I built semi fuel trailers on an assembly line for several years. We phased out the pneumatic rivet guns with the. M12. It works absolutely fine and fits in close spaces.
The hanger on the M18 tool is for attaching a tool balancer in a production environment. The balancer takes the weight of the tool so the person using it doesn't get fatigued, or injured from lifting and holding the tool all day.
Considered this to avoid the shop air hose at work as it's a pain passing it under and onto flatbed trailers (semi trailers) but at 900$ it hardly justifies the cost of this over using the air guns.
if you need it than you need it. I would never consider the M18 Unit as an hobbist, because this is one of this tools your buddys always borrow and if you need it yourself its broken or borrowed out. But if you shooting line one or twice a week rivets than its worth the money
All about time and money. If a worker can do a typical job in one hour with what they have, then can cut down to 45 to even 30 minutes. The tool already pays for it self. People knock on battery tools, but for a recent instance all the oil drain pumps we have kept going out. I bought a battery powered transfer pump. Knocked out 5 jobs in 2 in and a half hours where normally they'd need a guy to hang out for 8 hours just to drain fluids. No need to move a compressor, park a compressor, sling hoses around. Go to dump the fluid don't need to rig up a hose and take up space in the shop. Just straight dump it from container to container.
Not that I'd expect it to be affordable, but Makita could totally release a badass 40V plus nut/riv nut gun. That platform should have plenty of power to pull SS nuts.
The M12 works fine for auto repair and restoration. Only thing is sometimes the leftovers don’t make it to the collector and you have to just dump them out the business end.
I use the M12 . It’s perfect for my applications with hanging race car bodies and interiors. The m18 is just way overkill and kinda bulky unless you’re sending some seriously huge rivets.
@@cdr110279 yes. It happily smashes out stainless or ali rivets with ease. The pull is not as fast as a pneumatic gun but its way more agile and versatile in use.
Anyone know if the m18 gun can accept the smaller nose pieces of the m12? I need it todo 5/32 (4.0mm) I do 1000a of them and the m12 had been great but looking for more speed
Lowkey wishing I went Milwaukee instead of dewalt (now that I have all dewalt batteries, chargers, dewalt compatible only things) because anytime dewalt doesn’t have the cordless version Milwaukee does (rivet gun, three different ratchets, an actual mobile storage system with any possible combination up to the consumer, etc…) love my dewalt stuff don’t get me wrong just wish they had the coverage that Milwaukee puts out.
For me personally i dont do rivets on an everyday basis but when i do i have to do a lot rivets and typically 1/4" but sometimes 3/16". That makes the m12 useless for me and the m18 is jus so damn expensive and makita riveter cost even more! So i found an astro rivet xl drill adapter to use with a normal drill. I spent $72 on Amazon a couple years ago and works great. Only jammed up once and it was easy to take apart and unjam and put back together. Draw backs are pretty long on a drill pretty much the same as a double handed manual riveter and no collection bottle as the stem comes back out the same hole you pull the rivet through. Length isnt a factor for my application but may be for someone else. Extremely happy with it and i highly recommend if length isnt an issue compared to $800 for m18
That's the situation I was in too with the impact wrench. I almost never need anything more powerful than my old pneumatic, however when I do, I need WAY more power. I eventually caved and just bought the M18 high torque. I'm glad I did, it removes everything or snaps it. I managed to break my nut splitter today accidentally which was disappointing but oh well
But once you buy the M18 you will never look back. You deserve it, you only got one you and only one life. If time is money it will pay for itself within a few battery charges. Drill adaptors are too slow too heavy and too big and they waste a good drill. Bet you cant use the Milwaukee without smiling, it is that good.
It’s cheaper than most every other cordless rivet gun on the market. I got the M12 particularly because it’s waaaaaaay less expensive than other models.
@@JeremyBrightenburg Oh, that Snap-On looks really nice and it covers 1/4”. I’m used to seeing cordless rivet guns top off at 3/16” and cost $1,300. Metabo was one of the first I saw as low as $600 and then Milwaukee came and launched the M12 one for under $200.
