't GPUs decrease in price over time? You might argue that Nvidia don't generally slash prices but how else could they relaunch the 4080 that wasn't a hot seller? They knew it'd rot on the shelves if they relaunched effectively the same card for the same $1200.
Hey. I bought a 4080 and am happy with it. Really it’s an investment and I think the I am getting the value I desire from it. I get there’s economics at play but for real hardware that exists and that I was able to get I am happy it with ❤
4080 super will at least last 2-3 years. The 4070 super will be a nightmare in 3 years trying to find the settings to get 60fps with ray tracing. $600 for 12gh of vram
It definitely is still a steep price. It should perform more like what would be a 4080 Ti if it existed, and cost no more than $900 at that performance level (inflation/cost adjusted from the 3080's $700 MSRP.)
Anyone complaining about the price of the 4080(super) I GET YA, I'm also not about to blow $1000+ on a GPU (which is fine because between the 6700XT all the way through the 4070ti super, we have some GREAT 1440p-4k GPUs at GREAT prices right now) but with that being said, How much VRAM did the 3080 have? How much does it cost to use the same VRAM, but tuned to a higher speed? How big is the cooler on the 3080 in comparison to a 4080? How much lower of a quality was the silicon used in the 3080 as opposed to the 4080? Speaking of silicon, how much is the going price for higher quality silicon than in the days of the prior 80 series cards? On top of all of that (and more that I can't think of ATM) we have inflation. Do I think $1000 is too much? Yes, but I'm also not an expert on GPUs and while I believe the price increase is justified to a degree, I don't know how much of a degree, but I DO know that somewhat of a price increase is justified for sure. The products cost more to manufacture than they used to. That being said, I wasn't actively paying attention to the MSRP of graphics cards during the pandemic, as I've always been a used hardware kind of guy. I just got a 3080 for $300 because it has a custom AIO cooling solution and nobody else wanted it. I jumped on that to replace an alienware RX 6800XT I had that started to die (which was my fault for buying an alienware version of that card that is basically a glorified reference card with the same exact PCB and probably an inferior cooler on it to try and save a few bucks) It also seems like a major jump in performance, going from the 3080 to the 4080, but so was the 2080 to the 3080. I know that firsthand because I upgraded from a 2080 super (also with an AIO lol this one was the "EVGA 2080 super hybrid" and not a custom job like my 3080) to the 6800XT (which is pretty much the same as a 3080 in average frame rate) and then to the 3080 a few months later after the 6800xt started artifacting and overheating, and before that I had a 1080 (non ti) and the jump from the 1080 to the 2080 super was extremely lackluster, so lackluster in fact that I was wishing I had gone with a 1080ti instead of a 2080 super (same performance, but the 2080 super has less VRAM) and then I came into a 1440p display and that's what caused me to keep GPU hopping as the 8GB VRAM just wasn't enough, and I wanted something that was all around powerful, not just extra VRAM as I pretty much exclusively play AAA games, and I'm a sucker for higher frame rates than usual in those games. For example, I like to play RDR2 at 100+ FPS 1440p for no reason when 60 fps would absolutely suffice, and I use a controller so while nonsensical, I just like higher frame rates, but I'm not a snob (unless your someone who considers someone who will not play at frame rates below 45 a snob) and will absolutely play at 60 FPS, or even 45 FPS If I have to. Never 30 though, as I would rather just not play the game at that point.
Why doesn't anyone do Balanced Mode for upscaling? It is a happy medium between 720p, 810p, and 960p (when scaling to 1440p). It's always Quality or Performance Mode for every reviewer. In my personal experience, Balanced Mode is the sweet spot to hit 60 fps at 1440p or 4k if I can't hit 60 in Quality Mode. That and it looks surprisingly MUCH better than Performance Mode.
Can't wait for the 5090 to come out. That will be the card I rock for a few years. For my first rig I went for a 4080 because the 4090 was still not good enough for the price.
Since we are stuck with scalper prices in my country for the 4000 series I'd rather wait till after the price of 5000 have stability and order from the US.
The games aren't worth the upgrade now. In reality an 80-class card is a $500 card. No amount of DLSS or Frame Generation is worth more than $50 in addition to the actual hardware.
For me sitting in Europe (Germany), the price cut is (at least currently) barely visible. Cheapest 4080 starts at 1100€ while the cheapest 4080 Super starts at 1050€. Comparing all the available offers, price is roughly the same, so yeah, in this market, they basically rereleased the same GPU with the same price.
If you buy the 4080 Super for $999 now, you could have bought the 4080 at launch and been gaming for more than a year for those 200 additional dollars.
This is the second comment where I've seen you post the exact same thing 'if the 4090 didn't exist the 4080 would be great....' I hate to break it to you, the 4090 does exist. There's only one person coping around here, and it's the person trying to pretend like the most powerful GPU on the market doesn't exist 🤣
Really like those comparisons to PS5, showing exactly what one gets for paying more for hardware. Three times the performance is pretty good, although I would still like to see the 4080S at around 200 bucks less than it is.
Goes to show ps5 and series x came out way way too early. Barely any “next gen” games STILL. They could have just waited a few years and actually made them powerful and since games aren’t even really coming out yet anyways they definitely should have waited.
