This seems like exactly the same KVF design from a few years ago upgraded with disc. The prices at 33% higher for the SL6 which used to be $2499 for the rim brake and now costs $3299 for this new design with disc brakes. Trek seems to alternate between oval tubes and the aero tube shapes every few years. In addition, all their bikes have gotten heavier with disc brakes. The old Emonda SLR6 to my recollection was 14.75 lbs and was in the $6000 range. I don't think you can find anything that low weight anymore without paying $10k or more.
Good review. I have last years SLR and love it. Wish it had the threaded BB.I ordered mine before rim brakes went away and I love them. These have absolutely silly stiffness for pedaling and handling agility is the best. Compared to a Tarmac I rented in Maui that felt like a heavier handling but still fairly stiff. Thanks for going into the aero changes.
It does look like an old Madone. I have a 2012 Madone 5.2 lashed to my Kickr...and I have to say the frames look quite similar. Poor thing it just sits there bolted to the trainer while the new Domane gets to go outside.
That is exactly what I thought when I first saw it. I also have an old Madone, a 6.9 project one, and that also was a little bit aero, and very light, exactly like this new Emonda. Time for a new bike!
i would love to see and ride the old madone 7 series compared to the new emonda slr , i think they are very similar by the looks of things , maybe someone can make such a video
The SL6 is the price point at which you get carbon rims. Not that light though given the reputation of the emonda is it is featherweight. The size 56 is 17.71 lbs according to Trek. The SLR6 comes in at 16.0 lbs.
Any more opinion on the harshness of the ride? I run 28c tires at around 65-70 PSI on my zipp rims. I figure with this set up the Emonda frame would feel less harsh - fair?
Saurabh Kulkarni let‘s be real. The claims of bike makers are absurd very often (7 watts faster at 50k or 90 seconds faster up Taiwan KOM at 350W... so 4+ hours at 350Watts that is). Nevertheless, if you only ride at 150W, is an aero bike really for you? Is a high end bike really for you? Maybe the lowest hanging fruit here is getting stronger on the bike.
@@useForwardMax that's still disc-only and therefore pretty heavy now? Pretty ridiculous for Trek to release a 'KOM' bike which weight 6.7kgs where they had the same model a few years ago at 4.5kgs.
IF you have the money, and you like the hobby. Why not. Its like rich people taht cant drive buying ferraris. And to be honest, im a fat mediocre guy. 105kg. my max 15 min watt is 240W. I had a Trek domane SLR 6, ultegra DI2. Amazing bike and it was very fun =)
The new Emonda looks like an old Madone, because that is what it really is. Trek created this bike as an evolution of the old Madone which was a great bike except for its BB90, which had a slip fit bearing pressed directly into the frame. After some time the bearing seat wears down and causes creaks. Since there is no cup for the bearing, it is very difficult to get the bearing to stop moving. T47 in the new Emonda was designed to address this problem by a threaded BB, which allows for a bearing cup (which can be replaced) and different spindle sizes.
This Trek uses a seatmast, not a seatpost. I asked a Trek dealer here in Brazil if it's possible to change and they told me Trek has different seatmast lenghts. I think there's no aftermarket options.
You should get a 1000 FPS camera and take these new bikes over a section of cobbles or through a big pot hole to show frame flex in those situations. Gives a representation of how comfortable it is, but more importantly looks cool like PinkBikes Drop to flat with mountain bikes, haha.
I bought two!! Trek bike at the Flea market in Washington DC....Trek Madone 4.1 red BLACK and White.. One Hundred Fifty bucks.....and Trek Madone 5.1 grey and black for also the same price..I bought the bikes 5 years apart still have them I love the Trek Madone 5.1 clv carbon....it has the triple Crank.... To tackled any road I want🤗⁉️...........I might switch parts to make one super bike☀️😅⁉️
TCR all the way. You get a double sided powermeter on the pro models, and a lighter frame. Also for the average people 350w - 70kg rider. That's 5w/kg isn't really realistic imo.
Regarding Treks comments about 'developing' the new OCL800 or whatever carbon over two years (similar to Specialized's claim) ... is it not more likely that Torray have put the work in and Trek are just using Torray's latest?
