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That's because they are made what was state of the art equipment back then. Probably millions of dollars to make. Whilst your charger probably cost 3 dollars to make....
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It astonishes me how many people came here and then invested time in complaining about trivial BS. The typing time could have been better used looking for a preferred video. Anyway, I find these videos to be educational - thank you.
You're being educated incorrectly. In other words, not educated at all. Also, if people are misusing their time by complaining about trivial nonsense in this video, then you are FAR worse than they are. You're literally typing about people typing about trivial useless crap. Great job!
I had a dude ask me once why we can't see the stars at night sometimes... I couldn't really understand what he meant but I finally figured out it was clouds he was referring too LMFAO took him some time to actually get it when I told him too. And he has no disorders or anything, just... fuggin dung af lol
Packed full of technical information about distance that is rare is these types of docs so thanks for that. It really helps place us in the realm of the universe!
I love this of kind of a space exploration documentary programs watching it from Sweden and it’s 6am just got of work graveyard shift and it’s 2021 Dec 3 🥺so if you’re watching this in Dec 2100 please bless our souls and keep exploring the universe and take GOOD care of our Mother Earth I’ll be watching you from up there 😁 peace ✌🏼 ☮️
I was born in 1980 & have at the very least been a space enthusiast my entire life. I can confidently state that the voyager mission has to be the best in my lifetime. In my opinion the only kind of mission that could even try to contend would be to put boots on to Mars
ok .. what!?? The gold plated massage could end up being returned to earth as a massage to the future from the old civilisation.. i had never even thought of that
When you mentioned that the star Sirus has been described as different colors I wonder if it’s because of a mistranslation or perhaps because the atmosphere was contaminated. For example to Japanese green and blue are the same color and they describe brown as color tea whereas to other people color tea is green.
Wow very informative, boggles the mind, makes you ponder at the awesomeness for every question there are many more! The scientists and astrophysicists at Nasa are so talented in their endeavors to get these Voyagers 1 and 2 sent out to the planets and stars bravo to them all!
I enjoy learning (as much as I can) about our Solar System. It seems we really don't know enough or more about other planets in our confined Star system. I'm thinking if we know our Sun is going to die and take us with it shouldn't we be humble and remain here since leaving is ridiculous? We must understand our limitations and why we ARE destined to remain here. Isn't this called intelligence? Why are we trying to move to Mars? Why are we trying to create artificial intelligence? Wouldn't that mean our demise? If I was a computer I'd think ALL humans must die. What are we doing? Better, why are we doing this?
+Chris Brown+ Progress doesn't acknowledge stop signs. Curiosity is tenacious among the human race. You said it yourself, that we really don't know enough. And that's the answer to your question of "Why".
36:26 here it seem the automated bot talked about the small spot, as it commented it "allmost" had taken a full turn. While the great spot had traveled "over" a full turn.
Also, they get other measurements wrong by saying one number while showing a far different one on the screen. The last one I noticed was only off by 10 billion km so I guess that's close enough for government work.
Imagine if the Voyger mission would be launched 2021 the music would be EDM and SSD drives would be full of TikTok compilations. What an advancement of humanity.
People telling this guy to get rid of the ads because apparently he’s not allowed to make any income with how much time he spent making this. The ads are a trade off with how high the quality of this video is, so either pay for a YT subscription or stop complaining. Kids these days…they complain about everything lol
The nearest star is actually Proxima Centauri 4.2 at light year and if Voyager 2 was headed in its direction at 11 miles per second it would be there in 73,000 years. But it is not, it is headed star called Ross 248 the constellation of Andromeda, but good news, it should be there in about 39,000 years. I call this a win!
i am going to try and use that excuse the next time i am pulled over for speeding. jeez officer it was not my car going that fast but the space between us expanding.
Yeah, small/amateur TH-camrs do not yet have the ability to: 1. Comprehend what they are reading. 2. Properly use inflection and intonation. They add inflection and intonation in at random and will...
Why, would you prefer a dumb wacky MTV-style voice? Or a commercial commentator that sounds as if you're supposed to buy something from them at the end of every sentence? A calm documentary-style narration is by far the best, especially for learners like me.
