From what I understand, they are releasing a V2 of this grinder later this month. Will have a better power supply, redesigned chute, and re-numbered adjustment mechanism.
It’s already out, i got one last week. Other changes besides what you mention are a separate power button (great) and the top burr carrier resting on springs.
That is pretty cool. If this gets a better second iteration I would probably buy it and put some cast lab sweets in it for my travel grinder. It is interesting how much innovation is coming out of the eastern countries for coffee.
Well this was an interesting grinder! Side Note: I believe there's a new PSU coming that will fix the slight stalling when grinding light roast espresso, but aside from that the grinder usually sorts itself out when using full speed!
It's a floating upper static burr, just like the "splendid" grinder behind you on our left side. Floating burrs are horrible because they dance and do a twerk session while grinding, delivering you a really nice ample non-uniform grind. Signing out, grindfather.
Version 2 has now been released with significant upgrades. New power supply, an actual power button, new spring alignment mechanism, new numbering on the collar, new declumping chute. Just ordered one.
64mm with RPM...plenty, but I like the disclaimer...Not that you can buy, lol. Timemore, Gevi, DF64g2, I am missing at least 3-5 others under $800. I have to thumbs up for the effort!! Well done, and respect to your positive hope and outlook on this waste of metal grinder, :-) Anything over $300-350 is ALL workflow smoothness.
In my opinion the best value 64mm flat burr grinder available right now is the Kopi Deva I have one and it is, an incredible grinder, the spec is, solid construction (stainless steel and wood), 64mm Mazzer burrs (you can upgrade to ssp burrs), adjustable rpm from around 100 up to 1500 rpm, the first 2 production runs are Kickstarter campaigns, but Kopi have announced after that they will go on general sale, not sure what the RRP will be, but the Kickstarter price is around $600-650 shipped, the only thing that seems to put people off is that it is reachable battery powered, but have not had any issues with this yet, and the bettery is easy to replace when needed, so it should last many years of grinding.
We must have had different versions then. I dropped that thing like a hot potato it was so bad. I think they made some bad design decisions that make the user experience poor.
@@danymeeuwissen5973 Yes I have and less than satisfied with the response. I have sold the grinder as I feel that it wasn't worth the money that I paid for it. It was like 450ish, I would have most likely understood the cost cutting that they did with some of the materials decisions. I think using a Versalab, Key, HG1, they all generally suffer from the same workflow problems due to grinder design, but Weber and Versalab have found ways to minimize it and therefore creating a better user experience. Kopi has not done that and the end result is a more fussy grinder that requires additional steps to get the coffee into the desired container.
@@brandonleong3543 agreed dosing into a portafilter is a no go, but I am okay with the current design of dosing cup and cup catcher, no different to the Niche in that respect (except the Kopi dosing cup is suspended from the grouns shoot). However the hopper or lack of could do with a redesign, but that is a small inconvenience for me, and worth it for the coffee it produces, which is very much to my taste and the grounds are fluffly and about fhe most consistent you can get for the price. I guess it does not do for us all to love the same products.
Think I'll stick with my regular LCU :'). Is there any particular reason why the Intro Mini (Zhang's 64 mm offering) wasn't included in the discussion? Is it hard to get or prohibitively expensive?
It is told that Zhang is already super busy fulfilling the 98mm Ultra orders, as he calibrate each unit himself before shipping. The ordering of Zhang’s grinder is like Kafatek and worse. You will definitely need to wait for months to get in the list and months if not a year afterwards for delivery.
@@tobiasbouma4071 Hope the grinder fits your expectations perfectly and worth the long wait. And thus as you’ve known, Zhang’s 64mm will be a questionable choice even it’s great.
The grind fineness/calibration rings being like that isn’t too different from the Niche, though admittedly the Niche does it… better than that. I want this for fun (well, coffee is always fun: you know what I mean), but not for $800. Version 2 will probably be pretty good. Thanks for the video, Brian.