I still can't get over how huge these cards are. I exclusively use laptops and a previous laptop had a mobile GTX 1070 which is basically exactly as powerful as the desktop 1070 but that one is almost as big as the entire laptop 😂
I think the reason Nvidia has kept such a gap between the 4080's to 4090 is that they've envisioned scenarios where some people will actually buy two 40-series cards during this generation. They prey on FOMO and want to have the "unicorn card" that *feels* like a generational leap versus the rest of the 40-series lineup. Nvidia have gone out of their way to precisely engineer what's effectively a 4070ti 16gb and a 4080 Super that appears upgraded on paper.
Just look at the lengths Nvidia has gone to when providing as little as possible. The 4060 sits right between the 3060 and 3060ti and the 4060ti is between the 3060ti and 3070. We get some relief with the 4070 Super. However, the engineering of the 4070ti Super and 4080 Super is deliberate. Nvidia's strategy of making these Supers look better on paper than they really are is as transparent as it is insulting. I'm sure Nvidia knows that most people buying a 4080 Super are doing so grudgingly. There's no excitement to be had.
I hate Nvidia almost as much as companies like EA now.... Mainly because I feel they're my only real option for competent RT & DLSS, plus their cards tend to be prioritzed by devs. I'm sick of the price hikes each gen, and I'm becoming disillusioned in my preferred platform... PC.
the super basically costs the same as the 4080 here in europe, so it really doesnt matter here. kinda disapointed but ive waited long enough, now just gotta find it on stock somewhere. the good models are all instantly sold out, looks like scalpers idk, maybe im just slow
Appreciate the Cost per Frame addition to DF's analysis.
This is good, but without power usage numbers is not accurate. Keep in mind 4080 has 40 to 80 watts less than 7900XTX and over 150watt more efficient than 4090. So cost per frame figures will be actually in 4080 favour when electricity cost is added . Here in UK it matters a lot when el prices have risen drastically.
Really glad to see both DF and GN provide that kind of coverage, it's so much more useful than simply looking at framerate numbers and graphs and probably a more objective way of looking a gpu value
I wished it also included the 4070 Ti Super cost per frame. Anyone knows?
Wild that the 4090's performance gap is still so wide, especially since last gen the 3090 was only like 10-15% faster than 3080 at most. Simply built different
That 384bit bus and extra 6K cores just go so hard (especially at 4K), as well as probably the more unconstrained power. Damn glad I got mine instead of the 4080S.
I’m excited for the 5090 but I don’t think it’ll be quite as mammoth
Lol…yeah I bought a car instead
@@chrisvig123 LOL just live in a walkable city
@@romxxiinot in the US then :P
Not even a price cut if you look at market prices right now
Only the US market matters apparently😂
They're everywhere for $1000.
@@killerhurtalot Italy - Europe: 1200-1400 euro, what a shame, same card, same price as before, like wth?!
@@CrexTV European taxes 🫠
@@killerhurtalot 1110€ in France, which translate to exactly 1000 USD once you remove the 20% VAT there and apply exchange rates
It's more expensive than the 4080 ever was in Australia. It's so stupid.
In fact the 4080 is down $200 and the Super is up $100 over the old 4080 price.
The more you buy the more you save.
But can it play crisis. Only gamers get that joke.
Nvidia took a page out of the Apple playbook and it seems like it's working for them. The amount of people that seemingly went for the 4090 seemed proportionately higher than people that used to buy Titans or 90-series cards in the past.
God I wish this card was like, $700 instead of a grand.
@@704hunterWhats crisis ? Is that like some new spiritual successor to Crysis ?
@@704hunter my guy is stuck in 2007
@@704hunterdidn't realise 'gamers' can't spell the names of games.
I've been thrilled with my 4080 FE (non super) performance purchased last September. I obviously wanted the 4090 but the FE was always out of stock and the third party ones were $1900+ (vs $1600 for the FE). The performance at 32:9 has been amazing and way better than my expectations.
That's still $300 bucks over the 3080 launch price. And 3080s currently cost about $800 bucks at Newegg at the cheapest. So it's less a question of "is the price cut enough for gamers" but "is a $200-$300 price increase for the next generation worth it?"
Because i think the people who have the money to burn already bought 4090s, like myself.
The 4080 is in an entirety different class of performance thsn the 3080, blows it out of the water using less power draw. Plenty of people bought the 4080 before the Super refresh, not that much less than the 4090.
I bought a PS5 and still get to play great games. It's Loverly
@@RedPillAlwayswhy not both? Ps5 for the exclusives, 4090 for the multiplatform titles and glorious path tracing
@@Wobbothe3rd3080 was 63% more powerful than 2080 at the same MSRP, 4080 was 49% more powerful than 3080 at 1.7x the price. Seems like a gen-on-gen upgrade, not some entirely new class of card.
Also, there are about 24% more 4090s on Steam than 4080s as of December, which is remarkable considering the pricing.
@@HunterTracks Another way to look at it is that typically a next gen card card should perform as well as one tier slower than the previous gen. For ex. a 4070 should be as fast as a 3080. However, the 4080 is way more powerful than both the 3090 AND the 3090 ti and doing it much more efficiently. People who were fine paying $1000 for a 2080ti, 3080ti are having no issues paying the same for a 4080.