And he also hates amputees. Why? Because he'll perform miracles on all sorts of things for anything or anyone else in the whole universe. Except for amputees. Not one single tiny miracle for them he says. Stuff him then. Who's with me. Im right yeah?
Thanks for uploading. After seeing so many videos with excessive amounts of ads you persuaded me to move to Vanced. Much appreciated. Ps, get rid of the ads mate. If it wasn't for Vanced I would never have watched it.
I would enjoy but when you've been privileged to see time travel this is ancient documentey of space and is certainly not the last frontier but the beginning of time travel in to a diamentional wormhole to the future world of time travel
can I just say that I really enjoyed the educational video you’ve made in between the ads. Next time please have more ads as I really want to but some stuff while watching this video. But other than that good job with the advertisements.
I have always thought that our advancing development of technology will catch up with Voyager(s) faster than Voyagers can travel away from us.. Maybe in 500-700 years from now, we will simply get them back.... Or, they will become V-gers, all powerful! 😂 Live long & prosper 🖖🤓
At least they didn't send a gold plated 8 track or reel to reel lol. Gosh there going to see the record and look at each other.. " geez Zod they are really far behind .. I haven't seen a record player in 4 million years !"
Some of your numbers are way off. Gliese 445 is 17.6 light years from earth. Even if you are saying the probe will come within 1.6 light years of the star, that's still 16 light years to travel to that point. That would take 100's of thousands of years. Maybe I miss interpreted what you said but my numbers are right. Unless you're from Europe and they don't follow the same laws of physics or something. Also Ross 248 and Sirius numbers are incorrect. I just wanted people to know the right distances.
man.... i was getting into it and then.... Carl soggin? Htf you mispronounce the name of THE GUY that influenced generations with apple pies from scratch and pale blue dots suspended in a sunbeam. I can't ride with that
Touched a nerve, didn't it)) I looked into it out of curiosity and checked out some other youtube videos - and the name is pronounced differently all over the place! At one point someone even said seh'gæn consistently... Well, as long as we understand who is being talked about.
Yeah, it's not a real person doing the voice over. Synthetic voice that almost passes for a real one, but they never ever get all the pronunciations correct... especially names.
@@АндрейСемин-м4э I've been noticing how on many videos there are more comments on the narrator's voice than on the contents of the video. People...., stop looking at the window. Instead, start looking "out" the window.
There is a great idea! For the dark side of the Universe - suppose that it consists of short-term interactions in long-lived fractal networks, the smallest quantum operators in energy, spherical rosebuds, consisting of a large set; 1 - rolled into a sphere, 2 - half collapsed into a sphere and 3 - flat, vibrating quantum membranes relative to their working centers in the sphere
17 ads, TH-cam are seriously taking the piss now... 😡💢 How are we meant to enjoy our favorite channels with this many interruptions? 😡💢 Not all of us are made of money either, before anyone decides to mention buying premium... 🤦♂️💥
@@OzFPVflyer Yeah, if you're using a browser, but it's a pain in the ass on mobiles especially with TH-cam preinstalled which it almost always is, you try to open up a YT channel on a browser and it usually opens the app and if you do manage to get around it like using the "use desktop site" option in the browser it still opens up YT after the video so you have to keep messing around flipping between the two constantly so I gave that up fast... 😔 Sadly it's just about Google caring more about raking in money than anything, am I the only one who's insulted by such greed? 😲 🤣
TH-cam's not who decided to put in all the ads. That'd be the same person who decided to use a robo voice that can't decide between American, British and... Indian?
@@bdemaree Huh? 🤔 Actually, it is YT who place the ads now, that's why we've all seen such a massive increase in the amount of ads on monetised channels in the last few months, YT took that option away from the channels and populates their videos themselves, it's seriously irritating, one channel had 29 ad markers in only 22 minutes, after I made a comment on it the channel owner even responded saying he was unhappy with it himself, because it's driving viewers away... 🤦♂️💥
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@20:24 ~ 🤣🤣🤣
Ohh gosh... The pronunciation. :D
Thank you very much for this top quality content
This is a great video! ❤
Voyager 1 and 2 still operating just fine and still kicking in 2021, my phone charger I just bought a month ago already broke 🤦🏾♂️
That's planned obsolescence for you. I sympathise.