Disappointed to see people prefer DF64 over this. Such a bias. While this grinder is not perfect by any means, it’s already better than the DF64 out of the box. I have both the DF and JT. DF has much more room to retain grounds, the clump guard keeps grounds from single dosing, the sealing of grinding chamber is poor, and yet people are willing to fix these by purchasing 3d printing parts that ends up US$100 dollars upward and go through all the hustle. The JT needs some fix too but similar to the Ultra, the design is clean. JT64’s motor is much capable. Stalling occurs only because the power supply it shipped with is under-spec. I brought a full 480W power brick and under normal grinding rpm, it grinds light roast beans for espresso with no problem. I use a Flair 58 and it’s known to require finer grounds than normal. Personally I’m looking forward to see the JT in full potential. I see the JT as a lego chassis for the 64mm burrs. If you love the Ultra but lacks the budget, the JT offers you almost all the Ultra has, minus the easy burr alignment mechanism, and the HUGE power supply and thick cable behind. The comment is really long but hopefully someone will read it though. Thanks if you read til here🫶🏽
Hi Mike. Like you I have both the DF64 and the Jt64 v2. However I am having trouble getting grind fine enough to be used with my flair 58. 8 points from burrs chirping and I m still getting 10sec shots wit almost no pressure. Wonder if its the alignment thsts out on the grinder
@@islubio Hi Thomas. I have JT64 v1 instead. At first I heard v2 should be a better design, but turns out the manufacturing tolerance actually gone down a bit! I feel disappointed indeed and the company claims they will release an updated design in coming months. For SSP MP burrs, it’s known to need really fine grounds to get the brew pressure up. I will suggest you check the alignment and shim the burrs. On the other hand, my experience with Flair 58 and the straight wall basket that comes with it echo with yours. Flair 58 happens to accept finer grounds than other machines out there.
@@mike216514 yup I would say the v2 have shirty alignment, at least from the way it sounds. I have tried it with both mp and italmil and I can't grind as fine as my DF64. Will remove the 4 spring and start shim.
Those rings so close together is problematic. Imagine me no quite awake I know I will end up moving the wrong ring. Luckily the LOUD grinding noise will wake me up.
It reminds me of the Mignon, IF they did a adjustment knob redesign as they desperately need. But, there are TOO many deal breakers for this to be a good choice. My super old Eureka/Mignon has no issues grinding from stop point, let alone having it on before adding beans...Never had a stall even with dense lighter than medium beans...and I like a slower oily pull....about 35-40sec
Yeah interesting but for a 1k plus import duties and VAT with no support it’s like a hard pass. It’s price point is around a Kopi Deva whenever that is released but I do think both have to many quirks, both look to be faff to change, clean and do basic maintenance on but at least this can use MP and Cast that is more then can be said about Kopi Deva. Personally I do think there to many design flaws in the below 2k range the new G-micron/df64p can only do espresso and is even worse to calibrate, the old G-Iota/df64 was a grinder for modding it had to many flaws and quirks to work as in stock.
Ok, but, if everything was working properly, what really make this grinder better than his "victim", the DF64? The power bank seems a 480W ( 24VDC/ 20 Amp.) , does the speed regulator it's a simple dimmer?
I mean it does not look like a good grinding experience at all. Stalling, bad design of adjustment ring and chute flicking to me would mean it would have to be significantly cheaper than df64 to feel worth it. Yes you have to mod df64 but even then I’d rather that experience than… that
Stalling occurs coz the power supply is under-spec and the way they use the grinder(super low rpm, MP burrs at espresso range). Flat burrs needs rpm to work well. The low rpm is also done by reducing power out of the motor(that’s what the knob on the side does), and thus no wonder it stalls.
@@mike216514 it stalled at full rpm also? Gives the outlook that motor is not powerful enough. And yes maybe because using burrs not designed for the grinder, but isn’t that a large appeal of 64mm flat burr grinders ie the ability to swap stock burrs for Ssp or others??
@@Goofygreyhoundgoober Short answer: it won't stall at ~30% "throttle" and onwards. And no it's SSP MP being the source of the problem, not the grinder. Long answer: I had my JT64 with full-spec power supply/brick for almost two weeks now. 5-10 espresso shots a day, never stalls under normal usage. The motor is actually plenty capable, claimed to be 360W, and my experience proofs that. The low rpm is achieved by drawing really low power from the supply, thus it of course lacks torque to grind the beans. Flat burrs in nature needs certain rpm to effectively spin out the grounds. Using a rpm that's too slow will make the mechanism fail. Also, the burr design of the SSP MP does NOT "bite in" beans aggressive enough. Thus, it works poorly in rpm that's already abnormally low. Once you dial up the power to 30% or more, I don't see a problem of stalling at all.
