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Batman Beyond "Earth-12" is NOT the DC Animated Universe! | Will It Canon?

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  • @dcauwatchtower
    @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

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    • @Beisenterg
      @Beisenterg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *THiS vIdeo iS tAkInG fOr EvEr!!!!!!!!!!!*

    • @topsdaily_productions
      @topsdaily_productions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When will DCAMU Timeline part 2 come out because remember at the end of part one the producer guy said none of the dates where accurate!

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      TopsDaily Productions We won’t be doing another timeline of those movies until more than 1 of them have come out since the last video ;)
      But also, those plot points will be followed up on in future installments of our in-WDb storyline! Those are all premiere videos.

    • @captainrgd1565
      @captainrgd1565 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about DCeased?

    • @insanemakaioshin
      @insanemakaioshin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      that weird music in the background has me thinking, someone is screaming from the otherside of the house! Please never use it again!

  • @MoreLikeMagicMan
    @MoreLikeMagicMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +340

    I swear to god if young James and old James meet, and you don't recreate the Batman meeting Batman scene, I will be tremendously upset.

    • @PhantomObserver
      @PhantomObserver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      You might want to be careful about the Blinovitch Limitation Effect, though.

    • @dusanstojsin4938
      @dusanstojsin4938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "James this is James, or have you met?"
      "Not now!"
      "What did they used to call it, stereo?"

    • @kurthurt5068
      @kurthurt5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As will i.

    • @gavinboyer4634
      @gavinboyer4634 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "Surprised to see me?"
      "More surprised I've lived this long."

  • @tessewact
    @tessewact 4 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    I can't believe that James never gets a lab coat in 40 years.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      From now, whenever now is

    • @corneliusbinklefredickbear9936
      @corneliusbinklefredickbear9936 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ItsButterBean1020 know?

    • @JayTVIndia
      @JayTVIndia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He was only reserved for Earth whatever......,

    • @joeker5208
      @joeker5208 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can’t believe it took him 50 years from now….whenever now is (even though this video was published in 2019), for James to cover this comic

  • @GarrettTheViking
    @GarrettTheViking 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    My theory is that Earth 12 is the earth of the alternate timeline created by Chronos in the JLU episode "The Once and Future Thing." The changes made to the past and future by Chronos could've had butterfly effects that slightly altered things, making this universe very similar to the original DCAU timeline. That's gonna be my headcanon from now on.

    • @billymccrary2246
      @billymccrary2246 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's seem like an interesting theory.

    • @Browser-go4eb
      @Browser-go4eb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      WOW. NICE THEORY. ITS MY HEADCANON NOW.

  • @PosthumanHeresy
    @PosthumanHeresy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Ty Templeton: Oh, you wanna ignore my Red Hood? Now he's canon!

  • @iiirdvii840
    @iiirdvii840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Earth 12 isnt even cannon with Earth 12... bruh.

  • @batman369able
    @batman369able ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The concept of Tim as Batman Beyond was actually also hinted at the very end Tim Drake's Red Robin comic series

  • @Emohawk707
    @Emohawk707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Saying that Adventures in the DCU IS Earth 12 made my head explode, solved all of my issues with it and is now my head canon

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    Earth 12 sounds like a complete and utter mess

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It is.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@jturner2577 indeed and i am a huge fan of batman beyond

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      But we love it

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ItsButterBean1020 i can agree with that

    • @mikeoxhuge423
      @mikeoxhuge423 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But they do have some great stories

  • @CapLives
    @CapLives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I'd say it's DCAU adjacent

    • @marioss2167
      @marioss2167 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What does that mean?

    • @thedemon0843
      @thedemon0843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@marioss2167 it means the writers wanted a good story rather than perfectly aligned continuity

    • @VunderGuy
      @VunderGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thedemon0843
      No, what it means is that they were lazy. As a writer myself, I can confirm. And people wonder why Avatar: The Last Airbender is considered much better than the DCAU. The writers there never looked at continuity in that show, the biggest possible strength you could have if done well, as a burden, but something that is the biggest possible strength you could have if done well. It just requires excellence and most writers are ashamed to admit they're not as good as they want others to believe.