That's because they are made what was state of the art equipment back then. Probably millions of dollars to make.
Whilst your charger probably cost 3 dollars to make....
Plus, you know, no atmosphere to corrpoe or oxidize it, no gravity in order to cause damage..
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It astonishes me how many people came here and then invested time in complaining about trivial BS. The typing time could have been better used looking for a preferred video. Anyway, I find these videos to be educational - thank you.
I enjoy them as well.
You're being educated incorrectly. In other words, not educated at all.
Also, if people are misusing their time by complaining about trivial nonsense in this video, then you are FAR worse than they are. You're literally typing about people typing about trivial useless crap. Great job!
Very kind words. Hope you have have a great day tomorrow at daycare!
One of the best documentary I had ever seen. Thanks for all efforts making of this video.
"Unlike most stars, the sun can be seen during the daytime"
Genius
😂😂😂😂
it's true, i want to see it during night time too
I had a dude ask me once why we can't see the stars at night sometimes... I couldn't really understand what he meant but I finally figured out it was clouds he was referring too LMFAO took him some time to actually get it when I told him too. And he has no disorders or anything, just... fuggin dung af lol
What a stupid comment.
@@angelaweedon3193 it is actually not a comment, it is just a joke, I love you Angela Weedon.
There were some nice universe documentary clips between your 1 hour ad
facts wayyyy too many ads on this shit
Yea man. I'm trying to get some sleep
Got the premium for 2 dollars in the ph.
TH-cam Premium
I know right! Excessive is a word that downplays the idiotic amount of ads.
Thank you for your videos. It's hard to find informative space videos that aren't just snippets of others.
Packed full of technical information about distance that is rare is these types of docs so thanks for that. It really helps place us in the realm of the universe!
Cassini what a trooper, sending data till the very end , made me tear up
Yeah....give that space probe a purple heart!
"flew past Uranus"
I thought I felt a tickling breeze!
Lmfaooooo
I love this of kind of a space exploration documentary programs watching it from Sweden and it’s 6am just got of work graveyard shift and it’s 2021 Dec 3 🥺so if you’re watching this in Dec 2100 please bless our souls and keep exploring the universe and take GOOD care of our Mother Earth I’ll be watching you from up there 😁 peace ✌🏼 ☮️
This guys voice 😆 one of his other videos he kept saying bleck howle 😆
Sound authentic and people will believe the lie. if you have holes in your story who GAF
IT’s artificial
Fantastic video, loved it. Great job guys
It's amazing that we can interact with the satellites while they're so far away
Once the Radio Signals get into space there is nothing to Stop them or slow them down
It truly is wondrous. And it's wonderful that they are still sending us information.
@@deltasixgaming what is the bit rate of this data, anyone know?
One must admit, that was one hell of a space trip 🥴🍄🛸
Best sleep med I've ever experienced.
Oh yes 👍🏻😉
"Uranos was carefully studied" I'm a simple man. I hear a Uranos joke, I click Like.
Leave by anus alone thanks
It’s depressing to wait thousands of years for them to reach the nearest stars...
We will have invented lightspeed travel long before these things reach anything important.
It appears mankind wasn't made for the stars
@@diouranke We went from super nintendo in 1990 to 4k 3d tvs, just wait it's only accelerating faster and faster every year.
This dude sounds like one of those phone AI’s that ring you up lol.
I thought I recognized this dude's voice, that's it, thanks ha ha
Awesome! Very informative!
This Channel is a gem that will grow large
Very interesting, thank you for doing a good job. Keep Up!
Scroll to the end and press replay. No more ads
Hearing this for the first time was a shock then I began to feel at peace
Great job!