Wow what a price difference....! I have used a hand riveter in the 1/4" and it was tough to set the rivet...I have the M12 battery system and can't justify the price of the M18.
M18 could be great as i build and repair trailers daily but I can’t spend $1000 without taxes on just the tool no battery no charger nothing that’s absolutely insane
You’ve got to be kidding me on those prices…. I use rivets maybe once every five years. No way I could justify those costs when a manual riveter is $30….
it's almost as if these sorts of tools are for people who use them every single day, not once every five years. People who want to put in thousands of rivets a day don't have time to piss around with a crapass $30 hand riveter. Specialty tools cost money, this shouldn't surprise anybody.
Typical American mixing up your fractions using imperial, .8 of an inch stroke is 4/5ths not 1/8th. Could have just said 20mm and saved your own confusion. I have the 2550. Its a great bit of kit. Use it building spray booths so it gets to go a bit. It gets warm with continuous use but never complains. The only thing I don't like is its top heavy so it likes to lay down on the job. Up high in a scissor lift you have to lay it on its side or it will try to jump out. Also the carry case is cheap and nasty. Its sharp enough to cut you. Has a curved top so it will not stack nicely, it is oversized and you cannot stand on it. Everything else I have is Dewalt but they don't make a rivet gun because they are owned by Stanley who make top of the range rivet guns with recording for pressure sensors. counters. warning of bad rivets or fastenings. Traffic Light system. Out of my league. So come on Dewalt, Milwaukee are laughing in your face right now. You have the better boxes, better battery system. Just make your version of the 2660 and price it for the regular user.... or I am going to buy another Milwaukee :)
I built semi fuel trailers on an assembly line for several years. We phased out the pneumatic rivet guns with the. M12. It works absolutely fine and fits in close spaces.
So the m12 really work good on trailers? Bcz I just started a fleet job and have to patch holes
The hanger on the M18 tool is for attaching a tool balancer in a production environment. The balancer takes the weight of the tool so the person using it doesn't get fatigued, or injured from lifting and holding the tool all day.
Considered this to avoid the shop air hose at work as it's a pain passing it under and onto flatbed trailers (semi trailers) but at 900$ it hardly justifies the cost of this over using the air guns.
if you need it than you need it. I would never consider the M18 Unit as an hobbist, because this is one of this tools your buddys always borrow and if you need it yourself its broken or borrowed out.
But if you shooting line one or twice a week rivets than its worth the money
All about time and money. If a worker can do a typical job in one hour with what they have, then can cut down to 45 to even 30 minutes. The tool already pays for it self. People knock on battery tools, but for a recent instance all the oil drain pumps we have kept going out. I bought a battery powered transfer pump. Knocked out 5 jobs in 2 in and a half hours where normally they'd need a guy to hang out for 8 hours just to drain fluids. No need to move a compressor, park a compressor, sling hoses around. Go to dump the fluid don't need to rig up a hose and take up space in the shop. Just straight dump it from container to container.
Go big or go home....Imagine Rosie the Riveter armed with the Milwaukee, WWII would have ended a year earlier
the M12 version is perfect for Airstream trailer repairs with Olympic rivets and a rivet shaver :)
I have the M12 version. It suits me just fine. One thing to consider is access. The M12 will get into much tighter spots than the larger M18 version.
Yes, of course, but the M18 does things the M12 has no way of accomplishing. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviewsat more than double the price in some places, no surprises there 😂
Really nice rivet gun that's always giving easy way to get job done quickly and properly
Yes, Milwaukee a riv nut gun next!?
Thatd be nice
Mandrels constantly get stuck. I sent it off to get repaired. Same thing happened after about 10 rivets. Back using my $40 lobster hand riveter.
You need to rock the gun backwards so the stems fall back in to the canister
Not that I'd expect it to be affordable, but Makita could totally release a badass 40V plus nut/riv nut gun. That platform should have plenty of power to pull SS nuts.