    • @matheus5230
      @matheus5230 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VunderGuy I love both the DCAU and Avatar The Last Airbender

  • @readyplayer3318
    @readyplayer3318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    Remember when Jason Todd didn't exist in the DCAU. Truly the dark ages.

    • @MrMegaman0607
      @MrMegaman0607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      *golden

    • @idkmantbhlol-fp8vq
      @idkmantbhlol-fp8vq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wiat he exists?

    • @JCOdrjones
      @JCOdrjones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@idkmantbhlol-fp8vq he does now in Batman The Adventure Continues comics

  • @Comic3247
    @Comic3247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Justice league beyond is such an underrated team

    • @bashengatheblackmanta7003
      @bashengatheblackmanta7003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I wish bruce timm would come up with a justice league beyond animated movie with the focus put on terry,micrpn,kai ro,aquagirl and warhawk

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I’d love a whole show for them

    • @justchilling704
      @justchilling704 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MOHAMMED WALI Where’s Wonder Woman as well?

    • @kurthurt5068
      @kurthurt5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@justchilling704 Maybe she went back to themyscria?

    • @ProjektTaku
      @ProjektTaku ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bashengatheblackmanta7003 I would personally just like a full on, massive scale reunion of the JL/JLU cast movie, put then all on some random island against a super strong big bad that requires the entire og 7 to beat them with cameos of heroes and villains also from the dcau, similar to JLU's big action scenes except on a much larger scale with it hopefully being theatrical (similar to phantasm).

  • @jacobwilliams1223
    @jacobwilliams1223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think the main issue and source of confusion is DC REALLY wants Terry to be tied to the main DCU universe in some capacity due to his popularity but it conflicts with the DCAU timeline for it to ever not confuse people.

  • @joeeljalapeno1816
    @joeeljalapeno1816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Really can’t wait to the next DC event that would contradict everything AGAIN

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Get ready since it’s coming

    • @joeeljalapeno1816
      @joeeljalapeno1816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Burgess right the year of the villan, I forgot , I want to forget , dam

    • @rcbmmines4579
      @rcbmmines4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Joe el Jalapeño YOTV is just the beginning. The next Crisis is coming.

    • @GokaiDoctor
      @GokaiDoctor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joeeljalapeno1816 Apparently next year will see the beginning of a new reset/reboot

    • @popburnsy3207
      @popburnsy3207 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ItsButterBean1020 it's not coming, it's been in progress since before Rebirth

  • @kingjiggle4th789
    @kingjiggle4th789 4 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    this episode is going to be so schway
    edit: it was schway

    • @Lone_Cyberman_Productions
      @Lone_Cyberman_Productions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So shway

    • @dyland9745
      @dyland9745 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't wanna be that guy...
      But it's spelled "schway"

    • @kingjiggle4th789
      @kingjiggle4th789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dyland9745 thanks it's now fixed

    • @MataNui.
      @MataNui. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that word was always one of the dumbest things in that show.

    • @dyland9745
      @dyland9745 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MataNui. I like it. I actually use it in day to day life. I think it sounds cool.

  • @geoffreyrichards6079
    @geoffreyrichards6079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    It's possible that only a select amount of the DCAU is canon to Earth-12, with only certain episodes occurring as they were originally depicted, while other aspects differ.
    Of course, it's also possible (though possibly controversial) that the DCAU is a somewhat misconstrued account of Earth-12's history - sorta like how "Star Trek: The Animated Series" is regarded by particular Trekkies as an exaggerated depiction of the official canon rather than a straight-up portrayal.

  • @silvercomet6782
    @silvercomet6782 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I really like the idea that earth(-)12 is the adventures in the dcau earth, I'm gonna consider that canon

    • @cunnyman
      @cunnyman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It's similar but not the same. I hate the parts like WW went to marry Justice Lords' Batman.

    • @joeker5208
      @joeker5208 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ll just throw BTAC in that same timeline if you don’t mind

  • @kevind.mendez7215
    @kevind.mendez7215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    good to know james ages as gracefully as bruce wayne does.

  • @Tanglw
    @Tanglw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ok, no TV series I'm currently watching comes even CLOSE to getting me as hooked as this new Watchtower Database event! I can't wait to see how this will unfold!