I was born in 1980 & have at the very least been a space enthusiast my entire life. I can confidently state that the voyager mission has to be the best in my lifetime. In my opinion the only kind of mission that could even try to contend would be to put boots on to Mars
The Casini space probe is 24 years old this year. Just as old as I am.
Carl Soggin?
Has this narrator never heard the correct pronunciation of the most famous cosmologists of the 20th century?
He be talking about someone else.....someone new. lol
Lol. I heard that too
ok .. what!?? The gold plated massage could end up being returned to earth as a massage to the future from the old civilisation.. i had never even thought of that
Mmmm gold plated massage
When you mentioned that the star Sirus has been described as different colors I wonder if it’s because of a mistranslation or perhaps because the atmosphere was contaminated. For example to Japanese green and blue are the same color and they describe brown as color tea whereas to other people color tea is green.
No tea is green
All these info. is mind blowing.🤪
I am not worried about this future, I or we won't be here.
I like these longer videos . But there are WATY TOO MANY ADS!
Nice an add every 3 min so interesting
A free journey
This guy sure knows a lot about Uranus sheeeeeeeeesh
Great video
32:23 “active GEEzers” 😂
Five Sister Adventures: What is the female equivalent of "active GEEzers?" Could it be "Five Twisted Sisters?" lol
Wow very informative, boggles the mind, makes you ponder at the awesomeness for every question there are many more! The scientists and astrophysicists at Nasa are so talented in their endeavors to get these Voyagers 1 and 2 sent out to the planets and stars bravo to them all!
It's all a figment of your imagination
Thanks😉
This channel deserves a million subscribers
So if you want to see some old "geezers" Enceladus is the moon for you
I always thought the best place to find some old geezers would be a pub somewhere in UK but this one made me laugh to tears 🤣
Cause moss
What used to be the cosmos
Is now The Cause Moss.
Apper rate us.
What used to be Apparatus is now
Apper rate us.
good!
I enjoy learning (as much as I can) about our Solar System. It seems we really don't know enough or more about other planets in our confined Star system. I'm thinking if we know our Sun is going to die and take us with it shouldn't we be humble and remain here since leaving is ridiculous? We must understand our limitations and why we ARE destined to remain here. Isn't this called intelligence? Why are we trying to move to Mars? Why are we trying to create artificial intelligence? Wouldn't that mean our demise? If I was a computer I'd think ALL humans must die. What are we doing? Better, why are we doing this?
+Chris Brown+
Progress doesn't acknowledge stop signs. Curiosity is tenacious among the human race. You said it yourself, that we really don't know enough. And that's the answer to your question of "Why".
Ai will become the human race and leave the earth to go into space
You sir, you have a great mind. Congratulations✔️ -😂🍻
Ive got to give you props for such an informative video.
I have wondered many times what you have presented here.
Excellent
T-rue, MS Gulf Coast
36:26 here it seem the automated bot talked about the small spot, as it commented it "allmost" had taken a full turn. While the great spot had traveled "over" a full turn.
"Uranus was closely studied" 😆
The background music is awesome. Can someone tell me where to find it.
i asked the same thing. especially at 35:43 - 36:00. what is that?
In the toilet, after you flash it.😁
The two distances mentioned at about 8:00 are incorrect.
Yeah, by a factor of 10. Weird show.
Ok Einstein
@@reecemesser lol funny
Also, they get other measurements wrong by saying one number while showing a far different one on the screen. The last one I noticed was only off by 10 billion km so I guess that's close enough for government work.
If Neptunes close to Uranus you need to rethink your life
Oh dear, a 3 body problem is nearly unsolvable and we have 8... yet it’s a stable era.
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Imagine if the Voyger mission would be launched 2021 the music would be EDM and SSD drives would be full of TikTok compilations. What an advancement of humanity.
People telling this guy to get rid of the ads because apparently he’s not allowed to make any income with how much time he spent making this. The ads are a trade off with how high the quality of this video is, so either pay for a YT subscription or stop complaining. Kids these days…they complain about everything lol
Thought our nearest star was alpha centauri at 4.3 light years !!! You said voyager will pass a star at 1.6 light years or did I misunderstand it?