Great colour, neat looking bike. Not sure about the claim of being their fastest "climbing" bike ever! Trek are making some cracking neat looking bikes though, thanks for the video happy peddling guys, stay safe all the best.
You know Trek are taking the piss out of thier customers when they wheel out a 2012 model, and slap disc breaks on it. Madone series 7 anyone?! Check it out!
Chris G while they may look similar, it also shows the advancements in tech since then. The frame is around 130g lighter, and fork + bar + stem add another 160g to the advantage of the new bike in addition. That is quite a bit of saving considering the new bike has fully integrated cabling, is more aerodynamic, and also Disc brake specific. It also goes to show, that the 2012 Madone Series 7 was a very good bike.
“Fastest climbing bike ever” I think anyone who has a clue about physics would say that’s just marketing hype based on the 8.2kg weight. The aero statistics I would say are highly questionable too.
Hey im getting the sl5 and am worried if 56 would fit me ....i am just about 6 feet tall ...trek says 58 will fit , but people have said trek sizing always shows a size bigger ...as only 56 size is available i have ordered that ....would it fit me? i am just maybe a centimetre below 6 feet or touching 6 feet tall
I'd say it's no longer a pure climbing bike and more of an all rounder. I'd be more interested in the time saved coming off the Alp rather than going up it as its inconsequential as you'll need to be elite or pro to hold 350 watts anyway.
"I'd say it's no longer a pure climbing bike and more of an all rounder." Indeed, that's what was said in the video - and sounds like how the Trek-Segafredo team will be using it as well.
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Very good project overall, but very disappointing the weight of OCLV500 frame, simply ridiculous that Trek has added almost 500g compared to the OCLV800 frame
@@andy_xtr3861 sure, next time you're going for a ride in a wind tunnel let me know. Also, I remember GCN did a video where they tested different gear (skinsuit, aero helmet, baggy clothes, etc) in a wind tunnel to figure out what was more aero. Iirc the difference between a bike from the 80s and a Pinarello F12 with deep section wheels was like 15W (this included the rider, who was in a more aero position on the Pinarello because it was his bike and had a more aggressive geometry/ position). So how much more aero do you think a new bike's going to be in comparison to last year's model? Its just marketing crap to sell you a new bike, which is fine, but it's kinda annoying how people actually believe it
@@mrnobodyplays147 i have a bike that is not a lightweight bike, has sram force and alloy wheels coming in at just under a kilo lighter than the emonda
Trek and other main brands only have a lifetime warranty for original purchaser if they really stood behind the bike it would have a lifetime warranty fullstop it would allow them to keep there value for longer.
@@roadcc I'm with you on riders and team variables may affect outcome, but as they claimed that the SLR is their fastest climbing bike ever, the user of the bikes (esp. sponsored teams) needs to be able to prove that the claim is somehow true through results. Otherwise it's just gonna be another marketing gimmick
If it is the "fastest climbing bike ever" does that mean it will be the bike that takes the Everesting record :-) I would say that the Cannondale...seems to have that "currently" oh wait...you mean it depends on the "engine" driving it up the hill...
Consumers would benefit mostly from lighter weight. So a heavier bike makes no sense, this is mostly marketing Mumbo Jumbo.... we won’t be riding at 40km/hr for an hour to enjoy the extra seconds of aero benefits.
Moan. 6.92kg bike is too heavy for a climbing bike. It’s a fat bike made for the team. My rim brake ‘17 Madone is a full pound lighter with pedals on. T47 is worth 0.25 lbs. ditch the disks.
Rubbish. They wanna make it aero and they slammed on the disc brakes???? Hahahahah Disc brakes really spoilt the look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad.
I have the 2019 model. Love it but I still have to pedal it.
This seems like exactly the same KVF design from a few years ago upgraded with disc. The prices at 33% higher for the SL6 which used to be $2499 for the rim brake and now costs $3299 for this new design with disc brakes. Trek seems to alternate between oval tubes and the aero tube shapes every few years. In addition, all their bikes have gotten heavier with disc brakes. The old Emonda SLR6 to my recollection was 14.75 lbs and was in the $6000 range. I don't think you can find anything that low weight anymore without paying $10k or more.
