Vegeta getting clapped is how the writers deal with writer's block lol "Okay...so...we've built up both Goku and Vegeta in the narrative over the arc, but how can we get them both to fight the main villain and still have Goku win in the climax...." "cuck him."
“God forbid that Vegeta ever kills a main villain, the earth will split in half and the sky will explode ending all of mankind 😱” - Dragon Ball series writers
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He should have got the victory in resurrection F, but I understand the point that they were trying to learn. I really hope he gets to do it in the future because he deserves it more than anyone else in the series.
I totally second this. Vegeta needs a win of his own desperately. Enough with the sidelines. Also Gohan as well needs to take care of a godly right hand man as well with no backup like he did not with Max cell. I wonder if Broly will be the pen Ultimate hero with his 2 new alien friends or end up a villain at the death of em or some spite.
I feel it would be incredibly powerful for Vegeta’s development as a character to completely body Frieza in his Master Ultra Ego form and have Frieza begging for his life. Then right at the moment we feel Vegeta will kill Frieza he spares him as a flex to remind him that no matter how powerful Frieza may get a saiyan will forever keep him in check
Nah I actually prefer Vegeta killing Frieza after everything. If Vegeta did what you said this completely back tracks what he warned goku about in dbs Broly. He’ll come back again and continue to threaten everyone. It needs to end. There’s no need to make the same mistake as Goku
Prediction: Beast Gohan holds a mild but comfortable position of superiority over Black Frieza, who busts out the old 'This isn't even my final form' line. Frieza starts transforming as the battered and bruised Goku and Vegeta drag their asses off the ground and fuse just in time while Gohan helplessly tries to eliminate Frieza before that transflrmation can complete. Perfectly paced to present the new marketing toy magnet Ultra Gogeta
@@QaamansLand He'd be on the ground too. He's Goku and Vegeta's equal for now and will hopefully maintain that parity... But he's equally out of his league as they are individually against an adversary on that level.
I know there is a 0% chance of this happening but, the z-fighters could have the cell juniors train in the hyperbolic time chamber to help defeat black frieza, in the manga the cell juniors are shown to be still alive and even good. They also have the combined potential of frieza, king cold, and gohan. They could grow strong super fast.
@@QaamansLand they stopped once they saw the MIR logos, they thought goten and trunks were intruders. Edit: also 17 was the one who tamed them so they are on the side of good.
99% sure Gohan's not in the Cell Juniors. He was barely beyond a toddler during the Saiyan Saga and there were two far more mature and powerful Saiyans there to DNA sample.
Quick FYI: Vegeta doesn't automatically become king once his father dies, even if he is heir to the throne. The reason is because that's not how royalty works. There MUST be a coronation ceremony for him to dawn the title and crown. No coronation - no crown. Not that is really matters if he did become a king. A ruler of 8 people is more or less a band, and they wouldn't follow him anyway.
Here’s a cool follow up topic: At the end of the last chapter, after Whis picks up Goku and Vegeta, Goku ask Whis if Frieza was the ultimate warrior the oracle fish warned them about. Whis states that he wasn’t sure, and that it could be someone else. Considering that we now know Super Hero takes place after this arc, I’m wondering if Gohan Beast is the ultimate warrior the oracle fish suggested? Meaning the story might be headed to a Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza instead.
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@@QaamansLand Sure, I don’t mind. 1. The Future Of Dragon Ball: Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza. 2. Will Gohan kill Black Frieza???? 3. Gohan Beast Must kill Black Frieza. 4. Gohan Beast vs. Black Frieza 5. Gohan Beast is the Strongest Z Fighter 6. How can Gohan Kill Frieza. 7. Why Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza Needs To Happen.
There is a small chance he will be the one to kill Freiza, he should of done it in ROF and the fact that he didn't still shocks me how dirty they did Vegeta.
Do you think Frieza's revival would have worker better had it happened 3 years after Cell arc instead? It could correlate with Krillin's wedding and Trunks returning to tell everyone he killed Cell. Frieza's power up would be more believable and Vegeta would have a better chance to kill him. Also it would make more sense since only a few years would have passed since Frieza's death.
@@QaamansLand I think the final fight with Black Freeza is going to be full of call backs to the Namek saga with a bunch of fighters taking turns. And like the Namek saga the power gap will seem insurmountable. I see lots of comments on how it’s not possible for any of the Z fighters to take on Freeza alone and that he is fusion level etc. If we look at the power gap in the Namek saga he was also fusion level threat for the protagonists at that time too, yet the plot managed somewhat logical power ups in a very short time. The same will occur in the fight against Black Freeza and although it will upset some people, Goku is probably going to defeat him with the final version of UI. But instead of allowing him to live Vegeta will implore Goku to let him erase the threat from existence and I don’t think Goku will argue.
@@QaamansLand it’s also important to remember that Goku is by far the most popular character in Japan. Vegeta has a bigger fan base in the west. The writers are more likely to cater to Japanese fans and give Goku the ‘win’.
As much as I want vegeta to get his revenge over Frieza, it seems too unrealistic given Toriyama's writing habits so I'm leaning towards a real team up instead of a forced one. Maybe a redemption arc for Frieza 😂
@@QaamansLand he doesn't care much for Vegeta and I heard he doesn't want to give anyone other than Goku too much MC vibes. He has kept the whole Goku turning villains into allies thing going with universe 6, Granolah, and Broly. So I can see Frieza being an antihero asking for their help in exchange for amnesty between them.
@@QaamansLand Toriyama’s habit of literally never having Vegeta kill the main villain lol. He just has a fight with them and loses and gets saved by Goku or something else. People have been asking for Vegeta to kill a villain for the entirety of Super and it never happens
Redemption is the only interesting route for Frieza now. Anything else after all he's gone through would be a letdown. It would be like if Vegeta went bad again after Namek and got killed off by Krillin.