Just upgraded from a GTX 1080 to a 4080 Super. I feel like the 4080 will hit the sweet spot for my 1440p display.
What cpu?
Until the 5070 Super outperforms it for a couple hundred dollars cheaper.
The 4080 is fully capable of 4K not just 1440p
@@MA-rf6bu with upscalers, only the 4090 is capable of real 4k without upscalers.
@@Stardomplay Such is the nature of buying computer parts.
The "price cut" didn't happen in South Africa. 4080 Super are being sold by hardware shops at scalper prices of $1600😢
Seems downunder we have a different pricing scheme, the supers are priced HIGHER then the stock 4080. 200-500 dollars higher..
Have to wait a while. The RRPs are nonsense in Oz, but the retailers are sticking with them for a couple of weeks after launch. In the same way that the cheapest 4070s had already dropped to
yeah i bought a 4080 at launch for 1700 similar model in super is $2000. i bet the prices will drop when the 4080 models are sold out
@@blaketastic I missed that PNY 4080 going for $1499 from Umart. Be nice if there's more runouts like that.
19:13 Rich you misspoke the dlss mode I think or put the wrong one on screen I can't tell which. Love the content!
there's a new note in the video description clarifying what rich meant. the voice over is correct, not what's on the screen
The rest are just streets behind…
lol okay Pierce
Honestly I never realized what a beast the 7900 XTX is.
yea its a raster god but at 450watts vs 285watt of 4080
and you get that sweet 24gb on top
@@nicknickname353Huh? 7900 XTX TDP is 355 W, 4080 TDP is 320 W. Are you perhaps mixing it up with 6950 XT?
@@HunterTracksnot even the 6950XT is hitting 450Watts unless you’re OC trying to hit 2900 or something lol
@@nicknickname353at ray tracing is where it sucks
@@HunterTracksSome 7900 XTX cards can reach a power limit of 450 Watts. My brother has a MBA (Made By AMD) Refrence 7900 XTX, and with the new 24.1.1 Drivers, it has a power limit of +15% (Used to only be +10%). And with it, I have seen the Card reach right to the 400 Watt mark in some case, and mind you, the refrence card only has 2 of the 8 pin PCIE Power Connectors.
Super in name only. Nvidia basically admitting they effed up with pricing but hiding behind the name. Shameful
Yeah, it's "shameful" that Nvidia cut the price by $200 on one of their best selling cards 🙄. Pull your head out of your ass, nobody who has a 4080 is buying a 4080 Super, it's going to continue to sell well no matter how many people write whiny comments on social media
@@Wobbothe3rd Best selling card? Please. No one was buying it my dude. Same goes for the other cards that are being replaced by the so called "SUPER" version.
@@Wobbothe3rdThe 4080 literally sold the worst out of the entire 4000 series, what are you smoking?
Can't wait to look back on this video 2 or 3 generations later and see how far we have came from since then.
9900xtx for example is going to have around 46k cores compared to 12k on 7900xtx, so pretty much the 4090 will be like how we view a 980ti today in only 2 years
@@RonnieMcNutt666I doubt it, unless they really figure out chiplets for GPUs, otherwise the dies will be massive and expensive
its already been patented, it will use 600 watts but is still 3x per watt better than 7900xtx@@johnmoore1495
so 4000 core cpus at 0.2nm are pretty much expected to happen, and scaling of 25x gpu per watt as well, so 600 watts 500k core gpus is pretty much ensured@@johnmoore1495
@@RonnieMcNutt666 no man. we are approaching gpu development wall already, gpus are getting massive and power drawn getting more and more ridiculous with each new releases, we will still see improvements over the 4090 but not as big and fast compared to previous generations
Really appreciate these kinds of videos guys. It looks like I'll be waiting for a 50 series card for my next build
with ngreedia prob charching you 100% more for same pref tier, for only wanting their brand. Keep feeding the Jensen, if people like you continue to do that, i am sure one day no one outside of big buiesness can afford their cards.
@@AdaaDK relax my guy, op wants good performance for their money, why chastise them? the 50 series doesnt exist yet. theres plenty that you can find wrong with the current gen
Same. Waiting for RTX 5090 to replace my RTX 3090. I'm hoping they forgo the 12VHPWR crap, and actually improve on the efficiency.
5090 doesn't need to trounce the 4090. As long as 5090 is running about 20-30% faster than 4090 while using far less wattage would be very nice 👌
@@AdaaDK Bro, AMD GPUs are bunk at 4K. DLSS & RTX are untouchable. Nothing comes close. If you want budget, go AMD. If you want industry leading graphics, you go NVIDIA.
Do you remember the unlaunched 4080 12gb for 900?
Do you know how well a 4070ti performs relative to the previous flagship!?
@@Wobbothe3rd thats more a reflection of how poorly the 3090ti was priced. if you mean the 3080 then well, its not looking that great.
or you are joking....
When you show avatar, you say "dlss quality" and "fsr quality", but the graph are saying performance mode for both upscalers?
Probably a small editing mistake
The 7900XT is very underrated. I got mine for $750 and I think for the value and how close it gets to the 4080 at times makes it a very good card to look at
I agree, but strictly at its new current price of about £720/$750. At that price it's not all that much more than the 4070 Super, with more VRAM, much better raster performance and similar RT performance, provided you don't ask it to path trace Cyberpunk. At its original launch price it was a total joke, but now it's arguably the value king of this generation.