This presenter has taken a lot of time to remember the facts! No crib sheet in site! V impressive. I’m happy with my SL6 rim brake for now!
pity we didnt get any opinions about this bike 🤨
Reminds me a little of the Madone. I like the bikes with the more hidden cable look.
Looks very nice bike. Will still be going for 2021TCR pro 1. Similar price. Power meter, lighter, 42_wheels , tubeless. Also rim brake option.
VERY great break down of the new bike, thank you. Great Video.
my sl6 in size 52 with hunt 50/50 wheels and bottle cages 7.3kg without pedals.
and i love every gram of it :)
Prove it... Its not possible to come back from 8.6kg bike to 7.3kg with cages etc. only by changing to humts 5050.
Good review. I have last years SLR and love it. Wish it had the threaded BB.I ordered mine before rim brakes went away and I love them. These have absolutely silly stiffness for pedaling and handling agility is the best. Compared to a Tarmac I rented in Maui that felt like a heavier handling but still fairly stiff. Thanks for going into the aero changes.
So far in the past 3 months I have lost 23 pounds. And people are complaining about a 1/2 pound heavier bike??? I don’t get it.
That does look nearly exactly the same, bar fork/headset integration, as my 2014 Madone.
Yep looks like a 7 series madone with disc brakes. They really stuffed up the madone changing it so much imo.
You're totaly right!
It does look like an old Madone. I have a 2012 Madone 5.2 lashed to my Kickr...and I have to say the frames look quite similar. Poor thing it just sits there bolted to the trainer while the new Domane gets to go outside.
That is exactly what I thought when I first saw it. I also have an old Madone, a 6.9 project one, and that also was a little bit aero, and very light, exactly like this new Emonda. Time for a new bike!
I have a hybrid fx2 , but i think i will purchase that one as a kind of upgrade .
I’m so happy the seat stays aren’t dropped, those look so ugly a lot of the time
i would love to see and ride the old madone 7 series compared to the new emonda slr , i think they are very similar by the looks of things , maybe someone can make such a video
The SL6 is the price point at which you get carbon rims. Not that light though given the reputation of the emonda is it is featherweight. The size 56 is 17.71 lbs according to Trek. The SLR6 comes in at 16.0 lbs.
Really like the T47 BB.
I can't wait for the new Madone. Hopefully it gets the new 800 grade carbon with a t47 BB.
Any more opinion on the harshness of the ride? I run 28c tires at around 65-70 PSI on my zipp rims. I figure with this set up the Emonda frame would feel less harsh - fair?
Fastest ever if you can hold 350W for an hour. What about those of us doing 150W?
They are not allowed to ride this bike. 350w is required.
You loose advantage of 15sec LOL after spending $12,000.00
Saurabh Kulkarni let‘s be real. The claims of bike makers are absurd very often (7 watts faster at 50k or 90 seconds faster up Taiwan KOM at 350W... so 4+ hours at 350Watts that is). Nevertheless, if you only ride at 150W, is an aero bike really for you? Is a high end bike really for you? Maybe the lowest hanging fruit here is getting stronger on the bike.
@@useForwardMax that's still disc-only and therefore pretty heavy now? Pretty ridiculous for Trek to release a 'KOM' bike which weight 6.7kgs where they had the same model a few years ago at 4.5kgs.
IF you have the money, and you like the hobby. Why not.
Its like rich people taht cant drive buying ferraris.
And to be honest, im a fat mediocre guy. 105kg. my max 15 min watt is 240W. I had a Trek domane SLR 6, ultegra DI2. Amazing bike and it was very fun =)
The new Emonda looks like an old Madone, because that is what it really is. Trek created this bike as an evolution of the old Madone which was a great bike except for its BB90, which had a slip fit bearing pressed directly into the frame. After some time the bearing seat wears down and causes creaks. Since there is no cup for the bearing, it is very difficult to get the bearing to stop moving. T47 in the new Emonda was designed to address this problem by a threaded BB, which allows for a bearing cup (which can be replaced) and different spindle sizes.
what is the seatpot diameter?can change in the future?