With the fusion theory, I believe its more likely to be Vegito. Frieza dosent know Vegito exists, and he likely does not know what the potato do. This stems from the theory that Frieza dosent know much about the Kais, and he dosent know shin and Beerus’ lives are linked, so its safe to assume he dosent know about elder Kai and basically the potara in general. He’s more likely to know about the Metamorans and their techniques as he’s a space emperor, they’re a race that live somewhere. With the attire Gogeta wore, Frieza would recognise and take a note of it. If Frieza didn’t know before he probably knows now. Also, putting Vegito back in the spotlight and having him regain his glory a just as he was in the Bus saga is fitting. A lot of people rag on the Potara and say its bad because of the duration, which was a characteristic of Metamoran fusion for GT but I do believe they retconned it for the Broly movie. It never made sense how a mortals fusion technique can provide better fusion conditions than earrings made for literal gods of the universe. I really hope they retcon that stupid statement for “the potara couldn’t handle Vegito’s power” if they ignored this it wouldn’t make sense. In addition, Vegito has been stated to be the perfect fighter, The perfect offence technique, ultra ego, with the perfect defence technique, ultra instinct, would be put to work. (Not saying it wouldn’t work for Gogeta)
Vegeta definitely deserves to be the one to finally put an end to Frieza permanently, especially since his ultra ego form utilizes destruction energy, which could theoretically allow Vegeta to completely destroy Frieza, body and soul.
I personally feel like Vegeta will finally get his chance. I also feel like with how Friezas being set up the arc has the most potential threat out of any super arc. I think Frieza should end up drawing pretty even with Beerus in strength possibly. In the end though I feel like Frieza should find out about the Kai’s and there connection to the gods. I think he should take out the supreme Kai and with this action he gets rid of beerus and whis. With that also cutting off contact with the other universes leaving universe 7 alone against the threat of Frieza. I’ll just be spit balling now. After this he could possibly trap Goku some how or take him out in maybe a parallel to namek. Maybe he could even trap goku with the mafuba. I had the thought of trapping goku in Friezas room of spirit and time, but then so much time would pass for goku in there. So that doesn’t seem like the best option. You could have the final battle between Vegeta and Frieza in there though possibly. I just feel like things are set up so well for Frieza to be the biggest threat and most intriguing arc in super. I feel like it should take place after the end of Z personally. So we truly won’t know how things could pan out. Who knows maybe Frieza can make a weird wish that is the reason why the end of Z doesn’t line up with how things are. That’s a big fan fictiony spit ball though. Let me know thoughts though on all I’ve put out there. Also just the final fight between Vegeta and Frieza both wielding purple godly forms just sounds amazing. Maybe Vegeta even pulling a learned move out on Frieza as a way to finish him. Idk I just can see such an epic conclusion to Friezas story and a epic Full turn around for Vegeta getting the kill and win he so deserves. Maybe even having Frieza get in his head about who he used to be. An epic full closing of the door on Vegetas old self. Just so much potential. Anyway I’ll leave it up to discussion.
@@QaamansLand well thats the thing, our cast arent the justice league , as long as its not a universe threat it wont bother them,sure if someones asks they might help but they dont PROACTIVE do these things ,they do things in a passive response
Keeping Frieza alive is kinda good thing because fans do wants to see what will happen if Cooler make an actual canon appearance and cell does indeed make a comeback they can start their own Dragon Ball spinoff that's called Dragon Ball Dark.
To be honest I don't think it will happen because you have to remember that every time vegeta is given the spotlight its only for a short time and even then he will be given to do the final below. We saw it in resresurrection f arc and in the granolah arc so in the end it's something toriyama likes to do to the fans which is going against our expectations.
QUINN you know a fight id love to see is Black Frieza vs the grand priest. I STILL cant help but think theres something sinester about the grand priest hes got that grin about him.
If there is anyone who deserves a win and a chance to redeem himself from his past horrors his Vegeta. Sure he was an arrogant person in the beginning. But he later became a better person, and learned from his mistakes in order to be a better fighter
Not just kill Frieza, end him. No more come backs, no cameos in Hell, no nothing. Vegeta deserves to end Frieza for good, it would be the perfect way to end things between them.
Alright I'm making a different take on this. Those who seek revenge must dig two graves. This was already shown in RoF, and no matter how much it may be the writers' fault, it was Vegeta's incompetence that allowed Frieza to destroy Earth, which killed his son. Even though Whis turned back time, Vegeta's revenge for Frieza had dire consequences. I will bring up a non-spoiler point from Chainsaw Man, where the character Aki Hayakawa is hellbent on revenge for the Gun Devil, and in his dark path, he ends up taking down many of his close ones. Vegeta is going down that path too. Dragon Ball 100% isn't going into the series with this mindset, but it's still an interesting take on this topic nonetheless. In my opinion, Vegeta has to give up his revenge for Frieza because he will take down many of his loved ones in his quest for vengeance, which is what you said in the video about Vegeta putting others before himself.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 He does still want to beat Frieza in a one-on-one fight nonetheless. And that will have consequences one day. It already did in RoF.
Believe it or not I actually can see Vegeta erasing Frieza this time around. Considering Frieza is such a character that keeps coming back, for a while I always thought beerus would be the one too erase Frieza. Now however, since Vegeta knows Hakai it now feels more fitting. Also on a side note why does #7-3 feel like an incomplete character art wise? Something tells me this may play a part in the future.