  • @KendrickHarrisKenfinity
    @KendrickHarrisKenfinity 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    It's great to find out how the earth 12 beyond becomes more inspectable to find out what lines up, with our animated world! Keep it up!

  • @AC-gb7do
    @AC-gb7do 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Ok, I’m gonna say it. Watchtower needs to be officially recognized by DC, they are that good!

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Can we read it?

    • @rcbmmines4579
      @rcbmmines4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mattiesavannahpahl9934 OOH awesome! I wish you guys good luck with that!
      Really you're work and obsession with continuity is almost unparalleled. You guys deserve some recognition and a bigger audience.

  • @batmanfan6207
    @batmanfan6207 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    So was that James's dad?
    And yeah I always figured earth 12 wasn't the dcau but a slightly altered version of it because hey, there is an infinite number of earths in the multiverse and why can't 2 earths be extremely similar but also quite the same :-)

  • @EmmanuelMarin07
    @EmmanuelMarin07 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    LEX.~ 🎶
    FLIPPIN'.~ 🎶
    LU.~ 🎶
    THOR.~ 🎶

    • @KairuHakubi
      @KairuHakubi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      boy I was really enjoying the video up to that point.

  • @BATTY3459
    @BATTY3459 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think the long and short of it was multiple writers for the comics, each having different ideas on how their stories fit into the DCAU, but it would appear they didn’t consult each other or in some cases do their research into the shows properly.

    • @isetmfriendsofire
      @isetmfriendsofire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BATTY3459 And now this comment is relevant again, seemingly, with The Adventures Continue.

  • @Velocity_AU
    @Velocity_AU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I want a timeline on the Watchtower Database cause this is gonna cause some alternate timelines

  • @turtleguy16
    @turtleguy16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    7:24 Marvel: We banished Nick Fury Sr. To the moon! DC: It’s free real estate.

  • @zediahcdemos9220
    @zediahcdemos9220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The title alone is breaking my heart

  • @andrescansecoorozco2788
    @andrescansecoorozco2788 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    According to DC Entertainment Essential Novels and Chronology 2015 confirms that the tittle Batman Beyond Universe takes place on Earth 12; as it was published after the events of Flashpoint; meanwhile its prequel Batman Beyond Unlimited can also be deemed canonical. But it is unclear how previous stories such as Hush Beyond and the larger DCAU fit in Earth 12.

  • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
    @diegodankquixote-wry3242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Finally! Now this is _going_ to be *epik.*

  • @isetmfriendsofire
    @isetmfriendsofire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    My ambiguity: Exists
    This video: I'm about to end this man's whole career.

  • @johnnydc7478
    @johnnydc7478 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    the inferior five are OP how dare you !

  • @ForeverGotShorter
    @ForeverGotShorter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Not sure if someone's brought it up in the comments already, but there's another major divergence between DCAU canon and Earth-12 canon. In an episode of Batman Beyond, Barbara mentions that Dick moved to Blüdhaven after he found out about Barbara and Bruce's relationship (ugh), and in ROTJ, she states that he was already living in Blüdhaven when Tim was kidnapped by the Joker. However, the Batman Beyond 2.0 book has Dick finding out about Bruce and Babs' relationship (once again, ugh) AFTER the events of the ROTJ flashbacks.
    I tend to think of Earth-12 as the "All-Star Superman" type version of the DCAU, it's got the same kind of "fuck it, let's use this universe as the base for it but throw stuff in from other versions of the these characters" approach to it, much like how All-Star Superman was mostly based on Silver Age Superman comics with some elements from different versions of Superman thrown in.

  • @rcbmmines4579
    @rcbmmines4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video guys! Damn I kind of knew about the low and mid tier stuff and IMO we can always ignore the Jason stuff (since it was only in a dream and he was never mentioned anywhere else) and even the Warhawk flashback (could be just Warhawk...having a dream?) but that Hawkman, Rann-Thanagar war and Joker part, plus the sheer amount of mid-tier stuff, convinced me. Good news I guess is that DCAU Bruce didn't impregnate Barbara and maybe we can have a proper Batman Beyond continuation in the DCAU loosely inspired by Earth 12.