This Trek uses a seatmast, not a seatpost. I asked a Trek dealer here in Brazil if it's possible to change and they told me Trek has different seatmast lenghts. I think there's no aftermarket options.
You should get a 1000 FPS camera and take these new bikes over a section of cobbles or through a big pot hole to show frame flex in those situations. Gives a representation of how comfortable it is, but more importantly looks cool like PinkBikes Drop to flat with mountain bikes, haha.
I bought two!! Trek bike at the Flea market in Washington DC....Trek Madone 4.1 red BLACK and White.. One Hundred Fifty bucks.....and Trek Madone 5.1 grey and black for also the same price..I bought the bikes 5 years apart still have them I love the Trek Madone 5.1 clv carbon....it has the triple Crank.... To tackled any road I want🤗⁉️...........I might switch parts to make one super bike☀️😅⁉️
one question ¡! is the 58 size ok for 1.85 cyclist? what is your choice?
Giant TCR Advanced Pro 1 2021 is lighter with the same focus on aero improvements. Which one you go for?
Ali Gooya I had a Giant tcr, awesome bike but not happy with the press fit BB. Kudos for Trek for implementing T47 bb
I’m going with giant tcr pro 0
TCR all the way. You get a double sided powermeter on the pro models, and a lighter frame. Also for the average people 350w - 70kg rider. That's 5w/kg isn't really realistic imo.
Regarding Treks comments about 'developing' the new OCL800 or whatever carbon over two years (similar to Specialized's claim) ... is it not more likely that Torray have put the work in and Trek are just using Torray's latest?
Great colour, neat looking bike. Not sure about the claim of being their fastest "climbing" bike ever! Trek are making some cracking neat looking bikes though, thanks for the video happy peddling guys, stay safe all the best.
Cmon man i thought you, the king of the classic bikes would be against the use of disks on the new emonda smh 🤦♂️
You know Trek are taking the piss out of thier customers when they wheel out a 2012 model, and slap disc breaks on it. Madone series 7 anyone?! Check it out!
Chris G while they may look similar, it also shows the advancements in tech since then. The frame is around 130g lighter, and fork + bar + stem add another 160g to the advantage of the new bike in addition. That is quite a bit of saving considering the new bike has fully integrated cabling, is more aerodynamic, and also Disc brake specific.
It also goes to show, that the 2012 Madone Series 7 was a very good bike.
“Fastest climbing bike ever” I think anyone who has a clue about physics would say that’s just marketing hype based on the 8.2kg weight. The aero statistics I would say are highly questionable too.
The true question is. Just purely racking up miles, emonda or domane?
Be kind to your ass and get a Domane.
Hey im getting the sl5 and am worried if 56 would fit me ....i am just about 6 feet tall ...trek says 58 will fit , but people have said trek sizing always shows a size bigger ...as only 56 size is available i have ordered that ....would it fit me? i am just maybe a centimetre below 6 feet or touching 6 feet tall
Yes size one down on these . The bars have 100mm reach in all sizes which is ridiculous
I'd say it's no longer a pure climbing bike and more of an all rounder. I'd be more interested in the time saved coming off the Alp rather than going up it as its inconsequential as you'll need to be elite or pro to hold 350 watts anyway.
"I'd say it's no longer a pure climbing bike and more of an all rounder." Indeed, that's what was said in the video - and sounds like how the Trek-Segafredo team will be using it as well.
Why don’t these reviews ever mention fitting size for the rider.
what is the widest tire size that will fit that bike
28mm
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Omg ! Its great with no cable, clean look would be famous in 2021
Very good project overall, but very disappointing the weight of OCLV500 frame, simply ridiculous that Trek has added almost 500g compared to the OCLV800 frame
Skip that big breakfast and pedal on.
@@Milliegs I’m sure you will learn that food is important if you want to pedal.
What is the weight of the bike?