Nah I believe Gohan should beat Frieza because of how he was embarrassed in resurrection of f arc. If not that then a fusion of broly and gohan should be the one to beat him.
Sometimes I think Toryiama looks at the privilege rich people and royalty have in real life and says " fuck that, this isn't reality, this is my world bitch. I'm not mad at that
I’d like to see dragon ball super take on an approach that makes Janemba canon and maybe even a universe 6 Version of Dabura and Zamasu that team up with power so great that the saiyans / twin universe civilization needs help from universe 7 warriors vegeta and goku helps the saiyan king of their world defeat the demons and tap into their untapped saiyan potential. Orange Piccolo and beast Gohan defeat Janemba on the alternate Namek ? I’d like to see demons return since we have destruction gods and angel priests. The balancing of good and evil should play a factor even tho it seems to not be this way.
@@QaamansLand they think that having the dragonballs stick around longer is worth more to their cause than giving piccolo a powerup. such as teleporting androids to the other side of the universe.
Sadly….probably true. Would be nice to have him kill Freeza, but at the time he does he’d tell ‘em that he doesn’t even care about it anymore, then kill ‘em with no emotion. ~_~
Toei is not killing off a Favorite character, especially in Japan, that makes money. Hes here to stay folks like every other character that Goku encounters :P
@Qaaman Honestly I really just want to blame the Staff and Writers for this especially the Writers like yeah Toriyama and Toyotaro both hate Vegeta with a passion but just because they want to make Vegeta a Joke when it comes to finally getting what he wants doesn't mean they should be treating him with such disrespect like can they even imagine being on the opposite end of the spectrum and their fave characters were being played up as a joke wanting only one thing but the joke is they'll never ever get it in their lifetime or even ours to that degree!?
He'd BETTER be able to kill him. I mean c'mon, they really had to steal the kill in Resurrection F? When I saw that in theaters, literally the whole room of people were like screaming about how stupid it was to let Goku finish it. But apparently Toriyama doesn't like Vegeta very much and that's probably why. The dude sabotages his own series repeatedly lol
You know, thinking about it now, Vegeta should have been the one to fight Cell and Frieza in the Super 17 arc instead of Goku. I think they should have went to earth to kill everyone and leave Goku stuck, while going and killing everyone. Then we could have had a great instance of Vegeta getting to show off just how much he's surpassed Cell and Frieza. But yeah, I think the entire fandom can agree Resurrection F really did Vegeta dirty, and it is an absolute unforgivable sin that they had to plot hax in order to give Goku a reason to steal the win.
No... For one there's no "mastering ultra ego" because its a pointless transformation and they'll never let Vegeta get the W against black Frieza because its gonna be Beast Gohan or a fusion that does
@@QaamansLandhow do you master a transformation that just makes you stronger from taking damage? Its just a cheap version of what Bergamo was capable of... and it doesn't even utilize or incorporate Hakai energy in any way... easily the worst transformation ever 💯
And everything is narratively pointing to a future matchup between beast Gohan and black Frieza... or possibly a fusion since Goku/Vegeta got one shotted
@@reptilian_geneticistyeah i agree if he gets damage and gets stronger than why he gets stronger against taking beating granola gas and one shot by black frieza to me he get ue because he always a punching bag in every arc
I guess Frieza is not a real threat anymore, at least to Earth and the z warriors, maybe Frieza really got over his revenge against Saiyans thing but I guess he will be attacking them to test his strength from time to time, if Frieza really wanted to take revenge on them he would've humiliated and killed both Goku and Vegeta right there on planet Cereal.
That's a good topic. I think him saying that Vegeta has to kill Frieza is a thing. In Resurrection f he ultimately failed in killing Frieza... Which his son and Goku ultimately did.. Goku doing it twice.. I agree Vegeta needs retribution and for him to hakai black Frieza will be the ultimate retribution
Frieza already got a taste of destruction energy and conquered it (though it was in a weakened state) Also Friezas goal is to take out Beerus, so I think Vegeta's going to learn destruction to late. Frieza will have already figured out how to avoid it somehow
By this point vegeta not killing freeza is a meme and the dragon ball staff knows this and will keep the meme forever making vegeta look like a fool whenever possible
If Vegeta masters hakai he'll do way more then kill Frieza. Both the technique Beerus used against Zamasu and the purple destruction energy the other G.O.D use erases your soul, no after life, no heaven, no hell just none existence. Zeno can do this on a multiverseal scale and only the super dragon ball can reverse it.
What if Black Frieza kills Beerus, Vegeta masters Ultra Ego and after he hakai's Frieza out of existence, Vegeta becomes the next god of destruction for universe 7. Maybe mastered ultra ego will look similar to Toppo's hakaishin form
@@QaamansLand knowing Goku ascending past his mastered ultra Instinct form or training with Whis on Beerus' planet to unlock a higher level after mastered ui if that's even possible
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Technically we all know it's not Vegeta's fault. These writers just keeps being simps for Goku and don't even pay attention to Vegeta and all the shit he's been through. Like the man has literally gone through so much to the point where he feels like he's always being left out and Toriyama just keeps making him a butt of the joke like he does Yamcha. Honestly I don't care what some people say I think Toriyama is a lousy writer
Vegeta's fued with Frieza was over after Goku defeated him on Namek. Goku defeating Frieza on Namek wasn't just "Goku getting a win" it was attonement not just for Vegeta but for all the saiyans who suffered from him. Vegeta killing frieza now is simply about Vegeta getting a win. And even with that being said there's no way you have Frieza in super has gone through development stages in Super where he's 1. fought for revenge and lost 2. teamed up with the heroes and 3. came back without even wanting to kill them. That doesn't paint a picture of a character the series is planning to just write off due to some imaginary "get back" fans think Vegeta wants.