In Australia it doesn't seem like we've benefited from the price cut because the price is still around the same as og 4080 at sites like pc case gear. I'll stick to my 3080 until the 5000 series i think
do the US Market really got a "price cut"? because here Austria-Germany market, its the same price.... only the name is new lol
Us market don’t get quite as badly reamed as the rest of the world
Price is the same here in Australia 😂
Same here in Denmark- I think it’s all of Europe that gets screwed
We did yeah. My local Micro Center had a bunch of Asus TUF 4080 Supers for $999 and some more premium ones for $1100 although if you ask me no GPU feels as premium as the Asus TUF lol.
I'm seeing 4080 supers in a German online store (mindfactory) for 1109€-1228€ (depending on the version). $999 converted to € and with 19% VAT added, you get about 1100€, so the cheapest of the 4080 supers is pretty close to the US MSRP.
As a 1440p user with a 3080 I find these analysis videos fascinating; I won't be replacing my GPU any time soon, but they give me a good idea of which card I can think about getting once prices reduce.
The 3080 really was a brilliant buy when it came out. I have 2 friends that bought them at launch and haven't bothered looking at upgrades since beyond a passing glance.
@@Two49 I think it's still an excellent buy if you stick to 1440p. I still haven't encountered anything that I can't play at high settings and a minimum of 60 fps. Once I have to start lowering settings, it'll be time to pack it in.
@@squelching true, theres far worse value out there
I've a 3080/12900 and will be happy to wait to see 5060/70/80 and their cost.
I’m rocking the 7900XTX so I’m happy. Nvidia have totally messed this generation up.
Would love to see you guys do a comparison of the 40 series RTX cards in laptops vs the desktop counterparts. Thanks for the great content!
Who plays Control at 4K with high RT and 4x MSAA?
people who can play it at 4k💀💀
@@spicywater1494 I think he meant the msaa. It's demanding and pointless at that resolution.
Why wouldn't you if you have a 4K tv? Top tier 4K oled tvs can easily be found cheaper than those GPUs
@@goodjoejoe yep, that's what I meant
One of the joys of high-end graphics cards is that you can crank the settings without thinking, particularly in older games like Control.
Not for this one, sadly.
4090 is the first xx90 series card I ever bought, being a long time xx80 user. Just shows how poor value the original 4080 and this is.
The 4080 was a perfectly good value at OG MSRP, it's a GREAT value now. If the 4090 didn't exist the 4080 would still be objectively the fastest card available overall.
@@Wobbothe3rd lol did you even watch the video? Here 20:54. OG was worse per $ at launch.
when amd frame generation is in all games, then 7900xtx is the best choice.
As long as RT remains an optional toggle, AMD will always be better value for money. I switched from an RTX 3070 to a Radeon 7800 XT and am very happy with the huge boost to non-RT performance.
It'll take at least 1 more console generation before RT becomes an absolute requirement in AAA games, i.e. you absolutely cannot even launch the game without an RT capable card. By then both AMD and Nvidia should have cards that offer acceptable RT performance without costing $1k+...
AMD fluid motion fluidity toggle available for all games =/= actual game integrated frame generation. Fluid motion frames are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than game integrated frame generation, which is still overwhelmingly supported on Nvidia cards.
Thanks Nvidia for making my decision so easy - I'm going AMD. This is just a joke. Almost no performance uplift and the price cut is non existend, at least here in Germany. 4080 and 4080S costs pretty much the same, and no 50 bucks difference on a 1000€ product does not count.
I'll make it easy for Nvidia:
4080 super $799 (current $999)
4070 ti super $599 (current $799)
4070 super $499 (current $599)
4070 $429 (current $549)
4060 Ti 16 GB $349 (current $449)
4060 Ti $299 (current $399)
4060 $249 (current $299)
We know they won't price 4090 a penny under its current price, but I think without AI fucking up everything you'd hope for it to be under $1000.
AMD should be responding more actively but aren't budging on their prices. They announced a price drop that is "temporary" which we had already seen the cards hit in reality. Prices I think would make some sense:
7900 XT - $599
7900 xtx - $699
I was able to get a 7900xtx open box for 849 and I'm so glad I pulled the trigger on it. Was waiting on the 4080 super but it just didnt make sense to me.
Congrats you bought a glorified 3080 without AI acceleration you're so smart. If even half of these comments were real people the 7900XTX would rank near the bottom of the Steam Hardware Survey every month, lol
@Cresimirt performance is close. But raster the 7900xtx is definitely faster and also has more vram.
@@Wobbothe3rd no not really but thanks anyway
@@Wobbothe3rd Gee, you're clueless and passive agressive for some reason. The XTX can match and even outperform a 3080Ti in ray tracing and demolish it in rasterization. Its the second most powerful raster GPU behind the 4090.
@@chiefbigpoohThat's a pretty good price. I end up getting a Sapphire Nitro+ XTX for $900 open box 6 or so months ago. The guy above is also hilariously wrong. It can keep up and even be a bit ahead of my 3080Ti in raytracing and demolish it rasterizarion.
If you asked me to summarise that Video I wouldn't be able to as it just degenerates into a sea of almost identical names and numbers to me.