They have the power, but iv used pneumatic 1/2 and 3/8 riv nut guns extensively and I dont see how a battery unit will be as quick
Wish Makita would release one for 40v already.
Completely skips over the fact that it did not go into that little collector
The M12 works fine for auto repair and restoration. Only thing is sometimes the leftovers don’t make it to the collector and you have to just dump them out the business end.
I got m12 fuel.
No problems whatsoever.
Absolutely enough for 95% jobs
I use the M12 . It’s perfect for my applications with hanging race car bodies and interiors. The m18 is just way overkill and kinda bulky unless you’re sending some seriously huge rivets.
Own the M12. It probably puts over 1000 rivets a week without issue for me and its a year old now. Never skipped a beat.
Do you use it for stainless steel rivets? What size if so? Thanks.
@@cdr110279 yes. It happily smashes out stainless or ali rivets with ease. The pull is not as fast as a pneumatic gun but its way more agile and versatile in use.
I have been thinking about the m12 but not sure what it could do, thank you for the great info!! It will be great for what I do!!
I noticed you have a skil brand leaf blower hanging in the back is it better than MILWAUKEE?
Good stuff man i gotta say this episode was very educational i learned i need this tool need i say its just riviting watching your vids keep em coming
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Anyone know if the m18 gun can accept the smaller nose pieces of the m12? I need it todo 5/32 (4.0mm) I do 1000a of them and the m12 had been great but looking for more speed
Lowkey wishing I went Milwaukee instead of dewalt (now that I have all dewalt batteries, chargers, dewalt compatible only things) because anytime dewalt doesn’t have the cordless version Milwaukee does (rivet gun, three different ratchets, an actual mobile storage system with any possible combination up to the consumer, etc…) love my dewalt stuff don’t get me wrong just wish they had the coverage that Milwaukee puts out.
Can i use tips from 12v on to the 18v gun?
M18 offers a larger range of operation, imo. Huge price increase but justified if it could handle a manufacturing environment.
yup. And as someone who wants it for DIY work…the price of the M18 had me running away with my proverbial tail between my legs! 😅😂
Thanks for the video, great info.
Thanks for the nice information
Thanks for watching.
For me personally i dont do rivets on an everyday basis but when i do i have to do a lot rivets and typically 1/4" but sometimes 3/16". That makes the m12 useless for me and the m18 is jus so damn expensive and makita riveter cost even more! So i found an astro rivet xl drill adapter to use with a normal drill. I spent $72 on Amazon a couple years ago and works great. Only jammed up once and it was easy to take apart and unjam and put back together. Draw backs are pretty long on a drill pretty much the same as a double handed manual riveter and no collection bottle as the stem comes back out the same hole you pull the rivet through. Length isnt a factor for my application but may be for someone else. Extremely happy with it and i highly recommend if length isnt an issue compared to $800 for m18
That's the situation I was in too with the impact wrench. I almost never need anything more powerful than my old pneumatic, however when I do, I need WAY more power. I eventually caved and just bought the M18 high torque. I'm glad I did, it removes everything or snaps it. I managed to break my nut splitter today accidentally which was disappointing but oh well
But once you buy the M18 you will never look back. You deserve it, you only got one you and only one life. If time is money it will pay for itself within a few battery charges. Drill adaptors are too slow too heavy and too big and they waste a good drill. Bet you cant use the Milwaukee without smiling, it is that good.
Try gesipa firebird pro
Let me guess, J Clips and rear main bow
@@justin456 endlocks for rolling steel overhead doors.
I’m curious can we still use the m12 on trailers?
$250 for the M12 and $999 for the M18. I think that helps me make my choice, lol.
It is a big leap, but for those that install hundreds and thousands of large rivets each day, they'll bite the bullet. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews That is very true! If I had that much need, I wouldn't hesitate in the investment.
I'm curious how this shapes up with a recent release from Snap-on. Do these do rivnuts or do I need a separate tool for it?