I mean.... Goku doesn't directly kill his enemies. So who else is powerful enough to KILL frieza??? I want the writing to improve dramatically in super, as well as an improvement in art direction
No, In my opinion. I believe they are going to treat him like the joker from Batman. He is better alive than dead. He has a connection to everything. Also, he came back so many times. If they ever going to make his brother cannon he has to be alive. Keeping him alive. You always have that mystery.
Vageta represents the everyday man, the creators of DB identify more with a gifted lucky lifestyle…wich is personified as Goku..they will never give Vageta the W because their subconscious bias won’t allow em to
Yeah you're right they will never give that man a win over Frieza, Cause no matter how much powerful vegeta is, he will always be frieza's bitch & Always will be a plot device for goku to get a dub, I mean Toriyama Let it known That he doesn't like & care about vegeta Like that, he only exists cuz of popularity & The fans won't stop bugging him about him,
Even though Frieza is most likely going to become a main villain for a future arc, I definitely don’t want Frieza to die this time since that already has happened and been done with already. I think something different should happen instead. Or if Frieza isn’t going to be a villain, then he could actually team up with the Z fighters to fight against a much more dangerous enemy that threatens the multiverse.
@@QaamansLandLike frieza just 1 shoting everyone before they even have a chance blowing up earth then going for beerus and winning becoming the god of destruction.
I don't think they are gonna kill Frieza this time instead they will embarrassed him and let him live because killing him is not necessarily making the story evolve. He died twice what's the point of killing him the 3rd time. I think Tori has plans for Frieza and the future of dragon ball by bringing some iconic villains to fight for the side of good while still performing their evil deeds
If goku will kill that mf again I swear I will lose it. This would be just beyond ridiculous. But I feel like it’s not gonna be either goku nor vegeta but … gogeta …. Or we might get epic trio of legendary saiyan warriors avenging their fathers. At the end of the day, frieza killed King Vegeta, Bardock and Paragus so it would make a sweet ending if you think about it. Just please stop making goku do all the job
SpongeBob has a much higher chance of getting his boating license than Vegeta ever getting the chance to destroy Frieza.
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@@QaamansLand Thank you. This is my first comment ever to get pinned. I'm so happy I could cry. Once again, thank you. 🙏
Vegeta getting clapped is how the writers deal with writer's block lol
"Okay...so...we've built up both Goku and Vegeta in the narrative over the arc, but how can we get them both to fight the main villain and still have Goku win in the climax...."
"cuck him."
Nah you earned that pin. 😭
@@LordZula Sorry Zula, your comment was great but this was just too creative haha
Not if Toriyama has anything to say about it.
Nani!!!!
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Oh man I hope not. 😭
Come on give the prince a break. He deserves this more than anyone, as the most developed character in the entire series
“God forbid that Vegeta ever kills a main villain, the earth will split in half and the sky will explode ending all of mankind 😱”
- Dragon Ball series writers
It's crazy how Frieza killed main villans before Vegeta did.
Who?
@@QaamansLand Elec and Gas.
@@QaamansLand the heaters?
@@QaamansLand Gas and Elec
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He should have got the victory in resurrection F, but I understand the point that they were trying to learn. I really hope he gets to do it in the future because he deserves it more than anyone else in the series.
I totally second this. Vegeta needs a win of his own desperately. Enough with the sidelines. Also Gohan as well needs to take care of a godly right hand man as well with no backup like he did not with Max cell. I wonder if Broly will be the pen Ultimate hero with his 2 new alien friends or end up a villain at the death of em or some spite.
Why Broly?
@@QaamansLand To see if he will be a team player. Or solo other villains on other planets. I also dream of a Broly- Gohan fusion.
@@stavrosanenoglou1274a gohan Broly fusion would be far more broken than Gogeta. Those two have way too much potential especially Broly.
How many times have we had these sorts of conversations? Vegeta ain’t got a chance
Explanation?
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Man your killing it with the comeback but sometimes I end up zoning out jamming to the final bout music
Is it too loud, too quiet or just right?
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I feel it would be incredibly powerful for Vegeta’s development as a character to completely body Frieza in his Master Ultra Ego form and have Frieza begging for his life. Then right at the moment we feel Vegeta will kill Frieza he spares him as a flex to remind him that no matter how powerful Frieza may get a saiyan will forever keep him in check
Nah I actually prefer Vegeta killing Frieza after everything. If Vegeta did what you said this completely back tracks what he warned goku about in dbs Broly. He’ll come back again and continue to threaten everyone. It needs to end. There’s no need to make the same mistake as Goku
@@gammafrost yeah HAKIAAA HIS ASS
Prediction: Beast Gohan holds a mild but comfortable position of superiority over Black Frieza, who busts out the old 'This isn't even my final form' line.
Frieza starts transforming as the battered and bruised Goku and Vegeta drag their asses off the ground and fuse just in time while Gohan helplessly tries to eliminate Frieza before that transflrmation can complete.
Perfectly paced to present the new marketing toy magnet Ultra Gogeta
What about Piccolo
@@QaamansLand He'd be on the ground too. He's Goku and Vegeta's equal for now and will hopefully maintain that parity...
But he's equally out of his league as they are individually against an adversary on that level.
What about Roshi?
@@QaamansLand peanut gallery commenting on the action from a distance lol
How could Broly possibly fit into this?
I know there is a 0% chance of this happening but, the z-fighters could have the cell juniors train in the hyperbolic time chamber to help defeat black frieza, in the manga the cell juniors are shown to be still alive and even good. They also have the combined potential of frieza, king cold, and gohan. They could grow strong super fast.