Heavy roughly 9kg with pedals etc
Fast and good product
Good looking bike. I hate dropped seat stays. All the aero stuff is hype
Put a none areo bike in the wind tunnel and you'll see the difference, it's not hype
@@andy_xtr3861 sure, next time you're going for a ride in a wind tunnel let me know. Also, I remember GCN did a video where they tested different gear (skinsuit, aero helmet, baggy clothes, etc) in a wind tunnel to figure out what was more aero. Iirc the difference between a bike from the 80s and a Pinarello F12 with deep section wheels was like 15W (this included the rider, who was in a more aero position on the Pinarello because it was his bike and had a more aggressive geometry/ position). So how much more aero do you think a new bike's going to be in comparison to last year's model?
Its just marketing crap to sell you a new bike, which is fine, but it's kinda annoying how people actually believe it
Is there a rim brake version available?
Bruh 8.1 kilos isnt light...
@@mrnobodyplays147 yah but an ultegra one should still be pretty light
@@mrnobodyplays147 i have a bike that is not a lightweight bike, has sram force and alloy wheels coming in at just under a kilo lighter than the emonda
@MIFFZ what does ultegra have with the weight of a bike , you can instal it on a 15 kg bike
my next bike aero & light 😁👍🏾🚴🏾♂️
Not light as all unless u go all out for slx model, sl6 is heavy as fuk
It's not light. Get a giant or canyon 🤙🙌
Get a rim brake giant tcr if you want an actual lightweight bike lol
Trek and other main brands only have a lifetime warranty for original purchaser if they really stood behind the bike it would have a lifetime warranty fullstop it would allow them to keep there value for longer.
Nice bike Trek! Now try to win more trophies at grand tour climbs will ya?
Think that has more to do with the riders on the team than it does the bikes
@@roadcc I'm with you on riders and team variables may affect outcome, but as they claimed that the SLR is their fastest climbing bike ever, the user of the bikes (esp. sponsored teams) needs to be able to prove that the claim is somehow true through results. Otherwise it's just gonna be another marketing gimmick
Standard asian made frame? With standard parts bolted on. And some graphics.
I can't believe it's so heavy.
it is the disk brakes.
@@planetdog1641 it's not. Look at the tcr advance pro disc at the same price. Almost 700g lighter with far better components
If it is the "fastest climbing bike ever" does that mean it will be the bike that takes the Everesting record :-) I would say that the Cannondale...seems to have that "currently" oh wait...you mean it depends on the "engine" driving it up the hill...
No stand on this Dutch bike ? What a shame.
Enjoy your last moment brakings in the Alpe d'Huez descent under the rain !
Bought the new Emonda rides like a dead horse uphill going back to my giant tcr far superior ride for less money
thats one sexy bike
Consumers would benefit mostly from lighter weight. So a heavier bike makes no sense, this is mostly marketing Mumbo Jumbo.... we won’t be riding at 40km/hr for an hour to enjoy the extra seconds of aero benefits.
Heavy!!
not if you get the £9k gucci one 😁
@@roadcc Exactly. The bike industry is shit
did I hear... aerodynamics at slow speed. ???? ... do you know aerodynamics?
yes he is right. trek aimed emonda aero for climbing speeds not flat road speeds.
Too heavy at 8.2 kg!
A lightweight climbing bike that weighs above 8kg...
?
Lose a KG of bodyweight .. There you go you now carry 1kg less .
@@NoneOfYourusinesss I've already lost all I can without losing performance 😂
Fastest climbing bike ever will be a rim brake bike, you know that too don’t lie to get the pay check ;-)
still waiting for our 'pay check' for this one
Moan. 6.92kg bike is too heavy for a climbing bike. It’s a fat bike made for the team. My rim brake ‘17 Madone is a full pound lighter with pedals on. T47 is worth 0.25 lbs. ditch the disks.
I can't afford it.
Hmmm... Its good bike with borring video
Treks are overpriced.
Rubbish. They wanna make it aero and they slammed on the disc brakes???? Hahahahah
Disc brakes really spoilt the look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad.
How can you say disc brakes are a gimmick when their purpose is to stop the bike and they do a far better job than calipers? makes no sense.
Disc brakes are a gimmick? I'm not sure you even know what you're on about there
Yeah totally agree!...It's complete BS!...Heavy, ugly, over complicated and totally unnecessary!
omg these road disc bikes are fugly!
stop slamming your ring on the carbon
boring paint job
They do come in other colours, our review model happens to be the black version