@@mike216514yep Zerno z1 grinder looks like it could be promising no variable rpm there but has a pre auger which can be beneficial. And there's the acaia orbit coming soon too.
@@BensCoffeeRants personally I don’t think variable rpm is necessary. I prefer JT64 because of its minimal space for retention and easy cleaning. The Z1 is a better version of the EK&Ode, but fundamentally the bean feeding “tunnel” will always have retention. This is the reason I sold my Ode. Btw I like their Gen 2 burrs. It’s price friendly and preform somewhere between SSP’s MP and HU, in terms of clarity vs body. But I guess Brian could have a much cleaner comment in this than I do
@@mike216514 Variable RPM is nice to have if you like experimenting or a want a little different profile with the same grinder / burrs. I never had an grinder with an auger type system that leads the beans into the grind chamber like that, but I'd think that would improve retention (if implemented properly) since it's being fed in to grind. The other benefit of that is that it takes gravity or the weight of beans on top out of the equation and you get an steady feed rate which should technically make grind size more consistent, whether or not that makes enough of a difference to be noticeable I don't know.
@@BensCoffeeRants That’s an interesting insight! Never thought of that. I guess your thought will work when the grinder is pair with burrs that cut beans very efficiently, or the “spiral“ mark on the auger has a very gentle slope. Because, from my experience with the Fellow Ode, sometimes the beans don’t get grind fast enough, some of the bits will bounce back to the “tunnel”. Anyway, any innovations in the grinder will eventually benefit us with more choice and overall better grinding experience!
Wow. There's some decent stuff out there from reputable manufacturers for the kind of money he paid. If it was $400 for the better burrs it might make sense, but not for what the owner paid. Some design improvement might make it worth another 100. But this is a little too adventurous for me.
That’s definitely not worth the price comparing with df64 when grinding espresso. The powder will be stuck and cannot go out. The first generation got this problem and it’s a huge mistake that you didn’t mention it.
The Ode really is underestimated when it comes to espresso. Yes, they say they won't warranty your grinder if you grind for espresso. But a lot of people have been using it for a long time without issue. My ex-GF pulls 8-10 shots a day for herself and roommates and has been doing that every day for over a year with very light coffee I roast for them. That's probably 10 years of load for your average person.
I would think you are better off buying a Sony lens for about $700 than this grinder. But I dislike my Sony cameras, so if they offered a RED lens collar, I might suggest you buy a Canon lens.
@@chrisdturner You may lose your warranty but actually people around the world have been using Ode+SSP to do espresso. RDT and bellow system will be recommended though. HU will be less stressful on the motor, while for MP I'd recommend to avoid "SEY light roast" beans. Other than that, I'd say you can try beans at all roast levels.
From what I understand, they are releasing a V2 of this grinder later this month. Will have a better power supply, redesigned chute, and re-numbered adjustment mechanism.
Wow if they can fix all 3 of these issues they will have a really compelling grinder!
It’s already out, i got one last week. Other changes besides what you mention are a separate power button (great) and the top burr carrier resting on springs.
@@cygmatic9064 Yes, I posted this two weeks ago and posted an update 9 days ago when the new one was released. Got mine on Monday!
@@EvanOz85 Nice, mine arrived last week here. Enjoy!
Where can the v2 version be found?
That is pretty cool. If this gets a better second iteration I would probably buy it and put some cast lab sweets in it for my travel grinder. It is interesting how much innovation is coming out of the eastern countries for coffee.
Well this was an interesting grinder!
Side Note: I believe there's a new PSU coming that will fix the slight stalling when grinding light roast espresso, but aside from that the grinder usually sorts itself out when using full speed!
Yes, New PSU was shiped to old user, I'll get it in few days.
It's a floating upper static burr, just like the "splendid" grinder behind you on our left side. Floating burrs are horrible because they dance and do a twerk session while grinding, delivering you a really nice ample non-uniform grind. Signing out, grindfather.
thank you as usual pHd Sabou 😎
Thanks brian! I was just half step away from pressing 'purchase' haha
Version 2 has now been released with significant upgrades. New power supply, an actual power button, new spring alignment mechanism, new numbering on the collar, new declumping chute. Just ordered one.
Link for the new version?
any updates on your use yet Evan?