Just buy the best card you can afford seems like the best bet to me.
Still unbelievable people willingly pay 1k for a 80 series.
If they renamed it 90, renamed the 4070 as 80, and renamed the 4060 as 70, would you be happy then?
The numbers aren't meaningful.
Not unbelievable when you factor in performance. The 4080 is wayyyyy ahead of a 3090ti.
@@Wobbothe3rd The 3090ti card was one of the most insanely priced GPU's ever, not a good idea to take that as a reference point for pricing. But I'm sure Nvidia would like you to do that!
@@mechanicalmonk2020 I think that is exactly what they did this generation. The 4080 is nowhere near as good as the former x80 cards were compared to the very best. Same with the x70 and x60 cards especially, they just suck.
3080 was 30% faster than 2080 Ti ($1k+ gpu) while costing way less ($ 699)@@Wobbothe3rd4080 was 30% faster than 3080 Ti while costing the same lol.
Price went from absolutely atrocious, to terrible.
I can't believe how badly Nvidia fucked their legendary 80-series branding this generation, all to get people to buy a 4090 instead.
And then AMD launched 900 series products this gen and they only competed with Nvidia's 80 series products this time around. What an all-around mess.
Still, I say this as a happy 7900xtx owner - I'd pay the extra $50-$70 for a 4080 Super for the extra RT performance and DLSS, if I was in the market for a high-end GPU at the moment. AMD needs to knock the price of the XTX down to $850+$900 unless they want sales to flatline.
It’s not working…not many are buying the 4090 compared to previous years sales …it’s just not affordable
@@chrisvig123you have no idea what you're talking about, stop lying. The 4090 has already sold to almost 1 out of every 100 gamers, the 4080 almost as well as that. Overall 10% of all PC Gamers bought a rtx40 card, despite the massive overspending on the previous generation from the lockdowns. AMD is barely a factor at all this generation, the 7900XTX is the ONLY Radeon 7000 card that even shows up on the Steam Hardware Survey at all.
@@Wobbothe3rd "The 4080 sold just fine, stop complaining!!"
Why did Nvidia just give it a $200 price cut while no other Super card got anywhere near that? Got an actual explanation for that?
What's the normalised RTX 4060 price per frame? Curious to see how it stacks up against RTX 4070 Super.
I'm still waiting for an x80 GPU under 600$, an x70 under 400$, and an x60 under 300$ (and I'm being generous with those prices honestly)... I have not forgotten about the actual prices GPUs were before they quadrupled because of material shortages, scalpers, and crypto-miners.
You may as well quit PC gaming for good then--im serious. If you think Nvidia will ever drop prices to that level again, you are ignoring reality and living in fantasy. Nvidia has overcharged for these cards and everyone has bought them, the 4080 Super is sold out everywhere and the 4090 is so popular it's still selling for 2x it's price.
Face it, the reasonable prices you want are gone for good. Nvidia will not reduce inflated prices when people are still buying them like hot cakes. And since people will continue to buy them, the price will only keep increasing.
As such, if you truly refuse to pay anything more than old outdated pricing, you should just quit pc gaming and switch to consoles where your price range will stay much more sane and stable
@@KrazzeeKane Yeah I know, sadly haha. This comment was kinda sarcastic, I was just venting and trying to help (at my small scale) new people understand that these are not "normal prices" (other types of components have NOT increased their prices this much).
When it comes to buying new hardware, for now I'm personally still confortable with my pretty good GTX1080 & i7 7700k (although the lack of cores at the time made this era's CPUs age terribly), which can still run any game on high settings (at 1080p) at 40-80fps ; but I know that when the time comes to buy a new PC, I will just look for big discounts on specific pre-built setups and hope to get lucky. I'm just done taking the time to buy components at this kind of MSRP price.
It's depressing, isn't it? Seeing a $1000 graphics card sell out so quickly shows nobody is willing to speak with their wallet and @KrazzeeKane is right. Like it or not, this is the way it's going. I did seriously consider giving up PC gaming but will likely just hang on to my GTX 1080 for as long as possible and just have to pay a shi**y price for a shi**y card, in the near future.
If it wasn't for the heavy community backlash after DF's 4070Ti video, Digital Foundry would still be happy to shill Nvidia products. Remember, that was the video in which Rich said "it costs more, but it delivers more", the kind of psychopatic gaslighting that Jensen (Nvidia CEO) likes to say: "the more you buy, the more you save". So, yeah, at least this 4080 Super review has some connection with reality, but $1000 MSRP is still ridiculously overpriced. Even with inflation calculated in, this should have never been more than a $750 card (only $800 if it had more VRAM).
The pathtracing comparison really shows how far AMD is behind when it comes to proper RT/PT performance. Even if FSR3 was in the game, that implies it'd only hit about 50 fps, and it'd be way too sluggish because the normal FPS was below 30.
I hope AMD actually tries to compete when it comes to AI and RT soon, because so far it's been relatively disappointing. We desperately need that competition!
Intel has a good thing going with XeSS and Battlemage will hopefully be a game changer.
A RTX 4080 at launch should have been $800 and now SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, a RTX 4080 Super should be $800. Cost per frame is very subjective and really shouldn't be the only metric people use. Performance, features and time past should be considered when buying instead of a cost per frame metric.