What do you mean by "good"? They were aggressively attacking Goten and Trunks
@@QaamansLand they stopped once they saw the MIR logos, they thought goten and trunks were intruders.
Edit: also 17 was the one who tamed them so they are on the side of good.
99% sure Gohan's not in the Cell Juniors. He was barely beyond a toddler during the Saiyan Saga and there were two far more mature and powerful Saiyans there to DNA sample.
@@priestesslucy I think gero probably would have noticed gohan’s spike in power when he hit raditz, gero was watching them with drones after all.
Remind me really quick of the chapter where they stopped attacking? I need to re-check for video purposes.
Thanks
Quick FYI: Vegeta doesn't automatically become king once his father dies, even if he is heir to the throne. The reason is because that's not how royalty works. There MUST be a coronation ceremony for him to dawn the title and crown. No coronation - no crown. Not that is really matters if he did become a king. A ruler of 8 people is more or less a band, and they wouldn't follow him anyway.
So if they all die then what?
@@QaamansLand He remains a Prince because he was given that title.
Bruh when you realize that Frieza killed a main villain of an arc before Vegeta did LMAO
Elec or Gas?
@@QaamansLand LMAO both
@@abel9888 Gas was already decaying lmao don’t really count aaaaaaaaand Elec being the “main villain” is debatable 💀😂
@@that0neni99a gas would have killed Goku and Vegeta most probably with out Frieza
@@that0neni99a and pretty sure everyone agrees that elec was the main villain since he was the one making the plot happen
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Here’s a cool follow up topic:
At the end of the last chapter, after Whis picks up Goku and Vegeta, Goku ask Whis if Frieza was the ultimate warrior the oracle fish warned them about. Whis states that he wasn’t sure, and that it could be someone else.
Considering that we now know Super Hero takes place after this arc, I’m wondering if Gohan Beast is the ultimate warrior the oracle fish suggested? Meaning the story might be headed to a Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza instead.
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@@QaamansLand Sure, I don’t mind.
1. The Future Of Dragon Ball: Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza.
2. Will Gohan kill Black Frieza????
3. Gohan Beast Must kill Black Frieza.
4. Gohan Beast vs. Black Frieza
5. Gohan Beast is the Strongest Z Fighter
6. How can Gohan Kill Frieza.
7. Why Gohan Beast vs Black Frieza Needs To Happen.
You know damn well Toriyama will never let that happen even though he most definitely deserves the chance 😂‼️
There is a small chance he will be the one to kill Freiza, he should of done it in ROF and the fact that he didn't still shocks me how dirty they did Vegeta.
Great video Qaaman. Vegeta definitely deserves to kill Frezia! Frezia is responsible for destroying Planet Vegeta and enslaving the Saiyan race.
What about all the planets and races Vegeta and Nappa obliterated? Do they deserve revenge as well?
Do you think Frieza's revival would have worker better had it happened 3 years after Cell arc instead? It could correlate with Krillin's wedding and Trunks returning to tell everyone he killed Cell. Frieza's power up would be more believable and Vegeta would have a better chance to kill him. Also it would make more sense since only a few years would have passed since Frieza's death.
The question is what about Gohan?
@@QaamansLand Well, we know Gohan wasn't training at the time. It would also be a good chance to see how Vegeta actually went SSJ2.
I don’t think Vegeta will beat Freeza outright in the final fight, but I do think he will be the one to kill him using hakai.
Reason?
@@QaamansLand I think the final fight with Black Freeza is going to be full of call backs to the Namek saga with a bunch of fighters taking turns. And like the Namek saga the power gap will seem insurmountable. I see lots of comments on how it’s not possible for any of the Z fighters to take on Freeza alone and that he is fusion level etc. If we look at the power gap in the Namek saga he was also fusion level threat for the protagonists at that time too, yet the plot managed somewhat logical power ups in a very short time.
The same will occur in the fight against Black Freeza and although it will upset some people, Goku is probably going to defeat him with the final version of UI. But instead of allowing him to live Vegeta will implore Goku to let him erase the threat from existence and I don’t think Goku will argue.
@@QaamansLand it’s also important to remember that Goku is by far the most popular character in Japan. Vegeta has a bigger fan base in the west. The writers are more likely to cater to Japanese fans and give Goku the ‘win’.
As much as I want vegeta to get his revenge over Frieza, it seems too unrealistic given Toriyama's writing habits so I'm leaning towards a real team up instead of a forced one. Maybe a redemption arc for Frieza 😂
Be more specifics. How does his habits stop this?
@@QaamansLand he doesn't care much for Vegeta and I heard he doesn't want to give anyone other than Goku too much MC vibes. He has kept the whole Goku turning villains into allies thing going with universe 6, Granolah, and Broly. So I can see Frieza being an antihero asking for their help in exchange for amnesty between them.
@@QaamansLand Toriyama’s habit of literally never having Vegeta kill the main villain lol. He just has a fight with them and loses and gets saved by Goku or something else. People have been asking for Vegeta to kill a villain for the entirety of Super and it never happens
I don't really believe Toriyama would let Vegeta kill Frieza
Redemption is the only interesting route for Frieza now. Anything else after all he's gone through would be a letdown. It would be like if Vegeta went bad again after Namek and got killed off by Krillin.
With the fusion theory, I believe its more likely to be Vegito. Frieza dosent know Vegito exists, and he likely does not know what the potato do. This stems from the theory that Frieza dosent know much about the Kais, and he dosent know shin and Beerus’ lives are linked, so its safe to assume he dosent know about elder Kai and basically the potara in general. He’s more likely to know about the Metamorans and their techniques as he’s a space emperor, they’re a race that live somewhere. With the attire Gogeta wore, Frieza would recognise and take a note of it. If Frieza didn’t know before he probably knows now.