  • @Garrettsamuel98
    @Garrettsamuel98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't take continuity errors that serious either :) BUT I love watching you break them all down & go into all the details! Whst about Green Lantern "First Flight" & Green Lantern "Emerald Knights"? I wonder if theres some fun continuity errors to break down with everything those add.

  • @rcbmmines4579
    @rcbmmines4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Finally! I’ve been waiting a long time for this.

  • @andrewhubbard1728
    @andrewhubbard1728 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I am looking forward to this and surely it will be stupendous.

  • @erronblack3935
    @erronblack3935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If Earth-12 and DCAU are different Earths but has some similarities this proves the saying of the opening of Injustice "I can say without a doubt that there are infinite number of universes. Some are just like our own...but for one or two significant,events exactly the same - Lex Luthor

  • @Gr4veM1nd
    @Gr4veM1nd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I actually like Earth 12. While the continuity snarls with the DCAU can be infuriating, something about it just seems... I dunno, fuller than the DCAU itself in places. Like I can buy Jason Todd being in this universe better than how it was handled during BtAC. It establishes more elements to Terry that we sadly never got to see in the DCAU. I mean, in Earth 12, Terry gets his own Robin! And he gets his own Bat Signal! That's awesome! Not to mention he died and came back! That's practically a rite of passage in superhero comics!

  • @dtfilmmaker
    @dtfilmmaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video! The Lex flippin Luthor remix is dope and I can't wait to see what's next.

  • @JamesLawner
    @JamesLawner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These timelines are so confusing! But could explain some of the inconsistencies as "the universe was rebooted and now it's different".

  • @ShinySephiroth1
    @ShinySephiroth1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah, in my toy collection I have three Batmen Beyond on display together: one for Earth 12 Terry, one for Earth 12 Tim (Future's End), and one for the DCAU Terry. On that note, I hate they never followed up the tease for whatever happened to Earth 12 Tim. I was certain he'd show up in Jor-El/Mr. Oz's cell alongside the Rebirth and Titans Tomorrow Tims, but... nope. :(

  • @HunterX05
    @HunterX05 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The "Jason Todd is not DCAU canon" as an evidence point did not age well

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It’s also the shortest part of the video 🙏

  • @sebastienvondoom8615
    @sebastienvondoom8615 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    LEX FLIPPIN LUTHOR

  • @infinityalbi9840
    @infinityalbi9840 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well, My Adventures With Superman claims that the DCAU is Earth 508, so if we want to give it a number, there it is. Though it could've been Earth 92, as a reference to when BTAS first aired.

  • @joeker5208
    @joeker5208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t know what’s a better excuse, “Maybe Armory had a second kid with the same name” or “Sorry got to go I promised the guys at my dorm I’d clean out the fridge”.

  • @sadib100
    @sadib100 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I argued with someone online who kept stifling a conversation by constantly insisting that Earth-12 was actually called Earth 12 (with a space instead of hyphen) and that Earth-12 only refers to Pre-Flashpoint Earth-12. It was super pedantic and gatekeepy, not to mention completely wrong. People should have a holier-than-thou attitude about comics if they don't even read comics.

  • @MultiFirelover
    @MultiFirelover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Gotta love me some will it cannon

  • @diegonei
    @diegonei 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am so glad I subscribed to this channel a couple weeks ago.

  • @andrescansecoorozco2788
    @andrescansecoorozco2788 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The way to identify the DC Multiverse is the following way:
    - Original Multiverse: The original multiverse is infinity and Every Earth below 52 are spelled out such as Earth-One, Earth-Two, Earth-Three, meanwhile every Earth above 52 is numbered with a hyphen. Also an earth can be designated with a word or letter such as Earth-S, Earth-X, Earth-Prime, Earth-Quality, etc.
    The 52 Multiverse: unlike the previous multiverse, this multiverse consists only with 52 universes and the designations are numbered with a hyphen. Such as Earth-0, Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-3, etc.
    Multi-Multiverse: unlike the previous multiverse there are more of 52 universes, but outside of the local Multiverse. The designation is numbered but without the hyphen. Such Earth 0, Earth 1, Earth 2, Earth 3, etc. Also exists the monitor sphere, the god sphere, the speedforce wall, the bleed, the source wall, etc.
    The Dark Multiverse: unlike the previous multiverse, this multiverse is made of Dark Matter instead of positive Matter and is designated with negative numbers such as Earth -1, Earth -11, Earth -12, Earth -22, Earth -32, Earth -44 and Earth -52. Probably this Multiverse is infinity.
    This is according to convergence.

