Great game to watch, I do enjoy these edited battle reports. Dammit Warlord, do an ECW Epic release! Those filthy rebels need to be defeated for the King!
Thanks for putting this game up guys. I have learned a lot on how army composition works for Pike & Shot, plus how the regiments work on the battlefield. I had in my head that the pikes and muskets acted as one, but now I see that a regiment is much more like a brigade in Black Powder and the elements can act independently. Suddenly makes 28mm ECW much more appealing as 40 guys is needed vs 72... I thought a BP brigade equivalent was 120 guys!
"And the award for most lopsided dice rolling goes to This game!" The fact Miller was able to claim Victory depsite the one sided dice was good to see. Great game..
Great game. Pike & Shotte is a great game. Love painting up these chaps, gradually. I live in Olly Cromwells' stomping ground, so guess which side i favour? Consider me subbed. If you had summoned Eddie, maybe the Royalists would have won 😀
Thanks so much for watching and the sub, I really appreciate it. I'm local to his home as well, I'm sure he'll be back for revenge, as soon as I can get Miller back on 😁
Great game and well earned victory by the good guys. Not seen the rules in action before, but looking very interesting. Normally in Black powder type rules you cannot rally while disordered, mat be worth checking.
Thanks Don, was a really close one. You're correct you cant rally disordered. Its one of those things that gets easily overlooked especially when your filming it haha
Martin you were kind to Millar, after his C-I-C failed his orders for the turn are finished, he should have done the other general first then the C-in-C last.
Normally when we play the odd tree's don't count as woods, they are just for making the table look nicer, I can't remember if that was the case here but we normally declare which are full woods and which are just odd bits and bobs
hang on a tick... am assembling many guns (and reviewing rules for them), and you guys state that there is no penalty for cannons, but isn;t there a -1 to hit penalty if firing past medium range?? Has that been FAQ'ed out?
No you arw correct, it means that most the time your cannons will hit on 6's as either they'll be at over 1/2 range or firing at an unclear target. The QRS in the back of the book doesn't include the range modifier for artillery which is why it was missed.
Great game, however a few observations on the rules: Infantry in battle line formation cannot turn to face; only cavalry and pike or other infantry in block formation can do so, so Miller's musketeers should not have been able to turn to face your cavalry (page 65). There is a -1 long range to hit modifier for artillery - see page 55. The artillery to hit modifiers were left off the Quick Reference Sheet. There are no automatic kills in Pike and Shotte (or Black Powder or Hail Caesar either) unless the target has a morale save of 0. Any unit with a morale save of 6+ or better always saves on a 6 regardless of modifiers (page 49).
Glad you liked it. Cheers for the points, normal kind of bits and bobs that get overlooked while filming it, like all my rulebooks i now have added post its on the front to remind me 😅 i completely didn't realise about the morale saves, cheers for that, i have made note for future games (of all 3 systems) 👍
Well, there was a initial Royalist advance which i was really suprised came off as well as it did but the lack of support eventually saw that fall apart 😅
It was a great game. I am not sure if a pike block even against cavalry gets bonus attacking? An attacking pike block is meat vs a defensive stance when they can set the pikes properly. Either warlord have bombed a rule but attacking pikes should not get bonuses in my opinion. It’s like Line vs square you can’t attack effectively with long pikes. The cavalry could ride around them exploit their clumsiness. Just my opinion. Loved the terrain.
The pike block only got a charge bonus because the cavalry chose to stand rather than evading or counter-charging. I would have counter-charged, because infantry who charge cavalry are automatically disordered if the cavalry counter-charge. The pikes would then have been disordered and lost their charge bonus as well as suffering a -1 to hit modifier for being disordered, while the cavalry would have received a +1 to hit modifier for counter-charging. The pike would roll 6 dice needing 5+ to hit, while the cavalry would roll 8 dice needing 3+ to hit.
@@7thson726 I get it but I still think the rule is a bit iffy because even if the cavalry stayed put they probably would be in the buildings scattered around all over the place and the pikemen have to charge in with 12 foot pikes over walls etc breaking cohesion. But I presume the bonus was from them charging and not getting a penalty for being pike against cavalry?
@@granapriego totally mate 👍 Yeah the bonus was a simply charge bonus. The pike vs cavarly bit is added in combat resolution afterwards. I forgot to add the fact i was in a building to that as well. But I think the result would have been much the same as no casualties were scored by either side 👍
There's nothing to stop you doing that. It all runs the same, you'd just have to square with your opponent the effectiveness of say the Landsknechts earlier cannons against the later ones 👍
@@MegaMusikMan yeah you could. I'm just saying that you may benefit from modifying things slightly to represent the fact that an ECW army is using firearms with 120 years of progress. But the rules are a sandbox to do what you want so I'd just do whatever works for you.
Just love these battle reports- a great evenings viewing. Better than Netflix!!
Really appreciate that, thank you 👍
Was a cracking game to play mate and been fun watching it back. Looking forward to our next game. 😁👍
Top stuff, can't wait for the next one 👍
God the idea of putting corpses in the field is so cool!