Also, putting Vegito back in the spotlight and having him regain his glory a just as he was in the Bus saga is fitting. A lot of people rag on the Potara and say its bad because of the duration, which was a characteristic of Metamoran fusion for GT but I do believe they retconned it for the Broly movie. It never made sense how a mortals fusion technique can provide better fusion conditions than earrings made for literal gods of the universe. I really hope they retcon that stupid statement for “the potara couldn’t handle Vegito’s power” if they ignored this it wouldn’t make sense. In addition, Vegito has been stated to be the perfect fighter, The perfect offence technique, ultra ego, with the perfect defence technique, ultra instinct, would be put to work. (Not saying it wouldn’t work for Gogeta)
How would he not know when a bunch of people used them in the TOP?
Home for Infinite Losers, that name never fails to make me laugh 🤣
Vegeta definitely deserves to be the one to finally put an end to Frieza permanently, especially since his ultra ego form utilizes destruction energy, which could theoretically allow Vegeta to completely destroy Frieza, body and soul.
Thoughts on the title?
@@QaamansLand the title is alright. 👍
I personally feel like Vegeta will finally get his chance. I also feel like with how Friezas being set up the arc has the most potential threat out of any super arc. I think Frieza should end up drawing pretty even with Beerus in strength possibly. In the end though I feel like Frieza should find out about the Kai’s and there connection to the gods. I think he should take out the supreme Kai and with this action he gets rid of beerus and whis. With that also cutting off contact with the other universes leaving universe 7 alone against the threat of Frieza.
I’ll just be spit balling now. After this he could possibly trap Goku some how or take him out in maybe a parallel to namek. Maybe he could even trap goku with the mafuba. I had the thought of trapping goku in Friezas room of spirit and time, but then so much time would pass for goku in there. So that doesn’t seem like the best option. You could have the final battle between Vegeta and Frieza in there though possibly. I just feel like things are set up so well for Frieza to be the biggest threat and most intriguing arc in super. I feel like it should take place after the end of Z personally. So we truly won’t know how things could pan out. Who knows maybe Frieza can make a weird wish that is the reason why the end of Z doesn’t line up with how things are. That’s a big fan fictiony spit ball though. Let me know thoughts though on all I’ve put out there. Also just the final fight between Vegeta and Frieza both wielding purple godly forms just sounds amazing. Maybe Vegeta even pulling a learned move out on Frieza as a way to finish him. Idk I just can see such an epic conclusion to Friezas story and a epic Full turn around for Vegeta getting the kill and win he so deserves. Maybe even having Frieza get in his head about who he used to be. An epic full closing of the door on Vegetas old self. Just so much potential. Anyway I’ll leave it up to discussion.
To be honest the scenario with Freiza doing his own thing seeems the likely outcome
While our characters care less about the suffering he's causing?
@@QaamansLand well thats the thing, our cast arent the justice league , as long as its not a universe threat it wont bother them,sure if someones asks they might help but they dont PROACTIVE do these things ,they do things in a passive response
Keeping Frieza alive is kinda good thing because fans do wants to see what will happen if Cooler make an actual canon appearance and cell does indeed make a comeback they can start their own Dragon Ball spinoff that's called Dragon Ball Dark.
Dark?
Knowing the way they title new db media it's going to be called "DragonBall Super: Bad Guys"
To be honest I don't think it will happen because you have to remember that every time vegeta is given the spotlight its only for a short time and even then he will be given to do the final below. We saw it in resresurrection f arc and in the granolah arc so in the end it's something toriyama likes to do to the fans which is going against our expectations.
QUINN you know a fight id love to see is Black Frieza vs the grand priest. I STILL cant help but think theres something sinester about the grand priest hes got that grin about him.
Nah. Frieza will get washed
@@QaamansLand we don't know the full extent of black freezes power but even so it's a fair bet that grand priest is stronger
Did you check out the Vegito series by ARJ?
Refresh the link please. Been busy
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If there is anyone who deserves a win and a chance to redeem himself from his past horrors his Vegeta. Sure he was an arrogant person in the beginning. But he later became a better person, and learned from his mistakes in order to be a better fighter
Qaaman here today! 🤩
He should’ve had the clean W in RoF.
But W-HIS Gave the W to Goku.
Never gonna happen. Vegeta will ALWAYS get his ass kicked by the main antagonists.
You don't sound very optimistic
was that a HFIL reference 😂
Not just kill Frieza, end him.
No more come backs, no cameos in Hell, no nothing.
Vegeta deserves to end Frieza for good, it would be the perfect way to end things between them.
Alright I'm making a different take on this. Those who seek revenge must dig two graves. This was already shown in RoF, and no matter how much it may be the writers' fault, it was Vegeta's incompetence that allowed Frieza to destroy Earth, which killed his son. Even though Whis turned back time, Vegeta's revenge for Frieza had dire consequences.
I will bring up a non-spoiler point from Chainsaw Man, where the character Aki Hayakawa is hellbent on revenge for the Gun Devil, and in his dark path, he ends up taking down many of his close ones. Vegeta is going down that path too.
Dragon Ball 100% isn't going into the series with this mindset, but it's still an interesting take on this topic nonetheless. In my opinion, Vegeta has to give up his revenge for Frieza because he will take down many of his loved ones in his quest for vengeance, which is what you said in the video about Vegeta putting others before himself.
Vegeta never wanted revenge though lol. That's a myth the fans have hyped up for the past 30 years.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 He does still want to beat Frieza in a one-on-one fight nonetheless. And that will have consequences one day. It already did in RoF.