No, this doesn't do rivnuts. I would love to see them make a rivnut tool. Thanks for watching.
Does it work with Mm?
Can you get a threaded rivet attachment?
I have the small one . Milwaukee over priced the m18 not sure what there thinking ?
It’s cheaper than most every other cordless rivet gun on the market. I got the M12 particularly because it’s waaaaaaay less expensive than other models.
@@robertrada4783 the snapon is the same price as the Milwaukee
@@JeremyBrightenburg Oh, that Snap-On looks really nice and it covers 1/4”. I’m used to seeing cordless rivet guns top off at 3/16” and cost $1,300. Metabo was one of the first I saw as low as $600 and then Milwaukee came and launched the M12 one for under $200.
Is there an adapter for these guns to use rivnuts
Holy crap, I made the mistake of looking at the price of the M18
Wow what a price difference....! I have used a hand riveter in the 1/4" and it was tough to set the rivet...I have the M12 battery system and can't justify the price of the M18.
Can you get a 1/4 inch retention head and use it on the m12?
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Totality
M18 could be great as i build and repair trailers daily but I can’t spend $1000 without taxes on just the tool no battery no charger nothing that’s absolutely insane
I have the m12 but the m18 is just over priced !
What about nutserts and rivnuts?
Not yet, but I'm hoping we get that very soon. Metabo has a cordless nutsert gun. Thanks for watching.
LOVE tools. I want a mid size corded electric chain saw.
why ?
Great video, the only negative is the price!! Lol
Milwaukee needs to make a rivet nut gun
There’s an adapter for cordless drills and screw guns that lets you do that.
Really Like The M12 But It's Hard For Me To Buy Something Non Fuel
Nice!
very good
hey boss can you use m12 tips on m18 rivetgun bought the m18 rivet gun need 1/8
Did this work??
@@Rexkless213 there none interchangeable
I liked the video
nice.. but at that price... I prefer manual one
That's understood, it's definitely pricey. However, those that use them alot, they have great value. Thanks for watching and sharing.
" Today's show is riveting" the ultimate dad joke hahahaha
Maybe one day a Huck gun
M12 for site, m18 for shop. Seems fairly obvious why...
Milwaukee is always worth every penny.
You’ve got to be kidding me on those prices…. I use rivets maybe once every five years. No way I could justify those costs when a manual riveter is $30….
Same here, could not remember the last time i used a rivet gun. Maybe 8 years ago
it's almost as if these sorts of tools are for people who use them every single day, not once every five years. People who want to put in thousands of rivets a day don't have time to piss around with a crapass $30 hand riveter.
Specialty tools cost money, this shouldn't surprise anybody.
@@jaywelker5566 Good to see someone using their head in these comments lol.
This is tool if for everyday use me being a trailer mechanic I this tool is completely worth the price
Cuanto cuesta $ prise.$
M12 only for small jobs. In construction is real shit.
Typical American mixing up your fractions using imperial, .8 of an inch stroke is 4/5ths not 1/8th. Could have just said 20mm and saved your own confusion.
I have the 2550. Its a great bit of kit. Use it building spray booths so it gets to go a bit. It gets warm with continuous use but never complains. The only thing I don't like is its top heavy so it likes to lay down on the job. Up high in a scissor lift you have to lay it on its side or it will try to jump out. Also the carry case is cheap and nasty. Its sharp enough to cut you. Has a curved top so it will not stack nicely, it is oversized and you cannot stand on it.
Everything else I have is Dewalt but they don't make a rivet gun because they are owned by Stanley who make top of the range rivet guns with recording for pressure sensors. counters. warning of bad rivets or fastenings. Traffic Light system. Out of my league. So come on Dewalt, Milwaukee are laughing in your face right now. You have the better boxes, better battery system. Just make your version of the 2660 and price it for the regular user.... or I am going to buy another Milwaukee :)
The discarded pins are called mandrels and you should have known that before doing this video.
Yeah, that really made a difference for me.
no rivnut
Specialty tools rule...🧰