  • @Madlibbber
    @Madlibbber 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the first time I’ve ever seen Matty out of his room

  • @farrisward2211
    @farrisward2211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was hoping there would be more on the additional heroes introduced in all of the comics.
    Did your team see that the older Barry Allen introduced in his new year one story is active during the mainstream Beyond timeline?
    I love alternate futures and believe DC should be doing a lot more with the Beyond era. More legacy characters like Warhawk, maybe a new spin on the Question, Capt. Atom, Green Arrow, or Atom Smasher..?

  • @spiderslayer3640
    @spiderslayer3640 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And now, according to My Adventures With Superman, THEY are now Earth-12

  • @Juan_x_Pedro
    @Juan_x_Pedro 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is one of the best videos in channel. What an Amazing Job!!

  • @vincent_mrc44
    @vincent_mrc44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi! Your video was really great ! On the other hand i noticed you forgot a inconsistency. In justice League beyond 2.0 #10 when we see the zombie felix faust Superman talks about the annihilator while he is supposed to be destroyed in the jlu episode the balance.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, we noted that down but didn’t include it in the video. The Annihilator could have been rebuilt, or a number of other things off-screen in the 40-ish years’ time. There were TONS of other small things like this-it was more important to focus on the bigger arguments.

  • @RyanConIon
    @RyanConIon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have always wondered when they refer to Wonder Woman in future shock if it is a different Wonder Woman.

  • @conradlecroy5821
    @conradlecroy5821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:09 Don’t you dare bring up countdown
    4:55 and don’t even start with Futures End
    8:19 at this point, just stop bringing up bad comic events

  • @michaelnoga3737
    @michaelnoga3737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:19 at least Mattie is out of the basement....
    Huh, déjà vu...

  • @Vilivagod2
    @Vilivagod2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Top tier effects, great video

  • @thecreatornooj1328
    @thecreatornooj1328 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If Hypothetically the DCAU had an earth number in DC's 52 universes before the events of Flashpoint, the inconsistencies could be explained by that. Flashpoint resulted in timeline changes for all 52 universes, not just Earth Prime. We do later learn that these were caused by the arrival of Dr. Manhattan in the Divine Continuum, but either way Earth-12 could still canon from the angle that the DCAU timeline was altered.
    Which would mean that the DCAU as we know it would be a hypertime world, and the new history of these beyond comics is the new version. But believing this means that events like Death Metal had an impact on the DCAU as well, and according to that storyline, the DCAU we know would be back as a different numbered universe.
    That is, if I understand that event's consequences correctly

  • @CCaster2000
    @CCaster2000 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I always believed Earth-12 and the DCAU are just parallel universes.

  • @juanpere3209
    @juanpere3209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The likes are 1999 now like the year batman Beyond come out

  • @binsoku6
    @binsoku6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Greetings from 2021
    We no longer have the Multiverse, we have the Omniverse & Infinite Frontier.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m so thankful that Earth 12 universe is different from the BTAS-JLU-Beyond universe. This means Batman never got Barbara Gordon Pregnant behind Dick Grayson’s back in BTAS Canon thank god

    • @prometheusmodelow8322
      @prometheusmodelow8322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol true, and the recounting of how Barbara's relationships went out in the episode itself is highly contradicted by the comic anyways.

  • @slay3r2049
    @slay3r2049 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is an amazing Channel.

  • @OllieConnorsFilms
    @OllieConnorsFilms 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Schway! James aged gracefully.

  • @lordsteppergod7269
    @lordsteppergod7269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Earth-12 being Green Lantern(2011) movie universe

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      …?

    • @six5809
      @six5809 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dcauwatchtower That’s only the case in CW’s Multiverse, that’s what he meant

  • @coolguyhino92
    @coolguyhino92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And here I was thinking, "Wow. He REALLY does have a very similar cadance and timbre to James." Whelp. Got it backwards. James has a remarkably similar voice to his father.