64mm with RPM...plenty, but I like the disclaimer...Not that you can buy, lol. Timemore, Gevi, DF64g2, I am missing at least 3-5 others under $800. I have to thumbs up for the effort!! Well done, and respect to your positive hope and outlook on this waste of metal grinder, :-) Anything over $300-350 is ALL workflow smoothness.
Thank you! I’ll be eyeing this for some time!
That ultra mini - the triangular one. Do you have a link to that? Anyone tested it!
In my opinion the best value 64mm flat burr grinder available right now is the Kopi Deva I have one and it is, an incredible grinder, the spec is, solid construction (stainless steel and wood), 64mm Mazzer burrs (you can upgrade to ssp burrs), adjustable rpm from around 100 up to 1500 rpm, the first 2 production runs are Kickstarter campaigns, but Kopi have announced after that they will go on general sale, not sure what the RRP will be, but the Kickstarter price is around $600-650 shipped, the only thing that seems to put people off is that it is reachable battery powered, but have not had any issues with this yet, and the bettery is easy to replace when needed, so it should last many years of grinding.
I have a kopi too, so far it's been great!
We must have had different versions then. I dropped that thing like a hot potato it was so bad. I think they made some bad design decisions that make the user experience poor.
@@brandonleong3543 have you contacted them with your concerns?
@@danymeeuwissen5973 Yes I have and less than satisfied with the response. I have sold the grinder as I feel that it wasn't worth the money that I paid for it. It was like 450ish, I would have most likely understood the cost cutting that they did with some of the materials decisions. I think using a Versalab, Key, HG1, they all generally suffer from the same workflow problems due to grinder design, but Weber and Versalab have found ways to minimize it and therefore creating a better user experience. Kopi has not done that and the end result is a more fussy grinder that requires additional steps to get the coffee into the desired container.
@@brandonleong3543 agreed dosing into a portafilter is a no go, but I am okay with the current design of dosing cup and cup catcher, no different to the Niche in that respect (except the Kopi dosing cup is suspended from the grouns shoot). However the hopper or lack of could do with a redesign, but that is a small inconvenience for me, and worth it for the coffee it produces, which is very much to my taste and the grounds are fluffly and about fhe most consistent you can get for the price. I guess it does not do for us all to love the same products.
Think I'll stick with my regular LCU :').
Is there any particular reason why the Intro Mini (Zhang's 64 mm offering) wasn't included in the discussion? Is it hard to get or prohibitively expensive?
The only guy I know who ordered one hasn't gotten it yet, so it's not super available in the USA just yet
It is told that Zhang is already super busy fulfilling the 98mm Ultra orders, as he calibrate each unit himself before shipping. The ordering of Zhang’s grinder is like Kafatek and worse. You will definitely need to wait for months to get in the list and months if not a year afterwards for delivery.
@@mike216514 Yes I can confirm. I waited 18 months to get my LCU. 'T was a rocky buying experience ...
@@tobiasbouma4071 Hope the grinder fits your expectations perfectly and worth the long wait. And thus as you’ve known, Zhang’s 64mm will be a questionable choice even it’s great.
So, it is dc motor?
The grind fineness/calibration rings being like that isn’t too different from the Niche, though admittedly the Niche does it… better than that.
I want this for fun (well, coffee is always fun: you know what I mean), but not for $800.
Version 2 will probably be pretty good.
Thanks for the video, Brian.
I didn’t realize it was that much. For that price I want perfection. Not a testing model with too many glitches.
Disappointed to see people prefer DF64 over this. Such a bias. While this grinder is not perfect by any means, it’s already better than the DF64 out of the box. I have both the DF and JT. DF has much more room to retain grounds, the clump guard keeps grounds from single dosing, the sealing of grinding chamber is poor, and yet people are willing to fix these by purchasing 3d printing parts that ends up US$100 dollars upward and go through all the hustle.
The JT needs some fix too but similar to the Ultra, the design is clean. JT64’s motor is much capable. Stalling occurs only because the power supply it shipped with is under-spec. I brought a full 480W power brick and under normal grinding rpm, it grinds light roast beans for espresso with no problem. I use a Flair 58 and it’s known to require finer grounds than normal.
Personally I’m looking forward to see the JT in full potential. I see the JT as a lego chassis for the 64mm burrs. If you love the Ultra but lacks the budget, the JT offers you almost all the Ultra has, minus the easy burr alignment mechanism, and the HUGE power supply and thick cable behind.