Haha glad you like it, i much prefer adding casualties than taking stuff off the table 🙂
Great game to watch, I do enjoy these edited battle reports. Dammit Warlord, do an ECW Epic release! Those filthy rebels need to be defeated for the King!
I have a feeling that would be on the cards for an Epic release. Gkad you liked it 👍
Thanks for putting this game up guys. I have learned a lot on how army composition works for Pike & Shot, plus how the regiments work on the battlefield. I had in my head that the pikes and muskets acted as one, but now I see that a regiment is much more like a brigade in Black Powder and the elements can act independently. Suddenly makes 28mm ECW much more appealing as 40 guys is needed vs 72... I thought a BP brigade equivalent was 120 guys!
You're welcome mate, we're really pleased you like it and found it helpful 👍
I'd love more ECW! I love the time period and there's so few good battle report for the pike and shotte period.
There is a ECW report coming in June (barring any disasters) 😁👍
I’ve been looking forward to seeing Pike and Shotte on the channel for so long. Great to see it.
Thanks very much, pleased to hear you liked it 👍
I prefer the TYW. But these are Pike & Shot and what is not to like about a terrific looking table. Great work!
Really appreciate that, thanks 😁👍
great looking game, love pike and shot era
Thanks very much 👍😁
Spectacular and awesome, such a beautiful game with gorgeous units!!👍👍😍😍😍
Really appreciate that mate, thanks so much 👍
"And the award for most lopsided dice rolling goes to This game!" The fact Miller was able to claim Victory depsite the one sided dice was good to see. Great game..
Haha the good guys always win 🤣👍
The Royalists will return 😅 glad you liked the game, we had a great time playing it
@@MillersMiniatures I dont see any Covenanters :) The true Good Guys
@@MattVarnish1103😱 there are not words in elvish , entish or any tongues of man for this treachery!
Awesome stuff, cant wait for more of these.
Cheers fella, glad you enjoyed it 👍😁
Great game. Pike & Shotte is a great game. Love painting up these chaps, gradually. I live in Olly Cromwells' stomping ground, so guess which side i favour? Consider me subbed. If you had summoned Eddie, maybe the Royalists would have won 😀
Thanks so much for watching and the sub, I really appreciate it. I'm local to his home as well, I'm sure he'll be back for revenge, as soon as I can get Miller back on 😁
So glad I found this. This seems to be the only play through of the game on TH-cam. Loved it.
Really pleased you enjoyed it 👍😁
Awesome - well worth the wait! Thanks guys
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Fantastic game 👍 swinging back forth looking forward to more pike and shotte battles in the future
Thanks buddy 👍😁
nice to see - we play BP shooting before movement -gives a different aspect to the game
Thats intresting, I'll have to give that a go, i can see that forcing some really intresting choices 👍
Nice one Gents, Many thanks!!! well worth the wait. More please 👍
Thanks Paul, got more planned, just need to get some dates in 👍
Loved this! Need more ECW! Immediately! Get on it! 😆😉
Haha message understood and relayed. We'll sort one as soon as we can 😁
What a great game. I like the battle reports. They are easy to follow and tell a good tale.
Appreciate that thanks 👍 hopefully won't be too long until the next
Great game and well earned victory by the good guys. Not seen the rules in action before, but looking very interesting. Normally in Black powder type rules you cannot rally while disordered, mat be worth checking.
Thanks Don, was a really close one. You're correct you cant rally disordered. Its one of those things that gets easily overlooked especially when your filming it haha
Cracking batrep Martin!!! Top top drawer
Cheers buddy glad you enjoyed it 👍
Brilliant looking game guys. Great to see the ECW out at last! Think you have cursed those dice though Martin!
Mate haha, every dice i touch is cursed. Glad you enjoyed it bud 👍
Definitely need more 17th century wargaming videos. Great game!
Definitely 👍😁
"The unit here is well... ENSCONSED" you bloody legend XD
I was searching for a word in my head and it was the first one 😅
@@7thson726 I think it was the little *tut* sound you made whilst thinking of the word. Proper got me good!
This is a fantastic battle report! Looking at getting into ECW Pike & Shotte, and there is plenty of inspiration here to convince me to get started.
Thanks very much, really glad to hear you enjoyed it 👍 its a great period to play
very enjoyable
Thank you 👍😁
Great battrep! Thanks for it. Love the table and the armies. Please do more P&S battrep, there are no much from this on yt!
We'll certainly be having more games, just got to get some dates in the book 😁
Great fight! Very close all the way through
Haha cheers fella, you'll habe to have a game when next your back 👍
What a great game and a joy to watch. Keep those battle reports coming. Looking forward to see more. 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it mate, just got to get Miller back for more 😁
Martin you were kind to Millar, after his C-I-C failed his orders for the turn are finished, he should have done the other general first then the C-in-C last.
You're very right haha well, he was a guest 😉
Excellent game!
Thanks very much 👍
It's not really my favourite period to wargame in. But I simply like watching how you play and present your games! Also well painted armies ;)
Really appreciate that, thanks 👍😁
Great game, very nice to watch.
Cheers 👍
Really enjoyable.