  • @inesatt1313
    @inesatt1313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    James you seriously need a PHD for all the efforts you made😍😊🥰👍

  • @maxalain9948
    @maxalain9948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:35 DOESNT SEEM SO MUCH LIKE A CONTRADICTION NOW I SUPPOSE

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s also the shortest segment of the video ;)

  • @Dungeonstone
    @Dungeonstone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1. A ringless John is on Rann as an advisor due to his military experience as well as experience policing the galaxy. (Seriously, Rann's "greatest hero" is a normal earthman who got zapped there one day by accident. even a ringless John Stewart would be like "Adam Strange 2.0" to these people.
    2. At some point during the war, he and Hawkgirl hook up and Shiera gets pregnant.
    3. Warhawk knows about John meeting him because John told him and Warhawk is sloppy with the description of events.

  • @ecks2087
    @ecks2087 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This just speaks volumes of how comic have an amazing amount of PLOT holes and barely give a F to clean them up. Marvel does it too but DC does it more than anyone else

    • @dandywaysofliving
      @dandywaysofliving 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ayeee when u don't give a fuck.
      Why start now 🤣🤟😜

  • @supersaiyanjalil
    @supersaiyanjalil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Are the burton Batman films connected to Batman forever & robin?

    • @DigitalJediMaster
      @DigitalJediMaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That entire franchise was four films in the same continuity.

    • @unknownuser8967
      @unknownuser8967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lets pretend both doesnt exist to keep our sanity

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately
      I’m pretty sure Forever references the other two and the fifth film included Harley with hallucinations of Nicholson’s Joker

    • @DigitalJediMaster
      @DigitalJediMaster 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ItsButterBean1020 You mean the unfilmed fifth film, Batman Unchained? Harley was supposed to be Joker's daughter seeking revenge for his death.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep
      We’d get Bruce or someone hallucinating Nicholson and stuff

  • @MrPizzaslice
    @MrPizzaslice 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Earth 12 for all intents and purposes is clearly supposed to be the DCAU, the writer's just had trouble keeping track of continuity. I've watched every episode of every DCAU show and I can't remember every single detail of everything that happened, it's easy to forget.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And that's why you've got us! ;)

  • @theldrakis
    @theldrakis ปีที่แล้ว

    i seem to recall the first watch tower [in dcau] was destroyed. which means the 2nd one could have been a rebuild.
    as for the call i believe they said he would forget.

  • @nickh3205
    @nickh3205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    14:53 to help with Darkseid being alive thing(I know this is a few months after this video came out and that what I’m saying will probably be seen by someone and they’ll either say “That’s a comics thing that’s not applicable” or “sure”) it has been stated that that’s an avatar of the real darkseid(who is from a higher plane of existence) and that all Darkseids(animated and comics plus others versions) are just avatars and that the version from JLU is still in the Source Wall with Luther and a new version manifested many years later(also that lex Luther might be a backup clone that’s been programmed to be the “new” Lex[ Its not out of the question it’s DC after all but would be cool to see if it’s that])

  • @Kyomusha
    @Kyomusha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I honestly don't want it to be canon. The whole Bruce and Barbara thing really left a bad taste in my mouth :/

    • @Ahmed-DB
      @Ahmed-DB 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, that was established in BB already so

    • @Kyomusha
      @Kyomusha 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ahmed-DB Is that supposed to change my opinion?

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ahmed-DB True but it didn't go to deep into it.

    • @isabelr3467
      @isabelr3467 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah same. I'm also not a fan of Vixen being killed by Shadow Thief in the Earth 12 timeline. That just felt cheap to me.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean it is meant to

  • @isetmfriendsofire
    @isetmfriendsofire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always sorta saw the Higgins run (2.0) specifically as in-universe, but not the others. I suppose I can accept it as head-canon only now, though. I wasn't really aware that ALL this was Earth-12.
    I do find the Warhawk argument a little weak, though, because I see it ultimately don't put much stock into theories involving math about the years. But that's just a me-thing, and it's also a case-by-case basis. The other evidence is pretty compelling, though!