Why are people complaining about the 4080 pricing when it outperformed a 3090ti and that shit cost like $2000 at launch and is still around $1200 now.
Nice review, finally great value, thanks!
If it was $800 it would be super.
Instead of leaving twenty comments on this video go make more money
I left 2 comments. You should go back to school & learn to count.
Now that's 3. Use your fingers if it helps...
@@GarrettTobyC13lmao, this kind of comment is stupid beyond belief, I could buy 10 4090 right now if I wanted, know why I don't even buy one and stay on my old gpu ? Because the current prices for anything above the 4070S are hyper inflated, and they know it, otherwise that "price cut" from 1.2k to 1k would have never happened, anything above the 4070 super is not worth their asking price for gaming, simple as that, you can be as poor or rich as you want and still use your damn brain and discern when a company is trying to milk you.
@@Taldirok or 1000 bucks really isn't much. Definitely not enough to whine about. Written on my 1600 phone I upgrade every year.
Seems prices just increased in the Australian market. I paid about $1700AUD for a 4080 near launch, closest brand model equivalent in a 4080super from the same seller is $2000AUD now.
Galax 4080 non Super was $1550 AUD. PNY 4080 was $1500 AUD
Great to see some data science at the end there Rich really insightful and definitely the correct way to approach the results
3:54 Eh? The Shroud is plastic? I’ve got the Asus TUF 7900XTX and mines metal top and bottom!
what is the diffrence with thermals founders vs asus tuf?
I was in the process of building my new rig, first return to desktop PC gaming in more than 10 years, and GPU wise I was sat on the fence with the Super series due, I was inching towards the ASRock Taichi 7900XTX due to cost, but at release date I had a discount voucher for Currys (UK) and I managed to get the Gigabyte Aorus 4080 Super Master for the same price (would have been £100 more without the discount), to be able to get both DLSS and FSR, long with increased RT performance and additional features, then pulling the trigger on the 4080 super was a no-brainer for me at an equivalent price point.
It all comes down to your display, and what kind of performance you need. I bought an LG C2(I think 2) 4K OLED 120hz w/ g-sync. Resident Evil 2 remake for example, easily surpasses 10GB of memory prior to using the highest texture setting.... and for me this is what made me pull the trigger on a reference 4080 super.... and sold the 3080 reference to a friend for $350. I'm happy with the result. MUCH, much quieter with the larger heatsink, plenty of memory for framebuffer to reduce / eliminate stuttering as much as possible, and significant increase in performance. When I had the opportunity to get a reference 4080S new.... grabbed it, and am glad. If I was still using a different display I might have been less inclined, but need to comfortably be able to play 4K games at high textures if I have this display. Otherwise why have it
Managed to grab a 4080 Super FE on launch day, hopefully a sizeable upgrade from my 3070 esp since I play at 1440p UW
The 4090 always outperformed the 7900XTX......
Except when it doesn't.
I've seen numerous benchmarks showing the 7900XTX shitting all over the 4090. I think COD is one such title.
Makes me feel bad that I spent so much on a 4090 when a card costing 2/3rds as much shits on it every now and again.
The 4080 never beats the 4090.
Da igual si hay algo de mejora del rendimiento, el precio acá en Ecuador sigue demasiado caro 1750 dólares la RTX 3080 S...
This has become the absolute high end sweet spot overall - I would choose it over a 7900 due to DLSS3 and FG any day.
Not to mention G-Sync works so much better with Nvidia's front end implementation vs Freesync.
So I am glad I waited to build my desktop as this is the card I will get, mated with the 14700KS.
Just choosing a cooler and motherboard which has been a daunting decision. So many options.
Edit, just to put it in perspective, my up coming rig has a 1500VA UPS and an 1000 watt Gold PSU, with 14700K and 4080s when I find one in Australia, the GPU is what I am waiting for now.. But I am a 1440P gamer on a 1440P OLED Adaptive Sync display. I'd have to get a better UPS and spend a thousand bucks more to get a 4090 not to mention the extra power draw, so my comment is mostly aimed for 1440P ultra gaming for now and the foreseeable future.
For 4K , even with DLSS, the 4090 is a much better bet, but I will reevaluate all this in a couple years.
The 4080 was a huge jump in price from the 3080 which was a huge jump from the 2080 which was already a MASSIVE jump from the 1080.
This is quite literally the worst value card to ever exist
was was the ram count per card??
looking at what we are looking at i think we are north of requiring 64-128 on the gpus
you might cpu use with more l2 anf l3 cache onboard though I suspect you are resolution hanging on things because there ram at 16, 20 or 24 GB. you might be able to some flaws with speeding up the ram though the bottleneck is still the quantity of ram
3:52 - the shroud is metal, otherwise the name of the card would be rather ironic
I ordered one last night. Shower me in your hatred.
Thats a weird way to spell jealousy
What is "streets ahead"? Is that like, "miles ahead"?...