Thank you 👍
Great game, no disrespect to Dom on PCP, but finally a decent ECW Battle Rep!
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
at 8:27 how can you shoot at the cavalry? there behind a woods. page 45 of the rulebook shows that example clearly.
Normally when we play the odd tree's don't count as woods, they are just for making the table look nicer, I can't remember if that was the case here but we normally declare which are full woods and which are just odd bits and bobs
@@7thson726 ok that makes sense
Cracking game chaps
Cheers buddy 👍
Great game matey... You seemed to do lots of great movement and attacks and ended up loosing... Oh well😜👍👌😎
I thought i had it haha my rolls let me down at the critical moment 😅
Great game! I havet to ask - where did you get that gorgeous dice tray with the swedish coat of arms?
Thank you 👍 the tray is from the game By Fire and Sword by Wargamer 😁
Great looking game and fun to watch. However, can anyone tell me how 10 minus three equals 8? 1:00:15 😜
1:00:00 in fact. 😊
😅 i hate maths 👀 at least the result is the same either way haha really pleased you enjoyed it 😁
hang on a tick... am assembling many guns (and reviewing rules for them), and you guys state that there is no penalty for cannons, but isn;t there a -1 to hit penalty if firing past medium range?? Has that been FAQ'ed out?
No you arw correct, it means that most the time your cannons will hit on 6's as either they'll be at over 1/2 range or firing at an unclear target. The QRS in the back of the book doesn't include the range modifier for artillery which is why it was missed.
@@7thson726 a Warlord games rulebook is either badly laid out or the reference material is wrong? News at 11. ;)
@@MattVarnish1103 haha true 👍😅
Great game, however a few observations on the rules:
Infantry in battle line formation cannot turn to face; only cavalry and pike or other infantry in block formation can do so, so Miller's musketeers should not have been able to turn to face your cavalry (page 65).
There is a -1 long range to hit modifier for artillery - see page 55. The artillery to hit modifiers were left off the Quick Reference Sheet.
There are no automatic kills in Pike and Shotte (or Black Powder or Hail Caesar either) unless the target has a morale save of 0. Any unit with a morale save of 6+ or better always saves on a 6 regardless of modifiers (page 49).
Glad you liked it. Cheers for the points, normal kind of bits and bobs that get overlooked while filming it, like all my rulebooks i now have added post its on the front to remind me 😅 i completely didn't realise about the morale saves, cheers for that, i have made note for future games (of all 3 systems) 👍
No one advanced? That’s friction,.. it happens
Well, there was a initial Royalist advance which i was really suprised came off as well as it did but the lack of support eventually saw that fall apart 😅
It was a great game. I am not sure if a pike block even against cavalry gets bonus attacking? An attacking pike block is meat vs a defensive stance when they can set the pikes properly.
Either warlord have bombed a rule but attacking pikes should not get bonuses in my opinion. It’s like Line vs square you can’t attack effectively with long pikes. The cavalry could ride around them exploit their clumsiness. Just my opinion. Loved the terrain.
The pike block only got a charge bonus because the cavalry chose to stand rather than evading or counter-charging. I would have counter-charged, because infantry who charge cavalry are automatically disordered if the cavalry counter-charge. The pikes would then have been disordered and lost their charge bonus as well as suffering a -1 to hit modifier for being disordered, while the cavalry would have received a +1 to hit modifier for counter-charging. The pike would roll 6 dice needing 5+ to hit, while the cavalry would roll 8 dice needing 3+ to hit.
I was about to reply but Ian beat me to it 😁 i was trying to play the odds and keep the objective and bonus to my save. Next time however.... Haha
@@7thson726 I get it but I still think the rule is a bit iffy because even if the cavalry stayed put they probably would be in the buildings scattered around all over the place and the pikemen have to charge in with 12 foot pikes over walls etc breaking cohesion. But I presume the bonus was from them charging and not getting a penalty for being pike against cavalry?
@@granapriego totally mate 👍
Yeah the bonus was a simply charge bonus. The pike vs cavarly bit is added in combat resolution afterwards. I forgot to add the fact i was in a building to that as well. But I think the result would have been much the same as no casualties were scored by either side 👍
@@7thson726 I was trying to avoid mentioning that cavalry aren't allowed to enter buildings in the first place...
so can i play as Landsknechts (Italian Wars ) vs someone who plays Battalia ( English civil war) or are each army only allowed in each era ?
There's nothing to stop you doing that. It all runs the same, you'd just have to square with your opponent the effectiveness of say the Landsknechts earlier cannons against the later ones 👍
@@7thson726 so i cant just take the rules for the later one, and use that or convert the model ?
@@MegaMusikMan yeah you could. I'm just saying that you may benefit from modifying things slightly to represent the fact that an ECW army is using firearms with 120 years of progress. But the rules are a sandbox to do what you want so I'd just do whatever works for you.
I have a question how does random command work before moving a unit
Hi there, how do you mean? Do you mean how does the order system work with the commands and maybe not getting enough movement orders?
@@7thson726 go to page 35 on the rule book
@@7thson726 I mean random command orders on page 35 in the rule book
#its all millers fault
Indeed 😅