The comment is really long but hopefully someone will read it though. Thanks if you read til here🫶🏽
Hi Mike. Like you I have both the DF64 and the Jt64 v2. However I am having trouble getting grind fine enough to be used with my flair 58. 8 points from burrs chirping and I m still getting 10sec shots wit almost no pressure. Wonder if its the alignment thsts out on the grinder
@@islubio Hi Thomas. I have JT64 v1 instead. At first I heard v2 should be a better design, but turns out the manufacturing tolerance actually gone down a bit! I feel disappointed indeed and the company claims they will release an updated design in coming months.
For SSP MP burrs, it’s known to need really fine grounds to get the brew pressure up. I will suggest you check the alignment and shim the burrs. On the other hand, my experience with Flair 58 and the straight wall basket that comes with it echo with yours. Flair 58 happens to accept finer grounds than other machines out there.
@@mike216514 yup I would say the v2 have shirty alignment, at least from the way it sounds. I have tried it with both mp and italmil and I can't grind as fine as my DF64. Will remove the 4 spring and start shim.
Just did alignment. And wow. The alignment is truly shit. Hand to shim the top burrs by a whole lot. Both the top and bottom needed shims.
Those rings so close together is problematic.
Imagine me no quite awake I know I will end up moving the wrong ring. Luckily the LOUD grinding noise will wake me up.
It reminds me of the Mignon, IF they did a adjustment knob redesign as they desperately need. But, there are TOO many deal breakers for this to be a good choice. My super old Eureka/Mignon has no issues grinding from stop point, let alone having it on before adding beans...Never had a stall even with dense lighter than medium beans...and I like a slower oily pull....about 35-40sec
speaking of camera equipment, 25,000$ hasselblad imacon scanners also come with something akin to a laptop power brick lol
my jaw dropped when the Hasselblad came out
So, it is DC motor?
Yes, DC.
Yeah interesting but for a 1k plus import duties and VAT with no support it’s like a hard pass. It’s price point is around a Kopi Deva whenever that is released but I do think both have to many quirks, both look to be faff to change, clean and do basic maintenance on but at least this can use MP and Cast that is more then can be said about Kopi Deva. Personally I do think there to many design flaws in the below 2k range the new G-micron/df64p can only do espresso and is even worse to calibrate, the old G-Iota/df64 was a grinder for modding it had to many flaws and quirks to work as in stock.
Ok, but, if everything was working properly, what really make this grinder better than his "victim", the DF64? The power bank seems a 480W ( 24VDC/ 20 Amp.) , does the speed regulator it's a simple dimmer?
smaller, better build, quieter, less retention, variable RPM
ohh no . thats not laptop charger man , typically E-bike charger .
can u a review on gluons G64/J20 ?
Could you review the df64p? I wonder if the new df64 fixes a lot of the older problems?
Not planning to unless I randomly decide to buy one or someone loans me it
@@BrianQuan would you be interested in me purchasing one, having it sent to you and then you send it to me?
@@jonathanfong3033 Let's chat! Reach out to me on IG or email:
@thgbrian
brianquanyt@gmail.com
DF64 fix some of the problems. And a 2nd gen grinder is coming soon, currently named HB64.
Sipping some coffee collective beans while watching the new vid
I'm waiting for the Kieni to rest 😀
@@BrianQuan had the chance to try it last week it was pretty good
I mean it does not look like a good grinding experience at all. Stalling, bad design of adjustment ring and chute flicking to me would mean it would have to be significantly cheaper than df64 to feel worth it. Yes you have to mod df64 but even then I’d rather that experience than… that
Stalling occurs coz the power supply is under-spec and the way they use the grinder(super low rpm, MP burrs at espresso range). Flat burrs needs rpm to work well. The low rpm is also done by reducing power out of the motor(that’s what the knob on the side does), and thus no wonder it stalls.
@@mike216514 it stalled at full rpm also? Gives the outlook that motor is not powerful enough. And yes maybe because using burrs not designed for the grinder, but isn’t that a large appeal of 64mm flat burr grinders ie the ability to swap stock burrs for Ssp or others??
@@Goofygreyhoundgoober Short answer: it won't stall at ~30% "throttle" and onwards. And no it's SSP MP being the source of the problem, not the grinder.
Long answer: I had my JT64 with full-spec power supply/brick for almost two weeks now. 5-10 espresso shots a day, never stalls under normal usage.