  • @sinnyboy9317
    @sinnyboy9317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    31 minutes left. Can't. Contain... EXCITEMENT!!!

  • @shelbybayer200
    @shelbybayer200 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would like to think that Earth-12
    Is a Fused Continuity universe
    It uses DCAU Story bites with it's own stuff
    Definitely not the DCAU itself

  • @JohnDoe-qy5eu
    @JohnDoe-qy5eu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I thought everyone already knew this

  • @dudedudeson2118
    @dudedudeson2118 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh such a simple time when Jason didn't exist in DCAU continuity

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I remember when that was the shortest segment of this video

  • @BovineDesigns
    @BovineDesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11:57 Nice motion follow 😃

  • @Saiyanking72
    @Saiyanking72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly my headcannon is that earth12 is just dcau reboot after barrys stupid run

  • @dontemorgan1517
    @dontemorgan1517 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *sigh in happiness* Thank you.

  • @aleximuslopez4028
    @aleximuslopez4028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really hope the dcau turns out to be 1 multiverse out of many because dc has its whole multi-multiverse thing going on.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well yeah
      The local multiverse has 52 Earths so the DCAU could be in another multiverse.

    • @rcbmmines4579
      @rcbmmines4579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly. They even did a video a while back theorising on the DCAU’s other universes from non-canon tie in books and stuff. Maybe some other animated shows could be in the same Multiverse too.

    • @aleximuslopez4028
      @aleximuslopez4028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rcbmmines4579 ikr. In the multiverse, they Included the justice lords universe in this multiverse, but failed to include universes like the ones from the superman animated series. So the dcau multiverse could include less canon options too.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      RCBM Mines potentially (Teen Titans VS Justice League when)

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aleximus Lopez well we know there’s a lot of mystery Earths
      One of them could be the DCAU

  • @zeldaprincessofheart1448
    @zeldaprincessofheart1448 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:29 Next Sunday A.D. (MST3K Reference)

  • @delycan4912
    @delycan4912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But if past you is in the future, there's no past you to become future you

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Last “Will It Canon?”, we learned the James that hosts that show is a computer program

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But if he’s a program how does the computer manage to load such amazing personality

  • @Bunbaroness
    @Bunbaroness 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice! This is the one I'd been waiting for.

  • @mattmanjgigs1229
    @mattmanjgigs1229 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you dorks forgot a very compelling detail damian is in the batman beyond comics during 2.0 but never mentioned in dcau continuity

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you may be thinking of the new Rebirth-era “Batman Beyond” comics. We never came across any hint of Damian Wayne in the Earth-12 stuff.

    • @mattmanjgigs1229
      @mattmanjgigs1229 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fair enough

  • @DarthAlphaTheGreat
    @DarthAlphaTheGreat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The 52 LOCAL Multiverse :P

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    13:54 Solid counter-point 🤔

  • @Juankprieto
    @Juankprieto 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video confused the heck out of me and I READ all those comics and events.

  • @moviehoarder8382
    @moviehoarder8382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Watchtower Database I've red Batman Beyond: Hush, Batman Beyond: Industrial Revelation, Batman Beyond 2.0 Volumes 1-3, Batman Beyond 10.000 Clowns and I really enjoyed them such amazing and fantastic Batman storylines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Huge fan of Batman Beyond and thanks to y'all's video I'm going to re-read these Batman Beyond graphic novels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for the amazing DCAU videos :)

  • @cray-seacoral
    @cray-seacoral 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm behind blaming Reverse Flash.

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey you got the same microwave as me!

  • @thewilhelmscream7912
    @thewilhelmscream7912 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great effort, more Beyond...more!!!!

  • @Emike-nc9ew
    @Emike-nc9ew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *BECUSE IS SUNDAY*

  • @jacktalkscomics19
    @jacktalkscomics19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please do will it canon for justice league doom

  • @Demonstryke13
    @Demonstryke13 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember hearing once that they named Batman Beyond Tim in that story by mistake, and that mistake carried over into the action figure of that story. I think they intended for it to be the one from the show, but of course I could be wrong and if I am it's no big deal!!!

  • @fowlface8424
    @fowlface8424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You said the Jason toy doesn’t count.