A 'self-inflicted' wound requires the person actually inflicts themselves with said wound other wise it isn't self-inflicted.
C'mon...are you being serious?
Believe it or not I actually can see Vegeta erasing Frieza this time around. Considering Frieza is such a character that keeps coming back, for a while I always thought beerus would be the one too erase Frieza. Now however, since Vegeta knows Hakai it now feels more fitting.
Also on a side note why does #7-3 feel like an incomplete character art wise? Something tells me this may play a part in the future.
At this point I'm happy to see Vegeta's character development
What I learned is that no matter how many times Vegeta screws up, we will always root for him (which is a bitter pill to swallow)
Nah I believe Gohan should beat Frieza because of how he was embarrassed in resurrection of f arc. If not that then a fusion of broly and gohan should be the one to beat him.
Beast kills him i am sure because he is after black frieza
Sometimes I think Toryiama looks at the privilege rich people and royalty have in real life and says " fuck that, this isn't reality, this is my world bitch. I'm not mad at that
I’d like to see dragon ball super take on an approach that makes Janemba canon and maybe even a universe 6 Version of Dabura and Zamasu that team up with power so great that the saiyans / twin universe civilization needs help from universe 7 warriors vegeta and goku helps the saiyan king of their world defeat the demons and tap into their untapped saiyan potential. Orange Piccolo and beast Gohan defeat Janemba on the alternate Namek ? I’d like to see demons return since we have destruction gods and angel priests. The balancing of good and evil should play a factor even tho it seems to not be this way.
Freiza cant die, hes now "Part of the crew"
Please do what if Kami never reunited with Piccolo. sounds like another negative outcome but i think there is ways out of this
Sure but give me the cause. What would cause then to not fuse?
@@QaamansLand they think that having the dragonballs stick around longer is worth more to their cause than giving piccolo a powerup. such as teleporting androids to the other side of the universe.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 the DB draw out piccolos potiental.
What about Beast Gohan defeating Frieza? Or are we going to see Broly, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and piccolo going after frieza?
Sadly….probably true.
Would be nice to have him kill Freeza, but at the time he does he’d tell ‘em that he doesn’t even care about it anymore, then kill ‘em with no emotion.
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We prolly would see Majin buu screentime again long before we see vegeta kill frieza
Toei is not killing off a Favorite character, especially in Japan, that makes money. Hes here to stay folks like every other character that Goku encounters :P
@Qaaman Honestly I really just want to blame the Staff and Writers for this especially the Writers like yeah Toriyama and Toyotaro both hate Vegeta with a passion but just because they want to make Vegeta a Joke when it comes to finally getting what he wants doesn't mean they should be treating him with such disrespect like can they even imagine being on the opposite end of the spectrum and their fave characters were being played up as a joke wanting only one thing but the joke is they'll never ever get it in their lifetime or even ours to that degree!?
He'd BETTER be able to kill him. I mean c'mon, they really had to steal the kill in Resurrection F? When I saw that in theaters, literally the whole room of people were like screaming about how stupid it was to let Goku finish it. But apparently Toriyama doesn't like Vegeta very much and that's probably why. The dude sabotages his own series repeatedly lol
You know, thinking about it now, Vegeta should have been the one to fight Cell and Frieza in the Super 17 arc instead of Goku. I think they should have went to earth to kill everyone and leave Goku stuck, while going and killing everyone. Then we could have had a great instance of Vegeta getting to show off just how much he's surpassed Cell and Frieza.
But yeah, I think the entire fandom can agree Resurrection F really did Vegeta dirty, and it is an absolute unforgivable sin that they had to plot hax in order to give Goku a reason to steal the win.
Goku: No.
No... For one there's no "mastering ultra ego" because its a pointless transformation and they'll never let Vegeta get the W against black Frieza because its gonna be Beast Gohan or a fusion that does
Why?
@@QaamansLandhow do you master a transformation that just makes you stronger from taking damage? Its just a cheap version of what Bergamo was capable of... and it doesn't even utilize or incorporate Hakai energy in any way... easily the worst transformation ever 💯
And everything is narratively pointing to a future matchup between beast Gohan and black Frieza... or possibly a fusion since Goku/Vegeta got one shotted
To be honest beast have so much chance to beat black according to me
@@reptilian_geneticistyeah i agree if he gets damage and gets stronger than why he gets stronger against taking beating granola gas and one shot by black frieza to me he get ue because he always a punching bag in every arc
I guess Frieza is not a real threat anymore, at least to Earth and the z warriors, maybe Frieza really got over his revenge against Saiyans thing but I guess he will be attacking them to test his strength from time to time, if Frieza really wanted to take revenge on them he would've humiliated and killed both Goku and Vegeta right there on planet Cereal.
Vegeta has done a TON in the series. Killing Frieza would cap off his Arc.....
That's a good topic. I think him saying that Vegeta has to kill Frieza is a thing. In Resurrection f he ultimately failed in killing Frieza... Which his son and Goku ultimately did.. Goku doing it twice.. I agree Vegeta needs retribution and for him to hakai black Frieza will be the ultimate retribution
"Once Frieza dies he ain't being revived again".
You go on believing that buddy... 🤣
You know that's not my comment right?
Futur trunks will kill Frieza again before Vegeta ever gets a chance
Lool
We said last time it not happening
Frieza already got a taste of destruction energy and conquered it (though it was in a weakened state)
Also Friezas goal is to take out Beerus, so I think Vegeta's going to learn destruction to late. Frieza will have already figured out how to avoid it somehow
You guys should know better by now. This is on you if you still expect vegeta to be given a w like this.