The motor is actually plenty capable, claimed to be 360W, and my experience proofs that. The low rpm is achieved by drawing really low power from the supply, thus it of course lacks torque to grind the beans.
Flat burrs in nature needs certain rpm to effectively spin out the grounds. Using a rpm that's too slow will make the mechanism fail.
Also, the burr design of the SSP MP does NOT "bite in" beans aggressive enough. Thus, it works poorly in rpm that's already abnormally low.
Once you dial up the power to 30% or more, I don't see a problem of stalling at all.
Yeah exactly
There's a new variation of DF64 that has RPM Control now (or coming soon).
Yes, it’s been a party at the 64mm range for the past 2 years, and it’ll likely be fascinating to see new models coming in the future
@@mike216514yep Zerno z1 grinder looks like it could be promising no variable rpm there but has a pre auger which can be beneficial. And there's the acaia orbit coming soon too.
@@BensCoffeeRants personally I don’t think variable rpm is necessary. I prefer JT64 because of its minimal space for retention and easy cleaning. The Z1 is a better version of the EK&Ode, but fundamentally the bean feeding “tunnel” will always have retention. This is the reason I sold my Ode. Btw I like their Gen 2 burrs. It’s price friendly and preform somewhere between SSP’s MP and HU, in terms of clarity vs body. But I guess Brian could have a much cleaner comment in this than I do
@@mike216514 Variable RPM is nice to have if you like experimenting or a want a little different profile with the same grinder / burrs.
I never had an grinder with an auger type system that leads the beans into the grind chamber like that, but I'd think that would improve retention (if implemented properly) since it's being fed in to grind. The other benefit of that is that it takes gravity or the weight of beans on top out of the equation and you get an steady feed rate which should technically make grind size more consistent, whether or not that makes enough of a difference to be noticeable I don't know.
@@BensCoffeeRants That’s an interesting insight! Never thought of that. I guess your thought will work when the grinder is pair with burrs that cut beans very efficiently, or the “spiral“ mark on the auger has a very gentle slope. Because, from my experience with the Fellow Ode, sometimes the beans don’t get grind fast enough, some of the bits will bounce back to the “tunnel”. Anyway, any innovations in the grinder will eventually benefit us with more choice and overall better grinding experience!
Wow. There's some decent stuff out there from reputable manufacturers for the kind of money he paid. If it was $400 for the better burrs it might make sense, but not for what the owner paid.
Some design improvement might make it worth another 100. But this is a little too adventurous for me.
That’s definitely not worth the price comparing with df64 when grinding espresso. The powder will be stuck and cannot go out. The first generation got this problem and it’s a huge mistake that you didn’t mention it.
I mean, $400 vs $700, I dunno if it's a fair comparison.
If you watch the video, it’s a very fair comparison
So brave. I wussed out and went for an ode onsale instead at half the price of the jt64. It was too much of a gamble.
The Ode really is underestimated when it comes to espresso. Yes, they say they won't warranty your grinder if you grind for espresso. But a lot of people have been using it for a long time without issue. My ex-GF pulls 8-10 shots a day for herself and roommates and has been doing that every day for over a year with very light coffee I roast for them. That's probably 10 years of load for your average person.
Sounds like a dentist’s drill 💀
I would think you are better off buying a Sony lens for about $700 than this grinder. But I dislike my Sony cameras, so if they offered a RED lens collar, I might suggest you buy a Canon lens.
power supply unit turned me off
For someone on also on the West Coast, you do post your videos at odd times 😆
Them 2am uploads 😅
Come on!!! Its a Sony! Orange ring bud!! LOL ;-)
Yeeeaahhh, naahhh. A bit of a dodgy option.
Just buy a Compak K3. Cheaper, not made in China, great grind quality.
Immediately less interested when I saw it was bought from Ali Express. Pity, would love an affordable grinder with SSP burrs
/Continues sipping from the DF64..
Fellow Ode would be your choice. Almost all grinders under Lagom P64 has some issue that lower your user experience.
@@mike216514 It would be a great choice but it's not well suited to espresso, which I also make daily.
@@chrisdturner You may lose your warranty but actually people around the world have been using Ode+SSP to do espresso. RDT and bellow system will be recommended though.
HU will be less stressful on the motor, while for MP I'd recommend to avoid "SEY light roast" beans. Other than that, I'd say you can try beans at all roast levels.
Stall, PASS