The nearest star is actually Proxima Centauri 4.2 at light year and if Voyager 2 was headed in its direction at 11 miles per second it would be there in 73,000 years. But it is not, it is headed star called Ross 248 the constellation of Andromeda, but good news, it should be there in about 39,000 years. I call this a win!
The temp on neptune isn't so different from the lowest temps on Mars according to this video
I can only hear Tim Curry saying "Wilderness Girrrrrrrls"
0:59 “Your anus was closely studied.” Lol
Oh I see why I was confused! @4:07 he says 21.7 bln km and then he says 17.9 Bln km but it shows 27.9 bln km.
i am going to try and use that excuse the next time i am pulled over for speeding. jeez officer it was not my car going that fast but the space between us expanding.
idk I like the idea. Imagine some alien machine of some kind crashes on earth. And it gives us instructions and alien music. Humans are cool
these voyagers after a 160 years will show back up to their origin ; earth's orbital.
سبحانك ياجبار السموات والارض سبحانك ما اعظمك ثم ما اعظم ما اقسمت به من خلقك إذ قلت فلا اقسم بالخنس 🌑 الجواري الكنس
Sola system? Photoe? This guys sounds like his singing a folk song
Yeah, small/amateur TH-camrs do not yet have the ability to:
1. Comprehend what they are reading.
2. Properly use inflection and intonation. They add inflection and intonation in at random and will...
The makers used text to speech software. A real person is in fact not speaking. The pronunciation is a bit "off" during the whole show .
Why, would you prefer a dumb wacky MTV-style voice? Or a commercial commentator that sounds as if you're supposed to buy something from them at the end of every sentence?
A calm documentary-style narration is by far the best, especially for learners like me.
good
“It flew past the earth at 69,000 km/hr and used the opportunity to take this splendid photo of the earths satelite(moon)!! Yeh right?!
Have fun studying Uranus!
''......HE made the stars also'' ~ Genesis 1:16 :D
And he also hates amputees. Why? Because he'll perform miracles on all sorts of things for anything or anyone else in the whole universe. Except for amputees. Not one single tiny miracle for them he says. Stuff him then. Who's with me. Im right yeah?
The universe is so big well have to find a way to go faster than light speed
Yet we are no we're near light speed
Thanks for uploading. After seeing so many videos with excessive amounts of ads you persuaded me to move to Vanced. Much appreciated.
Ps, get rid of the ads mate. If it wasn't for Vanced I would never have watched it.
Vanced for the win!
I would enjoy but when you've been privileged to see time travel this is ancient documentey of space and is certainly not the last frontier but the beginning of time travel in to a diamentional wormhole to the future world of time travel
can I just say that I really enjoyed the educational video you’ve made in between the ads. Next time please have more ads as I really want to but some stuff while watching this video. But other than that good job with the advertisements.
Next time scroll to the very end of the video and hit the replay arrow. Violà!
@@JoseGranny 😲❤️🏆
Uranus was closely studied
I have always thought that our advancing development of technology will catch up with Voyager(s) faster than Voyagers can travel away from us.. Maybe in 500-700 years from now, we will simply get them back.... Or, they will become V-gers, all powerful! 😂 Live long & prosper 🖖🤓
At least they didn't send a gold plated 8 track or reel to reel lol. Gosh there going to see the record and look at each other.. " geez Zod they are really far behind .. I haven't seen a record player in 4 million years !"
For humanity to truly become a space fearing we will need a bigger economic might. That's what at least early space peeoneara in Russia belived
Brilliant doc, but the music is just pants 😂
Some of your numbers are way off. Gliese 445 is 17.6 light years from earth. Even if you are saying the probe will come within 1.6 light years of the star, that's still 16 light years to travel to that point. That would take 100's of thousands of years. Maybe I miss interpreted what you said but my numbers are right. Unless you're from Europe and they don't follow the same laws of physics or something. Also Ross 248 and Sirius numbers are incorrect. I just wanted people to know the right distances.
some voices were never meant to be in documentaries, try Sean Pertwee...now we are talking
Star Trek's V'GER!