The best 40 series card out of the bunch should not be performing 50% more powerful. I never knew the 4090 had that much more power. That is a monumental jump in performance. So, basically what you're saying is if I bought a 4060, then buy a 4090, it's like upgrading from a Honda Civic to a Ferrari? Holy crap! The 4090 should only be like $200 more at the max, compared to their other cards. I don't understand Nvidia's pricing structure. I'll wait for their 50 series cards. I'm doing fine playing games using a 3070 on my LG C1 OLED with it's maximum refresh rate of 120hz. I am playing Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth on Ultra Performance Mode and it's running at 120fps, and it still looks absolutely gorgeous. It's enough for me. I don't need 8K or 300fps right now. There are very few games that run at those resolutions and speeds that justify an upgrade. Until my LG TV dies, I'm ok with 120hz.
Glad I bought my 4080 weeks ago for $950
Last week for $930 for me
Is the price finally right? No.
пока нет никакого снижения цены, в европе от 1200+ евро, в россии от 140к рублей, возможно цена в 999$ есть где то в америке, но не у нас.
Nice!! More GPU breakdown! This is what brings us here!
thx for the review Rich!
Over here the cheapest 4080 super is €1120 vs €930 for the 7900 xtx. Seems really bad value for money
I don't trust DF reviews for graphics cards. This is a guy that thought the 4070 Ti was good value for money and deservedly got torn apart for it. 🤣
The EU MSRP of 1000€ is nowhere to be found. I see cards for 1150€ +. The same as the old 4080 was being sold in Germany before they were discontinued.
They removed the old stock where cores were 100% functional and resold them for the same money?
wake me up when prices really drop and they releasae something truly new, and not the same performance for the same price. prices are faaaar too high across all GPU's these days.
pure black looks like pure cheap plastic lol
Still bought one. My current pc is running a 5700xt. Needed a new build and a cheaper 4080 sounds good to me.
I wonder, if the 4080S was clocked at 1.8ghz, how much faster it would be over my 3080Ti, which has the same amount of cuda cores. I wonder how much of the extra speed is in sheer clock speed.
5:03 love the community reference
Would a 4080 super work in my older 2018 650 watt psu build? I got 9700k , 2080, and 32gb ddr4 ram.
The recommended PSU is 750 watt
I’m having a really hard time deciding between upgrading my PC over getting the Vision Pro 😅
I guess I'll be gaming on my 2080ti another year and completely skipping this generation.
'member when performance/price used to get cheaper with time?
It does. Just at a slower rate
I still struggle with the term "price cut". It has been 14 months since November 2022 when the original 4080 was released. Shouldn't GPUs decrease in price over time? You might argue that Nvidia don't generally slash prices but how else could they relaunch the 4080 that wasn't a hot seller? They knew it'd rot on the shelves if they relaunched effectively the same card for the same $1200.
Well, we were even more enraged by the planned RTX 4080 "12GB" 😂😂😂
Hey. I bought a 4080 and am happy with it. Really it’s an investment and I think the I am getting the value I desire from it. I get there’s economics at play but for real hardware that exists and that I was able to get I am happy it with ❤
4080 super will at least last 2-3 years. The 4070 super will be a nightmare in 3 years trying to find the settings to get 60fps with ray tracing. $600 for 12gh of vram
It definitely is still a steep price. It should perform more like what would be a 4080 Ti if it existed, and cost no more than $900 at that performance level (inflation/cost adjusted from the 3080's $700 MSRP.)
Anyone complaining about the price of the 4080(super) I GET YA, I'm also not about to blow $1000+ on a GPU (which is fine because between the 6700XT all the way through the 4070ti super, we have some GREAT 1440p-4k GPUs at GREAT prices right now) but with that being said, How much VRAM did the 3080 have? How much does it cost to use the same VRAM, but tuned to a higher speed? How big is the cooler on the 3080 in comparison to a 4080? How much lower of a quality was the silicon used in the 3080 as opposed to the 4080? Speaking of silicon, how much is the going price for higher quality silicon than in the days of the prior 80 series cards? On top of all of that (and more that I can't think of ATM) we have inflation.
Do I think $1000 is too much? Yes, but I'm also not an expert on GPUs and while I believe the price increase is justified to a degree, I don't know how much of a degree, but I DO know that somewhat of a price increase is justified for sure. The products cost more to manufacture than they used to.
That being said, I wasn't actively paying attention to the MSRP of graphics cards during the pandemic, as I've always been a used hardware kind of guy. I just got a 3080 for $300 because it has a custom AIO cooling solution and nobody else wanted it. I jumped on that to replace an alienware RX 6800XT I had that started to die (which was my fault for buying an alienware version of that card that is basically a glorified reference card with the same exact PCB and probably an inferior cooler on it to try and save a few bucks)
It also seems like a major jump in performance, going from the 3080 to the 4080, but so was the 2080 to the 3080. I know that firsthand because I upgraded from a 2080 super (also with an AIO lol this one was the "EVGA 2080 super hybrid" and not a custom job like my 3080) to the 6800XT (which is pretty much the same as a 3080 in average frame rate) and then to the 3080 a few months later after the 6800xt started artifacting and overheating, and before that I had a 1080 (non ti) and the jump from the 1080 to the 2080 super was extremely lackluster, so lackluster in fact that I was wishing I had gone with a 1080ti instead of a 2080 super (same performance, but the 2080 super has less VRAM) and then I came into a 1440p display and that's what caused me to keep GPU hopping as the 8GB VRAM just wasn't enough, and I wanted something that was all around powerful, not just extra VRAM as I pretty much exclusively play AAA games, and I'm a sucker for higher frame rates than usual in those games. For example, I like to play RDR2 at 100+ FPS 1440p for no reason when 60 fps would absolutely suffice, and I use a controller so while nonsensical, I just like higher frame rates, but I'm not a snob (unless your someone who considers someone who will not play at frame rates below 45 a snob) and will absolutely play at 60 FPS, or even 45 FPS If I have to. Never 30 though, as I would rather just not play the game at that point.