By this point vegeta not killing freeza is a meme and the dragon ball staff knows this and will keep the meme forever making vegeta look like a fool whenever possible
Nooo, He is my favorite🗿
Or that time Gogeta could have killed Frieza right on the spot..... but chose to let him go.
If Vegeta masters hakai he'll do way more then kill Frieza. Both the technique Beerus used against Zamasu and the purple destruction energy the other G.O.D use erases your soul, no after life, no heaven, no hell just none existence. Zeno can do this on a multiverseal scale and only the super dragon ball can reverse it.
i feel like the roles will be swapped like on namek so basically goku dies instead of vegeta and vegeta masters Ultra Ego
What if Black Frieza kills Beerus, Vegeta masters Ultra Ego and after he hakai's Frieza out of existence, Vegeta becomes the next god of destruction for universe 7. Maybe mastered ultra ego will look similar to Toppo's hakaishin form
What will Goku be doing during all this time
@@QaamansLand knowing Goku ascending past his mastered ultra Instinct form or training with Whis on Beerus' planet to unlock a higher level after mastered ui if that's even possible
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@@QaamansLand ok cool
@@QaamansLand just always wondered
You all know the rules; All Super Saiyan Babies will be beaten senseless by everybody else in the bar
Technically we all know it's not Vegeta's fault. These writers just keeps being simps for Goku and don't even pay attention to Vegeta and all the shit he's been through. Like the man has literally gone through so much to the point where he feels like he's always being left out and Toriyama just keeps making him a butt of the joke like he does Yamcha. Honestly I don't care what some people say I think Toriyama is a lousy writer
Not just kill.....Destroy!
Erase?
The way things are even Monaka have more chance of killing frieza. For some reason, the creator would never allow vegeta win
Vegeta's fued with Frieza was over after Goku defeated him on Namek. Goku defeating Frieza on Namek wasn't just "Goku getting a win" it was attonement not just for Vegeta but for all the saiyans who suffered from him. Vegeta killing frieza now is simply about Vegeta getting a win. And even with that being said there's no way you have Frieza in super has gone through development stages in Super where he's 1. fought for revenge and lost 2. teamed up with the heroes and 3. came back without even wanting to kill them. That doesn't paint a picture of a character the series is planning to just write off due to some imaginary "get back" fans think Vegeta wants.
I mean.... Goku doesn't directly kill his enemies. So who else is powerful enough to KILL frieza???
I want the writing to improve dramatically in super, as well as an improvement in art direction
No, In my opinion. I believe they are going to treat him like the joker from Batman. He is better alive than dead. He has a connection to everything. Also, he came back so many times. If they ever going to make his brother cannon he has to be alive.
Keeping him alive. You always have that mystery.
Gohan's going to go Golden (or maybe an even better color) Oozaru and kill Frieza.
Lol having to much fun huh?
Unless they fuse, basically break freeza in half, defuse and then vegeta kills freeza, it wont happen this time
It would only be true justice if Vegeta-sama erases Frieza forever!
Vageta represents the everyday man, the creators of DB identify more with a gifted lucky lifestyle…wich is personified as Goku..they will never give Vageta the W because their subconscious bias won’t allow em to
Freiza too much of an asset now in case there’s anther tournament of power
I see Vegeta fans are already back to huffing this copium
I'm not a Vegeta fanboy
Yeah you're right they will never give that man a win over Frieza, Cause no matter how much powerful vegeta is, he will always be frieza's bitch & Always will be a plot device for goku to get a dub, I mean Toriyama Let it known That he doesn't like & care about vegeta Like that, he only exists cuz of popularity & The fans won't stop bugging him about him,
The goku show 🤣🤣🤣
Here go again! It isn't happening!
Ultra Instinctual Ego Gogeta? Or Egotistical Instinct Gogeta
What about Vegito?
@@QaamansLand I'd use the same name scheme
Toriyama doesn’t like vegeta name a main villan that vegeta beat
no. moving on.
Thanks
I been said this!
If Vegeta kills Black Frieza that would be racist.
Explanation?
@@QaamansLand twas a joke but Vegeta isn't black.
Even though Frieza is most likely going to become a main villain for a future arc, I definitely don’t want Frieza to die this time since that already has happened and been done with already. I think something different should happen instead. Or if Frieza isn’t going to be a villain, then he could actually team up with the Z fighters to fight against a much more dangerous enemy that threatens the multiverse.
What if frieza doesn't die and db gets a sad ending
Example?
@@QaamansLandLike frieza just 1 shoting everyone before they even have a chance blowing up earth then going for beerus and winning becoming the god of destruction.
Just killing Freeza is too predictable....
I don't think they are gonna kill Frieza this time instead they will embarrassed him and let him live because killing him is not necessarily making the story evolve. He died twice what's the point of killing him the 3rd time. I think Tori has plans for Frieza and the future of dragon ball by bringing some iconic villains to fight for the side of good while still performing their evil deeds
But Frieza is an evil villain enslaving the Universe
@@QaamansLand enslaving is a strong word.
Frieza's more of a profiteer than a Tyrant as I recall.
He needs to get rid of freezer
What about Cooler?
But unfortunately they won’t make let vegeta be the one to do it
At least his son killed Frieza and he got to beat him down before Goku killed him
If goku will kill that mf again I swear I will lose it. This would be just beyond ridiculous. But I feel like it’s not gonna be either goku nor vegeta but … gogeta …. Or we might get epic trio of legendary saiyan warriors avenging their fathers. At the end of the day, frieza killed King Vegeta, Bardock and Paragus so it would make a sweet ending if you think about it. Just please stop making goku do all the job