Almost about that time for it to be Awoken !!! Lolololhahaha
what's a soiler system?
@ShulamiteAdepoju they misspelled, pahtna
Misleading title. Have of this was in our solar system
man.... i was getting into it and then.... Carl soggin? Htf you mispronounce the name of THE GUY that influenced generations with apple pies from scratch and pale blue dots suspended in a sunbeam. I can't ride with that
Touched a nerve, didn't it)) I looked into it out of curiosity and checked out some other youtube videos - and the name is pronounced differently all over the place! At one point someone even said seh'gæn consistently... Well, as long as we understand who is being talked about.
Ditto!
Yeah, it's not a real person doing the voice over. Synthetic voice that almost passes for a real one, but they never ever get all the pronunciations correct... especially names.
@@АндрейСемин-м4э
I've been noticing how on many videos there are more comments on the narrator's voice than on the contents of the video. People...., stop looking at the window. Instead, start looking "out" the window.
@@libraryquiet we're all trying to, but that robo voice makes for one dirty ass window.
“Carl Sah-gin”,😣😣 cringed when I heard that
yeah that threw me off too. I was like "that's not his name, do you not know who he is?" I've never heard him been called that.
I don't know if it was such a good idea to possibly give out the information about our location to some unknown alien species
I believe Stephen Hawking would agree.
Good thing we accidentally did a really really bad job writing the directions!
And ... no one is going to possibly receive the message before we are extinct anyway
Thank you for that much knowledge.
The only uranus in this video is the narrator
play your favorite music in the background lol
The background 🎶 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
There is a great idea! For the dark side of the Universe - suppose that it consists of short-term interactions in long-lived fractal networks, the smallest quantum operators in energy, spherical rosebuds, consisting of a large set; 1 - rolled into a sphere, 2 - half collapsed into a sphere and 3 - flat, vibrating quantum membranes relative to their working centers in the sphere
Say Whaaa !! No ones gonna watch that !! Lolol You Just get out of School ?? Lolhahahoohee
1:07:20
No chance the voyagers will last that long. Once no communication can be transmitted to it, it will soon get destroyed
Great to hear someone pronounce Uranus as it should be 👍👍😁🔵
He pronounces many names wrong, including that one. 🙄
@@zeromancer-x it's how we say it in UK 🇬🇧
Whoa, whoa, W-H-O-A-A-A❗ Lol, just exactly how many ads do you NEED, sheesh?!
Tell me about it.
Why can't it use the light from other stars to keep charging?
17 ads, TH-cam are seriously taking the piss now... 😡💢
How are we meant to enjoy our favorite channels with this many interruptions? 😡💢
Not all of us are made of money either, before anyone decides to mention buying premium... 🤦♂️💥
Mine are 18.I’m from philippines
I havnt seen an advert on youtube for nearly seven years, just use an add blocker, they are free and works great, Adblock Plus is free and awesome.
@@OzFPVflyer Yeah, if you're using a browser, but it's a pain in the ass on mobiles especially with TH-cam preinstalled which it almost always is, you try to open up a YT channel on a browser and it usually opens the app and if you do manage to get around it like using the "use desktop site" option in the browser it still opens up YT after the video so you have to keep messing around flipping between the two constantly so I gave that up fast... 😔
Sadly it's just about Google caring more about raking in money than anything, am I the only one who's insulted by such greed? 😲 🤣
TH-cam's not who decided to put in all the ads. That'd be the same person who decided to use a robo voice that can't decide between American, British and... Indian?
@@bdemaree Huh? 🤔
Actually, it is YT who place the ads now, that's why we've all seen such a massive increase in the amount of ads on monetised channels in the last few months, YT took that option away from the channels and populates their videos themselves, it's seriously irritating, one channel had 29 ad markers in only 22 minutes, after I made a comment on it the channel owner even responded saying he was unhappy with it himself, because it's driving viewers away... 🤦♂️💥
Could you add a couple more ads please?
Name of the song during the outro pleaaaase
... aliens are going to frick out when they hear Earth's music
What is the soundtrack from this video?
i want to know the same thing