Why doesn't anyone do Balanced Mode for upscaling? It is a happy medium between 720p, 810p, and 960p (when scaling to 1440p). It's always Quality or Performance Mode for every reviewer.
In my personal experience, Balanced Mode is the sweet spot to hit 60 fps at 1440p or 4k if I can't hit 60 in Quality Mode. That and it looks surprisingly MUCH better than Performance Mode.
I personally wouldn't use anything other than quality dlss
Can't wait for the 5090 to come out. That will be the card I rock for a few years. For my first rig I went for a 4080 because the 4090 was still not good enough for the price.
Bruh 5090 gonna be atleast 2,000 and atleast 2,300 for ASUS version watch
No, 4080 sucked for the price
@@kiisseli1337 for you perhaps, definitely not for me.
In my country 4080 super cost 400 usd more than regular one 😂
But can it run Superman 64?
Crysis
it not run well bcouse n64 emulator not good that game. these cards cant even open conker bad fur day. not a joke.
So it’s a new paint job
its like og xbox one . pure black big fan. and plays control hitman f1 like og xbone.
Value? With any of these cards its non-existent since they're all over priced by 20%. Also, whos paying $1000 for a 2 year old graphics card?
Since we are stuck with scalper prices in my country for the 4000 series I'd rather wait till after the price of 5000 have stability and order from the US.
I was able to buy a 4080 last week for $800. Definitely worth the $800. Not worth anymore than that (in my opinion).
The games aren't worth the upgrade now. In reality an 80-class card is a $500 card. No amount of DLSS or Frame Generation is worth more than $50 in addition to the actual hardware.
For me sitting in Europe (Germany), the price cut is (at least currently) barely visible. Cheapest 4080 starts at 1100€ while the cheapest 4080 Super starts at 1050€. Comparing all the available offers, price is roughly the same, so yeah, in this market, they basically rereleased the same GPU with the same price.
In Australia it's a bit better. I bought a 4080 for $1550 AUD
If you buy the 4080 Super for $999 now, you could have bought the 4080 at launch and been gaming for more than a year for those 200 additional dollars.
Yes..12mths of appalling, stuttereing, botched PC games.
So worth $1200.
@@Dr.D00pCOPE. The 4080 performs extremely well. If the 4090 didn't exist it would be objectively the king.
This is the second comment where I've seen you post the exact same thing 'if the 4090 didn't exist the 4080 would be great....' I hate to break it to you, the 4090 does exist. There's only one person coping around here, and it's the person trying to pretend like the most powerful GPU on the market doesn't exist 🤣
Really like those comparisons to PS5, showing exactly what one gets for paying more for hardware. Three times the performance is pretty good, although I would still like to see the 4080S at around 200 bucks less than it is.
Goes to show ps5 and series x came out way way too early. Barely any “next gen” games STILL. They could have just waited a few years and actually made them powerful and since games aren’t even really coming out yet anyways they definitely should have waited.
I still can't get over how huge these cards are. I exclusively use laptops and a previous laptop had a mobile GTX 1070 which is basically exactly as powerful as the desktop 1070 but that one is almost as big as the entire laptop 😂
I think the reason Nvidia has kept such a gap between the 4080's to 4090 is that they've envisioned scenarios where some people will actually buy two 40-series cards during this generation.
They prey on FOMO and want to have the "unicorn card" that *feels* like a generational leap versus the rest of the 40-series lineup. Nvidia have gone out of their way to precisely engineer
what's effectively a 4070ti 16gb and a 4080 Super that appears upgraded on paper.
Just look at the lengths Nvidia has gone to when providing as little as possible. The 4060 sits right between the 3060 and 3060ti and the 4060ti is between the 3060ti and 3070.
We get some relief with the 4070 Super. However, the engineering of the 4070ti Super and 4080 Super is deliberate. Nvidia's strategy of making these Supers look better on paper
than they really are is as transparent as it is insulting. I'm sure Nvidia knows that most people buying a 4080 Super are doing so grudgingly. There's no excitement to be had.
I hate Nvidia almost as much as companies like EA now....
Mainly because I feel they're my only real option for competent RT & DLSS, plus their cards tend to be prioritzed by devs.
I'm sick of the price hikes each gen, and I'm becoming disillusioned in my preferred platform... PC.
the super basically costs the same as the 4080 here in europe, so it really doesnt matter here. kinda disapointed but ive waited long enough, now just gotta find it on stock somewhere. the good models are all instantly sold out, looks like scalpers idk, maybe im just slow
Wait, when did Tuf shroud become plastic? It’s always been metal
Apparently the next nvidia driver will bring a massive performance boost to cyberpunk path tracing.
In next gen we will have RTX 5050 Ti Super Master 8GB VR Edition. VR stands for "very restricted"
And the best part? It's only $599